tonight, live to connecticut and the sudden disappearance of a gorgeous young ivy league doctoral stupt just before she's set down to walk down the aisle. the 24-year-old beauty's last spotted on grainy surveillance video walking into a yale research building. a false fire alarm mysteriously goes off in the building. people rush out. and annie le is never seen again. at nearly the exact hour, le set to walk down the aisle, wedding dress on a hanger in the closet, flowers ordered, the girl's body

found stuffed in a two-foot wall space. there at yale's research building. bloody clothes found high over investigators' heads behind ceiling tiles. bombshell tonight. in the early morning hours, police storm a super8 motel 30 miles away to arrest 24-year-old yale lab technician raymond clark on murder i. clark, under police surveillance 24/7 for days in the late-night hours. connecticut police opened the crime lab for emergency dna tests and, within hours, the arrest goes down. in the last hours, clark brought in full shackles to a new haven courtroom. there, for a hearing, including a reading, out loud, of formal murder charges. tonight, we confirm key card swipes placing clark at the

crime scene just before and after le is last seen alive. revealing, he goes in and out of that lab, no less than ten times. clark spending his work days cleaning cages that house experimental mice. in play tonight, multiple text messages between clark and his 90-pound victim. do they reveal motive for murder? reports clark sending murder victim le a text the very morning she's last seen alive. five days later, her body found stuffed inside a wall. clark reportedly covered with defensive wounds. also, blood evidence, including bloody surgical gloves and a bead -- a bead from le's necklace found torn from her throat on the floor of the crime scene.

cause of death? traumatic as fictioniation due to neck compression. le, manually strangled to death. and tonight, uncovered, an alleged history of stalking and harassing women. allegations from a former girlfriend claiming clark forced her to have sex then threatened her when she breaks it off no. charges ever filed. with a community and a university reeling, a family grieving, and a young groom left at the altar with a broken heart. tonight, we want justice for 24-year-old bride-to-be annie le. >> an arrest warrant was signed by the honorable judge fisher charging clark with the murder

and the death of annie le. >> -- number 15, raymond clark, iii, m. clark i read you your rights down stairs earlier in the presence of your attorneys and you understood those rights. >> -- 24 years of age was arrested at a motel in farmworth, connecticut. >> police have arrested a lab technician in the killing of yale grad student annie le. raymond clark's bond was set at $3 million. he was taken into custody in a motel near the campus. the arrest happened this morning. this after raymond clark was staying at a hotel that had been under surveillance from police. the police chief here in new haven made it clear that arrest was really hinging on dna samples being tested in the hundreds of pieces of evidence that they say they have gathered in this case. >> -- our source is out there, could be e-mails linking clark to le's murder. and from those e-mails and correspondence dealing with the

treatment of lab animals. >> -- did not enter a plea. investigators say he is the only suspect. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. at almost the exact hour gorgeous young ivy league grad student annie le set to walk down the aisle, wedding dress on the hanger in the closet, flowers ordered, the girl's body found stuffed in a wall at yale university's research building. bombshell tonight. the arrest goes down. >> based upon numerous interviews, forensic evidence and information learned, viewing video surveillance, detectives have secured the arrest warrant for clark. >> -- the man suspected of killing a yale grad student is behind bars. >> -- sirens on, road was closed, we saw him taken out in handcuffs. >> ray clark, iii, walked into a new haven courtroom. his legs were shackled and

appeared to have redness on his left eye. his bond set at $3 million. >> a very serious case. the bond set by judge fisher of $3 million is appropriate. >> -- hair, fingernails and saliva, to more than 250 pieces of evidence collected at the scene at the lab. >> we don't have any other suspects at this time. we do have a lot of evidence. we still have to analyze. >> as far as how raymond clark passed -- they worked in the same building. his job was to look after laboratory mice. >> -- say they've had their eye really on raymond clark all along. >> mr. clark, i read you your rights. you understood those rights. >> yes. >> straight out to cnn correspondent mary snow joining us there at the police station. mary, thank you for being with us. can you explain to me the details of how the arrest went

down? >> yes. nancy, tonight raymond clark is in a maximum security prison this after he was taken into custody shortly after 8:00 a.m. this morning. he was staying at a motel just about 30 miles outside of new haven. he was released on wednesday after police took him into custody after dna samples but have kept him under surveillance ever since then. police swarmed that hotel. it was without incident he was arrested and taken here to the new haven police department to be processed and then over to court, where he was arraigned. he was not obligated to enter a plea in that arraignment today. and police are saying that, because that arrest warrant was sealed the new haven police chief did not reveal details about the case, only to say that the arrest warrant was based on forensic evidence, on interviews and, also, on surveillance tape. in terms of the relationship

that young had with le, he's -- would not comment on that, as well, but only say this was a crime of workplace violence. >> that is interesting, mary snow. of course, the prosecution does not have to prove motive at trial. but, police refer to it as "workplace violence." i don't know what that means. because it's pretty rare that you manually strangle your 90-pound co-worker to death and stuff her body in the wall. any idea what he means by "workplace violence"? >> well, the police chief would not comment on reports that there had been some e-mail exchanges, this based on, according to various reports, on the condition of some of these cages that contained the mice. the police chief wouldn't comment on that at all, but that gave us some indication into some of the conditions at work.

he was a lab technician looking after mice. police describe the relationship, he was the guy who would clean cages that these lab mice, where they were held. she was a ph.d. student who did research in that laboratory in the basement of that building at yale, where her body was found on sunday. >> mary snow, what he is doing bunked up at the motel6 when he has an apartment he shares with his fiancee just a few miles away? >> police had went into -- had gone into his apartment when he was taken into custody. they had been searching through that apartment and had executed two search warrants even yesterday. why he was at that motel, you know, police had said after they released him that he was free to do but tha him under surveillance. >> joining me right now al johns with 1010 radio, in court hours ago, clark, raymond clark, the

lab technician charged in murder i in connection with the death of a 24-year-old graduate student annie le, al jones, what happened in court, is the bail set and is that a tattoo i see on his arm? >> it's a tattoo on both arms. it was a strange court appearance as you can imagine. connecticut courts like most courts usually drag out this was a very quick affair. they cleared the courtroom, took out all the traffic violation people. they brought in all the reporters. we all got a seat and within a matter of ten minutes they brought in raymond clark there. was also a camera and microphones in the courtroom, this for a first appearance. now, clark was wearing a striped polo shirt, bare arms, kay keys, no belt and chain irons. in fact, we could hear the irons clanking as he came walking into the courtroom, that was about the only sound. we couldn't really see any marks on his arms, of course the shirt would block them anywhere else there. was a noticeable bruise on his face. clark really had his head down

throughout the three-minute proceeding said almost nothing except to acknowledge he did understand his rights. bail set at $3 million and he will be back on october 6th. >> al jones, it's my understanding that he has already given a statement to police and now if this is correct he's locked into this, by the way, that he blames the defensive wounds, to my understanding, bruises and scratches on the arms, the chest, the bare chest, the back, under the right eye, there's, also, bruises, scratches and abrasions. he's blaming all that on his three cats and injuries from a recent softball game. have you heard those reports? >> he did play softball on sunday. in fact, police surveillance teams were on him at the time. they had sent a narcotics unit to follow him since sunday. narcotics units, as you know are covert by nature. on sunday they were doing it by cover and they did seeing him baseball. he did go to a local fair, did

normal sunday things. no word of any cats and neighbors didn't know how many cats he had in his apartment. >> al jones, is it true that, at this jailhouse, i know mary referred to it as maximum security but, is it true that he has access to yoga classes, poetry classes, dance classes, a whole list of amenities, al? do we have that list, norm? >> i'm not sure what he's -- what he has at his disposal. it is a higher level of jail than say the local correctional center. >> -- step aerobics, sculpture, dance, poetry, foreign language. what about it? let's quickly unleash the lawyers, we are taking your calls live, susan maus, john burris, michael mazarello, susan moss, step aerobics, yoga, did you hear that? >> i don't know whether it's some sort of club med or a

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they indicate he was last to see her alive. >> -- the 24-year-old le was strangled to death -- >> what happened here could have happened anywhere. it says more about the dark side of the human soul than it does about anything else. >> straight back to al jones, report reporter in court today when clark appeared in full shackle for an out loud reading of charges on murder i. so, you got a look at him in his khaki pants and nice looking polo shirt. what do the tattoos say on either arm. >> really didn't say anything. more of a herringbone encircling his arms. there was nothing spelled out or spelled out there. he had a dazed look on his face. >> what do you mean? >> herringbone like thing today nal in a pattern sort of like a sport coat but around his arm.

