breaking news tonight. satsuma, florida. a 5-year-old little girl tucked into bed. five hours later she's gone. vanished. the back door propped wide open. daddy comes home from the night shift to find not a trace of little haleigh. bombshell tonight. after girlfriend turned new stepmom misty croslin's brother thrown behind bars on a gun charge, a break in the case. in a late-night jailhouse interrogation we learn the brother finally confesses he

goes to haleigh's house the night she goes missing, pounds on the door repeatedly, over, over, and over. nobody home. in a stunning twist the brother's confession cracks this case wide open. at the same time investigators hone in on a heavily wooded area, and in the last 24 hours drain a local pond in connection with haleigh. as girlfriend turned stepmom misty croslin flunks another polygraph, her family distancing themselves from her. tonight, where is haleigh? >> i just woke up and my back door was open and we can't find our daughter. >> can't find what? >> our daughter. >> law enforcement sources confirm it appears stepmom/babysitter misty croslin was not home the night haleigh went missing. >> i walked in the kitchen and the back door's wide open. and i go in her room and she's gone.

and that's all i know. is when i woke up -- when i went to sleep, she was there, and then when i woke up she was gone. >> her story's changed several times. i just hope she would not have nothing to do with this. >> misty croslin's brother, tommy croslin, told authorities that he went to haleigh's home around 10:00 p.m. that night looking for sister misty. but the lights were all off, there were no sounds coming from the home, and no answer when he knocked on the door. >> i know i didn't do anything to that little girl. >> here's the back screen door. the one that was propped open with the cinder block. okay? now, if you see -- when it closes, it, it makes a loud noise. but if you leave this door, this slowly closes as well. >> i feel like if she knows something i don't think she's purposely hiding it. >> do you believe she left the home and left the children alone, ronald? >> absolutely not. and tonight, live to connecticut and the sudden

disappearance of a gorgeous young ivy league doctoral student just before she's set to walk down the aisle. the 24-year-old beauty last spotted on grainy surveillance video walking into a yale research building. a false fire alarm mysteriously goes off in the building. people rush out. annie le is never seen again. at nearly the exact hour le set to walk down the aisle, wedding dress on a hanger in the closet, flowers ordered, the girl's body found stuffed in a two-foot wall cable space there at yale's research building. bloody clothes found high over investigators' heads, behind ceiling tiles. in the early morning hours police storm a super 8 motel to arrest 24-year-old lab tech raymond clark on murder one. reports tonight clark so desperate to hide the murder he allegedly broke bones and

mangled le's body to make it fit in a 24-inch wall space. cops say no. cause of death, le manually strangled to death. key card swipes placing clark at the crime scene before and after le last seen alive, revealing he's in and out of the lab no less than ten times. tonight we learn even using the dead girl's security swipe card. as we go to air, we also learn clark free to roam various yale buildings. his security key card still intact, even after police target him. in the last hours cops seize raymond clark's father's car. clark clamming up behind bars. was this brutal and senseless murder over laboratory mice cages? with a community and a university reeling, a family grieving, a young groom left at the altar with a broken heart,

tonight we want justice for 24-year-old bride-to-be annie le. "the new york post" reporting through an unnamed source that accused murderer raymond clark allegedly crushed yale grad student annie le's body and broke her bones so he could fit her into a wall opening the size of a computer monitor. the paper saying the murderer would have had to maneuver annie's body around pipes. a source telling "the new york post" that in clark's haste to cover his tracks after le was killed clark allegedly accidentally tripped a fire alarm. new haven police deny annie's body was broken, squashed, or mutilated, saying the report is incorrect. this as raymond clark is not talking to investigators in jail. and yale university now saying that clark's i.d. card was still

active until he was arrested. clark's card allowing him access to campus buildings, even though he had earlier been named a person of interest. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. bombshell tonight. after girlfriend turned stepmother misty croslin's brother thrown behind bars on a gun charge, a break in the case. in a late-night jailhouse interrogation we learn the brother finally confesses he goes to haleigh's house the night she goes missing, pounds on the door repeatedly. nobody home. >> i just got home from work. my 5-year-old daughter is gone. i need somebody to be here now. >> 3:00 in the morning i got up and i got up because i had to use the bathroom, but i didn't make it to the bathroom. i seen the kitchen light on, and i walked in the kitchen and the back door's wide open. >> police sources confirmed stepmom/babysitter misty

croslin's brother told cops that he went to haleigh's home around 10:00 p.m. the night the child went missing. and it appeared nobody was home. >> right beside me on my left is the bed where misty croslin was sleeping, and here on the right we have the bed where little haleigh was sleeping. and you can see it is all but about 3 1/2 feet from each other. and this is right where misty said she got up and she had to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night. >> tommy croslin told detectives that ronald cummings asked him to go to the home to look for misty croslin. tommy croslin says when he arrived at the home the lights were all off and no sounds were coming from inside the home. >> people think that i had something to do with it. if i had something to do with it, i knew where she was, we wouldn't be sitting here today. we would have her. >> everything she says is crazy. >> is there any possibility that she left the home that evening and hasn't told you? >> if there is a possibility of it, i don't know anything about

it. >> straight out to t.j. hart, program news director at wsky, 97.3. t.j., what can you tell us? this is a huge bombshell in the case. >> it certainly is. detectives at the putnam county sheriff's office say that tommy told them he received a call from ronald cummings while ronald was at work that night. >> whoa. back it up. back it up. tommy is misty croslin, the girlfriend turned stepmother's brother. the brother has been taken in custody over some argument with neighbors over a gun. >> correct. absolutely. >> so he's behind bars on a $50,000 bond. and let me just tell you this, t.j. heart. you don't get a $50,000 bond on a gun charge. all right? >> no, you don't. >> so they are clearly keeping him behind bars, hoping he'll talk about haleigh. go ahead. >> purposely, they are. and they've admitted as such. and now, what had happened on that night, tommy tells the detectives with the putnam county sheriff's office that ronald had called him from work

stating that he wanted tommy to go down and check on the trailer. he'd not been able to reach misty since they had a fight on the telephone earlier that evening. this is about the 10:00 hour. he agrees, he goes down to the trailer. he tells police that he he banged on the door and he got no answer. he looked inside through the windows, saw no lights, no television, did not hear a sound. it was quiet. according to police, he stopped just short of saying no one was at home. all family members involved in this situation were told of tommy's comments about that night. putnam county authorities thought it was a bit strange that in all the hustle and bustle and the confusion during the draining of a pond over the weekend that people who had been doing all the finger pointing earlier, misty, tommy, ronald, that each one chose to keep that part quiet when they were talking to the media, especially after so much of the dirty laundry, so to say, got played out in the press. and it's making law enforcement even more curious and somewhat

suspicious of it all, nancy. >> to marlaina schiavo, our producer who's been on the case from the beginning. marlaina, we showed repeatedly you in the home. now, it's a trailer. okay? do we have marlaina? marlaina schiavo, are you with me? >> i can hear you, nancy. >> so marlaina, you saw the front door where the brother's banging on the door. it's 10:00 at night. >> that's right. >> is there any way anybody, even if they had just gone to sleep, because she said she laid down on the bed sometime around 10:00 -- >> right. >> -- wouldn't hear that? i mean, it's a trailer, marlaina. >> there's no way she wouldn't have heard that. nancy, that front door is all but ten feet from the bedroom where misty was sleeping with haleigh and junior that night. so if someone's wailing on the door, there's no way she couldn't have heard that whatsoever. and the fact that the lights were out, nancy, and there was no tv on, that didn't make any sense either. >> to article harris, investigative journalist at www.artharris.com.

art, you've been down there for months on end. what have you learned? >> nancy, i can tell you that door that marlaina's talking about has a double-pane glass. you can see right in there. so any glimmer from a tv set, misty said that the kids were watching two movies. junior in the living room. just a few feet from the door. her daughter -- her stepdaughter haleigh in the bedroom. somebody would have seen a light. and it was not on. >> okay, art, let me ask you a question. you remember the door that misty croslin says was -- she found propped open with a cinder block. if you're at the front door, how far away are you from that door that was allegedly propped open? >> well, it's very close, nancy. >> it's on the back or the side? >> it's a side. and then there's a front door. so it's probably about 20 feet. >> so that door is on the side? >> it's my understanding. it's on the side. there's a little ramp that goes up to it. >> okay.

tonight, misty croslin's brother behind bars on a gun charge. now confessing he was at the home the night haleigh goes missing, bangs on the door, nobody home. this means that misty croslin's story is false, if the brother is to be believed. >> was the bed made? >> no. i was sleeping in that bed. how would the bed be made if someone's sleeping in the bed? i wasn't the only one sleeping in it. but how would it -- me and his son. how would the bed be made if we were in the bed sleeping? ever worn your clothes in the shower? if you're using other moisturizing body washes,

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the truth. >> you trust him? because that's what this case comes down to. >> stephen bochco's "raising the bar." mondays at 10:00 on tnt. and pick up nancy's new book "the eleventh victim." available now wherever books are sold. i'm trying to do everything to find her. you know, i'm -- answer any questions i have to. because i know i didn't do anything with -- to that little girl. i would never hurt her. i mean, they love me. they -- they look at me like their mom. you know. you ask little junior. he'll tell you. you know, they talk lovely about me. and i'm so good to them kids. >> i pulled into the yard. the front door was wide open. she was standing in it. i asked her what she was doing up. she told me that the back door was wide open and haleigh was gone. i turned the house upside down and told her to call 911. >> let me show you the back door and show you how both doors close automatically. so -- and i'm also going to show you the lock. because the lock is about three feet from the floor. and we know that that's about as

tall as haleigh stands. >> i did take a polygraph. >> and you passed it? >> i mean, my understanding is i passed it. >> what is her story about what happened that night? >> the same thing that she's telling police or whoever, that she went to -- she put haleigh to bed and done some laundry, went to bed, and woke up to the door propped open. >> do you believe that misty was indeed home and that she's been telling the truth? >> yeah, i believe she's telling the truth. >> we're seven months in to what could potentially be a homicide, a child homicide case. we know it's a kidnapping case. and we are just now learning the truth about the night little haleigh goes missing? back to art harris. seven months, art harris, this brother has sat on his thumb, and it takes cops putting him in jail on a legitimate gun charge before he finally says i went to the home that night and nobody was home? >> nancy, the big question that

