breaking news tonight, satsuma, florida, a 5-year-old little girl tucked into bed, five hours later, she's gone, vanished. the back door propped wide open. daddy comes home from the night shift to find not a trace of little haleigh. bombshell, tonight police issue a warrant for the arrest of misty croslinf croslin's mother. charge, felony forgery. is this a police try to get the truth about haleigh from misty croslin's own mother? she's already publicly stated her daughter hasn't come clean

about the night haleigh vanishes and a letter emerges in the search for haleigh. outlining details of a party the night haleigh goes missing. a party fueled by drugs. at the party, misty croslin. with her? little haleigh. reports that night, little haleigh accidentally ingest a heavy-duty painkiller, oxycontin and died. we have the letter. this, as new stepmother misty croslin skips town after a bitter fight with haleigh's father, ronald cummings. croslin's brother thrown behind bars on a gun charge leading to another break in the case. in a late-night jailhouse interrogation, the brother finally confesses. he goes to haleigh's house the night she goes missing. pounds on the door, repeatedly. nobody home. phone records confirm, ronald cummings tries desperately to reach croslin that night. no answer.

where was girlfriend-turned-stepmother misty croslin during those crucial hours when haleigh goes missing? investigators spoke upon a heavily wooded area draining a local pond in connection with haleigh. as girlfriend-turned-stepmother, misty croslin flunked another polygraph. tonight, where is haleigh? >> i just want everybody to know that i didn't do anything with that little girl. i loved her like she's my own. and i'll do anything to get her back. >> did haleigh cummings die from an overdose of oxycontin? a letter obtain said allegedly from a friend of misty croslin claims that haleigh got her hands on the powerful narcotic while at a party with misty and her friends the night of the disappearance. >> this is not anything that someone from the jail is trying to go to the police with and make a deal with and get a free pass out of jail. this is a letter that has arisen and has emerged and was not necessarily for the eyes of the police. >> the letter claims police were

given a sworn affidavit by a friend of misty's that states misty haleigh and a group of friends were partying at the friend's home the night of the disappearance. when haleigh overdosed the friends panicked, shoved haleigh's body in a black bag and tossed her in a nearby pond. >> ronald, has the theory that misty left the home sometime during the night been disproved? >> i'm not sure. i believe that it has, nancy. i'm almost 100% sure, but i wouldn't tell you that and lie to you. >> police are denying any friend have come forward making these allegations and are said to be completely ignoring the letter. all of misty's friends have reportedly been cleared and there are still no suspects in the case. >> hopefully, this will rattle the cage that misty's in right now. since she took off from home. because i think she is still holding the key to where little haleigh is. >> i have faith in god to take care of my baby girl and find her. and i don't care who had

something to do with it. those are the people who need to be put away. >> and tonight, live to connecticut, in the sudden disappearance of a gorgeous young ivy league doctoral student just as she's set to walk down the aisle. the 24-year-old beauty last spotted on grainy surveillance video walking into a yale research building. a false fire alarm mysteriously goes off in the building. people rush out. annie le never seen again. at nearly the exact hour, le's set to walk down the aisle, wedding dress on a hanger in the closet, flowers ordered. the girl's body found stuffed in a two-foot wall cable space there at yale's research building. early-morning hours, police storm a super 8 motel to arrest 24-year-old lab tech raymond clark on murder one. tonight, police close down the yale research building again.

new evidence discovered. plumbers, plumbers, not the police, the plummer discovers evidence shoved down a washroom drain there in the basement where mice cages cleaned by murder suspect raymond clark. and clark's alleged history of stalking, threatening, harassing women resurfaces. former girlfriend reveals clark's a control freak. lashing out. dictating what she said, where she goes, even what she wears. we have the video. was this a senseless and brutal murder over laboratory mice cages? and another twist, was suspect raymond clark fueled by steroids? with a community and a university reeling, a family grieving, a young groom left at the altar with a broken heart,

tonight we want justice for 24-year-old bride-to-be annie le. >> this is not a street crime. it was not a domestic crime. it's a workplace crime. >> looking at the -- attitude may have lead to a deadly confrontation. >> annie le was strangled in the lab where he worked. clark who also works there is charged with doing it. >> reports showing that dna from accused murderer raymond clark ii was found in both the ceiling and the tiny crawl space where le's body was uncovered sunday. according to reports observe observed clark trying to hide lab cleaning equipment containing blood splatters. a law enforcement official told the "hartford current" that was spotted in cleaning up areas that le was in shortly before reported missing. >> co-workers tell police he's a

control freak and also territorial when it came to the lab and the mice that he took care of. >> it's being reported that he maintained the cagesen and the animals was upset at her, annie le, because she was leaving her cage in disorder or dirty. >> it's being reported that there was a text message warning of the day she went missing asking her to meet with him at the lab. >> represented and brought into court facing a murder charge at just 24, the police chief makes it clear, the lab where they both worked is where the violence was born. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. police issue a warrant for the arrest of girlfriend-turned-stepmother misty croslin's mother. charge? felony forgery. is this a police try to get the truth about haleigh from croslin's mom? well, will the whole croslin family end up behind bars? everybody except, of course,

from misty croslin? >> was haleigh cummings a victim of a drug overdose? according to a letter allegedly from one of stepmom/baby-sitter misty croslin's friend, haleigh died of an overdose to oxycontin and then her body was thrown into a pond. >> probably from one or two pills, she could have died. and it's possible that she's -- and we see sometimes accidental death. >> the letter states that cops were given a sworn affidavit from a friend of misty's, who claims everyone at the party "freaked out" when the toddler overdosed. >> you can use this as a great source as long as you can corroborate it. hopefully there will be kernels of information in there that lead to an additional flood is

police say they're completely ignoring the letter and denying any existence of this alleged sworn photographed misty's frind. reports are that all of of the friends were cleared. >> would love to have a break in this case and we really would not care who. >> you have made an accusation that croslin was on a drug binge. do you have any evidence to support that claim? >> no, i don't. >> then, why did you say it? >> it was just a thought. i mean, maybe she was. maybe she wasn't. >> it was just a thought. so you have nothing to support the claim that she was on a drug binge around the time that haleigh goes missing. >> well, there are people that have been questioned that said she was on a drug binge before haleigh went missing. >> straight out to marlaina schiavo. our producer on the story. a mother being thrown behind bars on a forgery count. you know, very often a forgery's a type of a case that's

considered, usually, to be fearly liked. we save jail beds for child molesters, rapers, drug lord, a forgery, is this a police attempt to get the truth out of misty croslin's mother? tell me what's happening. >> that's what we're thinking, nancy. there's a nationwide pick up warrant for misty's mother on a forgery charge. bond is set at $10,000. now, she can pay that bond in tennessee, where she's curren y living or they're going to extradite her back to florida. >> to t.j. hart. wsky, 97.3. what more do we happen? when you say forgery, what are we talking about? on a check? was it a home mortgage? what it was? it was trying to get money from the government? was it a sale of a house? what was the document she allegedly forged? >> that is the information i've been trying to glean from law enforcement since i found out about this, this morning and

passed it onto our staff here at hln. but it appears that they want her. they want her back in florida and they want her back in i hurry. >> you know, now this is highly unusual. let's unleash the lawyers. everybody, you're seeing just obtained new family photos of little haleigh in our attempt to try to jog somebody's memory. these are from grandmother teresa neves. a friend of our show. she is the paternal grandmother of little haleigh. let's unleash the lawyers. susan moss, new york. joe lawless philadelphia. lawyer, author, prosecutorial misconduct. and out of miami, bradford cohen. sue moss, mombehind bar, weigh in. >> well, this mother, you remember, came out against misty and said that she believed that her son was telling the truth and that misty was not, with regard to whether she was home alone -- home with the kids that night. maybe they want to put her in jail so they can ask tough questions about what -- why she

came to such a conclusion. there has to be a reason -- >> yes. >> -- why she turned against misty. >> come on, joe lawless. i know you're on the other side of the fence from me. but i would not use the state's resources to extradite somebody. spend $15,000 to bring somebody home on a $10,000 bond -- charge. sorry. that doesn't make sense to me. so this has got to be a play to get the truth out of store that well, we're on the other side of the fence but remember i was a former prosecutor and where you have a child that's missing and you don't know what's happening you have to bring the witnesses back and it's not a question of how much you spend -- >> right. >> -- it's the result that you can get. >> cowen. >>. >> i don't know if that's true. florida. i have practiced in florida for 14 years. $2,500 bond. >> all the way from another state, they will extradite on a forgery? >> absolutely. >> i just had one that they took some guy from new york on a third-degree felony and extradited him back to florida. in my busy kitchen, i want nothing but the best.

