of building partnerships, allies, we cannot do anything anymore in the world. i think that has to translate into a defense transfer and an export control policy that has shifted from, with respect to allies or partners, has shifted from someone having to prove there were the to actually having to building systems in the future. -- having to prove they are worthy to actually having to build systems. do you want to? >> it just briefly. he reflected a longstanding indian frustration. it is true. in the first part of this decade, when indians or others

would say that there were still camps, isi back to camps of jihadi camps that they would promise to shut down within the camps moved. when this was brought the attention of the united states, we said we did not to overload the system because we needed their cooperation. it was more important to hinds al quidea in pakistan was able to play off of these. they would say that they were doing what was asked to but then would not do it. i think, in the real world of government, you go in with a list of demands for the other side and the order of the list matters.

the people you are hunting matters and then if the camps were no. 6 on the list, that matters. i think that did happen. it is a recurring problem. >> i would add, look, india has shown a great deal of restraint on that point. that is all to your credit. on the other hand, i would say that indians have made the judgment that, for a variety of reasons, it is less of a priority for them now. it is still a priority, but they have made a point of that and it is less important than it has been in the years passed. if made calculations that serves their interests. again, india is to be commended for the restraint they have shown of the last few years particularly after the mumbai tax. -- mumbai attacks.

and not want their friends to my right to get off without more questions. it was noted earlier, it looks like an end user agreement is likely to be completed sooner rather than later. i am curious if you think that is going to give rise, particularly in the congress, for debate about the relationship or will the end user agreements be something that smooths out the relationship? in other words, aren't going to have a repeat on a smaller scale about the nuclear deal, that kind of debate? is the end user debate likely to be a model what is going to say it fits in with our general view of our and user agreements, or will there be -- or will it be constructed in such a way to be an exception? >> of course, it is a little

hard to comments without having seen the drafts that are being negotiated. it really would depend on what the end product looks like. i would expect that it would be positive. the agreement will be one that is consistent with u.s. law. it will be seen as such by the congress. the g did u.s. administrations have made a big deal about the importance of this issue -- the two u.s. administrations have made a big deal. congress is a lot of attention to these issues. -- congress pays a lot of attention to these issues. an agreement will be reached in a way that is acceptable. >> one thing that i would add, i

think it is at the core of continued defense and cooperation between united states and india with respect to collaboration at the industry level, where it may get more scrutiny, not near perhaps as much as that one deal did, when it is a direct commercial sale verses a foreign military sale case, i think there will be more pause in the action. again, much like my colleagues have indicated, not knowing the actual language and the boundary conditions related to it, i think we will see on the f.m.s. cases a positive outcome and perhaps more scrutiny. >> we have time for one more question. >> i know you have said no comments, but i cannot help, i

am compelled to take issue with the comments about designing things for export. as a company that lost $1.25 billion designing something for export that some -- that nobody wanted. the only way that our industry is going to make it in this tough international business environment is selling the stuff that the customers want and they do not want second-rate stuff which is what the indians are currently getting from the russians. >> to clarify my point, i do not disagree with you at all. my point is we have an export system design from the cold war that has to be upgraded. obviously, we want partners to be strong and have equipment that makes them strong. i do not take any issue about it

being with the customer wants. i taking of the f-22 -- i am thinking of the f-22 which is just a tragedy because we have all these restrictions from years past. we cannot export airplane, and i'm not talking of india but other countries. we build things that the customers want, but we build things as a national strategy, the idea that we're trying to strengthen up our partners. >> we're going to move straight into our next panel which is on in the u.s. economic cooperation. -- which is on indian u.s. economic cooperation. i would like you to give our panelists around applause. they have done a great job.

[applause] >> coming up in 15 minutes, remarks from admiral timothy keating. he is expected to talk about north korea's missile testing. that is live at 5:30 p.m. eastern. earlier today, the supreme court released its opinion which involves the promotion exam for new haven fire fighters which was rejected because very few minorities would receive promotions. the world abandoning the exam and really would not give them promotions. this overruled a lower court ruling. tonight, at 8:00 p.m. eastern you can hear a portion of the oral argument from the case

before the second circuit court of appeals that took place in 2007. that is tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern here on c-span. now, a discussion on congress, the white house, and the influence of media on politics. is from this morning's "washington journal." here is the associate editor of real clear politics. we're here to talk about congress wrapping up in the influence of media on politics. there is a front-page story this morning in roll-call about the gop in their plants over the recess. they planned to blast away over the fourth of july recess. they get these breaks in congress. how affected our party is getting a message through to the public, particularly in the stretch but this holiday? guest: it requires a lot of grassroots work.

unique coalition-building out in the states, districts to amplify your message. if you are focused on a message in washington, d.c., advertising and places like "roll-call" or "the washington post," it has a limited effect. you have to go back home and attend fourth of july parades. you have to hook their messages are bombarding in getting across to constituents in the home states. i think they're effective when targeted that way. host: it is kind of the down time for politics in general. what are you looking at as the recess develops? guest: the districts that democrats have won over the last two cycles were taken from republicans. republicans are going back into the district's to target those easy ones.

