what is the most provocative entertainment news on television. it's show biz tonight. stay tuned. tomorrow morning, make sure to watch morning express with me, robin meade. right now on "show biz tonight." an incest shocker on oprah today. >> i began waking up with my pants around my ankles. >> the startling unthinkable claim today by former "one day at a time" child star mckenzie phillips that she had a long-time sexual relationship with her father? >> it became a con sense shl relationship over time. >> there's more. her claim that the famous mamas

and pappas father shot her up with drugs. what she says mick jagger did to her. show biz tonight with the wave of bombshells on oprah today. tonight, jon gosselin's strange sex appeal. why is it that so many women can't keep their hands off of jon. show biz tonight investigates this great mystery of the universe. plus, the startling pregnancy trend. why are so many big stars who are over 40 having babies. it's a must-see show biz special report as tv's most vo prok tif entertainment news show starts right now. hello, i'm a.j. hammer broadcasting to want and every night from new york city. tonight, an incest shocker on oprah today. so disturbing, it's hard to believe.

mckenzie phillips, the former child star of the '70s series, "one day at a time" told oprah she had a long-time sexual relationship with her father, famed musician john phillips, yes, that john phillips from the mamas and the pappas. her confessions didn't stop there. her claims about how mick jagger seduced her. what you're about to hear will blow you away. what happened on oprah made for big news breaking. >> i woke up that night from a blackout to find myself having sex with my own father. >> a jaw-dropping new admission from mckenzie phillips. on oprah today, phillips described in graphic detail what she says was an incestuous sexual relationship with her own father. legendary mamas and pappas musician john phillips. it became a consensual relationship over time. >> that's one of the secrets phillips is claiming on her brand new tell-all book, "high

on arrival." and phillips' revelations are nothing short of chilling. >> your father is supposed to protect you. not rape you. >> we all know mackenzie phillips as a teenage star from her role on the 1970s show, "one day at a time". >> everything is hip, hip horray because the juvenile jerk made the basketball team. >> mackenzie was already hollywood royalty. ♪ >> her father, john phillips, was the founder of the hip 1960s group the mamas and the pappas whose hits included "california dreaming". >> he was a man who live in a world where the rules didn't apply to him. he tried to pass that on to us kids. >> another thing that the father passed along to the kids was a heavy drug habit. >> the first time i did cocaine, i was 11. i was probably 16 or 17 and my

father shot me up for the first time. >> phillips says she doesn't recall exactly when her sexual relationship with her father began, but she told oprah today that she first noticed it when she was around 18. and woke up next to her father after blacking out doing drugs. >> i don't remember how it started or thankfully how it ended. was it the first time? had this happened before? i didn't know and i still don't. all i can say is that it was the first time i was aware of it. after the first experience, i wept to my father and i said, look, we need to talk about how you raped me. and my dad said, raped you? don't you mean when we made love? and in that moment, i thought, wow, i'm really on my own here. >> because of her drug problems, phillips was fired from her role on "one day at a time" one year

later. still, phillips claims the incestuous relationship with her father continued. >> i began waking up after drug-fueled event with my pants around my ankles. and my father sleeping beside me. it didn't happen every day. it didn't happen every week. but it certainly happened and it happened enough times -- >> many times. >> many times. >> but with all of the shocking things phillips is claiming, perhaps the most shocking is that she has no hard feelings toward her father who die in 2001. >> i don't hate him. i understand that he was very tortured. and sort of passed that torture down to me. >> why is she speaking out now? mackenzie phillips told oprah today it's because she's convinced she's not alone. >> someone needs to put a space on not only nonconsensual incest

but consensual incest. because i know it exists. i know it's happening in families and i can't be the only person who have lived through this. >> wow. and there's more. the blockbuster claims from mackenzie phillips about her late father john phillips keep on coming. joining me tonight is pat lalama, investigative journalists and in new york, the senior editor for "in touch weekly." mackenzie phillips claims on oprah, i have to tell you, i find astounding. i'm having a hard time wrapping my head around it. can you help me out here? >> i've covered so many heinous hollywood family stories, i'm fighting back tiers as i'm listening to the previous story. absolutely shocking. i think she's so incredibly damaged. let me tell you something, i remember covering her drug problem. but i remember distinctly thinking -- this isn't just a young woman who got caught up in recreational hollywood drugs and

sex and rock 'n' roll. it seemed deep seeded, layered, insidious to me. i always felt her way of self-destructing, that there was some big secret she was hiding. i swear to you, it was always inside of me. here it is. >> and, wow, throughout the years, we have heard so many shocking claims from so many celebrities and so many tell alls, but carolina, nothing like this. wow. >> these are bombshell stories she's telling right now. it's beyond my comprehension how someone can have a consensual incestuous relationship that goes on for more than ten years or so. i mean, for me, listening to the story, it was not only sickening but uncomfortable. it made me sad for her to go through all of the accounts and how even though she had the chance, she had that sex with her father the night before she was getting married, just the reasons why she kept on going back there. it really is very disturbing. >> along with mackenzie's bombshell claims.

oprah invited the bombshell of her own. she invited back valeri bert nell li to surprise mack even though they were doing the show at the same time she claims she was having sex with her father. someone wanted to be here today to support you? >> yes, she did. valeri bert nell li? valeri bert nell li. >> oh, my god. >> i, more than ever, look up to you now. you didn't know that, did you? you have no idea what you've been through. >> nobody had. >> i'm so happy you're here. >> it was a nice and comforting moment for mac there. valerie bertinelli told me she used drugs with mackenzie phillips. to hear of this from valerie.

"one day at a time" is still in reruns around the world. can you look at them the same way again? >> i never will. you never know what's going on inside a young person's life. yes, those were the days of reckless abandon, having a great time. there weren't any rules. i'm in tv, i'm a big star. but to find out now what was going on within the realm of her own biological family life is just mind blowing and heart breaking and she is going to be damaged one way or the other for the rest of her life. i only hope people can take her books and learn from it. other victims are saying, if she's telling, i'm going to go tell. we need help. >> i mentioned john phillips, her dad, passed away in 2001. besides valerie's reactions, oprah got a statement from mackenzie's step mother who was married to john phillips while she was allegedly having sex

with mac. she says this -- i'm stunned by her allegations about her father. i would often complain to john about her overly familiar attitude towards him and he would tell me, that was just her way. john was a good man and with the disease of alcohol and drug addiction, he was incapable, no matter how drunk or drugged he was, of having a sexual relationship with his own child. genevieve saying it couldn't have happened. we heard on "oprah" not feasible she could have made that up. >> at first, i thought blackouts. but the fact she owned up to having an abortion and going to her father and it may have led to a pregnancy. there's deep-seeded secret there is. >> hard to fathom. this is another question about her disgusting claim. why did she end her affair with her very own father? >> how did it finally stop? >> the shockers -- they don't stop there. she claims rolling stones rocker mick jagger locked her in a room and insisted on having sex with her. carolina, pat, you've got to

stay put. don't go anywhere. show biz tonight brings you more of today's shocking interviews on "oprah". so, moving on here. what's the deal with jon gosselin? why is it that so many women can't keep their hands off of him? is it his personality? is it his looks? tonight, "show biz tonight" is investigating this great unsolved mystery. jon gosselin's sex appeal. why are so many big stars over 40 having babies? it's a must-see show biz special report. show biz tonight on hln. time-out for the show biz news ticker. more stories making news right now. ever worn your clothes in the shower?

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show biz tonight is bringing you the story about the brightest stars doing whatever it takes to become a mother after 40. get ready for their inspiring stories of becoming a mom and loving it after 40. >> who says you can't have a kid if you're over 40? >> i'm 25 years, the number of women having baby over the age of 40 has doubled. that's huge gigantic change to everything. hollywood is no exception. >> "show biz tonight" and "more" magazine are revealing the women over 40 having kids and loving it. >> you're having twins? >> i'm having twins. >> wow. >> marsha cross was 44 when she announced her happy news on ellen back in 2006. >> are you thinking of names and everything yet? >> ellen actually is my sister's name is a favorite of mine. >> in 2007, she had twin girls

and named them -- well, not ellen but eden and savannah. it wasn't an easy road to mother hood for marsha and her husband. >> did invitro, it took them a long time to do. she was terrifically happy when it all happened. >> halle berry took a similar path to mother hood. at 41, she gave birth to daughter, nallah and said it was like a dream come true. "show biz" was with halle when she found out the good news. what mother hood means to you. >> unconditional love in my life to raising a human being who i hope will be someone who adds something wonderful to this world in which we live in. that's like the biggest challenge i can think of in life right now. >> berry didn't hide the fact that, yeah, it was hard to get pregnant after 40 but, it was totally worth it. if there's a mom with a message out there, it's salma hayek.

she says to all women, it's okay to wait to have a kid. >> salma hayek waited until she was 41 to have her first child. >> she makes the show biz tonight and "more" magazine list of fabulous people who had kids after 40. motherhood is not for everyone. it is for me, but there's no reason women should feel rushed to have a child. holly hunter didn't feel rushed to have her twins. she waited until she was 47. she's one of seven children herself. holly may be hollywood royalty, but the beauty of holly is that she's bound and determined to keep her kids out of the spotlight -- and she has. and nicole kidman's star spotlight is unavoidable. that's why she's right at the top of the show biz tonight tonight/"more" magazine list of women over 40. kidman and keith urban welcomed her first child together, sunday

rose. she was pregnant while shooting the epic film, "australia". >> she has two adopted children with her former husband, tom cruise. this is her first child biologically. she felt her heart just stretched. and i think again mothers totally relate to that. >> so, does nicole plan on having more? she tells me she isn't ruling it out. >> if i have more kids, that's beautiful. i would love to be able to, you know, get lost in that role. >> they're not the only fabulous women who have been kids after 40. geena davis, helen hunt, jennifer beals, maris can argue day, and beverly d angulo was 57. pick up this copy of "more" magazine on newsstands now. jon and kate gosselin have plenty of kids on their own. they're still ringing about these two. coming up, why jon is getting so many women.

