right now on "showbiz tonight," the unbelievable jennifer, meagan smack down. jennifer aniston, megan fox. tonight, "showbiz tonight" with the incredible true story of why both of them may have woken up this morning thinking what the heck hit me? and how did that happen? john edwards' brand new baby drama. a startling new report that says edwards may finally fess up to being the daddy of a love child. and the incredible connection

between edwards' affair and a brand new blockbuster tv show. tonight, "showbiz tonight" with today's grand new jaw-dropping claims in the john edwards baby drama. plus, heidi klum eight months pregnant and the talk of the emmys. how heidi rocked the red carpet. tv's most provocative entertainment news show starts right now. hello, i'm a.j. hammer broadcasting tonight and every night from new york city. and tonight, stranger than fiction. talk about timing. we were all on pins and needles today waiting to find out if john edwards was really going to finally admit he is the father of the baby born to his mistress. there's an explosive new report edwards is going to finally fess up and it comes just one day before cbs introduces a new primetime drama called "the good wife." the show is all about a politician who's also caught

with his pants down, so to speak. how his wife handles it. "showbiz tonight" can tell you that the timing of the show and the new report about edwards led to big news breaking today. >> i need to atone to my personal failings with my wife and my two children. >> this week we are seeing the debut of the good wife, a tv drama about a couple torn apart by a politician husband's sex scandal. "showbiz tonight" can tell you this tv drama has nothing on the real-life sex skanldle of former presidential candidate john edwards. >> what's going on in real life of politicians is actually a lot juicier considering the nice about john edwards coming out this week. >> what does the edwards' drama have that this tv drama doesn't? how about a paternity issue according to brand new reports is about to explode again and a betrayed wife dying of cancer. according to new reports, even

the dave matthew's band is involved. ♪ "showbiz tonight" can tell you the john edwards scandal shows us when it comes to a good sex scandal, hollywood can't touch real life. >> they always say art imitates life and this is a prime example of that. >> various reports over the weekend suggest john edwards is very close to finally admitting that the baby born to rielle hunter, the woman edwards had an affair with during his presidential campaign, is really his child. >> in 2006, two years ago, i made a very serious mistake. >> last year when he finally confessed to the affair on "night line" after spending months denying it, edwards said there's no way the baby could be his. >> i know it's not possible this child could be mine because of the timing of events. so i know it's not possible. >> to make matters even worse, a recent "the new york times" article features a jaw-dropping claim about edwards' affair with hunter. in a book proposal, a former

aide to edwards claims that during their affair edwards promised hunter he'd marry her after his wife, elizabeth, died and that the dave matthews band would play at their wedding. >> i'm not sure how dave matthews and the band feels about being pulled into all of this. >> kim serafin of in touch weekly tells "showbiz tonight," that dave matthew's allegation, whether true or not, strikes a chord with those following the edwards' drama. >> it seems to typical of a cheating guy. i'll make it up to you. i'll buy you a diamond ring. you can take my credit card and go shopping. the dave matthews band will play at our wedding. >> i don't get why you stood by him. stuff a knife in his heart. >> on "the good wife," the husband's scandal forces the character to go back to work. >> hey, if she can do it so can you. >> in the edwards' drama, elizabeth edwards in a more

desperate situation, battling terminal cancer. >> i think it is a betrayal. >> on "larry king live" back in may, larry king asked elizabeth edwards why she stays with her husband. >> a marriage is, we all know this, it's hard work. you put it together and you work very hard on it and parts that come in good and bad include, for john, that he is an extraordinarily good man. >> so quick to judge these women. i know i was. >> on regis and killy this morning, the star of "the good wife" expressed sympathy for women in elizabeth edwards' situation. >> you forget children are involved and a family. we have no idea who goes on behind closed doors. >> which is the biggest difference between "the good wife" and the edwards scandal. only one of them involves real people and real heart ache. >> it's just really sat and it's a real tragedy, not a comedy, not a primetime drama. it's just a tragedy.

>> sad indeed. there are a lot of connections between the edwards baby drama and "the good wife." not everything's the same. joining me in hollywood, carlos diaz, correspondent for extra. also lauren lake, an attorney and author of the brand new book, "girl, let me tell you." e less bit edwards stays with john edwards despite his cheating. in "the good wife," the character starts over after her husband's sex scandal. carlos, if john edwards winds up confessing to being the father of his lover's baby, i'm guessing a lot of people are going to say, elizabeth, you have got to leave him. >> let's make one thing perfectly clear. john edwards is scum. okay? he zee fines the word scum. elizabeth edwards deserves a medal for how she's handled this. if she was not facing terminal cancer, i would say dump his butt, go around the country and talk about how much scum he really is. how much longer does she have?

does she want to spend her last days on this planet with hate, with, you know, wanting to dump this guy? he's been so amazing thus far. why not keep that incredible attitude going and just fill your life with love and just, you know, blow him off for the jerk that he is and spend time with, you know, focusing on your own kids. she has been unbelievable through all this. >> i agree 100%, carlos, with what you're saying. i have a feeling a lot of people out there looking at it from the sidelines are thinking, at least lighten the load for whatever time you have left. this morning, juliana on regis and kelly, promoting "the good wife." hear what she said today that sometimes people jump to conclusions when they see the wives of unfaithful politicians standing by their men. >> i think everyone's so quick to judge these women. i know i was. i really was. i was like, don't stand there. what are you doing? until you're in those shoes you don't know and i think you

forget there's also children involved and a family. we have no idea what goes on behind closed doors. >> all true again. children are involved here. john and elizabeth edwards have three kids together. despite that, if john edwards does turn out to be the daddy, do you think elizabeth should leave him? >> absolutely not. i think elizabeth has earned the right to have one thing and one thing only on her mind, which is how to live another day and live it well. having lost my mother to breast cancer, i don't play this armchair quarterbacking of what she should or should not do. everybody else needs to sit down and shut up. >> well said. let's move on. another big story "showbiz tonight" has been tracking all day. john travolta's agony, a trial began in the bahamas today. just such a hideous story. two people accused of trying to extort millions of dollars from the travoltas after their son died. i want to roll out the "showbiz tonight" newsline here.

january 22nd when travolta's son died in the bahamas after suffering a seizure. january 23rd, two people accused of demanding $25 million from travolta over secret documents related to how his son died. today the trial begins. travolta's expected to testify at the trial. it is only now that the devastated travolta family's been slowly reemerging publicly. we've been seeing them in sort of dribs and drabs recently. my heart goes out to them. it has since the start of this whole thing. carlos, i would have to imagine having to relive this in such a public way is going to devastate them all over again. >> you know, every celebrity out there that has felt the sting of extortion needs to salute john travolta. he's not doing this in his backyard. he's going to fly the plane down to the bahamas and like you say, have to re-live his son's death when anyone would give him a free pass to say, you've been through a lot. we don't expect you to do this. it shows what kind of amazing

person john travolta really is. saying to the people, you're not going to get away with this. >> give me insight here. do they have to put travolta through the agony all over again and have him testify to make the case in. >> i'm sure they talked it over with him and said, are you prepared for this, up to this and he said yes. that all depends on the evidence. let's be honest. if they have circumstantial evidence, testimony from travolta is going to matter. with him coming back, it was crucial to the case and that's why he's doing it. >> and perhaps, just perhaps he gets through this, puts his own effort in through getting through this and have closure and getting on with their lives. it's a paula abdul/kate gosselin spakdown tonight. paula and kate going head to head in a battle of epic proportions. who won and why? i have got the answer.

the jennifer aniston/megan fox smack down. why both of them probably woke up this morning wondering what the heck just hit me? is jessica simpson having the worst year ever? her dog, gone. her boyfriend, gone. sounds like a bad country song. then there were those mom jeans. poor jess. this is "showbiz tonight" on hln. here comes the show biz news ticker. more stories from the "showbiz tonight" newsroom making news right now. >> i think the fact that the academy is represents something that touched a lot of people and that touched a lot of people and i'm just so happy for our show.s you might as well be.

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welcome back to "showbiz tonight." i'm a.j. hammer in new york. tonight, jessica's very bad year. jessica simpson just ended her heartbreaking week-long search for her beloved dog, daisy,

snatched by a coyohoyote last tuesday. a terrible year for her. back in january, jessica wears high-waisted jeans at a concert. it launches a million mean headlines calling her fat. in february, jessica burst into tears and has a minimeltdown after forgetting the lyrics to her own song at her own concert. in july, on the night before her 29th birthday, jessica gets dumped by her boyfriend dallas cowboy's quarterback. meagan, insider for "inside edition." entertainment journalist for fivedollarprep.com. meagan, i lauid it all out. really a bad, bad year for jessica. >> part of me wants to say, jessica, keep doing what you're doing. this is great material for country music. got dumped by her man, battling

weight issues and she lost her job. i love country music. on the other hand, people are not that forgiving. you can only forget the lyrics once or twice, a.j. she needs to get it together. >> i do feel badly for her. there are a lot of people out there, who say, you know what, she kind of brings a lot of it on herself. >> absolutely. i want to take you back. this is karma for nick lachey. this is her dutching one of the greatest husbands in the world, a guy willing to dump his own stuff. put up with her crazy things and dumps the guy. this is karma coming back to bite her in the mom jean's butt. >> interesting theory there. it seems as the year was moving on, jessica, perhaps, was starting to bounce back from getting dumped by tony romo in july. he's a texan, a huge cowboys fan though he dumped her. last night before the class cowboys game, kicking off their

new stadium, nationwide tv, jessica went to twitter. first home game of the season in the new stadium, go cowboys. you remember when diehard cowboys fans were calling jessica a jinx when she was dating tony romo. people were blaming her for the loss last night. why do you think people think it's fine to be mean to jessica like this? >> i lived in texas. those texan fans are tried and true. i think you have to be careful here, jessica. i think she needs to take a break, go into hiatus, collect herself, think of what she wants to be. once a cowboy s fan, always a cowboy fan. >> maybe just in secret she's at home with a crystal ball putting a voodoo on them or something like that. very high note for jessica, very successful fashion line in macy's. a big star-studded commercial to help her promote the brand,

making fun of her own dumb image in a recent breakup. are you with me hoping by christmas jessica is going to have a new man in her stocking and more good news? >> the ball's in her court. it's up to her. don't date at lehletathletes. don't wear something called mom jeans. you're not going to make good in them. they're decisions she's making. it's up for her. >> meagan, if she takes your advice, goes on a hiatus, do you think it's good news for jessica from here on out? >> america loves a comeback. you have to be ready for it. take your time, jessica, do it right. >> do it right, jessica. meagan, alexander. i appreciate you being with us tonight. the show biz on call phone i lines have been getting jammed up. so many people have been calling on whether kate gosselin is exploits her children. our show biz on call operators have contacted me to let me know they feel exploited themselves working 12-hour days, no breaks,

fielding all those calls from outraged "showbiz tonight" viewers. a call from show biz on call from lisa in pennsylvania. lisa says kate needs to shut up and stay home. >> i just think she should be staying at home and being a parent. there are a lot of people out there who have many children. i don't think they need to exploit their children in order to make money. i think she should just go ahead and live a normal life like everybody else. >> i'm right there with you. we also heard from jennifer who called in to show bisz on call from florida who said kate is just trying to party her family. >> people keep saying stuff about she's exploiting her children. anybody who's got any kids would be doing the same thing. she's not exploiting those kids. she has eight kids. you know she can't take care of them without that tv show. >> please do remember the show biz on call phone lines are open all the time. 1-888-stb-buzz.