>> so going around just below the elbow. >> a band between your elbow and shoulder. >> what, to like show off his muscles? >> if you like that kind of thing, yes. >> okay. good to know. we are taking your calls but first to gene ka sar russ. i want to find out about two things right now. what can you tell me about this former girlfriend that states he terrorized her and harassed her, made her have forced sex, that's rape, okay. everybody keeps saying forced sex. that is rape. no charges ever filed, number one. and, number two, i want to find out about these e-mails between him and the murder victim. what do you know on either of those two topics? >> all right, number one, nancy, the incidents you're talking about, 2003, raymond clark was in high school, he had a girlfriend. she wanted to break up with him.

he retaliated by writing on her locker. the police were called in. the school called them. end of incident. but then she and her mother went to the police station and she told the police that they were boyfriend and girlfriend but he forced theory have sex that. is what you equating with sexual assault, rape. she would not fill out an affidavit so it was case closed before it even began but she has reportedly when she saw he was a suspect she relived that 2003 incident. >> i wanted to find out about thee e-mails that went back and forth between the 90-pound victim, annie le and this guy now charged with murder i, what do you know about the e-mails? >> it is reported the text messages or e-mails had maybe two different subject matters. one being that he, who maintained the cages and the animals was upset at her, annie le, because she was leaving her cage in disorder or dirty or not in the condition that he wanted the cage left in.

most importantly was it is reported there was a text message the morning of the day she went missing asking her to meet with him at the lab, that they were going to meet together. >> okay thamplsts is evidenced by the key cardiac ses code. >> i want to talk about those swipes, everybody you are seeing photos of raymond clark we obtained from myspace. thomas kaplan, with us from the beginning. thomas, welcome. i want to talk about those swipe cards. putting him in and out of the building. no less, maybe more than ten times in those crucial hours including after work. >> so, it does appear that the record from these swipe cards are sort of a crucial piece of evidence in this case. to get anywhere in this building, this is a new building, you need to swipe the i.d. and a computer system records where you go. so, that's how the investigators can tell who was where and when. >> thomas kaplan, isn't it true he was going into rooms he typically had no business in? >> that is what some reports have said, yes, indeed.

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early this morning, police say dna evidence came back and it set off a sequence of events. >> raymond j. clark, iii, 24 years of age -- was arrested for the murder in the death of annie le. >> the warrant signed, booked into the police department and already in front of a judge. she was strangled to death in the lab where she worked. clark, who also worked there charged with doing it and trying to hide her body behind a wall in the lab's basement. >> two key pieces of evidence

that could definitively link clark to the scene and possibly to the crime itself. >> detectives looked at some 700 hours of video surveillance from inside and around the building, including a camera showing le -- >> we are taking your calls out to winnifred in nevada. hi. >> caller: hi, nancy. >> thank you for calling in. what's your question, dear. >> caller: i've watched you since were you in georgia with your hair on top of your head. >> i only wish i could still put my hair on top of my hair but i hardly have time to deal with it. >> caller: i love your babies. i'm older than your mother and love to watch your family. my question is isn't it possible he threatened her in those text messages, that's why she rushed over there quickly and left all of her belongings in her apartment? >> that is an excellent question, because she did leave all her belongings behind but, jean, i thought she left all her belongs behind at another office. >> she did. she did leave it at the other office.

but, nancy, this is so interesting, it goes with winnifred's question. the president of yale university said in the upcoming weeks they are going to promote yale's zero tolerance policy for violent, threatening and abusive behavior. he linked those three words together. we know the violence is there. she was murdered by somebody. but, threatening and abusive? >> you know, winnifred in nevada may be on to something. jean, when do you expect the nature of these text messages to be released? i know that they were confronting her about her so-called treatment of the mice, in other words, cleaning or not cleaning the cages and keeping them clean. >> well, you know, nancy, they are keeping so much close to the vest, as you said, last friday, which was the second day on your show of this case and they said that there was no evidence of foul play and it's gone on from there, so i don't expect those text messages to be released anytime soon. >> you know, dr. bethany following up on winnifred's question and what jean told us and reported, so many times in

the workplace, especially women but people are afraid to speak out. if somebody's harassing you or threatening you just like his alleged first victim didn't want to press charges. he raped her, according to her. she didn't want to press charges. then vannalized her locker for everybody to see. but, it was all dropped, all swept under the rug. so many times in the workplace, you're afraid if you say something about how you're being treated, you'll the one that's penalized, you'll be the one that's blackballed. >> it's true to follow up on what winnifred said was he guiltying her about the mice and she rushes over to make sure the cages are okay. i think when he said maybe you're neglecting the mice, maybe he was saying you are going to get married and leave me behind and that's neglecting me so i'm going to kill you. >> back to the lawyers -- john burris, what about it? he's already spoken to police to some extent. now he's locked into those statements. >> well, that's true, se locked

into the statement, depending on the questions that have been asked of him. i think from a defense point of view, you really have to kind of go slow here, you've got to wait because you don't really know what the evidence is. there's a lot of dna evidence but you don't know where that dna evidence is coming from, whether it really links him, any direct evidence or not from a defense point of view this is really a question of making sure you cover your bases but don't go too quickly because you don't know what he said or what evidence they have. from my point of view, you have to be careful here because you just don't really know and what your defense is going to be right at this moment. >> you know, isn't that ironic, micha michael, veteran trial lawyer what burris is saying is absolutely true, it clenches my stomach but it's true because what he's saying, michael let's wait and see what the state's got before we come up with our defense. let's don't commit to anything right now, because in the end, we may have to go with something like insanity if the evidence is too strong. if it's not that strong we'll

come up with some other who did it. >> what they already have is a written statement which you're absolutely right, nancy, he's locked into that statement. try -- >> come on, his cat dit, what was his cat doing on his back on his bare chest. >> maybe the baseball slide while he was playing softball. he had all those scratches on his chest sliding into home plate. it's ridiculous. he's going to go to jail for his life. >> put michael up again, please. here's the problem with that. if he claims he was injured at the softball game they can bring in first base, second base, thirtd base shortstop, pitcher, catcher to say, no, i don't remember a ball hitting him or him sliding into any of the bases. >> if it's under the shirt, nancy -- >> -- a liar on something as inkwengs as a softball game. >> nancy, if he has raspberrys under his shirt, no be would see that. they have the detectives, narcotic agents watching him at the time and probably have photographs of it. if he didn't slide, he's done, nancy, he's absolutely done. making that statement without an

attorney present was mistake number one. >> out to bill livitan fromral leigh, north carolina, an expert se. the prosecution apparently has him going in and out, in and out, in and out obsessively even in areas where he's not supposed to be according to our sources even into that basement. he did have access there. but, around the time all of this was happening. how does that technology work? >> well, that's pretty standard, nancy. you see that -- that's a very mature technology. you see that on credit cards. it's just magnetic strips even if you check into a hotel and get a electronic keycard simply a database is created for you in the security and in that -- when you swipe your mag netic card i simply sends your identification information back to the security

database, which checks to see if you're authorized to enter that area. and that was done ahead of time. if you are, the door unlocks. this is not technology that can be lawyered, if you want to call it that. it's very secure. >> well, unless they have cameras, they could easily argue that his swipe card was missing or stolen. there's all sorts of ways to get around that. but, there's a little problem of alleged dna evidence. to woody tripp, former police commander joining us from the atlanta jurisdiction, woody, what about the fact that you could claim some type of accident regarding those bloody clothes if it is, in fact, the victim's blood, if it's the defendant's blood, you can claim all sorts of things about it to explain it away. innocently. but, the fact that it was then hidden up above the investigators' heads, behind the ceiling tiles, if it had been an innocent accident that caused blood on the clothing, it wasn't

her clothing. she was dressed in her clothes that she's spotted in on that photo we keep showing. but now that it's hidden, that gives it a nefarious interpretation, woody. >> absolutely, it does. and i don't know of anyone that's going to hide their clothes that are bloodied in a ceiling tile or anywhere else if it's an accident, it's an accident. you don't hide your clothes. >> what do you make of this guy, you've seen the photos all but, clearly works out, the tattoos, accentuating his arm muscles, his guns, so to speak. what do you make of this guy, the victim was a 90-pound asian woman and, i've learned, that he was a member of an asian appreciation club. >> i find that very interesting. and certainly, we know that many times, you know, in the asian culture, they are sub servant to males manys times, females are. there is a rage there. there is a very controlling and absolutely from everything that we've learned about him, there's definitely, you can see it.

he's definitely very focused. >> to wesley tact joining us tonight, a friend of the murder suspect, raymond clark, iii, everyone you are seeing private video of annie le in 2005 from abc's "good morning, america" leslie, you are a friend of raymond clark's. what do you make of all this? [ inaudible ] i believe i have wesley with me. are you there? >> yes, i am. hello. >> hi, wesley, thank you for being with us. does all of this come as a huge surprise to you? were there any hints in his personality? >> uh, no, i can't say that there were. he was always perfectly social to me. he never said a cross word to me a bit of a hell-raiser in elementary school but nothing out of the ordinary. >> what was he like in high school? how would you describe him and were you aware of that incident with his high school girlfriend? >> um, towards me, like i said,

he never indicated any sort of violent tendencies. um, i was aware of a rumor, an unsubstantiated rumor, that he had had an altercation with a prior girlfriend. i didn't think anything of it at the time. [ telephone rings ] [ ring ] [ "catch the wind" plalays ]

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>> an arrest warrant was signed by the honorable judge fisher charging clark for the murder in the death of annie le. >> from the moment we first saw him in the back of that cop car, people have been wondering who is raymond clark. we know he worked in the building where annie le did research and where her body was

found. >> mr. clark has been a lab technician at yale since december 2004. his supervisor reports that nothing in the history of his employment here gave any indication that his involvement in such a crime might be possible. >> straight out to dr. michael bell, palm beach county chief medical examiner, thank you for being with us. we know she was extremely petite, weighing in at only 90 pounds. but, how could you stuff a human body into a two-foot table spac space? >> you'd be surprised what you can fit a body into. i've seen them stuffed into suitcases. even smaller metal containers so. while it's unusual, it's far from rare. >> and what do you make of the formal, the official cause of death that it's finally been released, the traumatic as

fictioniation. how is that different from any other strain gull lation? >> you know, it's interesting the way it's worded, because usually i reserve those terms for deaths that are due to like neck holds, bar holds, rather than manual strangulation. usually if it's a strangulation, i call ate strangulation. >> back to wesley tack joining us tonight, special guest friend of raymond clark iii, suspect in this murder case. thank you for being with us. you could, in your own words, describe raymond clark's personality? >> um, raymond was somewhat reserved in high school. a little on the quiet side. not so much that it would put you off. um, he was always friendly towards me. he was a good artist. i remember he was very neat, very fastidious. he had very neat penmanship. he was very well groomed.

