welcome back to prime news. we're talking about heroism. look at the smile on little d.j.'s face. he was badly burned. he's riding in the family van. it erupted in flames. two off-duty firefighters risk their lives to save his. the update on the story is this little guy's going to be able to go home now as you see him. that's what he said at the pless conference, i'm ready to go home. we're going to talk with his father to find out how little d.j.'s doing and also one of the heroes in this case. we're seeing the proof of heroism. when we sacrifice for others,

good things come. we love taking your calls, 1-877-tell-hln on this one. a jury in louisville, kentucky, has acquitted a former high school football coach in the death of one of his players. here was the verdict read just moments ago. >> on instruction number one, we, the jury, find the defendant david jason stinson not guilty under instruction number one. instruction number two, wanton endangerment in the first degree. we, the jury, find the defendant david jason stinson not guilty under instruction number two. >> again, max gilpin, sophomore lineman, 15-year-old collapsed at practice. this was a year ago august. team was running a series of sprints. they call them gassers. heat index 94 that day. max's body temperature 107. some speculate it could have been higher.@@@@ he died three days later. want to hear from you on this verdict. 1-877-tell-hln is the number.

joining us, former prosecutor tom agent kenneth. and reporter louisville courier journal. she's been on this since day one. let me start with you. what was the reaction in the courtroom when the verdict was read? >> the reaction was very, very emotional particularly from the stinson camp? his wife monica shook and was crying. the judge ordered to begin with not to have any emotional outbursts in the courtroom. lots of sobbing. jason stinson turned and immediately hugged his attorney brian butler. >> how about any comment or emotion from max gilpin's family? >> the family on max's side was -- i don't know how to describe it other than, i think, maybe shock. there was not really much reaction at all. they had straight faces as they were walking out. not much from them as well. nothi nothing. >> let's get our lawyers in on this one as we find out why this went this way.

it did not take the jury long to come to this conclusion. thomas, i'll start with you. what did the prosecution do wrong? where did they drop the ball here? >> mike, i don't know if it's so much of a matter what they did wrong. it was a tough case. on the one hand, you wanted to see this coach sort of held accountable for what some people described as an exceptionally grueling practice. the word barbaric was thrown around. at the same time, i think there was the concern among everybody who was either involved in this case or spectating on this case through the media and so forth. if the verdict would have come down guilty in this case, what sort of effect would that have had on high school sports or amateur sports, youth sports all around the country. would a guilty verdict in this case really kind of chill, you know, that enthusiasm that adults have to get involved in children's sports, volunteer for little l league, to be high school coaches and so forth? >> that was a concern there. mark, as we look at this, you know, and i'll say this. if he was guilty, then so be it.

there maybe needs to be a chill factor. that's somewhat of a different argument. when i look at this case, i just don't know if you had the rules in place to say, coach, you violated x, y, and z. and by that, you are guilty, right? this just wasn't cut and dry. >> that's correct, mike. every criminal case, the state has to have sufficient evidence. in this case, they have a tough burden. it was a willful and wanton disregard of human life. most people, first of all, felt like this coach was a decent person. second of all, it didn't rise to that level. perhaps he was negligent. perhaps he should have done things differently. to hold him accountable and send him to prison for ten years, i think the prosecution just didn't have it. >> let's go back to tony kahns, reporter louisville journal. tony, has coach stinson, has he ever talked about any regrets of how he ran practice on that day? are we expecting an interview from him any time soon? >> he did not give an interview today to the national media.

there was lots of media, national mediaing wi national m. i've never seen so much media in my life. he came out from the courtroom and didn't talk to anybody. before we heard there was a verdict, they did do a huge prayer circle, and that was the first time i had heard jason stinson say anything throughout this trial. he actually led the prayer. >> tony, he's never he can pressed a regret of how the practice was run that day, correct? >> not that i can tell, no. >> the reason i ask. i hope at some point we'll get that open. i'd love to talk with the coach. open invitation to talk with the coach. >> in his defense -- >> making a point. just that he will have an opportunity. we can learn from this. my end goal in this -- i don't think they had to find a guilty verdict. i just hope we can learn as parents, as football fans, what we can expect of our kids. we want responsibility from our coaches and wisdom from them as they train our kids. mark, go ahead. >> in his defense, his attorney, i'm certain, would have told