if you thought about doing it but never done it, do it now. leave us a voicemail. we'll play your call here on "showbiz tonight" and post it, too. your calls to show biz on call are on our home page at cnn.com/show biz tonight. kate gosselin facing opposition that goes way beyond what we've been hearing on the on call phone lines. the paula abdul/kate smack down. who won and why? beyonce's emotional tribute to an 11-year-old girl who has leukemia. i'm going to play the whole thing for you. here's a full warning. grab a box of kleenex. it's going to leave you a tears. heidi klum, talk of the emmys. eight months pregnant and looking fantastic. this is "showbiz tonight" on hln. time now for the show biz news ticker. more stories from the "showbiz tonight" newsroom making news right now.

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welcome back to "showbiz tonight." i'm a.j. hammer in new york with more stories making news right now. tonight it's the attack of the former "american idol" contesta contestant. season six contestant chris sly has a message for the season 8 finalists and it's not pretty. quote, you're not going to be successful, you're not going to be millionaires. you are going to struggle. no one will care about you. those fans afbing for your interview all tour long, 98% of you don't give a flying poo next season of idol starts. your days of being a star are over. he goes on to say even though

he's not a star anymore, he is playing music for a living. kathy griffin, "showbiz tonight" caught up with kathy at the red carpet at one of the emmy afterparties. we have to get her take on "30 rk" winning and aleck bald bin taking up the lead. >> alec baldwin is consistently funny and a little crazy. he's got a funny mix. that's how they are on "30 rock." i do not know how tina keeps the guys in line. the minute tracy walked out tonight, the audience was like, uh-oh, does he have the ankle bracelet on? when alec walks out, are they going to get into a fistfight with somebody? >> she has won two emmys for her reality show. we have a cougar alert tonight. the "showbiz tonight" facebook page is roaring with comments

about hulk hogan's 50-year-old ex-wife linda and her 20-year-old boyfriend. donna r. writing talk about theic factor. linda, are you so insecure you do not feel a real man would want you? wake up, laudedy, this boy toy will be taking you for all you're worth. what comes around goes around. burniece writes, way to go, linda. men have been doing this for years. what is the difference if a woman does it? i'd love to hear from you on facebook. also on twitter. sign up for our facebook and twitter pages on cnn.com/show biz tonight. the show biz lineup. this is what we've got at the bottom of the hour on "showbiz tonight." the jennifer aniston/megan fox smack down. why these two beauty z had the worth weekend ever. the paula abdul, kate gosselin spakdown. their big battle. who won and why. mariah carey with a brand

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now on "showbiz tonight." jennifer aniston, megan fox. they're gorgeous, they're huge stars, but tonight, "showbiz tonight" reveals why they had the worst weekend ever. it's the aniston/fox smack down. also the brand new paula abdul/kate gosselin smack down. they're big reality stars. they're both looking for work. tonight, who won this battle and why. beyonce's tear jerking tribute to an 11-year-old battling lieukemileukemia. i'm plague it for you. tv's most provocative entertainment news show

continues right now. welcome back to "showbiz tonight." it's 30 minutes past the hour. i'm a.j. hammer broadcasting tonight and every night from new york city. tonight, it is the jen and megan smack down. jennifer aniston and megan fox may have had the worse weekends ever. they must have woken up this morning with raging headaches and deep regrets. not because one of them had a bad one-night stand because both woke up to devastating news. more devastating than they could ever have imagined. both of them got a smack down like none other and there's another big smack down tonight. this time between kate gosselin and paula abdul. which woman would you rather see with her own talk show? we asked you to vote on air and online. you're not going to believe the results. it's a paula versus kate smack down. joining us tonight in hollywood, carlos diaz, correspondent for

extra. in new york, lauren lake, attorney and author of this book "girl, let me tell you." let's start off with the jennifer aniston/megan fox smack down. both of them with new movies that opened up this weekend after quite frankly doing more publicity than any human being should be allowed to do. aniston "love happens." fox had jennifer's body. both movies tanked. carl carlos, what does this say about jennifer aniston and megan fox? i don't think this should have happened. >> cloudy with a chance of meat balls is a great movie and stars mr. t. that's why i made $30 million. listen, love happens, all right, there's a great looking body in every one of megan fox's movies. we've seen it all before and i think this is our indication we want some variety. >> yeah. i guess, you know, just when

they do these big publicity splashes you at least expect a huge opening and maybe they'll trail off. i think you have to point there. aniston's "love happens" came in in fourth place. fox's "jennifer's body" came in fifth place. matt damon in "the informant" beat both of them. did people reach their limit with jen and meagan? >> i have to feel like they need new tunes to sing. especially jennifer. it's time for reinvention. we have all been on the team aniston for so long with the whole thing with her relationship and marriage and everyone felt sorry for her. she came out, told all her business again. it's kind of like, you know what? this, like, song is on repeat and we want to change the cd. so i think they just need new songs to sing and reinvention. >> to that point. i do feel bad for jen because she did put herself out there. she put herself almost in the

vulnerable position because of the subject matter of the movie, doing all this press, answering tons of personal questions about her own love life, as you mentioned there, lauren. listen to what she told "showbiz tonight" when she revealed to us what she needs to fall in love. >> i think relinquish control. i don't think it's something you can control or really choose. i mean, i think it sort of chooses you. being open to what form it comes in. what package it's delivered to you in. >> jennifer's fans have been fas natsed with her love life, after the big public breakups with vince and brad and john mayor. separate from the content of the movies do you think fans may have hit their limit with jen's love advice? >> would somebody put a gun in jennifer aniston's hand, please? i want to see her in an action film, seriously. we have hit our limit as far as the romantic comedies. we need jennifer aniston and megan fox to switch roles.

we need to see megan fox in a romantic comedy and jennifer aniston in the kick butt transformers. jen ter aniston having her shooting people. >> putting a gun in angelina jolie's hands in "mr. and mrs. smith" worked. last week paula did a great job, hosting "diva's life," kate co-hosting "the view." here's what we asked you in our "showbiz tonight" question of the day. talk show showdown. who would you rather see get her own tv show? look at that. 71% of you said paula abdul. only 29% voted for kate. people spoke loud and clear here. does it surprise you? so many more people would rather watch paula since a show than kate? >> if you saw clips of each, i caught kate on "the view" and

little bit of paula. paula outshined kate. kate was a bit lackluster. i try to give kudos to women any way she can, especially a woman trying to get her hustle going. right there, kate, i don't think i want to watch you every day talking. it was boaring. >> not to mention people are tired of her from the whining going on. people are calling in. the lines are blowing up over this. who would you rather see host their own show? this is what jennifer from alabama tells us. she's all fired up. listen. >> caller: i would love to see kate gosselin get her own show. i think she's smart. whereas paula abdul is a train wreck waiting to happen. >> not everybody agrees. laurie from new jersey e-mailed us to say this, if kate gosselin got her own tv show i would consider unsubscribing from cable or how to remove that

canal from my lineup. paula's show is not better but at least she is a celebrity because of her talent, not because of her divorce. let's be clear, paula abdul also celebrity because she is a train wreck. >> exactly. i would love to see a paula abdul talk show. you're waiting for that show to unravel. the day paula shows up. it's just not all there. as far as the whole kate thing goes, television is talking about her doing a show of mom logic. should consider her for the bachelorette. i would watch that show. >> what would she have to do? couldn't be a straight formatted talk show. what would the big deal be about kate sits around interviewing people or doing recipes? >> great in a talk show that dealt how do be a mom. she's got that down as far as eight kids. mothers could relate to her. if you're looking at a target demo of mothers during the day

watching i think it's a creation combination. >> here's one idea the jimmy kimmel live show came up with. i think this is a good one. >> 16 desperate single women, one available guy. kate gosselin presents who wants to be the underaged to have sex with my ex-husband above the garage? >> there's a title for you right there. lauren lake, what do you say? i mean, in all seriousness, if kate gosselin becomes the host of her own show she's going to become the butt of every late night joke. certainly will provide a lot of fodder in nothing else. >> she will. however, she is a woman with eight kids and going to be single soon. she's going to need a way to make money. the problem is she's going to need to use that money to get coaching. from what i saw it was a tad bit limp. >> didn't do it for you. lauren lake, carlos diaz. we'll see if the jimmy kimmel

show they came up comes to fruition. here's our "showbiz tonight" question of the day. jennifer aniston's new movie flops. are you surprised? keep voting. e-mail us more of your thoughts at "showbiz tonight"@cnn.com. i always thought beyonce was a class act. look at what she did for taylor swift at the mtv vnas after kanye west acted like a total jerk and stole her moment. i have to share this with you. beyonce's tribute to an 11-year-old girl battling leukemia. it is so heart wrenching. i will play it for you. you know who everybody is talking about from the emmys? heidi klum. now eight months pregnant and walking the red carpet? wow. also, did you see this? the world's tallest man making al roker looking teeny tiny. hey, al, ask this guy what the

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did you see this? it's the kayak race. oh, no, not ordinary race, it's a cardboard kayak race. to answer, you had to build your kayak out of cardboard and use only duct tape to keep it together. part of the caldwell indian creek festival in idaho. welcome back to "showbiz tonight." did you see this? dramatic new video today.