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a new bombshell to tell you about in the disappearance of florida girl, haleigh cummings. a letter allegedly from a friend of haleigh's stepmother claims the little girl died after ingesting oxycontin. misty croslin-cummings was apparently baby-sitting haleigh the night she disappeared. she claims it was after haleigh was put to bed. but letter claims misty and haleigh were actually at a party when tragedy struck. >> this letter is a little far-fetched, i think, because haleigh didn't like medicine. and oxycontin, i've had to take it. i think it's a very nasty taste.

and i can't imagine haleigh taking it. >> misty croslin's brother, tom croslin, told authorities that he went to haleigh's home around 10:00 p.m. that night and no answer when he knocked on the door. >> the bedroom is in the front the house, maybe ten feet away from that room. this is a trailer. it's not a big place. it's not soundproof. and he's banging away, like the cops say he was, there's no way she couldn't have heard that. >> they left me alone for six months p i've been the one, the main focus. they just need to move on and look for the right person. >> we would love to have a break in this case. and we really would not care who it implicates as long as it brings haleigh back to us. >> straight out to terry schumaker. this is the attorney for ronald cummings. haleigh's biological father. he's joining us from st.

augustine, florida, a well-known attorney in the florida region. terry schumaker, thank you for being with us. terry, with all of this swirling around ronald cummings, every time i speak to him, he is staunched in his support of misty croslin's story. but with her brother behind bars, saying he came to the home that evening and she wasn't there. this is when haleigh's going missing that evening. and now the mom's going behind bars. she said she thinks her daughter is not telling the truth. this certainly had to affect him. >> well, it definitely does affect the way he thinks about what's going on. but you have to remember, the phone call to hank jr. was at about 9:00. and he never asked him to go check on -- check on misty and the kids. he just called to see if misty was at their house. as far as misty's mom and the conversations -- or what she's told law enforcement, you know,

she has told him in the past that she believes what misty said. doesn't think that she has anything to do with it. and so he's really kind of -- he's more concerned with why they're changing their stories now, as to what they were saying previously. >> okay, okay. understood. i want to talk to you about the brother, tommy croslin, who is my understanding lives in the same area where police have just conducted an investigation of sorts when there was a, we believe, false sighting of little haleigh. what can you tell me, is he about to get out of jail? and is that a little bit of a coincidence, that he stayed behind bars on a $10,000 bond on a gun argument with a neighbor, and now that he talks to police and is interrogated and gives this information, now his bond has been cut in half. >> yeah, right, his bond has been lowered. tommy croslin actually got out of jail today. we don't know who posted that bond for him. but he is walking out of jail as

his mother could be walking into jail. >> take a listen to what misty croslin's mother, the mom who now has a felony forgery, arrest warrant, on her head had to say about misty croslin's story regarding the night haleigh vanishes. >> yes, i think my heart was holding something back. i think they are both holding something back. that's just in my heart. if you know anything at all, please tell me. we can work. i'll be right there by your side. we'll get through it. just please tell me whatever you're holding back. >> that was from wosl and that is misty croslin's mother hoping that she will tell everything she knows about the night this little girl vanishes. a 5-year-old lying allegedly asleep in her own bed when the girlfriend wakes up, she says the back door's propped wide

open. she doesn't call 911. 911 only called when the dad gets home from the nightshift. to dr. bethany marshall, psychoanalyst, author of "deal breakers. wlats do you think, bethany. >> there are so many twisted undercurrents. is this the kind dysfunctional family. did she have an ax to grind against her own daughter? did she think her daughtler a drug abuse problem? it's like one small brush stroke and a big picture that needs to be filled in. ( clicking ) ( laughs, click ) when you hear a click, ( clicking ) you know it's closed and secure. that's why hefty food bags click closed. hefty! hefty! hefty! so you know you've helped lock in freshness and lock out air... to help prevent freezer burn.

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what is her story about what happened that night? >> she went to bed. she put haily to bed. done some laundry and went to bed and woke up to the door propped open. >> there was a brick, like a cinder block. it was holding the spring door open and that door, that door is always closed. that brick, i've never seen that brick even around there. >> why are you so sure haleigh is still with us? >> because i've stayed on god's promise that if you pray and believe that he will give you what you pray for. >> that is paternal grandmother teresa neves, who joined us and

is still very staunchly, firmly believing that this little girl is alive. i hope she's right. joining me right now, t.j. ward, he's the president of investigative consultants international. and he gave that voice analysis to the new stepmother, misty croslin. the last person to see little haleigh alive. t.j. ward, thank you for being with us. explain to us what you learned from, i call it a voice stress test. you call it a layered voice analysis, potato/potato, what dulearn? >> caller: well, thank you, nancy. after running the test completely, i can tell you, in fact that misty knows directly what happened to haleigh. misty knows. i mean, it's very much there. her thinking level is abnormal. she's having to think about what she was talking to me about. i went through all of the way through the day that misty -- before she said she laid misty down in the bed, what she didn't do.

and i believe that she knows the direct -- directly where this child is. i really do in the course of this test. and of course she flunked two polygraphs prior to that, so she flunk said our test also. i can tell you. but there's extreme stress in in test. and this is not voice stress. i will tell you that. it picks up stress but not only that, but i can see that she's hiding information and she's not talking about everything. >> t.j., i know that you're still working on the case. what are you working on now? >> caller: well, i'm trying to, right now, see if law enforcement will allow plea to come to florida and interview the individuals that are involved in this letter. >> right. >> caller: iver contacted tim miller with equusearch. >> hold on just a moment. let's back up. elie, explain what we're talking about. when we refer to this letter, i've got a copy right here and police have confirmed to us that this is a legitimate theory that they are vetting. >> uh-huh. wait, this is a letter that was written by a friend of misty's, who's in jail. she wrote this letter to her boyfriend saying, you won't believe what police told me.

they say they have a witness who claims we're all at a party the night haleigh went missing. she took some oxycontin and died. >> her and junior were sleeping in my queen-size bed and she was sleeping in the tot bed beside her. three, four feet from her, whatever. ever worn your clothes in the shower? if you're using other moisturizing body washes, you might as well be. you see, their moisturizer sits on top of skin, almost as if you're wearing it. only new dove deep moisture has nutriummoisture, a breakthrough formula with natural moisturizers... that can nourish deep down. it's the most effective natural nourishment ever. new dove deep moisture with nutriummoisture. superior natural nourishment for your skin.

i just got home from work. >> 3:00 in the morning, i got up and i got up because i had to use the bathroom but i didn't make it to the bathroom. i turned the kitchen light on. and i walked in kitchen and the back door is wide open. >> right beside me on my left is the bed where misty croslin was sleeping. and here on the right we had the bed where little haleigh was sleeping. and you can see it is all but about 3 1/2 feet from each other. and this is right where misty

said she got up and she had to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night. >> if i find whoever has my daughter, i am killing them. i do not care. i am telling you, you can put on recording and i don't care. >> it's okay, sir. we've got them on the way. can you give me any -- what kind of description of her pajamas that she was wearing? >> i don't know. [ bleep ]. >> people think that i have something do with it. if i had something to do with it if i knew where she was we wouldn't be sitting here today. we'd have her. >> everything she says is, zpliez don't know where she is. >> misty can relieve this pressure by telling her attorney that we need to go down to the sheriff's office and really lay out in clear terms what i was doing from 8:00 p.m. till 3:00 a.m. >> we need is for misty to come down here and tell us the truth. >> i have leave the investigative part of this to law enforcement. because you know, if i go on every whim and on every accusation, then i'm going to be flipping back and forth in my life. and you know what we stand, you

know -- we just stand for haleigh here. we just want haleigh to come home. and i want them to find whoever this is. and i don't care who it is. but we want haleigh to come home. >> back to the lawyers. susan moss, joe lawless, bradford cohen. apparently, joe lawless, the last time she spoke to cops -- and i'm talking about the misty croslin. the last person to see haleigh alive. she spoke to cops without a lawyer. she voluntarily spoke to cops without a lawyer. what do you make of it? >> well, it's either someone who didn't do anything or someone who thinks they're smart enough to fool the authorities. i don't know. if she were my client i wouldn't have let her speak to the police until i had a better grip of what was going on here and it's just not clear. >> and susan moss, the reality is, although t.j. ward believes firmly in his voice analysis test to misty croslin, it's not

allowed in court. we get calls every night, she's flunked two polys. why can't she have an arrest warrant? it's not enough. >> unfortunately it doesn't -- it's not allowed in court because it doesn't pass blah we call the doublert or the fry hearing. meaning it has not gained enough reliability within the expert's community to be reliable. so it's not going in. >> bradford cohen, defense attorney joining us out of miami. you know every time i -- well, almost every time -- i every try a felony, the defendant's mother will be sitting front and center right at behind him or her, probably crying. holding up a bible in the courtroom. in this case, misty croslin's mother has already come out and publicly stated that she believes her daughter is withholding. as a matter of fact, before i get your comment, bradford cohen, take a listen to misty

croslin's own mother. >> yes, i think that my daughter is holding something back. i think they are both holding something back. that's just in my heart. if you know anything at all, please tell me. we can work it through it. i'll be right there by your side. we'll get through it. just please tell me whatever you're holding back. >> okay. bradford cohen, i don't think that she's going to be sitting right behind misty croslin if she ever gets into a courtroom or waving the bible around. of course i'd always get out my own bible and wave it right back at the mother. but, long story shoerkt that's not going to help when your own mother is not on your side. >> no. this is like dial "d" for dysfunction. the whole family's -- there's something wrong with the whole family. >> ever think about "t" for truth? >> that's true, too. i mean, it's amazing that everyone in this family has something in terms of some legality going on that the police are arresting the brother, the police are

arresting the mother. anybody who listens to her story doesn't think it makes sense. i don't think that the mom -- >> everybody but ronald cummings. >> i'm shocked. it's amazing that -- maybe it's the love of this woman that is controlling him in terms of not seeing the light, but this story does not make sense. i think everybody except for him understands it doesn't make sense. i don't even know. maybe the mother will be supporting the daughterer at a possible trial. who knows what is going on here. >> to dr. bethany marshall. psychoanalyst. what do you think about the guide within the family? >> well, it's very typical in dysfunctional families that the parent chooses. so the mother may support their son but not the daughter. >> the attorney's minds that maybe she doesn't believe the daughter's story and it has nothing to do with tangled up snakes in their heads, as you would suggest that she really doesn't believe her story. >> nancy, could i suggest that the mother says, i think she's

hiding something. then she says, i think they're hiding something. and maybe the mother has some culpability in this case. and because of that, she's trying to distance herself from both of them. in a sense, saving her own stand at her daughter's expense. not that she has overt culpability but that she's been contributing to a pattern of neglect and she does not want that exposed. >> okay, we are talking about the mother of misty croslin who spoke to local affiliate wosl. and in that interview she states very clearly she believes her own daughter is hiding something. take a listen. this is what we're talking about. >> deep down in my heart, yes, i think that my daughter's holding something back. i think they are both holding something back. that's just in my heart. i'm going to tell her i love her and if you know anything at all, please tell me. i mean, we can work through it. i'll be right there by your side. we'll get through.

but just please tell me, whatever you're holding back. >> that is from wofl. to tom shamshack, former police chief and now private investigator and instructor at boston university. is this a police ploy? the brother has been thrown behind bars. his bond was cut in half once he spoke to police in the late-night interrogation. and now croslin's mother has a warrant for her arrest on her head. >> good evening, nancy. nancy, this is a typical police investigative measure. to bring people in. they're a captive audience. and now they can be confronted with inconsistencies and really drilled about the matter at hand. and here, i'm not surprised whatsoever that law enforcement is reaching out and using every opportunity to isolate this family and to, again, drill them for information. >> and very quickly, to dr. jennifer schrubb, pediatrician

and editor of "baby child health." would one oxycontin kill a 39-pound little girl or two oxycontin pills. >> yeah, actually it could, nancy. ox contin, 7.5 times stronger than codeine. the strongest tablet could cause a child to stop breepgting and die. >> editor of "baby and child help." right now as we go to break, a big welcome to joy behar coming to hln. this is last night's launch parent for joy's show. president ken was there. kickoff, this tuesday september 29. 9:00 p.m., sharp. welcome, friend. as washington continues the debate

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you know the only person who really truly knows the motive in this crime is the suspect. what made him do what he did -- and we may not know till trial, we may never know. >> police began to follow raymond clark iii just after yale graduate student annie le went miss. on saturday four days after le went miss, clark spent time with his family in cromwell, on sunday he went down to new thiechb play softball and detectives watched from the stands. on monday detectives decided to be more overt. that's when clark seemed to realize he was being watched. and began to turn off his lights and pull down his apartment shades. the next night police took him from his middleton apartment to meriddon where he submitted dna. wednesday he spent mine a cromwell hotel with family. morning of the 17th clark was arrested and arraigned in new haven superior court and transferred to macdougal walker correctional institution.

