tonight, stomach churning inside as the life of an accused killer. we're now learning more about the 24-year-old lab tech accused of brutally murdering annie le. it seems clark was living two lives. some say he was friendly and nice but others describe a darker side to this accused killer. neighbors say he controlled his fiancee and an ex-girlfriend claimed he once forced her to have sex against her will, although charges were never filed. meanwhile, co-workers say clark took his job very seriously. and sources reportedly say he complained that le left several lab cages dirty. could this have led to annie le's murder? could custodial clark see himself as lord of the lab?

and turning the tables on a liar. the hofstra coed who made up a story about being gang raped now finds herself under the hot lights of the media. she railroaded these young men with a fictitious tale of gang rape. why were prosecutors trying to protect her identity after plastering pictures and names of the accused rapist all over the media? plus, brace yourself for the very first look inside phillip garrido's house of horrors. more than 100 new pictures were just released of this disgusting hellhole. it's a firsthand look of what police say was jaycee dugard's nightmare. the house is a complete dump. garbage everywhere. what insight does this give us into the sick mind of a rapist and accused kidnapper? "issues" starts now. tonight, a slew of new developments in the investigation into the grisly, horrific murder of brilliant, beautiful bride to be annie le. take a look at this, "the new

york daily news" reporting a trail of shocking physical evidence against raymond clark iii, who is charged with punching and then strangling annie le. "the daily news" reports, state's dna tests prove -- this is from "the daily news" annie's blood is on clark's boots, which bizarrely have his name on them. the paper also says annie's dna and hair were found on raymond's body. the news adds, raymond clark's special green pen, which he used to distinguish himself from his co-workers, was also allegedly found in the lab basement after it fell into a crevice. you will not believe how he allegedly tried to retrieve the pen. "the daily news" report that's clark returned to work the next day with a backpack that contained wire, fishing hooks and chewing gum to try to fish out the pen that got stuck in the crevice. does this guy think he's

macgyver? meanwhile, wtic in hartford claim they are investigating a comparable second lab worker. all of this as a chilling portrait of clark as a, quote, control freak as work, is coming into sharp release. and for clark's high school buddies, they're not having any of it. they came to clark's defense last night on "larry king." >> raymond clark is ray-ray. i shouldn't even refer to him as ray mopped clamond clark. ray-ray. he is as of right now the suspect in the annie le slaying at yale. >> right. >> this is not the raymond clark that i know, and honestly, at the time being -- i can't say i believe he's guilty. >> ray-ray, is that his nickname? and tonight's "big issue," a theory we proposed right here on "issues," did raymond clark fancy himself lord of the lab? we'll investigate what some say was his need to be in charge. i am taking your phone calls.

but, first, straight out to my fantastic expert panel. drew finland, atlanta criminal defense attorney. lisa bloom, cnn legal analyst. and yale university law school graduate. pat brown, criminal profiler and ceo of the pat brown criminal profiling agency. dr. dale archer, clinical si psychiatri psychiatrist. ryan sartarro, who has known raymond clark since he was 12 years old. hang in there. i will be right with you. first, randi kaye, cnn correspondent on the ground in new haven, connecticut. randi, you have new information about how they tracked raymond clark. tell us about it. >> reporter: i do, jane. we got to talk to the source today who has some very good knowledge of this investigation and is very close to it. he told me they have been tracking raymond clark since before annie le's body was even found. he raised their suspicion when they saw him after viewing about 700 hours of videotape from the lab building security camera. they noticed him, i'm told, on

that video walking out of the building after someone, possibly him, i'm told, pulled the fire alarm the day of the murder. they saw him on that videotape walking out of the building with his head in his hands, looking especially distraught. i can also tell you tonight that they -- the same source with knowledge of the investigation is also telling me that they did confirm that -- that the victim's dna was found on raymond clark's body. >> wow. okay. the victim's dna. i've got to get my head around that. lisa bloom, the victim's dna was allegedly found on raymond clark's body, but it was a while between when she disappeared and then was found, and when they finally picked him up, and i remember asking the question when they cuffed him, wouldn't he have had ample opportunity to wash his hands? >> he's got a problem, jane. according to one report that i've seen, he told police initially that he didn't even see her on the day that she

disappeared. so he stuck with that story. he can't change it and say, oh, well, i can explain my dna was on her because we hugged, we said hello, i gave her a kiss on the cheek. in the course of my lab work, i cut myself and i bled on her. all of that is out if indeed he made that statement he didn't see her that day. so i think if all of this dna evidence is true, it's over for him. he doesn't matter what the motive is. it's over. there's no good explanation for it. >> ryan, you knew, you know raymond clark. you hung out with him. is this the raymond clark that you know? >> well, i wouldn't necessarily say that i hung out with him. i haven't seen him for about six years. we played baseball from about 12 to 18 years old. we're both the same age. >> then you hung out with him from 12 to 18 years old with all due respect, if you played baseball with him. it's a slow game. it lasts a long time. >> yeah. okay. it's definitely not the ray that i know or knew.