investigators want to know is why did he hang on to this information and why also did people in the family not reveal it as well? presumably he has told some other people, i'm told by investigators, and they want to know who's been covering up. >> out to a special guest joining us tonight exclusively out of jacksonville. it's teresa neves. this is haleigh's paternal grandmother. miss neves, thank you for being with us. >> thank you, miss nancy. >> miss neves, all along you have stated that you believed misty croslin. now that you hear this, what do you think? >> i'm going to tell you, miss nancy, i have stated all along and i will continue to state that my grandchildren love misty and that misty loved my grandchildren. and this statement by tommy croslin to me doesn't hold any water. >> why? >> i'm sorry, but -- why wait

seven months? why say that -- you know, if he went down there, my personal opinion, if i went there and knocked and everything was off, i would think they were sleeping. >> but miss neves, you've been in the trailer just like we have been, and somebody pounding on the front door as close as her bed was to the front door, you would hear it. >> well -- >> it's ten feet away. >> this is true. i tend to think that she was very exhausted and wanted -- >> you can't have it both ways. you can't say they were asleep and yes, she would have heard it. >> no. i'm trying to say that i think the children would have been more likely to hear it because i believe that because of the places she had been prior to that and the fact that she had been up all night with a conversation with ronald -- >> it was just 10:00. and her own statement is that around or a little after 10:00

is when she laid down. >> no, i'm talking about the night before, miss nancy. she was up the night before. >> i'm talking about that night. the night haleigh goes missing. according to her own statement she may have been awake at the time the brother came to the door. >> okay. >> if she were home. >> yes, ma'am. >> miss neves, i mean, this isn't ringing a red bell of alarm in your mind? >> if it was coming from somebody else. you know, i just don't know if this is a statement made in order to -- >> okay. understood. understood. let's unleash the lawyers. we are taking your calls live. eleanor dixon, felony prosecutor, atlanta. peter odom, veteran defense attorney, former prosecutor atlanta. alex sanchez, renowned defense attorney out of new york. eleanor. when you're trying to determine the veracity or the truth of a witness's statement, you look for things that corroborate that statement.

you and i have had to go in front of juries many, many times. listen, dope dealers, robbers, murderers, they don't hang out with nuns and priests and virgins. so often you have to corroborate what witnesses say. >> exactly. >> so let's take a look. what do we have in corroboration, eleanor? we have that night ronald cummings admittedly trying to reach misty croslin. she had been gone for three days, awol. partying three days. she comes home that night, they get in a huge big fight. he has to go to work. and by his own admission he calls, he calls-e calls, he calls, she won't pick up. he's calling all of her family. that corroborates what the brother's saying, that ronald called him and said i can't get her on the phone, please go to the house and check on her. >> you're exactly right, nancy. and what else helps as far as looking at it from the state's perspective is that misty's timeline doesn't make sense and her story changes. so the ring of truth is that somebody went there and she wasn't home when they knocked.

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what time did she go to bed? >> approximately 10:30, 11:00. >> 10:30, 11:00. at that time was little haleigh in the bed asleep with the brother? >> yes. >> and they all slept together in the same bed, correct? >> yes. >> right beside me on my left is the bed where misty croslin was sleeping, and here on the right we have the bed where little haleigh was sleeping. >> for somebody to walk in the house and pick up a child laying beside another person is just ridiculous. >> straight back to haleigh's grandmother, teresa neves. miss neves. >> yes, ma'am. >> you know i respect you and i care about you. >> and i you. >> you just heard your son, ronald cummings, who has apparently taken and passed a polygraph. he's answered questions from viewers live on tv. we don't know what the questions are before they're called in.

say that she went to bed between 10:30 and 11:00. which means she would have been awake when the brother came over there banging on the door. >> okay. >> which means one of them are lying. >> i'm -- miss nancy, i just want to clarify that misty came home on sunday evening and she and ronald were up all night sunday night until the evening of monday, when she -- i was told that she went to bed at 10:00. now, being that exhausted, i think that maybe you could sleep through somebody beating on the door. i don't think the kids would have. but i don't know that they would have opened the door, either. if she went to bed at 10:30,

then you know -- i just don't know what the validity of the story is. >> he told me that if i didn't take the test that he wasn't going to look for haleigh. and that's why i took them tests, because i don't want no one to stop looking for haleigh.

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and our children. any one. nobody knows where there's a psycho or sicko. nobody knows. >> she is scared of the dark. she would not go anywhere by herself. i did take a polygraph. i mean, my understanding is i passed it, you know. >> ronald, has the theory that misty left the home sometime during the night -- >> and tonight, a break in the case. croslin's brother behind bars on a minor gun charge. the bail's $50,000. you can't make the bail. in a late-night jailhouse interrogation he confesses he was at the home. haleigh cummings' home the night she goes missing and nobody else was there. he banged and banged and banged on the door about ten feet from her bed. no answer. we are taking your calls live. to cheryl in minnesota. hi, cheryl. >> caller: hi, nancy. thanks for taking my call. >> thank you for calling, dear. what's your question? >> caller: i have two really quick questions, nancy. first of all, why didn't haleigh's father tell anyone he asked misty's brother to go and

check on everything since they had an argument that night? >> okay. >> caller: the second is if misty continues to fail polygraph tests why don't they issue a warrant for her arrest or at least take her in and do some interrogation? >> okay. to terry shoemaker. this is the attorney for ronald cummings, haleigh's father. what does he have to say about this revelation? >> well, he's kind of shocked that misty's brother went over there that evening. he said all along that he did call the house of hank jr. and asked him whether or not misty was there. but he doesn't -- he's never said that he asked them to go look for her. he just asked if she was over there. and that was at about 9:00. so i think hank jr.'s timeline is a little off. >> well, it sounds like everybody has a very, let me just say, shifting timeline, mr. shoemaker. so i'm not exactly sure that

anybody knows what time it is in satsuma, florida the night haleigh went missing. so he does say that he called the brother and asked him was misty there? >> yeah. he didn't specifically call hank jr.'s cell phone. he called the house of hank -- hank jr. and his family. and that was at -- >> did he talk to the brother? >> i don't know who he spoke with. i know when we were speaking with fdle that a call came up and they questioned him about it and he said he called to ask if misty was at the house at that time. >> to marlaina schiavo, our producer on the story. marlaina, we have gotten in touch with his attorney and after he goes through the usual legal jargon, he's trying to defend his clients, bassically it boils down to this. he didn't go in the house, did he? so does he really know she wasn't home? did you get something else out of that statement? >> no, that's pretty much what he said. and he also said that his client still denies that she left the home that night. and -- >> go ahead, dear. >> and he also said, that you

know, she may have slept through it, she may have ignored her brother, but he has to get to the bottom of it. he actually hasn't even spoken to misty that much about this interview. i mean, with the tidbits he just gave us. because she didn't even tell him that she was going to speak to police. police hadn't even contacted him. so they're all over the place down there, nancy. >> to gale in north carolina. hi, gale. >> caller: hi, nancy, how are you? >> i'm good, dear. what's your question? >> caller: i'm wondering if the fact that misty possibly left the house, has anybody questions her friends or like people that she hangs out with to see if they may know anything? >> good question. what about it, t.j. hart? >> they've been asking a lot of people a lot of questions. especially a circle of friends including nene prevat. she was one of the people questioned inside the putnam county jail over the last several days. she's being held there on other charges as well. but none of her testimony has really amounted to a diddle as far as the police are saying right now.

>> and out to the lawyers, eleanor dixon, peter odom, alex sanchez. peter odom, let's go to cheryl's second question. excuse me, gail's second question. now that she's flunked two polygraphs, gail wants to know why police don't just go ahead and issue a warrant for her arrest? now, try, people, give it your best, put it in a nutshell. >> polygraphs are unreliable. it would be foolish and foolhardy and unprofessional to arrest someone on the basis of a polygraph alone. >> okay. alex, just i couple of yes-nos. have you ever had one of your clients take a polygraph? >> yes, i have. >> because you believe polygraphs do work, yes? >> because i was interested in seeing what the defendant had to say. and he tells me he was innocent, and i decided to give a polygraph. >> now, instead of saying, as mr. odom does, that they are unreliable, isn't it true that under our constitution and under the law as it exists that a polygraph is not admissible in court unless both sides stipulate to admissibility prior

to the poly being taken? that didn't happen here. so police can't make an arrest just on a poly. they need more than that. >> a polygraph is not a substitute for hard evidence in the case. a polygraph is not admissible in any court in the united states. and therefore, if she failed a polygraph, as that questioner had called, you just can't arrest somebody simply because they failed a polygraph. and you can't even haul them back into the police station to ask them more questions based on that. >> to thomas ruskin, private investigator, former nypd detective, thomas, what do you make of this? >> listen, i am sort of shocked by this whole thing. i'm shocked that ronald's cell phones weren't gone through much more intently by the police, to see how long the call was, did tommy call him back, and what happened from then. i'm also shocked that they haven't reinterviewed ronald at this point in time to ask him the questions. and i'd love to ask his attor y attorney, would he go back in and talk to the police at this point in time? because i'd like to know that. >> to dr. janet taylor,

psychiatrist and physician, medical doctor, dr. taylor, thank you for being with us. >> you're welcome. >> here you are seeing a split between brother and sister. misty croslin's entire family is now distancing themselves from her. the mother and the father have both side she may not have been home that night. one of them says they think that she's holding back about what happened that night. what do you make of it? i find it very difficult to believe a family would unfairly target their own daughter and sister. >> well, clearly, they've known her the longest. they know what she's capable of. and they also know her personality. so i really trust what they're saying now. and i think we have to, given this new information, have to investigate it further and look at her character and the potential that she really knows a lot more than she's saying. >> art harris at www.artharris.com. art, what can you tell me about the pond that was drained in the last 48 hours? >> by water, by the crow flies, it's about a mile from the trailer where haleigh disappeared from. but it takes 35 minutes to drive

around and over a bridge to get to. very remote. and you know, it was accessible only by a little dirt road. so they drained it. they had a tip. unclear if it came from the inmates they interviewed. but that's what my sources say, where it came from. they won't say who. and they're looking for something they have not revealed. they didn't find anything of substance that was useful in the investigation, though, nancy. a lot of rumors. >> to dr. gerald faigin, medical examiner, camden county, new jersey, doctor, thank you for being with us. >> you're welcome. >> doctor, i want to bring it back to haleigh, a 5-year-old little girl. she has turner syndrome. if she were still alive and had been kidnapped by someone unfamiliar with that syndrome, she was sick so much, so many doctor's appointments, so many illnesses because of the turner syndrome. how would that affect her health with a stranger?