him, listen, there will be time after the acquittal without ten years hanging over your head, to tell the public how sorry you are, how you wish things had been done differently. i'm sure we'll hear that later. he couldn't have done that because all that would have affected his outcome. >> and there's also a civil trial coming up as well. >> and that's by max gilpin's parents filing against, not the school, but coach stinson specifically, tony? >> and tim and several other coaches and the principal at the school. that's going to go to trial in february of next year. >> real quickly, thomas, how do you see the civil going? do you think easier burden of proof, right? >> much easier burden of proof. i think that's what a lot of people thought this was. as high as the supreme court said school districts, coaches, they look in loco parentis, in place of the parents. they have a duty in this case to guard after these children. one thing that is absolutely

inexcusable in this case -- and we brought this up last time -- is not giving the children water. one thing the coaches learn, if you're doing any sort of strenuous training, water, water, water. you have to hydrate the children, hydrate the athletes no matter how hard you want to run them. >> safety first is what we'll learn out of this. do we want hard work on the football 2350e8d? certainly we do. but again we want to do it responsibly. tony, you've done a great job. hopefully, we'll talk again soon. mark thomas, appreciate your insights as well. coming up, just a story. we do a lot of stories. this will do your heart good. a little guy. there he is, little d.j., rescued from a burning van because two men risked their lives. they laid down their lives, sacrificed so this little guy could live. we're going to talk to one of the heroes and d.j.'s dad. if you want to call in, please do. (announcer) romano's macaroni grill has a way to get things cooking..... at home.

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welcome back. thanks to two heroic firefighters risking their lives, a 5-year-old is alive today. he just left the hospital. complete strangers pulled d.j. harper out of a burning suv just two months ago in milwaukee. here was the scene. >> we feneed water! come back. there's a baby in there! >> so many people rushed to the aid of that little l guy.

look how cute he is. the little bandaged face. don't you just want to give him a hug? put the packers shirt on him. i know they've got the packers shirt on him in milwaukee. a great story this little guy is out of the hospital and going home. this is the ronald mcdonald house. this is heroics. there's joy for a little guy.@@ he's on his way to ronald mcdonald house. i love this story. joining us now to talk about it, d.j.'s father chris harper and one of the heroes john reckless. he and his brother joel were the guys that went into the burning van and risked their lives. guys, thank again. chris harper, d.j.'s dad, how's the little guy doing? i love the smile on his face. just so heart warming. >> he's doing real good right now. he's got great spirits. he's looking forward to going to disney world. he's healing a lot better. he's moving around a lot better. he likes to play like normal 5-year-old little boys do. really hasn't limited his activity. he gets tired a little bit.

but other than that, he's a normal 5-year-old. >> he's got a long road ahead of him, doesn't he, chris? >> we've got more surgeries scheduled, and it's going to be years of recovery. mentally and physically.pp psychologically there's going to be years to recover. he seems to be doing real well. >> that's good. i can hear the excitement in your voice. we were going to have you go to a studio, but you didn't want to leave his side. that's why you're talking to us by phone. dad, we applaud you on that move. how are you doing? i know it's a tough road, but right now there's hope. >> i'm real happy that i could have him back. i'm real happy. like the little things.@@ you know, we do a lot of little things, a lot of cuddling. it's just the things that once he's not there, you know, that you realize you miss. and it's the little things that mean the most.@ we do a lot of custoddling.

i'm there for him, and we're trying to get over this, get through this the best we can. >> so well put, the little things. john, i just applaud you because, again, our heart breaks on is many of the stories we do. let's show the video again what john and his brother and so many other volunteers, people were so sacrificing. what they were up against. let's listen again, and we'll hear from john. >> we need water! come on! there's a baby this there. >> john,s with you look at that and we hear that again, has it all really sunk in a couple of months later, what you guys did? i'm sure your heart -- it's heart warming for you as well to see little d.j. yesterday? >> oh, absolutely. you know, tuesday was probably one of the most joyous days of

my life, seeing d.j. walk out of that hospital. truly for me, it was that day that i was looking forward to since the incident. d.j., of course, had a long recovery, and remarkable the progress that he did while he was in the hospital. children's hospital just did a wonderful job with him. and with olympian plenty of sup his parents. it was amazing to see him recover that fast. >> how are you guys doing? you and joel each had injuries. how asthe recovery for you guys? >> you know what, we're doing just fine. approximately one month after the incident, i went back to work, and today, as a matter of fact, is joel's first day back since that incident. his wounds are all healed up now. and looking good. >> good. are you guys going to be a part of d.j.'s life? i mean, because there's a bond there, no denying that. >> oh, absolutely. and, you know, on tuesday night

i was able -- i had the privilege of being able to take d.j. out fishing out on my boat. truly, you know wrb to be a part of his life, yes, that bond was created at that incident, but it was the fact that, you know, now that he's healing and acting like a normal 5-year-old, it's just, for me personally, you know, i want to be a part of that and make sure he's going to have that good recovery. and if he needs any help, i'll be there to help him. >> chris, anything to say to john. i'm sure you guys have developed a relationship as well. >> yes. well, he's my brother in arms, he really is, him and joel are. they're my guardian angels. d.j. considers both them they're uncles. and john and joel's wife, they're aunts. that's how he addressed them as aunt and uncle. they're a part of our family, and they're going to be a part of our family. >> in the same spirit of sacrifice as john and joel and others that helped little d.j.