absolutely not. a lot of my teammates are definitely shocked over what is going on. >> i'm going to read some information here and get your reaction to it. clark allegedly sent annie le's e-mails criticizing her when it came to mice and other hygiene issues. and it could support our theory clark fancied himself lord of the lab. "the daily news" said his concern wasn't animal welfare. it was, quote, the need to be in charge. they described him, abc news quotes a co-worker who called him a control freak. very efficient and very demanding. so ryan santorro, you played ball with him, does that match the person you knew? >> not really. y he just played the game competitively and went out and played hard. i wouldn't necessarily see him as being a control freak or anything along those lines. but then again, those are -- like you said, they're all theories. when it comes down to it, i

think the facts need to play themselves out. but in the long run, it's definitely not the person i knew. a lot of people change from when they turn 18 to 24, so, i can't -- >> that's for sure. sometimes the ones who seem like the most clean cut end up being the kids you got to watch out for. and sometimes the ones that look like they're trouble end up being the pussycats. you can never tell. >> jane, one small point. a lot of guys who commit acts of violence against women are very friendly with their male friends. we are not seeing any exgirlfriends coming out of the woodwork saying what a great guy he is. >> no. as a matter of fact, dr. dale archer, there's a report that i cannot confirm that allegedly called cop when's she tried to break up with him when they were back in high school and according to the police report, she reportedly said he forced her at one point to have sex against her will, although no charges were ever filed because she continued the relationship for a while. >> yeah, i think that you often

see that with an abusive individual that lisa's exactly right, they're very, very friendly and seem totally normal to their male friends. but with their girlfriends is when the controlling nature really comes to the front. but i really think that what we have here is not the fact that he was the lab control freak or that he was efficient or demanding. we all know efficient, demanding people that can be very good at their job. i still stand by the point that this was unrequited love. >> me, too. >> and 98% of america has suffered unrequited love. we have actually done psychiatric studies on this, and we know how horrible it is. >> come on, i suffered unrequited love. i didn't bludgeon somebody! i suffered it several times. i just made a fool of myself. that's all i did. >> most of us go through it. and we're sad or wiser. we say, you know what, just because i love someone doesn't mean they're going to love me. but for somebody who is right on the edge, this stress could be enough to tip them over the edge. >> i don't want -- >> i want to look at my panel

for a second. let's look at the whole panel. has anyone here not suffered unrequited love? raise your hand. so everybody has suffered it. all right. that's -- i understand what you're saying but that's no excuse. >> no, jane -- >> that's very important, though. it's not an excuse but for somebody who was already right to that edge, this stress can be enough to tip them over the edge. i think he went down in that lab, not to murder her but to profess his love to her with hope against hope that she was going to reciprocate to him. and when she did not, he absolutely snapped. this was a passionate and brutal and emotional murder. there were fabbics of the cloth found deep inside her neck. it takes five minutes to strangle somebody. so this was very emotional in nature, and love is the strongest human emotion. and when it's not returned in a person that's already and on the edge, this can be the result. >> one second. we're going to take a break. randi kaye, cnn correspondent, thank you so much for updating us on this story. more on the brutal murder of

annie le in just a moment. we're also taking your calls on this, 1-877-586-7297. five young men nearly had their lives ruined by a college coed who lied about being raped by them. why does prosecutors try to protect this girl's identity. first, inside the mind of an accused killer. was raymond clark living separate lives? some describe the dark side of this accused killer but friends see a totally different side. >> at the time being, i can't say that i believe he's guilty. could someone toss me