is it his looks, charm? they're split. some of them think he's sexy. some of them -- not so much. we've got a call -- show biz on call from melissa in oregon. melissa said she knows why jon is dating around. >> i think kate is a wonderful mother and i think jon already knew how she was before he married her. what he got is what he got and they had eight children together. i think that he's going through a mid life crisis. >> maybe not quite a mid life crisis. he's in his early 30s. vanessa cohen on the show biz on call in florida, she blames kate for their breakup. >> i think we should really look at jon as the victim here. kate was, you know, kate is a good mother. but she was a horrible wife. she was very abusive to him. and she embarrassed him throughout the entire show. >> i appreciate your call, vanessa. i would love to hear from you. the show biz on call phone lines

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i woke up that night from a blackout to find myself having sex with my own father. >> now, on "show biz tonight," mackenzie phillips' incest shocker. the "one day at a time" star claims to have slept with her dad. how she finally ended the affair. and mackenzie with the shocking allegation about having sex with mick jagger. jon gosselin, superstud? money, fame, a houseful of kids, and a new report today that some women just can't get enough of him. tonight, a brand new "show biz tonight" investigation into jon's sexual mojo. and k-fed gets k-fit.

the dramatic new way britney spears' ex has revealed he's trying to lose the weight and get his sexy back. tv's most provocative entertainment news show continues right now. welcome back to "show biz tonight." 30 minutes past the hour. i'm a.j. hammer broadcasting tonight and every night from new york city. tonight, mackenzie phillips' explosive confessions to oprah today claiming she had sex with her own father. >> i began waking up after a drug filled event, yeah, with my pants around my ankles. >> i am telling you, mackenzie's startling sex confessions today will blow your mind. here are the big breaking developments. mackenzie who starred in the

sitcom "one day at a time" is the daughter of john phillips of the mamas and the pappas. she made the jaw-dropping claim that she was having sex with her famous father for over ten years. i'm telling you, these are unbelievably disturbing details. more big news breaking. mackenzie drops another bombshell that her incestuous relationship with her father ended as dramatically as it began. you have to got to hear how she said she finally ended their sick sexual affair. mackenzie reveals to oprah how mick jagger of all people locked her in a room to have sex with her. joining me in hollywood, pat lalama. and carolina, senior editor of "in touch weekly." claims of drug abuse, rape, and mackenzie saying she had sex with her father. the new book is called "high on

arrival." mackenzie read an excerpt on how she says the incest first started. you've got to watch this. >> i woke up that night from the blackout to find myself having sex with my own father. i don't remember how it started or thankfully how it ended. was this the first time? had this happened before? i didn't know. i still don't. all i can say is it was the first time i was aware of it. for a moment, i was in my body. in that horrible truth, and then i slipped back into a blackout. your father is supposed to protect you. your father is supposed to protect you -- not -- >> wow. the whole thing is just so sad. you can see her trembling throughout this entire interview. pat lalama, let's go to you first. are you surprised that mackenzie would not only reveal this, but go to such graphic detail about it? >> it's a hard call, a.j. a lot of times the celebrities

feel this is the can that is correctic -- cathartic moment. put it in a book. others can learn from this. why put it in a book? why not go help abused children. i'm so torn about using the medium for the message. she asked the public not to hate her father. that troubles me. how are we supposed to feel about the man. that tells me that she still has some work to do emotionally, i believe. >> i'm right there with you. when we step back from this, think about the magnitude of what we're talking about here. you have a teenage star from an iconic sitcom, "one day at a time" having sex with her legendary rock star dad from the mamas and the pappas and mackenzie claims the incest was consensual and was going on when she was between 18 and 29 years old. what made mackenzie put an end to the sick sexual relationship

she had with her dad? that answer is just as shocking. watch what she told oprah today. >> i came up pregnant. i did not know who the father was. the implication, the reality of that -- i had an abortion. and i never let him touch me again. >> you never let your father touch you? >> never. >> because you didn't know if the father was your father? >> that's correct. i didn't know. >> did you tell your father, i became pregnant and -- >> he paid for the abortion. >> did you tell him that this might be your child? >> well, he knew. he knew it might be his child. >> holy mowly. i'm listening to this and i don't believe it. it's just so sad. carolina, can you wrap your head around why it took mackenzie so long to end what was a disgusting situation? >> this is a gruesome account and in detail. hard to wrap your head around anything that's going on or anything that she's saying right

now. the only kind of logic i can put behind this is at times abused children tend to identify or they tend to keep a relationship going on with their abuser. she was not a child, between the ages of 18 to 29 years old when this happened. it's bizarre and it's hard to wrap my head around this as a full story. >> what do you think about that? it's hard for us to understand not being in her shoes or anyone in the shoes of that situation. why did it take so long to end something that's clearly wrong. we're not being judgmental. >> it's hard to understand it. i have a bit of a clue even though i'm not a psychologist. no such thing as consensual incest. he may not have been holding a gun to her head, but the abuse of authority, the abuse of power is just as strikingly powerful over her mind, over her psychologically. you can't get out from under it. if you talk to a psychologist, i'm sure you folks will do something down the road on this, they will tell you she in her

own mind couldn't get out from under it. the authority, the abuse of authority are the words i can't even tell you about. this is what was happening to her psychologically. it wasn't consensual. she didn't realize it. she may have thought she was agreeing to it. but her mind was not capable of saying this is wrong. my dad shouldn't be doing it. therefore, i'm going to stop. >> you're making a great point. having a hard time getting past that word consensual all day. that's what mackenzie claims. a big bombshell that mackenzie made. a stunning revelation to oprah. in the private moment, one of her bigtime parties that we had going on in new york city, mick jagger locked her in a room to have sex with her at a moment that her dad may have walked out to get mayonnaise for a sandwich she was having. here's how she explained it on "oprah". >> my father walks out, turns around, locks the door and says, i've been waiting for this since you were 10 years old.

there's no pedofilia. that's not whate ear going on here. and he seduced me. and my dad comes back and -- that's my daughter in there. let her out! and we just -- we ignored him. it's a dubious distinction having had sex with mick jagger. come on -- >> carolina, it seems like that didn't bother her -- something she almost seemed proud of, groupy-like. >> like she was relish telled the story, it was a dubious distinction. i don't know about anyone out there. but any guy who's going to take advantage of a man's daughter that's his friend, i don't think he would be okay. even if she called her dad and he asked did mick take care of her. like it's another notch on the bed post. is this the proper place to tell the accounts on "oprah." she should be in a therapist office working through some of the past? >> she should be in therapy for

all of this. mackenzie -- this goes back to something we touched upon. she told oprah she compared it to stockholm syndrome. a prisoner becomes able to trust her captor. and she claims her dad shot her up with drugs when she was 14 years old. mackenzie said she eventually forgave her father for all of this when she was on his deathbed in 2001. but, pat, are you surprised that she could forgive him at all? that's shocking to me. >> you know what, if you covered enough child abuse cases as i have in the years i've been a reporter, you will see children in family court forgive their parents for some of the most heinous, unbelievable acts against them. there's an nature -- a biological nature to say, it's my blood. if there's something wrong with them, is there something wrong with me? at the same time, modern psychologists will say you don't have to love your parents when they do bad things to you. she needs to continue to get help. i hope she is. >> we do too.

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father of eight a sexy man? a lot of women out there think jon gosselin is a catch, a stud muffin. a ten out of ten. let's take a look now at this bad boy in action. >> stop that. stop that. >> okay, it's kevin federline. we learn today that the ex-husband of britney spears who, well, put on more than a few pounds is doing what any young dad would do, he's joining the reality show, "celebrity fit club," of course. good move or train wreck waiting to happen? meghan alexander, the correspondent for "inside edition." and suzanne ron simos of "star" magazine. the burning question that was raised today. why do women find jon gosselin sexy? what is the secret?

the je ne sais quoi that drives it women mad? kate gosselin and he has a girlfriend ten years younger. suzanne, please, explain it to me. is jon gosselin sexy? >> we know, it's not his six pack, but women tend to find him sexy. he's a smooth talker. he goes in, tells the women that he's going to be with that they'll be with him forever. he's going to love them forever. and they believe it. >> this is what some of the women claim wooed them said he's a fast mover. kate told show biz tonight that she lost her head with john and she told me just how she got swept away the first time they met. let's watch this. >> i thought it was a little fast how he invite med to dinner, to a party. and then we held hands and kiss in the car. >> that was on the first night? >> yeah. >> you kissed on the first

night. >> unfortunately, yes. >> fast mover indeed. meghan, i got to ask you -- from what we're hearing from jon gosselin, do you get how women everywhere could be totally and utterly attracted to this dude? >> some of these women are still in love with the original jon gosselin that america fell in love with. he was a good father, loved his eight kids. that image is slipping away. he carries it sympathy vote well. the women are not so much in love with jon gosselin but they are in love with the attention dating jon gosselin brings them. >> a lot of people are talking about this. the facebook tonight facebook page was in full debate mode. women were firing off comments on oufr wall left and right. no one could agree on one simple question -- is jon gosselin sexy? let me read some of what people are writing -- sherry h. says, heck yes. he does have really pretty asian eyes and he likes kids and dogs. he had some money and he was offlimits for a while. so what's not to like.