beyonce fighting back tears singing to a little girl who's battling leukemia. it was pretty remarkable. brand new video today of beyonce's tear jerker in australia as she serenades a sick little girl. did you see this? oh baby. heidi klum rocked the red carpet at the emmys. she was eight months pregnant. must see mommy tv. today, your first look at the world's tallest man with al roker. look at that. bet this guy could probably tell the weather better than al. in new york, meagan alexander. in hollywood, entertainment journalist for fivedollarprep.com. begin with the beyonce video. we found it on youtube today. it's beyonce at one of her concerts in sydney, australia and serenading a little girl whose name is chelsey and she suffers from leukemia. beyonce customized her hit song

"ha "halo" just for chelsey. you're going to want to bust out your kleenex for this. roll it, charles. ♪ >> i can tell you right now there was not a dry eye in the house. meagan, off to you. is this just one of the most touch lg things you have ever seen? beyonce can do no wrong in my mind. >> i heard the phrase, talent is your gift from god, how you use is is your gift to god. that little girl is going through what no child should ever have to go through. she needed to feel like a star and beyonce did just that. >> a little later on if you watch the video, the little girl

with leukemia hugged beyonce and broke down in tears. beyonce made this little girl's dream come true. i know beyonce so well she didn't do it so we would be here talking about her today. she did it because it was from the heart. >> she's a genuine person. you can tell the way she's holding her, singing to her. no joke. i've been carrying these around with me all day. it's a powerful video. it will bring any big man down to his knees. >> we came across something else today that made us say, did you see this? i got to show you this. "showbiz tonight" there at the emmys sunday night. oh, baby, so was heidi klum. check it out. today everybody talking about heidi's baby on board. heidi strutted on to the emmy red carpet eight months pregnant wearing a form fitting gown. do you think women all across the country were watching her on emmy night? >> you go, girl. if i can only hope to look half

that good when i'm pregnant some day, a.j. she's going to have her fourth baby. she's got a good looking husband. this is a tight dress at eight months pregnant. i thought she looked incredible celebrating a soon to be mother. i thought it was awesome. >> we've seen pregnant women on the carpet in the past. eight months. they had to have an exit plan i'm sure. another big story everybody talking about today. al roker, absolutely dwarfed by the world's tallest man. look at that picture. you've got to see how they opened up the "today" show this morning. this is great. >> tall guy will introduce you to the world's tallest man, all 8'1" of him today, monday, september 21st, 2009. >> that is 27-year-old, he's 8'1", wears a size 22 shoe. today he was recognized as the world's tallest man by guinness book of world records. al roker also posted a photo on

his twitter page today. you interviewed this guy, was it just surreal standing there with him? had to be something incredible. >> it really was. what was interesting about him, too, i learned he had a hard time as a younger guy in his teens dealing with being so tall. he finally decided to embrace it. embrace his uniqueness which i think it's a really neat message for everyone. you know, that he's embracing, that he's different. he's embracing his celebrity and kicking off a world tour now and traveling all over. >> can we throw up, charms, the picture al roker put on his twitter page earlier? i'm looking at this and it looks fake. it's real. do you think he might have the edge on al roker giving the weather forecast? >> even old al who would have still been impressive. this guy needs to come out to hollywood. a reality show at least. i think he can bank his look. >> sounds like a good guy, too. i do appreciate you being with

us tonight. i must tell you heidi klum's gorgeous pregnant belly was just one of the many things the stars were talking about at the emmy awards. it was also obama-mania last night. check out former young & the restless star's dress. "showbiz tonight" right there on the emmy red carpet. look what we spotted victoria wearing. she a sporting obama couture. we caught up with another big obama fan, sally fields. sally, as you know, never been shy about opening up when it comes to politics. listen to her go off on the debate surrounding obama's health care plan when we caught up with her at the hbo post emmy party. >> there will be those people who attack him. some of these people are completely insane and need to be taken right away and the health care system needs to be applied to them because they are mentally ill and they need some help. then others have, it's legitimate we should be having this debate.

that should have been going on a long time ago and he's really bringing it about. >> i love sally fields. she always speaks her mind. as we move on tonight, it really is show biz smack down monday on "showbiz tonight." we've got jennifer aniston and megan fox, paula abdul and kate gosselin. let's go for three. tonight, mariah carey's brand new attack on eminem. i assure you there's no vision of-here. why can't mariah just let this go? this is "showbiz tonight" on hln. time for the show biz news ticker. more stories from the "showbiz tonight" newsroom making news right now.

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welcome back to "showbiz tonight" tonight. tonight mariah carey lashing out at eminem again. these two have been feuding for a while. em came out with a song called "bag pipes from baghdad,". mariah came out swinging with a song called "obsessed" from her new album. now, mariah on offense again. according to perez hilton when asked about the beef with him, mariah on the french radio show just said this about eminem. i don't even know who that is. i haven't heard them on the radio. they don't seem to play them here in america. nice. mariah not even acknowledging eminem there. i got to say, maybe it's all

been fun and games, maybe it's time to let it go. friday we asked you to vote in our "showbiz tonight" we of the day. talk show showdown. who would you rather see get her own show? 71% of you said paula abdul. 29% said kate gosselin. joanne from british columbia canada writing, no kate tv for me. kate gosselin is not a positive working mother. she only cares about what she can get for herself. she lives for money and fame. she thinks she is a star but in my eyes she's not. tim in florida adds, when you ask whether we would rather see kate or paula hosting a talk show, we need a third option. neither. my favorite emmys moment came during the most emotional part of the show. when everybody takes a minute to remember the tv stars who have died in the past year. we all know there were really big names we lost. paul newman, patrick swayze, ed mcmahon, farrah fawcett. the tribute was song so beautifully by one of my

favorite singers of all time. sarah mcklauk lynn. listen to "i will remember you." ♪ i want to feel your arms around me ♪ ♪ i want to be the one ♪ i will remember you ♪ will you remember me >> powerful moment. thank you so much for watching. that is it for "showbiz tonight." i'm a.j. hammer in new york. catch "showbiz tonight" on the 11s. on at 11:00 p.m. eastern and pacific and weekday mornings at 11:00 a.m. eastern here on hln.

coming up next on "issues." florida authorities say it is the most horrific, most violent crime scene they have ever witnessed. a mother and five children all with their throats slit. we're talking an 11-month-old child, a 3-year-old, a 5-year-old. a 6-year-old and a 9-year-old. the father flees to haiti, where he's picked up by authorities. and there's a history of domestic violence in this family, but the mother always pleaded to give the dad a second chance. we're going to dive into that on "issues." we're going to talk about john edwards. this scandal gets more and more sorted. a former aide pushing a book filled with shocking and i mean head-spinning claims against that man right there, we'll tell you about him coming up on

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we begin with breaking news tonight. a hideous crime, nothing short of diabolical. police find a mom and her five children, count them, five, all with their throats slit in their florida home. cops have the husband and father, mesac damas, in their crosshairs. he is said to have fled the country after he allegedly massacred his entire family. here are the precious children in a photo from his website. highfive.com. look at those beautiful kids. all of them are dead. they ranged in age from the baby, just 11 months old, to 9 years of age. police say they have never, never, ever seen such brutality at a crime scene.

>> i can tell you that in no uncertain terms, this is the most horrific and violent event this community has ever experienced. every homicide is tragic. however, this is the worst of the worst. >> just hours ago, a reporter from the associated press saw damas, pictured here in facebook -- there he is, with a drink in his hand -- captured by haitian authorities. get this, he is still being called a, quote, person of interest, and not a suspect. seriously, people? this is a guy who fled the country to haiti and has a long history of domestic violence against his family. this past january, he was arrested on charges of battering his wife, forcing her to drop their youngest child. he pleaded no contest. in a sick twist, we have just learned that three, count them, three days before the family was

found bludgeoned to death, a child welfare caseworker visited the home and found nothing amis. meantime, according to a blog called islandcrisis.net, damas reportedly posted a chilling comment on his facebook page. quote -- this is so weird -- good people do not go to heaven, only sinners do. thank god i am going to heaven. what? end quote. we called police about this undated post. they had no comment. this is a fast-breaking story. and tonight's big "issue," the war on families. is it just me, people, or are these massacres that wipe out entire families becoming more and more frequent? straight out to my amazing expert panel. jayne weintraub, criminal defense attorney. brenda wade, clinical psychologist. boy, do we need you. tom ruskin, former new york city police investigator and president of cmt protective and investigative group.

and ryan mill, staff writer for "the naples daily news." ryan, you've been on top of this story. what is the very latest on this horrific, mind-bogglingly, go grotesque case? >> as you said, they do have mr. damas in custody down in haiti. we've been told by the collier county sheriff's office that they intend to have someone ready to go down there to interview him as soon as early tomorrow morning. >> you know, my question is, why, why, why, ryan, are they still calling him a person of interest? i don't like that term anyway. but why are they calling this guy a person of interest? he has a long history of domestic abuse. >> well, you know, i'm not going to speculate as to what their -- what the collier county sheriff's office is doing inside. but my guess is they're going to be taking this as slowly and carefully as possible, make sure they do everything by the book, so they get things done correctly. >> yeah, i don't get it. i really don't.

jayne weintraub, help me out. >> with pleasure. if the police had done their jobs, we might not be in this position, jane. here's the bottom line. in florida, we are thankful to have a statue that you would want, that people who are arrested for domestic violence are to be held without a bond, without a bond, until they are brought before a judge wherein a state attorney is ordered to have produced to the judge a prior background report with every domestic violence incident reported that is known to the state attorney's office. what does that mean? it means the state attorney dropped the ball. means the judge dropped the ball. and we have our good old caseworker from the department of children and family services. >> who was there three days before. three days before, a child welfare official visited the home, tom ruskin, found nothing amis. the visit was unannounced. dinner was in the oven. the kids appeared in good health.