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shocking reports emerge in the investigation of murdered yale grad student annie le. "the new york post" reporting annie's bones were allegedly broken by raymond clark so they could fit into a wall opening the size of a computer monitor. >> you'd be surprised what you could fit a body into. she is rather petite, under five foot. less than 100 pounds. you just keep pushing and pushing until it fits. >> an unnamed source telling "the new york post" annie le was so smashed up you couldn't recognize her. new haven police deny annie's body was broken, squashed, or mutilated, saying the report is

incorrect. yale university says until he was arrested lab tech raymond clark had access to the lab and campus buildings, despite being named a person of interest clark's card was still activated. accused murderer raymond clark not talking behind bars. but new haven police chief saying the motive of annie le's murder may never be discovered. >> out to jean casarez, legal correspondent in session. jean, i know that you have read those reports as well that in his desire to hide the murder he mangled her body, breaking bones, in order to stuff it in about a two-foot-wide space. now, police are saying no. but those are the same police that said no, he's not a suspect and arrested him about two hours later. it's the same police that said it's not a crime. that was the university police as well. we don't consider this a crime. there's no evidence of foul play.

when the woman was dead. this is the same bunch that allowed him to have his key card for about five days after she goes missing to go in and out, in and out of any building he wants. so what are we supposed to believe? how can you fit a body, annie le's body into an opening that small? >> well, it's a very good point, the point you that make. now, your producers confirmed throughout the day today that the "new york post" report was false in saying that her bones were broken, that her body was mangled, it was mush, put into a very small hole. the new haven police department issued a press release shortly before air saying "the new york post" report was false. but they just cite that one thing, and the "new york post" reported a number of things today. that the opening was in a bathroom, that it was very small, there was a metal plate over it and once you took that metal plate off that there were water pipes that were criss-crossed and that created the difficulty for putting a body. but i think your producers have

since heard five feet by five feet was the opening -- >> we've heard multiple stories about the opening, too. dr. gerald feigin out of new jersey. dr. feigin, how would you put a woman's body in a spot that's reportedly two by two if you don't mangle and break the bones? >> you can't put a square peg into a round hole. and you have to make it fit. usually, the shoulders are the widest part of the body, and it has to be manipulated either by fracturing or squeezing, one way or another, to get into a small opening. >> thomas kaplan with the "yale daily news," what can you tell us, thomas? >> well, the state's attorney actually took a very unusual step today in zruktding the police to speak publicly about this and shoot down this report. we know there actually were a couple of other inaccuracies in the "new york post" report. the story also said that raymond clark triggered the fire alarm himself accidentally. the police told us today on the record that the false alarm was

not triggered by raymond clark, it had nothing at all to do with the murder. >> just last week they suggested that he did trigger it. to dave altabari with the "hartford current," dave, they left the crime scene open for da days. in fact, the "yale daily news" photographers got down in the base sxmt looked around. >> yes, they did. >> so what's the truth? how big is the opening in which her body was hidden? >> it's about two feet, nancy. the problem today is her bones were not broken. she was stuffed into the tiny crawl space. it's in a -- it was behind, in a mechanical room near a bathroom. the -- it took police five days to find her because they couldn't really bring their dogs down there initially because there are, my understanding is, literally thousands of mice and

rats down there and it was difficult for the dogs to do any searching. so it took until the body started decomposing for the dogs to be able to hit on the spot where she was found. >> with me is dave altimari from the "hartford current." you're seeing photos of raymond clark also from myspace. anna marie goodwin, neighbor of raymond clark, joining us tonight. thank you for being with us. miss goodwin, what were your impressions of raymond clark? >> well, my impression when i first met him was, you know, he was just a regular neighbor like anybody else. and as i got to know him, i quickly discovered, i just jogged it as a mental memory that he was controlling and i was going to stay away from him. and the reason -- you want to know the reasons, i said, that i guess, is he was just bossy over his girlfriend all the time. and i didn't like the way that he treated his animals. >> did you ever have any

interaction with him? >> yes, i did. i talked to him once about the way he spoke to my children. he swore and yelled at my children over a bag of garbage that was in our hallway. and i said to him, "ray, if you have a problem with one of my children, please address me." and he just gave me a blank stare. he didn't say "oh, i'm sorry" or "who the hell do you think you're talking to?" what he said was nothing. just stared at me. >> with me, annmarie goodman. this is raymond clark's neighbor. joining us exclusively tonight. miss goodwin, i know that you would see him on a day-to-day basis. what would you observe him doing? >> well, things like -- he was always in front of his girlfriend. his girlfriend always walked behind him. he always had a blank stare on his face. i noticed that he would leave his dogs unattended all day

long. two pitbulls in a very small apartment. sometimes caged, sometimes not. and to me that's not some type of animal lover. i noticed that -- i know reports were said that he had such care for the mice and there was some kind of argument know, that came over the murder. and he totally left the dogs abused, crying and yelping all day long and their whole apartment smelled like feesy, bad. you smelled it all the way down our hallway. >> what did you remember about him revving his car, bringing in junk food every night? >> they never, ever cooked. the girlfriend baked. but dinnertime, wendy's, pizza, taco bell, chinese, constantly. and she'd always clean the snow off the car. she'd always be the one warming up the car. >> wait, he would send her outside to warm up the car? >> oh, every day, yep. because, you know, the winter months, clean off the snow, clean off the ice. he dropped his keys one time. she automatically bent over to pick them up. (announcer) when you buy a car

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straight back out to the neighbor of suspect raymond clark. suspect in the murder of a beautiful yale graduate student annie le. what were you saying about the girlfriend, the livelive-in, wag the car up for him? >> jennifer. she was definitely in love with him. she was a nice girl. i really liked her. but she was, like, his doormat, if you would. she would do anything he said to do. he was bossing her around all

the time. they went -- very scheduled people. went to work early. came home. she would go outside to warm the car up in the morning. if it was snowing, she'd be cleaning the snow off. you know. it used to aggravate me. i'd be like, why is she with him? >> now what about him and her made you think to yourself, why is she with him? >> because i thought she deserved better. i thought he was a control freak. >> why? >> because the way he treated her. >> well, it's interesting that that is what many people that worked with him say. in fact, after le's body discovered, yale then issues an edict saying there'll be zero tolerance for misbehavior and horacement in the workplace. that's a day late and a dollar short. but you got those vibes from being his neighbor? >> absolutely. >> thinking back on it, miss goodwin, was there anything unusual, other than selfish

behavior, that you saw about him? or did he just blend in? >> i think that he was the average american kid probably in high school that just had a -- something on his shoulder, you know. >> with me is annemarie goodwin, a neighbor of raymond clark. everyone, stop. let's remember, army specialist. awarded bronze star, purple heart. combat action badge. a boy scout loved for being a cop. leaves behind mom, stepdad, five sisters. four brothers. widow. also serves in the army. and baby boy eric. thomas lyons, american hero. thanks to our guests, but especially you for being with us. i'll see you tomorrow night. 8:00 sharp. until then, good night, friend.

coming up next on "issues," florida authorities say it is the most horrific, most violent crime scene they have ever witnessed. a mother and five children, all with their throats slit. we're talking an 11-month-old child, a 3-year-old, a 5-year-old. a 6-year-old. and a 9-year-old. the father flees to haiti where he's picked up by authorities. and there is a history of domestic violence in this family. but the mother always pleaded to give the dad a second chance. we're going to dive into that on "issues." now, we're going to talk about john edwards. this scandal just gets more and more sorted. a former aide pushing a book filled with shocking, and i mean head-spinning claim, against that man right there. we'll tell you about him. coming up on "issues." xwxwxwxwxw

we begin with breaking news tonight. a hideous crime, nothing short of diabolical. police find a mom and her five children, count them, five, all with their throats slit in their florida home. cops have the husband and father, mesac damas, in their crosshairs. he is said to have fled the country after he allegedly massacred his entire family. here is a precious children in a photo from his website highfive.com. look at those beautiful kids. all of them are dead. they ranged in age from the baby, just 11 months old, to 9 years of age. police say they have never, never, ever seen such brutality at a crime scene.

>> i can tell you that in no uncertain terms, this is the most horrific and violent event this community has ever experienced. every homicide is tragic. however, this is the worst of the worst. >> just hours ago, a reporter from the associated press saw damas, pictured here in facebook -- there he is, with a drink in his hand -- captured by haitian authorities. get this, he is still being called a, quote, person of interest, and not a suspect. seriously, people? this is a guy who fled the country to haiti and has a long history of domestic violence against his family. this past january, he was arrested on charges of battering his wife, forcing her to drop their youngest child. he pleaded no contest. in a sick twist, we have just learned that three, count them, three, days before the family was found bludgeoned to death, a

child welfare caseworker visited the home and found nothing amiss. meantime, according to a blog called islandcrisis.net, damas reportedly posted a chilling comment on his facebook page. quote -- this is so weird -- good people do not go to heaven, only sinners do. thank god i am going to heaven. what? end quote. we called police about this undated post. they had no comment. this is a fast-breaking story. and tonight's big "issue," the war on families. is it just me, people, or are these massacres that wipe out entire families becoming more and more frequent? straight out to my amazing expert panel. jayne weintraub, criminal defense attorney. brenda wade, clinical psychologist. boy, do we need you. tom ruskin,

former new york city police investigator and president of cmt protective and investigative group. and ryan mill, staff writer for the "naples daily news." ryan, you've been on top of this story. what is the very latest on this horrific, mind-bogglingly, grotesque case? >> as you said, they do have mr. damas in custody down in haiti. we've been told by the collir county sheriff's office they intend to have someone ready to go down there to interview him as soon as tomorrow morning. >> you know, my question is, why, why, why, ryan, are they still calling him a person of interest? i don't like that term anyway. but why are they calling this guy a person of interest? he has a long history of domestic abuse. >> well, you know, i'm not going to speculate as to what their -- what the collier county sheriff's office is doing inside. but my guess is they're going to be taking this as slowly and carefully as possible, make sure they do everything by the book, so they get things done correctly. >> yeah, i don't get it. i really don't.

jayne weintraub, help me out. >> with pleasure. if the police had done their jobs, we might not be in this position, jane. here's the bottom line. in florida, we are thankful to have a statue that you would want, that people who are arrested for domestic violence are to be held without a bond, without a bond, until they are brought before a judge, wherein the state attorney is ordered to have produced to the judge a prior background report with every domestic violence incident reported that is known to the state attorney's office. what does that mean? it means the state attorney dropped the ball. means the judge dropped the ball. and we have our good old caseworker from the department of children and family services. >> who was there three days before. three days before, a child welfare official visited the home, tom ruskin, found nothing amiss. the visit was unannounced. dinner was in the oven. the kids appeared in good health.