>> susan agrees. she says, he was way fun. just because he was treated so wrong by by that b, it makes me want to just love on him and show him how it could really be. the other side, the haters checking in. lisa l. writing, he doesn't appeal to me. short dorks flashing money just don't do it. >> and in agreement, i don't think he is good looking and who wants to date a guy with eight kids? any of the comments sway you to the other side of how you may feel? >> absolutely not. >> jon is still the guy who manages to have all of the eight kids, run around, have his life. have his bachelor ways on the side. have these girls. i'm just astounded that women find him sexy. it's amazing. >> you didn't come here gushing about him or anything. all right. let's move on to the other big divorce dad news -- kevin federline wants to move weight. the now much heavier ex-husband of britney spears has been the

butt of a lot of jokes because of a big weight gain. today we learned k-fed is going to join vh-1's "celebrity fit club" so he can get back down to the dancing body. is it a good idea or a train wreck waiting to happen? >> a complete train wreck. i don't doubt it for one minute that he packed on those pounds to get on a show. this is the same guy that tried to be a rapper, tried to launch a career with an actor. he's been riding britney spears' coat tails as much as he could. i think the only way the show could be remotely interesting is if britney spears shows up. you know they thought about that. >> k-fed's former girlfriend, shar jackson, the mother of two of k-fed's kids is going to join the show as well. is it too cynical to suggest that meghan has brought up, that perhaps kevin put on all of this weight so he could get offered a job like this? i think he needs to work. >> he hasn't been working out either. he put this weight on because all he does is go to clubs, get

paid to show up, and just parties nonstop. he's drinking, eating, and he's loving it. being on the show is going to be the best thing that could happen to his career. >> good luck to you, k-fed. i know there's a lot of pressure to stay thin and maybe the show will add to the pressure for you. thank you, guys. it is time now for our "show biz tonight" question of the day. ellen degeneres defends herself. can she ever fill paula abdul's shoes on "american idol." please write us or e-mail us at show disease business disease tonight@cnn.com. whoopi goldberg facing off with none other than suzanne somers over suzanne's shocking patrick swayze's comment. we know patrick lost his battle with cancer. suzanne blamed chemotherapy and not the cancer for taking patrick so soon. according to a columnist for the toronto national post, suzanne said they took this beautiful man and they basically put poison in him.

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thank you very much and welcome back to "showbiz tonight." john travolta has broken his silence for the first time about his son's life and tragic sudden death. his son, jett died after suffering a seizure back in the baja mas. two officials allegedly tried to get the travoltas to pay them to keep documents about jett's death a secret. travolta testified today and said pubically for the very first time that jett had autism.

travolta testified about the frantic moments on the morning of jett's death. john's wife was also in court today for what has to have been such painful testimony. this is the first time the travoltas have been back in the baja mas since jett's death. and howard k. stern now facing 11 felony charges in connection with her death. howard and two doctors set to stand trial for giving her a

laundry list of drugs. shocking court documents reveal that anna nicole and one of her doctors may have had a romantic relationship. she died in february of 2007 of an apparent prescription drug overdose. we asked you to vote on our "showbiz tonight" question of the day and moments ago we got the final results. john and kate have they become a laughing stock. 95% of you said yes. 5% no. some of the e-mailsing, one from diana. jennifer from florida -- emily from illinois -- and that is it for "showbiz tonight." thanks for watching. you can catch "showbiz tonight" on the 11s. 11:00 p.m. eastern and pacific 11:00 p.m. eastern and pacific and in the morning.

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tonight, is this the face of a killer? seismic developments in the >> the chain smoking teenager. the last person to see this girl alive apparently got in an argument with her father. this comes just days after misty's own brother threw her under the bus claiming misty was not home. what happened that night? does misty know more than she has told the cops? and a race against times. are these animals destined for

slaughter? we will debate it. you can save them. why is our government forcing these horses off their lands? >> also breaking news in the anna nicole smith case. prosecutors planning to throw the book. that word came from defense attorneys. smith was prime ministered sedatives, methadone and painkillers and stern has been accused of aiding and abetting smith's drug habit. now he could be facing 11 felony counts. plus drug, sex, rock and roll and incest? makenzie phillips claims she was raped. as she slipped deeper into addiction, this alleged incest became consentual. why is she coming out with these shocking claims now? "issues" starts now.

the adorable 5-year-old child vanished in february. she and her little brother had been left in the care of dad's girlfriend misty. now it is misty on the hot seat. the atlanta sental reporting she failed a second lie deck tore test measurably. here is misty's story about what went down. >> i woke up and she was gone and the back door was wide open. >> were you in the same bed? >> no she was in her bed and i

was in mine. >> let me talk to your wife. let me get some information from her. >> do these words reveal something amiss? misty has taken off to parts unknown. all this is phone records reveal that hayly's dad tried to call misty 20 times on the night that little hailey disappeared. tonight's big issue, keeping dark secrets. does she know more than she has been saying, how has a 17-year-old managed to keep such a deep, dark secret.

if misty croslin cummings does indeed know more than she's saying, how has a 17-year-old managed to keep such a deep, dark secret? straight out to my fantastic panel. tanya acker, attorney and blogger for the huffington post. brenda wade, a clinical psychologist as well as art harris, investigative journalist. art's website, artharris.com, has become the source of record for the latest developments in the haleigh cummings case. art, what is the very latest? >> the latest i can tell you, jane, is that misty is on the run to parts unknown. she took off after a fight with ronald, her husband, and refuge, who has been her big defender, but he threw her clothes out last -- several days ago, and she ran out, kicked her out of the trailer they were living in. he then has a change of heart, chases her down, apologizes, brings her back, and then the next day, she gets in a car and takes off. >> tanya, is she allowed to do that? she hasn't been charged with anything, she has not been named a suspect.

>> she hasn't been charged with anything, she is not yet a suspect. we don't know if she will be named a suspect. so she hasn't done anything wrong but it does raise some interesting questions about why you would flee in the midst of this very critical investigation where she is at the very least somebody who, having seen -- been the last person to see haleigh alive, she should have probably stuck around. >> yeah. you have to wonder why did she leave. the timeline of the night that haleigh vanished doesn't make any sense, people. haleigh's great grandmother, annette sykes, says she saw haleigh about 7:30 that night. misty claims she put haleigh to bed at about 8:00 that night. we just heard her say it. misty's brother, hank croslin, who is now in jail on an unrelated charge, is telling cops that ron cummings asked him to go by the house where misty was and check on misty, haleigh and little ron jr. that night. hank says he did that at 9:45 p.m. and nobody was home. law enforcement sources say phone records show that ron tried unsuccessfully to reach misty 20 times over the course of the evening. but ron's lawyer says that ron did not ask hank to go check up on misty.

ron's lawyer claims ron and misty had been in touch during the evening. the lawyer says ron called hank's house at around 9:00 p.m. just to see if misty was there. well, here's what i don't understand, art harris. if ron had been in touch with misty, why was he calling around looking for her? why do records show reportedly he tried unsuccessfully to call her 20 times? it just doesn't make sense. what do you know? >> i don't have any information that he was talking to her. in fact, my sources say that he did not speak with her after 8:30. they had a fight on the phone. he did not speak with her until 3:00 a.m., when he came home. so you have all those phone calls, you have cell phone towers that put him at work and you have other towers that are now being investigated along with misty's telephone to see if, in fact, hers was off or if, in fact, she made other calls. >> what i don't understand, what do you mean, they are now being investigated? the big question is, if she went out, where did she go, and who

else knows where she went? how is it possible they're just checking now on her phone records? >> well, they have her phone records but you know, there's a gps issue, there are some cell towers concentrated in one area of the county and then there are sketchy ones elsewhere. so right now, they're trying to figure out if, in fact, she had it off or what happened with her phone. and right now, jane, i can tell you that she is under a lot of pressure and my latest on their relationship is ron has told her don't come back. >> tonight's big issue, keeping dark secrets. listen to what misty, the teen bride of haleigh's dad, said on the "today" show back in march. >> why were there inconsistencies? why did you say one thing one time and one time, the other?

one thing the other? >> i don't know. >> but you know you did do that? >> yeah. >> and you're not sure why? >> no. >> that's an amazing interview for what it doesn't say. the six months since that appearance, misty has basically not changed or said anything new. here's the thing. let's assume hypothetically, brenda wade, misty has been harboring a dark secret all this time. if she's hiding something, she is stone-walling as effectively as a terrorist suspect. how is it possible for a teenager to pull off something that would require such sophistication and self-control? >> jane, i don't know if she's hiding anything or not. this family has so much dysfunction, so much, you know, bad communication, breakdowns, fights. now your clothes are in the street, you're in, you're out. there's so much confusion. one of the things i always remind myself when i look at misty is she is 17. your brain isn't finished until you're about 24, jane.

we've got a person with an immature brain and a lot of immaturity in other ways, left with two children. it's so confusing but there's one thing that jumps out at me which is that the brother who says misty wasn't at home is in jail on a felony charge, yet his mother believes him. i don't know, i don't think anybody in this family has any character. i don't know who to believe. what i do know is that it's very likely that misty was acting out and punishing ron because they had a fight on the phone, whether she shut off the phone or whether she left the house, that fight is what triggered whatever went on next. >> i can tell you -- >> go ahead, art. >> jane, i can tell you that misty, i have talked to her family, her grandmother, up in tennessee. they say misty didn't really have a chance. she grew up, you know, living out of cars. her parents had their own issues. she wasn't made to go to school. she had learning disabilities. and it's really sad to hear her describe misty coming home from school saying grandma, i can't

do this, will you help me, and then her grandmother sitting down and poring over her homework, this wonderful lady trying to summon what she remembered from school, unable to help her granddaughter. >> one thing i will say about secrets that i have learned covering crime, is that you tell a lie, you have to cover it with another lie. then you have to cover that lie with another lie. and the chance of other people getting involved and being involved increases, right? >> yes. absolutely, jane. there's no question. >> i think that -- >> so the idea that you could keep this secret forever is really unrealistic and what happens is at a certain point, it festers to the point where it's no longer sustainable and it explodes in your face. all right. more on this in just a moment. coming up, shocking claims through the daughter of a rock legend. it's the story that's going to make your head spin. then, how is it possible haleigh's dad, ron cummings, is holding up through all of this hell?

