[applause] >> thank you. i know a lot of good people that work in government. i understand the nature of large bureaucracies. there is no larger bureaucracy than the federal government. when i say that i do not want someone to come in between me and my doctor, what i am saying is that i think the choices ought to be made at the levels closest to me. as you make that further from yourself, the person that is further away and the ability to make the judgment is impaired. i think the point you make it a good one.

insurance companies do not always say yes. but if you have competition so that if the city your insurance carrier, look, this is not working, i am going to go to someone else, u.s. some leverage over them. .

ready >> we attempt to try and present views as we see them and present alternatives as we think they should be presented and attempt to build a consensus month p.m. pressuring congress to do the right thing. we have been frozen out from our ideas being in the bill.

if it hadn't been americans on their own original noising and coming to meetings and saying wait a minute, we want you to take a different attack here. there was 31 amendments. my hope is that maybe the president will say, maybe we overreached here, maybe they don't want a total overhaul. maybe we need to bring everyone together and try to reach a consensus and start with those

things we agree on. that's my hope for me. thank you very much. >> thank you for having this. i'll keep this short. i know the senate and house can pass this. if they choose to use that option, or to use the reconstruction option. is it possible in the future to

reverse this action. >> i think you meant reconsiliation, which is a term of art on the senate side pay which they can avoid the 60 votes. >> they are limited in what they can do. my concern is if we get this wrong now, it sets in place something very hard to undo. it's not going to affect you and me, it will affect our children and dprand children.

the president has properly cited the mayo clinic. outstanding institution. they have come out with three other systems similar to theirs. and they have said these plans would put them out of business. i can't give you chapter and

verse, i have to pay attention to what they say. where do you think the saudi princes come for treatment? they are coming to mfrp ayo. that's arch plus. and you are telling me they are going to go out of business. we have to stop and listen. [applause] we have a pate yoe person, yes. >> i am a patio person. thank you for taking my question. just insurance accident --

incidentally, there is a customs office for those people who come in for treatment. in the last few years, i have been very successful. sometimes, this are things you can't avoid taking. sometimes people would like to have choices. is there a place if all of this

for the consumer to take responsibility for how her healthcare dollars are spent. we buy flat screen tvs for pae nuts. so that's my yet. it is true that health saveings accounts would be illegal after the first five years. because in the bill, any program would have to meet the standards set by any public action or by the federal sdar that would require them to be what the option would be. by any definition, hs a's would

be illegal. the question is what can you do to get people more involved in the process so that they are making and weighing decisions. you look to the example of safe way stores. the ceo has got himselffully invested in healthcare for employees. there is a certain amount of money for employees and the amount of their deductible.

they get involved in the early stages. they help their employees about information about comparative %b

costs. >> they were allowed to give you a bep fit. as a result, in the first year that they had, the company's total healthcare costs went down 11%. they shared that cost cutting by cutting their costs by 25% or

more. did they send down this edict and say you have no choice? no. what you do is have a mandate. i don't want the federal government telling me i can't have a steak or ice cream or them telling me how much i should weigh. they could say if you do these sorts of things that we believe will give you a healthier lifestyle, we are allowed to give you a benefit for that. no one takes away your freedom

and you can make rational decisions. i think there are things that can be done. there are other companies that have done the same sort of thing. i think these are the kinds of ideas we ought to be taking into consideration as we take consideration. we have someone from the outside now. you are doing such a great job of being plight. >> i am a senior citizen. i am against what is going on. my question is to you, there are hundreds, if not, thousands of

people here, you have a smul room. i've been told it was becausepre planning didn't expect to hear from this many people. how do you plan to hear from the rest of these people. here's what happened. this is really the largest ven u. >> i can find you a bigger one. we are going to have two more town hall meetings. i have one in jackson >> what are you going to do to come back to citrus heights?

>> usually our problem is worrying about anybody showing up. i am happy to come here before. >> you have no idea how many people are outside. really, the parking lot was full and people were still coming in from across the street to listen to you. somehow, you need to provide a way to hear the rest of us. >> thank you.