>> well, i don't think the problem was with the mother. i think the problem was the mother and the father. and obviously something broke down in the court system. we had three or four cases since 2005 basically saying to the courts, hey, look, they have a problem, or she somehow has a problem in not kicking him out, in not keeping him out, in not keeping him away from her five children. >> wait a second, let's talk about the history of domestic violence, okay? and then we can analyze this. police say there's been a handful of domestic disturbance calls involving this couple to police since way back in 2000. >> in january of this year, he was arrested for a simple battery or misdemeanor battery against the female that we found deceased in the apartment. he pled no contest to it in june. >> did he get any jail time? >> i do not believe so, other than the initial arrest. >> let's take a closer look at

this record. 2005, the mom brought a domestic violence case against the man. she got injunctions. they were dismissed two weeks later. then he filed a case against her. that motion dismissed two weeks later. november 2006, he filed another injunction. this time, it was denied. this past january, the state of florida charged the now husband -- because he used to be the boyfriend -- with misdemeanor battery. he pleaded no contest. got 12 months probation. 200 hours of community service. and a $600 fine. and he was ordered to attend a batterer's intervention program. guess that batterer's intervention program didn't work, brenda wade. >> you know, it's very tough when you're looking at long-term battering. and, jane, it doesn't matter what walk of life you come from. domestic violence touches all of us. it's happened to the very wealthy, the very poor, whether you're black, white, hispanic, asian, it doesn't matter. the statistics are in.

i spent years working in the field of domestic violence. and i can tell you, it's no respecter of persons. the thing that troubles me is that this is a classic case. we've seen this so many times. the wife tries to protect herself. she gets an injunction. she may get a restraining order. and then she gets frightened. now, let me tell you the facts about what allows a person to leave a batterer. when she has support -- >> let me jump in right here. >> -- financial support or education. >> brenda, i got to jump in here. >> jump in, jane. >> i got to do a big reality check. these domestic violence issues started in 2000. >> that's right. >> her oldest child was 9 years old. which means she had at least four children, possibly five children, after the domestic violence began. to me, that in itself is a crime, brenda. >> jane, i will tell you -- that as many cases as i have responded to, as a cop, as a detective, you find a lot of

times that the person does not want to leave. once the cops come and say, listen, we have to arrest the spouse for domestic abuse, at that point in time, they'll jump on the cops. >> well, let me take issue because it's not that she doesn't -- >> -- let brenda talk. brenda, go ahead. >> it's not that she doesn't want to leave. the issue is that we actually have done studies on what it is that allows a woman to leave. she has to have some place to go. she has to have money. she has to have someone there to help her leave. >> this woman sent her a letter to the judge this year begging the judge to give her husband a second chance. >> that is classic, jane. >> four years ago, she filed a motion to dismiss an injunction against the same person, who was then her boyfriend, for beating her. what did she say to the judge? "i would like to give him a second chance." so what does the judge do? dismiss the case. >> he didn't have to do that, jane. and the state attorney's office

could have compelled her testimony and they don't need the victim's consent or approval. it's the one crime the state attorney's office needs to go forward on, regardless of what the victims want to do in this case because we will see repeatedly these murder cases happen. >> brenda -- >> jane, i'll go one step further. when the cops show up, they're mandated by law in most states in this country to make an arrest. if they notice any domestic violence or any kind of signs that domestic violence complaint is substantiated. >> hello, i'm going to hit myself on the head with this thing. brenda wade. there is a disconnect here. there's a domestic violence issue that began a decade ago. >> that's right. >> and there were five children conceived during this entire saga, this drama. >> jane, the longer -- yes. the longer a person lives in domestic violence, the more her self-esteem, her sense that she can live a life without being beaten, without being abused.

because part of this, you know, is not physical. part of the abuse is mental and emotional. where constantly she's being told she's worthless. she's been brainwashed every day. we have a syndrome called battered wife's syndrome. >> -- not get pregnant? >> jane, i wish i could say that a woman who's in this situation is thinking with a brain that's not impacted. it's not the case. if we could have gotten her into a shelter, given her a safe place for her and her kids. if the police had followed through, or the courts had followed through. but it looks as if everybody dropped the ball here. >> well, the police did -- >> -- we know that battered women have a hard time leaving. >> the police did follow through. the police were called. they made an arrest. >> they were checking in on her on a weekly basis. they said that the father -- the family, they were doing well over the summer. >> yeah, i'm sure they checked on her. just like in garrido, they checked on him. i mean, where were they to give this woman options to take her

to a shelter like dr. wade was talking about? where were they to give her counseling? where were they to help her? forget walking in and seeing nobody's dead. there's no blood around. okay, the kids are fine? i'd like to see the report from this child welfare worker. >> i'm starting to think these anger management classes and batterer intervention programs do not work. >> agreed. >> anybody disagree with that? >> sometimes they do. it's not always the case that they fail, jane. but this is such a difficult, complicated issue. you have to remember, somebody in a chronic battering situation is, number one, depressed, has no self-esteem, and usually if they stay, it's because she has no options to get out. >> i understand. i want to make it very clear, i don't want to blame this mom. she is a victim. i just wish that somebody could have saved five innocent beautiful children. >> exactly. >> and that's why it's so nauseating, so upsetting. five beautiful, innocent children are dead. and there was a decade of abuse

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she was just here the past tuesday night for curriculum night with her children. she went in to all three of the boy's classrooms. i think i'm still in shock. what a horrible tragedy. and to think that lives are gone at such an early age. a real tragedy. i anticipate many questions from children. i anticipate worry, sadness. >> such horror. i am asking the question i have

become so sick of asking -- what on earth do we tell the young schoolchildren, classmates, of these victims, in the wake of violence like this? five kids and their mom slaughtered, perhaps by their own father. we could see that the mother was trying to be a good mother. you heard the teacher right there saying she would do everything she could as a mom. but when you forgive somebody who beats you and beats your children, you are entering a danger zone you may not ever escape. phone lines lighting up. tana in west virginia. your question or thought, ma'am? >> caller: yes, hi, jane. >> hi. >> caller: what i'd like to know is how did this man get out of the country so fast? and why is he not back in the u.s. under custody at this time? >> tom ruskin, you want to take it? there he is, with a drink in his hand at a beach. >> basically, the way he got out of the country is he bought a ticket like anyone else. he probably wasn't wanted at that point in time. i don't even know if they had

found the bodies by the time he had left the country. the answer to your question is in 1904, the u.s. signed a treaty with haiti. he's being held under that treaty as a person, as jane doesn't like to say, of interest, and probably will be brought back by extradition very shortly. >> ryan, you want to jump in a little bit? >> yeah, he -- he left for miami. it's about a two-hour drive from naples to miami. he left for miami and departed around 7:00 in the morning on friday. the bodies weren't discovered until sometime saturday i think evening or -- it was in the evening. >> tonight's big "issue." one of many. is there a war on families being waged by the men who are supposed to be protecting and defending their wives and children? let's recap and review. 32-year-old christopher coleman charged with first-degree murder in the strangulation death of his wife and two sons. his alleged motive, cops say he was having an affair, made up threats related to his job, then they say he carried out the monstrous murders.

then there's 22-year-old guy heinz. this is a recent case we've been covering here on "issues." prosecutors say he massacred his father, uncle, aunt and four cousins. police say he beat them to death. brenda wade, what is going on with this level of family violence in america? are we just covering it more? or is there something in the water out there that is making people more murderously rageful against their own families? >> you know, jane, one of the things we do see is that during times of economic distress, people who are living on the edge go over the edge. this man had already been a violent person, a violent husband and father, for many years. and he went over the edge. in some of the other cases that we've been covering, i think we see somebody who already had a problem and then they crack. my concern is that when we know somebody has a problem, we need to act. we need to act definitively to protect the women, the innocent children that are in the path or the other family members.

>> brenda, i agree with you entirely. and the fact is, there were so many red flags here. red flags everywhere in this relationship. >> plenty of opportunity. yes. >> that ended in the brutal slaying of this young mom and her five children. i mean, we've discussed already the history of domestic violence. but then the mother's brother said his sister wanted to divorce her husband and then he said they always argued. "you never knew what he was going to do next," was quote. the kids used to say, quote, uncle, uncle, daddy hit mommy, end quote. >> right, right. >> i mean, a friend of the mom's warned her, hey, this abuse could end in death. jayne weintraub. i understand, we have something called the power and control reel, which we're going to throw up for you in a second. which shows how women are intimidated and dominated and they're controlled by abusive men in their lives. but nevertheless, why have these kids, one after the other, when you're being abused like this?

>> because she was a victim. because she couldn't see out of her own hole. like dr. wade was saying. you know, jane, the problem here isn't just that she's a victim, i think it's compounded by the police coming in and leaving, or the child welfare worker coming in and saying, oh, everything's okay, okay, and not recognizing to reach out, to give her alternatives and take her to women's shelter, put her in your car and say, hey, what about the teachers, what about the principal? this little boy was telling people, telling his uncle, "daddy is hitting mommy." he's telling other people too. what's up with our communities? >> well, you know, tom ruskin, we only have ten seconds. i think we do interventions for addicts. we need to do interventions, family interventions, when a situation becomes abusive. >> you're absolutely right. that's where the system is failing. it's not failing when the police are making an arrest. it's failing thereafter. they have it right on the nose. >> we have to leave it right there. fantastic panel. former aide of john edwards has a new book proposal.

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in tonight's "spotlight," a convicted killer escapes during a trip to the fair. you heard that right. a killer treated to a field trip. phillip paul was captured yesterday, four days after he sauntered a i way from a county fair in washington state. if that sounds crazy to you, it gets crazier. it wasn't the first time law enforcement let this criminally cuckoo insane man escape at a fair. what kind of judicial system are we running here, people? no doubt, the authorities have some explaining to do. >> i think the questions that are being raised are absolutely appropriate and the governor and i this morning when we spoke, some of the most serious questions i have about this are

the policies and the procedures that led to the outing, the choice of the outing. the choice of the outing. >> you think? oh, boy. police say when they found paul, he was carrying a backpack, guitar case and a rusty sickle. scary stuff, considering, all joking aside, he killed a woman. in 1987, paul was found not guilty by reason of insanity and sent to a mental hospital. in '91, he escaped during another outing. when cops caught up with him he then assaulted a deputy and knocked him unconscious. why weren't his field trip privileges revoked back then? criminal defense attorney jayne weintraub, not guilty by reason of insanity doesn't mean you didn't do it, it means you're so cuckoo for cocoa puffs, whacked out, you don't know your crime is wrong, right? >> that's correct, jane. you don't know right from wrong at the time you commit the act. however, in this particular case, there's nothing wrong with the verdict. what's wrong here is with the institution. he was deemed to be dangerous.

that's why after a not guilty by reason of insanity he was housed in a mental institution and committed because he is dangerous. why did the institution permit him to go on this crazy field trip? >> and he packed a guitar with him. did they really think he was performing at the fair perhaps? i mean, he left with a guitar. why would you take a guitar if you were coming right back to the institution? let me continue on with this madness. when paul left for the fair, he had a backpack that was not searched and that wasn't the only problem. >> mr. paul was noncompliant in taking his medications. my question is, if somebody was noncompliant in taking their medications, what made anybody believe that he would be compliant on a field trip to the spokane county fair on family day? this is a situation that, in my opinion, should not have happened. >> how can he even say that with a straight face?