but, nothing really stood out about his personality that would really put you off. i remember -- >> go ahead. >> i do remember that, when -- when in a heated baseball game, he might occasionally lose his temper but no more so than any other athlete i've seen on fields, so -- >> what do you know, wesley tack, about him being a member of the asian appreciation club? >> the asian awareness club. >> okay. >> the asian awareness club was part of -- was a part of cultural diversity at high school and it was a club that promoted tolerance and understanding of asian cultures in the school. >> hmmm. and what prompted him to be a member of that club? >> i couldn't venture a guess. um, i think it was mostly because he had friends who were asian. >> everyone, you are seeing high school photos that we have obtained of raymond clark, iii. with us, wesley tack, a friend

of his at that time. and through the years. we are taking your calls live to janice in oklahoma. hi, janice. >> caller: hi, nancy. i love your show and i think it's wonderful how you speak for people whose voices have been silenced. >> janice, i really, really appreciate you saying that. what is your question, dear? >> caller: my question is, if he's been possessive with other women, could it be that was stalking annie le quite a while before he killed her? >> excellent question. dr. bethany marshall out of l.a., what about it, bethany? >> i think that's a great likelihood and i think in the face -- possibility in the face of her impending wedding there was a built-up unbarable distress, homicidal rage and key only neutralize that by killing her. the idea of the wedding made her feel that he could no longer control the victim, that she was rejecting him and that in fantasy they had a special relationship and when you go back to the cages, he's the one that was supposed to keep the

cages clean, not her. so, he's making this accusation that she's neglecting the mice. maybe he feels she's neglecting him in his own crazy little way. >> back to the lawyers, susan moss, john burris, michael mazerello, susan would you have expected to see in a sex assault those charges today or do you think it depends on further lab testing? >> i think it's going to depend on further lab testing and the dna. they still can bring more than a more charges to this guy but if his dna on this yaly, you can bet he'll spend his life in jaily. the science is so good now if there was a sexual assault we'll know about it through the dna evidence. >> what about it, john burris. >> that's probably true. it wouldn't surprise me they are able to come up with that in a very near future. he's going to be charged with murder i, it sounds to me. >> what? >> then the question is -- >> did you say he's not going to be charged with murder i? >> no, i said he will charged with murder i, given the evidence that we have f. you had

add another charge i don't know that it matters that much unless you want to go to the death penalty, which i don't know if connecticut has that. certainly the more important question is the murder and the defense has got to deal with that. sexual assault or not. >> michael mazerello there, is a death penalty in connecticut and i imagine what they're doing right now, if there had been any semen on or about her body, i mean, she a fiance, they've got to do a dna comparison there to determine the origin of that. >> absolutely. and if he has no priors but it's certainly a death penalty-eligible case due to the violence and if she was sexually assaulted, that makes it even worse, a jury is just not going to like to hear that, that's for sure. >> jean, what about the d. in connecticut? >> right, they have it. in order to be eligible for it or life in prison without the possibility of parole you have to have special circumstances

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dna samples being tested, hundreds of pieces of evidence that they say they have gathered in this case. >> -- our sources out there, there could be e-mails linking clark to le's murder. from those e-mails and correspondence dealing with the treatment of lab animals. >> he did not enter a plea. investigators say he is the only suspect. >> this is not about university crime. it's not about domestic crime but about initial workplace violence which is becoming a growing concern around the country. >> out to the lines, janice in oklahoma. hi, janice janice, are you with me? hold on. sally sue, missouri. hi, sally sue. >> caller: hi. >> hi, dear. what's your question? >> caller: love your show. how's the twins doing? >> they are keeping mommy up all night. that's how they are doing but

they are happy and healthy, praise the lord. >> caller: that's g. i was just wondering how he got her in that wall and what kind of wall it was. >> to thomas kaplan, isn't it a two-foot spot for cable wires? >> it is. it's a shaft that runs from floor to floor so that the cables can go to each floor of the building. >> dr. michael bell i'm going to have to go back to you although were you a little vague when i asked you the first time. you started talking about suitcases. how can you get a human body in a 24-inch space? >> well, she is rather petite. i believe under 5', less than 100 pounds. >> yes. >> you just keep pushing and pushing until it fits. >> okay. everyone, let's stop and remember army sergeant randy hainey, 27 orlando, florida on a third tour loved snow boarding, restoring his honda civic, studying tstudy ing tae quan do.

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tonight -- the life of an accused killer learning more about the 24-year-old lab tech accruesed of brutally murdering annie le, seems he was living two lives. some say he was friendly and nice but others describe a darker side to this accused killer. neighbors say he controlled his fiance and ex-girlfriend reportedly claimed he forced her to have sex with him against her will although charges were never filed. co-workers say clark took his job very seriously and sources reportedly say he complained that le had left several lab cages dirty. could this have led to her murder? did customerial clark see himself as lord of the lab?

and turning the tables on a liar. the hofstra co ed who made up a story being gang raped finds herself under the hot lights of the media. she railroaded these men with the fictitious tally of rape now her turn to be scrutinized. why are prosecutors trying to protect her i'd tee plastering pictures and names of the accused rapists all over the media. plus brace yourself for the very first look inside phillip garrido's house of horrors. more than 100 new pictures just released of this disgusting hellhole, a first-hand look at what police say was jaycee dugard's nightmare, a complete dump, garbage everywhere. what insight sdo this give us to the sick mind of accused rapist? "sish shoes" starts now. a slew of new developments into the investigation of the grisly investigation of the murder of

beautiful bride-to-be, annie le. the "new york daily news" reporting a trail of shocking physical evidence against raymond clark, iii, charged with punching and then strangling annie le, the "daily news" reports state dna tests prove, this is from them, her blood is on clark's boots which, bizarrely, had his name on them. the paper also says annie's dna and hair were found on raymond's body. the "news" adds raymond clark's special green pen which he used to distinguish himself from his co-workers also allegedly found in the lab basement after it fell into a crevasse. you will not believe how he allegedly tried to retrieve the pen. the "daily news" reports clark returned to work the next day with a backpack that contained wire, fishing hooks, and chewing gum to try to fish out the pen that got stuck in the crevasse. does this guy think he's

mcgyver. meanwhile -- claiming interrogating a possible second lab worker, all of this as a chilling portrait of clark as, a quote, control freak at work, is coming into sharp relief. as for clark' high school buddies, they're not having any of it. they came to his defense last night on larry king. >> raymond clark is ray-ray. i shouldn't even refer to him as raymond clark. ray-ray. he's now the -- as of right now, the suspect in the annie le slaying at yale. >> right. >> this is not the raymond clark they know. and, honestly, at the time being, i can't say that i believe he's guilty. >> ray-ray, is that his nickname? tonight's big issue, a theory we proposed right here on "issues" did raymond clark fancy himself lord of the lab? we'll investigate what some say was his need to be in charge. i am taking your phone calls.

but first straight out to my fantastic expert panel drew findling, atlanta criminal defense attorney, lisa bloom cnn legal analyst and yale university law school graduate. pat brown, criminal profiler and ceo of the pat brown criminal profiling agency. dr. dale a cher, clinical psychiatrist. brian santoro, who has known clark. ryan hang in there i'll be right with you but first randi kay, cnn correspondent on the ground in connecticut. you have information how they tracked raymond clark? tell us about it. >> i do, jane. we got to talk with a source today who has very good knowledge of this investigation, is very close to it. he told me they have been tracking raymond clark since before annie le's body was even found. he raised their suspicion when they saw him after viewing about 700 hours of videotape from the lab building security camera. they noticed him, i'm told, on that video walking out of the

building after someone, possibly him, i'm told, pulled the fire alarm the day of the murder. they saw him on that videotape walking out of the building with his head in his hands looking especially distraught. i can also tell you tonight that they -- the same source with knowledge of the investigation is also telling me that they did confirm that the victim's dna was found on raymond clark's body. >> wow. okay. the victim's dna . now, i've got to get my head around that. lisa bloom, the victim's dna allegedly found on raymond clark's body. but it was a while between when she disappeared and then was found and when they finally picked him up and i remember asking the question when they cuffed him, well, wouldn't he have had ample opportunity to wash his hands? >> he's got a problem, jane. according to one report that i've seen, he told police initially that he didn't even see her on the day that she disappeared. so, he's stuck with that story.

he can't change it and say, oh, well, i can explain my dna was on her because we hugged, we said hello. i gave her a kiss on the cheek. in the course of my lab work, i cut myself and i bled on her. all that is out. if, indy, he made that statement, he didn't see her that day. so, i think of if all this dna evidence is true it's over for him. it doesn't matter the motive, it's over, no good explanation for it. >> ryan santoro, you knew raymond clark and hung out with him. is the raymond clark that you know snerchlts i wouldn't necessarily say i hung out with him. i haven't seen him for about six years. we played baseball from between 12 to 18 years old. we're both the same age. >> okay you hung out with him from 12 to 18 years old with all due respect. >> that's okay. >> it's a slow game and last as long time. but go ahead. >> yeah, it's definitely not the ray i know -- or knew. absolutely not. a lot of me and my teammates

were definitely shocked over what's going on. >> i'm going to read some information here and get your reaction he allegedly sent le e-mails criticizing her lax e-mail when it came her handling of the mice and other issues now hilg chilling descriptions of his behavior with co orders worker and now hear he may have fancied himself lord of the lab. -- it was, quote, his need to be in charge. they described him, abc news quotes a co-worker who called him a control freak, very officious and very demanding. so, ryan santoro, you played ball with him. does that match the person you knew? >> not really. he just played the game competitively and went out and played hard. i wouldn't necessarily see him being as a control freak or anything along those lines. but then again, you know, those are -- like you said, they're all theories so when it comes down to it, i think the facts need to play themselves out.