in that dire situation, we want to invite everybody. make sure i have the website right. helpingdavid.com if you want to help out. chris, did i get it right? that's the correct website? >> yes. >> thanks. forgive me for my emotions. i love this story. we do some tough ones, and this is a good one. john, joel again, we tip our hat to you and little l chris. tell d.j. we're thinking about him. go packers, huh? >> right on. >> thanks again. >> thank you. coming up, our heart's going to go the other way at this next story. a woman beaten up at a restaurant by a guy twice her size, and her little 7-year-old had to witness it. newshengngasough what to do.

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from an errand instead of driving. it's one of many cost-cutting steps they're taking since carrin, the family bread winner, was laid off in july from her job at accenture. >> at first, it's oh, my god, we're going to lose our job and be living on the street in cardboard box. >> carin decided to define her job loss as an opportunity, taking time with the family while taking time to find another job she loves. so they try to stretch carin's unemployment check and her 13-week severance to last a full year, determined not to dig into savings? >> how you do it? i have the rules posted at my desk. >> rules like live within your means. they're also do it yourselfers. chris, a stay at home dad, who is a woodworker, builds toys for his son max. >> my dad made it. that's the best. >> for the first time, carin set

up a budget. to stick to it, the family shops only for absolute necessities. the library is now a frequent stop as are other free community resources. >> they've had more fun since i lost my job than ever. >> having adopted facilities. they now say they truly appreciate small luxuries. >> if you pick just a couple of luxuries, like hershey bars, you really enjoy them. >> reporter: even as they stretch, they still donate 10% of karin's unemployment check to their church, living only a few days away from the neighborhood food pantry, they are often reminded of their blessing. >> so, i don't have a job right now. we've got a house. we've got food. we have nothing to complain about. >> reporter: allen chernoff, cnn.[ os ]

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tonight, insight into the life of an accused killer. we're now learning more about the 24-year-old lab tech accused of brutally murdering annie le. it appears raymond clark was living two lives. some say he was friendly and nice, but others describe a darker side to the accused killer. neighbors say he controlled his fiancee. and an ex-girlfriend reportedly claims he once forced her to have sex against her will, though charges were never filed. co-workers say clark took his job very seriously. and sources reportedly say he complained that le had left several lab cages dirty. could this have led to annie le's murder? did custodial clark see himself as lord of the lab? turning the tables on the liar.

the hofstra coed who made up the story to being gang raped now finds herself under the hot lights of the media. she railroaded these young men with a fictitious tale of gang rape. why were prosecutors trying to protect her identity after plastering pictures and the names of the accused rapists all over the media. brace yourself, for the very first look inside phillip garrido's house of horrors. more than 100 pictures were just released of this disgusting hell hole. it's a firsthand look at what police say is jaycee dugard's nightmare. the house is a complete dump. garbage everywhere. what insight does this give us into the sick mind of a rapist and accused kidnapper? "issues" starts now. tonight, a slue of new evidence into the horrific murder of the brilliant, beautiful, bride-to-be annie le. take a look at this.

"the new york daily news" reporting a trail of shocking physical evidence against raymond clark iii, who was charged with punching and then strangling annie le. "the daily news" reports dna tests prove, this is from the daily news, annie's blood is on clark's boots. which bizarrely had his name on them. the paper also says annie's dna and hair were found on raymond's body. the news adds, raymond clark's special green pen which he used to distinguish himself from his co-workers was also allegedly found in the lab basement after it fell into a crevice. you will not believe how he allegedly tried to retrieve the pen. "the daily news" reports that clark returned to work the next day with a backpack that contained wire, fishing hooks, and chewing gum to try to fish out the pen that got stuck in the crevice. does this guy think he's macgyver? meanwhile, wtic in hartford

