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ask for a birth date and gender as well. what sort of issue does this present to fliers and to the airlines implementing it? guest: for those people flying i think it will be great. right now the airlines do the matching. because they are careful to make sure no one who is a watch-list to get on without being checked they beingiey sweep in lots of e every day to be screened. by having the government keep a watch-list insight into the match in itself, that will eliminate all that extra scrutiny for those for whom there is no reason to get it. it will sharply reduce the numbers of those. guesthost: who is responsible fr

looking at the watch-list? when i buy a ticket how does it get looked at to match it? guest: the way that works today, t.s.a. sends out the watch-list to every airline in the u.s. that is confidential government information going all over the world. is its own security problem. the second piece is that the airlines on their own try to match the names on the watch- list to names of passengers. some do a good job. some do not. the problem is that someone might have a name that is a piece, a part of a name on the watch-list -- they get pulled out and questioned. they wonder why. the government will be able to

have the names on the list and because of these extra identifiers with gender and date of birth, you can get within over 99% accuracy, so you do not have people thinking they might be watched-listed. host: kip hawley is with us until the top of the hour to talk about secure plight and its implementation. -- secure flight. a recent article in the business section, the headlines -- address again the responsibility of the fire? when this secure flight is implemented a fire would have to put his or her full name including any kind jr, or ii, or

like that. but their driver's license might be different from their passport? how do fix that? guest: by having the gender and date of birth, and the name you use, associated with government i.d., they cannotzero in. they account for misspellings -- they can zero in. there will learn your nickname. my real name is edmund but i go by kip. i will have edman on my plane ticket. it is not a big deal. t.s.a. is not trying to mess you up, but they're trying to eliminate you from the watch- list. the system is designed to account for some of these variances that many people have inquiry without hassle. it is not meant to trip you up.

the more detailed morthe more ty can clear you. host: you have worked for the agency for four years and helped to develop this for the past couple of years. he said the role of the administrator is to stop attacks period. how much does this new system add? guest: it adds a great deal. one of the problems we are faced with is that the allied countries with our law enforcement, they are developing leads of terrorist plot and action -- the material is available to us, but if we have to send it around the world to all the airlines -- hey, these are the people the intelligence agencies are looking at -- that will leak out and disrupt. the ability to keep them

confidential means that whenever there is plotzinting around the world, we can quietly put them on the list and be sure there will not fly. today the system as in 2006 in the liquid bomb plot in the u.k., we have to wait until the last minute before some of that confidential information could even be distributed. you have more time to plan with this, less disruption for passengers. it will have a tremendous impact on the ability to stop attacks early. host: let's hear from callers. good morning on the metric democrats line. caller: please into the first question. you ask how this will affect passengers. how is the intermission getting

to t.s.a. we want to know what will happen in the future? guest: good question, eva. when you make your reservation with the airline or on as baseline or in-person, they ask your name. there will be fields to fill out for name, gender, birth. when those fields are available to you, that will be the difference. give them your full name, gender, date of birth. it should be seamless from there on. after that they will do the match. you will not be on the list. then they discard that data seven days afterward. none of it is kept for more than seven days unless you are a potential match. host: this does not ask any

extra step in line at the airport? guest: no, not all. this is after many people have had to go all over the place clarified. you can print your boarding passes at home or at the kiosk -- it will make a major difference inconvenience for passengers. host: the next call from our independent line. caller: ok, you have said you have to put your name, and gender, your full name as on your driver's license, right? well, lots of people are have been sex changes -- how would you do that with those people? that would be confusing for security.

guest: there is a category put under gender that indicates that. that is accommodated in host: the system kip hawley, what about different airlines, travel sites like orbits, or those that use different proprietary systems to book tickets. will there need to be more of a homogenous type of booking system online for all airlines or travel sites? guest: everyone has a feel for your name. there will just have to add gender and give birth and ask for the full name. it is not just the airlines making changes, but all the online folks like orbitz, and all the travel agents. it is a simple thing to change the form and add another field with this information. by getting everyone to do it -- that takes time.