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a frantic father, out of his mind, as you can hear, with worry over his missing 5-year-old daughter. a girl with special medical needs. tonight, speculation swirling about whether haleigh's stepmom, misty, has been keeping a dark secret in the seven months since haleigh vanished. listen to what misty said in the days following little haleigh's disappearance. >> i was looking by the dirty clothes for the clothes that she was wearing earlier that day for school, and i found that shirt and i showed the detectives. if i was hiding something, why would i show the cops the shirt? >> art harris, investigative journalist, you have become the

source of all things cummings. you have heard some reports of a comment that misty allegedly made. this is new information. >> that's right. that's right. >> tell us about it. >> it's on artharris.com. i interviewed the neighbor who says that her brother, tommy, stole his gun. tommy's in jail now. he told me, though that misty when she was over there using the phone told me quote, i'm damned tired taking care of someone else's children. then as she was leaving she turned to him and said will you please pray for me. he said misty, i don't really go to church that much but i'll see what i can do. >> brenda wade, what do you make of that comment if it's true? >> i don't think it's unusual for someone who's 17 caring for two young children to feel i'm tired of it, it's overwhelming. and this -- she's a girl. i can't even say young woman. this girl must have been overwhelmed. jane, i don't know what she's hiding or if she's hiding something but i feel a certain empathy for her because it seems

to me she's in a situation that is overwhelming, that is so dysfunctional with a guy who throws her out on the street. it just seems like mass confusion to me. and in their relationship, one thing is clear. they don't know how to talk anything out. everything gets acted out. so i have a lot of concerns about all of it. >> but you know -- go ahead, art. >> ironically, i have talked to a lot of her friends and family. ronald was probably the most stable relationship she's ever had. >> well, she's only 17 at the time of all this. so that doesn't really say a whole heck of a lot. i mean, tanya acker, what i could never get my mind around in this case is the fact that ron cummings married her. your child disappears on this girl's watch and you marry her? i can't understand that, no matter what explanations i've heard. >> his explanation -- >> there are so many things about this case that just don't make sense. i think brenda raises some very good points about the

dysfunction in this family. the mother who's now siding with the brother in jail. i guess has also reportedly said she's estranged from misty, not talking to her. the whole notion of this marriage that takes place after the disappearance, i think you're absolutely right, it raises serious questions. it's a little suspicious, given that married couples can't testify against one another so i think there's some reason, there might be some reason to question some of those motives. but i find it all very bizarre and very, very troubling. >> i asked ron that question, jane. and you know what he told me? >> what? >> over dinner several months ago, he said you keep your friends close and your enemies closer. >> whoa. >> he was afraid, he said, that if in fact misty took off to tennessee, wherever, he would never find out what happened to haleigh because she was the last one who was with her. >> now she's missing. where is she, art? >> i'm just told she is out of town, no one can find her. she was supposed to come back

and have a reunion with ronald on thursday but i'm now told that's off. >> art -- go ahead. >> i was going to say, the other point really that we sort of talk about the mystery of her disappearance and the strange timing of it and why it was really not very well thought out or a good idea, let's again remember that she is 17. this girl clearly does not have and has not exercised the best judgment. i think we should be careful about ascribing too many motivations -- >> the other thing -- >> always with these kinds of -- >> hold on, art. what are you saying? >> the pressure's on her. and takes off >> why is the pressure on her now? this has been going on for months. is it because they dredged the pond? >> they dredged the pond. her brother comes in and says that, you know, she wasn't home when he went over and banged on the door. i had a major, major gary bowling demonstrated to me how hard he banged. he banged on the table and i could hear it all the way over the phone. it was loud.

>> so that implies she was not at home at the time that haleigh disappeared? >> or she was so -- so, you know, in such a hard sleep from whatever she had been doing, that's what ron's mother believes, that she didn't wake up. and she claims through her lawyer that she was home. >> misty's whereabouts as well as the story she's told about what happened that night are now under intense scrutiny, obviously. a guy named greg with whom she reportedly had a revenge romance after a fight with ron says misty partied with him the weekend before. listen to this. >> right before she went back to him, she was with me and she was telling me that she left him because he's going to beat on her, whatever. they used to fight all the time. she came to me and we hung out, me and her friend, nene, we were just riding around. typical friday, saturday night, just riding around having fun. partying, getting high, you know. >> greg goes on to say he's sure he saw misty on sunday, the day before haleigh vanished. in fact, he thinks they talked on the phone on monday. is greg's testimony relevant here?

given the fact that drugs were allegedly involved, tanya acker? >> i think that look, we're going to have to look with great suspicion at any testimony, at any statements that are made in the context of either the person making them or the person about whom they are, where drugs are involved. i think that we need to take some of that with a grain of salt, really. >> that's the problem with the investigation, jane. law enforcement tells me that they have had such a tough time verifying stories, determining credibility. one of the officers told me, you know, art, some of these people, it's like trying to interview a rock. >> yeah. and try to figure out what's real, what's fantasy, what's made up. >> right. >> very difficult. excellent job, thank you, fantastic panel. coming up, shocking claims from former tv star from drug-crazed nights to having a sexual relationship with her dad? then, there's nothing more beautiful than witnessing a herd of wild horses but time's running out. we'll show you how you can help these horses. what can we do today to help you for your future?

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in tonight's spotlight, the clock is ticking for america's wild mustangs. they are a symbol of our freedom and the great american west. but the bureau of land management, dlm, keeps rounding them up and selling them off. right now as we speak, 57 stallions sit in pens at the base of a horse range where they once roamed free in wyoming and montana. the cloud foundation is fighting to keep these wild horses on public lands and to protect cloud, for example, a pale palomino stallion, and his herd. >> the noise from the trailer spooks cloud and the family bolts to freedom.

>> after a public uproar, the government freed cloud. but many of the other horses you see on that pbs show are going to be auctioned off in just days. where they go if they're not adopted is a huge controversy. here to talk about it is chantal westerman, who was the hollywood reporter at "good morning america" for 13 years and gave it all up to be an advocate for the animals. chantal, describe this dlm roundup of these horses. is it terrifying for the animals? >> it's devastating, jane. it's absolutely devastating. i went to the top of the mountain ridge which covers wyoming and montana and we were there as the horses, cloud's herd, would stand there very quietly and calmly around ponds and playing with each other, and out of the clear blue sky, literally, you hear that horrible pop, pop, pop, pop of a helicopter. the horses are absolutely petrified, absolutely terrified.

now, what happens is in a wild herd like this, they have bands or families that stay together and that means like there's a stallion, he has several mares, children, and they all stick together. but when they're frightened of something, they run, jane, and the helicopter, the purpose of the helicopter is to drive them down the range. now, if you can picture this, if you can imagine running down a mountain and they're at probably -- they are probably at a level of 8,000 feet and the helicopter drives them down to 3,000 so that the 5,000 altitude drop, horses running and for me, the most terrifying part was i would see mothers running alongside foals -- >> i want to jump in on that. the most heart-wrenching part of this roundup which is described as cruel is the baby horses, the foals, more than 140 animals

captured, approximately 15 were foals, three mare/foal pairs are up for adoption. supporters say these animals are going up for adoption but what they don't say is wild horses are not adoptable very often because guess what, people, they're wild. so it's almost impossible to turn them into a riding horse. so realistically, what i've heard is a lot of these animals end up in a downward spiral where they are ultimately sold for horse meat which means a horrific journey to the slaughter houses of mexico or canada. yes or no, chantal? >> well, i have to say yes and no. because i will tell you thanks to you and your intelligent audience who watches this and follows cloud's herd, cloud's herd -- >> i want to jump in. i want to say that i would like to help out these horses. you can go to the cloud foundation.org. the cloud foundation.org. there's an auction set up for the 26th of september. you can get involved and save

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breaking news in the anna nicole smith case. prosecutors planning to throw the book at smith's lawyer and boyfriend, howard k. stern. and that word came from defense attorneys. now he could be facing 11 felony counts. plus, drugs, sex, rock and roll and incest? former tv star mackenzie phillips claims she was raped by her musician father but she says as she slipped deeper into addiction, this alleged incestuous sex became consensual. he's been dead for eight years. why is she coming out with these shocking claims now? sickening secrets revealed in an explosive tell-all written by former tv star mackenzie phillips. people.com reports phillips said

she had sex with her own father. in her own memoir, the "one day at a time" writes at 19 on her wedding night she claims to have woken up from a drug-induced haze and was having sex with her dad, rock legend john phillips, who founded the mamas and papas. he died in 2001 so he cannot defend himself. but john's other daughter, chyna of wilson phillips fame says she believes her sister. she says her sister told her this years ago. mackenzie exposed all her dark secrets to the public today on "oprah." >> my father shot me up for the first time. mick jagger locks the door and says i've been waiting for this since you were 10 years old. >> wow. this is mind-boggling. the book's title, "high on arrival" is based on a song john dedicated to mackenzie. the chilling lyrics, she's just

