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a huge break in the murder of a yale student, a lab technician arraigned and charged in the death of annie le. raymond clark sits behind bars @ accused of strangling a bride to be. who is this guy? what kind of a relationship did he have with annie le? plus new developments surrounding casey anthony. two new people set to be grilled in her first degree murder case. her brother lee's girlfriend and a private investigator who worked for the anthony family. a little girl's dead, and they may have inside knowledge. what did they know? love to hear from you. call in on these topics,
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1-877-tell-hln. e-mail at cnn.com/primenews or text us at hlntv. start the text with the word "prime." welcome. this is "prime news." i'm mike galanos. first, a story we've been covering for you on a daily basis. just moments ago a jury in louisville, kentucky, announced its decision in the trial of a high school football coach charged in the death of one of his players. the charge, not guilty on both counts 37 the two charges reckless homicide and wanton endangerment. two years ago 15-year-old max gilpin collapsed and died. collapsed in a very intense practice on a hot august day. the emotional reaction, you can almost hear it in the background. tears, tears of joy for coach david spinson and his family. we're going to continue to follow it. we'll have more a little bit later on. a couple of things to look at,
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what did they fail to prove? legal definition of recklessly failing to perceive the risk that a person would observe in a situation. obviously, the prosecution could not prove this. we'll talk about this case. for me personally, what can we learn from this? that's what i want to know. hopefully, coaches around the nation are taking note of this, and we're going to be wiser in the way we train our kids. more on that coming up in just a bit. now another story we're following very intensely. the man suspected of killing a yale grad student is behind bars.q police in new haven, connecticut, arrested raymond clark just this morning, anded today he was charged in the death of annie le. the guy is 24. police say he strangled this innocent bride to be, stuffed her body in a wall and was found on what should been her wedding day. so many questions here. did he know her? if so, what kind of relationship did they have? we know @@this, they both worke at the same research lab, same building. he had access to her. here's what police are saying.
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>> i think it's important to note this is not about urban crime. it's not about university crime. it's not about domestic crime. but an issue of workplace violence, which is becoming a growing concern around the country. >> there you go, workplace violence. we'll talk about that, what he's referring to there. want to hear from you.@@ 1-877-tell-hln is the number. you guys have had great questions about this case. feel free to call in. joining us to talk about it, dr. clay watson, forensic psychiatrist. also with us, dr. michelle dupree, medical examiner. and marsha chambers joins us, editor for the branford eagle. marsha, let's start with you. a lot of people want to know, what kind of relationship did raymond clark iii have with the victim annie le? >> not clear exactly what the nature of the relationship was, but they were clearly in the same lab for about three years.
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he was a 2004 graduate of branford high school, and she came to yale three years ago. he was a tech aide, which is kind of a nicely put word for a guy who cleaned the cages and took care of the rats and the rodents and stuff like that. apparently, he had certain standards, and they were, i gather, involved in some sort of an e-mail relationship if that he was concerned she wasn't taking clean enough care of the animals. that's still speculative. the police have been pretty quiet about exactly what happened. but that's the basic situation. they were in contact. >> marcia, where are you getting the e-mail exchange back and forth? that's obviously interesting when you talk about someone who has standards like that. it sounds very intense standards. that's a picture you're painting here. can you tell us more about where that information is coming from? >> it's just sort of the scuttlebutt around. it's not been confirmed specifically. the cops are being pretty close
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to the vest on this case. >> okay. and, again, cnn and hln have not been able to confirm that. we have so many questions about this. when we talk evidence, let's bring in dr. michelle dupree, medical examiner. with the arrest of this raymond clark iii, does this mean his dna was all over the crime scene? >> it probably means they found some at the crime scene or on the body, absolutely. >> what we know, they collect 200 pieces of evidence. seems like a quick turnaround to get that arrest. what have they found? how did they connect the dots? >> they may have found epithelial cells under the fingernails that would have matched the suspects. they could have found some kind of fluid. anything that would give them dna, positive results. >> again, an arrest, raymond clark iii arrested and charged with the murder of annie le. let's get back to the question,@ who have this guy?