claims cops are interrogating a second lab worker. all this as a chilling look at clark as a, quote, control freak at work, is coming into sharp relief. for clark's high school buddies, they're not having any of it. they came to his defense last night on "larry king." >> raymond clark is ray ray. i shouldn't even refer to him as raymond clark, ray ray. he's now the -- as of right now, the suspect in the annie le slaying at yale. >> right. >> this is not the raymond clark that i know. and, honestly, at the time being, i can't say that i believe he's guilty. >> ray ray? is that his nickname? and tonight's big issue, a theory we proposed right here on "issues." did raymond clark fancy himself lord of the lab? we'll investigate what some say was his need to be in charge. i am taking your phone calls. but first, straight out to my fantastic expert panel. drew findling, criminal defense

attorney. lisa bloom, cnn legal analyst. and yale university law school graduate. pat brown, criminal profiler and ceo of the pat brown criminal profiling agency. dr. dale archer, clinical psychiatrist. brian santoro, who has known raymond clark since he was 12, joins me by phone. brian, hang in there. i'll be right with you. first, randi kaye on the ground in new haven, connecticut. randi, you have some information about how they tracked raymond clark? tell us about it. >> reporter: i do, jane. we talked to the source today, who has very good knowledge of this investigation, very close to it. and he told me that they have been tracking raymond clark since before annie le's body was even found. he raised their suspicion when they saw him after viewing about 700 hours of videotape from the lab building security camera. they noticed him, i'm told, on that video walking out of the building after someone, possibly

him i'm told, pulled the fire alarm the day of the murder. they saw him on that videotape walking out of the building with his head in his hands, looking especially distraught. i can also tell you tonight that they -- the same source with knowledge of the investigation is also telling me that they did confirm that the victim's dna was found on raymond clark's body. >> wow! okay. the victim's dna. now, i've got to get my head around that. lisa bloom, the victim's dna allegedly found on raymond clark's body. but it was a while between when she disappeared and then was found, and when they finally picked him up. i remember asking the question when they cuffed him, well, wouldn't he have had ample opportunity to wash his hands? >> he's got a problem, jane. according to one report that i've seen, he told police initially that he didn't even see her on the day that she disappeared. so he's stuck with that story. he can't change it and say, oh, well, i can explain my dna was

on her because we hugged, we said hello, i gave her a kiss on the cheek. in the course of my lab work, i cut myself and i bled on her. all that is out, if indeed he made that statement he didn't see her that day. i think if all of this dna evidence, if it's true, it's over for him. there's no good explanation for it. >> ryan santoro, you know raymond clark, you hung out with him. is this the raymond clark that you know? >> i wouldn't necessarily say that i hung out with him. i haven't seen him for about six years. we played baseball from about 12 to 18 years old. we're both the same age. >> then you hung out with him from 12 to 18 years old with all due respect. if you played baseball with him. >> that's okay. >> it's a slow game. it lasts a long time. but go ahead. >> it's definitely not the ray i know, or knew. absolutely not. a lot of me and my teammates were definitely shocked over what's going on. >> i'm going to read some information here and then get

your reaction to it. clark allegedly sent annie le e-mails, criticizing her lax protocol when it came to handling myself and the other hygiene issues. now we're hearing chilling descriptions of his behavior with coworkers and could support our theory that clark fancied himself lord of the lab. investigators speculate his concern wasn't animal welfare, it was his need to be in charge. they described him, abc news quotes a co-worker who called him a control freak, very officious and very demanding. so ryan santoro, you played ball with him. does that match the person you knew? >> not really. he just played the game competitively and went out and played hard. i wouldn't necessarily see him being as a control freak, or anything along those lines. but then again, you know, those are, like you said, they're all theories. when it comes down to it, i think the facts need to play themselves out. in the long run, it's definitely not the person i knew.

and a lot of people change from when they turn 18 to 24. >> well, that's for sure. sometimes the ones who seem like the most clean-cut end up being the kids you've got to watch out for. sometimes the ones that look like they're trouble end up being the pussycats. you can never tell. >> jane, one small point. a lot of guys who commit acts of violence against women are very friendly with their male friends. we're not seeing any ex-girlfriends coming out of the woodwork saying what a great guy he is. >> no. as a matter of fact, dr. dale archer, there's an ex-girlfriend, who according to published reports, that i cannot confirm, allegedly called cops when she tried to break up with him when they were back in high school. and according to that police report, she reportedly said that he forced her at one point to have sex against her will, although no charges were ever filed because she continued the relationship for a while. >> yeah, i think that you often see that with an abusive individual, that lisa's exactly