14, there isn't much she hasn't seen. she always too high on arrival. as she spiraled out of control, mackenzie says the relationship became consensual. her dad even said let's move to fiji and live as a couple? mackenzie has a history of drug abuse that started in her teens. she has been in rehab. want to take a guess how many times? ten times, people. did her father's alleged abuse fuel her addiction? straight out to my fantastic expert panel. also joining us, dr. reef karim, addiction specialist and psychiatrist, and carlos diaz, correspondent from "extra." carlos, dare we ask what is the very latest? >> well, i tell you what, the very latest is the response you're getting from people and it really is split right down the middle between the people that you see online who are

writing now saying okay, do we need to know this information, is it transparent that she's trying to sell a book and then the other half of the people are saying you know what, you know, kudos to mackenzie for coming out and saying this, maybe what she's saying will help other people. it really is split right down the middle between those two opinions. >> yeah. and i keep going back and forth between those two opinions as i read more and more. i'm sure you do, too. in her book, mackenzie says of sex with dad, quote, there was a relationship that crossed the boundaries of love to break taboos, end quote. my father was not a man of boundaries. he was full of love and he was sick with drugs. i woke from a blackout to find myself having sex with my own father, end quote. she has said in the past, she looked up to her dad. listen to this. >> we have to remember that we are our children's role models, you know, and certainly, my role models, my role model was my father, who had hair down his back and was wearing a dress. you know. and said whatever turns you on. >> brenda wade, i honestly don't

know what to make of this. what concerns me is that the father is dead, he died eight years ago, so he cannot speak to defend himself. what do you make of it? >> you know, jane, i rarely see people come out with this kind of story just to sell books or just to make a name for themselves, because it's too shameful. it's very, very shameful and painful to think of having sexual intercourse with one's parent. people don't make that up randomly as a rule. and the thing that makes me believe that it's true is exactly what she just said. she said her dad had this belief that anything goes, anything's okay, and jane, you know as well as i know that when someone is addicted to drugs, the brain stops working properly. the judgment that we normally count on to keep boundaries, to keep relationships where they need to be between parents and

children, all those boundaries break down and anything could happen. >> i say over and over again, i have said it to you, brenda, i say it in my book, alcohol and drugs make you capable of things you would never, ever, ever be capable of sober. now, mackenzie phillips, mackenzie phillips also has a history of severe drug abuse, along with her dad, but she was kicked off the show, "one day at a time" because of her constant drug use. last year, we're just talking 2008, she was busted in the airport with cocaine and heroin. she told oprah about this arrest. listen. >> it was terrifying and the woman was like are you holding, are you holding, and i was like no, no, no. then finally she pointed down to my foot and i could see the baggie of drugs sticking out of the corner underneath my foot. and i, you know, at some point you have to give in and i said yeah, i am holding. i said but i'm somebody's mother, i'm somebody's mother, please don't bust me, please don't bust me. >> mackenzie says she is now sober. tmz reporting she will appear on vh 1's "celebrity rehab" as a mentor this season.

dr. reef karim, she's got a book, she's on "celebrity rehab" and she's now revealing these deep, dark secrets. connect the dots for us. >> yeah. you know, i'm split down the middle as well. on one side of it, you've got the entrepreneurial aspect of things and on the other side, you've got the sex, drugs, rock and roll lifestyle. where i thought brenda said it very well. when you're truly in the throes of addiction, all boundaries are completely thrown out the window. a family member who's supplying drugs is no longer a family member. it's a drug dealer. the role has completely changed. and research in the field of addiction shows that sexual abuse, emotional abuse, physical abuse and early drug use while the brain is still being developed as an adolescent completely changes one's coping skills, ability to deal with life, ability to set boundaries

later on in life. >> i want to jump in with tanya acker. you're the attorney and i first thought whoa, wow, this is a pretty libelous statement and a second later i realized the person who is being accused of this has passed away. so what's the legality of that, tanya? >> first off, the fact that he's dead suggests that he no longer can prosecute this causes action. his estate would have to prosecute it, but it seems that there might not be anybody who would be willing to do that. i mean, i don't know the mechanics of who his estate administrators are, but the fact that mackenzie's sister, chyna, is prepared to corroborate these

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howard k. stern in court today on additional charges related to anna nicole smith's death. we are going to discuss it but first, "top of the block" tonight. breaking developments in a brutal florida family murder. the man accused of cutting his family's throat and then fleeing, gone to haiti, is now in custody. he was booked last night and was served a warrant charge him with six counts of premeditated first degree murder.

he is slated to appear in a florida court tomorrow and then in a stunning twist, cops say jaycee dugard's alleged captor is not connected, not connected, to two other missing girl cases. this comes after human bones were discovered on phillip garrido's property. that is tonight's "top of the block." new charges today against anna nicole smith's boyfriend and lawyer. did howard k. stern keep her or help keep her stocked with the dozens of meds that killed her? he and two of anna nicole's doctors are accused of basically enabling her to death. they have all pleaded not guilty. the newest allegation against stern is that he scored opiates for anna nicole using aliases. court docs say 44 medications were prescribed for her under a number of names, including stern's. 44 medications.

was this anna getting whatever she wanted because she was a celebrity and a potent sex symbol? anna nicole died in 2007, just months after her son, daniel, died. stern says daniel's death started her on a very dark road. >> from the day that daniel died, anna honestly was never the same. i mean, i would say that physically, she died last week but in a lot of ways, emotionally, she died when daniel died. >> were the people closest to anna more concerned with feeding her addiction than getting her real help? could they even help her? she was an adult, after all. let me welcome back my fantastic panel. also joining us, mike walters, news manager at tmz. mike, what is the very latest? >> well, you said it, jane. howard was charged with five more felonies. he was in court today, he pled not guilty, but i think you got to get into what they are to explain what happened here. and that is four counts of the

fraudulent prescriptions. in these documents, it goes into really good detail about how he used his name, his name spelled s-t-e-a-and it has no "a" in it to score drugs and taking it to anna nicole in the bahamas and studio city but the one that sticks in my head is the fifth one, that is administering, prescribing or dispensing narcotics or controlled substance to an addict and the interesting thing is remember we talked about it yesterday, there's a really gruesome thing inside the documents that talks about taking medication, crushing it up, heating it up into liquid and injecting it into anna nicole. him and eroshevich. that's what i see when i look at it. but i got to say really quickly, the zinger today in court was on the way out, his attorney decides to stop and do a press conference and you guess what this guy says. he says anna nicole smith wasn't an addict. and tries to call the charges b.s. now, whether the charges are b.s. or not, i dare anyone on this panel or --

>> whoa, whoa, whoa. who said that anna nicole is not an addict? >> howard's lawyer said that on the way out of the courtroom. we livestreamed it here on our website. it just happened on the way out. if that's your excuse that you tried to claim that anna nicole and that's your defense, wasn't an addict, i dare anybody to explain that to me. go ahead and roll the videotape of her in the clown outfit and face paint and all the times that we've seen her on red carpets and anything, and tell me, and then read the documents and tell me anna nicole smith didn't have a drug problem. you're crazy. >> yeah. and i have to say that stern has pleaded not guilty and his attorney wants all the charges dismissed and we are going to say that any time howard stern wants to come by and appear on "issues" and tell his side of the story, we are very, very, very happy to have him. stern denies all the accusations and says anna nicole was his world. that world included off the wall apparent seeming drug-induced

scenes like this. all right. >> this is worth money. >> why? >> now, i think that is pretty powerful evidence that at least anna nicole was high on something, at least at the time. now, if you ever saw her tv show, she also appears high at that time. brenda wade, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, can we assume that yes, it is a duck? >> it's a duck. it's a duck, jane, we all know that. the thing that i want people to take away, because addiction is rampant in america. you know that. and one of the things that's important is to know that there are ways to intervene and get people into treatment.

but if you're a pusher, your motivation is to keep making money off the person getting the drug. if you're the enabler, you've got your own motivations for crushing up drugs and injecting it into somebody's veins. but if you want to help someone, there are many, many, many fine services for doing an intervention. we have free 12-step programs in every church basement and synagogue basement all over the country. for god's sake, we need to address this. >> is it possible that howard k. stern was your classic enabler, co-dependent, who thought that he was doing what anna nicole wanted? >> absolutely. he believed that he was doing what she wanted. but the bottom -- the fact of the matter is that he enabled, he facilitated, and he conspired to ultimately lead to her death through criminal negligence. so yes. >> yeah. this -- >> i also think he had some motivation of his own here, jane. i don't think enablers are just doing what they think the other person wants. most enablers continue to enable because they're getting something, too. >> or they're in denial.