>> well, i don't think the problem was with the mother. i think the problem was the mother and the father. and obviously something broke down in the court system. we had three or four cases since 2005 basically saying to the courts, hey, look, they have a problem, or she somehow has a problem in not kicking him out, in not keeping him out, in not keeping him away from her five children. >> wait a second, let's talk about the history of domestic violence, okay? and then we can analyze this. police say there's been a handful of domestic disturbance calls involving this couple to police since way back in 2000. >> in january of this year, he was arrested for a simple battery or misdemeanor battery against the female that we found deceased in the apartment. he pled no contest to it in june. >> did he get any jail time? >> i do not believe so, other than the initial arrest. >> let's take a closer look at this record.

2005, the mom brought a domestic violence case against the man. she got injunctions. they were dismissed two weeks later. then, he filed a case against her. that motion dismissed two weeks later. november 2006, he filed another injunction. this time, it was denied. this past january, the state of florida charged the now husband -- because he used to be the boyfriend -- with misdemeanor battery. he pleaded no contest. got 12 months probation. 200 hours of community service. and a $600 fine. and he was ordered to attend a batterer's intervention program. guess that batterer's intervention program didn't work, brenda wade. >> you know, it's very tough when you're looking at long-term battering. and, jane, it doesn't matter what walk of life you come from. domestic violence touches all of us. it's happened to the very wealthy, the very poor, whether you're black, white, hispanic, asian, it doesn't matter. the statistics are in. i spent years working in the field of domestic violence.

and i can tell you, it's no respecter of persons. the thing that troubles me is that this is a classic case. we've seen this so many times. the wife tries to protect herself. she gets an injunction. she may get a restraining order. and then she gets frightened. now, let me tell you the facts about what allows a person to leave a batterer. when she has support -- >> let me jump in right here. >> -- financial support or education. >> brenda, i got to jump in here. >> jump in, jane. >> i got to do a big reality check. these domestic violence issues started in 2000. >> that's right. >> her oldest child was 9 years old. which means she had at least four children, possibly five children, after the domestic violence began. to me, that in itself is a crime, brenda. >> jane, i will tell you -- that as many cases as i have

responded to, as a cop, as a detective, you find a lot of times that the person does not want to leave. once the cops come and say, listen, we have to arrest the spouse for domestic abuse, at that point in time, they'll jump on the cops. >> well, let me take issue because it's not that she doesn't -- >> -- let brenda talk. brenda, go ahead. >> it's not that she doesn't want to leave. the issue is -- we actually have done studies on what it is that allows a woman to leave. she has to have some place to go. >> guess what, brenda? i love your analysis, but this woman sent a letter to the judge this year, begging the judge to give her husband a second chance. >> that is classic, jane. >> four years ago, she filed a motion to dismiss an injunction against the same person, who was then her boyfriend, for beating her. what did she say to the judge? "i would like to give him a second chance." >> that's typical. >> so what did the judge do? dismissed the case. >> he didn't have to do that, jane. and the state attorney's office could have compelled her

testimony, and they don't need the victim's consent or approval. it's the one crime the state attorney's office needs to go forward on, regardless of what the victims want to do in this case because we will see repetedly these murder cases happen. >> brenda -- >> jane, i'll go one step further. when the cops show up, they're mandated by law in most states in this country to make an arrest. if they notice any domestic violence or any kind of signs that domestic violence complaint is substantiated. >> hello, i'm going to hit myself on the head with this thing. brenda wade. there is a disconnect here. there's a domestic violence issue that began a decade ago. and there were five children conceived during this entire saga, this drama -- >> jane, the longer -- >> yes. >> -- the longer a person lives in domestic violence, the more her self-esteem, her sense that she can live a life without being beaten, without being abused. because part of this, you know, is not physical. part of the abuse is mental and emotional. where constantly she's being

told she's worthless. she's being brainwashed every day. we have a syndrome -- >> you don't think she could just at least -- >> -- called battered wife syndrome. >> -- not get pregnant? >> jane, i wish i could say that a woman who's in this situation is thinking with a brain that's not impacted. it's not the case. if we could have gotten her into a shelter, given her a safe place for her and her kids. if the police had followed through, or the courts had followed through. but it looks as if everybody dropped the ball here. >> well, the police did -- >> -- we know that battered women have a hard time leaving. >> they have to be given an option -- >> hold on. tom. >> if the police were called, they made an arrest. >> they were checking in on her on a weekly basis. they said that the father -- the family, they were doing well over the summer. >> yeah, i'm sure they checked on her. just like in garrido, they checked on him. where were they to give this woman options? to take her to a shelter like

dr. wade was talking about? where were they to give her counseling? where were they to help her? forget walking in and seeing nobody's dead. okay, the kids are fine? i'd like to see the report from this child welfare worker. >> i'm starting to think these anger management classes and batterer intervention classes do not work. >> sometimes they do. it's not always the case that they fail, jane. but this is such a difficult, complicated issue. you have to remember, somebody in a chronic battering situation is, number one, depressed, has no self-esteem, and usually if they stay, it's because she has no options to get out. >> i understand. i want to make it very clear, i don't want to blame this mom. she is a victim. i just wish that somebody could have saved five innocent beautiful children. >> exactly. >> and that's why it's so nauseating, so upsetting. five beautiful, innocent children are dead. and there was a decade of abuse to stop it. and it didn't get stopped.

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wait. what are you doing? got it. you're secretly taping me? u know, it wasn't a secret to us, we knew. yes, but it was a secret to me. of course, otherwise i would be sitting like this and completely block his shot. so that's why i was like... didn't you notice this was weird? no. made fresh from your desk, cook it fresh, strain it fresh, mix it fresh. healthy choice fresh mixers, look for it in the soup or pasta aisle. she was just here the past tuesday night for curriculum night with her children. she went in to all three of the boy's classrooms. i think i'm still in shock. what a horrible tragedy. and to think that lives are gone at such an early age. a real tragedy. i anticipate many questions from children. i anticipate worry, sadness. >> such horror. i am asking the question i have become so sick of asking --

what on earth do we tell the young schoolchildren, classmates, of these victims, in the wake of violence like this? five kids and their mom slaughtered, perhaps by their own father. we could see that the mother was trying to be a good mother. you heard the teacher right there saying she would do everything she could as a mom. but when you forgive somebody who beats you and beats your children, you are entering a danger zone you may not ever escape. phone lines lighting up. tana in west virginia. your question or thought, ma'am? >> caller: yes, hi, jane. >> hi. >> caller: what i'd like to know is how did this man get out of the country so fast? and why is he not back in the u.s. under custody at this time? >> tom ruskin, you want to take it? there he is, with a drink in his hand at a beach. >> basically, the way he got out of the country is he bought a ticket like anyone else. he probably wasn't wanted at that point in time. i don't even know if they had

found the bodies by the time he had left the country. the answer to your question is in 1904, the u.s. signed a treaty with haiti. he's being held under that treaty as a person, as jane doesn't like to say, of interest, and probably will be brought back by extradition very shortly. >> ryan, you want to jump in a little bit? >> yeah, he -- he left for miami. it's about a two-hour drive from naples to miami. he left for miami and departed around 7:00 in the morning on friday. the bodies weren't discovered until sometime saturday i think evening or -- it was in the evening. >> tonight's big "issue." one of many. is there a war on families being waged by the men who are supposed to be protecting and defending their wives and children? let's recap and review. 32-year-old christopher coleman charged with first degree murder in the strangulation death of his wife and two sons. his alleged motive, cops say he was having an affair, made up threats related to his job, then they say he carried out the monstrous murders. then there's

22-year-old guy hines. this is a recent case we've been covering here on "issues." prosecutors say he massacred his father, uncle, aunt and four cousins. police say he beat them to death. brenda wade, what is going on with this level of family violence in america? are we just covering it more? or is there something in the water out there that is making people more murderously rageful against their own families? >> you know, jane, one of the things we do see is that during times of economic distress, people who are living on the edge go over the edge. this man had already been a violent person, a violent husband and father, for many years. and he went over the edge. in some of the other cases that we've been covering, i think we see somebody who already had a problem and then they crack. my concern is that when we know somebody has a problem, we need to act. we need to act definitively to protect the women, the innocent children that are in the path or the other family members. >> brenda, i agree with you entirely.

and the fact is, there were so many red flags here. red flags everywhere in this relationship. >> plenty of opportunity. yes. >> that ended in the brutal slaying of this young mom and her five children. i mean, we've discussed already the history of domestic violence. but then the mother's brother said she wanted to divorce her husband. he said they'd always argued. "you never knew what he was going to do next," was quote. the kids used to say, quote, uncle, uncle, daddy hit mommy, end quote. >> right, right. >> i mean, a friend of the mom's warned her, hey, this abuse could end in death. jayne weintraub. i understand, we have something called the power and control reel, which we're going to throw up in a second. which shows how women are intimidated and dominated and they're controlled by abusive men in their lives. but nevertheless, why have these kids, one after the other, when you're being abused like this? >> because she was a victim.

because she couldn't see out of her own hole. like dr. wade was saying. you know, jane, the problem here isn't just that she's a victim, i think it's compounded by the police coming in and leaving, or the child welfare worker coming in and saying, oh, everything's okay, okay, and not recognizing to reach out, to give her alternatives and take her to women's shelter, put her in your car and say, hey, what about the teachers, what about the principal? this little boy was telling people, telling his uncle, "daddy is hitting mommy." he's telling other people too. what's up with our communities? >> well, you know, tom ruskin, we only have ten seconds. i think we do interventions for addicts. we need to do interventions, family interventions, when a situation becomes abusive. >> you're absolutely right. that's where the system is failing. it's not failing when the police are making an arrest. it's failing thereafter. they have it right on the nose. >> we have to leave it right there. fantastic panel. former aide of john edwards has a new book proposal. shocking claims that edward