right. they're very, very friendly and seem totally normal to their male friends. but with their girlfriends, it's when the controlling nature really comes to the front. but i really think that what we have here is not the fact that he was the lab control freak or that he was efficient and demanding. we all know efficient, demanding people that can be very god at their job. i still stand by the point that this was unrequited love. >> me, too. >> 90% of american has suffered unrequited love. we've done psychiatric studies on this and we know how horrible it is. >> i've suffered unrequited love. i didn't bludgeon somebody. >> no, jane. >> i suffered it several times. i just made a fool of myself, that's all i did. >> well, most of us go through it. we're sad or we're wiser and say just because i love somebody doesn't mean they're going to love me. but for somebody who is right on the edge, this stress can be enough to push them over the edge. >> i want to look at my panel for a second. let's look at the whole panel. has anybody here not suffered

unrequited love? raise your hand. okay. so everybody has suffered it. all right. so i understand what you're saying, but that's no excuse. >> that's very important, though. it's not an excuse, but for somebody who is already right to that edge, this stress can be enough to tip them over the edge. i think that he went down in that lab not to murder her, but to profess his love to her with hope against hope that she was going to reciprocate to him. when she did not, he absolutely snapped. this was a passionate and brutal and emotional murder. there were fabrics of the cloth found deep inside her neck. it takes five minutes to strangle somebody. so this was very emotional in nature. and love is the strongest human emotion. and when it's not returned in a person that's already on the edge, this can be the result. >> jane, i think we're -- >> we're going to take that in one second. we're going to take a break. thank you so much for updating us on this story. all right. more on the brutal murder of annie le in just a moment. we're also taking your calls on

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in 2003, in high school, he became involved with a girl and whether it became physical or not, i do not know the extent of that. >> he never was arrested or anything like that. but it just seemed like there was a problem within the relationship. and, you know, it was something between them two. >> in 2003, raymond clark's high school girlfriend filed a police report after what she said was "forced sex." listen to what ray's neighbor had to say about his current relationship. >> i could just tell you he was controlling over his girlfriend.

and anytime she tried to talk to me, he would just say, "let's go, hurry up." i didn't know him that well, but what i did know of him was that i did hear them yelling upstairs. mostly him yelling at his girlfriend. >> this current jennifer pictured here with raymond on the cbs.com website recently made headlines. last year she shot down rumors about an alleged affair between raymond and the co-worker at the lab on her myspace page. and there's just a mountain of evidence coming in. randi kaye, thanks for sticking around. you say you have some new information to give us. >> our source with pretty good knowledge of this investigation, jane, told me how they tracked raymond clark and how they eventually arrested him. it turns out they were tracking him from even before annie le's body was found. they actually went to his parents' home about 24 miles away from the yale campus where i am right now, and on sunday, the day that the body wad found,

jane, he was playing softball and detectives were in the bleachers, in the stands watching him play softball, keeping an eye on him. and then, of course, we know they went to his apartment, that's when they demanded the dna samples, the saliva sample and a sample from under his fingernails as well. eventually they tracked him down at that super 8 motel, also about 25 miles or so from here. and made the arrest. what is really interesting here is they say at first they didn't want him to know they were tracking him and they were on his trail, but eventually they did want him to. they were almost baiting him, walking around, making sure their badges were displayed walking around his apartment, hoping, really almost playing a mind game, hoping he would come out and talk to him and maybe even confess. >> wow, fascinating stuff. pat brown, i am always stunned when they say somebody who is suspected of a horrific crime goes and does something like play softball. that's chilling, if he did this. >> it's a little creepy, yes.

i want to go back to the unrequited love thing. i've been angry all day about this. he killed this girl over some dirty cages. that's just ridiculous. the unrequited thing is not unrequited love but unrequited why can't i get the cheerleader? in other words, i'm not the most successful guy in the world. six years out of high school, i'm cleaning rat cages, all right? here i have this girl in front of me. she's a knockout girl. she's stunningly beautiful, brilliantly educated. why can't i get that girl? why is she going to go marry somebody else? that's an insult to anybody who has a psychopathic nature. they believe they're entitled to that. if a woman doesn't respond to them when they want that woman, it's an insult to me, how dare you turn me down. make him feel like the little guy. >> remember, he was a member of the asian awareness club in high school. >> right. >> and she is vietnamese-american. >> absolutely. >> rachel in florida, your question or thought? >> caller: hi, jane. i was wondering, what exactly -- have they questioned his fiance or talked to them? they're talking to his high

school and his friends. but have they talked to his fiancee? what exactly is she saying? >> well, i'm sure, lisa bloom, they've interviewed his fiancee. she worked at the lab along with his brother-in-law and sister. >> i'm sure they have tried to. she may have refused to cooperate. remember, the people that we're seeing on tv are the people who have agreed to give media interviews. that's not the same group that have talked to the police. she may very well have given a police interview. she certainly has not spoken to the media yet. i'm sure all the morning show bookers are circling her house trying to get that interview with her. so far she's kept her mouth shut. >> another huge development, wtic reporting today cops are interrogating another lab employee in annie le's murder. here's what police had to say about other possible suspects. >> are you saying it's possible there could be more? >> you never know where the evidence will take you. i don't have any reason to believe that, but as i told you before, we will not -- we don't have tunnel vision here.