>> right now straight out to jean casarez, legal correspondent with "in session." jean, the plummer, the plummer? rosy the plummer is back and she's down there in the washroom at yale's university -- yale university's research building and she, the plummer, finds evidence in a murder case? what happened to the police? >> reporter: well, it sounds like they had to have a plummer go to that lab room. that's right, nancy, the investigation continues in new haven. new haven police were back at the lab building. and a plum her to go in with them and including forensic technicians to find what they are not saying on the record as evidence, but employees at the lab building are telling the new haven register that it may be medical scrubs that were found shoved down and inside a drain in the wash basin area. >> well, jean casarez, i can guarantee you this, it's not just medical scrubs.

those scrubs have got to have something on them, something incriminating on them. because why else would someone shove them down a drain? >> reporter: definitely. and, nancy, can medical scrubs even be shoved down a drain? i think that's a question, too. and another question, nancy, there could be a murder weapon in this case. she died from traumatic asphyxiation by nex compression. we don't know if that was manual, by hand, or by some ligiture or something else that could possibly be found somewhere. >> are you suggesting that this could be a ligiture for the strangulation of 24-year-old annie le? . >> i think that anything is possible but it's something that something physically that had to be down a drain could which be quite nairry. >> ask you this, go to our produce or the story from the very beginning. rupa, did police call the plummer? or did the plummer come because they were having a problem with the drain? >> nancy, it isn't very clear

why or how -- who called police to come but they were there all day long, according to employees of the amistad building and when i spoke with police yesterday they nadvery clear that it was considered a crime scenarthat they were searching and this is the washroom of the basement where the animals were kept, where annie le's body was found. >> back to jean casarez, legal correspondent with "in session." okay, jean, help me visualize this, this is the bathroom where the washroom where -- and, what do you know, jean, did the police call the plummer? can i give them credit for that? or was the plummer called because they had a problem with the drain? >> reporter: let's look at facts. we reported yesterday that the forensic investigators and the new haven police were there at the lab in the wash basement area. we didn't hear anything about a plummer but today we're hearing about a plummer. so common sense tells me, nancy, they had to call the plummer. >> well, what about this, jean. didn't police close it in, in

the crime scene investigation before yesterday and then they came back? >> reporter: yes, they did. they did and when they came back, nancy, it was open. >> hey, hey, i trumped you, jean. because i get what you're saying. but police had already finished the crime scene investigation. >> reporter: that's what they said. >> they left. everything back to normal. people could go in and out of the building. that tells me somebody had a problem with the drain in the washroom where this murder may have taken place. and -- and that led police and plummer back out. police missed it. that's what it says to me. >> reporter: possibly, but what if someone had trouble with the drain and was smart enough to call police instead of a plummer and the police and investigators came out first? >> well, i agree. but my point, jean casarez, is you'd think in every murder investigation, and, jean, you've covered so many, when there is a bathroom around, you check the

drains, you check the shower. you check the sinks. you check the comowed. if there's a washing machine, you check the washing machines. why? because if you flush, dispose, shove bloody evidence down a drain, blood can be obtained. dna can be obtained out of a drain. jean? >> reporter: that is very true, nancy. but, nancy, how long was that basement open for people to go in and out? it was not designated a crime scene. when it finally was designated a crime scene, it was reopened very quickly, nancy. how long would it take to check all of those things you're saying? i don't think it was done. >> i don't think it was done either, rupa mick lanen. what can you tell me? >> basically what we know, nancy, is when annie le first went missing, we know that people were going in and out of this later that was later named a crime scene for five or six days. now they were still able to pull out evidence, amazing evidence that dna evidence that allowed

thom make an arrest. so the police have always said that this investigation has been ongoing and open and they are continuing even after the arrests -- >> rupa, i appreciate that. however, that's not my question. susan moss, joe lawless, bradford cohen. susan moss, do you get where i'm going? they finished the investigation. they left. the crime lab techs, the crime scene tech, the police, they left. they open the building back up for general use. then suddenly, evidence is found by somebody shoved down a drain in the room, in the washroom where the mice cages were cleaned. that's what the suspect did for a living in that washroom. >> they missed it. just like as soon as they knew that this woman was gone and the last place she was this was lab, they didn't immediately close down the lab and search every inch of that huge building. once again they made a mistake, but this guy, there's nothing dumber than leaving evidence

that could be found by a plummer. i mean this guy may work at yale but he's no genius. he's going to convict himself because of all of the clues he's leaving behind. >> listen, joe lawless, i am the police, the sheriff's biggest supporter. they are the ones that found the evidence that led to an arrest in this case, okay? however, what i'm worried about, this is what i'm worried about, the crime scene was closed down. it was reopened. now they find evidence shoved down a drain? at trial the defense can argue the scene was so contaminated, so open to the general public, anybody could have done that. it may not be able to be linked back to the defendant. >> and that's precisely what's going to happen. they're going to argue one of two things. either the real killer tried to plant evidence that is in some way related to clark to try to frame him, or the police took evidence that links clark to the scene and planted it to try to

nice and bradford cohen, weigh in. >> yeah, 100%. he's 100% correct. the problem is that they missed this. it's very obvious to me that they missed it and that's the one place that they should go look immediately is the drains, drain, the bathrooms, everything you said. i agree with you for this one time. >> i will not take it as a compliment. dr. bethany marshal, what do you make of the frantic cleanup the suspect apparently did? >> well, it tells me he may have been contemplating at some unconscious level killing this girl but it really wasn't thought of consciously, so after he had this rage attack hoe had to cover up. but he has four of the risk factors. so based on your reporting, it seems like he has all four.

this was not a street crime. it was not a domestic crime. it was a workplace crime. >> police looking into whether clark's attitude may have led to a deadly confrontation. >> clark, who also worked there, is charged with doing it and trying to hide her body behind a wall in the lab's basement. >> new haven police chief says his detectives had eyes on 24-year-old raymond clark as soon as yale police turned over annie le's investigation to them. he's accused of stragling le and stuffing her body into a basement wall. >> back to jean casarez, legal correspondent "in session."

about the allegations he was using steroids, what do you know? >> it is being reported the national enquirer is reporting that he allegedly was taking steroids at the time that he committed this crime, allegedly. roid rage would be the effect of that, and we've seen that before and it's where there's outbursts of violence. no confirmation of it. the defense is not responding to it. but when you look at him in court, the first thing we noticed was muscles. >> to dr. jennifer shue. what effect does steroids have on someone, if in fact he was taking them? >> the first thing that jean mentioned is it can increase your muscle mass. there can be an increase in body hair and the voice may become deeper. things like acne, hormonal changes. roid rage, in some people steroids can cause things like violence, aggression, suicidal behavior, manic behavior.

that's especially true if they're on high doses of steroids and suddenly stop them. >> what about it, dr. bethany? >> also, paranoia, which is the belief that someone's very existence on this planet is threatening your well being. they're messing up the mouse cages, they're doing you wrong, so you have to wipe them out. >> everyone, let's stop and remember army private first class caleb, 24, knoxville, illinois, killed iraq. awarded purple heart, overseas service ribbon, a volunteer back home. had a smile that lit up a room. loved bango, fishing, hunting, wanted to be a firefighter. kay legal lufkin, american hero. thanks to our guests but especially to you. see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp eastern. until then, good night, friend.

coming up next on "issues," superstar john travolta takes the stand as the star witness in the bahamas and talks about how he tried to save his son, jett, all to no avail. all part of the extortion case. two individuals in the individuals, one a former senator charged with trying to extort john travolta to the tune of $25 million. the big news, john travolta admits his late son was autistic. that is a big development. we will analyze it tonight on "issues." we're also going to talk about this story with mckenzie phillips gets stranger and stranger. she's making more allegations of abuse by her father, john phillips. of course, lead singer of the momma's and poppa's.

one of his ex-wives is coming out and saying, you lie!

tonight, a famous father's desperate fight to keep his son alive. heartbreaking details from the death of jett travolta. john travolta took the stand in the bahamas and described in vivid detail how he desperately performed cpr and rushed his son to the hospital. two people are accused of trying to extort $25 million from the hollywood legend during his darkest hour. will travolta's testimony be enough to will be them up? bombshell developments in the search for little haleigh cummings. shocking claims this child may have overdosed on oxy cotin.