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that led to the outing, the choice of the outing. >> you think? oh, boy. police say when they found paul, he was carrying a backpack, guitar case and a rusty sickle. scary stuff, considering, all joking aside, he killed a woman. in 1987, paul was found not guilty by reason of insanity and sent to a mental hospital. in '91, he escaped during another outing. he assaulted a deputy and knocked him unconscious. why weren't his field trip privileges revoked back then? criminal defense attorney jayne weintraub, not guilty by reason of insanity doesn't mean you didn't do it, it means you're so cuckoo for cocoa puffs, whacked out, you don't know your crime is wrong, right? >> that's correct, jane. you don't know right from wrong at the time you commit the act. however, in this particular case, there's nothing wrong with the verdict. what's wrong here is with the

institution. he was deemed to be dangerous. that's why after a not guilty by reason of insanity he was housed in a mental institution and committed because he is dangerous. why did the institution permit him to go on this crazy field trip? >> and he packed a guitar with him. did they really think he was performing at the fair perhaps? i mean, he left with a guitar. why would you take a guitar if you were coming right back to the institution? let me continue on with this madness. when paul left for the fair, he had a backpack that was not searched and that wasn't the only problem. >> mr. paul was noncompliant in taking his medications. my question is, if somebody was noncompliant in taking their medications, what made anybody believe that he would be compliant on a field trip to the spokane county fair on family day? this is a situation that, in my opinion, should not have happened. >> how can he even say that with a straight face? >> this is a guy who cut a

woman's throat and doused her with gasoline because he heard voices. >> field trip? i don't even understand where this cop can say with a straight face that he shouldn't even be given the privilege of a field trip. he is deemed dangerous until further proceedings in a court. i haven't seen any further proceedings in a court. therefore, he should not have been at all out of that mental institution. >> the only field trip he should be getting is from one cell to another, as far as i'm concerned. >> well, he certainly isn't getting help and he certainly isn't getting better. that's for sure. and once again, the system failed. >> yeah, it's been going on. remember john hinckley who attempted to assassinate president reagan, and he was found not guilty by reason of insanity, he was obsessed with jodie foster? he ended up getting field trips, over and over again. and he would sneak back jodie foster material. it's beyond comprehension. thank you, thank you, jayne. disgusting new allegations from a former aide of john edwards claiming edwards had promised to marry his mistress.

shocking and troubling insight into the john edwards love triangle. his former aide told "the new york times" edwards fathered a child with a mistress, all the while his wife was battling cancer. but it gets worse, a lot worse. edwards allegedly promised to marry his lover as soon as his wife died. plus, disturbing questions from the jaycee dugard case. phillip garrido allegedly fathered two children with jaycee. now, investigators are trying to figure out whether these girls who could be his daughters were raped and molested by this monster. tonight -- a bombshell in an already very messy political scandal. is john edwards ready to

publicly admit he's the father of his mistress' baby? well, some are claiming so. "the new york times" got their hands on a book proposal from a former staffer of john edwards, andrew young. young claims edwards has known all along that he fathered rielle hunter's child. admitting it publicly would be a major about-face. here is edwards last year on abc's "nightline." >> i know that it's not possible that this child could be mine because of the timing of events. so i know it's not possible. happy to take a paternity test. and would love to see it happen. >> young says edwards convinced him to sign an affidavit claiming he, the aide, was the father of hunter's child. young has since renounced that statement. now, here's the former senator in 2007, accepting the father of the year award. soon after, young says edwards was looking for a doctor to falsify a dna report. if that is true, it would seem

that he would go to any lengths to disown an innocent little girl. then there were the preposterous things he allegedly promised his mistress while his wife battled cancer. we'll get to those in a moment. i want to welcome back my fantastic panel. and joining us, of course, mark ieglarsh. mark, this scandal just gets worse and worse and worse. is it possible that politicians that have risen to this level still don't realize that in this day and age, with all the media out there and the bloggers and the internet and having a cast of thousands involved in your conspiracy, including aides and wealthy patrons, you ain't gonna be able to keep a secret like this for very long? >> obviously, he didn't get it, or he would have been truthful with the american people from day one. i think that we're tired of it already. i think we speak for everybody to say, first of all, i say this. and the second thing that i say is very clearly we are tired of

people lying to us about events like this. just be honest, be open, and that will be okay. what he did in this case was morally reprehensible. you missed the sign, did you, jane? >> i want to see the sign. i didn't see it. >> baby, right here. >> let me see. put it in the center because i can't really see it. thank you. i agree. because there's some -- you know what my book is about? tell the truth. be honest. >> yes, that was the point. >> if i was an alcoholic, i wasn't honest with myself or anyone else. when i got sober -- you know what it takes to stay sober, rigorous honesty. okay? >> truth. truth. >> and that's absolutely connected to this story. this guy, if what this aide is saying, brenda wade, this guy is a pathological liar. >> he is. this is the tough thing. if somebody cheats and he betrays, he can't be trusted. so how can we expect him to tell the truth? he doesn't know what the truth is.

the elaborate scheming, buying a false dna test to cover up your trail? >> but that's not our business -- >> he's implicating so many people. so by definition, let's start with the most basic truth of all. mr. edwards is lacking integrity and character. and i believe it was einstein who said that "a life without integrity is a life with no beauty." this is ugly, ugly, ugly. >> wait a second, i think i just heard jayne weintraub defending john edwards. >> this is not our business. >> what? >> his personal -- listen, jane, what he has done is personal and political suicide. that's not our business. our business now is determining whether a crime was committed. and there are two legal issues. >> okay, i don't want to go into those right now. i want to go into what you just said because you just threw down the gauntlet. i think we have a sound bite right here -- perhaps wrong. john edwards made his wife's cancer part of his political campaign. here's what he said publicly

about his wife elizabeth's tragic illness. >> i intend to do the same thing i've always done with elizabeth. we've been married 30 years. known each other longer than that, and we will -- we will be in this every step of the way together. >> okay. that's campaign. that's public. now, in a book proposal, his former aide is claiming he told his lover, rielle hunter, something very different. the aide claims edwards promised her that once his wife died, presumably of cancer, he would marry her in a rooftop ceremony in new york city with a performance by the dave matthews band. again, this is according to andrew young. if that's true, that is really beyond callous. >> i'm surprised that jayne really believes that. that somehow this is private? when you run for public office, you're putting yourself out there. and then when you go on national television, you say there's no way that that could be your offspring, then you have now clearly stepped over the line. >> hasn't he paid a personal price for that already and political suicide? the question now is whether it's

obstruction of justice. this is not a judge -- a moral issue for us to judge him. he's got to live with that. and so do his wife and kids. >> let me get to the campaign issue. because you're talking about the legalities of all this. edwards says his affair with hunter ended in 2006. that year, his pac, political action committee, paid her more than 100 grand for a few videos she produced. about 14,000 of that was paid well after the videos were made. so prosecutors are taking a close look at this. also claims, in "the times," that wealthy patrons provided hunter with large financial benefits. including a bmw and lodging. >> yes, if they can show willful deceit -- and they're going to try to do it -- then he may find himself stripped of his liberty. it's going to be difficult, but they'll try. >> it's a stretch to say they were trying to pay her for her silence. and that would be obstruction of

justice according to, you know, the investigation that's going on right now. >> why else do you give somebody a bmw and pay for their lodging? >> maybe because he was having an affair with her. >> that's what i said, because -- >> -- there's another side to this, jane -- >> -- not to distract him -- >> the whole thing that troubles me. go ahead, brenda. >> the part of it that troubles me, is when we say it's not for us to judge, absolutely, i agree. it is not our job to judge. but it is our job to say if someone is an elected leader, a public figure, don't we have in some way, the right to expect them to serve as an example? this is a man who has children of his own. he has a wife who is ill. and how much immoral in the sense of what's right, what's fair, what's honest, what's loyal, what's trustworthy, do we have a right to expect from an elected official? >> but that's why he resigned, brenda.

that's why he got out of the race. >> what i'm saying is at the end of the day, he is still a public figure. the fact that he resigned doesn't make him less of an example. he'd still been lying and saying the child couldn't be his and we're about to hear any day, i imagine that, in fact, the child is his. >> well, let's talk about that. elizabeth edwards has said -- >> -- he was thrown out -- >> -- has said she doesn't know whether her husband fathered the child. larry king asked her last month if john was willing to take a paternity test. listen to her answer. >> my expectation is at some point something happens. i hope for the sake of this child that it happens in a quiet way. >> friends of the couple claim it's elizabeth who doesn't want her husband to come clean about paternity. first of all, i'd love to hear her side of the story. because i'm sure there's another side to this. secondly, i have total and complete compassion for her. but isn't the truth, brenda wade, always the best option, no matter how awkward? >> the truth is always the best option. the fact that mrs. edwards who is battling cancer, where it's

important that a person not have high levels of adrenal cortical hormones going through their blood that only make the disease worse and suppresses immune function and on and on. truth could in fact help the healing. truth always does. >> but, mark, i want to get back to this. go ahead. >> in the criminal -- let me just say, i agree with what brenda's saying. i want to carry that through to the criminal justice system. i always instruct my clients to be truthful with law enforcement and be truthful with themselves because the ones who get screwed in the criminal justice arena primarily are those who later have lies come back and bite them in the "you know what." >> now, here's the thing about lies -- because i have studied so many lies as part of all the criminal investigations that i have done. and lies have to be protected by other lies. you can't just tell a lie because that lie is not truthful. so you have to cover it up with other lies. those lies, in turn, have to be covered up with other lies. >> oh, there's a little nursery rhyme about that, isn't there,

jane? it says, "oh, what a tangled web we do weave when at first we choose to deceive." >> exactly. what happens is these toxic secrets grow more and more ornate, more unmanageable, more unwieldily, and then they explode right in our face. and that's exactly what has happened to john edwards. if he had just told the truth right at the start, we wouldn't be talking about it right now, jayne weintraub. >> he didn't have to say anything. unlike mark, i tell my clients, do not talk to anybody. do not make a comment. >> he had to comment. "the national enquirer" caught him in an elevator. >> when you're placed in a position where cameras are pointed at you and you're being asked questions, you've got to then answer. i say you tell the truth. my n e's lis.