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this road of suggesting that he was somehow innocent and didn't know that she was an addict when by the same token he's being charged with using aliases to get her drugs and participating in her drug habit while she was pregnant, i just don't think that's going to go very far. so i don't think this is going to be a very fruitful line of defense for him. >> well, let's talk about the doctors who are involved. because he's not the only one charged. there are shocking new allegation that's anna nicole had sexual contact with her doctors. >> yes. >> court documents cite some really, and i mean really racy photos of anna nicole with her psychiatrist and neighbor dr. kristine eroshevich. now, these pictures apparently allegedly -- i have not seen them -- show the two naked and embracing in a bathtub two months before anna died. the documents also allege dr. sandeep kapoor had some kind of sexual contact with anna. there he is. tmz has this photo of her with a shirtless dr. kapoor.

the doctor's attorney, however, told "issues" no way, jose, my client is openly gay. so i've got to go back to mike walters on this. if he's openly gay, he's not having sexual contact probably with anna nicole. so let's talk a little bit about the other one, the female psychiatrist. >> well, yeah. i mean, the one thing in the documents that doesn't -- when this story came out in the news, in the media, they didn't really get into detail. i mean, in a bathtub with topless or something like that doesn't sound as bad. but there are several photos, and they are very racy. we're talking totally nude -- >> have you seen them? >> i have not seen them personally, but they are described in very specific detail. if you read the full documents, it goes into very specific detail as in fully nude on a bed, crotch area, open legs, stuff like that is in these documents. so they are very racy. and i have to go back to the fact that they're doctors. so again, this is an inappropriate relationship, whether they're playing and having fun or sandeep kapoor is

openly gay and he's nuzzling her neck at a nightclub. and you saw the photo. that was actually a gay pride parade they were at at the end of the night. but that doesn't matter. he's her doctor on paper. he's prescribing medication. and that's inappropriate either way. >> brenda wade, what are the rules for doctors and their patients? >> jane, you take the hippocratic oath, and in this case i think these doctors took the hypocrite's oath. >> that was a good one. >> the oath says you are to protect your patient, you are to help ever, hurt never. always do those kinds of things that empower and help people. in this case clearly the doctors aren't helping. they knew it. they were hurting her. and in terms of relationship, there's professional distance. it's not professional to nuzzle your patient's neck or -- >> i think we're going to have to leave it with that brilliant line. as they say, first do no harm. thank you, fabulous panel. remember, click on cnn.com/jane. preorder my book "i want." you're watching "issues" on hln. announcer: "it looks like nothing else on the road right now,"

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breaking news tonight. satsuma, florida. a 5-year-old little girl tucked into bed. five hours later she's gone. vanished. the back door propped wide open. daddy comes home from the night shift to find not a trace of little haleigh. bombshell tonight. a letter emerges in the search for haleigh outlining details of a party the night haleigh goes missing, a party fueled by drugs. at the party, misty croslin. with her, little haleigh. reports that night little haleigh accidentally ingests the

heavy-duty painkiller oxycontin and dies. we have the letter. this as new stepmom misty croslin skips town after a bitter fight with haleigh's father ronald cummings. croslin's brother behind bars on a gun charge, leading to another break. in a late-night jailhouse interrogation we learn the brother finally confesses he goes to haleigh's house the night she goes missing, pounds on the door repeatedly, nobody home. phone records confirming ronald cummings tries desperately to reach croslin that night, no answer. where was girlfriend turned stepmother misty croslin during those crucial hours when haleigh goes missing? investigators focusing on a heavily wooded area draining a local pond in connection with haleigh. as girlfriend turned stepmom misty croslin flunks another polygraph, tonight, where is haleigh?

>> okay, sir, let me talk to your wife. let me get some information from her. okay. can i talk to her? okay. >> how the [ bleep ] can you let my daughter get stole -- >> was haleigh cummings the vichlt a drug overdose? according to a letter allegedly from one of stepmom slash babysitter misty croslin's friends, haleigh died from an overdose of oxy kontin and then her body was thrown into a pond. >> i'll do anything to get her back. people think i had something to do with it. if i had something to do with it or knew where she was we wouldn't be sitting here today we would have her. >> the police claim he had were given a sworn affidavit by a friend of misty's that says misty, haleigh and a group of friends why wr partying at one of their friends' house the night of her disappearance. when haleigh overdosed the friends panicked shoved her body in a black bag and tossed her in a nearby pond. >> crystal, what do you make of the recent developments, the developments especially about

misty croslin flunking a polygraph? >> well, i thought all along that she had something to do with it. and this kind of just proves it. she was the last one to see our daughter, and her stories just don't add up. >> police say they are completely ignoring the letter and are denying any existence of this alleged sworn affidavit from misty's friend. reports are all of the friends have been cleared. >> she is still the most important witness in this case. she's the last person to see the children. she was with them. she's an important person to be spoken to, and law enforcement needs to go get her. >> and tonight live to connecticut and the sudden disappearance of a gorgeous young ivy league doctoral student just before she's set to walk down the aisle. the 24-year-old beauty last spotted on grainy surveillance video walking into a yale research building. a false fire alarm mysteriously goes off in the building. people rush out. annie le never seen again.

at nearly the exact hour le set to walk down the aisle, wedding dress on a hanger in the closet, flowers ordered, the girl's body found stuffed in a two-foot wall cable space there at yale's research building. in the early morning answers police storm a super 8 motel to arrest 24-year-old lab tech raymond clark on murder one. tonight, clark's alleged history of stalking, threatening, harassing women resurface's. his former girlfriend breaking her silence, revealing clark a control freak, during their relationship lashing out, dictating what she says, where she goes, even what she wears. we have the video. in the last hours investigators back at the crime scene, zeroing in on a basement washroom where mouse cages are cleaned. was this senseless murder over laboratory mice cages? and another twist. was suspect raymond clark fueled by steroids? >> a former girlfriend claims the man accused of killing a yale university grad student was extremely controlling. >> in a shocking interview with "good morning america" ray clark's ex-girlfriend was so scared of the yale lab tech, telling abc news clark would get

very angry, often "frighten me. he'd get this little look in his and another twist. was suspect raymond clark fueled by steroids? >> a former girlfriend claims the man accused of killing a yale university grad student was extremely controlling. >> in a shocking interview with "good morning america" ray clark's ex-girlfriend was so scared of the yale lab tech, telling abc news clark would get very angry, often, frighten me. he'd get this little look in his eye, and sometimes it was just better to do what he said." >> he would frighten me. it escalated a lot after -- i mean, with the controlling issue it escalated from there. >> jessica dell rocco tells abc's "good morning america" clark told her what clothes she could wear and who she could have as friends.

del rocco says clark sometimes got so angry she was frightened. >> in a matter of weeks jessica says clark went from the perfect boyfriend to becoming manipulative, controlling. >> it was anger, yelling. as the relationship progressed, like if things didn't go his way, then he'd make them go his way. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. bombshell tonight. was 5-year-old haleigh taken to a late-night party fueled by drugs where she ingested the heavy-duty painkiller oxycontin? >> i know i didn't do anything with -- to that lit l girl. i would never hurt her. i mean, they love me. i mean, they look at me like their mom. >> did haleigh cummings die from an overdose of oxycontin? a letter obtained allegedly from a friend of misty croslin claims that haleigh got her hands on the powerful narcotic while at a party with misty and her friends the night of the disappearance. >> now that you have been told, whether you accept it or not, that your wife has flunked a poly, have you asked her what

happened? >> i asked her, but that -- i don't get any answers from her. >> the letter states that cops were given a sworn affidavit from a friend of misty's, who claims everyone at the party "freaked out" when the toddler overdosed, then put haleigh in a black bag and threw her into a pond nearby. >> look at her body language. there are so many tells that she's not telling the truth. she's saying no when it's supposed to be in the affirmative. a lot of shoulder shrugging. the tears that don't look very genuine. it's very disturbing to watch. >> police are denying any friend has come forward making these allegations and are said to be completely ignoring the letter. all of misty's friends have reportedly been cleared, and there are still no suspects in the case. >> as we go to air, we have just heard from local police who say in fact they are not ignoring

this theory, that they have been vetting this theory along with several other theories about what has happened to little haleigh and that many points behind this letter are in fact credible and they are in fact investigating it. we are taking your calls live. first out to marlaina schiavo, our producer on the story. marlaina, what do you know about this letter? but most important, its contents. was there a party the night haleigh went missing? >> that's what this letter is saying, nancy. this letter came from a girl behind bars who is friends with misty, who's a party friend of misty's, who's saying that misty was with her that night -- or this letter's claiming misty, this girl and some other people were together that night and that haleigh was with them partying -- they were all partying and misty got -- excuse me, haleigh got her hands on oxycontin and ingested it and died and that's when this other friend at the party panicked, put haleigh allegedly in a bag, and threw her in a pond.

and that's what this letter is saying. >> now, if the letter is true, i am expected to believe that everybody at this so-called party has managed to keep their yaps shut for this long? that is the hard part for me. what about it, art harris at artharris.com? what can you tell me? you've been investigating this theory for weeks. >> well, nancy, investigators told me exclusively that this letter was legitimate. got a copy of it right here. and in fact, they are taking it seriously. they did confirm that they talked to this friend of misty's in jail, confronted her with this sworn affidavit of a witness, and that she is denying it, but she wrote her boyfriend in this letter saying don't you remember, we were together that night, as if she wants to make sure she has an alibi. >> to t.j. hart, program and news director wsky 97.3 fm, t.j., what do you make of this

theory? did such a party take place? has that much been confirmed? and this letter is from who to whom? >> i'm not going to mention names. it's from -- >> i don't care about the names. >> but the recipient was indeed her boyfriend. that has been verified. this boyfriend read this to several people over the phone. we had it scan-faxed to us. and that's how we got it. it is legitimate as far as where the letter came from and who it was sent to. now, the party, that has not been confirmed. however, you remember they talked about a pond. well, in that letter they also talked about the black bag being dropped in a pond at the mondex. well, that's exactly where a pond was drained over the weekend. "l" pond at the mondex. >> out to the lines, we are taking your calls live. kimberly in washington. hi, kimberly. >> caller: hi, nancy. so nice to finally talk with you. you're my hero, and i watch you

every night. >> kimberly, thank you. and thank you for calling in. what is your question, dear? >> caller: you know, i keep on thinking about little junior. he was allegedly there that night. i know early on in the investigation they said possibly he said there was a man there. i was wondering if police are still questioning him. >> let's go to a special guest joining us tonight, the grandmother of haleigh and of junior, teresa neves is with us. she has staumplgly supported misty croslin throughout. miss neves, thank you for being with us. what about junior? have police continued to question him? has he been questioned at all by police? >> he has been questioned, miss nancy. he gave them information the night -- or the morning that this happened. and they're not questioning him now. you know? >> yes. i understand. miss neves, at one point i recall that junior, the little brother, had stated that there

were other people in the home that evening. what do you recall about his statement? >> junior's initial statement to the law enforcement was that he saw a man in black, i believe, was what they said. >> yes. >> and then it changed, you know. but he didn't change it. other people changed it. >> yes. miss neves, what do you make of this letter? do you put any stock in it? >> nancy, i'm like you. i do not think that that many people, with a $70,000 reward, are going to sit at home and not say anything. i do not believe for one second that my granddaughter would take something like that because of the taste of it. just simply for that fact.