all this, according to an alleged letter written by a family friend. misty failed polygraph tests in the past, but is this new evidence credible? also, a man has come forward and claims to be jaycee's biological father. could he provide us new insight? plus, let the backlash begin. just one day after mackenzie phillips spilled her guts on oprah, her stepmom calling the former sitcom star a liar. mackenzie claims she and her father, john, had an affair. now mackenzie says she had an abortion because she wasn't sure if the baby belonged to her dad. so who is telling the truth here? and why did mackenzie wait this long to write her tell-all book? "issues" starts now. tonight, john travolta bares

his soul and makes a shocking admission, all under oath. john travolta, the star witness, testifying against two alleged low-life extortionists in the bahamas. prosecutors say a former senator, senator of the bahamas and a paramedic tried to squeeze $25 million from the superstar in the wake of his 16-year-old son's tragic death. jett,s who med call condition has always been the subject of debate, died of a seizure in january. in court, john travolta came right out and said it. "yes, my son was autistic." travolta's first public revelation included tearful testimony about watching his son die before his eyes. "i saw him on the bathroom floor. we continued cpr and my wife was holding his head." in another shocker, reports that secret police videos exposing the alleged extortion plot, the

tape shot weeks after jett's death, shows the paramedic, tarino lightbourn, facing off. the blackmail scheme travolta would pay millions to keep a refusal to transport document out of the public eye. now, here's how it apparently went down. travolta's rep said what we're doing is a criminal offense. the paramedic said yes. >> when was this conspiracy hatched any way? paramedic lightbourn seen here on tmz, talked to abc's "good morning america" seen after jett's death before we knew anything at all about any scheme. >> i saw him leaning over, hugged his son, kissed him, told him he loved him, told him, i

did everything he could. i saw love in his eyes. he then turned to me, gave me a hug and said you guys did a wonderful job. >> tonight's big issue, did the tragedy of jett's death and the pressure from this awful extortion drama snap john travolta out of denial about his son's autism? i want to hear from you about that. straight out to my panel, janie weintraub. thomas rufkin. dr. kareem, psychiatrist. addiction specialist, director of the control center in beverly hills and assistant clinical professor. but first, to jean casarez,

correspondent at "in session." tell us about the secret videotape that cops say caught blackmailers in the act. >> you can imagine to have a videotape inside a trial. this is huge for the prosecution and the defense is trying to get it suppressed. you've got that former senator/attorney actually negotiating with john travolta's representative, and you're right, john travolta's representative is going to be the one contenting to all of this, that is a party to it. not actually, but criminal activity can be documented. then negotiating a sum that the paramedic wants to keep this document undisclosed from the public. not only did we hear amounts wantered back and forth, but we hear travolta's representative say, this is a crime. so we know knowledge of criminality is important in bahamian law. this is critical evidence for the prosecution.

>> janie weintraub, i have to ask, if they got it all on tape, why do they need anything else? why do they need john travolta or anybody else to testify? it's on tape, caught. >> we're not sure exactly what was on tape and how it was taped. whenever there's a tape recording or video tape, the legal issues are simple. you can't deny what's happening but what you can question is whether or not it was entrapment, number one. whether or not, they were predisposed to commit the crime, what exactly what was said. and number two, was it taken out of context? in other words, we don't have the videotape, the entire transcript. >> guess what? i've got some of the transcript and i'm going to read it right now. radaronline got ahold of transcripts. check this out -- travolta's rep says --

>> >> now, this document in question is this refusal to transport paper. travolta says i signed nit the heat of the moment because he wanted to go to the airport and fly his son back to the states. thomas, what doesn't make sense about this sfwir case is that refusal to transport document is not blackmail document. they should public it and nobody would care at all. >> that's exactly right. videotapes are going to be very telling in this court and people love it in advent of "csi" and "law and order" they love to hear audio recordings. it really makes the prosecution case and ties them to those tapes. >> now, i got to say, russell,

you're the pop culture expert. but i have to call these paramedics the paramedics from hell. travolta told the jurors it took 35 to 40 minutes for the ambulance to arrive. and somewhere along the line they decided we're going to stop and switch ambulances and they moved this poor kid out of one ambulance and put him in another and let the journey continue again. this at a moment where every single second counts. then after all this, they have the audacity to allegedly try to blackmail the star. >> yeah, jane. you would think the power of celebrity would be a good resource here. but like we saw in the michael jackson case, where they called 911 and didn't say it was michael jackson. so that doesn't seem to be helping people out. it is john travolta and you were talking about before why is he testifying when it's video? it's because it's john travolta. if you can have a celebrity present, it can make all the difference.

so celebrity has pros and cons, jane. >> reef kareem, is this a carthis for john travolta? >> it is. this is an intense grieving process. we're looking here at a seizure disorder which, at least in this case, seems to be about 30% of the time linked to autism. it does happen, and in this case the son needed to be taken to the hospital at a very quick pace in order to see where this epileptic activity is occurring in the brain. this is a very sad base and will make it much harder for mr. travolta to deal with this. >> we'll talk about tonight's big issue, namely did the tragedy of jett's death and the

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about john travolta's appearance as a star witness in this case. tonight's issue, did the tragedy of jett's death and the pressure from this awful extortion drama snap john travolta out of denial about his son's autism? here's the devoted dad talking about his son to abc news in 2001. >> i probably cried harder and hef jer than i ever cried in my life. i didn't know what i was going to do because i never felt that level of love for another human being. you know, and there it was, my baby. my son, he's 2 1/2 and i can handle death and i can handle people dying. but my baby, it was just, forget it. >> our heart goes out to him, obviously. john's brother, joey, has long been an advocate for people with autism. he runs a film camp for autistic kids. but until now, john travolta has reportedly insisted that jett was not autistic.

there was talk of a rare disease. but what caused him to admit it? dr. kareem, what caused him, you think, to do this 180 on this controversy of autism? >> yeah, you know, i'm not going to get into exactly why he didn't talk about autism in the first place. i can say that a lot of parents are in denial about their son's medical illness. a lot of people don't want to see it. the reality is, what is autism? it's a brain development disorder, impaired communication, repetitive behavior. it means that your son is going to act out. he's not going to be the son that you want in a lot of social situations. a lot of autistic kids do very well in other ways. and a lot of the times you want to keep it quiet. you don't want to mention it. why should you tell people what's going on with your son? >> there's one other possibility. john travolta and kelly preston

are well known scientologists. their beliefs and their practices have been the subject of some controversy, especially as they relate to autism. a former scientology minister was interviewed. listen to this. >> the only reason a person can get ill is because they are in some way connected to a suppressive person. and a suppressive person is someone, mainly someone who is opposed to scientology. it's really a big deal. so how the travoltas dealt with a chronic illness in the family, i'm not sure how they would have been able to explain it. >> look, i'm a big believer in religious beliefs, i'm not going to challenge anybody's beliefs, but we're talking about giving the considerable pressure, allegedly, to keep this sort of under wraps, did travolta take a risk by make thing admission. or jean casarez, did the need to see justice done trump his religious beliefs at the end of

the day? >> i think possibly it also had privacy concerns up to this point. when you're on the stand, you are sworn to tell the truth. the question was asked, he responded in the answer. remember, he didn't have to testify or go to the bahamas. so he supports this prosecution. >> lea, west virginia, your question or thought, ma'am? >> caller: our daughter is autistic and suffers from seizure and also an insulin dependent diabetic. this child has taught us so very much about love and increased our aptitude for patience and added so very much to our lives. i can't tell you how hurtful it is that they lost someone so special in their lives. but these children work so hard for every little thing that they achieve, and they celebrate everything that they can

possibly accomplish. >> may can ask you a question, ma'am -- did you ever have any concerns about revealing that your child was awetist snik. >> caller: her father did. he wanted her to be completely included in school and i was fearful that she would fall down in school. and eventually i lost custody because i preferred -- i wanted to home school her. >> well, lea, i want to thank you -- >> caller: i was lnlts to thank you for standing out and showing the world that addicting and alcoholics are not the bizarre homeless person that many, many of us -- and this whole business with mackenzie phillips has shined a great deal on my own personal problems. >> well, i wish you the very best, ma'am. we're going to talk about mackenzie phillips later on. hang in there and watch because we have interesting information. but i thought that caller, jean casarez, was absolutely on the nose, that these children are so wonderful and they are really

gifted in so many other ways that an average child is. why not celebrate that from the get-go? why keep it under wraps? >> i think it has to do with the religion and i think it's a personal decision. remember, he was still basically a little boy and maybe the family had just not made the decision yet to go forward with it. maybe to protect him. >> yeah, and jane, also with autistic kids, a lot of them have incredible talents that are not seen, they're not evident unless they are expressed. which is why it's important that autistic kids are being trained, supervised, educated to express their specific talents that aren't necessarily day-to-day talents that the average kid has. >> janie weintraub, i think jean casarez did the nail on the head when he said it's a court of law, you have to tell the truth. so when he was asked what did your son suffer from, he had to say it.

>> jane, i want to say how much john travolta should be applauded for voluntarily going to the bahamas to testify. he couldn't be forced or compelled to go to the bahamas, another country. but also, it says something for the celebrities to stand up and fight back. and not to be exploited or have their family's privacy exploited. i think what happened here was reprehensible, if in fact the allegations are true. i applaud john travolta fighting back. >> thomas, final word. >> jane, i think that also john travolta wanted to bring autism to the forefront. and i applaud him for doing that. i think it will help autistic children and help the parents not hide it. >> yeah, okay. russell, five seconds. >> what i was going to say is it's the exact opposite. he had all these years to bring light to it. this could have been a real educational moment all these years. a celebrity getting behind a

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breaking news tonight in the haleigh cummings case. did the little girl accidently overdose? we've got a copy of a letter that places misty cummings and little haleigh at a wild drug fueled party the night she disappeared. here's what a friend of misty's friend wrote -- >> the author of the letter says she's just paraphrasing, a theory police got from somebody else. the writer claims the whole story is a big lie. as for the pond in question, police drained a pond last

weekend and say they didn't find any evidence. meantime, "issues" has just learned that a nationwide warrant has been issued for misty's mom, of all people. lisa croslin is wanted on forgery charges in tennessee. this is unbelievable. seems like everybody in this case is in trouble with the law. welcome back, janie weintraub. cops putting the squeeze on misty finally to come clean? >> that's what it appears to be. it is mind blowing that the police didn't know this before, because they had telephone records. i don't understand why they couldn't have seen that ron, the father, was calling the house 20 times and that the brother said misty wasn't there and he went over there. >> everybody thought for a long time that she wasn't there, quite possibly. but it was -- the question was, where was she and with whom? now, this party theory is in sharp contrast to what misty claimed happened that very night. listen to what she says.