>> all right. and we just mentioned raymond clark's fiancee, brother and sister-in-law all worked in that same animal testing lab at yale. reportedly, none has been inside the building since clark's arrest. again, "the new york daily news" reporting clark spent an hour with annie le's lifeless body before he left. drew findling, the big question, what did he do during that hour? obviously they could find out if he made phone calls to get help in disposing the body? >> clearly they'll put a timeline together to see whether or not he was text messaging or making phone calls during that period of time. also, obviously they're going to make the allegation during that period of time, that he was trying to secret away the evidence of the crime. that's fairly obvious. they're going to allege that. jane, i do want to say, though, i feel compelled to say there's a lot of conjecture about him loving and this and that. a psychopathic comment was made. i can tell you right now that defense attorneys would be remisnot to look into

psychiatric issues. we're not necessarily talking about insanity, but you have to anticipate as a defense attorney and these public defenders will, mitigation. if you're getting slammed by dna, you have to start thinking about it. and as dr. archer -- >> yeah, except -- >> he hides her body in a wall. that sounds like premeditated murder to me. >> as dr. archer -- >> wait a second. the president of yale says there's nothing in his history that would lead us to believe that he would be capable of murder. >> i doubt the president of yale is spending time with willard over here. >> let's not insult the animals while we're talking about this. those animals go through a lot in those tests. >> ben was the animal, willard was the owner. as dr. archer will tell you, though, most mental illnesses so often start manifesting themselves in the early 20s. >> oh, please. >> jane, you make a good point about the animals, by the way. there was a good "new york times" piece about people who worked in this particular lab and had to kill animals on a regular basis became desensitized.

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president george h.w. bush. all the more reason to be shocked. there she is, with the former prez. shocked that robin meade reveals in her new book that panic attacks almost caused her on-camera career to collapse. jump out of that plane, robin. three, two, one, there you go! that's a person who lacks in self confidence? robin writes about her ordeal in stunning detail. so others can learn how she battled panic attacks and won. her amazing book, "morning sunshine:how to radiate confidence and feel it too." we had a very revealing conversation about her struggle. robin, welcome. i read your book. and i really loved it. i want to congratulate you, first of all, on having the courage to honestly discuss a problem others might want to keep secret. why have you decided to tell this very personal story about your battle with your insecurities? >> yeah. you know what, for a long time i kept it secret, too, and it did

no service to me to keep it under wraps. to me, the book is about my story and the way i dealt with panic attacks, anxiety, really debilitating panic attacks. but it's under the umbrella of self-confidence. because who among us has not had some issue with self confidence? so i wrote this book, and i want people not buy a book and walk away and say i didn't learn anything from her. it's really revealing. i think it's funny sometimes that i'm really put out there, that it's stuff that you wouldn't normally hear from a news anchor, like all my little neurocies, like what i have to have on my bedstand every night. >> that's one of the reasons i loved it, it was so honest and revealed so much. and they say you can save your face or you can save your heinie, i guess you chose to save your heinie. but robin, you lead what many see as a very charmed life. when i was reading the book i was like, wow, she was the homecoming queen, which almost every girl dreams of that. you were also miss ohio. that has to be a huge validation.

it seems like you were one of those people who had it all. but as they say, happiness is an inside job and we can't compare what's on the inside with what's on the outside. why such a disparity between what was the appearance and what was happening inside? >> yeah. so i think that my panic attacks and anxiety manifested themselves physically after a lifetime of really making my value, to my value was, whether someone liked me. so is someone didn't like me, and i couldn't make you like me, then i was almost of no value to myself. isn't that the weirdest thing? in other words, i was putting everyone else's opinion about me on a pedestal above my own opinion of myself. so my self-worth was whether they liked me or not. whereas a lot of people go, self esteem is about how you feel about how you look. it wasn't that for me. it was whether i could win you over. and what i could do to make you like me. that was my power. or where i was powerless. >> one of my favorite parts of the book, embracing your inner