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okay, sir, let me talk to your wife. let me get some information from her. >> man. [ bleep ]. >> okay. can i talk to her? okay. >> how the [ bleep ] can you let my daughter get stole? somebody stole my child out of my bed. i come home from work and my child was not there. >> i put her to bed and about 8:00 and i woke up and she was gone.

the back door was wide open. >> do you believe that misty was indeed home and that she's been telling the truth? >> yeah, i believe she's telling the truth. >> what we need is for misty to come down here and tell us the truth. >> i didn't hear anything at all. i mean, i was really exhausted that day, you know. really exhausted. and when i laid down, i guess i was just out. >> i was told, you know, that she went to bed at 10:00. being that exhausted, i think that maybe you could sleep through somebody beating on the door. >> the officers are going to come out there and do what they can. we can't have him screaming and yelling at the officers whenever they get there. okay? >> uh-huh. >> give me my [ bleep ] phone. i've got better people to talk to than a [ bleep ] that ain't coming. >> straight back out to marlaina schiavo. you have been in the home. what do you think? how far away is that front door from where misty croslin says she was sleeping? could you really not have heard somebody banging on the door if she goes to bed at 10:00 and the brother gets there between 9:30, bangs on the door till 10:00 and then waits for her to get home, no sign of life inside? >> i find it really hard to

believe that no one could hear that. the bedroom is in the front of the house. eight, maybe ten feet away from that room. and nancy, remember, this is a trailer. it's not a big place. it's not soundproof. and if he's banging away like the cops say he was, there's no way she couldn't have heard that. >> we are taking your calls live. let's unleash the lawyers. joining me tonight out of new york, family law attorney susan moss. also with us tonight out of atlanta, defense attorney renee rockwell. and also in new york defense attorney, former federal prosecutor doug burns. sue moss, what about it? >> did he really go to the trailer door, or was this just some folklore? i mean, if he was at the trailer door, there's no way she was in that trailer. there's no way she could have slept through this. there's no way the kids could have slept through him banging on the doors. somebody is lying, and that's the key to this case. >> to renee rockwell, i want to get back to this letter. this letter that has been

written by a woman who is now incarcerated. what do you make of it? whenever i find out a letter -- hey, art, was this letter written from the jailhouse, art harris? >> sure was. it was written from the jailhouse, nancy, and she asks him to "send me some money." >> okay. didn't ask you that. but thanks for the nugget. renee rockwell, i'm always suspicious since i've gotten so many letters from the jailhouse all over the country. when i was prosecuting, i always wonder if there's an angle. what do they want? what do they want? what's the motive? that's a problem. >> nancy, you can't always talk about and trust a snitch from the jail. but this is not anything that someone from the jail is trying to go to the police with and make a deal with and get a free pass out of jail. this is a letter that has arisen and has emerged and was not necessarily for the eyes of the police. so you've got -- >> that's a good point. >> -- to give a little more

trust to a letter like that. >> to doug burns, former prosecutor turned defense attorney. doug, listen. i've used jailhouse rats on the stand before. >> yep. >> if i believe them and if i could corroborate what they had to say. and renee makes a good point. this is not a letter this woman sends trying to get a deal, trying to get a sweetheart deal. this is to her boyfriend asking for some money. this has nothing to do with any ulterior motive. >> exactly right. but the most important point you just made is you can use this as a great source as long as you can corroborate it. the police can go through every little detail and hopefully there will be kernels of information in there that lead to additional roads, and that's where it can be really good. and as you said at the beginning, and you're right, you can use these witnesses but you've got to corroborate them. >> well, sometimes you've got to go to hell to get the witness to put the devil in jail, unfortunately. to caryn stark, psychologist joining us in our new york studios, caryn, weigh in. >> i'll tell you, nancy, it's all so suspicious. and if you take a look at the grandmother who's supporting misty, that doesn't make a lot of sense compared to her own

mother, who doesn't seem to be supporting her. so there's so much confusion, and it's very hard to piece this apart -- >> but i find it important that teresa neves, who's her paternal grandmother, supports misty croslin. where her own blood mother doesn't. to me that speaks volumes in misty croslin's favor. >> well, i don't know about that. because usually parents stand by their children. i mean, take a look at casey anthony. that mother was swearing by her no matter what. so that's confusing. >> you're right. (announcer) everything you need to stay balanced on long trips. residence inn. ♪ bicycle, what are we waiting for? the flowers are blooming.

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>> if there is a possibility of it, i don't know anything about it. >> to mike brooks, former fed with the fbi. mike, you and i have both seen a lot of jailhouse letters. but rockwell makes a good point. this is not asking for a favor, hey, i'll give you information if you'll give me straight probation. >> nope. not asking for that at all, nancy. and just like she said, this was not for the eyes of the police. this was like hey, we were together that night, remember? you know, and hopefully, nancy, this will rattle some of the cages and hopefully, this will rattle the cage that misty's in right now since she took off from home because i think she is still holding the key to where little haleigh is. two flunked polygraphs from law enforcement, one flunked polygraph from tim miller's group. inconsistencies all over the place. she's the one that holds the key to this. i still believe that, nancy. >> to chief medical examiner of broward county, author of "when to call the doctor," dr. joshua perper is with us tonight.

and it's an honor to have you on the air with us, dr. perper. >> thank you. >> dr. perper, what is oxycontin and how would, for instance, one pill affect a 5-year-old child? let me just say weighing maybe between 30, 35 pounds. >> well, oxycontin is a form of oxycodone which is long acting. and it's taken primarily against pain, but people also take it for so-called recreational purposes, for basically addiction, getting a high. obviously, it's not given to children at all, and it's not recommended for children. so if, unfortunately, she died as a result of an oxycontin overdose and there are still soft tissue available, then from the examination of the soft tissue it's going to be possible to make a determination that she died as a result of that.

>> but from one pill could a child 39 pounds overdose, doctor? >> probably from one or two pills she could have died, and it's possible that children sometimes think that that's candy. and we see sometimes accidental death in those cases. unless somebody gave her intentionally the pill, which i don't think it will be very likely. want to know how fast it took my stiff joints to feel better?

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i want to get to the bottom of what happened. i don't know if hypnosis is going to do it. they've already tried to hypnotize -- >> are you of the mind that you should try anything? >> absolutely. if that's what we need to, do then that's what we can do. >> i'm trying to do everything to find her, answer any questions i have to, because i know i didn't do anything to that little girl. >> here's the back screen door. the one that was propped open with the cinderblock, okay? now, if you see, when it closed, it slams. it makes a loud noise. but if you leave this door, this

slowly closes as well. >> i just want everybody to know that i didn't do anything with that little girl. i love her like she's my own. and i'll do anything to get her back. >> what we need is for misty to come down here and tell us the truth. we know it applies pressure in an area where pressure needs to be applied, and that's on misty. and misty can relieve this pressure by telling her attorney that we need to go down to the sheriff's office and really lay out in clear terms what i was doing from 8:00 p.m. till 3:00 a.m. >> okay. sir, let me talk to your wife. let me get some information from her. >> man. [ bleep ]. >> okay. can i talk to her? okay. >> how the [ bleep ] can you let my daughter get stole? >> straight out to the lines, katie, north carolina. hi, katie. >> caller: hi. i was curious because when tommy came by the door had to have been locked, but when misty woke up, it was open. so was the lock broken?

how did the door get unlocked? >> good question. marlaina schiavo, what can you tell us? you actually tested out the door. >> well, the door tommy was knocking on was the front the door that was propped open was the side door. so the lock was not -- the lock door. wasn't broken. it just -- the door was just propped open. >> out to the lines. tracy, ohio. hi, tracy. >> caller: hi, nancy. i just love you. >> thank you, tracy in ohio. i've got to tell you, i could use that love tonight. i've been up since 4:30 this morning with the twins. they're waring mommy ragged. but i tell you, when i take a look at this story and i think about ronald cummings, teresa neves never seeing their daughter and granddaughter for all these months, maybe never again, they can wake me up every morning at 4:30 for the rest of my life. i'm just so grateful. what is your question, dear? >> caller: my question, nancy,

is i wanted to know if there was a party that misty was at with haleigh, would there -- would the other people involved in that party be involved in this too? would they be charged? >> good question. sue moss, renee rockwell, doug burns, again, i've got to reiterate. it's very difficult for me to believe that a bunch at a drug party can keep their pie holes shut this many months, although maybe they think they could be implicated or, renee rockwell, i could see a scenario where there had been a party, maybe haleigh was in the car, maybe she came in to one of the rooms, maybe everyone didn't see her. there are a lot of scenarios where this could in fact be legitimate. >> legitimate? well, i can say this, nancy. if there was a party and there were illegal drugs or even if they were prescribed but they were left out for a 5-year-old to come in contact with and eat and then die of an overdose, i can absolutely see the whole bunch of them being charged with at least a negligent homicide. >> out to the lines.