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there was an altercation where ray became involved with that girl and whether it became physical or not, i do not know the extent of that. >> you know, he never was arrested or anything like that, but it just -- it just seemed like there was a problem within the relationship, and, you know, it was something between them two. >> in 2003, raymond clark's high school girlfriend filed a police report which she says was, quote, forced sex. listen to what his neighbor has

to say about his current relationship. >> i can just tell you he's controlling over his girlfriend, and any time she tried to talk to me, he would just say, "let's go. hurry up." i didn't know him that well, but what i did know of him was -- i did hear them yelling upstairs. mostly him yelling at his girlfriend. >> this current jennifer, pictured here with raymond on the cbs.com website recently made headlines. last year she shot down rumors about an alleged affair between raymond and a co-worker at the lab on her myspace page. and there's just a mountain of evidence coming in. randi kaye, cnn correspondent, thanks for sticking around. you say you have some new information to give us. >> our source with pretty good knowledge of this investigation, jane, told me how they tracked raymond clark and how they eventually arrested him. it turns out they were tracking him from even before annie le's body was found. they actually went to his parents' home, which was about 24 miles away from the yale campus, where i am right now,

and then on sunday, the day that the body was found, jane, he was playing softball and detectives were in the bleachers, in the stands watching him play softball, keeping an eye on him. and then, of course, we know that they went to his apartment. that's when they demanded the dna samples, saliva sample, and sample from under his fingernails as well. and then eventually they tracked him down at that super 8 motel, also about 25 miles or so from here and made the arrest. but what is really interesting here is they say at first they didn't want him to know they were tracking him and they were on his trail, but then eventually this did want him to. they were almost baiting him. they were walking around, making sure their badges were displayed when they were walking around his apartment, really almost playing a mind game, hoping he would come out and talk to them and mabel even confess. >> wow. fascinating stuff. pat brown, i'm always stunned when they say somebody who's expected of a horrific crime goes and does something like play softball. i mean, that's chilling if he

did this. >> it's a little creepy, yes. but, jane, i want to go back to this unrequited love thing. i'm happy what i hear. i have been angry all day about this, that he killed a girl over some dirty cages. that's just ridiculous. the unrequited thing, not unrequited love, but unrequited, why can't i get the cheerleader? in other words, i'm not kind of most successful guy in the world. six years out of high school, i'm cleaning rat cages. here i have this girl in front of me. she is a knockout girl. annie le is stunningly beautiful, educated. why can't i marry that girl? why is she marrying somebody else? that is somebody with a psychopathic nature. they believe they deserve that, and are entitled to that. and when they don't respond to him, how dare you not want me? >> remember, he was aware of the asian awareness club in high school and she's vietnamese-american. your question? >> caller: hi, jane. i was wondering what exactly -- have they questioned his fiancee

or talked to him? you know, they're talking to his high school and friends, but have they talked to his fiancee? what does she think? >> i'm sure, lisa bloom, they interviewed his fiancee. first of all, she worked at the lab along with his brother-in-law and sister. >> i'm sure they tried to. she may have refused to cooperate. remember, the people we have seen on tv are the pim who agreed to give media interviews but not the same group who have talked to police. she certainly has not spoken to the media yet and i'm sure all of the morning show bookers are circling her house, trying to get that interview with her. so far, she kept her mouth shut. >> here's another news report, wtic reporting today cops are investigating another lab report in annie le's honor. here's what the police reported to say today about other possible suspect sfwlz are you saying it's possible there could be more arrests? >> you never know where evidence will take you. i don't have any reason to believe that.

but as i told you before, we don't have tunnel vision here. >> all right. and we just mentioned raymond clark's fiancee, sister and brother-in-law all worked in that same animal testing lab at yale. none reportedly have been inside the building since clark's arrest. again, "the new york daily news" reporting clark spent an hour with annie le's lifeless body before he left. so, drew findlay, the big question, what did he do during that hour? obviously, they can find out if he made phone calls looking for help in disposing the body? >> clearly they will put a time period together, a time line to see whether or not he was text messaging or making phone calls during that period of time. also, obviously, they will make the observation if he did it during that period of time that he did it, which they believe he did, that he was trying to secret the evidence. jane, i feel compelled to say there's a lot of conjecture about him loving and this and that. a psychopathic comment was made.

i can tell you right now defense attorneys would be remissed not to look into psychological, psychiatric issues. and, remember, we are not necessarily talking about insanity but you have to investigate into mitigation f you're getting slammed by dna, have you to start thinking about it. and as the doctor -- as dr. archer said -- >> but you don't hide the body in a wall. this sounds like premeditated murder. >> wait a second. the president of yale said, wait a second, there's nothing in his history that leads us to believe he could be be capable of murder. >> i doubt that the president of yale is spending time with willard over here. but as dr. archer -- >> let's not insult the animals while we're at it. >> no. i think ben was the animal. willard was the owner. >> whatever. >> as dr. archer will tell you, though, most mental illnesses so often start manifesting themselves in the early 20s. >> oh, please. >> jane, you make a good point about the animals, by the way. there was a big "new york times" piece about people who worked in