bitch. i can say that, because it's in here. >> because it's jane velez-mitchell, we can say that, all right? i love it. i haven't been able to say this on a tv show yet. i think when it comes to self confidence and really feeling self esteem, so many of us will dismiss little parts of ourselves that we don't want to embrace and say that's really not part of me. to me, i wanted to be polyanna, apparently, because i wanted to make you like me. so, therefore, i would con seal that bitchy part of me. i don't mean you should fly around on a broom and zap your neighbor. but we have parts of us that aren't very likable that we keep hidden from the public. my husband deals with it at home, right? he has to deal with the -- all sides. i'm saying that i think in order to be really confident and have self esteem, all of us need to embrace all those parts of our personality that we hide away. you know, what is like being nice anyway. so many of us women i think are

like, we should be nice. well, i think that you should be helpful to people and kind, but what is nice? where is that going to get you anyway? embrace the bitch. >> i'm embracing my inner bitch right now. watch out, people! i'm not a people pleaser anymore. >> through go. it's tough, because i think a lot of people are people plee r pleasers. i fall in that category. jane, you admitted you've fallen in that category. that is what you call self-confidence. on the back of my book, it really touched the heart, i think, the issue. self-esteem comes from within. self-confidence is what you get from other people. self-esteem is right there. no one can touch it. >> it's ego based to seek approval from people is an ego-based thing. where as to be service to people, it's about helping others. i have to tell you, i read your book, and i did one of the exercises. because like you, i have problems.

and you say, if you find out how your problem is benefiting you, and you write it down, then you can get rid of that problem. so i took a problem that i have, which i won't share, and i wrote down three pages of how i was benefiting. first i thought just like you, i'm not benefiting. no, i was. i am benefiting. every problem we have, on some subconscious level, we're getting something out of it, otherwise we would let it go. i thought that was brilliant. >> thank you. it is a real mind flip if you can tell yourself, this thing i really hate and it is such a big, you know, mountain of a problem in my life, is really a benefit to me. so for me these panic attacks, i had them about ten years ago, on the air no less. i'm supposed to be a news anchor, journalist with the voice of information. and i could barely breathe for some reason. i started having these panic attacks. not stage fright, but panic attacks because i wanted to be perfect. i wanted the audience to like me. if i screwed up, oh, no, i might lose my job. so i had to do a mind flip and think, how are these panic attacks a benefit to me? well, they don't. they suck! but i had to make my mind go, well, the panic attacks will

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and one of the inmates just happens to be misty croslin's brother. remember, misty, she's that chain smoking teenager married to haleigh's dad ronald. she was babysitting haleigh the night she was abducted. but claims to have slept through the entire thing. remember, last month, haleigh's dad was arrested after he allegedly got into a fight with family members. turns out he was fighting with misty's brother, hank, the same guy who was just questioned by police. did this fight have anything to do with haleigh's disappearance? do cops have any suspects? this family really has to get their act together if they have any hope of finding this precious child. and that is tonight's "top of the block." horrifying, and i mean horrifying new developments just in to hln. police have found another bone on phillip garrido's property. and cadaver dogs hit on a human scent. are human remains buried there? >> after the dog gave what is determined to be somewhat of a tentative look at the -- or tentative feel for the cadaver,

we brought in the second dog, and he also indicated on that particular part of the property. >> just now, cops announce ground penetrating radar confirms there is something under that spot. is it a dead body? does this terrifying den hold clues into the abduction of two little girls? plus, gruesome new photos of phillip garrido's house of horrors. we're taking you deep inside the rapist and accused kidnapper's filthy, and i mean filthy, beyond comprehension filthy lair. did jaycee dugard's alleged captor hold other children hostage in this terrifying madhouse? check out what we spotted in garrido's dining room. how crazy is this? it looks like a portrait of garrido with a little girl. who is that little girl? police continue to dig through truckloads of trash searching for bones, teeth, in this chilling interview from jail, garrido hints of the nightmares

that occurred at his home. >> wait until you hear the story of what took place at this house. and you're going to be absolutely impressed. it's a disgusting thing that took place in the beginning. but i turned my life completely around, and to be able to understand it, you have to start there. >> oh, really? that's a completely turned-around life, that living room there. it will take days, the cops say the search will provide answers. straight out to my fantastic expert panel. pat brown, criminal profiler. let me ask you, what are the photos of that mind-boggling mess, filth, disarray, gross stuff, piled, the dirty dishes, it goes on and on, what does it say about this man's state of mind? >> i would say it's not terribly interested in that aspect of his life. he's too interested in what he can control when it comes down to little people. what's really frightening is did he get ahold of a couple little

girls before jaycee that didn't cooperate the way jaycee did? it takes a while -- you have to get the right kid. if the kid doesn't seem to go along with the program and objects too much, you know, you might want to get yourself another one. >> well, yeah, that's what's really scary. lisa bloom, they're saying that there are concrete slabs on the property, and those concrete slabs could hide the scent of human decomposition. that's why they brought in the cadaver dogs, archaeological dogs who can tell whether these are very old bones, let's say a native american burial ground, or if these bones are more recent. >> yeah. and if there's anybody capable of making a makeshift grave, it's phillip garrido. look at the elaborate structures of sheds and tents that he had in the backyard to hide jaycee and her two daughters. i think these photos of the home would be prima facie evidence in a court of law of child neglect if anybody knew that he had kids. but what about the probation officers who were supposed to be doing random home visits to his home?