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but first, "top of the block" tonight. a jaw-dropper in the haleigh cummings case. new allegations from misty cummings' brother. was misty not even at the house the night little haleigh disappeared? tommy croslin told cops that haleigh's dad asked him to check on misty at 10:00 that night. he says he knocked on the door and called her cell phone. she never answered. whoa. that's big. now, remember, misty says she went to sleep at 10:00 that night and that haleigh was sleeping nearby. if tommy is telling the truth, this could be the major break in the case. "issues" will keep you posted on that. and bring you the very latest. moving on -- is the king of pop's mom one step closer to getting a say in her son's estate? a judge ruled katherine can oversee the executors. without losing her share in the family trust. that's a major win for the woman

who is already set to inherit 40% of michael's assets. if katherine gets to decide how to manage michael's future earnings, she could stand to make a lot more money. but that's only if she makes smart financial decisions. we'll have to wait and see. that is tonight's "top of the block." a really shocking glimpse inside jaycee duguard's 18 years of hell. jaycee answered the horrifying question, did phillip garrido allegedly rape his own children? did he abuse the two daughters he apparently fathered with her? "the san francisco chronicle" reports jaycee told investigators no, that never happened. "the chronicle" also reporting jaycee insists garrido has not raped or molested her, jaycee, in years. is this true? or could jaycee be suffering from stockholms syndrome? is she trying to protect her alleged captor? also today, police continue their intense search of the garrido property. what or who could be under the ground in that yard? cadaver dogs picked up a human

scent and ground penetrating radar confirmed something, something is down there. now, another dog brought in just today, this one trained to find older human remains, has honed in on the very same exact spot. >> one of the dogs did alert in the same general area as last week's alert. which is also the same general area of the anomaly from the gpr scanning. that's going to be the area that we focus on this afternoon when we begin digging. >> here's brand-new video of today's search. cops ripped up concrete slabs and are feverishly digging underneath them. they found more bones. but investigators do not think those particular bones they've just found are human. will they find the remains of two little girls who went missing in the area? and what could jaycee possibly want from this filthy, decrepit prison she was kept in for

almost two decades? well, we have an answer. brand-new reports from the associated press indicate jaycee is begging, begging, please, give me my pets back. plus, more evidence of garrido's erratic behavior. does this wacky black box hold clues to garrido's madness? so many new twists. in a truly horrific case. straight out to my expert panel. mike eiglarsh. criminal defense attorney, jayne weintraub. psychologist brenda wade. brenda, what are the chances that garrido never touched the two children he fathered with jaycee as jaycee is reportedly claiming? >> you know, jane, they're about 50/50. there's some possibility that because they're his biological children maybe some hidden protective impulse in him was triggered. on the other hand, this guy is a

predator, he is a pedophile. there is a high likelihood at the same time he did molest those little girls. we don't know. but i would say it's 50/50 at best. >> but i have read studies or reports of cases where predators will prey on other people's children, but they won't engage in incest with their own children. >> exactly. that can happen. but there are also cases where the predator can't resist touching any child. because if that child is there and they have access, they cross the line. >> i wouldn't believe a word that flows from this pedophilia's mouth. he's a doctor of evil. he repulses me. and it's very likely that this king of manipulation isolated these girls and made sure that they did not tell anyone of what he did to them. that's also the m.o., modus operandi, for these types of people, and i wouldn't in any way listen to what they're saying. i would conduct an independent investigation and find out. >> we're getting new insight into this guy's twisted mind.

get this, garrido claimed this black box, which you're about to see, could speak his thoughts. garrido made friends wear headphones, then moved his lips while his voice somehow came out of the box. he wrote a 20-page manifesto h. he wrote a 20 page manifest toe about the box. janeny. >> this is why the defense lawyers are going to ask, as unpopular as it is, jane, to explore an insanity defense or in mitigation of whatever is going on here. some psychiatric evaluations. this guy is crazy. >> three years ago he made this announcement about this box saying that it could understand telepathically what he was trying to communicate without talking. >> remember -- i've got to leave it right there. we'll be back in a second. remember, drugs, lsd, acid at the heart of the garrido case. this is national recovery month. i struggled with addiction. in "i want" i reveal details of

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they're doing well. you know, they're being prote protected. they're being deprogrammed and trying to find out what's going on and what happened the last 18 years. there has to be a trial here, so they're asking them a lot of questions. >> jaycee's step dad speaking out. he's furious. sickened the police failed to notice what garrido was doing all those years. hasn't seen jaycee since her rescue. he's describing her arizona a prisoner of war. >> even know she found a way to cope and survive, there is no way the way that her mind works at this stage of the game is what we would call normal

because she has been imprisoned all of those years. we have no idea the horrors she's been subjected to. imprisonment, all of that. >> jaycee is saying i wasn't touched for many years because she wasn't touched for many years or could it be part of this programming of her brain that if you're ever caught you say this? >> well, jane, i think it could be either. again, i'm in this position where i have to say, it would be consistent if the guise of pedophile, there's a certain time at which she's no longer what he's after, because she wasn't a little girl anymore. she's becoming a woman. we had that possibility on the other hand. he clearly seems to be someone who thrives on control, manipulation and domination of another human being. >> we are getting -- into jaycee's world. the ap reporting she is pleading to get her pets back. animals, of course, have healing power. they have unconditional love

that can be therapeutic. they're used in hospitals with war veterans. they apparently help jaycee dugard and her children live through years of alleged abuse and isolation. animal control removed five cats, two dogs and three cockatiels from the deplorable tents of the yard. they saved a pigeon and mouse jaycee reportedly kept. i find it fascinating, mark eiglarsh, she was able to nurture not only her two children but all these animals and this could have been what saved her sanity and that's why she's demanding these companion animals back. >> absolutely. it's the least you can do to bring her some love, some purity, from her own children and from those animals. she found unconditional love. something she didn't have from that monster. >> you were trying to make a point. >> also gave her some control of her -- >> jane, what i wanted to make a point was, you know, to follow off of what brenda said, assuming it's true he didn't have sexual interest in for the

last couple of years, that would have meant what? she was 25, 26, he was no longer interested in her? she had become a woman way before then. this guy's infatuation with her continued on after her prepew bess sent state. >> janeny, the last we're. 20 seconds. >> i hope she's able to heal, come forward and go through trial if we have to or not. she should heal and be well. >> i hope she doesn't have to testify. i hope they manage to nail him and his cohort without retraumatizing her and the children. you know, we are very, very, very excited about the latest addition to our primetime lineup on hln. watch "the joy behar show." it debuts tuesday september 29th at 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on hln. cannot wait. thank you to my fantastic panel. always great insights from all of you.

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breaking news tonight. satsuma, florida, a 5-year-old little girl tucked into bed, five hours later she's gone. vanished. the back door propped wide open. daddy comes home from the night shift to find not a trace of little haleigh. bombshell tonight. after girlfriend turned new step mom misty croslin's brother thrown behind bars on a gun charge, a break in the case. in a late-night jailhouse interrogation, we learn the brother finally confesses. he goes to haleigh's house the night she goes missing, pounds

on the door repeatedly. over, over, and over. nobody home. in a stunning twist, the brother's confession cracks this case wide open. at the same time, investigators hone in on a heavily-wooded area and in the last 24 hours drain a local pond in connection with haleigh. as girlfriend turned step mom misty croslin flunks another polygraph, her family distancing themselves from her. tonight, where is haleigh? >> i just woke up and our back door was open and i can't find our daughter. >> law enforcement sources confirm it appears step mom/babysitter misty croslin was not home the night haleigh went missing. >> i walked in the kitchen and the back door is wide open. that's all i know. is when i woke up, when i went

to -- when i woke up she was gone. >> her story changed several times. i just hope she would not have nothing to do with it. >> misty croslin's brother, tommy croslin, told authorities he went to haleigh's home around 10:00 p.m. that night. looking for sister misty. but the lights were all off. there are no sounds coming from the home, and no answer when he knocked on the door. >> i know i didn't do anything to that little girl. >> here's the back screen door. the one that was propped open with the cinder block. okay? now, if you see, when it closes, it slams. it makes a loud noise. if you leave this door, this literally closes as well. >> i feel like if she knows something, i don't think she's purposely hiding it. >> do you believe she left the home and left the children alone, ronald? >> absolutely not. and tonight, live to connecticut and the sudden disappearance of a gorgeous young ivy league doctoral

student, just before she's set to walk down the aisle. the 24-year-old beauty last spotted on grainy surveillance video walking into a yale research building. a false fire alarm mysteriously goes off in the building. people rush out. annie le is never seen again an president nearly the exact hour le set to walk down the aisle, wedding dress on a hanger in the closet, flowers ordered, the girl's body found stuffed in a two-foot wall cable space there at yale's research building. bloody clothes found high over investigators' heads, behind ceiling tiles. in the early-morning hours, police storm a soup 8 motel to arrest 24-year-old lab tech raymond clark on murder one. reports tonight clark so desperate to hide the murder he allegedly broke bones and mangled le's body to make it fit

in a 24-inch wall space. cops say no. cause of death, le manually strangled to death. key card swipes placing clark at the crime scene before and after le last seen alive revealing he's in and out of the lab no less than ten times. tonight we learn even using the dead girl's security swipe card. as we go to air, we also learn clark's free to roam various yale buildings. his security key card still in tact even after police target him. in the last hours cops seize raymond clark's father's car. was this brutal and senseless murder over laboratory mice cages? with a community and a university reeling, a family grieving, a young groom left at the altar with a broken heart, tonight, we want justice for

24-year-old bride to be, annie le. "the new york post" reporting through an unnamed source accused murderer raymond clark allegedly crushed yale garage student annie le's body and broke her bones to fit her into a wall opening the size of a computer monitor. the paper saying the murderer would have had to maneuver annie's body around pipes. the source telling "the new york post" in clark's case to cover his tracks after le was killed clark allegedly accidentally tripped a fire alarm. new haven police deny any bones were broken, crushed or mutilated, saying the report is incorrect. this as raymond clark is not talking to investigators in jail. yale university now saying that clark's i.d. card was still active until he was arrested. clark's card allowing him access

to campus buildings, even though he had earlier been named a person of interest. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. bombshell tonight. after girlfriend turned stepmother misty croslin's brother thrown behind bars in a gun charge, a break in a case. in a late night jailhouse interrogation we learn the brother finally confesses he goes to haleigh's house the night she goes missing. pounds on the door repeatedly. nobody home. >> i just got home from work. my 5-year-old daughter is gone. >> 3:00 in the morning, i got up and i got up because i had to use the bathroom but i didn't make it to the bathroom. i seen the kitchen light on, and i walked in the kitchen and the back door is wide open. >> police sources confirm step mom/babysitter misty croslin's

brother told cops he went to haleigh's home around 10:00 p.m. the night the child went missing and it appeared nobody was home. >> on my left is the bed where misty croslin was sleeping. here on the right we have the bed where little haleigh was sleeping, and you can see it's all about 3 1/2 feet from each other, and this is right where misty said she got up and had to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night. >> tommy croslin told detectives ronald cummings asked him to go to the home to look for misty croslin. when he arrived at the home the lights were all off own no sounds were coming from inside the home. >> people think i had something to do with it. if i had something to do with it, knew where she was, we wouldn't be sitting here today. >> everything she says is crazy. >> is there any possibility that she left the home that evening and hasn't told you? >> if there is a possibility of it, i don't know anything about it. >> straight out to t.j. hart

program news director at wsky 97.3. t.j., what can you tell us? this is a huge bombshell in the case. >> it is. detective at the putnam county sheriff's office said tommy received a call from ronald cummings. >> back it up. back it up. back it up. tommy is misty croslin's, the girlfriend turned stepmother's brother. the brother has been taken into custody over some argument with neighbors over a gun. so he's behind bars on a $50,000 bond. let me just tell you this, t.j. hart, you don't get a $50,000 bond on a gun charge. ta are clearly keeping him behind bars hoping he'll talk about haleigh. go ahead. >> purposefully they are and admitted to such. now what had happened on that night, tommy tells the detectives with the putnam county sheriff's office that ronald had called him from work stating he wanted tommy to go

down and check on the trailer. he had not been able to reach misty since they had a fight on the telephone earlier that evening. this is about the 10:00 hour. he tells police he banged on the door and got no answer. he looked inside through the windows, saw no lights, no television, did not hear a sound. it was quiet. according to police he stopped just short of saying no one was at home. all the family members involved in this situation were told of tommy's comments an that night. putnam county authorities thought it was a bit strange with all the hustle and bustle and confusion during the draining of a pond over the weekend that people had been doing all the finger pointing at misty, tommy, ronald at all, each one chose to keep that part quiet when they were talking to the media, after so much of the dirty laundry, so to say, got played out in the press earlier. it's making law enforcement suspicious of it all. >> to marlaina schiavo.