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brace yourself for the very first look inside phillip garrido's house of horrors. more than 100 new photos were just released of this disgusting hellhole. it's a firsthand look at what police say was jis jaycee dugar nightmare. what sick mind is this of an accused rapist and kidnapper? and from "morning sunshine," robin meade will be with us to talk about her shockingly honest new book and her once secret battle with anxiety attacks. what could be a bigger expression of self-confidence than jumping out of a plane and free falling hundreds of feet?

that's exactly what the bubbly, beautiful host of "morning express" did with former president george w. bush. all the more reason to be shocked -- there she is with the former prez -- shocked that robin meade reveals in her new book that panic attacks almost caused her on-camera career to collapse. jump out of that plane, robin! three, two, one. there you go. wow. that's a person who looks in self-confidence? robin writes about her ordeal in stunning detail so others can learn how she battles panic attacks and won her amazing book, "morning sunshine: how to radiate confidence and feel it, too." we had a very revealing conversation about her struggles. robin, welcome. i read your book, and i really loved it. i want to congratulate you, first of all, of having the courage to honestly discuss a problem others might want to keep secret. why have you decided to tell this very personal story about your battle with your

insecurity? >> yeah, you know what, for a long time i kept it secret, too, and it did not service to me to keep it under wraps. for me, the book is about my story and the way i dealt with panic attacks, anxiety, really debilitating panic attacks. but it's under the umbrella of self-confidence because who among us have not had some issue with self-confidence? so i wrote this book -- i didn't want to like buy a book and walk away and go, i didn't learn anything fromrevealing. it's funny, i put out there stuff you wouldn't normally hear from a news anchor. all of my weird knew rose sises, like the things i have to have on my bed stand at night. >> that's one of the things love, that it's so honest and it revealed so much. they say you can save your face or you can save your heinie. i guess you chose to save your heinie. robin, you lead what many would see as a charmed life. when i was reading the book. wow, you were the homecoming

queen. let's face it, almost every girl dreams of that. you were also ms. ohio. has to be a huge validation. but happiness is an inside job and we can't compare what's on the inside with what's on the outside. but why such a disparity between what was the appearance and what was happening inside? >> yeah, so i think that my panic attacks and anxiety manifested themselves physically after a lifetime of making my value, bhut to me my value was whether someone liked me. so someone didn't like me and i couldn't make you like me, then i was of no malvall yu to myself. now, isn't that the weirdest thing? in other words, i was putting everyone else's opinion about me on a pedestal above my own opinion of myself. so myself worth was whether they liked me or not. so where as a lot of people go, oh, self-esteem is about how you feel about how you look, it wasn't that for me. it was whether i could win you over and what i can do to make you like me. that was my power, or where i was powerless.

>> one of my favorite parts of the book, embracing your inner bitch. i say that because it's in here. because it's jane velez-mitchell, we can say that. >> i love it. i love it. i haven't been able to say this on a tv show yet. so i think when it comes to self-confidence and really feeling self-esteem, so many of us will dismiss little parts of ourselves that we don't want to embrace and we say, you know, that's really not a part of me. for me i want it to be pollyanna, apparently, because i want it to make you like me. so, therefore, i would puch away the bitchy part of me. we have parts of us that are not very likable. that we try to keep hidden from the public. my husband deals with it at home, right? he has to deal with the -- with all sides. but i'm saying that in order to be really confident and have self-esteem, all of us need to embrace all of those parts of our personality that's we would rather hide away. so what is like being nice

anyway? so many of us women think, we should be nice. i think you should be helpful to people and kind but what is nice? where is that going to get you anyway? embrace a bit. let's go on a bitch recognition campaign. >> i'm embracing my inner bitch as of right now! watch out, people! i'm not a people-pleaser anymore! >> there you go. >> it's tough. a lot of people are people-pleasers. i have fallen into that category. jane, you admitted you have fallen into that category. that is what you call self-confidence. on the back of my book, deep rack chopra wrote something that really touched the heart of the issue. self-esteem comes from within. self-confidence is what you get from other people. self-esteem is right there. nobody can touch it. >> what's ego based, to seek approval is an ego based there. to be of service to people is not about your hegio. it's about helping others. i have to tell you, i read the book and i did one of the exercises. because like you, i have problems. you say if you find out how your