>> this is a guy who cut a woman's throat and doused her with gasoline because he heard voices. >> field trip? i don't even understand where this cop can say with a straight face that he shouldn't even be given the privilege of a field trip. he is deemed dangerous until further proceedings in a court. i haven't seen any further proceedings in a court. therefore, he should not have been at all out of that mental institution. >> the only field trip he should be getting is from one cell to another, as far as i'm concerned. >> well, he certainly isn't getting help and he certainly isn't getting better. that's for sure. and once again, the system failed. >> yeah, it's been going on. remember john hinckley who attempted to assassinate president reagan, and he was found not guilty by reason of insanity, he was obsessed with jodie foster? he ended up getting field trips, over and over again. and he would sneak back jodie foster material. it's beyond comprehension. thank you, thank you, jayne. disgusting new allegations from a former aide of john edwards claiming edwards had promised to marry his mistress.u e how she'.

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shocking and troubling insight into the john edwards love triangle. his former aide told "the new york times" edwards fathered a child with a mistress, all the while his wife was battling cancer. but it gets worse, a lot worse. edwards allegedly promised to marry his lover as soon as his wife died. plus, disturbing questions from the jaycee dugard case. phillip garrido allegedly fathered two children with jaycee. now, investigators are trying to figure out whether these girls who could be his daughters were raped and molested by this monster. tonight -- a bombshell in an already very messy political scandal. is john edwards ready to

publicly admit he's the father of his mistress' baby? well, some are claiming so. "the new york times" got their hands on a book proposal from a former staffer of john edwards, andrew young. young claims edwards has known all along that he fathered rielle hunter's child. admitting it publicly would be a major about-face. here is edwards last year on abc's "nightline." >> i know that it's not possible that this child could be mine because of the timing of events. so i know it's not possible. happy to take a paternity test. and would love to see it happen. >> young says edwards convinced him to sign an affidavit claiming he, the aide, was the father of hunter's child. young has since renounced that statement. now, here's the former senator in 2007, accepting the father of the year award. soon after, young says edwards was looking for a doctor to falsify a dna report. if that is true, it would seem

that he would go to any lengths to disown an innocent little girl. then there were the preposterous things he allegedly promised his mistress while his wife battled cancer. we'll get to those in a moment. i'd like to welcome back my fantastic panel. and joining us, of course, mark ieglarsh. mark, this scandal just gets worse and worse and worse. is it possible that politicians that have risen to this level still don't realize that in this day and age, with all the media out there and the bloggers and the internet and having a cast of thousands involved in your conspiracy, including aides and wealthy patrons, you ain't gonna be able to keep a secret like this for very long? >> obviously, he didn't get it, or he would have been truthful with the american people from day one. i think that we're tired of it already. i think i speak for everybody to say, first of all, i say this. and the second thing that i say

is very clearly we are tired of people lying to us about events like this. just be honest, be open, and that will be okay. what he did in this case was morally reprehensible. you missed the sign, did you, jane? >> i want to see the sign. i didn't see it. >> baby, right here. >> let me see. put it in the center because i can't really see it. right in front of your face. thank you. i agree. because there's some -- you know what my book is about? tell the truth. be honest. >> yes, that was the point. >> if i was an alcoholic, i wasn't honest with myself or anyone else. when i got sober -- you know what it takes to stay sober, rigorous honesty. okay? >> truth. truth. >> and that's absolutely connected to this story. this guy, if what this aide is saying, brenda wade, this guy is a pathological liar. >> he is. this is the tough thing. if somebody cheats and he betrays, he can't be trusted. so how can we expect him to tell the truth? he doesn't know what the truth is.

the elaborate scheming, buying a false dna test to cover up your trail? >> but that's not our business -- >> he's implicating so many people. so by definition, let's start with the most basic truth of all. mr. edwards is lacking integrity and character. and i believe it was einstein who said that "a life without integrity is a life with no beauty." this is ugly, ugly, ugly. >> wait a second, i think i just heard jayne weintraub defending john edwards. >> this is not our business. >> what? >> his personal -- listen, jane, what he has done is personal and political suicide. that's not our business. our business now is determining whether a crime was committed. and there are two legal issues. >> okay, i don't want to go into those right now. i want to go into what you just said because you just threw down the gauntlet. i think we have a sound bite right here that she shows you are, perhaps, wrong. john edwards made his wife's cancer part of his political

campaign. here's what he said publicly about his wife elizabeth's tragic illness. >> i intend to do the same thing i've always done with elizabeth. we've been married 30 years. known each other longer than that, and we will -- we will be in this every step of the way together. >> okay. that's campaign. that's public. now, in a book proposal, his former aide is claiming he told his lover, rielle hunter, something very different. the aide claims edwards promised her that once his wife died, presumably of cancer, he would marry her in a rooftop ceremony in new york city with a performance by the dave matthews band. again, this is according to andrew young. if that's true, that is really beyond callous. >> i'm surprised that jayne really believes that. that somehow this is private? when you run for public office, you're putting yourself out there. and then when you go on national television, you say there's no way that that could be your offspring, then you have clearly stepped over the line. >> hasn't he paid a personal

price for that already and political suicide? the question now is whether it's obstruction of justice. this is not a judge -- a moral issue for us to judge him. he's got to live with that. and so do his wife and kids. >> let me get to the campaign issue. because you're talking about the legalities of all this. edwards says his affair with hunter ended in 2006. that year, his pac, political action committee, paid her more than 100 grand for a few videos she produced. about 14,000 of that was paid well after the videos were made. so prosecutors are taking a close look at this. also claims, in "the times," that wealthy patrons provided hunter with large financial benefits. including a bmw and lodging. >> yes, if they can show willful deceit -- and they're going to try to do it -- then he may find himself stripped of his liberty. it's going to be difficult, but they'll try. >> it's a stretch to say they were trying to pay her for her silence. and that would be obstruction of

justice according to, you know, the investigation that's going on right now. >> why else do you give somebody a bmw and pay for their lodging? >> maybe because he was having an affair with her. >> that's what i said, because -- >> -- there's another side to this, jane -- >> -- not to distract him -- >> there's another side to this that troubles me. >> go ahead, brenda. >> the part of it that troubles me, is when we say it's not for us to judge, absolutely, i agree. it is not our job to judge. but it is our job to say if someone is an elected leader, a public figure, don't we have in some way, the right to expect them to serve as an example? this is a man who has children of his own. he has a wife who is ill. and how much immoral in the sense of what's right, what's fair, what's honest, what's loyal, what's trustworthy, do we have a right to expect from an elected official? >> but that's why he resigned, brenda. that's why he got out of the race. >> what i'm saying is at the end of the day, he is still a public

figure. the fact that he resigned doesn't make him less of an example. he'd still been lying and saying the child couldn't be his and we're about to hear any day, i imagine that, in fact, the child is his. >> well, let's talk about that. elizabeth edwards has said -- >> he was thrown out. >> elizabeth edwards says she doesn't know whether her husband fathered the child. larry king asked her last month if john was willing to take a paternity test. listen to her answer. >> my expectation is at some point something happens. i hope for the sake of this child that it happens in a quiet way. >> friends of the couple claim it's elizabeth who doesn't want her husband to come clean about paternity. first of all, i'd love to hear her side of the story. because i'm sure there's another side to this. secondly, i have total and complete compassion for her. but isn't the truth, brenda wade, always the best option, no matter how awkward? >> the truth is always the best option. the fact that mrs. edwards who

is battling cancer, where it's important that a person not have high levels of adrenal cortical hormones going through their blood that only make the disease worse and suppresses immune function and on and on. truth could in fact help the healing. truth always does. >> but, mark, i want to get back to this. go ahead. >> in the criminal -- let me just say, i agree with what brenda's saying. i want to carry that through to the criminal justice system. i always instruct my clients to be truthful with law enforcement and be truthful with themselves because the ones who get screwed in the criminal justice arena primarily are those who later have lies come back and bite them in the you know what. >> now, here's the thing about lies -- because i have studied so many lies as part of all the criminal investigations that i have done. and lies have to be protected by other lies. you can't just tell a lie because that lie is not truthful. so you have to cover it up with other lies. those lies, in turn, have to be covered up with other lies.

>> oh, there's a little nursery rhyme about that, isn't there, jane? it says, "oh, what a tangled web we do weave when at first we choose to deceive." >> exactly. what happens is these toxic secrets grow more and more ornate, more unmanageable, more unwieldy, and then they explode right in our face. and that's exactly what has happened to john edwards. if he had just told the truth right at the start, we wouldn't be talking about it right now, jayne weintraub. what? >> he didn't have to say anything. unlike mark, i tell my clients, do not talk to anybody. do not make a comment. >> he had to comment. "the national enquirer" caught him in an elevator. >> when you're placed in a position where cameras are pointed at you and you're being asked questions, you've got to then answer. i say you tell the truth. >> i agree with mark eiglarsh. >> the truth always. >> god bless you. >> the truth will set you free. for more on john edwards' new baby drama, tune in at 11:00

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what kind of hell did jaycee dugard's two daughters live through? we are getting a first glimpse into their relationship with their alleged captor, phillip garrido. but first, "top of the block" tonight.

a jaw dropper in the haleigh cummings case. new allegations from misty cummings' brother. was misty not even at the house the night little haleigh disappeared? tommy croslin told cops that haleigh's dad, ron cummings, asked him to check on misty at 10:00 that night. he says he knocked on the door and called her cell phone. she never answered. whoa. that's big. now, remember, misty insists she went to sleep at 10:00 that night and haleigh was sleeping nearby. if tommy is telling the truth, this could be the major break in the case. "issues" will, of course, keep you posted on that and bring you the very latest. moving on -- is the king of pop's mom one step closer to getting a say in her son's estate? a judge ruled katherine can challenge the executors who oversee michael's estate without losing her share in the family trust. that's a major win for the woman who is already set to inherit