there are four airlines today now able to do it. over the next year the rest and the secondary companies will have their systems line up. guest: which are the four airlines operating with it now? i do not know off the top of my head. they're not the major ones. these are 4-leaning, progressive airlines who are willing to step up. the major ones are more cautious. but i think once the others join in will be such a benefit to customers that the others will have to for competitive reasons. but it really needs the airlines to get behind it and make it a priority. it needs to be in place by 2010. host: to arkansas on our democrats won. caller: yes, this new policy you

are trying to put forward, what effect would have on the 9/11 bombers? guest: if there were on a no- fly, absolutely. you raise an important point, if you know somebody, have a suspect, know this person is involved with terrorist activity, then you have the name, then, yes, it will stop them. it will not stop the unknown terrorists. there are people out there unknown to the government. this particular system does not get there. but that is why you do it checked point screening and other things checking your belongings and identification. host: in jersey, on our independent line. good morning. caller: i am with you. my question is, could it 9/11

possibly happen if the cockpit's had been secured as the israelis had suggested to us? guest: well, the cockpits now are secured. that is a major step. also with federal air marshal's line on the flights, that is major. the air marshal's are critical piece suggested by the israelis, along with the secure cabin and many other things. host: we have lost kip hawley from california -- we have lost our satellite signal. we will try to get back and continue. kip hawley, are you still with us? guest: yes.

i was mentioning that the cockpit doors are strengthened. the federal air marshal system is operating. when you compare it to israeli security, those are two of the critical pieces of in-flight security in place today. the physical security on board is dramatically better than pre- 9/11. host: to our republican line in new york. caller: i have one common. ever since we have all this hassle at the airports i have just stopped flying. i am about to do the same about not going to canada because of all the security there. sorry, but iyou or fencing me in and taking away my freedoms. guest: one of the problems we have had is because we have previously had people show up at

checkpoint anonymously, it gives us the feeling that everyone is treated as terrorists. that is extremely unpopular . this will givet.s tsa the chance to change screening in focus on people who are high threats. it should make the security process smoother. host: the business travel news wrote last week about the house passage of the transportation security administration, the authorization, claiming the bill would return benefits to program the tsa has largely reduced to a front-of-the-line offering. they're called to reinstate an initial and continue a security threat assessment, the program known as "registered traveler."

tie this into the secure flight an issue. guest: secure flight gives the government information. everyone liked to get to the line faster. do a background check. let me through. the problem is we have that as a private sector operation and it really was up to what they wanted to make it. for their business model it was a front-of-the-line thing. there are many variations for those who have the black diamond lanes, they have a family lanes -- and when i travel, not just as a private citizen, the lines are not to me a big problem. there is a business model for the registered traveler books. in europe the tide in things like expedited parking right up

front and then move you all the way through. there is the opportunity there. that is great as an entrepreneurial opportunity, but not to be confused with the security program that secure flight is. just because you do not have a criminal record does not mean that you are not a terrorist. terrorists recruit such people. they are separate programs. you must make sure you do not cross that two. host: here is buffalo, new york on our democrats line. caller: hello. my question is, you said that in seven days of the intermission is deleted from your system, correct? guest: yes. caller: what about frequent fliers? does this policy get at par due

in activity on line? people have to be cautious about putting their information out on the web like that. guest: that is a good question. it is the reason it has taken so long to get this program up and running, to guarantee the privacy protection. in the first couple of years there were legitimate concerns about this in particular. the whole system has been re- written to ensure the privacy. the two best things are that it only takes a limited amount of data, your name, gender, date of birth. it gets rid of it seven days afterward. host: "the new york times" article says it will begin to kick in later this summer. could you pin that down for a more exact date? guest: no, it is a moving

target. it is up to airlines and travel agencies and everybody else to implement it. i understand the plan is to get a completely in place by the end of 2010. it gives the airlines and everyone time to do it right. time to re-program systems and all that. it is very important ones they switch over to the government that everything goes smoothly. get it done fast, but right. it is 2010. host: are you largely pleased it has gone through unchanged in the new administration tsa administration? guest: yes, this is not a policy issue that would change that i am aware of.