this is recess time will definitely target advertising to those districts, specifically. the want to try to cut the democratic majority. host: here is an article in "roll-call" about the liberal deck. now that the energy bill has been passed, they're looking to take up their cause, the gays are. how much influence do think the group in particular will have now that the president has gotten some of his measures passed through congress? guest: absolutely, they will have some because he did make some promises during the campaign. they have begun by extending benefits to federal employees. congress, the democrats, want to take that up to make it a legislative priority. host: faiz shakir, how big a win

was it for the president to get that bill passed through the house on friday? guest: it was significant. they had to make some concessions, but it is still a bill most democrats can be happy with. it's still accomplishes all of a global warming objectives while also giving a significant victory to move on now to health care in the house which will be one of the next big obstacles. there will be some major legislative hurdles yet to come, but the fact that we have one you can move on to the next agenda. host: the conversation this half-hour is on politics and the white house. our guest will be with us until 8:00 a.m. eastern. kyle trygstad, you have a piece on friday about the gop pushing

back on energy. the just passed the bill which should not pass by a wide margin -- did not pass by what margin, but how likely is it that the gop was begins that with those things coming down the pipe at the present has popular support for? guest: this took some effort off the health care plan which they had been pushing against pretty hard. this deal last weekend between the agriculture committee chairmen and it speaker nancy pelosi and henry waxman kind of changed things quickly for republicans. the republicans that will it push against this energy bill, but was such a big gap between the majority and minority in house seats there is little they can do. host: let's go to calls. first up this is richard on the republican line from new york. go ahead. caller: thank you for c-span.

they just passed the cap and trade legislation and house. in the congressman who voted for that should be impeached because there were not allowed to read the bill. just like the patriot act. but they did not read the bill. how can you vote on something you did not read? now with question if they go to the senate if they should allow the american people to read it online for seven days before they vote on it. this is treasonous. i would like a campaign for liberty. ron paul's site tops a lot about it. host: the importance of being able to read the bill? guest: it is important, but this cap and trade bill has been going on for decades. it has been gradual.

you have had debate on it for the last several congresses. the have improved on the past previous efforts. john mccain has been a leader previously in pushing legislation on this. this agenda did not surprise. it is one president obama campaigned on it, the details of which were well-understood by leaders of both parties in the house. host: here is an article on the terror provision that was in the bill. as to go into this negotiation with the senate was some political capital? guest: president obama gave interviews concerning the energy bill which was widely reported as an effort to try to influence the senate debate. they want to take out what they see as a protectionist item in the house compromise and hopefully have some success.

there is still a lot of room to strengthen the senate bill. right now it is far weaker than the house bill. there has been to the many efforts made. host: to the democrats lined in nashville, good morning. caller: good morning to you. i feel that cap and trade is in part because the incentive states has always been the world leader. with china and upcoming -- the united states has always been the world leader. with china and upcoming power millions will get cars and the next couple of decades and we need to lead. what do your guests feel the republicans can run on in light of the six years they had total control and double the national debt? and increased the size of government buy 40% or so? host: kyle trygstad?

guest: that is something that republicans have admitted to. we did make mistakes over the last few years and the american people answered that. the one thing they can run on now is what obama ran on last year which is jobs and economy. they want to pin it to nancy pelosi and president obama. that is what they are banking on. guest: there is a real concern about what the house and senate republicans have to say about such a critical issue as energy and national reform. many leading conservatives said that global warming is a hoax and do not even believe in the basic science. that is a critical problem for the house republicans that there are so divided on a critical issue. whether global warming even exist. that is a fundamentally difficult position to articulate for forms of any

kind. on the one hand you say they do not believe in a problem, and then many of their efforts to address it or simply status quo. let's simply burn more coal and burned the earth along the way. they are stuck in a difficult box and have not found a way to get out of it. host: pennsylvania, on the independent line. caller: a couple of comments and then i would like to hear their responses. first of all, of like to hear since this energy bill passed concerning the fact that the united states has 5% of the population of the world and we are responsible for 25% of the world's pollution. china, although a miserable polluter, are taking heavy actions to counteract that, as with mass transportation and other things. obama in the democrats had

better fight back against the republican onslaught coming on -- we can see the beginnings of it. if they do not they will lose in 2010 and 2012 because progressives like myself and independents make up the largest segment of the voting population -- we are disgusted with what obama is doing. that will be the bottom line. is not because of republican strength, but the disappointment of democrats and independents. host: kyle trygstad, the lot his statement a little. one commentator said they thought it would be two or three election cycles before republicans will come back into power. guest: yes, i think republicans see that as a real possibility. they are so far down. they are down 13 senate seats and it does not look great next

