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that, one, a intellect subcommittee of the permanent select committee on intelligence shall be established to verify the accuracy of the speaker's aforementioned public statements. two, the select subcommittee shall be comprised of four members, two by the chairman and two by the ranking member. three, subcommittee shall have powers to obtain documents pursuant to subpoena authority under clause 2-m of the rules of the house. and, four, the select subcommittee reports its findings and recommendations to the house not later than 60 calendar days after adoption of the resolution. mr. speaker, that is the resolution. the speaker pro tempore: the chair designates now as the time that the gentleman may offer his resolution. mr. bishop: thank you. and i'm assuming, mr. speaker, it's n time. i therefore offer the
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resolution. i assume it has to be read, mr. speaker. the speaker pro tempore: the clerk will report the resolution. the clerk: whereas the honorable nancy pelosi, a representative from california, served from 1997 to 2002, as ranking democratic member of the house permanent select committee on intelligence, whereas representative pelosi currently serves as speaker of the house, a position of considerable power and influence within the congress. whereas title 3 of united states code designates the speaker of the house as the third in line of succession to the presidency. whereas speaker pelosi has publicly challenged the truthfulness of what she said and other congressional leaders were told by central intelligence agency officials about the agency's use of enhanced interrogation techniques on suspected terrorists. whereas in an msnbc interview on february 25, 2009, speaker pelosi stated, i can say flat out they never told us that these enhanced interrogation
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techniques were being used. whereas speaker pelosi's public statements allege a sustained pattern of deception by government intelligence officers charged by law with informing congress about the agency's activities. whereas when asked at a press conference on may 15, 2009, why threported -- widelyeported by the news media, madam speaker, just to be clear, you're accusing the c.i.a. of lying to you in september, speaker pelosi stated yes. whereas during the same press conference the speaker subsequently stated, so, yes, i'm saying they are misleading. the c.i.a. was misleading the congress and further they misled us all the time and they misrepresented every step of the way. >> mr. speaker. the house is not in order. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is correct. the house will be in order. the clerk may proceed. the clerk: whereas in a memorandum to c.i.a. employees released publicly, leon panetta,
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the c.i.a. director, stated, it is not our policy or practice to mislead congress, that is against our laws and our values. as the agency indicated previously in response to congressional inquiries, our records from september, 2002, indicate that c.i.a. officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation, describing the enhanced interrogation techniques that have been employed. whereas when asked in a press conference held june 4, 2009, madam speaker, are you still receiving intelligence briefings, speaker pelosi responded by saying, yes, i am, yes, i am. whereas on june 5, 2009, article on human events.com, pelosi received c.i.a. briefings but won't see if they're truthful stated, she refused to answer when asked whether or not she believes intelligence profesal are still lying to her. whereas national and international media reports on
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this controversy -- clerk will suspend. the clerk may proceed. the clerk: national and international media reports on th by raising questions about whether the effectiveness of congressional oversight may be undermined by intelligence officials and whereas in order to safeguard the reputation of the house, it is imperative to reconcile as soon as possible the contradictory statements by speaker pelosi and c.i.a. director panetta. now therefore be it resolved that, one, a select subcommittee on the pernt committee on intelligence shall be established to review and verify the accuracy of the speaker's statement. two, the select subcommittee shall be comprised of four members of the full committee, two appointed by the chairman of the committee and two by its
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ranking minority member. three, the subcommittee shall have the same powers to obtain testimony and documents pursuant to subpoena authorized under clause 2-m of rule 11 of the rules of the house. and, four, the select subcommittee reported findings and recommendations to the house not later than 60 calendar days after adoption of this resolution. the speaker pro tempore: does the gentleman from utah wish to present argument on why the resolution is privileged for immediate consideration? mr. bishop: yes, i do, thank you, mr. speaker. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. bishop: this is very similar, not exactly the same, but similar to a resolution we presented a few weeks ago. it is presented again for one simple reason. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman will suspend. members, please take your conversations off the floor. the gentleman from utah. mr. bishop: thank you, mr. speaker. we may not be in order but at