but, in the long run, it's definitely not the person i knew and a lot of people change from when they turn 18 to 24. so, i -- >> well, that's for sure. sometimes, the ones who seem like the most clean-cut end up being the kids that you've got to watch out for and sometimes the ones that look like they're trouble end up being the pussycats, you know, you can never tell. >> jane one small point a lot of guys who commit acts of violence against women are very friendly with male friends. we are not seeing any exgirlfriends coming out of the woodwork saying what a great guy se. >> no, as a matter of fact dr. dale archer an ex-girlfriend according to reports i cannot confirm allegedly called cops when she tried to break up with him when they were back in high school. and, according to that police report, she reportedly said that he forced her at one point to have sex against her will, although no charges were ever filed, because she continued the relationship for a while. >> yeah. i think that you will often see that with an abusive individual,

that lisa is exactly right. they are very, very friendly and seem totally normal to their male friends but with their girlfriends when the controlling nature really comes to the front. but, i really think that what we have here is not the fact that he was a lab control freak or that he was efficient or demanding. we all know efficient or demanding people that can be very good at their job. i still stand by the point this was unrequited love. >> me, too. >> and 90% of america has suffered unrequited love. we've actually done psychiatric studies on this and know how horrible it. >> come on, i've suffered unrequited love. i didn't luj jon somebody, i suffered it several times. i just made a fool of myself, that's all i did. >> well, most of us go through it then we're sad and wiser and say, just because i love somebody doesn't mean they will love me but somebody right on the edge this stress can be enough to tip them over the edge. >> jane -- >> -- for a second. >> jane, i think. >> let's look at the whole page.

has anybody here not suffered unrequited love, raise your hand. okay, so, everybody has suffered it. all right so. that's -- i mean, i understand what you're saying but that's no excuse. >> no. jane, i think owe over. >> that's very important, though, it's not an excuse but for somebody already right to that edge, this stress can be enough to tip them over the edge. i think that he went down in that lab not to murder her but to profess his love to her with hope against hope that she was going to reciprocate to him and, when she did not, he absolutely snapped. this was a passionate and brutal and emotional murder. there were fabrics of the cloth found deep inside her neck t. takes five minutes to strangle somebody so this was very emotional in nature. and love is the strongest human emotion and when it's not returned in a person that's already on the edge, this can be the result. >> you know, jane, i think we're -- >> -- one second, we're going to take a break. thank you so much for updating us on this story. all right more on the brutal

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manual control plus deep cleaning power. the oral-b pulsar. in 2003, in high school, there was an altercation where ray became involved in that girl and whether it came physical or not, i do not know the extent of that. >> you know, he never was arrested or anything like that. but, it just -- it just didn't -- it just seemed like there was a problem within the relationship and, you know, it was something between them two. >> in 2003, raymond clark's high school girlfriend filed a police report after what she says was forced sex. listen to what ray's neighbor had to say about his current

relationship. >> i could just tell he was controlling over his girlfriend. and anytime she tried to talk to me, he would just say, let's go, hurry up. i didn't know him that well but what i did know about him, he was -- i did hear them yelling upstairs, mostly him yelling at hires girlfriend. >> this current jennifer pictured with raymond on the cbs.com website recently made headlines last year she shot down rumors of an alleged affair between raymond and a co-worker at the lab on her myspace page and a mountain of evidence coming in. randi kaye, cnn correspondents thanks for sticking around. you said you had new information to give us. >> our source with pretty good knowledge of this investigation, jane, told me how they tracked raymond clark and eventually arrested him. turns out they were tracking him from even before annie le's body was found. they actually went to his parents home, which is about 24 miles away from the yale campus where i am right now and then,

on sunday, the day that the body was found, jane, he was playing softball and detectives were in the bleachers, in the stands watching him play softball, keeping and eye on him. then, of course, we know they went to his apartment and demanded the dna samples, saliva sample and one from under his fingernails, as well and eventually tracked him down at that super8 motel also about 25 miles or so from here and made the arrest, which is really interesting here is that they say at first they didn't want him to know they were tracking him and that they were on his trail but then eventually, they did want him to. they were almost baiting him, walking around making sure their badges were displayed when they were walking around his apartment, hoping really almost playing a mind game hoping he would come out and talk to them, maybe even confess. >> wow. fascinating stuff. pat brown, i am always stunned when they say somebody who is suspected of a horrific crime goes and does something like play softball. i mean, that's chilling, if he did this. >> it's a little creepy, yes.

but, jane, i want to go back to this unrequited love thing. i'm happy with what i hear because i've been angry all about this he killed the girl over some dirty cages, that's just ridiculous. >> thank you. >> the unrequited thing is not unrequited love but why can't i get the cheerleader. in other words, i'm kind of not the most successful guy in the world, six years out of high school cleaning rat cages and i have this girl in front of me a knock-out girl, annie le is stunningly beautiful brill lantly educated why can't i get that girl, why is she marrying somebody else they believe they deserve that, entitled to that and if a woman doesn't respond to them when they want that woman, then it's an insult to me, how dare you turn me down. you make me feel like a little girl. >> remember he was a member of the asian awareness club in high school. >> right. >> and she's vietnamese-american. rachel in florida, your question or thought, ma'am. >> caller: yes, hi, jane. i was wondering, what exactly --

have they questioned his fiancee or talked to them? they are talking to his high school and friends but have they talked to his fiancee, what exactly is she saying. >> i'm sure, lisa bloom, they've interviewed her. first of all she wornlgd at the lab along with his brother-in-law and sister. >> i'm sure they have tried to. she may have refused to cooperate. remember, the people that we're seeing on tv are the people who have agreed to give media interviews but not the same group that have talked to the police. so, she may very well have given a police interview. she certainly has not spoken to the media yet. i'm sure all the morning show bookers are circling her house trying to get that interview with her but so far has kept her mouth shut. >> another huge developments wtic reporting cops are interrogating another lab employer in this murder. here's what police said when questioned yesterday about other possible suspects. >> are you saying there t is possible there could be more arrests? >> well, you never know where evidence will take you. i don't have any reason to believe that. but, as i told you before, we

don't have tunnel vision here. >> all right. and we just mentioned raymond clark's fiancee, sister and brother-in law all work in that same animal testing lab. none reportedly has been inside the building since clark's arrest. again the "new york daily news" reporting clark spent an hour with annie le's lifeless body before he left. drew finded ling, the big question, what he did do during that hour? obviously they could find out if he made phone calls looking for help disposing the body. >> clearly they'll put a time period or time line together to see whether or not he was text messaging or making phone calls during that period of time and obviously make the allegation during that period of time, if they believe deit, which they do, that he was trying to secret away the evidence of the crime. that's -- that's fairly obvious they are going to allege that. jane, i want to say i feel compelled to say there is a lot of conjecture of him living and this and that a psychopathic comment was made.

i can tell you right now defense attorneys would be remiss not to look into psychological/psychiatric issues remember not necessarily talking about insanity but you have to anticipate as a defense attorney and the public defenders will mitigation. if you are slammed by dna, you have to start thinking about it and, as the -- >> yeah, except -- >> as doctor -- >> -- when he hides her body in a wall. >> and guess what. >> this sounds like premeditated murder to me. >> as doctor archer -- >> the president of yale says there is nothing in his history that leads us to believe he could be capable of murder, so. >> i doubt the president of yale is spending time with willard over here. >> let's not insult the animals while we are talking about this, they suffer a lot in those tests. >> i think ben was it -- >> whatever. >> -- so often manifest themselves in the early 20s. >> oh, please. >> jane, you make a good point about the animals, by the way there. what us a good ""new york times"

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the accuser's boyfriend told the "new york post" when he saw her sunday morning she looked like she just finished hot sex. the woman told her boyfriend she was raped but reluctant to call police, hint, hint. back with lisa bloom, cnn legal analyst. would we ever know the truth if there weren't a cell phone video of this incident that one attorney said looked like a porno, not a rape? >> we wouldn't know it as soon as we know it and now we know conclusively she was not raped. similar to the duke case but took a year and a half to be exonerated and some say they will never get their reputation back. somebody who cares passionately about rape victims it hurts me to say it but she should be prosecuted for bringing false charges. these men did nothing wrong and shouldn't have their named dragged through the mud and frankly doesn't help legitimate victims making a false claim. >> absolutely not. this is their worst-case scenario. we have to ask why police acted so hastilily in this case.

it is' not like they are ant aware of the history of false accusations in some other cases. you just mentioned, lisa, 2006, three duke lacrosse players falsely accused of rape bay stripper. charges against them eventually dropped, prosecutor mike niphong disbarred for pursuing the case even though he had no evidence a rape occurred. even before that 1987 i covered a case, a 15-year-old claimed she had been raped by a group of men. reverend al sharpton became a crusader for her but eventually there was no evidence she was ever raped. so, they know this can happen and yet they just put their photos and names all over the media. >> well, that's right. and they shouldn't do that. but we have to be clear that there are about the same number of false claims of rape as for other crimes. i've read two or three percent. same for theft, same for property crimes so. let's not get crazy and assume all claims are false or even 50% are false. >> no. >> of course law enforcement

should take every claim seriously but shouldn't drag people's names through the mud without substantial evidence. >> lisa, my problem with this, the prosecutor said in her news conference that, as soon as they started talking to her they could tell something fishy in denmark and this story had a lot of holes, inconsistencies, how come the cops didn't pick up on those before they held their news conference announcing all these arrests? >> well, you are absolutely right. i mean, that's a huge drop of the ball by law enforcement and the prosecutors. i think we should be more care envelope this country when charges are announced not to attack people or drag people through the mud. i know, jane, you are always careful to say allegedly and remind people of the presumption of innocence. when there is not strong evidence from the beginning, we have to be very careful how we talk about these things because it's very hard. >> absolutely. >> -- one these claims are made for somebody to get their reputation back. >> got to leave it right there. absolutely right. you know her as the host of hln's "morning express" rob bine meade revealing a whole new side in her book. how she conquered her demons. portions