>> i have a son that needs substantial care. i would like to know what happens with this obama rationing when i have a private plan i like. >> there are those who suggest that the public option is off the table and theñry president' spokesman just this afternoon said it is not off the table and got them misunderstood.

>> if you look at the situations we've had, they said the federal government can do things more cheaply. i'm telling you what we just passed. if you look at the medicare advantage program, that's a program that was put in the last administration to offer a

private sector alternative to regular medicare. my concern is that a public option almost immediately becomes public monopoly deciding

on its own that they will no longer allow pain killing injection to people with low back pain. they have 60-90,000 people i am not aware of some panel that sees me as a name tag, i would

be going out of my mind. are we ever going to have a perfect system? no. are we ever going to have all the money we node in >> no. some special cases where the government needs to assist, i think all of us would understand that's an obligation we have. i think it's self defeating. i really do. [applause]

>> i am a recently returned peace corp volunteer. jo host: do you promise me and the majority even else to represent the views of the minority but also the majority to represent those who want and need hemming care reform. >> as i said, i do believe we need reform. the question is what type of reform should we have?

i do say there are thivengs we must do in the ways of preexisting conditions. there were amendments to try to do things in the way the bill had. secondly, with respect to those who have an inability to get insurance. we ought to be able to establish a i program to assist that.

others say we provide the hem care plan. there are various ways to do it. are you asking, will i prefer a reform? absolutely. do i support anover haul to the secret, i do not. >> brian, would you ask the law enforcement people if at 8:30 i could go outside and talk to

whoever is out there? i topt know what they'll allow or not in that time. i'll be happy to go out there if they will allow that. ok. >> following up on the last person's question, if looking at the healthcare reform, the nodes are many, the resources are relatively few. my concern is that we have somewhere in the neighborhood of

12-30 million illegal aliens in the united states. that number -- even l.a. times says in california we have between 6-6.5 million. i could not find anything that discusses the care of illegal aliens. can you say we will not be

funding illegal aliens healthcare out of medicare and medicaid currently in california? i know we are spending millions upon millions to provide emergency care for illegal aliens. the other reason why i'm asking is because right behind that, i've seen the bill for illegal immigration that the administration is proposing. they are talking about opening the doors, 24 hour approval, no background check. we have people who start fires because of drugs. we don't know who is here or not.

will this bill the way it is written fund illegal healthcare. >> this was an amendment brought forward the next day by a democratic member in ohio that said illegal aliens are not to receive medicaid but are not to

receive any requirement. >> thank you for your time and your frank answer. i hope you will be as diligent when the illegal reform bill comes up. it sounds like not very good for the american people.

nancy pelosi, our speaker has said -- she is the speaker of the house. i didn't vote for her but she is the speaker. she did say she's going to wait and have the senate act first. if there is action on immigration will be on the senate side first. what you described, it wound go

anywhere. >> i appreciate you do these. this is vital to the health of our countier recently after the last federal election, i redid my application as to which party i am going with. i declared none.

i'm so distraught on what is going on on both sides of the aisle. if we would understand that our congress is there to represent the people of our country, they would be a lot further in terms of solving the problems on the horizon today. my question to you is as a person in your district, are you going to represent everybody from this district when go out to congress or are you going to

represent the republican perspective. i try to represent the perspective which i honestly share with the people that i represent. more often than not, that's a republican perspective but not always. i try and work with people on the other side of the aisle. i went out and thoughtç jane ha monday would be my co-sponsor. while i was running for my election and supported john mccain and his ticket, i worked with senator boyeden on a crucial piece of legislation to protect our shores from illegal drugs, the potential of terrorists materials, explosive

materials in outlawing what are known as semisubmeasuresibility vehicles. here i was working to make sure he wasn't the vez of the united states but at the same time working with him on legislation i felt was good for this nation. we pass that had. i'm working with one of the most liberal members of congress on a bill about redousing ourover all nuclear arsenal to levels i think are sufficient to protecting this country.