problem is benefiting you and you write it dune, then you can get rid of that problem. so i took a problem i have, which i won't share, i and i wrote down threopathies how i would benefit. first i thought just like you, i'm not benefiting. no, i was. i am benefiting. every problem we have on some sub conscience level we're getting somebody out of it. otherwise we let it go. i thought that was brilliant. >> thank you. it is a real mind flip if you can tell yourself, well, this thing i really hate, and it is such a big, you know, mountain of a problem in my life is really a benefit to me. so for me, these panic attacks, i had them about ten years ago. on the air no less. i'm supposed to be a news anc r anchor, journalist, the voice of information, and i could barely breathe. for some reason, i started having panic attacks. not stage fright but panic attacks. i wanted to be perfect. i wanted the audience to like me. if i screwed up, oh, no, i might lose my job. so i had to do a mind flip and think, how are these panic attacks a benefit to me? well, they don't.

they suck. but hi i had to make my mind go well, the panic attacks will make you examine why are you thinking this way that led to your body to manifest an anxiety attack? or you know what, i wanted to find out what was wrong with my body so i started eating good and i started exercising, so, there ever, i had to come full circle and go, you know what, these are a been fit to me. you face your worse fear and it's no longer your fear. >> i love it. and i tell everybody out there, read this book. you will get something out of it. and do the exercises like i did, and you'll help eliminate some of your problems. robin meade, so great to talk to you. thank you so much for joining me. it was really great, exhilarating. and i love the fact that we both love to talk about our problems, girlfriend! a >> and on that note, look at jane's new book as well, "i want." thank you so much. right back at you. great interview back to the harsh reality of our show, a shocking twist in the haley couplings' case. misty cummings's brother

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a firsthand look inside phillip garrido's twisted world. new pictures just released. we're going to show you the hellhole where he allegedly kept jaycee dugard. but, first, tonight's "top of the block." a bizarre new twist in the haleigh cummings' disappearance. cops question four -- count them, four prison inmates for the search of missing 6-year-old haleigh and one of the inmates just happens to be missy

croslin's brother. remember mittsy, the chain-smoking teenager married to haleigh's dad ronald. she was baby sitting the night she was abducted but claims to have slept through the entire thing. as if this case couldn't get more bizarre, remember last month haleigh's dad was arrested after he allegedly got into a fight with family members. turns out, he was fighting with misty's brother hank, the same guy just weed by police. did this fight have anything to do with haleigh's disappearance? do the cops have any suspects? this family really has to get their act together if they have any hope of finding this precious child. and that is tonight's "top of the block." horrifying, and i mean horrifying new developments just into hln. police have found another bone on phillip garrido's property. and cadaver dogs sit on a human scent. are human remains buried there? >> after the dog gave what is determined to be somewhat of a

tentative look at -- or tentative feel for the cadaver, we brought in the second dog and he also indicated on that particular part of the property. >> just now cops announced ground-penetrating radar confirm there is something under that spot. is it a dead body? does this terrifying den hold clues into the abduction of two little girls? plus, gruesome new photos of phillip garrido's house of hor ares. we're taking you inside to the alleged rapist and kidnappers filthy, and i mean filthy beyond come pprehension filthy layer. did they hold other children hostage in this terrifying mad house? check out what we spotted in garrido's dining room. how creepy is this? it looks like a portrait of garrido with a little girl. who is that little girl? police continue to dig through truckloads of trash, searching for bones, teeth, graves.

in this chilling interview from jail, garrido hints at the nightmares that occurred at the home. >> wait until you hear the story of what took place at this house. and you're going to be absolutely impressed. it's a disgusting pleas that took place in the beginning. but i turned my life completely around and to be able to understand, you have to start there. >> oh, really? that's a completely turned around life, that living room there. it will take days. the cops say it will provide answers. straight out to my fantastic expert panel, criminal profiler pat brown. let me ask you, what do the photos of the mind-boggling mess, just filth, disarray, gross stuff piled, dirty dishes, it goes on and on, what does that say about this man's state of mind? >> i would just say he's just not terribly interested in that aspect of his life. he's just interested in what he can control when it comes down