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express" did with former president george h.w. bush, all the more reason to be shocked. there she is with the former pres. shocked robin meade reveals in her new book that panic attacks almost caused her on-camera career to collapse. jump out of that plane, robin! 3, 2, 1, there you go. wow. that's a person who lacks self-confidence. robin writes about her ordeal in stunning detail so others can learn how she battled panic attacks and won. her amazing book "morning sunshine" how to radiate confidence and feel it, too, we had a very revealing conversation about her struggles. robin, welcome. i read your book and i really loved it. i want to congratulate you, first of all, having the courage to honestly discuss a problem others might want to keep secret. why have you decided to tell this very personal story about your battle with your insecurities? >> yeah. you know what, for a long time, i kept it secret, too.

and it did no service to me to keep it under wraps and for me the book is about my story and the way i dealt with panic attacks and anxiety really debilitating panic attacks. but it's under the umbrella of self-confidence, because who among us has not had some issue with self-confidence? so, i wrote this book, i didn't want people to like buy a book and walk away and go, i didn't learn anything from her. >> it's really revealing. >> i think it's funny sometimes in that i'm really put out there stuff maybe you wouldn't normally hear from a news anchor like all my weird near roseses, like the things on i have to have on my bedstand at night. >> that's what i liked bit, it revealed so much they say you can save your face or save your hiney. i guess you chose to save your hiney. you lead what many consider a charmed life. i read it and, wow, she was homecoming queen, face it every girl dreams of that and miss

ohio, that has to be a huge validation but seems as one who had it all but as they say happiness is an inside job and we can't compare with what's on the inside with what's on the outside but why such a disparity between what was the appearance and what was happening inside? >> yeah, so, i think na my panic attacks and anxiety manifested themselves physically after a lifetime of really making my value, to me my value was whether someone liked me. so, someone didn't like me and kint make you like me, then i was of no value to myself. now, isn't that the weirdest thing? in other words, i was putting everyone else's opinion about me on a pedestal above may own opinion of myself. so, myself worth was whether they liked me or not so whereas a lot of people go self-esteem is about how you feel about how you look, it wasn't that for me but whether i could win you over and what i could do to make you like me, that was my power or where i was powerless. >> one of my favorite parts of the book, embracing your inner

bitch. i say that because it's in here. >> jane velez-mitchell, we can say that, okay? >> i love it, i love it. >> i haven't been able to say this on a tv show yet. so, i think when it comes to self-confidence and really feeling self-esteem so, many of us will dismiss little parts of ourselves that we don't want to embrace and just want to say, you know, that's really not a part of me. for me i wanted to than pollee-anna, apparently to make you like me. therefore, i would push away the bitchy part of me and conceal that bitchy part of me. i don't mean you should fly around on a broom and zap your neighbor. we have parts that aren't likable and keep away from the public my husband has to deal with it at home, right. he has to deal with all sides. but i am saying i think in order to be really confident and have self-esteem, all of us need to embrace all those parts of our personalities we would rather hide away so. you know what is like being nice anyway? so many of us women, i think, are like we should be nice. well, i think you should be

helpful to people and kind. but, what is nice? where is that going to get you anyway. embrace the bitch, let's go an an bitch recognition campaign. >> i'm embracing my inner bitch right now, watch out people. i'm not a people pleaser anymore. >> there you go. it's tough i think a lot of people are people pleasers i've fallen in that category. jane you admitted you fall in that category. that is what you call self-confidence president on the back of my book dee pock chopra wrote something that really touched the heart of the issue self-esteem comes from within. self-confidence is what you get from other people but self-esteem is right there, nobody can touch it. >> right. it's ego-based to seek approval from people is ego-based and to be of service to people is for the about your ego but helping others. i have to tell you, i read your book and did one of the exercises because like you i have problems and you say if you find out how your problem is benefiting you and you write it down, then you can get rid of

that problem. i took a problem i have which i won't share and i wrote down three pages of how i was benefited. at first, i thought just like you, i'm not benefiting. well, no, i was. i am -- every problem we have on some subconscious level we're getting something out of it. otherwise, we'd let it government i thought was brilliant. >> thank you it is a real mind flip if you can tell yourself this thing i really hate and it is such a big, you know, mountain of a problem in my life is really a benefit to me. so, for me, these panic attacks i had them about ten years ago on the air no less. i'm supposed to be a news anchor journalist with the voice of information and i could barely breathe for some reason. i started having these panic attacks not stage fright. but panic attacks, because i wanted to be perfect and wanted the audience to like me and if i screwed up, oh, no, i might lose my job. i had to do a mind flip and think how are these panic attacks of benefit to me? well, they don't. they suck. but, i had to make my mind go, well, the panic attacks will

make you examine why are you thinking this way that led to your body to manifest an anxiety attack or, you know what, i wanted to find out what was wrong with my body so i started eating good and started exercising. so, therefore, i had to come full circle and go, you know what, these are a benefit to me. you face your fear it's no longer your fear. >> i love it and i tell everybody out there, read this book you will get something out of it. and do the exercises, like i did and you'll help eliminate some of your problems. robin meade so, great to talk to you. thank you so much for joining me. it was really great, exhilarating and i love the fact we both love to talk about our problems, girlfriend. >> and on that note, look at jane's new book, as well "i want." >> thank you so much. right back at you. great interview, back to the harsh reality of our show, shocking twist in the hey leigh cummings case. now cops questioning him about hey leigh's disappearance and

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a first-hand look inside phillip garrido's twisted world. new pictures just released. we're going to show you the hellhole where he allegedly kept jaycee dugard. first tonight's top of the block. a bizarre new twist in the haleigh cummings disappearance. cops question four, count them inmates. one just happened to be misty croslin's brother.

remember misty, she's that chain-smoking teenager married to hey leigh's dad, ronald. she claims to have slept through the entire thing. and as if this case couldn't get any more bizarre remember last month her dad was arrested after he allegedly got into a fight with family members. turns out he was fighting with misty's brother, hank, the same guy who was just questioned by police. did this fight have anything to do with haleigh's disappearance? do cops have any suspects? this family really has to get their act together if they have any hope of finding this precious child and that is tonight's "top of the block." horrifying, i mean horrifying new developments just in to hln, police have found another bone on garrido's property and cadaver dogs hit on a human scent, are human remains buried there? >> after the dog gave what is determined to be somewhat of a tentative look at -- or

tentative feel for the cadaver, we brought in a second dog and he, also, indicated on that particular part of the property. >> just now, cops announce ground-penetrating radar confirm there is something under that spot. is it a dead body? does this terrifying den hold clues into the abduction of two little girls. plus, gruesome new photos of phillip garrido's house of horrors, deep inside the rapist and accused kidnapper's filthy, i mean filthy, beyond comprehension filthy lair. did jaycee dugard's alleged captor hold other children hostage in this terrifying madhouse? check out what we spotted in garrido's dining room, how creepy is this? it looks like a portrait of garrido with a little girl. who is that little girl? police continue to dig through truckloads of trash searching for bones, teeth, graves in this

chilling interview from jail garrido hints of the nightmares that occurred at his home. >> wait until you hear the story of what took place at this -- at this house. and you're going to be absolutely impressed. it's a disgusting thing that took place with me in the beginning. but, i turned my life completely around. and to be able to understand it, you have to start there. >> oh, really. that's a completely turned-around life that living room there. it will take days but cops say the search will provide answers straight to my fantastic expert of panel criminal profiler pat brown, let me ask you what are those photos of that mind-boggling mess just filth, disarray, gross stuff, dirty dishes, it goes on and on. what does this say about this man's state of mind? >> well, i would say he's just not terribly interested in that aspect of his life, too interested what he can control when it comes down to little people. what's really frightening did he get hold of a couple little girls prior to jaycee who didn't

kroopt the way jaycee did? because you know it takes a while, you know, you have to get the right kid and if the kid doesn't seem to go along with the program and objects too much, you know, you might want to get yourself another one. >> well, yeah. that's what's really scary. lisa bloom, they're saying that there are concrete slabs on the property and those concrete slabs could hide the scent of human decompensation. that's why they brought in the cadaver dogs archaeological dogs who can tell whether these are very old bones from, let's say a native-american burial ground or if these bones are more recent. >> yeah. and if there's any capable of making a makeshift grave it's phillip ga ree do. look at the elaborate structures of sheds and tents he had in the backyard to hide jaycee and her two daughters. i think these photos of the home would be prima facie evidence in a court of law of child neglect if anybody knew he had kids. but what about, jane, these probation officers who were supposed to be doing random home visits to his home? they said they did do them, they

didn't go into the backyard but even if you just went into the house and saw that filth and the way this man was living and saw a picture of him with a little girl, good catch by the way, shouldn't that have led to more than investigation? i mean, how did they allow this man to go unsearched for so many years? >> you know what i think, dr. dale archer, the outside of the house, i've seen photographs of it looks neat. the inside obviously just a total stye. i'm getting a feeling they didn't go in, the parole officers never went n. i'm getting the feeling this was such window dressing because the neighbors could have told them he had had teenaged girls there because they went to their parties. one step inside this house as lisa just said would show you everything you need to know that somebody is cuckoo for coco-puffs yet, no he's on parole year after year decade after decade, no problem. >> the smartest problem in the whole case was the neighbor who called in and said he is a psychotic sex addict. she was absolutely right. and we know that one of the