40% of michael's assets. if katherine gets to decide how to manage michael's future earnings, she could stand to make a lot more money. but that's only if she makes smart financial decisions. we'll have to wait and see. that is tonight's "top of the block." a really shocking glimpse inside jaycee duguard's 18 years of hell. jaycee answered the horrifying question, did phillip garrido allegedly rape his own children? did he abuse the two daughters he apparently fathered with her? "the san francisco chronicle" reports jaycee told investigators no, that never happened. "the chronicle" also reporting jaycee insists garrido has not raped or molested her, jaycee, in years. is this true? or could jaycee be suffering from stockholms syndrome? is she trying to protect her alleged captor? also today, police continue their intense search of the garrido property. what or who could be under the ground in that yard? cadaver dogs picked up a human

scent and ground penetrating radar confirmed something, something is down there. now, another dog brought in just today, this one trained to find older human remains, has honed in on the very same exact spot. >> one of the dogs did alert in the same general area as last week's alert. which is also the same general area of the anomaly from the gpr scanning. that's going to be the area that we focus on this afternoon when we begin digging. >> here's brand-new video of today's search. cops ripped up concrete slabs and are feverishly digging underneath them. they found more bones. but investigators do not think those particular bones they've just found are human. will they find the remains of two little girls who went missing in the area? and what could jaycee possibly want from this filthy, decrepit prison she was kept in for almost two decades? well, we have an answer.

brand-new reports from the associated press indicate jaycee is begging, begging, please, give me my pets back. plus, more evidence of phillip garrido's erratic behavior. does this wacky black box hold clues to garrido's madness? so many new twists. in a truly horrific case. straight out to my expert panel. criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor, mike eiglarsh. criminal defense attorney, jayne weintraub. psychologist brenda wade. brenda, what are the chances that garrido never touched the two children he fathered with jaycee as jaycee is reportedly claiming? >> you know, jane, they're about 50/50. there's some possibility that because they were his biological children, maybe some hidden, protective impulse in him was triggered. on the other hand, this guy is a predator, he is a pedophile. there is a high likelihood at the same time he did molest those little girls. we don't know.

but i would say it's 50/50 at best. >> but i have read studies or reports of cases where predators will prey on other people's children, but they won't engage in incest with their own children. >> exactly. that can happen. but there are also cases where the predator can't resist touching any child. because if that child is there and they have access, they cross the line. >> i wouldn't believe a word that flows from this pedophilia's mouth. he's a doctor of evil. he repulses me. and it's very likely that this king of manipulation isolated these girls and made sure that they did not tell anyone of what he did to them. that's also the m.o., modus operandi, for these types of people, and i wouldn't in any way listen to what they're saying. i would conduct an independent investigation and find out. >> i got to jump into this. we're getting new insight into

this guy's twisted mind. get this, garrido claimed this black box, which you're about to see, could speak his thoughts. garrido made friends wear headphones, then moved his lips while his voice somehow came out of the box. he wrote a 20-page manifesto about the box. >> and this is why the defense lawyers are going to ask, as unpopular as it is, jane, to explore an insanity defense. said the box could understand what he was trying to communicate without talking. remember, drugs, lsd, assid at the heart of the case. he took drugs. this is national recovery month. as you know, i have also struggled with addiction in my book, "i want".

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she has been in prison all of these years. >> do you think that she is saying i wasn't touched for many years because she wasn't touched for many years or could it be part of this programming of her brain? >> jane, i think it could be either. i have to say it could be consistent if the guy is a pedophile. she wasn't a little girl anymore. we have that possibility on the other hand, he clearly seems to be somebody who thrives on control and manipulation and domination of another human being. >> the ap reporting, she is plead tog get other pets back. animals have healing power and

they are used in hospitals were war veterans. and helped them live through years of alleged abuse and isolation. animal control removed the animals from the tents in the yard. >> i find this fascinating that she was able to nurture here two children and these animals and this could have been what saved her sanity and that is why she is demanding the companion animals back. it is the least that you could do. she found unconditional love something that she didn't have from that monster. >> i was trying to make a point. to follow up with what brenda said, that would have meant

what? when she was 25 or 26 he was no longer interested in her so this guy's in fatation with her continued on. >> 20 seconds. i hope that she is able to heal, come forward and go through a trial if we have to or not. but she should he'll and be well. >> i hope they manage to nail him and his co court without retraumatizing her and the children. we are excited to the prime timeline up on hln. watch the joy behar show. thank you to my fan ts fick panel.an click on cnn/jane

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bombshell tonight. after girlfriend turned new step mom misty croslin's brother thrown behind bars on a gun charge, a break in the case. in a late-night jailhouse interrogation, we learn the brother finally confesses. he goes to haleigh's house the night she goes missing, pounds on the door repeatedly.

over, over, and over. nobody home. in a stunning twist, the brother's confession cracks this case wide open. at the same time, investigators hone in on a heavily-wooded area and in the last 24 hours drain a local pond in connection with haleigh. as girlfriend turned step mom misty croslin flunks another polygraph, her family distancing themselves from her. tonight, where is haleigh? >> i just woke up and our back door was open and i can't find our daughter. >> law enforcement sources confirm it appears step mom/babysitter misty croslin was not home the night haleigh went missing. >> i walked in the kitchen and the back door is wide open. that's all i know. is when i woke up, when i went

to -- when i woke up she was gone. >> her story changed several times. i just hope she would not have nothing to do with it. >> misty croslin's brother, tommy croslin, told authorities he went to haleigh's home around 10:00 p.m. that night looking for sister, misty, but the lights were all off. there are no sounds coming from the home and no answer when he knocked on the door. >> i know i didn't do anything to that little girl. >> here's the back screen door. the one that was propped open with the cinderblock. okay? now, if you see, when it closes, it slams. it makes a loud noise. if you leave this door, this literally closes as well. >> i feel like if she knows something, i don't think she's purposely hiding it. >> do you believe she left the home and left the children alone, ronald? >> absolutely not. and tonight, live to

connecticut and the sudden disappearance of a gorgeous young ivy league doctoral student, just before she's set to walk down the aisle. the 24-year-old beauty last spotted on grainy surveillance video walking into a yale research building. a false fire alarm mysteriously goes off in the building. people rush out. annie le is never seen again. at nearly the exact hour le set to walk down the aisle, wedding dress on a hanger in the closet, flowers ordered, the girl's body found stuffed in a two-foot wall cable space there at yale's research building. bloody clothes found high over investigators' heads, behind ceiling tiles. in the early-morning hours, police storm a super 8 motel to arrest 24-year-old lab tech raymond clark on murder one. reports tonight clark so desperate to hide the murder he allegedly broke bones and mangled le's body to make it fit

in a 24-inch wall space. cops say no. cause of death, le manually strangled to death. keycard swipes placing clark at the crime scene before and after le last seen alive revealing he's in and out of the lab no less than ten times. tonight we learn even using the dead girl's security swipe card. as we go to air, we also learn clark's free to roam various yale buildings. his security keycard still in tact even after police target him. in the last hours cops seize raymond clark's father's car. was this brutal and senseless murder over laboratory mice cages? with a community and a university reeling, a family grieving, a young groom left at the altar with a broken heart, tonight, we want justice for 24-year-old bride to be, annie le.

"the new york post" reporting through an unnamed source accused murderer raymond clark allegedly crushed yale garage student annie le's body and broke her bones to fit her into a wall opening the size of a computer monitor. the paper saying the murderer would have had to maneuver annie's body around pipes. the source telling "the new york post" in clark's case to cover his tracks after le was killed clark allegedly accidentally tripped a fire alarm. new haven police deny any bones were broken, crushed or mutilated, saying the report is incorrect. this as raymond clark is not talking to investigators in jail. yale university now saying that clark's i.d. card was still active until he was arrested. clark's card allowing him access to campus buildings, even though

he had earlier been named a person of interest. good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. bombshell tonight. after girlfriend turned stepmother misty croslin's brother thrown behind bars in a gun charge, a break in a case. in a late night jailhouse interrogation we learn the brother finally confesses he goes to haleigh's house the night she goes missing. pounds on the door repeatedly. nobody home. >> i just got home from work. my 5-year-old daughter is gone. >> 3:00 in the morning, i got up and i got up because i had to use the bathroom but i didn't make it to the bathroom. i seen the kitchen light on, and i walked in the kitchen and the back door is wide open. >> police sources confirm step mom/babysitter misty croslin's brother told cops he went to haleigh's home around 10:00 p.m. the night the child went missing

and it appeared nobody was home. >> on my left is the bed where misty croslin was sleeping. here on the right we have the bed where little haleigh was sleeping, and you can see it's all about 3 1/2 feet from each other, and this is right where misty said she got up and had to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night. >> tommy croslin told detectives ronald cummings asked him to go to the home to look for misty croslin. when he arrived at the home the lights were all off own no sounds were coming from inside the home. >> people think i had something to do with it. if i had something to do with it, knew where she was, we wouldn't be sitting here today. >> everything she says is crazy. >> is there any possibility that she left the home that evening and hasn't told you? >> if there is a possibility of it, i don't know anything about it. >> straight out to t.j. hart program news director at wsky 97.3.

t.j., what can you tell us? this is a huge bombshell in the case. >> it is. detective at the putnam county sheriff's office said tommy received a call from ronald cummings. >> back it up. back it up. back it up. tommy is misty croslin's, the girlfriend turned stepmother's brother. the brother has been taken into custody over some argument with neighbors over a gun. so he's behind bars on a $50,000 bond. let me just tell you this, t.j. hart, you don't get a $50,000 bond on a gun charge. they are clearly keeping him behind bars hoping he'll talk about haleigh. go ahead. >> purposefully they are and admitted to such. now what had happened on that night, tommy tells the detectives with the putnam county sheriff's office that ronald had called him from work stating he wanted tommy to go down and check on the trailer.

he had not been able to reach misty since they had a fight on the telephone earlier that evening. this is about the 10:00 hour. he tells police he banged on the door and got no answer. he looked inside through the windows, saw no lights, no television, did not hear a sound. it was quiet. according to police he stopped just short of saying no one was at home. all the family members involved in this situation were told of tommy's comments an that night. putnam county authorities thought it was a bit strange with all the hustle and bustle and confusion during the draining of a pond over the weekend that people had been doing all the finger pointing at misty, tommy, ronald at all, each one chose to keep that part quiet when they were talking to the media, after so much of the dirty laundry, so to say, got played out in the press earlier. it's making law enforcement suspicious of it all. >> to marlaina schiavo.

we've shown repeatedly you in the home. now, it's a trailer, okay? do we have marlaina? marlaina schiavo, are you with me? >> i can hear you. >> marlaina, you saw the front door with the brother's banging on the door, 10:00 at night. is there any way, anybody, even if they had just gone to sleep, she says she laid down on the bed sometime around 10:00, wouldn't hear that? i mean, it's a trailer, marlaina. >> there's no way she wouldn't have heard that. nancy, that front door is all but ten feet from the bedroom where misty was sleeping with haleigh and junior that night. so if someone is knocking on the door, there's no way she couldn't have heard that whatsoever. the fact the lights were out, nancy, and there was no tv on, that didn't make any sense either. >> to art harris, investigative journalist at www.artharris.com, art, you've been down there for months on end. what did you learn? >> nancy, i can tell you that door marlaina is talking about

has double-pane glass. you can see right in there. any glimmer from a tv set, misty said the kids were watching two movies, junior in the living room just a few feet from the door. her stepdaughter, haleigh, in the bedroom. somebody would have seen a light. it was not on. >> art, let me ask you a question. you remember the door that misty croslin says was left -- she found propped open with a cinderblock. if you're at the front door, how far away are you from that door that was allegedly propped open? >> well, it's right, you know, very close, nancy. >> is it on the back or the side? >> it's a side and then there's a front door. so it's probably about, oh, 20 feet. >> so that door is on the side? >> it's my understanding. it's on the side. there's a little ramp that goes up to it. >> okay. tonight, misty croslin's brother behind bars on a gun charge now confessing he was at the home the night haleigh goes missing.