they said they did do them, but didn't go into the backyard. but even if you went into the house and you saw this fill the and the way this man was living -- and you saw this picturative little girl, good catch, by the way -- shouldn't that have led to more of an investigation? how did they allow this man to go unsearched for so many years? >> you know what i think? dr. dale archer, the outside of the house, and i've seen photographs of it, looks neat. the inside obviously a total sty. i'm getting the feeling they didn't go in. the parole officers never went in. i'm getting the feeling this was just such window dressing, because the neighbors could have told them that they had teenage girls there. because they went to their parties. one step inside this house, as lisa just said, would show you everything you need to know that somebody is cuckoo for cocoa puffs. yet they're like, he's on parole for year after year, decade after decade, no problems. >> the smartest person in the whole case was the neighbor who called in and said, he is a psychotic sex addict. she was absolutely right.

and we know that one of the signs of psychosis is a thought disorder, which is jumbled into logical thinking, often these folks manifest this externally with very filthy and cluttered living conditions. so i think this house should be a red flag to any trained individual. >> that's what i said. >> jane, i'm going to tell you -- jane, i've talked about it on this show before. politicians have taken the sexual registry which had good intent to go after predators, track predators, and they've expanded it and expanded it to cover false imprisonment and domestic cases. and these parole officers -- >> but this guy is convicted of kidnapping of a stranger and forcible rape. >> hold it a second. but the problem is, that the probation officer and parole officers that monitor people in the sexual registry are overworked. they're running around checking on people who shouldn't be on the registry. they should be looking after people like this person, but they don't have the opportunity.

the same thing we looked at when haleigh cummings' case first started. there were so many -- >> i don't buy it. and i don't think lisa bloom buys it either. >> i don't buy it. >> i think they're overstretched and you can only expect so much. if we the citizens don't fund them, we're not going to get the kind of searches that we want. but in this case, this is a guy who was convicted of grabbing a stranger, a 25-year-old back in 1977, taking her to a storage area that he had constructed for the purpose of raping her. and then raped her for many hours. that was what he was convicted of. this is a guy who should have been watched closely. since we know he constructs special shelters for raping people, my goodness, how did they fail to check the backyard. >> the people that should be checking on him are checking on people they have no business checking on. it's something that needs to be addressed. it's hampering law enforcement. and ultimately what happens is, somebody is victimized for 19 years, because politicians got in the way, so they can get a few extra votes. the problem is the sexual registry. >> that is ridiculous to blame this on the politicians.

>> i'm not going to blame everything on lack of funding. >> it isn't lack of funding. >> that's like a catch-all. everything's a lack of funding. you know what, sometimes it's a lack of brain power to put two and two together, when the neighbors are doing that. >> absolutely. >> i think it's laziness, really. it's doing the least you can do. let me say this. let me say one more thing. >> the real problem here is he should have gone to jail for life. he should have gotten life. can you end all of this problem. any man who steps across a line to abduct a stranger and put her in a shed and rape her, you don't have to go to a counselor don't have to worry about the patr parole officers, and check anything out. >> prioritizing cases where women and children are victims. that's a factor as well. >> when the parole officer was called by those quick-witted law enforcement officers who saw this guy with his teenage daughters, the university of berkeley campus, she called them and said, he's got two daughters and he's on parole.

and they said, oh, no, he doesn't have daughters. maybe they're granddaughters. in other words, even when presented with the facts, the parole officer said, oh, you know, he doesn't have daughters. maybe they're granddaughters. that, to me -- >> not making the safety of women and children a priority. doesn't have any granddaughters. he's a convicted rapist. put two and two together and prioritize the safety of girls and women. i think that's the key factor. >> and again -- >> absolutely. >> we're talking about taking one step inside the house, looking around with a complaint that's been filed and saying, oh, wow, something is wrong. this needs to be investigated further. one look in the house, any trained individual would know there's something going on. >> let's face it, if he said that, it would be more paperwork to do. >> all right. hang on, everybody. hang on. phillip garrido admitted to using lsd and acid. this by the way, national recovery month. great time to get sober.

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