signs of psychosis is a thought disorder which is jumbled in illogical thinking and often these folks manifest this externally with very filthy and cluttered living conditions. >> jane. >> i think one -- >> go ahead, drew. >> -- should have been a red flag to any trained individual. >> that's why i said i don't think they looked inside, drew. >> i agree. >> jane, i'm going to tell you -- i've talked about it on this show before. politicians have taken the sexual registry, which had good intent, to go after predators and track predators and have expanded it and expanded it to cover false imprisonment and domestic cases and. >> but that's how he's convicted of kidnapping of a stranger and forcible rape. >> hold it a second. hold it a second. but the problem is these probation officers and parole officers that monitor people in the sexual registry are overworked, they're running around checking on people who shouldn't be on the registry. they should be looking after people like this person but they don't have the opportunity, the

same thing we looked at when haleigh cummings case first started so, many people -- >> i don't buy it and i don't think lisa bloom buys it, either. >> i don't buy it. >> i think they are overstretched. >> thank you. >> and you can only expect so much. if we the citizens don't fund we won't get the searches we want but this this case this was a guy convicted of grabbing a stranger, a 25-year-old back in 1977. taking her to a storage area that he had constructed for the purpose of raping her. and then raped her for many hours. that's what he was convicted of. this is a guy who should have been watched closely. since we know he constructs special shelters for raping people, my goodness, how did they fail -- >> the problem is the people. >> -- to chekt backyard. >> the people who should be checking on him on checking on people they have no business checking on, snag needs to be addressed hampering law enforcement and ultimately what happens somebody is victimized for 19 years because politicians got in the way so they can get a few extra votes. >> i do not think you can blame this on -- >> this is -- >> i'm sorry. i'm not going to blame

everything on lack of funding. i mean that's just like this catch-all. >> it is a lack of. >> everything is a lack of funding. you know what, sometimes it's the lack of brain power to put two and two together when the neighbors were doing that. >> absolutely. >> i just think that it's laziness, really, doing the least you can do. >> jane -- >> let me say this, let me say one more thing. >> the problem here. >> -- >> should have gone to jail for life, should have gotten life and enall this problem. any man who steps across the line to abduct a stranger, hold her in a shed and rape her, that's it, life in prison, you don't have to worry about the parole officers -- >> i agree. >> not prioritizing cases where women and children are the victims, i think that's a factor, as well. >> let me just -- let me go back to the parole issue for one second. when the parole officer was called by those quick-witted law enforcement officers who saw this guy with his teen-aged daughters, the university of berkeley campus, she called and said he's got two daughters and

he's on parole. they said, oh, no, he doesn't have daughters, maybe they are granddaughters. in other words even when presented with the facts, the parole officer said, oh, he doesn't have daughters, maybe they are in other words even when presented with the facts the parole officer said, he doesn't have daughters, maybe they are granddaughters. >> -- not making the safety of women and children a priority. he doesn't have any granddaughters. he's a convicted rapist. put two and two together and prioritize the safety of girls and women. i think that's the key factor. >> and again, we're talking about taking one step inside the house, looking around, with a complaint that's been filed and saying, oh, wow, there is something wrong here. this needs to be investigated further because one look in that house, any trained individual would have known there is something going on we've got to investigate. >> -- is he -- >> it'd be more work to do. >> -- all right. hang on, everybody. everybody. phillip garrido admitted to using lsd and acid, this by the way national recovery month, great time to get sober. i've struggled with addiction. in my new book i reveal details

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he tied my head to my knees and my hands were handcuffed behind my back and threw a coat over my head so i was below visibility in the car and took me to a warehouse in reno, in a very desolate area. >> were you fearing for your life? >> i was. i thought i was dead. >> katherine callaway hall kidnapped and raped by phillip garrido, he went to prison and was paroled 40 years early. then he allegedly kidnapped jaycee dugard. right now cops are searching his property to find out if he has more victims and coming up with bones. the question is are they human bones? all right.

the phone lines lighting up on this one. florida, your question or thought, ma'am. >> caller: hello? >> hi. you are on the air. >> caller: hi. my comment or question is looking inside his house very disorganized and messy, so could that in aspect of his life reflect his need to control, for example, jaycee dugard and control these women, could that be some sort of psychological -- >> dr. dale? >> well, no, i think that the messiness was a result of his psychosis. i think this man was psychotic and that was manifest externally in the filth and the dirt and grime in the house. but, he also had a psychopathic side and sexual addiction side prompting him to go out and commit these rapes and kidnappings and all of the atrocities that he did. so, i think that the two were interlinked but they're not the same thing. >> all right. this search could blow two cold

cases wide open. michaela garecht abducted in 1988, katrina rodriguez was the only witness. she told abc she was shocked when she saw garrido's face and car on television. >> i have not seen a photo that looks more like michaela's kidnapper than his. put a pit right in my stomach. i called michaela's mother right away and i told her, you know, this could be the car. >> here is the very sketch katrina helped police draw in 1988 and there's garrido's mugshot from the time with the long hair. pat brown, the resemblance is bone-chilling. >> not surprising because i don't think this just started. we know it doesn't start with jaycee. there's always a long, long history of this and it's pretty sad but i don't think they are going to find a good ending with it. >> yeah. well, they've got at least one bone that they say is probably human, drew findling, and now digging up for other bones, finding other bones and having them tested to see if they are human or animal.

but then we heard cadaver dogs hit on a location and those cadaver dogs hit when they spot human decompensation. >> listen, i may be a criminal defense attorney but i have spent more than half my life doing this work there is not going to be a good ending to. this i looked at the picture and it is uncanny. i will tell you from cases in the past it just didn't start with this young lady. this has probably been going on -- >> this is right after he got out of prison. >> and, you know, again, i don't want to confuse the fact that this guy was on the registry, jane, in other words, there were certain rules he had to follow and had to be monitored regarding his involvement with children, even his own children. that's what makes this so inexcusable. >> we have to leave it right there. a benefit concert this sunday in south lake tahoe to raise money for jaycee, her stepdad plans to go. way to go, community. i love to hear that. thank you, fabulous panel. remember, click on cnn.com/jane

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tonight, live to connecticut and the sudden disappearance of a gorgeous young ivy league doctoral student just before she's set to walk down the aisle. the 24-year-old beauty's last spotted on grainy surveillance video walking into a yale research building. a false fire alarm mysteriously goes off in the building. people rush out. and annie le is never seen again. at nearly the exact hour, le set to walk down the aisle, wedding dress on a hanger in the closet, flowers ordered, the girl's body

found stuffed in a two-foot wall cable space there at yale's research building. bloody clothes found high over investigators' heads behind ceiling tiles. bombshell tonight. in the early morning hours, police storm a super8 motel 30 miles away to arrest 24-year-old yale lab technician raymond clark on murder i. clark, under police surveillance 24/7 for days in the late-night hours. connecticut police opened the crime lab for emergency dna tests and, within hours, the arrest goes down. in the last hours, clark brought in full shackles to a new haven courtroom. there, for a hearing, including a reading, out loud, of formal murder charges. tonight, we confirm key card swipes placing clark at the crime scene just before and

after le is last seen alive. revealing he goes in and out of that lab no less than ten times. clark spending his work days cleaning cages that house experimental mice. in play tonight, multiple text messages between clark and his 90-pound victim. do they reveal motive for murder? reports clark sending murder victim le a text the very morning she's last seen alive. five days later, her body found stuffed inside a wall. clark reportedly covered with defensive wounds. also, blood evidence, including bloody surgical gloves and a bead -- a bead from le's necklace found torn from her throat on the floor of the crime scene. cause of death?

traumatic asphyxiation due to neck compression. le, manually strangled to death. and tonight, uncovered, an alleged history of stalking and harassing women. allegations from a former girlfriend claiming clark forced her to have sex then threatened her when she breaks it off. no charges ever filed. with a community and a university reeling, a family grieving, and a young groom left at the altar with a broken heart. tonight, we want justice for 24-year-old bride-to-be annie le. >> an arrest warrant was signed by the honorable judge fisher

charging clark for the murder in the death of annie le. >> -- number 15, raymond clark, iii, m. clark i read you your rights down stairs earlier in the presence of your attorneys and you understood those rights. >> yes, sir. >> raymond clark, 24 years of age was arrested at a motel in farmworth, connecticut. >> police have arrested a lab technician in the killing of yale grad student annie le. raymond clark's bond was set at $3 million. he was taken into custody in a motel near the campus. the arrest happened this morning. this after raymond clark was staying at a hotel that had been under surveillance from police. the police chief here in new haven made it clear that arrest was really hinging on dna samples being tested to the hundreds of pieces of evidence that they say they have gathered in this case. >> through our sources, there could be e-mails linking clark to le's murder. and from those e-mails and correspondence dealing with the treatment of lab animals.

>> he did not enter a plea. investigators say he is the only suspect. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. at almost the exact hour gorgeous young ivy league grad student annie le set to walk down the aisle, wedding dress on the hanger in the closet, flowers ordered, the girl's body found stuffed in a wall at yale university's research building. bombshell tonight. the arrest goes down. >> based upon numerous interviews, forensic evidence and information learned from viewing video surveillance, detectives have secured the arrest warrant for clark. >> the man suspected of killing a yale grad student is behind bars. >> police cars, sirens on, road was closed, we saw him taken out in handcuffs. >> ray clark, iii, walked into a new haven courtroom. his legs were shackled and appeared to have redness on his left eye. his bond set at $3 million.