>> i put her to bed about 8:00 and i woke up and she was gone. the back door was wide open. that's the last time i seen her. >> were y'all in the same bed? >> no. she was in her bed. >> wow, she's lying there. she deserves some kind of acting award. that's quite a performance. >> on the other hand, the writer of the letter, that's the kind of person that i cross examine every day in court. the person looking for the benefit of a bargain. we don't have the body to compare, we don't know if she's dead, if she did die, what's the autopsy going to reveal. is drugs there or not? it's going to take a while to play out, if ever. >> if she died at a party, wouldn't it have come out already? a party, a party means people. >> these people in jail that

write letters to police wanting to get a benefit and that's all it is. and they're striking up controversy and i don't believe it just based on the letter at all. >> something had to happen. >> they searched the pond and -- >> there's a lot of ponds down there in florida. there's a pond every couple blocks. who knows what pond? >> they searched the pond apparently that the letter referred to near the house. all i can say is i just wouldn't go with this credibility so fast. and i would also like to know what the person is in jail for. what is she looking for? and how did she know? how long has she been in custody? why is she talking now? >> i have to say this, i think that everybody in this case who knows misty is being used as a pawn. her friends, her family, they're all being locked up one after another to put the squeeze on little ole misty and to break her. thank you very much, janie. up next, is the man claiming

to be jaycee dugard's biological dad telling the truth?

a bizarre twist in the jaycee dugard case. a man has come forward and claims to be jaycee's biological father. is this guy for real? why is he coming out of the woodwork now and could he provide us with new insight into jaycee's life and captivity? plus, let the backlash begin. one day after mackenzie phillips spilled her guts, her stepmom is calling her a liar. mackenzie now claims she had aban abortion because she wasn't sure if the baby belonged to her father, with whom she insists she had an incestuous affair. who is telling the truth here?

tonight, another emotional jolt to jaycee dugard's fragile new life, just weeks after she was released from 18 long years of captivity. a 63-year-old man claims he is her biological father. listen to this one. >> we understand and respect that she and the children have suffered greatly and may need time before being reunited. however, we are reaching out today and hoping and praying that she will hear us and take the first step in helping confirm that she is my daughter. >> ken slayton claims she and jaycee's mom had a brief relationship in 1979. no one in the dugard has responded. if this guy is her father, why go public at this very sensitive time for jaycee? the dugard's attorney says they haven't heard from him

privately. why not? think of how emotional this bombshell was for jaycee. we're also learning that jaycee plans to testify against her alleged rapist and captor, phillip garrido. is jaycee comes to grips with the existence she and her daughter endured? a new law enforcement incompetence shocker. reports that phillip garrido didn't register as a sex offender in california until 1999. even though he was convicted of rape and kidnap in 1977. why wasn't this glaring omission caught? back with my panel, let's start with this man who says he's jaycee's dad. dr. kareem, is it a loving thing to do to drop a bombshell like this on jaycee dugard now, telling her hey, i'm your dad, when she's dealing with enough

trauma for several lifetimes already? >> how much more can this poor girl endure? this is all about reality testing. it's about reintegrating into society. she had societal deprivation. everything that she knew was different than what's going on in reality. so trust, getting back into society, learning her identity, learning how to live a life and get past all of this emotional trauma that's going to take a ton of therapy to do is standing in front of her. this is just going to confuse her. this is confusing ut. and it will stand in the way of good therapeutic work she's probably going to endure. >> you have to ask what's next. go ahead. >> this is absurd. this guy can't be a father. i can tell you something, jane, no father, as you were saying, would put on their daughter right now any more stress or anymore emotional drama to go to

go through. and this is a guy who absolutely absconded responsibility -- >> wait, wait. we weren't there way back in 1979. we don't know what happened. you know, these kinds of things happen all the time. i don't think we need to demonize him. i just think we've got to question his timing. that's the theme of tonight's "issues" show. slayton's attorney, gloria allred, says that he's considering legal action if he's refused the opportunity to take a paternity test to prove his theory. >> she's 29 years old. we're not talking about a child. >> let's listen to this for a second. >> even though my friend indicated that susan department want me in her life, i did make an effort to contact her but was not successful.

i've had many nightmares over the years wondering if i could have done more to help susan and the baby. >> so look, thomas, i'm not a scientist but it seems obvious to determine whether he's really the dad he would need the cooperation of jaycee or the children. would it be wise to cooperate at this juncture or say no, take legal action against me? >> what's the purpose? if i was representing the dugard family, i would say no. why do you want to come into my life, so you can write a book or something? i don't understand it and i don't understand why he's coming out now. it seems like too little too late. >> jaycee is apparently prepared to help put her kidnaps behind bars. here's what her attorney said -- >> i think she very clearly understands that some very bad and terrible things were done to her and the people that

committed those crimes need to be held accountable. >> this is amazing. i mean, she was obviously traumatized. originally she was almost defending garrido. now it teams like the brainwashing is wearing off and she's coming to terms with this horror that was inflicted on her and maybe getting a little angry, we hope. >> yeah, the -- some people are talking about stockholm syndrome here, which is where you start bonding with your captors, because they're kind of taking care of you. it ends up having a perceived threat that they might hurt you, a perceived sense of lack of escape in a situation. and random acts of kindness that they gave you. so you're in this bubble where your sense of survival, as sick as this is, is idealized by your captors. >> but it's rubbing off now.

>> so your get yourself out of that situation and slowly, with therapy, with help, with reintegration, with reality and the truth, you slowly get out of that meantal state. >> janie weintraub, one other thing that drove me crazy. it appears garrido didn't register as a sex offender in california until 1999, despite his 1977 convictions in nevada for kidnapping and rape. can you believe that? >> i think these where the problem is. in the '70s, i don't think there was a registration law in california that was in place. i know that it wasn't in place in florida at that time. so i'm sure it wasn't a matter of falling through the cracks. >> they had that house since 1991, okay? so at least in 1991, somebody should have done some kind of calculation to see there's a registered sex offender living there. let's register them in california's registry and we would have known to look for him

maybe when those kids disappeared or after those kids disappeared. >> it is a domino effect from the probation department through corrections in california. but the registration issue is a whole other bag of worms. >> yeah, well, whatever. it's just one more piece of incompetence in this mess, physically and other ways. up next, the convicted killer who was on the run for three days tells us now on camera why his escape was just not adventure in his life. then the daughter of a rock legend says she had sexual relations with her dad. you don't want to miss her bone-chilling story. it gets stranger and stranger. we're taking your calls on this incest story. do you believe her? we have a very, very exciting edition next week. "the joy behar show" will air

right here at 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on hln. here is a little taste of what you're going to be getting. her moment of joy commentary. >> this season we have the season premiere of "dancing with the stars." from the beginning it was fabulous. who was sitting with marie? jermaine jackson. the man is everywhere. he's like smog. my favorite confess tent this year is tom delay, who may soon be dancing behind bars. he was wearing a tiny brown vest with glitter. at the beginning of the show, he seemed uncomfortable sitting there with all those gay men. he had that what, am i the only one here under federal indictment look on his face. i don't think a republican has

had that much fun tapping his lows since larry craig worked the men's room in the minneapolis airport. i thought wait until he gets up in front of a real judge. i hope that tom sticks around all season. >> all right, "the joy behar joe" premieres next tuesday at 9:00:eastern. check it out right now.

shock and disgust. the daughter of a rock legend reveals her dark and secret past with her alleged rapist dad. but first, top of the block tonight.

a criminally insane killer who escaped from a county fair last week is ha, ha, ha laughing about the whole thing. convicted and hospitalize more than 20 years ago for killing a woman, he says he's sorry for taking off during amential hospital field trip. listen as paul tells our affiliate khq why he decided to run off. >> you know they're going to catch up with you, but when, where, if they're going to kill you or what, i've always been an adventure person. i worked in alaska as a long shoreman, so it was really tough to be -- to live in a mental institution all these years. >> tough? tough for you? what about the woman you killed and the people at the county fair terrified by your little stunt? look at the kid there. thankfully paul was captured

without incident. his escape prompted the resignation of a very embarrassed hospital ceo. good. and that is tonight's "top of the block." revolting bombshell secrets revealed by former tv star mackenzie phillips. she says she had sex with her own dad. she says she passed out and woke up to her father, john phillips, raping her. >> i woke up that night from a blackout to find myself having sex with my own father. your father is supposed to protect you. your father is supposed to protect you. not [ bleep ] you. >> mackenzie says it begin a consensual sexual relationship, telling oprah it only ended after a horrifying discovery. >> i came up pregnant, and i did not know who the father was. the implication, the reality of

that, i had an abortion. and i never let him touch me again. >> today, two of her dad's ex-wives say, you lie! michelle phillips tells "us" week ly -- so is this story the truth? my question, is mackenzie sober right now? she says she is. if she's sober, i don't think she'd make this up. if she's using, she could make something like this up. straight out to my expert panel, senior editor of "us week" weekly. but we have to begin with dr. reef kareem. does mackenzie seem sober to you in that interview? >> yeah, jane, i think you nailed it. i'm impressed with your insight

there. >> thank you. >> that was my question. the first time i heard this, she has a history of relapsing, and the constant battle in an addict, you've got your brain, your frontal lobe of your brain and you have this inside area. your frontal lobe says what's right, what's wrong, let's figure stuff out and the other side says, give me drugs, give me drugs. so you have this constant battle. and if you're not sober or in recovery, your limbic side is saying get me drugs, get me anything and you'll lie and cheat and steal. your frontal lobe battles that out all the time. if she's not sober and still going through all of this stuff, any of this could be made up. or she could be sober and it should be fine. >> listen, if she's sober, it's only about a year, because it was just over a year ago that she was arrested, ian drew, on

charges of very serious drug possession, cocaine and heroin. >> exactly. i interviewed china for our interview this week, and she says she believes her because why would anyone make this up and call her and this was something that she revealed to certain family members earlier. but i'm hearing from inside sources now that beju phillips doesn't believe her. michelle phillips told us she didn't believe her. so everyone is pretty divided because she has had this rocky road and she is on and off all the time, just as the doctor said. >> these claims have polarized her extended family. but michelle's daughter,

mackenzie's sister, china phillips, says i do believe her, and as you just heard, china is telling us weekly she knows it's true. she told oprah she was their dad's only victim. listen to this -- >> i know for a fact that i'm the only daughter that this happened to. i don't know why he chose me to visit his demons upon. i don't know that. i wish that he were here, still alive. >> would you have told the story if he were alive? >> that i don't know about. probably. >> china and mackenzie will appear together on tomorrow's oprah. i have to say, russell, are you watching this train wreck with horror? this is a family being torn apart and spilling on television what i think should be dealt with in a group family therapy session. >> i'm definitely watching, you know, and mackenzie better know her oprah history. if she's not telling the truth,

you go back to james frey, when he told a lie about his book, she better tell the truth because oprah will not have it. >> oh, yeah. absolutely. we all remember how furious, how furious she was to get duped in that instance that you just mentioned. >> i'm really glad -- >> here's the problem. you can't tell whether she's telling the truth, because the man she's talking about has been dead for eight long years and as a song once said, nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors. mackenzie phillips talks about her father's well documented drug abuse. children of addicts and alcoholics often inherit their parent's addiction. this is national recovery month. a great time to get sober. in my new book, i talk about my own father's alcoholism and how it influenced me to drink excessively. i finally got sober more than 14