year. they will at least lose one more. what happens in this congress and over the next year, with the congress and with the economy -- it just does not look great. host: how much harder is it in the senate now that john ensign has stepped down as the lead senator of the campaign committee? guest: from the policy committee. they had another guy who is a rising star, so i'm not sure they will lose a lot. obviously, though, they did take a hit at least image-wise for republicans. guest: across the board, if you look at poll some of obama is more trusted than those gop, even with tourism and deficit control. he is still broadly more trusted than the house and senate gop's. there is a fundamental problem

there. my fellow blocker has indicated that they often target though gop as a problem for obama. it is not the case. it is a problem for the gop that they are stuck on these critical issues, losing to obama, having very little trust in the american public. going into future elections opposes a major problem only for them. host: myrtle beach, south carolina, good morning. caller: i would like to take issue politely. mr. faiz shakir, i hope to be embarrassed about not trying to bring certain things to lead. the media as far as i am concerned it is totally in the tank for this president on every level. look at health care and abc. why didn't the network bring up people like me who it is getting ready to retire? i believe that congress is

exempt from the health care plan they're trying to give us, that they have about the best health care plan in the world and still be able to get it. when i have freedom of choice can i sign on to them? also, can you tell me as a baby boomer why isn't anyone bringing to light -- how many people do think will get medicare and the next seven years? i am the original baby boomer from 1946. it will be catastrophic. all of those people will go off private. host: lots to respond to. guest: thank you for the question. i have a book camino with howard dean about health care reform. the fundamental problem of the next 50 years will be the cost of health care. it is rising out of control and if you do not put into place fundamental measures to bring in

those costs, you will not succeed regardless of what efforts he made. one of the staples that howard dean and many other liberal advocates have pushed for is a public plan. one that would compete against private insurers. if you have one on the table the hope is that the public one could compete with the way to drive down costs both from private insurers, but also administer a plan that costs much less of a long term. host: following up on his comments about health care -- here is a message from twitter. would either of you like to time in -- chime in on that? guest: there is a lot and on

advertising, and much money spent on trying to figure out how to get a healthy pool to cover -- that is with the insurance companies do. then you have people who go to the emergency room and take up a lot of cost. the rest of us have to pay for. that news to be rectified. you need and affordable, cost- effective option for those without insurance or who are on the risk of losing it, to have a fallback plan slicking get coverage. so that they don't have into the emergency room unless they have a catastrophic problem. host: let's follow up on that caller's comment concerning the abc town hall from last week. guest: it was definitely interesting because the whitehouse has allowed two stations begin with unprecedented access.

this was not seen by quite as many people. many blame that on the white house and the fact that american people might be tired of seeing these things. the other argument may have been that abc did not promote it as much. it was obviously a good thing for the white house to do to get this conversation going to the american people. host: the issue of health care came of yesterday's on this week with george stephanopoulos. here's a bit of what david axelrod had to say and also with the president said. >> well, i do not want to show viewers something the president said in the campaign back in september -- i want to show viewers this. >> i want to make a firm pledge that no family making less than $250,000 per year will see any form of tax increase, not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes. >> that is a firm pledge, does

it mean that the president will veto any bill that has a tax increase for those earning less than 2 minute 500 thousand dollars per year? >> the president says that whatever is done it must not add to the deficit. this will have to be paid for. two-thirds of its expense under the president's plan would be done by transferring money within the health-care system for medicare, on wasteful spending, giveaways to the insurance and drug companies, and so on. we're talking about the final third. he has proposed a plan that would be in keeping with his promise, to cap deductions for the wealthiest americans. host: was there any change of message from the candidate to the elected president? guest: i think they are trying

to remain at least somewhat consistent. we will have to wait and see what comes out of the bill is to see if they can stick to it. guest: a think the administration is that, trying to figure had to pay for health care reform. it is estimated around $1.60 trillion. trying to figure or will come from is one of the difficult challenges. the administration marshall looks to congress to resolve it. -- is largely looking to congress. some are not taking a firm position. they are waiting to see what the best ideas are. host: in the first five months has that been the pattern? guest: i think so. obama came into office with

large goals and has said to the congress, give me your approach to this. here are the things i would like to tackle. tell me your time frame, your schedule, your details that you would like to offer. he has given republicans ample opportunity to weigh in on the stimulus, for example. those efforts have not succeeded greatly with republicans, but he still is sticking to his original ideas which is to allow congress to have an equal say in this. host: good morning, on the democrats' line. caller: hi. well, i would like to comment regarding the health care plan and the lovely plan obama wishes to have in place. i saw this poll were 72% of the american people are in support of public health care.

at this time people are really aware of the crisis in health care industry and across the nation. i would like to know why the congress and the president do not work more towards the federal plan like the congress and federal employees have. i am a retired va nurse and i had the most wonderful health care plan. i know the congress has it. this plan includes, i think there are eight or ten per the company is you can pick from, including blue cross blue shield -- i think there's a real road, and another is a post office plan. you get to pick which plan you want. there is no problem going to any doctor you wish to commit any specialist.