>> it's obviously a very serious case. the bond set by judge fisher of $3 million is appropriate. . >> authorities compared dna from his hair, fingernails and saliva, to more than 250 pieces of evidence collected at the scene at the lab. >> we don't have any other suspects at this time. we do have a lot of evidence. we still have to analyze. >> as far as how raymond clark -- clark's path crossed with annie le, they worked in the same building. his job was to look after laboratory mice. >> police there say they've had their eye really on raymond clark all along. >> mr. clark, i read you your rights. you understood those rights. >> yes. >> straight out to cnn correspondent mary snow joining us there at the police station. mary, thank you for being with us. can you explain to me the details of how the arrest went down? >> reporter: yes.

nancy, tonight raymond clark is in a maximum security prison, this after he was taken into custody shortly after 8:00 a.m. this morning. he was staying at a motel just about 30 miles outside of new haven. he was released on wednesday after police took him into custody to gain those dna samples. but have kept him under surveillance ever since then. police swarmed that hotel. it was without incident he was arrested and taken here to the new haven police department to be processed and then over to court, where he was arraigned. he was not obligated to enter a plea in that arraignment today. and police are saying that because that arrest warrant was sealed the new haven police chief did not reveal details about the case, only to say that the arrest warrant was based on forensic evidence, on interviews and also on surveillance type -- tape.

in terms of the relationship that young had with le, he's -- would not comment on that, as well, but only say this was a crime of workplace violence. >> that is interesting, mary snow. of course, the prosecution does not have to prove motive at trial. but, police refer to it as "workplace violence." i don't know what that means. because it's pretty rare that you manually strangle your 90-pound co-worker to death and stuff her body in the wall. any idea what he means by "workplace violence"? >> reporter: well, the police chief would not comment on reports that there had been some e-mail exchanges, this based on according to various reports, on the condition of some of these cages that contained the mice. the police chief wouldn't comment on that at all, but that gave us some indication into some of the conditions at work.

he was the lab technician looking after mice. police describe the relationship, he was the guy who would clean cages that these lab mice, where they were held. she was the ph.d. student who did research in that laboratory in the basement of that building at yale, where her body was found on sunday. >> mary snow, what he is doing bunked up at the motel6 when he has an apartment he shares with his fiancee just a few miles away? >> reporter: police had went into -- had gone into his apartment when he was taken into custody. they had been searching through that apartment and had executed two search warrants even yesterday. why he was at that motel, you know, police had said after they released him that he was free to go but that they were keeping him under surveillance. >> joining me right now al johns with 1010 radio, in court hours ago.

clark, raymond clark, the lab technician charged in murder i in connection with the death of a 24-year-old graduate student annie le. al jones, what happened in court, is the bail set and is that a tattoo i see on his arm? >> it's a tattoo on both arms. it was a strange court appearance as you can imagine. connecticut courts like most courts usually drag out. this was a very quick affair. they cleared the courtroom, took out all the traffic violation people. they brought in all the reporters. we all got a seat and within a matter of ten minutes they brought in raymond clark. there was also a camera and microphones in the courtroom, this for a first appearance. now, clark was wearing a striped polo shirt, bare arms, khakis no belt and chain irons. in fact, we could hear the irons clanking as he came walking into the courtroom, that was about the only sound. we couldn't really see any marks on his arms, of course the shirt would block any marks anywhere else. there was a noticeable bruise on his face. clark really had his head down throughout the three-minute

proceeding, said almost nothing except to acknowledge he did understand his rights. bail set at $3 million and he will be back on october 6th. >> al jones, it's my understanding that he has already given a statement to police and now if this is correct he's locked into this, by the way, that he blames the defensive wounds, to my understanding, bruises and scratches on the arms, the chest, the bare chest, the back, under the right eye, there's also bruises, scratches and abrasions. he's blaming all that on his three cats and injuries from a recent softball game. have you heard those reports? >> he did play softball on sunday. in fact, police surveillance teams were on him at the time. they had sent a narcotics unit to follow him since sunday. narcotics units, as you know are covert by nature. on sunday they were doing it by cover and they did seeing him baseball. he did go to a local fair, did normal sunday things.

no word of any cats and neighbors didn't know how many cats he had in his apartment. >> al jones, is it true that, at this jailhouse -- i know mary referred to it as maximum security, but is it true that he has access to yoga classes, poetry classes, dance classes, a whole list of amenities, al? do we have that list, norm? >> i'm not sure what he's -- what he has at his disposal. it is a higher level jail than say the local correctional center. >> art classes, step aerobics, sculpture, dance, poetry, foreign language. what about it? let's quickly unleash the lawyers, we are taking your calls live. susan moss, john burris, michael mazarello, susan moss, step aerobics, yoga, did you hear that? >> i don't know whether it's some sort of club med or a

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authorities are relying on computer records detailing use of key swipe cards to gain access to parts of the lab including the basement. "the hartford current" report they indicate he was last to see her alive. >> the state medical examiner says the 24-year-old le was strangled to death. >> what happened here could have happened anywhere.

it says more about the dark side of the human soul than it does about anything else. >> straight back to al jones, reporter in court today when clark appeared in full shackle for an outloud reading of charges on murder i. so, you got a look at him in his khaki pants and nice looking polo shirt. what do the tattoos say on either arm? >> they really didn't say anything. more of a herringbone encircling his biceps. both of them halfway up the arm. with the shortsleeves you could see it quite clearly. there was nothing spelled out or spelled out there. he had a dazed look on his face. >> what do you mean? >> herringbone-like thing in a pattern sort of like a sport coat but around his arm. >> so going around just below the elbow. >> a band between your elbow and shoulder. >> what, to like show off his

muscles? >> if you like that kind of thing, yes. >> okay. good to know. we are taking your calls but first to jean casarez, legal correspondent with "in session." jean, i want to find out about two things right now. what can you tell me about this former girlfriend that states he terrorized her and harassed her, made her have forced sex, that's rape, okay. everybody keeps saying forced sex. that is rape. no charges ever filed, number one. and, number two, i want to find out about these e-mails between him and the murder victim. what do you know on either of those two topics? >> all right, number one, nancy, the incidents you're talking about, 2003, raymond clark was in high school, he had a girlfriend. she wanted to break up with him. he retaliated by writing on her locker. the police were called in. the school called them. end of incident. but then she and her mother went to the police station and she told the police that they were

boyfriend and girlfriend but he forced theory have sex that. that is what you are equating with sexual assault, rape. she would not fill out an affidavit so it was case closed before it even began, but she has reportedly when she saw he was a suspect she relived that 2003 incident. >> i wanted to find out about these e-mails that went back and forth between the 90-pound victim, annie le and this guy now charged with murder i, what do you know about the e-mails? >> it is reported the text messages or e-mails had maybe two different subject matters. one being that he, who maintained the cages and the animals, was upset at her, annie le, because she was leaving her cage in disorder or dirty or not in the condition that he wanted the cage left in. most importantly was it is being reported that there was a text message the morning of the day she went missing, asking her to meet with him at the lab,

that they were going to meet together. and that is evidenced by the key card access code. >> i want to talk about those swipes, everybody you are seeing photos of raymond clark we obtained from myspace. thomas kaplan, with us from the beginning. thomas, welcome. i want to talk about those swipe cards. putting him in and out of the building. no less, maybe more than ten times in those crucial hours including after work. >> so, it does appear that the record from these swipe cards are sort of a crucial piece of evidence in this case. to get anywhere in this building, this is a new building, you need to swipe the i.d. and a computer system records where you go. so, that's how the investigators can tell who was where and when. >> thomas kaplan, isn't it true he was going into rooms he typically had no business in? >> that is what some reports have said, yes, indeed. goodwrench... we roll out the blue carpet

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early this morning, police say dna evidence came back and it set off a sequence of events. >> raymond j. clark, iii, 24 years of age was arrested in the murder in the death of annie le. >> the warrant signed, booked into the police department and already in front of a judge. annie le was strangled to death in the lab where she worked. clark, who also worked there charged with doing it and trying to hide her body behind a wall in the lab's basement. >> there are two key pieces of evidence that could definitively link clark to the scene and possibly to the crime itself.

>> detectives looked at some 700 hours of video surveillance from inside and around the building, including a camera showing le -- >> we are taking your calls. out to winnifred in nevada. hi. >> caller: hi, nancy. >> thank you for calling in. what's your question, dear? >> caller: i've watched you since were you in georgia with your hair on top of your head. >> i only wish i could still put my hair on top of my hair but i hardly have time to deal with it. with the twins. >> caller: i love your babies. i'm older than your mother and love to watch your family. my question is isn't it possible he threatened her in those text messages, that's why she rushed over there quickly and left all of her belongings in her apartment? >> that is an excellent question, because she did leave all her belongings behind but, jean, i thought she left all her belongings behind at another office. >> she did. she did leave it at the other office. but, nancy, this is so interesting, it goes with winnifred's question. the president of yale university said in the upcoming weeks they

are going to promote yale's zero tolerance policy for violent, threatening and abusive behavior. he linked those three words together. we know the violence is there. she was murdered by somebody. but, threatening and abusive? >> you know, winnifred in nevada may be on to something. jean, when do you expect the nature of these text messages to be released? i know that they were confronting her about her so-called treatment of the mice, in other words, cleaning or not cleaning the cages and keeping them clean. >> well, you know, nancy, they are keeping so much close to the vest, as you said, last friday, which was the second day on your show of this case and they said that there was no evidence of foul play and it's gone on from there, so i don't expect those text messages to be released anytime soon. >> you know, dr. bethany following up on winnifred's question and what jean told us and reported, so many times in the workplace, especially women but people are afraid to speak out.

if somebody's harassing you or threatening you, just like his alleged first victim didn't want to press charges. he raped her, according to her. she didn't want to press charges. and then vandalized her locker for everybody to see. but, it was all dropped, all swept under the rug. so many times in the workplace, you're afraid if you say something about how you're being treated, you'll the one that's penalized, you'll be the one that's blackballed. >> it's true to follow up on what winnifred said was he guilting her about the mice and she rushes over to make sure the cages are okay. i think when he said maybe you're neglecting the mice, maybe he was saying you are going to get married and leave me behind and that's neglecting me so i'm going to kill you. >> back to the lawyers -- susan moss, john burris, michael mazzarello, what about it? he's already spoken to police to some extent. now he's locked into those statements.