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richard levin, yale university president. kind of talked about this. give us a thumbnail of who raymond clark iii is. >> mr. clark has been a lab technician at yale since december of 2004. the supervisor reports that nothing in the history of his employment here gave any indication that his involvement in such a crime might be possible. it is very disturbing to think a university employee might have committed this terrible crime. but as i reminded our community, we must not let this incident shatter our trust in one another. >> again, let's go back to marcia chambers, editor of the brandford eagle. as we look at this guy, does he have any kind of criminal history, marcia? >> he doesn't have any violent criminal history except one incident we can report, and i reported on, that appeared in
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the new haven independent. that occurred on september 9th, 2003, when both he and his then girlfriend -- about to be his former girlfriend were both seniors at brandford high school, and she wanted to break up with him. he was very disturbed about that. he confronted her in the hallway or near where they had had lockers. a dispute occurred. the situation was bad enough that the assistant principal summoned the police, and when the police came, they told clark he was not to have any further contact with the girl. and then the school officials said that they would clean up the locker and they would take care of that part. that occurred in 2003. and then a few days later, the girl came to the police station with her mother, and she told police that she had had a sexual relationship with clark for a while, and that at one point he forced her to have sex with her. the relationship, however, continued despite that. >> the relationship continued after that >> >> yes, it did continue. this is in the context of the
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continuation of the relationship. but at this point in september of 2003, she wanted to break up. >> okay. >> she was at that point also concerned about what he might do as a result of the breakup. she was fearful in some way. she wanted to let police know that, but she also told them she would not press criminal charges. the detective in charge of the case did notify clark's parents about the situation. his parents did live in brandford for a number of years. so that incident occurred, but it did not result in any arrest. >> okay. all right. let's take a quick break here. when we come back, i want to get dr. clay watson in on that as we see, maybe not a criminal history, but a history of an incident like that. we'll take your calls.@@ 1-877-tell-hln. announcer: "it looks like nothing else on the road right now,"
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there's the man arrested and charnled with her murder, raymond clark iii, lab ֖ technician. he worked in the same֖ lab at yale university with the victim annie le. let me read the facebook comments and questions. this is teresa g. writing this. "i can't figure out what in a lab would make him so angry as to kill someone, especially since he doesn't seem to have a history." about that history, we talked to reporter marcia chambers about an incident in high school in 2003, where he showed somewhat violent behavior toward a now former girlfriend. let's bring in dr. clay watson, forensic psychiatrist. clay, lots to digest here, i know. what are you seeing here as a possible motive for raymond clark iii? >> the first piece is it's important to note there was a history of violence for this young man. and that gives us an idea of whether or not this person is capable of violence in the future. now, whether or not he has a particular motive now, we're not sure. we're still figuring these things out. based on what we've heard so far
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is issues of control. he's been rejected in the past, it sounds like, and became violent with a high school girlfriend. and then there a blow to his self-esteem that may for him have enraged him, and he needed to regain that. so in this situation, you can imagine, with ms. le, if she confronted him or criticized him in some way, or even this e-mail exchange where she wasn't doing things the way he wanted her to, there may have been a confrontation and possibly he became enraged. and the only way for him to regain his sense of power and control was to become violent. >> let's go back to marcia chambers. marcia, real quick. what was the working relationship that we know between them? she, annie le, was researcher, and he basically did custodial work. so she would have been above him in that lab setting, correct? >> not only that. she was a ph.d. student in pharmacology and a student in the med school. she certainly had enormous
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promise. she was, in effect, you know, her parents were -- actually, it was interesting because she's vietnamese, and he was a member of an asian club in high school. but here was a girl who had done superbly, and he was a good student at brandford high school. >> okay. couple things to hit on there. clay, let me go back to you. from what we're hearing, i mean, it's not like there's a personality disorder. i believe, when you talk to family and friends, all i'm reading is an honor student, likable guy. how do you go from that to what we could have here? again, he's accused in the murder ofú@ annie le. >> this is what makes it so shocking. unfortunately for many of the viewers who -- you know, and certainly myself as well, we would really like to feel comfortable that we would be able to sort of pick out the boogie man in the room and say, okay, this is the person that would be likely to behave this way. but in all actuality, many people are -- it's possible for many people to do lots of
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extreme things. most of us have some mechanism in place to put the brakes on when we become enraged. dealing with our own issues and our own anger and such. but for some people, those breaks for one reason or another under certain circumstances, they're not there. and then it goes to the extreme, and the behavior is such that it's really shocking to all of us. >> let me get back to marcia chambers. marcia, as you relay that e-mail exchange, was there an undercurrent of anger toward it? >> i haven't seen the e-mail exchange. this is just what -- i don't know. i think the police will be able to -- you know, to get to that and to explain it. i agree that it's very difficult at this point to make any determination on exactly what happens here. we were able to get melissa bailey, who was at the new haven independent, was able to find his former girlfriend on facebook and was able to get some information that way. and she said that that whole --
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realizing what he had been accused of made her feel like the event was right back when she was 16 all over again. it was bringing everything back. she was very distressed. >> you main, she was distressed about the annie le situation? >> yes. >> okay. >> and distressed that this thing brought back her own minimum ris of her own situation with him. she said, quote, it's been a rough few days. >> let's take a quick break. much more coming up with more from dr. clay watson on that front. we're seeing now, thanks to the reporting of marcia chambers, some history here. we'll take your calls. 1-877-tell-hln is the number. couple of folks waiting. i've helped somebody. you know, it makes me feel pretty good. we're offering a solution for a customer
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crowbar and broke into the house. i was asleep. when i woke up, he was standing at the door with a crowbar, and he said, i should hit you with this. >> reporter: she never reported her husband's abuse, and he was never arrested or charged, which is why we're not identifying her. help me understand why you didn't go to the police. >> for an african-american women to call the police on an african-american man, it would be like sending another brother to jail, to prison, and not believing they would get the right treatment from the police. >> reporter: that statement might sound bizarre to some, but it's not uncommon in the african-american community, and experts say it makes a bad problem worse. just how prevalent is domestic violence among african-american women? a study by the department of justice from 2001 to 2005 found domestic abuse among black women 25% higher than white women. in fact, it was higher than women of all other races except native americans.
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