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i went to my father and i said look, we snead to talk about how you raped me. and my dad said, raped you? don't you mean when we made love? and in that moment, i thought wow, i'm really on my own here. >> mackenzie phillips on the oprah winfrey show. by the way, at about 5:00 i went on amazon.com, "pie on arrival" mackenzie's book, anybody want to take a guess where it is on

amazon best seller list? number three. ian, do you think this could be playing out if john phillips were alive? >> who knows? it depends on where their relationship was at this point and where he was. he was a full-blown addict as we no too. so if he was under the influence, he might have enjoyed this. he might have liked it, from the relationship the way she describes it, i wouldn't be surprised by that. >> i do think drugs is at the heart of this whole story, because when somebody does drugs, they become capable of incomprehensible things so we're more likely to believe something like this. mackenzie's book "high on arrival" makes more revelations about her dad's drug use. listen to this. >> i was probably 16 or 17, and my father shot me up for the first time. >> yeah, yeah. >> and i remember going into my

room and i was crouched on the floor, i was trying to -- >> you said tie me off or something. >> yeah, he tied me off. >> we all hear in recovery such stories, but this one is right up there. >> this is awful. i mean, if this is true, dad is functioning as a role model of how to be an addict. functioning as an enabler. and functioning as the dealer. and functioning as someone who is taking advantage of her. come on, this is crazy. and it just shows you how deep and how bad addiction can penetrate a family and an individual's life and how it can take somebody down. this is really sad. >> what kills me is that i love the momma's and poppa's and their music and i'll never be able to listen to it the same way again. i will always think of this story. >> yeah, that's the problem here. he's not alive to defend himself

and you will connect him and his music with this situation. here's the thing, jane, given the loose household and the nature of all the stuff that was going on, i find it hard to believe there aren't some people out there that can't back this story up, at least many aspects of it. i don't think that two people on drugs like they were were able to keep this such a secret. >> ian drew, come on. we know in hollywood, the strangest things happen. and we know so many stories we can't report because we just don't have that final verification but we know it's true. >> we have one witness who is alive, mick jagger. she talks about that in the book, how he was there, he was part of this whole group and -- so where's mr. jagger? >> has he talked? >> he has not talked yet. but this just came out two days

ago. >> don't mess with mick jagger, because he could come out in a bag way, slamming the hammer down on mackenzie. thank you, fabulous panel. you're watching "issues." ppp@

breaking news tonight, satsuma, florida, a 5-year-old little girl tucked into bed, five hours later, she's gone, vanished. the back door propped wide open. daddy comes home from the night shift to find not a trace of little haleigh. bombshell, tonight police issue a warrant for the arrest of croslin's mother, charge -- felony forgery. is this a police try to get the truth about haleigh from misty croslin's own mother? she's already publicly stated her daughter hasn't come clean

about the night haleigh vanishes and a letter emerges in the search for haleigh. outlining details of a party the night haleigh goes missing. a party fueled by drugs. at the party, misty croslin. with her? little haleigh. reports that night, little haleigh accidentally ingests a heavy-duty painkiller, oxycontin and died. we have the letter. this, as new stepmother misty croslin skips town after a bitter fight with haleigh's father, ronald cummings. croslin's brother thrown behind bars on a gun charge leading to another break in the case. in a late-night jailhouse interrogation, the brother finally confesses. he goes to haleigh's house the night she goes missing. pounds on the door, repeatedly. nobody home. phone records confirm, ronald cummings tries desperately to reach croslin that night. no answer. where was

girlfriend-turned-stepmother misty croslin during those crucial hours when haleigh goes missing? investigators focus on a heavily wooded area draining a local pond in connection with haleigh. as girlfriend-turned-stepmother, misty croslin flunked another polygraph. tonight, where is haleigh? >> i just want everybody to know that i didn't do anything with that little girl. i loved her like she's my own. and i'll do anything to get her back. >> did haleigh cummings die from an overdose of oxycontin? a letter obtained allegedly from a friend of misty croslin claims that haleigh got her hands on the powerful narcotic while at a party with misty and her friends the night of the disappearance. >> this is not anything that someone from the jail is trying to go to the police with and make a deal with and get a free pass out of jail. this is a letter that has arisen and has emerged and was not necessarily for the eyes of the police. >> the letter claims police were given a sworn affidavit by a

friend of misty's that states misty haleigh and a group of friends were partying at the friend's home the night of the disappearance. when haleigh overdosed the friends panicked, shoved haleigh's body in a black bag and tossed her in a nearby pond. >> ronald, has the theory that misty lefthe home sometime during the night been disproved? >> i'm not sure. i believe that it has, nancy. i'm almost 100% sure, but i wouldn't tell you that and lie to you. >> police are denying any friend have come forward making these allegations and are said to be completely ignoring the letter. all of misty's friends have reportedly been cleared and there are still no suspects in the case. >> hopefully, this will rattle the cage that misty's in right now. since she took off from home. because i think she is still holding the key to where little haleigh is. >> i have faith in god to take care of my baby girl and find her. and i don't care who had

something to do with it. those are the people who need to be put away. >> and tonight, live to connecticut, in the sudden disappearance of a gorgeous young ivy league doctoral student just as she's set to walk down the aisle. the 24-year-old beauty last spotted on grainy surveillance video walking into a yale research building. a false fire alarm mysteriously goes off in the building. people rush out. annie le never seen again. at nearly the exact hour, le's set to walk down the aisle, wedding dress on a hanger in the closet, flowers ordered. the girl's body found stuffed in a two-foot wall cable space there at yale's research building. early-morning hours, police storm a super 8 motel to arrest 24-year-old lab tech raymond clark on murder one. tonight, police close down the

yale research building again. new evidence discovered. plumbers, plumbers, not the police, the plumber discovers evidence shoved down a washroom drain there in the basement where mice cages cleaned by murder suspect raymond clark. and clark's alleged history of stalking, threatening, harassing women resurfaces. former girlfriend reveals clark's a control freak. lashing out. dictating what she said, where she goes, even what she wears. we have the video. was this a senseless and brutal murder over laboratory mice cages? and another twist, was suspect raymond clark fueled by steroids?

with a community and a university reeling, a family grieving, a young groom left at the altar with a broken heart, tonight we want justice for 24-year-old bride-to-be annie le. >> this is not a street crime. it was not a domestic crime. it's a workplace crime. >> looking at the -- attitude may have lead to a deadly confrontation. >> annie le was strangled in the lab where he worked. clark who also works there is charged with doing it. then trying to hide her body in a wall in the lab ice basement. >> reports showing that dna from accused murderer raymond clark ii was found in both the ceiling and the tiny crawl space where le's body was uncovered sunday. according to reports, police

observed clark trying to hide lab cleaning equipment containing blood spatters. a law enforcement official told the "hartford current" that was spotted in cleaning up areas that le was in shortly before reported missing. >> co-workers tell police he's a control freak and also territorial when it came to the lab and the mice that he took care of. >> it's being reported that he maintained the cages and the animals was upset at her, annie le, because she was leaving her cage in disorder or dirty. >> it's being reported that there was a text message warning of the day she went missing asking her to meet with him at the lab. >> arrested and brought into court facing a murder charge at just 24, the police chief makes it clear, the lab where they both worked is where the violence was born. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. police issue a warrant for the arrest of girlfriend-turned-stepmother misty croslin's mother. charge? felony forgery. is this a police try to get the truth about haleigh from croslin's mom? well, will the whole croslin family end up behind bars? everybody except, of course, from misty croslin?