>> i can't reach much further than that.

barny frank came me and said, would you accompany a lana back to the soviet union in a showing of our believe that the soviet union should be protected and we will then meet with them and identify where on principal we can't reach an agreement, i wilv fight. there are times you can do that. if you truly believe something is the wrong approach, i don't think it helps the people you represent or this nation that by the spirit of partisanship, i go

with what i think is right. another patio person. >> my question is kind of different. in listening to certain radio stations and certain numbers of my colleagues. we are interested in the monies we are looking at an increase of money for abortions.

the cost of healthcare and what are your feelings on it and the poll tugsians who claim that they are prolife. what are we doing? >> i think it's clear what my position is on that issue. i happen to be prolife and have voted that way. there's been general agreement we would support something known as the hooit amendment which would restrict federal funding of abortion which says you may believe in abortion but that doesn't mean you ob gate taxpayer dollars to be used for it in all circumstances. that's been generally accepted.

in providing the same core wrath allowed in the public option. that would mean federal funds would be allowed for options across the board.

>> by the way, if you are an employee and you don't keep those standards, you get fined. you will be fined if you don't provide that. >> i've been outside for an hour. this is a lot of people outside. good. i'll be out there at 8:30. >> there's a lot of details, the

drug companies and a lot of entities involved. we have talked about, this is good enough for us, is it good enough for our legislatures. >> there was a specific amendment offered before the education and labor committee to provide the members of congress to enjoy the congress program and the amendment

>> i would say they increase the opportunity and increase the number of options people have and have that be the answer and the specific, public option that

monopoly. >> i will just say, if it is good enough for congress, it's good enough for everybody.

>> thank you for allow us to voice our questions and concerns. i know there's a health czar. my question to you is your feelings of the czares and the shadow government that's being created >> the staff of the joint economic committee that would be created a new or would have increased programs or policies

in them. all of the colors are new agencies. i use this to provide is this is the healthcare provider on that side. that's you the consumer or the patient on the other side. that's the intervention of government i find difficult, including a drug czar. the other question you have is the number of these czares we've created they thought it was important enough to select who he was with. what has happened in the

development. we seem to be having many, manyf more. i am worried because of these czares. i find it to be troubling. it ought to upset the senators

before it does the house. i will admit on the senate side they have gone crazy. there is a lag time where the president comes in before he has his cabinet and key appointed people. having said that, i am still bothered by the prolive rating of the czares. i don't like that name. old fashion historical concern

of mine. >> several things come to mind that would lend themselves to constructive legislation.

dwinging death bringing both camps down. on the tight end bring to the cost of the fda.

i would like to hear your comments on that. >> most of the complaints i hear, the fda doesn't include drugs more quickly. i believe we have tried to respond to that issue by in some cases accelerating approvals where appropriate. secondly, we have the problem of what is called orphan drugs, drugs made for swine flu.

the other thing you have are certain drugs in immunizations. other people with adverse reactions but the lawsuit could be enormous. one of the questions is did we go too far. those who question quality numbers of supplements the

argument a lot of the time with athletes. i'm not an absolute defender of the fda we do a pretty good job. one of the issues thatúpy usual comes up is what people say what with about ge far rick.

you want people to use their ability of coming up with new ideas we want to make sure we have people that are a benefit. they have an exclusive right to that which they came up with. we had a problem years ago where we saw the fda take a while to approve drugs so long as they

can produce the very same product chemicily speaking, they are allowed to put it on the market and don't have to go through the approval process as if it were a new drug. i promised everyone i would go out outside. we have time for one more question here in front.

>> can't let you go out this way. >> bryant, go right away. >> maybe someone has asked. i have an insurance carrier that has been demonized.

the demonizing of insurance carriers would go back i think. that would be a concern if we were going to do public intervention. we need to do it in a more appropriate place. >> thank you for that comment. government does some things very well but it can't do a lot of things what happens is n the

government side they are trying on the government side. i think we can take a better look at myself and my family. i'm going to go outside. we have a taun hall in jackson on saturday at 10:30 a.m. one week from wednesday in rancho core doefa in the city hall there. thank you for being so

courteous. >> planning on attending a local town hall meeting. do you have a video camera? if so, you can select your video to aaron c-span.

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