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least we're traditional. the reason that this is before here is still that there is no cloture on this particular issue. in a man for all seasons, sir thomas moore may have used silence as his legal argument that silence denotes consent but in a political setting as we are here, silence is not a solution. in an era in which perception is the same thing as reality, silence is does not solve the problem and indeed arms -- silence does not solve the problem and indeed harm is still there. if an agency of government intentionally misleads congress and the c.i.a. has denied that they did that, but if they intentionally mislead congress or a member, an important or significant member of congress, it creates a problem for the integrity of the house as a whole. if the data we are to receive is in question then the solutions and the arguments we derive are equally in question. and that becomes an untenable decision. all of our decisions, therefore, become suspect. there is only one solution to
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this and it is the same solution that we have said before. if we don't want this issue to simply be subject to political ma manouvering -- maneuvering, establish a bipartisan committee. two republicans, two democrats. make that committee a subset of the committee on oversight, on intelligence, so they understand the verbiage, they understand the questions, they don't have to have a lot of time to be brought up to speed. if you have that kind of committee their report will by its very nature of the makeup of that committee not be subject to political spin. and we may be able to move on. that's the important part. it is the integrity of the house that is in question here and needs to be answered so decisions of this house will be considered without any other kind of question or implication. now as we are starting the appropriations process, becomes an ideal time in which any kind of solution we may wish to impose on this particular situation should be before the
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house and should be done. mr. speaker, i do this as a former speaker in utah where several times you had to stand up and defend the integrity of the institution. this is about the integrity of the institution to make sure we were not intentionally misled by an agency of government. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the chair is prepared to rule. the resolution proposes to direct the select subcommittee on the permanent select committee on intelligence to review and verify the accuracy of certain public statements of the speaker concerning communications to the congress from an element of the executive branch. such a review necessarily would include an evalue nation not only of the statements of the speaker but also the executive communications to which those statements related. thus the review necessarily would involve an evaluation of the oversight regime that formed the context of those communications as well. in reviewing and verifying the accuracy of the aforementioned public statements, the select subcommittee would be assessing not only the probity of the
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speaker's actions but also the probity of the actions of the executive branch officials. on these premises, the chair finds that the instant resolution is not materially different from house resolution 470 which was held on may 21, 2009, not to present a question of privilege. the chair therefore holds that the resolution is not privileged under rule 9. instead, as was the case with house resolution 470, the instant resolution may be submitted through the hopper. the gentleman from utah. mr. bishop: i thank the detailed analysis of the speaker but i must respectfully appeal of the ruling of the chair. the speaker pro tempore: the question is, shall the decision of the chair stand as the judgment of the house. for what purpose does the gentleman from florida rise? >> mr. speaker, i have a motion at the desk and i move to table the appeal of the ruling of the chair. the speaker pro tempore: the question is on the motion to table. all those in favor say aye. those opposed say no. the opinion of the chair, the ayes have it. mr. bishop: on that i request
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the yeas and nays. the speaker pro tempore: the yeas and nays are requested. those favoring a vote by the yeas and nays will rise. a sufficient number having arisen, the yeas and nays are ordered. pursuant to clause 8 of rule 20, this 15-minute vote on the motion to table will be followed by five-minute votes on motions to suspend with respect to h.r. 2247 and h.r. 403. this will be a 15-minute vote. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.]
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the speaker pro tempore: on this vote the yeas are 246. the nays are 171 much the motion is adopted. without objection the the motion to reconsider is laid upon the table. the unfinished business is the vote on the motion of the gentleman from tennessee, mr. cohen, to suspend the rules and pass h.r. 2247 as amended on which the yeas and nays are ordered. the clerk will report the title of the bill. the clerk: h.r. 2247, a bill to amend title 5 united states code to make technical amendments to certain provisions of title 5 united states code. the speaker pro tempore: the question is will the house suspend the rules and pass the bill as amended. members will record their votes by electronic device. this will be a five-minute vote. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.]
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