. >> well, that's true, he is locked into the statement, depending on the questions that have been asked of him. i think from a defense point of view, you really have to kind of go slow here, you've got to wait because you don't really know what the evidence is. there's a lot of dna evidence but you don't know where that dna evidence is coming from, whether it really links him, any direct evidence or not from a defense point of view this is really a question of making sure you cover your bases but don't go too quickly because you don't know what he said or what evidence they have. from my point of view, you have to be careful here because you just don't really know and what your defense is going to be right at this moment. >> you know, isn't that ironic, michael, veteran trial lawyer, what burris is saying is absolutely true. it clinches my stomach, but it's true because what he's saying, michael, is, let's wait and see what the state's got before we come up with our defense. let's don't commit to anything right now, because in the end, we may have to go with something like insanity if the evidence is too strong. if it's not that strong we'll come up with some other who did it. >> what they already have is a written statement which you're absolutely right, nancy, he's

locked into that statement. try swaying -- >> come on, his cat did it? what was his cat doing on his back, on his bare chest? >> maybe the baseball slide while he was playing softball. he had all those scratches on his chest sliding into home plate. it's ridiculous. he's going to go to jail for the rest of his life. >> put michael up again, please. here's the problem with that. if he claims he was injured at the softball game they can bring in first base, second base, third base, shortstop, pitcher, catcher to say, no, i don't remember a ball hitting him or him sliding into any of the bases. >> if it's under the shirt, nancy -- >> he could turn out to be a liar on something as inconsequential as a softball game. >> nancy, if he had raspberries under his shirt, no be would see that. they have the detectives, narcotic agents watching him at the time and probably have photographs of it. if he didn't slide, he's done, nancy, he's absolutely done. making that statement without an attorney present was mistake number one.

>> out to ben levitan, north carolina, an expert. the prosecution apparently has him going in and out, in and out, in and out obsessively even in areas where he's not supposed to be according to our sources even into that basement. he did have access there. but, around the time all of this was happening. how does that technology work? >> well, that's pretty standard, nancy. you see that -- that's a very mature technology. you see that on credit cards. it's just magnetic strips. even if you check into a hotel and get a electronic keycard simply a database is created for you at the security site, probably yale security. and in that -- when you swipe your magnetic card it simply sends your identification information back to the security database. the database checks to see if you're authorized to enter that area. and that was done ahead of time. if you are, the door unlocks.

this is not technology that can be lawyered, if you want to call it that. it's very secure. >> well, unless they have cameras, they could easily argue that his swipe card was missing or stolen. there's all sorts of ways to get around that. but, there's a little problem of alleged dna evidence. to woody tripp, former police commander joining us from the atlanta jurisdiction, woody, what about the fact that you could claim some type of accident regarding those bloody clothes if it is, in fact, the victim's blood, if it's the defendant's blood, you can claim all sorts of things about it to explain it away. innocently. but, the fact that it was then hidden up above the investigators' heads, behind the ceiling tiles, if it had been an innocent accident that caused blood on the clothing, it wasn't her clothing. she was dressed in her clothes that she's spotted in on that photo we keep showing.

but now that it's hidden, that gives it a nefarious interpretation, woody. >> absolutely, it does. and i don't know of anyone that's going to hide their clothes that are bloodied in a ceiling tile or anywhere else if it's an accident, it's an accident. you don't hide your clothes. >> what do you make of this guy? >> you've seen the photos. he's buff, clearly works out, the tattoos, accentuating his arm muscles, his guns, so to speak. >> what do you make of this guy? the victim was a 90-pound asian woman and, i've learned, that he was a member of an asian appreciation club. >> i find that very interesting. and certainly, we know that many times, you know, in the asian culture, they're subservient to males many times, females are. there is a rage there. there is a very controlling and absolutely from everything that we've learned about him, there's definitely, you can see it. he's definitely very focused. >> to wesley tact joining us

tonight, a friend of the murder suspect, raymond clark, iii, everyone you are seeing private video of annie le in 2005 from abc's "good morning america." wesley, you are a friend of raymond clark's. what do you make of all this? >> [ inaudible ]. >> i believe i have wesley with me. are you there? >> yes, i am. hello. >> hi, wesley, thank you for being with us. does all of this come as a huge surprise to you? were there any hints in his personality? >> uh, no, i can't say that there were. he was always perfectly social to me. he never said a cross word to me and he was a bit of a hell-raiser in elementary school, but nothing out of the ordinary. >> what was he like in high school? how would you describe him and were you aware of that incident with his high school girlfriend? >> um, towards me, like i said, he never indicated any sort of violent tendencies.

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his supervisor reports that nothing in the history of his employment here gave any indication that his involvement in such a crime might be possible. >> straight out to dr. michael bell, palm beach county chief medical examiner, thank you for being with us. we know she was extremely petite, weighing in at only 90 pounds. but how could you stuff a human body into a two-foot cable space? >> you'd be surprised what you can fit a body into. i've seen them stuffed into suitcases. even smaller metal containers so while it's unusual, it's far from rare. >> and what do you make of the formal -- the official cause of death that it's finally been released, the traumatic asphyxiation? how is that different from any other strangulation?

>> you know, it's interesting the way it's worded, because usually i reserve those terms for deaths that are due to like neck holds, bar holds, rather than manual strangulation. usually if it's a strangulation, i call it a strangulation. >> back to wesley tack joining us tonight, a special guest. friend of raymond clark iii, suspect in this murder case. thank you for being with us. you could, in your own words, describe raymond clark's personality? >> raymond was somewhat reserved in high school. a little on the quiet side. not so much that it would put you off. he was always friendly towards me. he was a good artist. i remember he was very neat, very fastidious. he had very neat penmanship. he was very well-groomed. but, nothing really stood out about his personality that would really put you off.

i remember -- >> go ahead. >> i do remember that, when -- when in a heated baseball game, he might occasionally lose his temper but no more so than any other athlete i've seen on fields, so -- >> what do you know, wesley tack, about him being a member of the asian appreciation club? >> the asian awareness club. >> okay. >> the asian awareness club was part of -- was a part of cultural diversity at high school and it was a club that promoted tolerance and understanding of asian cultures in the school. >> hmmm. and what prompted him to be a member of that club? >> i couldn't venture a guess. um, i think it was mostly because he had friends who were asian. >> everyone, you are seeing high school photos that we have obtained of raymond clark, iii. with us, wesley tack, a friend of his at that time. and through the years. we are taking your calls live to janice in oklahoma.

hi, janice. >> caller: hi, nancy. i love your show and i think it's wonderful how you speak for people whose voices have been silenced. >> janice, i really, really appreciate you saying that. what is your question, dear? >> caller: my question is, if he's been possessive with other women, could it be that was stalking annie le for quite a while before he killed her? >> excellent question. dr. bethany marshall out of l.a., what about it, bethany? >> i think that's a great likelihood and i think in the face -- possibility in the face of her impending wedding there was a built-up of unbearable distress, homicidal rage and that he could only neutralize that by killing her. the idea of the wedding made her feel that he could no longer control the victim, that she was rejecting him and that in fantasy they had a special relationship. and when you go back to the cages, he's the one that was supposed to keep the cages

clean, not her. so, he's making this accusation that she's neglecting the mice. maybe he feels she's neglecting him, in his own crazy little way. >> back to the lawyers, susan moss, john burris, michael mazzariello. susan, would you have expected to see if there was a sex assault those charges today, or do you think it depends on further lab testing? >> i think it's going to depend on further lab testing and the dna. they still can bring more than a more charges to this guy but if his dna on this yaly, you can bet he'll spend his life in jaily. the reality is, the science is so good now, that if there was a sexual assault, we're going to know about it through the dna evidence. >> what about it, john burris? >> that's probably true. it wouldn't surprise me they are able to come up with that in a very near future. he's going to be charged with murder i, it sounds to me. >> what? >> then the question is -- >> did you say he's not going to be charged with murder i? >> no, i said he will be charged with murder i, given the evidence that we have. and if you add another charge to

it, i don't know that it matters that much unless you want to go to the death penalty, which i don't know if connecticut has that. certainly the more important question is the murder and the defense has got to deal with that. sexual assault or not. >> michael mazzariello, there is a death penalty in connecticut. and i imagine what they're doing right now, if there had been any semen on or about her body, i mean, she had a fiance. they've got to do a dna comparison there to determine the origin of that. >> absolutely. and he has no priors but it's certainly a death penalty-eligible case due to the violence and if she was sexually assaulted, that makes it even worse. a jury is just not going to like to hear that, that's for sure. >> jean, what about the d.p. in connecticut? >> right, they have it. in order to be eligible for it or life in prison without the possibility of parole you have

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