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trying to do everything to find her, you know, answer any questions i have to because i know i didn't do anything to that little girl. i would never hurt her. i mean, they love me. they love me. they look at me like their mom, you know? if you ask little junior, he'll tell you. you know, they talk lovely about me and i'm so good to them kids. >> i pulled into the yard. the front door was wide open. she was standing in it. i asked her what she was doing up. she told me the back door was wide open and haleigh was gone. i told her to call 911. >> show you how both doors close automatically, so -- i'm also going to show you the lock. the lock is three feet from the floor. we know that's about as tall as haleigh stands. >> i did take a polygraph. >> and you passed it in.

>> i mean, my understanding is that i passed it. >> what is her story about what happened that night? >> same thing that she's telling police and whoever that she went to bed -- she put haleigh to put, done some laundry, went to bed and woke up to the door propped open. >> to you believe misty was, indeed, home and she's been telling the truth? >> yeah, i believe she's telling the truth. >> we're seven months in to what could potentially be a homicide, a child homicide case. we know it's a kidnapping case and we are just now learning the truth about the night little haleigh goes missing? back to art harris, seven months, art harris. this brother has sat on his thumb and it takes cops putting him in jail on a legitimate gun charge before he finally says, i went to the home that night and nobody was home? >> nancy, the big question that investigators want to know is why did he hang on to this information and why, also, did

people in the family not reveal it as well? presumably he has told some other people, i'm told, by investigators, and they want to know who's been covering up? >> out to a special guest joining us tonight. exclusively out of jacksonville. it's teresa neves, this is haleigh's paternal grandmother. thank you for being with us. >> thank you, miss nancy. >> ms. neves, all along you have stated you believed misty croslin. now that you hear this, what do you think? >> i'm going to tell you, miss nancy, i have stated all along and i will continue to state that my grandchildren love misty and that misty loved my grandchildren. and this statement by tommy croslin, to me, doesn't hold any water. i'm sorry, but -- >> why? >> why wait seven months? why say that he -- you know, if you went down there, my personal

opinion, if i went there and knocked and everything was off, i would think they were sleeping. >> ms. neves, you've been in the trailer just like we have been and somebody pounding on the front door, as close as her bed was to the front door, you would hear it? it's ten feet away. >> this is true. i tend to think that she was very exhausted and -- >> you can't have it both ways. you can't say they were asleep and, yes, she would have heard it. >> no, i am trying to say that i think the children would have been more likely to hear it. because i believe that because of the places she had been prior to that and the fact that she had been up all night with a conversation with ronald -- >> it was just 10:00, and her own statement is that around or a little after 10:00 is when she laid down. >> no, i'm talking about the night before, miss nancy. she was up all night the night

before. >> i'm talking about that night. >> right. >> the night haleigh goes missing. according to her own statement she may have been awake at the time the brother came to the door. >> okay. >> if she were home. >> yes, ma'am. >> miss neves, i mean, this isn't ringing a red bell of alarm in your mind? >> if it was coming from somebody else, you know? i just don't know if this is a statement made in order to -- >> okay. understood. understood. let's unleash the lawyers. we are taking your calls life. eleanor dixon. peter odom, veteran defense attorney. alex sanchez, renowned defense attorney out of new york. eleanor, when you're trying to determine the voracity or truth of a witnesses statement, you look for things that corroborate that statement. you and i have had to go in front of juries many, many times. listen, dope dealers, robbers, murderers, they don't hang out

with nuns and priests and virgins. let's take a look. what do we have in corroboration, eleanor? we have that night, ronald cummings admittedly trying to reach misty croslin. she had been gone for three days, a-wol, partying three days. she comes home that night. they get in a huge, big fight. he has to go to work. by his own admission he calls, he calls, he calls, he calls. she won't pick up. he's calling all of her family. that corroborates what the brother's saying, that ronald called him and said i can't get her on the phone, please go to the house and check on her. >> you're exactly right, nancy. what else helps look at it from the state's perspective is misty's timeline doesn't make sense and her story changes. the ring of truth is somebody went there and she wasn't home when they knocked. as washington continues the debate

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what time did she go to bed? >> approximately 10:30, 11:00. >> 10:30, 11:00. at that time was little haleigh in the bed asleep with the brother? >> yes. >> and they all slept together if the same bed, correct? >> yes. >> right beside me on my left is the bed where misty croslin was sleeping and here on the right we have the bed where little haleigh was sleeping. >> for somebody to walk in a house and pick up a child, lay them beside another person is just ridiculous. >> straight back to haleigh's grandmother, teresa neves. ms. neves, you know i respect you and i care about you. >> i know that. >> you just heard your son, ronald cummings, who has apparently taken and passed a polygraph, he's answered questions from viewers, live on tv, we don't know what the questions are before they're called in. say that she went to bed between

10:30 and 11:00. which means she would have been awake when the brother came over there banging on the door. >> okay. >> which means one of them are lying. >> i -- miss nancy, i just want to clarify that misty came home on sunday evening and she and ronald were up all night sunday night until the evening of monday when she -- i would have -- you know, that she went to bed at 10:00. now, being that exhausted i think that maybe you could sleep through somebody beating on the door. i don't think the kids would have, but i don't know that they would have opened the door either. if she went to bed at 10:30

then, you know, i just don't know what the validity of the story is. >> he told me if i didn't take the test he wasn't going to look for haleigh. that's why i took the test because i didn't want no one to stop looking for haleigh. ññññ

3:00 in the morning i got up and i got up because i had to use the bathroom. i seen the kitchen light on, and i walked in the kitchen and the back door is wide open and i go in her room and she's gone. >> had nothing to do with her, man. she can't help that. she can't help she was the last one to see her. >> she didn't make no noise that night. i mean, i didn't hear anything at all. i was really exhausted that day, you know? i just wish they would have took me instead of her. what do they want with a little 5-year-old? >> could have been any one of us and our children. any one. nobody knows where there's a psycho, sicko.

nobody knows. >> she is scared of the dark. she does not go anywhere by herself. i did take a polygraph. i mean, my understanding is that i passed it. >> ronald, has the theory that misty left the home sometime during the night -- break in the case. croslin's brother behind bars on a minor gun charge. the bail is $50,000. you can't make the bail. a late night jailhouse interrogation he confesses he was at the home. haleigh cummings' home the night she goes missing and nobody else was there. he banged and banged and banged on the door. no answer. we're taking your calls. to minnesota. hi, sheryl. >> caller: hi, nancy, thanks for taking my call. >> thank you for calling, dear. what is your question? >> caller: i have two really quick questions, nancy. first of all, why didn't haleigh's father tell anyone he asked misty's brother to go and check on everything since they had an argument that night?

the second is if misty continues to fail polygraph tests why don't they issue a warrant for her arrest or at least take her in and do some interrogation? >> okay. to terry shoemaker, attorney for ronald cummings, haleigh's father. what does he have to say about this revelation? >> well, he's kind of shocked that misty's brother went over there that evening. he said all along he did call the house of hank jr. and asked him whether or not misty was there. he never said that he asked him to go look for her. that was about 9:00. i think hank jr.'s timeline is a little off. >> it sounds like everybody has a very, let me just say, shifting timeline, mr.

shoemaker. i'm not exactly sure that anybody knows who time it is in satsuma, florida, the night haleigh went missing. so he does say that he called the brother and asked him, was misty there? >> yeah. he didn't specifically call hank jr.'s cell phone. he called the house of hank jr. and his family and that was at -- >> did he talk to the brother? >> i don't know who he spoke with. i know when we were speaking with fdle the call came up and they questioned him about it and said he called to ask if misty was at the house at that time. >> marlaina, we have gotten in touch with misty's attorney. after he goes through the usual legal jargon, you know, he's trying to defend his client. basically it broils down it this. he didn't go in the house, did he? does he really know she wasn't home? did you get something else out of that statement?