to little people. wh what's really frightening, did he get ahold to a couple of girls prior to jaycee who didn't cooperate like jaycee did? it takes a while -- you have to get the right kid. if the kid doesn't seem to go along with the project and object too much, you might want to get yourself another one. >> that's what's really scary. lisa bloom, they're saying that there are concrete slabs on the property, and those concrete slabs could hide the scent of human decomposition. that's why they brought in the cadaver dogs. archeological dogs who can tell whether these are very old bones from let's say a native-american burial ground or these bones are more recent. >> yeah. and if there's anybody capable of making a makeshift grave, it's phillip garrido. i mean, look at the elaborate structures of sheds and tents he had in the backyard to hide jaycee and her two daughters. and i think these photos of the home would be prima facie evidence in a court of law of child neglect if anybody knew he had kids. but what about, jane, the probation officers who were

supposed to be doing random home visits to his home? they said they did do them. they didn't go into the backyard. but even if you just went into the house and you saw that filth and the way this man was living and you saw a picture of him of a little girl -- good catch, by the way -- shouldn't that have led to more of an investigation? how did they allow this man to go unsearched for so many years? >> you know what i think, dr. dale archer, the outside of the house, and i have seen photographs of it, looks neat. the inside, obviously, just a total sty. i'm getting the feeling they didn't go in. pat role officers never went in. i'm getting the feeling this was such window dressing because the neighbors could have told them they had teenage girls there. because they went to their party. one step inside this house, as lisa just said, would show you everything that you need to know that somebody is kocuckoo for cocoa puffs and yet he's on probation for decade after decade, no problem. >> the first neighbor who called

in said he was a psychotic sex addict. she was absolutely right. we know one of the signs of psychosis is a thought disorder which was jumbled in ill logical thinking and one of this manifests itself externally with really filthy and cluttered living conditions. >> jane -- >> so this house should have been a red flag to any trained individual. >> that's what i said. i don't think they looked inside, drew. >> jane, i am going to tell you. jane, i talked about this on the show before, politicians have taken the sexual registry, which had good intent, to go after predators and track predators and they expanded it and expand td to cover false imprisonment and domestic cases -- >> but this is kidnapping of a stranger and forcible rape. >> hold it a second. but the problem is what the probation officers and parole officers that monitor people on the sexual registry are overworked. they're running around checking on people who shouldn't be on the registry. they should be looking after people like this person but they

don't have the opportunity. it's the same thing we looked at when the haleigh cummings' case first started. >> i don't buy it. and i don't think lisa bloom buys it either. >> i don't buy it. >> well, i do think they're overstretched. you can only expect so much. if we the citizens don't fund, then we're not going to get the kind of searches that we want. but in this case, this was a guy who was convicted of grabbing a stranger, a 25-year-old back in 1977, taking her to a storage area that he had constructed for the purpose of raping her, and then raped her for many hours. that's what he was convicted of. so this was a guy who should have been watched closely. and since we know he constructs special shelters for raping people, my goodness, how did they fail to check the backyard? >> the people who should be checking on him are checking on people they have no business to be checking on. if something needs to be addressed, if it's hampering law enforcement, and ultimately what happens is somebody is victimized for 19 years because politicians got in a way so they can get a few extra votes.

>> i don't -- >> i'm sorry, i'm not going to blame everything on lack of funding. that's a catch-all. everything is a lack of funding. you know what, sometimes it's a lack of brain power to put two and two together when the neighbors were doing that. >> absolutely. >> and i just think it's laziness really. it's doing the least you can do. >> jane -- >> let me say -- >> the real problem here, he should have gone to jail for life. he should have gotten life and end all of this problem. any man who steps across the line to abduct a stranger, hold her in a shed and rape her, that's it. life in prison. you don't have to worry about parole officers or go to the house or check anything out. >> i agree. >> and prioritizing cases where women and children are the victims. i think that's a factor as well. >> let me -- >> go in the house. >> let me go back to the parole officer for one second. when the parole officer was called by the quick-witted law enforcement officers who saw this guy with his teenage daughters, the university of berkeley campus, she called them

and said, you know, we've got two daughters and he's on parole. they said oh, no, he doesn't have daughters. maybe they're granddaughters. in other words, even when presented with the facts, the parole officer said, no, he doesn't have granddaughters. >> -- not making the safety of women and children a priority. he doesn't have any granddaughters. he's a convicted rapist. put two and two together and prioritize the safety of girls and women. i think that's the key factor. >> and again, we're talking about taking one step inside the house, looking around, with a complaint that's been filed and saying, oh, wow, there is something wrong here. this needs to be investigated further because one look in that house, any trained individual would have knowned there is something going on we've got to investigate. >> -- is he -- >> it'd be more work to do. >> -- all right. hang on, everybody. everybody. phillip garrido admitted to using lsd and acid, this by the way national recovery month, great time to get sober.

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