mary jo in florida. hi, mary jo. >> caller: hey, friend. i'm a big fan of the show. thanks for what you do. >> and thank you for calling in, dear. what's your question? >> caller: i have a two-part question. i was wondering what misty was wearing when ronald got home. was she in pajamas or was she in -- >> good question. >> caller: and then how much time in between when she allegedly woke up and ronald got home? >> teresa neves, this is haleigh's paternal grandmother. what was she wearing when ronald got home? >> she was wearing a little pajama top and boxer shorts. >> miss neves, just hearing you upset, we're all throwing around legal theories and this letter and whether it's true or not. what is your message tonight? >> i believe haleigh is alive. i have faith in god to take care of my baby girl and find her. and i don't care who had something to do with it.

those are the people who need to be put away and bring my baby girl home. >> miss neves, why are you so sure haleigh is still with us? >> because i stand on god's promise that if you pray and believe that he will give you what you pray for. >> miss neves, tell me how ronald is holding up. i mean, he comes on our show frequently, and he's always so strong. how is he holding up? >> he's not as strong at home as he is on tv. but he has to be strong for junior.

you know? so he does the best that he can. he keeps his crying to his self at night and just tries to make junior happy until haleigh comes home. >> how is junior? does he even realize at this juncture that haleigh is gone? >> junior thinks that haleigh is lost and she's finding her way home. he actually drew her a map so she could find her way home. but he doesn't realize the longevity, i think, of it. >> you know, i focus so much on where is haleigh, what happened that night. you know, junior has been lost in the mix. i cannot imagine, god forbid, the thought that i would ever have to explain to one of the twins where the other one was, why they were not at home. what do you tell him? >> the angels are watching

haleigh and she'll be home soon. >> miss neves, when you hear about, for instance, this letter -- >> yes, ma'am. >> -- how does that affect you? whether you believe it or don't believe it. when you hear there might be a break in the case. >> miss nancy, we would love to have a break in this case, and we really would not care who it implicates as long as it brings haleigh back to us. you know, this letter is a little far-fetched, i think, because haleigh didn't like medicine and oxycontin, i've had to take it. i think it's a very nasty taste. and i can't imagine haleigh taking it. so -- but you know, anything that would bring haleigh home, that's what we want. >> with me is teresa neves.

this is haleigh's paternal grandmother. miss neves, you stand very strongly behind misty croslin's story. what do you make of police saying that she has the answers? >> i have to leave the investigative part of this to law enforcement because, you know, if i go with every whim and every accusation then i'm going to be flipping back and forth in my life and, you know, what we stand -- you know, we just stand for haleigh here. we just want haleigh to come home. and i want them to find whoever this is, and i don't care who it is. but we want haleigh to come home. >> we are taking your calls live. with me is teresa neves, haleigh's grandmother. out to lynn in alabama. hi, lynn. >> caller: hi, nancy. i love your show. >> thank you, dear.

>> caller: thank you for everything you do. >> what is your question? >> caller: if misty cummings' brother went to the house that night when no one was home, are his fingerprints, have they checked the brick for fingerprints or on the door to the trailer? >> art harris, what do we know? >> no fingerprints on the door. but they found a fist, a bloody fist print when ronald was so upset he punched the door as hard as he could, nancy. >> everyone, i want to give you the tip line again. it is 888-277-tips. 888-277-8477. there is a $70,000 reward in connection with the haleigh cummings disappearance. $70,000 for information about haleigh cummings. and i want to remind miss neves as we go to break that while we are all throwing around legal theories and arguing the evidence please know that not a day passes that you and your family are not in prayers and

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police looking into whether clark's attitude may have led to a deadly confrontation. >> annie le was strangled to death in the lab where she worked. clark, who also worked there, is charged with doing it and then trying to hide her body behind a wall in the lab's basement. >> apparently, he was very concerned about how people kept their mice, their cages. there have been some reports that he got very upset when people wouldn't wear plastic booties into the lab or when people wouldn't keep their cages clean. >> as i got to know him, i quickly discovered, i just jogged it as a mental memory that he was controlling, and i was going to stay away from him. >> i thought he was a control freak. >> co-workers tell police he was

a control freak. he was also territorial when it came to the lab and the mice he took care of. >> jessica del rocco telling abc news clark would get very angry, often, frighten me. >> he would get very angry often. >> frighten you? >> yeah, he would frighten me. >> you are seeing raymond clark's former girlfriend, jessica del rocco on abc's "good morning america." out to jean casarez, legal correspondent "in session." these are pretty stunning developments. also, we learned police back at the scene today. >> that's right. new haven police, they went back to the lab building. the building is open for research and investigation. they, though, went down to the basement. they went to a washroom, nancy, and it had lab technicians right in it, asked them to get out. cordoned it off as a crime scene, saying they were looking for what could be potentially important evidence. >> i want to go to rupa mikkilineni, our producer on the story.

rupa, the girlfriend, the former girlfriend that speaks out saying that clark, when she was with him, was manipulative, controlling, but how did the relationship start off? >> the relationship started out, according to jessica del rocco, very sweet. he was very charming, kind, sweet, took her out to dinner. but then it progressed over a period of three months where he became more and more controlling, nancy, and would tell her what to do, would tell her what to wear, how to act, when to speak, when not to speak. >> you know, to you, dr. caryn stark, psychologist, telling her what friends to have, what to wear. he said you talk too softly, you breathe too loudly. >> well, it's typical of somebody who's a control person, nancy, that he feels out of control inside, sew needs to

control everything around him, including the person he's with. and somebody who's like that with a woman doesn't feel good about himself as a man. so he keeps trying to refine her and get her to be the way he thinks she should be. >> so how does that fit into this case, mike brooks? >> nancy, i think what they might be trying to show is a pattern of prior behavior. you know, if this is -- is this the way he was there? is this the way his controlling -- his controllingness was in the lab with all these ph.d. candidates, with the people that came across him? i think that's exactly what they're trying to do, is to show a pattern of behavior leading up to this alleged murder. >> but you know what, to thomas kaplan, the editor in chief of the "yale daily news," it's our understanding that behind bars raymond clark has clammed up. we're not going to learn a lot from him. he's not talking. not to anybody. >> that's true. he hasn't spoken, even before his arrest, when police initially talked to him, he failed a polygraph according to reports and clammed up at that point. and from what we've been told he has not spoken to the authorities since then. so that's why the motive here is

such a mystery. >> back to jean casarez with in session, jean, now the possibility of steroid use is rearing its ugly head. >> this is interesting. the "national enquirer" actually -- >> wait a minute, take a look at those guns this guy's sporting in court. >> i saw them. >> complete with a tattoo around them to really show them off. >> i saw them. and what the "national enquirer" is reporting is that raymond clark was taking steroids possibly. and you remember the chris ben wau case, the wrestler that murdered his wife, baby, and himself. he had ten times the amount of testosterone. it was said at that point it was steroid overdose. you can have a situation where you can have anger management issues and impulsiveness. >> out to the lines, kathy, ws wisconsin. hi, kathy. >> caller: we love your show. i already have your book. i have a question. even though the murder occurred in the basement with animal smells and chemical smells, i find it strange that no one smelled a dead body in four or

five days. >> i find that odd, too, dr. joshua perper. what do you make of that? the decomposition. how quickly would it take place? >> usually, the body starts to decompose immediately, but it becomes evident by smell within a day or a couple of day. and i understand here there were three days. the only explanation would be that the area in which the body was pushed in was somewhat closed, in other words, was not open to the remainder of the room and, again, the other smells in the room also masked the -- whatever odor could have come out of that particular location. >> everyone, we are taking your calls live. but quickly, to tonight's amber alert. the search for a missing 12-year-old texas girl believed to be in extreme danger. karla yriguyen-rivas last seen tuesday laredo, texas, kidnapped by suspect 28-year-old jose

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i'm a.j. hammer. show biz tonight at the top of the hour, incest shocker. a former child star told oprah she had sex with her father and how mick jagger seduced her. and jon gosselin's bizarre sex appeal. out do the lines, peggy in florida. hi, peggy. >> hi, nancy, love you. >> thank you for watching from denver. thanks for calling in. what's your question. >> caller: i want to say i married somebody in the late '80s that was on steroids and he reacted the same way that his girlfriend has explained and

even worse. my question is, will they try to use it as a defense? >> it's an excellent question. what about it, doug burns? >> it's an uphill battle. it throws us to some kind of mental deficiency as a result of the steroids. people rate that with alcohol and other drugs. that's a good question the caller poses. it will be up there. >> you're so right. >> yeah. >> because you have to convince the jury. first of all, voluntary intoxication or use of drugs is not a defense unless you're comatose. if you're comatose, you're not committing a murder. that's a catch-22 right there. so what jury is going to forgive you if your defense is, hey, it was roid rage -- sorry. >> it was no different than total loss of control like you guys were discussing earlier with an anger problem. the sad part of the case looks like a regular person that went absolutely nuts. so maybe a straight insanity play. but this is going to be a tough case for the defense. >> if he went insane, he certainly was fine in a couple

of hours when he was doing the cleanup. let's stop and remember marine lance corporal christopher fultz air lifted to a hospital in germany, died. on the second tour, proud to be a marine like his grand father and uncle. global war on terrorism service medal, dreamed of college. leaves behind parts steven and donna. christopher faulk, american hero. thanks to my guests, special guests tonight from australia. today, sheryl and greg. aren't they beautiful and handsome? everyone, i'll see you tomorrow night. 8:00 sharp eastern. good night.

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