it is very basic. the government accountability office, and the gao participated all the way through. this is a very limited program due to giggling and i think there are no policy issues from the administration. host: let's hear from our independent line in texas. caller: i believe that the tsa is complete and effectual in protecting the flying public. there was a woman who brought her friends id card in trouble from pennsylvania to florida a couple of weeks ago. all of the yelling in the line does not protect me. i would like to see the officials pursue a kinder, gentler face to the public. i travel worldwide and this is

the only place i get screen that in the line when i am trying to get on my plane. guest: certainly the part about screaming while standing in line should not be the case. the entire work force at tsa has been trained on that. we have tried to find personnel who will protect getting onto the plane without acting like a hall monitor. i hope that as to travel more you will see the quieter, calmer, confidence tsa personal and less of the old. this program by allowing them to know who was coming to check point and those watch-list of will help them to be more flexible people like yourself. host: now that you travel as a

private citizen, what do you notice? guest: i think it work smoothly and of the lines are not bad. no one is in the mood to chat with the tsa as the go through although i do because i used to be there. the best part about the agency is that by efficiently moving the lines in having the data, they are able to sit back and look for the signs for things that might indicate attack, whether behavior, something on the body, something in the bag. the makes a less intrusive on the majority of us and allows them to pick up on the queues of someone who needs the extra attention. host: mexico, good morning. -- new mexico. caller: i have a question about

the marshals on the plant. i am a million miles plus travel and work for the department of defense. i am in the habit of observing people's behavior. i have not used on many occasions that the marshals pre-board. we have these healthy young men or women wearing hawaiian shirts or otherwise baggy clothes that board the plane in advance of all other passengers and they're not even handicapped. it is a clear indication. i have no idea if they want to keep a low profile why you see the gate agents letting them run ahead of time -- and in many flights from washington to other parts of the world i see these guys or gals were given this

special privilege. to anyone who is observant, i imagine someone who wanted to study the system carefully, and the observance person with bad ideas could spot one of these people easily because of that. guest: sure, that is a good question. the answer is, because there is more than one federal air marshal on the flight. sometimes it is good to have someone go on ahead of time and watch other people's reaction to that individual. but there may be the occasional person you can identify but others your not able to. i can tell you one time -- i flu someplace and i ended up sitting next to an air marshal. i didn't know until we were getting off the plan that this person was an air marshal. it was not a hawaiian shirt, just someone with form-fitting

clothes. you cannot tell. the other thing is, there are many other federal enforcement officers find you are not air marshals in sometimes they get to pre-board. if you are an fbi agent or secret service, they will give them a little special courtesy. you might see fbi and think it is air marshal, but it is not. host: this is yellow springs, ohio on our democrats on. caller: a couple of years ago i travelled to florida and was going to see my sick sister. as i went through security i was singled out. i was told to step aside. i did. but what was so humiliating about the experiences that

everyone was going by, looking at you, think you did something wrong. my only crime was that i bought a 1-way ticket because my husband was going to come later, at a later date to get me. my suggestion is, why couldn't you have somewhere where you can pull the person aside like a little screen area, rather than having the whole world looking at you thinking you did something wrong? until this day i still have that humiliation. i really do not understand why you must be got at for the whole world to think uh oh, what did she do? guest: i am sorry you had that experience. everycheck point does have a private screening area, so if that happens again you can ask to be screened privately. they have places out of sight of

public view. the dignity of the passenger is important. i think that tsa is making a bigger effort to get passengers back on it said. they know the most tree passengers with dignity and get them through quickly. -- back on its side. host: back to the secure flight program, in the paper, a spokesman for southwest said that it aims will be a bigger issue. there will collect data starting in october. tell us again how the airlines will do with the nickname issue? guest: it will not be a problem if they asked her first name and you put your real first name. then you can be nicknamed reena when you are putting your date of birth engineer, just enter your real name on your identification.

it should not change frequent- flier information, airport check-ins, anything like that. it just allows them to make the data match. it is to compare with the watch list. just enter your full first name one time. host: here is brooklyn on our end the ban . caller: hi, will we ever be able to return to do with a person with proper i.d. tennistennis court your spouse or child down to the gate and went with them as in the old days? guest: i think that the answer isyes. there is the opportunity, but much of the reason not to was the congestion check point.

as that has become more manageable and we can screen differently, that is possible to get that changed at some time. host: the four martsa administrator, kip hawley, joining us from mountain view this morning. guest: it has been a pleasure. host: president obama is speaking to doctors this afternoon. we will have live coverage at 12:15 p.m. eastern. that will do it for "washington journal" this morning. we will we back tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2009] . .