we've shown repeatedly you in the home. now, it's a trailer, okay? do we have marlaina? marlaina schiavo, are you with me? >> i can hear you. >> marlaina, you saw the front door with the brother's banging on the door, 10:00 at night. is there any way, anybody, even if they had just gone to sleep, she says she laid down on the bed sometime around 10:00, wouldn't hear that? i mean, it's a trailer, marlaina. >> there's no way she wouldn't have heard that. nancy, that front door is all but ten feet from the bedroom where misty was sleeping with haleigh and junior that night. so if someone is knocking on the door, there's no way she couldn't have heard that whatsoever. the fact the lights were out, nancy, and there was no tv on, that didn't make any sense either. >> to art harris, investigative journalist at www.artharris.com, art, you've been down there for months on end. what did you learn? >> nancy, i can tell you that

door marlaina is talking about has double-pane glass. you can see right in there. any glimmer from a tv set, misty said the kids were watching two movies, junior in the living room just a few feet from the door. her stepdaughter, haleigh, in the bedroom. somebody would have seen a light. it was not on. >> art, let me ask you a question. you remember the door that misty croslin says was left -- she found propped open with a cinder block. if you're at the front door, how far away are you from that door that was allegedly propped open? >> well, it's right, you know, very close, nancy. >> is it on the back or the side? >> it's a side and then there's a front door. so it's probably about, oh, 20 feet. >> so that door is on the side? >> it's my understanding. it's on the side. there's a little ramp that goes up to it. >> okay. tonight, misty croslin's brother behind bars on a gun charge now

confessing he was at the home the night haleigh goes missing. bangs on the door. nobody home. this means that misty croslin's story is false if the brother is to be believed. >> was the bed made? >> no, i was sleeping in that bed. how would the bed be made if someone was sleeping in the bed? i wasn't the only one sleeping in it, but how would it -- me and his son, how would the bed be made if we were in the bed sleeping? ever worn your clothes in the shower? if you're using other moisturizing body washes, you might as well be. you see, their moisturizer sits on top of skin,

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trying to do everything to find her, you know, answer any questions i have to because i know i didn't do anything to that little girl. i would never hurt her. i mean, they love me. they love me. they look at me like their mom, you know? if you ask little junior, he'll tell you. you know, they talk lovely about me and i'm so good to them kids. >> i pulled into the yard. the front door was wide open. she was standed in it. i asked her what she was doing up. she told me the back door was wide open and haleigh was gone. i told her to call 911. >> show you how both doors close automatically, so -- i'm also going to show you the lock. the lock is three feet from the floor. we know that's about as tall as haleigh stands. >> i did take a polygraph.

>> and you passed it in. >> i mean, my understanding is that i passed it. >> what is her story about what happened that night? >> same thing that she's telling police and whoever that she went to bed -- she put haleigh to put, done some laundry, went to bed and woke up to the door propped open. >> to you believe misty was, indeed, home and she's been telling the truth? >> yeah, i believe she's telling the truth. >> we're seven months in to what could potentially be a homicide, a child homicide case. we know it's a kidnapping case and we are just now learning the truth about the night little haleigh goes missing? back to art harris, seven months, art harris. this brother has sat on his thumb and it takes cops putting him in jail on a legitimate gun charge before he finally says, i went to the home that night and nobody was home? >> nancy, the big question that investigators want to know is why did he hang on to this

information and why, also, did people in the family not reveal it as well? presumably he has told some other people, i'm told, by investigators, and they want to know who's been covering up? >> out to a special guest joining us tonight. exclusively out of jacksonville. it's teresa neves, this is haleigh's paternal grandmother. thank you for being with us. >> thank you, miss nancy. >> ms. neves, all along you have stated you believed misty croslin. now that you hear this, what do you think? >> i'm going to tell you, miss nancy, i have stated all along and i will continue to state that my grandchildren love misty and that misty loved my grandchildren. and this statement by tommy croslin, to me, doesn't hold any water. i'm sorry, but -- >> why? >> why wait seven months? why say that he -- you know, if

you went down there, my personal opinion, if i went there and knocked and everything was off, i would think they were sleeping. >> ms. neves, you've been in the trailer just like we have been and somebody pounding on the front door, as close as her bed was to the front door, you would hear it? it's ten feet away. >> this is true. i tend to think that she was very exhausted and -- >> you can't have it both ways. you can't say they were asleep and, yes, she would have heard it. >> no, i am trying to say that i think the children would have been more likely to hear it. because i believe that because of the places she had been prior to that and the fact that she had been up all night with a conversation with ronald -- >> it was just 10:00, and her own statement is that around or a little after 10:00 is when she laid down. >> no, i'm talking about the

night before, miss nancy. she was up all night the night before. >> i'm talking about that night. >> right. >> the night haleigh goes missing. according to her own statement she may have been awake at the time the brother came to the door. >> okay. >> if she were home. >> yes, ma'am. >> miss neves, i mean, this isn't ringing a red bell of alarm in your mind? >> if it was coming from somebody else, you know? i just don't know if this is a statement made in order to -- >> okay. understood. understood. let's unleash the lawyers. we are taking your calls life. eleanor dixon. peter odom, veteran defense attorney. alex sanchez, renowned defense attorney out of new york. eleanor, when you're trying to determine the voracity or truth of a witnesses statement, you look for things that corroborate that statement. you and i have had to go in front of juries many, many

times. listen, dope dealers, robberers, murderers, they don't hang out with nuns and priests and virgins. let's take a look. what do we have in corroboration, eleanor? we have that night, ronald cummings admittedly trying to reach misty croslin. she had been gone for three days, a-wol, partying three days. she comes home that night. they get in a huge, big fight. he has to go to work. by his own admission he calls, he calls, he calls, he calls. she won't pick up. he's calling all of her family. that corroborates what the brother's saying, that ronald kaued him and said i can't get her on the phone, please go to the house and check on her. >> you're exactly right, nancy. what else helps look at it from the state's perspective is misty's timeline doesn't make sense and her story changes. the ring of truth is somebody went there and she wasn't home when they knocked. @% ( clicking )

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>> 10:30, 1 1k. at that time was little haleigh in the bed asleep with the brother? >> yes. >> and they all slept together if the same bed, correct? >> yes. >> right beside me on my left is the bed where misty croslin was sleeping and here on the right we have the bed where little haleigh was sleeping. >> for somebody to walk in a house and pick up a child, lay them beside another person is just ridiculous. >> straight back to haleigh's grandmother, teresa neves. ms. neves, you know i respect you and i care about you. >> i know that. >> you just heard your son, ronald cummings, who has apparently taken and passed a polygraph, he's answered questions from viewers, live on tv, we don't know what the questions are before they're called in. say that she went to bed between

10:30 and 11:00. which means she would have been awake when the brother came over there banging on the door. >> okay. >> which means one of them are lying. >> i -- miss nancy, i just want to clarify that misty came home on sunday evening and she and ronald were up all night sunday night until the evening of monday when she -- i would have -- you know, that she went to bed at 10:00. now, being that exhausted i think that maybe you could sleep through somebody beating on the door. i don't think the kids would have, but i don't know that they would have opened the door either. if she went to bed at 10:30 then, you know, i just don't

know what the validity of the story is. >> she told me if i didn't take the test he wasn't going to look for haleigh. that's why i took the test because i didn't want no one to stop looking for haleigh.

3:00 in the morning i got up and i got up because i had to use the bathroom. i seen the kitchen light on, and i walked in the kitchen and the back door is wide open and i go in her room and she's gone. >> had nothing to do with her, man. she can't help that. she can't help she was the last one to see her. >> she didn't make no noise that night. i mean, i didn't hear anything at all. i was really exhausted that day, you know? i just wish they would have took me instead of her. what do they want with a little 5-year-old? >> could have been any one of us and our children. any one.

nobody knows where there's a psycho, sicko. nobody knows. >> she is scared of the dark. she does not go anywhere by herself. i did take a polygraph. i mean, my understanding is that i passed it. >> ronald, has the theory that misty left the home sometime during the night -- break in the case. croslin's brother behind bars on a minor gun charge. the bail is $50,000. you can't make the bail. a late night jailhouse interrogation he confesses he was at the home. haleigh cummings' home the night she goes missing and nobody else was there. he banged and banged and banged on the door. no answer. we're taking your calls. to minnesota. hi, sheryl. >> caller: hi, nancy, thanks for taking my call. >> thank you for calling, dear. what is your question? >> caller: i have two really quick questions, nancy. first of all, why didn't haleigh's father tell anyone he asked misty's brother to go and

check on everything since they had an argument that night? the second is if misty continues to fail polygraph tests why don't they issue a warrant for her arrest or at least take her in and do some interrogation? >> okay. to terry shoemaker, attorney for ronald cummings, haleigh's father. what does he have to say about this revelation? >> well, he's kind of shocked that misty's brother went over there that evening. he said all along he did call the house of hank jr. and asked him whether or not misty was there. he never said that he asked him to go look for her. that was about 9:00. i think hank jr.'s timeline is a little off. >> it sounds like everybody has a very, let me just say, shifting timeline, mr. shoema r shoemaker. i'm not exactly sure that anybody knows who time it is in

satsuma, florida, the night haleigh went missing. so he does say that he called the brother and asked him, was misty there? >> yeah. he didn't specifically call hank jr.'s cell phone. he called the house of hank jr. and his family and that was at -- >> did he talk to the brother? >> i don't know who he spoke with. i know when we were speaking with fdle the call came up and they questioned him about it and said he called to ask if misty was at the house at that time. >> marlaina, we have gotten in touch with misty's attorney. after he goes through the usual legal jargon, you know, he's trying to defend his clint. basically it broils down it this. he didn't go in the house, did he? does he really know she wasn't home? did you get something else out of that statement? >> that's pretty much what he said. he says his client denies she left the home that night. >> go ahead, dear. >> he also said that, you know, she may have slept through it.