>> was haleigh cummings a victim of a drug overdose? according to a letter allegedly from one of stepmom/baby-sitter misty croslin's friend, haleigh died of an overdose to oxycontin and then her body was thrown into a pond. >> probably from one or two pills, she could have died. and it's possible that she's -- and we see sometimes accidental death. >> the letter states that cops were given a sworn affidavit from a friend of misty's, who claims everyone at the party "freaked out" when the toddler overdosed. >> you can use this as a great source as long as you can corroborate it. so the police can go through every detail. hopefully there will be kernels of information in there that

lead to additional roads. >> police say they're completely ignoring the letter and devying any existing of this alleged sworn photographed misty's friend. >> would love to have a break in this case and we really would not care who. >> you have made an accusation that croslin was on a drug binge. do you have any evidence to support that claim? >> no, i don't. >> then why did you say it? >> it was just a thought. i mean, maybe she was. maybe she wasn't. >> it was just a thought. so you have nothing to support the claim that she was on a drug binge around the time that haleigh goes missing. >> well, there are people that have been questioned that said she was on a drug binge before haleigh went missing. >> straight out to marlaina schiavo. our producer on the story. a mother being thrown behind bars on a forgery count. you know, very often a forgery's a type of a case that's considered, usually, to be

fearly liked. we save jail beds for child molesters, rapers, drug lord, a forgery, is this a police attempt to get the truth out of misty croslin's mother? tell me what's happening. >> that's what we're thinking, nancy. there's a nationwide pick up warrant for misty's mother on a forgery charge. bond is set at $10,000. now, she can pay that bond in tennessee, where she's current living or they're going to extradite her back to florida. >> to t.j. hart. program and news director, wsky, 97.3. what more do we know? when you say forgery, what are we talking about? on a check? was it a home mortgage? what was it? was it trying to get money from the government? was it a sale of a house? what was the document she allegedly forged? >> that is the information i've been trying to glean from law enforcement since i found out about this, this morning and

passed it onto our staff here at hln. but it appears that they want her. they want her back in florida and they want her back in i hurry. >> you know, now this is highly unusual. let's unleash the lawyers. everybody, we're seeing just obtained new family photos of little haleigh in our attempt to try to jog somebody's memory. these are from grandmother teresa neves. a friend of our show. she is the paternal grandmother of little haleigh. let's unleash the lawyers. susan moss, new york. joe lawless philadelphia. lawyer, author, prosecutorial misconduct. and out of miami, bradford cohen. sue moss, mommy behind bars, weigh in. >> well, this mother, you remember, came out against misty and said that she believed that her son was telling the truth and that misty was not, with regard to whether she was home alone -- home with the kids that night. maybe they want to put her in jail so they can ask tough questions about what -- why she

came to such a conclusion. there has to be a reason -- >> yes. >> -- why she turned against misty. >> come on, joe lawless. i know you're on the other side of the fence from me. but i would not use the state's resources to extradite somebody. spend $15,000 to bring somebody home on a $10,000 bond -- charge. sorry. that doesn't make sense to me. so this has got to be a play to get the truth out of her. >> well, we're on the other side of the fence. but remember i was a former prosecutor and where you have a child that's missing and you don't know what's happening you have to bring the witnesses back and it's not a question of how much you spend -- >> right. >> -- it's the result that you can get. >> cowen. >> i don't know if that's true florida. i have practiced in florida for 14 years. >> all the way from another state, they will extradite on a

forgery? >> absolutely. >> i just had one that they took some guy from new york on a third-degree felony and extradited him back to florida. ♪ ♪ so throw your hands in the air, and wave 'em around ♪

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this is the attorney for ronald cummings. haleigh's biological father. he's joining us from st. augustine, florida, a well-known

attorney in the florida region. terry schumaker, thank you for being with us. terry, with all of this swirling around ronald cummings, every time i speak to him, he is staunched in his support of misty croslin's story. but with her brother behind bars, saying he came to the home that evening and she wasn't there. this is when haleigh's going missing that evening. and now the mom's going behind bars. she said she thinks her daughter is not telling the truth. this certainly had to affect him. >> well, it definitely does affect the way he thinks about what's going on. but you have to remember, the phone call to hank jr. was at about 9:00. and he never asked him to go check on -- check on misty and the kids. he just called to see if misty was at their house. as far as misty's mom and the conversations -- or what she's told law enforcement, you know,

she has told him in the past that she believes what misty said. doesn't think that she has anything to do with it. and so he's really kind of -- he's more concerned with why they're changing their stories now, as to what they were saying previously. >> okay, okay. understood. i want to talk to you about the brother, tommy croslin, who is my understanding lives in the same area where police have just conducted an investigation of sorts when there was a, we believe, false sighting of little haleigh. what can you tell me, is he about to get out of jail? and is that a little bit of a coincidence, that he stayed behind bars on a $10,000 bond on a gun argument with a neighbor, and now that he talks to police and is interrogated and gives this information, now his bond has been cut in half. >> yeah, right, his bond has been lowered. tommy croslin actually got out of jail today. we don't know who posted that bond for him. but he is walking out of jail as his mother could be walking into

jail. >> take a listen to what misty croslin's mother, the mom who now has a felony forgery arrest warrant, on her head had to say about misty croslin's story regarding the night haleigh vanishes. >> yes, i think my heart was holding something back. i think they are both holding something back. that's just in my heart. if you know anything at all, please tell me. we can work through it. i'll be right there by your side. we'll get through it. just please tell me whatever you're holding back. >> that was from wosl and that is misty croslin's mother hoping that she will tell everything she knows about the night this little girl vanishes. a 5-year-old lying allegedly asleep in her own bed when the girlfriend wakes up, she says the back door's propped wide open. she doesn't call 911.

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is still very staunchly, firmly believing that this little girl is alive. i hope she's right. joining me right now, t.j. ward, he's the president of investigative consultants international. and he gave that voice analysis to the new stepmother, misty croslin. the last person to see little haleigh alive. t.j. ward, thank you for being with us. explain to us what you learned from, i call it a voice stress test. you call it a layered voice analysis, potato/potato, what did you learn? >> caller: well, thank you, nancy. after running the test completely, i can tell you, in fact that misty knows directly what happened to haleigh. misty knows. i mean, it's very much there. her thinking level is abnormal. she's having to think about what she was talking to me about. i went through all of the way through the day that misty -- before she said she laid misty down in the bed, what she didn't do.

and i believe that she knows the direct -- directly where this child is. i really do in the course of this test. and of course she flunked two polygraphs prior to that, so she flunked our test also i can tell you. but there's extreme stress in in test. and this is not voice stress. i will tell you that. it picks up stress but not only that, but i can see that she's hiding information and she's not talking about everything. >> t.j., i know that you're still working on the case. what are you working on now? >> well, i'm trying to, right now, to see if law enforcement will allow me to come to florida and interview the individuals that are involved in this letter. >> right. >> i've contacted tim miller with equusearch. >> hold on just a moment. let's back up. elie, explain what we're talking about. police have confirmed this is a legitimate theory that they are vetting. >> uh-huh. wait, this is a letter that was written by a friend of misty's, who's in jail. she wrote this letter to her boyfriend saying, you won't believe what police told me.

they say they have a witness who claims we're all at a party the night haleigh went missing. she took some oxycontin and died. >> her and junior were sleeping in my queen-size bed and she was sleeping in the tot bed beside her. three, four feet from her, whatever.

i just got home from work. my little daughter is gone. >> 3:00 in the morning, i got up and i got up because i had to use the bathroom but i didn't make it to the bathroom. i turned the kitchen light on. and i walked in kitchen and the back door is wide open. >> right beside me on my left is the bed where misty croslin was sleeping. and here on the right we had the bed where little haleigh was sleeping. and you can see it is all but about 3 1/2 feet from each other. and this is right where misty said she got up and she had to

go to the bathroom in the middle of the night. >> if i find whoever has my daughter before y'all do, i am killing them. i do not care. i am telling you, you can put on recording and i don't care. >> it's okay, sir. we've got them on the way. can you give me any -- what kind of description of her pajamas that she was wearing? >> i don't know. [ bleep ]. >> people think that i have something do with it. if i had something to do with it if i knew where she was we wouldn't be sitting here today. we'd have her. >> everything she says is, crazy. >> i don't know where she is. >> misty can relieve this pressure by telling her attorney that we need to go down to the sheriff's office and really lay out in clear terms what i was doing from 8:00 p.m. till 3:00 a.m. >> we need is for misty to come down here and tell us the truth. >> i have to leave the investigative part of this to law enforcement. because you know, if i go on every whim and on every accusation, then i'm going to be flipping back and forth in my life. and you know what we stand, you

know -- we just stand for haleigh here. we just want haleigh to come home. and i want them to find whoever this is. and i don't care who it is. but we want haleigh to come home. >> back to the lawyers. susan moss, joe lawless, bradford cohen. apparently, joe lawless, the last time she spoke to cops -- and i'm talking about the misty croslin. the girlfriend turned stepmother. the last person to see haleigh alive. she spoke to cops without a lawyer. she voluntarily spoke to cops without a lawyer. what do you make of it? >> well, it's either someone who didn't do anything or someone who thinks they're smart enough to fool the authorities. i don't know. if she were my client i wouldn't have let her speak to the police until i had a better grip of what was going on here and it's just not clear. >> and susan moss, the reality is, although t.j. ward believes firmly in his voice analysis test to misty croslin, it's not allowed in court.

we get calls every night, she's flunked two polys. why can't she have an arrest warrant? that doesn't stack up in court. it's not enough. >> unfortunately it doesn't -- it's not allowed in court because it doesn't pass what we call the doublert or the fry hearing. meaning it has not gained enough reliability within the expert's community to be reliable. so it's not going in. >> bradford cohen, defense attorney joining us out of miami. you know every time i -- well, almost every time -- i every try a felony, the defendant's mother will be sitting front and center right at behind him or her, probably crying. holding up a bible in the courtroom. in this case, misty croslin's mother has already come out and publicly stated that she believes her daughter is withholding. as a matter of fact, before i get your comment, bradford cohen, take a listen to misty croslin's own mother.