>> that's pretty much what he said. he says his client denies she left the home that night. >> go ahead, dear. >> he also said that, you know, she may have slept through it. she may have ignored her brother. he has to get to the bottom of it. he hasn't spoken to misty much with this interview, with the tidbits he just gave us because she didn't tell him she was going to speak to police. they're all over the place down there, nancy. >> to gale in north carolina. hi, gale. >> caller: hi, nancy, how are you? >> i'm good, dear, what's your question? >> caller: i'm wondering if the fact if misty possibly left the house, has anybody questioned her friends or, like, people she hangs out with to see if they may know anything? >> good question. what about it, t.j. hart? >> they've been asking a lot of people a lot of questions, especially a circle of friends including one of the people who was questioned inside the putnam county jail over the last several days. she's being held there on other charges as well. none of her testimony has really amounted to anything as far as the police are saying right now. >> back to the lawyers. eleanor dixon, peter odom, alex sanchez.

peter odom, let's go to sheryl's second question. excuse me, gale's second question. now that she's flunked two polygraphs, gale wants to know why police don't go ahead and issue a warrant for her arrest? try, peter, give me your best, put it in a nutshell. >> polygraphs are unreliable. it would be unprofessional to arrest somebody on the base of a polygraph alone. >> okay, alex. just a couple of yes/nos. have you ever had one of your clients take a polygraph? >> yes, i have. >> because you believe polygraphs do work? >> i was interested in seeing what defendant had to say. he told me he was innocent and i decided to give a polygraph. >> instead of saying as mr. odom does, that they are unreliable, isn't it true under our constitution and under the law as it exists that a polygraph is not admissible in court unless both sides stipulate to admissibility prior to the poly

being taken. that didn't happen here. they need more than that. >> a polygraph is not a substitute for hard evidence in the case. a polygraph is not admissible in any court in the united states. therefore, if he failed a polygraph, as the questioner had called, you can't arrest somebody simply because they failed a polygraph and you can't haul them back into the police station to answer more questions based upon that. >> to thomas, private investigator, former nypd detective. thomas, what do you make of this? >> listen, i am sort of shocked by this whole thing. i'm shock the that ronald's cell phones weren't going through much more intently by the police to see how long the call was. did tommy call him back? what happened from then? i'm also shocked they haven't re-interviewed ronald at this

point in time to ask him the questions. i'd love to ask his attorney, would he go back in and talk to the police at this point in time because i'd like to know that. >> to dr. janet taylor, psychiatrist and physician, medical doctor. dr. taylor, thank you for being us. you're seeing a split between brother and sister. misty croslin's entire family is now distancing themselves from her. the mother and the father have both said she may not have been home that night. one of them says they think that she's holding back about what happened that night. what do you make of it? i find it very difficult to believe a family would unfairly target their own daughter and sister. >> well, clearly they've known her the longest. they know what she's capable of and also know her personality. i really trust what they're saying now and i think we have to, given this new information, have to investigate it thoroughly and look at her character that she really knows more than she's saying. >> art harris at www.artharris.com, art, what can you tell me about the pond that

was drained in last 48 hours? >> by water, by the crow flies it's about a mile from the trailer where haleigh disappeared from but it takes 35 minutes to drive around and over a bridge to get to. very remote, and, you know, it was accessible only by little dirt road. so they drained it. they had a tip. unclear if it came from the inmates they interviewed but that's what my sources say where it came from. they won't say who. they were looking for something they have not revealed. they didn't find anything of substance that was useful in the investigation, though, nancy. a lot of rumors. >> to dr. figan, medical examiner, camden county, new jersey. thank you for being with us. >> you're welcome. >> doctor, i want to bring it back to haleigh, a 5-year-old little girl. she has turner syndrome. if she was still alive and had been kidnapped by someone unfamiliar with that syndrome, she was sick so much, so many doctors appointments, so many illnesses because of the turner

syndrome. how would that affect her health with a stranger? >> everybody's different. i'm not sure exactly what her medical problems were. i know they can have kidney failure with turner syndrome and other things, but if you don't get the proper care you simply can die from the neglect. >> everyone, you are seeing home video of haleigh. this little girl has been gone for seven months. the tip line 888-277-8477. quickly, to our safety tip. your children's lives depend on it. childcare. the biggest decision, one of them you'll ever make. in fact, several childcare programs. make an appointment to observe the facilities. check the facility, ask questions. check to see if children are supervised all the time, even when they're napping. the facility should appear safe, clean, with employees washing their hands frequently, especially after changing diapers. the director of teachers, caregivers, must be certified.

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shocking reports emerge in the investigation of murdered yale grad student annie le. "new york post" reporting annie's bones were allegedly broken by raymond clark so they could fit into a wall opening the size of a computer monitor. >> you'd be surprised what you could fit a body into. she is rather petite. under five foot. less than 100 pounds. you just keep pushing and pushing until it fits. >> an unnamed source telling "the new york post" annie le was so smashed up you couldn't recognize her. new haven police deny annie's body was broken, squashed, or mutilated, saying the report is incorrect. yale university says until he

was arrested lab tech raymond clark had access to the lab and campus building despite being named a person of interest, clark's card was still activated. accused murderer raymond clark not talking behind bars. new haven police chief saying the motive of annie le's murder may never be discovered. >> out to jean casarez, legal correspondent, "in session." jean, i know that you have read those reports as well, that in his desire to hide the murder he mangled her body, breaking bones in order to stuff it in about a two-foot-wide space. now, police are saying no, but those are the same police that said, no, he's not a suspect and

arrested him about two hours later. the same police that said, it's not a crime. that was the university police as well. we don't consider this a crime. there's no evidence of foul play, when the woman was dead. this is the same bunch that allowed him to have his key card for about five days after she goes missing to go in and out, in and out of any building he wants. so what are we supposed to believe? how can you fit a body, annie le's body, into an opening that small? >> it's a very good point. the point that you make. now, your producers confirmed throughout the day today that "the new york post" report was false in saying her bones were broken, that her body was mangled, it was mushed, put into a very small hole. the new haven police department issued a press release shortly before air saying "the new york post" report was false. "the new york post" reported a number of things today. that the opening was in a

bathroom, that it was very small. there was a metal plate over it. once you took that metal plate off that there were water pipes that were crisscrossed and that created a difficulty for putting the body. i think your producers have since heard five feet by five feet was the opening. >> we've heard multiple stories about the opening. dr. figan out of new jersey. how would you put a woman's body in a spot that is reportedly two by two if you don't mangle and break the bones? >> you can't put a square peg into a round hole. you have to make it hit. usually the shoulders are the widest part of the body and it has to be manipulated by fracturing or squeezing one way

or another to get into the opening. >> thomas kaplan with "the yale daily news." >> the attorney took an unusual step today in instructing the police to speak publicly about this and shoot down this report. we know there actually were a couple inaccuracies in "the new york post" report. the story also said raymond clark triggered the fire alarm, himself, accidentally. the police told us today on the record that the false alarm was not triggered by raymond clark and had nothing at all to do with the murder. >> just last week they suggested he did trigger it. to dave with "the hartford current." dave, they left the crime scene open for days. in fact, "the yale daily news" reporters, photographers, actually got down in the basement and looked around. so what's the truth? how big is the opening in which her body was hidden? >> it's about two feet, nancy. the problem, today, is her bones were not broken. she was stuffed into the tiny crawl space. it's in a -- behind a -- in a mechanical room near a bathroom. it took police five days to find her because they couldn't really bring the dogs down there initially because there are, my understanding, literally thousands of mice and rats down there and it was difficult for the dogs to do any searching, so it took -- until the body started decomposing for the dogs to be able to hit on the spot where she was found.

>> with me, dave from "the hartford current." to annmarie goodwin, neighbor of raymond clark. joining us exclusively tonight. thank you for being with us. ms. goodwin, what were your impressions of raymond clark? >> my impression when i first met him, he was just a regular neighbor like anybody else. as i got to know him, i quickly discovered, i just jogged it as a mental memory that he was controlling and i was going to stay away from him. the reason -- you want to know the reasons i said that, i guess, is, you know, he's just bossy over his girlfriend all the time, and i didn't like the way that he treated his animals. >> did you ever have any interaction with him?

>> yes, i did. i talked to him once about the way he spoke to my children. he swore and yelled at my children over a bag of garbage that was in our hallway, and i said to him, ray, if you have a problem with one of my children, please address me. and he just gave me a blank stare. he didn't say, oh, i'm sorry, or who the hell do you think you're talking to? what he said was nothing, just stared at me. >> with me, annmarie goodwin, raymond clark's neighbor joining us exclusively tonight. ms. goodwin, i know you would see him on a day-to-day basis. what would you observe him doing? >> well, things like -- he was always in front of his girlfriend. his girlfriend always walked

behind him. he always had a blank stare on his face. i noticed that he would leave his dogs unattended all day long, two pit bulls in a very small apartment. sometimes caged, sometimes not. to me that's not some type of animal lover. i noticed that, i know reports were said that he had such care for the mice and there was some kind of argument, you know, that came the struggle over the murder. he totally left the dogs abuse the, crying and yelping all day long. the whole apartment smelled like feces, bad. you smelled it all the way down our hallway. >> what did you remember about him revving his car, bringing in junk food every night? >> they never, ever cooked. the girlfriend baked, but dinnertime, wendy's, pizza, taco bell, chinese, constantly. she'd always clean the snow off the car. she'd always be the one warming up the car. >> wait, he would send her outside to warm up the car? >> oh, every day, yep. the winter months, clean off the snow, clean off the ice. he dropped his keys one time, she automatically bent over to pick them up. we placed leah's sofa in this glass box...

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straight back out to the neighbor of suspect raymond clark. suspect in the murder of a beautiful yale graduate student annie le. ms. goodwin, i want you to clarify what you were just saying before we went to break. what were you saying about the girlfriend, the live-in, warming the car up for him? >> jennifer. >> right, jennifer. >> she was definitely in love with him, in awe with him. you could tell that. she was a nice girl. i really liked her. but she was, like, his doormat, if you would. she would do anything he said to do. he was bossing her around all the time. they went -- very scheduled people. went to work early.

came home. she would go outside to warm the car up in the morning. if it was snowing, she'd be cleaning the snow off. you know? it used to aggravate me. i'd be like, why is she with him? >> now, what about him and her made you think to yourself, why is she with him? >> because i thought she deserved better. i thought he was a control freak. >> why? >> because the way he treated her. >> well, it's interesting that that is what many people that worked with him say. in fact, after le's body discovered, yale then issues an edict saying there'll be zero tolerance for misbehavior and harassment in the workplace. that's a day late and a dollar short, but you got those vibes from being his neighbor? >> absolutely. >> thinking back on it, ms. goodwin, was there anything unusual, other than selfish behavior, that you saw about him?

or did he just blend in? >> i think that he was the average american kid probably in high school that just had a -- something on his shoulder, you know? >> with me is annmarie goodwin, a neighbor of raymond clark. ms. goodwin, thank you for being with us. everyone, stop. let's remember, army specialist. thomas lyons. 20. killed iraq. awarded bronze star, purple heart. combat action badge. a boy scout. loved sports. dreamed of being a cop. leaves behind mom, jina, step dad, five sisters, including twin kimberly. four brothers. widow. also serves in the army. and baby boy eric. thomas lyons, american hero. thanks to our guests, but especially you for being with us. i'll see you tomorrow night. 8:00 sharp. until then, good night, friend.

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