she may have ignored her brother. he has to get to the bottom of it. he hasn't spoken to misty much with this interview, with the tidbits he just gave us because she didn't tell him she was going to speak to police. they're all over the place down there, nancy. >> to gale in north carolina. hi, gale. >> caller: hi, nancy, how are you? >> i'm good, dear, what's your question? >> caller: i'm wondering if the fact if milty possibly left the house, has anybody questioned her friends or, like, people she hangs out with to see if they may know anything? >> good question. what about it, t.j. hart? >> they've been asking a lot of people a lot of questions, especially a circle of friends including one of the people who was questioned inside the putnam county jail over the last several days. she's being held there on other charges as well. none of her testimony has really amounted to anything as far as the police are saying right now. >> back to the lawyers. eleanor dixon, peter odum, alex

sanchez. peter odom, let's go to sheryl's second question. excuse me, gale's second question. now that she's flunked two polygraphs, gale wants to know why police don't go ahead and issue a warrant for her arrest? try, peter, give me your best, put it in a nutshell. >> polygraphs are unreliable. it would be unprofessional to arrest somebody on the base of a polygraph alone. >> okay, alex. just a couple of yes/nos. have you ever had one of your clients take a polygraph? >> yes, i have. >> because you believe polygraphs do work? >> i was interested in seeing what defendant had to say. he told me he was innocent and i decided to give a polygraph. >> instead of saying as mr. odum does, that they are unreliable, isn't it true under our constitution and under the law as it exists that a polygraph is not admissible in court unless both sides stipulate to add misblt prior to the poly becoin

taken. that didn't happen here. they need more than that. >> a polygraph is not a substitute for hard evidence in the case. a polygraph is not admissible in any court in the united states. therefore, if he failed a polygraph, as the questioner had called, you can't arrest somebody simply because they failed a polygraph and you can't haul them back into the police station to answer more questions based upon that. >> to thomas, private investigator, former nypd detective. thomas, what do you make of this? >> listen, i am sort of shocked by this whole thing. i'm shock the that ronald's cell phones weren't going through much more intently by the police to see how long the call was. did tommy call him back? what happened from then? i'm also shocked they haven't reinterviewed ronald at this point in time to ask him the questions. i'd love to ask his attorney, would he go back in and talk to the police at this point in time because i'd like to know that. >> to dr. janet taylor, psychiatrist and physician, medical doctor.

dr. taylor, thank you for being us. you're seeing a split between brother and sister. misty croslin's entire family is now distancing themselves from her. the mother and the father have both said she may not have been home that night. one of them says they think that she's holding back about what happened that night. what do you make of it? i find it very difficult to believe a family would unfairly target their own daughter and sister. >> well, clearly they've known her the longest. they know what she's capable of and also know her personality. i really trust what they're saying now and i think we have to, given this new information, have to investigate it thoroughly and look at her character that she really knows more than she's saying. >> art harris at www.artharris.com, art, what can you tell me about the pond that was drained in last 48 hours? >> by water, by the crow flies it's about a mile from the trailer where haleigh disappeared from but it takes 35 minutes to drive around and over a bridge to get to.

very remote, and, you know, it was accessible only by little dirt road. so they drained it. they had a tip. unclear if it came from the inmates they interviewed but that's what my sources say where it came from. they won't say who. they were looking for something they have not revealed. they didn't find anything of substance that was useful in the investigation, though, nancy. a lot of rumors. >> to dr. general figan, medical examiner, camden county, new jersey. thank you for being with us. >> you're welcome. >> doctor, i want to bring it back to haleigh, a 5-year-old little girl. she has turner syndrome. if she was still alive and had been kidnapped by someone unfamiliar with that syndrome, she was sick so much, so many doctors appointmentes, so many illnesses because of the turner syndrome. how would that affect her health with a stranger? >> everybody's different.

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shocking reports emerge in the investigation of murdered yale grad student annie le. "new york post" reporting annie's bones were allegedly broken by raymond clark so they could fit into a wall opening the size of a computer monitor. >> you'd be surprised what you could fit a body into. she is rather petite. under five foot. less than 100 pounds. you just keep pushing and pushing until it fits. >> an unnamed source telling "the new york post" annie le was so smashed up you couldn't recognize her. new haven police deny annie's body was broken, squashed, or mutilated, saying the report is

incorrect. yale university says until he was arrested lab tech raymond clark had access to the lab and campus building despite being named a person of interest, clark's card was still activated. accused murderer raymond clark not talking behind bars. new haven police chief saying the motive of annie le's murder may never be discovered. >> out to jean casarez, legal correspondent, "in session." jean, i know that you have read those reports as well, that in his desire to hide the murder he mangled her body, breaking bones in order to stuff it in about a two-foot-wide space. now, police are saying no, but those are the same police that said, no, he's not a suspect and arrested him about two hours later. the same police that said, it's not a crime. that was the university police as well. we don't consider this a crime. there's no evidence of foul play, when the woman was dead.

this is the same bunch that allowed him to have his key card for about five days after she goes missing to go in and out, in and out of any building he wants. so what are we supposed to believe? how can you fit a body, annie le's body, into an opening that small? >> it's a very good point. the point that you make. now, your producers confirmed throughout the day today that "the new york post" report was false in saying her bones were broken, that her body was mangled, it was mushed, put into a very small hole. the new haven police department issued a press release shortly before air saying "the new york post" report was false. "the new york post" reported a number of things today. that the opening was in a bathroom, that it was very small. there was a metal plate over it. once you took that metal plate off that there were water pipes that were crisscrossed and that created a difficulty for putting

the body. i think your producers have since heard five feet by five feet was the opening. >> we've heard multiple stories about the opening. dr. figen out of new jersey. how would you put a woman's body in a spot that is reportedly two by two if you don't mangle and break the bones? >> you can't put a square peg into a round hole. you have to make it hit. usually the shoulders are the widest part of the body and it has to be manipulated by fracturing or squeezing one way or another to get into the opening. >> thomas kaplan with "the yale daily news." >> the attorney took an unusual step today in instructing the police to speak publicly about this and shoot down this report. we know there actually were a couple inaccuracies in "the new york post" report. the story also said raymond clark triggered the fire alarm, himself, accidentally. the police told us today on the record that the false alarm was

not triggered by raymond clark and had nothing at all to do with the murder. >> just last week they suggested he did trigger it. to dave with "the hartford current." dave, they left the crime scene open for days. in fact, "the yale daily news" reporters, photographers, actually got down in the basement and looked around. so what's the truth? how big is the opening in which her body was hidden? >> it's about two feet, nancy. the problem, today, is her bones were not broken. she was stuffed into the tiny crawl space. it's in a -- behind a -- in a mechanical room near a bathroom. it took police five days to find her because they couldn't really bring the dogs down there initially because there are, my understanding, literally

thousands of mice and rats down there and it was difficult for the dogs to do any searching, so it took -- until the body started decomposing for the dogs to be able to hit on the spot where she was found. >> with me, dave from "the hartford current." to anna marie goodman, neighbor of raymond clark. joining us exclusively tonight. thank you for being with us. ms. goodwin, what were your impressions of raymond clark? >> my impression when i first met him, he was just a regular neighbor like anybody else. as i got to know him, i quickly discovered, i just jogged it as a mental memory that he was controlling and i was going to stay away from him. the reason -- you want to know the reasons i said that, i guess, is, you know, he's just bossy over his girlfriend all the time, and i didn't like the way that he treated his animals. >> did you ever have any interaction with him?

>> yes, i did. i talked to him once about the way he spoke to my children. he swore and yelled at my children over a bag of garbage that was in our hallway, and i said to him, ray, if you have a problem with one of my children, please address me. and he just gave me a blank stare. he didn't say, oh, i'm sorry, or who the hell do you think you're talking to? what he said was nothing, just stared at me. >> with me, ann marie goodman, raymond clark's neighbor joining us exclusively tonight. ms. goodman, i know you would see him on a day-to-day basis. what would you observe him doing? >> well, things like -- he was always in front of his girlfriend. his girlfriend always walked behind him. he always had a blank stare on his face. i noticed that he would leave his dogs unattended all day long, two pit bulls in a very

small apartment. sometimes caged, sometimes not. to me that's not some type of animal lover. i noticed that, i know reports were said that he had such care for the mice and there was some kind of argument, you know, that came the struggle over the murder. he totally left the dogs abuse the, crying and yelping all day long. the whole apartment smelled like feces, bad. you smelled it all the way down our hallway. >> what did you remember about him revving his car, bringing in junk food every night? >> they never, ever cooked. the girlfriend baked, but dinnertime, wendy's, pizza, taco bell, chinese, constantly. she'd always clean the snow off the car. she'd always be the one warming up the car. >> wait, he would send her outside to warm up the car? >> oh, every day, yep. the winter months, clean off the snow, clean off the ice. he dropped his keys one time,

she automatically bent over to pick them up.

straight back out to the neighbor of suspect raymond clark. suspect in the murder of a beautiful yale graduate student annie le. ms. goodwin, i want you to clarify what you were just saying before we went to break. what were you saying about the girlfriend, the live-in, warming the car up for him? >> jennifer. >> right, jennifer. >> she was definitely in love with him, in awe with him. you could tell that. she was a nice girl. i really liked her. but she was, like, his doormat, if you would. she would do anything he said to do. he was bossing her around all the time. they went -- very scheduled

people. went to work early. came home. she would go outside to warm the car up in the morning. if it was snowing, she'd be cleaning the snow off. you know? it used to aggravate me. i'd be like, why is she with him? >> now, what about him and her made you think to yourself, why is she with him? >> because i thought she deserved better. i thought he was a control freak. >> why? >> because the way he treated her. >> well, it's interesting that that is what many people that worked with him say. in fact, after le's body discovered, yale then issues an edict saying there'll be zero tolerance for misbehavior and harassment in the workplace. that's a day late and a dollar short, but you got those vibes from being his neighbor? >> absolutely. >> thinking back on it, miss goodwin, was there anything

unusual, other than selfish behavior, that you saw about him? or did he just blend in? >> i think that he was the average american kid probably in high school that just had a -- something on his shoulder, you know? >> with me is annmarie good win, a neighbor of raymond clark. ms. goodwin, thank you for being with us. everyone, stop. let's remember, army specialist. thomas lions. 20. killed iraq. awarded bronze star, purple heart. combat action badge. a boy scout. loved sports. dreamed of being a cop. leaves behind mom, jina, step dad, five sisters, including twin kimberly. four brothers. widow. also serves in the army. and baby boy eric. thomas lyons, american hero. thanks to our guests, but especially you for being with us. i'll see you tomorrow night. 8:00 sharp. until then, good night, friend.

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