>> yes, i think that my daughter is holding something back. i think they are both holding something back. that's just in my heart. if you know anything at all, please tell me. we can work it through it. i'll be right there by your side. we'll get through it. just please tell me whatever you're holding back. >> okay. bradford cohen, i don't think that she's going to be sitting right behind misty croslin if she ever gets into a courtroom or waving the bible around. of course i'd always get out my own bible and wave it right back at the mother. but long story short, that's not going to help when your own mother is not on your side. >> no. this is like dial "d" for dysfunction. the whole family's -- there's something wrong with the whole family. >> ever think about "t" for truth? >> that's true, too. i mean, it's amazing that everyone in this family has something in terms of some legality going on that the police are arresting the brother, the police are arresting the mother.

anybody who listens to her story doesn't think it makes sense. i don't think that the mom -- >> everybody but ronald cummings. >> i'm shocked. it's amazing that -- maybe it's the love of this woman that is controlling him in terms of not seeing the light, but this story does not make sense. i think everybody except for him understands it doesn't make sense. i don't even know. maybe the mother will be supporting the daughter at a possible trial. who knows what is going on here. >> to dr. bethany marshall. psychoanalyst. author of "deal breakers." what do you think about the guide within the family? >> well, it's very typical in dysfunctional families that the parent chooses one child to love and one child to be unsupportive of. so the mother may support their son but not the daughter. >> the attorney's minds that maybe she doesn't believe the daughter's story and it has nothing to do with tangled up snakes in their heads, as you would suggest that she really doesn't believe her story. >> nancy, could i suggest that the mother says, i think she's hiding something.

then she says, i think they're hiding something. and maybe the mother has some culpability in this case. and because of that, she's trying to distance herself from both of them. in a sense, saving her own stand at her daughter's expense. not that she has overt culpability but that she's been contributing to a pattern of neglect and she does not want that exposed. >> okay, we are talking about the mother of misty croslin who spoke to local affiliate wosl. and in that interview she states very clearly she believes her own daughter is hiding something. take a listen. this is what we're talking about. >> deep down in my heart, yes, i think that my daughter's holding something back. i think they are both holding something back. that's just in my heart. i'm going to tell her i love her and if you know anything at all, please tell me. i mean, we can work through it. i'll be right there by your side.

we'll get through it. but just please tell me, whatever you're holding back. >> that is from wofl. to tom shamshack, former police chief and now private investigator and instructor at boston university. is this a police ploy? the brother has been thrown behind bars. his bond was cut in half once he spoke to police in the late-night interrogation. and now croslin's mother has a warrant for her arrest on her head. >> good evening, nancy. nancy, this is a typical police investigative measure. to bring people in. they're a captive audience. and now they can be confronted with inconsistencies and really drilled about the matter at hand. and here, i'm not surprised whatsoever that law enforcement is reaching out and using every opportunity to isolate this family and to, again, drill them for information. >> and very quickly, to dr. jennifer schrubb, pediatrician and editor of "baby child health."

would one oxycontin kill a 39-pound little girl or two oxycontin pills. >> yeah, actually it could, nancy. oxycontin, 7.5 times stronger than codeine. each the smallest tab let could cause a child like that to stop breathing and die. >> editor of "baby and child help." right now as we go to break, a big welcome to joy behar coming to hln. this is last night's launch party for joy's show. president ken was there. don't worry, i had already bathed the twins. they were home asleep with daddy while mommy celebrated with joy and her new show. kickoff, this tuesday september 29. 9:00 p.m., sharp. welcome, friend.

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really truly knows the motive in this crime is the suspect. what made him do what he did -- and we may not know till trial, we may never know. >> police began to follow raymond clark iii just after yale graduate student annie le went missing. according to the detective's documentation, on saturday four days after le went miss, clark spent time with his family in cromwell, on sunday he went down to new haven to play softball and detectives watched from the stands. on monday detectives decided to be more overt. that's when clark seemed to realize he was being watched. and began to turn off his lights and pull down his apartment shades. the next night police took him from his middleton apartment to meriddon where he submitted dna. wednesday he spent time in a cromwell hotel with family. morning of the 17th clark was arrested and arraigned in new haven superior court and transferred to macdougal walker correctional institution. >> right now straight out to jean casarez, legal

correspondent with "in session." jean, the plumber, the plumber? rosy the plumber is back and she's down there in the washroom at yale's university -- yale university's research building and she, the plumber, finds evidence in a murder case? what happened to the police? >> well, it sounds like they had to have a plumber go to that lab room. that's right, nancy, the investigation continues in new haven. new haven police were back at the lab building. and a plumber had to go in with them, and including forensic technicians to find what they are not saying on the record as evidence, but employees at the lab building are telling the new haven register that it may be medical scrubs that were found shoved down and inside a drain in the wash basin area. >> well, jean casarez, i can guarantee you this, it's not just medical scrubs. those scrubs have got to have something on them, something

incriminating on them. because why else would someone shove them down a drain? >> definitely. and, nancy, can medical scrubs even be shoved down a drain? i think that's a question, too. and another question, nancy, there could be a murder weapon in this case. she died from traumatic asphyxiation by neck compression. we don't know if that was manual, by hand, or by some ligiture or something else that could possibly be found somewhere. >> are you suggesting that this could be a ligiture for the strangulation of 24-year-old annie le? >> i think that anything is possible but it's something that something physically had to be able to get down a drain, which can be quite narrow. >> ask you this, go to our producer on the story from the very beginning. rupa, did police call the plumber? or did the plumber come because they were having a problem with the drain? >> nancy, it isn't very clear why or how -- who called police to come but they were there all

day long, according to employees of the amistad building and when i spoke with police yesterday they made it very clear that it was considered a crime scene area that they were searching, and this is the washroom of the basement where the animals were kept. where annie le's body was found. >> back to jean casarez, legal correspondent with "in session." okay, jean, help me visualize this is the bathroom or the washroom where, and what do you know, jean, did the police call the plumber? can i give them credit for that? or was the plumber called because they had a problem with the drain? >> let's look at the facts. we reported yesterday that the forensic investigators and the new haven police were there at the lab in the wash basin area. we didn't hear anything about a plumber, but today we're hearing about a plumber. so common sense tells me, nancy, they had to call the plumber. >> well, what about this, jean. didn't police close it in, in the crime scene investigation before yesterday and then they came back? >>y, they did.

they did and when they came back, nancy, it was open. >> hey, hey, i trumped you, jean. because i get what you're saying. but police had already finished the crime scene investigation. >> that's what they said. >> they left. everything back to normal. people could go in and out of the building. that tells me somebody had a problem with the drain in the washroom where this murder may have taken place. and -- and that led police and plumber back out. police missed it. that's what it says to me. >> possibly, but what if someone had trouble with the drain and was smart enough to call police instead of a plumber and the police and investigators came out first? >> well, i agree. but my point, jean casarez, is you'd think in every murder investigation, and, jean, you've covered so many, when there is a bathroom around, you check the drains, you check the shower. you check the sinks.

you check the commode. if there's a washing machine, you check the washing machines. why? because if you flush, dispose, shove bloody evidence down a drain, blood can be obtained. dna can be obtained out of a drain. jean? >> that is very true, nancy. but, nancy, how long was that basement open for people to go in and out? it was not designated a crime scene. when it finally was designated a crime scene, it was reopened very quickly, nancy. how long would it take to check all of those things you're saying? i don't think it was done. >> i don't think it was done either, rupa. what can you tell me? >> basically what we know, nancy, is when annie le first went missing, we know that people were going in and out of this later that was later named a crime scene for five or six days. now they were still able to pull out evidence, amazing evidence that dna evidence that allowed thom make an arrest.

so the police have always said that this investigation has been ongoing and open and they are continuing even after the arrests -- >> rupa, i appreciate that. however, that's not my question. susan moss, joe lawless, bradford cohen. susan moss, do you get where i'm going? they finished the investigation. they left. the crime lab techs, the crime scene tech, the police, they left. they open the building back up for general use. then suddenly, evidence is found by somebody shoved down a drain in the room, in the washroom where the mice cages were cleaned. that's what the suspect did for a living in that washroom. >> they missed it. just like as soon as they knew that this woman was gone and the last place she was was this lab, they didn't immediately close down this lab and search every inch of that huge building. once again they made a mistake, but this guy, there's nothing dumber than leaving evidence that could be found by a plumber. i mean this guy may work at yale

but he's no genius. he's going to convict himself because of all of the clues he's leaving behind. >> listen, joe lawless, i am the police, the sheriff's biggest supporter. they are the ones that found the evidence that led to an arrest in this case, okay? however, what i'm worried about, this is what i'm worried about, the crime scene was closed down. it was reopened. now they find evidence shoved down a drain? at trial the defense can argue the scene was so contaminated, so open to the general public, anybody could have done that. it may not be able to be linked back to the defendant. >> and that's precisely what's going to happen. they're going to argue one of two things. either the real killer tried to plant evidence that is in some way related to clark to try to frame him, or the police took evidence that links clark to the scene and planted it to try to bolster an otherwise weak case.

>> bradford cohen, weigh in. >> yeah, 100%. he's 100% correct. the problem is that they missed this. it's very obvious to me that they missed it and that's the one place that they should go look immediately is the drains, the bathrooms, everything you said. i actually agree with you for this one time. bathrooms, everything he said. i actually agree with you for this one time. but don't take advantage of it. >> i will not take it as a compliment. dr. bethany marshall, what do you make of the frantic clean up the suspect apparently did? >> it seems that he may have been subconsciously thinking of killing this girl, so after he had this rape attack, he had to cover up. but he has four of the major risk factors, substance abuse, steroid abuse, history of violence against women, perception of loss of control, and perception of financial inequity. those are the four risk factors and based on your reporting, it seems like he has all four. ever worn your clothes in the shower?

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this was not a street crime. it was not a domestic crime. it was a workplace crime. >> police looking into whether clark's attitude may have led to a deadly confrontation. >> annie le was strangled to death in the lab where she worked. clark is charged with doing it and trying to hide her body behind a wall in the lab's basement. >> new haven police chief says his detectives had eyes on 24-year-old raymond clark as soon as yale police turned over their investigation to him. he's accused of strangling le and then stuffing her 90-pound body into a basement wall. >> back to jean casarez, legal correspondent, "in session."

about the allegations he was using steroids, what do you know? >> reporter: well, it is being reported. "the national enquirer" is reporting that he allegedly was taking steroids at the time that he committed this crime. allegedly. roid rage would be the effect of that and we've seen that before and it's where there's outbursts of violence. no confirmation of it, the defense is not responding, but when you look at him in court, the first thing we notice is muscles. >> to dr. jennifer hsu out of atlanta division, what effect do steroids have on someone, if he was taking them? >> it can increase your muscle mass. there can also be an increase in body hair as well as growth of vocal cord. also things like acne, hormonal changes. and what she mentioned was reside rage. in some people, steroids can cause things like violence, aggression, suicidal behavior, manic behavior, and that's especially true if they're on

really high doses of steroids and suddenly stop them. >> what about it, dr. bethany? >> well, also, obsessional paranoia, the persistent belief that someone's very existence on this planet is threatening your well-being. they're messing up the mouse cages, they're going to get married. they're doing you wrong, so you'll have to wipe them out. >> everyone, let's stop and remember army private first class caleb ruskin, 24, knoxville, illinois, killed, iraq. a volunteer. loved banjo, fishing, hunting, motorcycles. wanted to be a firefighter. leaves behind parents tammy and marcy. caleb lufkin, american hero. thanks to our guests, but especially you. see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp eastern. until then, good night, friend. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com

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