right now on "showbiz tonight," brand new mackenzie phillips incest shockers. why she went back on oprah after claiming she had a sexual relationship with her father. why mackenzie's half sister went on oprah with her ask what she revealed. and the bomb shell oprah dropped about whether the incest claims could be true. >> and the unbelievable,

chilling michael jackson tapes. >> he would make you strip down and oil you down. >> you will not believe what you are about to hear. where do the tapes come from? where does he slam madonna and his bizarre relationship with mannequins. and martha stewarts apology to jessica simpson for giving her a hard time after her dog was snatched by a coyote. "showbiz tonight" starts right now. hello, i am a.j. hammer and tonight new incest bomb shells. >> i woke up that night from a black out to find myself having sex with my own father. >> just days after she went on

the oprah winfrey show, mackenzie phillips went back on the show today. for the very first time mackenzie responds to the disturbing backlash. then there is the family feud that has erupted since the incest claims. oprah reveals today how mackenzie's family is torn apart. and right there with her is her half sister chynna. and leave it to oprah to drop her own bomb shell. >> tonight in new york is cooper lawrence and psychologist and author of the cult of celebrity. no doubt these claims have set

off a vicious frud that really split her family right down the middle. her stepmother is furious. her younger half sister is scared and confused and her older half sister supports her. she went back on oprah and says it was all still absolutely worth it. >> i understand and i totally agree that this -- it has turned out to be much more explosive than i could have ever imagined and i am really sorry, chy, to put you in this position. i am very, very sorry about that but i don't regret writing the book because i believe lit be a great help. >> on the one hand she said she is helping other victims of ince incest. on the other hand she has completely torn her family in half. do you think she handled her confessions in the right way? >> this is not the brady bunch. they have admitted that they are

krug u drug users. guess who put the needle in her arm? according to mackenzie, it was her dad. we need to kind of -- she is making money off of a book. but you know what? she is doing such a great thing for such a taboo for so many girls who are afraid to come forward maybe now they have the guts to do so. >> this attention really is unprecedented. there is so much more to tell you about what happened. mackenzie's stepmother, michelle phillips. she was the second wife and a member of the mamms and pappas as well. here is what she said -- and

that's not all. mackenzie was unphased by michelle's big backlash. watch what she said today. >> when michelle found out i was writing the book she vowed to do everything she could to discredit me. and oprah, this is -- either she is protecting the mommas and pappas brand or she is having a text book reaction and she is embarrassed. i don't have a history of mental illness, i have a history of addiction. >> is michelle phillips out of line for railing so hard against her stepdaughter or does she have every right to be so angry? >> she is totally out of line because she didn't live the life but mackenzie made a good point. the correlation between being on the couch and incest, i don't

understand michelle phillips comment there. she is protecting the abuser. mackenzie was right in that way. it is not mackenzie's jop to protect the family. nobody protected her so i think it is fine to say all of this. i think michelle phillips is doing more harm. >> mackenzie is not alone. on the other side you have chynna who went on oprah to defend mackenzie. >> so you believe her? >> well -- okay. yes. the details around the book, you know, how can a person who has been doing drugs and admit she was on drugs during the time of all of this stuff, how can the details be perfectly accurate but i do know there was a consensual relationship that lasted. >> it was not all roses for

chynna. she does not feel she went about it the right way. >> that was the only thing that hurt my feelings. if i had been privy to the information a tad bit sooner at least maybe i could have prepared myself emotionally for the fire storm. >> so what do you think about that? a lot of people have been bringing this up. does chynna have a point? should she revealed the information that is so explosive differently than she did to protect her family or does she have no responsibility there? >> in a perfect world, you are right, chynna has a point, she should have gone everyone and said this is what i am going to do. oprah is not scripted. she is a great interviewer and maybe she brought things out of mackenzie that she didn't want to talk about. but this has been on her mind for so many years. maybe she was afraid if she was

going to reveal it maybe they would talk her out of it or maybe she wanted to get on the show and see where things happened. maybe it wasn't her entire plan to reveal so much information. >> here is another interesting component to the whole thing. we learn that her younger sister is saying that mackenzie told her ability having a consensual information with her dad then bijou claims mackenzie said it never happened. here is what bijou said -- so how did mackenzie react to what

bijou pourfully said. >> by the time that bijou was living with him had changed his ways as much as he was able to. maybe i did her a disservice but i felt she was safe. you know, why did i leave her there? i felt she was safe but when i felt she was in danger, i took her out. >> cooper, let me get your take here because you are squarely on mackenzie's side. i wonder if you think bijou's claim could actually compromise mackenzie's credibility in getting this word out. >> if we are talking about credibility, let me be clear. when it comes to incest it is not uncommon for the abuser to single out one child. you can have five kids and only one kid gets abused. that's not the answer. the answer is it did happen to one sister it does not have to happen to all of them.

at the time mackenzie wasn't clear in her own mind. it explains her drug use for so long to compound the pain that she was going through and the fact that her father was the first to introduce her to drugs. if he was going be abusing her, being on drugs was the only way to deal with what was happening to her. >> it is all so incredible and there is more reaction coming in from around the country today. and today oprah surprised mackenzie when she dropped a real bomb shell. look at this. >> i need to say this. two days ago we received an e-mail from a woman named jessica woods. jessica's father was the other male singer in the mommas and pappas. >> we will reveal what oprah had to say about that in just a moment but first tonight absolutely chilling never before heard taped conversations with michael jackson. he describes in graphic detail

how his father allegedly beat him. >> this is just mind blowing. in these tapes just heard on date line tonight, michael slams madonna and talks about his relationship with mannequins. you have got to hear this for yourself. and it's martha's dog gone apology. she apologizes to jes sica simpson. and we are going do this every friday. when "showbiz tonight" names the most provocative celebrity of the week. this is "showbiz tonight" on hln. time now for the "showbiz" news ticker.

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welcome back. i oom a.j. hammer. martha stewart was eating major crow today after slamming jessica simpson after jessica lost her beloved dog. martha stewart accused jessica of being careless and blamed her for what happened. cruel, martha, cruel. and paula abdul is telling everyone to back off of ellen. paula defends ellen even after spoofing her on "american idol." stephen smith, he is a pop culture and musical expert. let's begin with jessica simpson. i have been bummed out about how people have been so mean to her for hoping that daisy would be found. martha stewart ragged on her. martha realizes that was not a

good thing. here is what she said on her show. seec stephen? are you with me? this is what i would have expected martha to say in the first place. >> you think an excon would be a little more sensitive to people losing their pet. she should have said that. she should have said that's really awful. she shouldn't have said go out and buy yourself another pet. that was the most insensitive dog. should have watched it more closely? yeah thanks, whatever. but buy a new one? >> and there are reports that jessica had a really hard time getting over daisy. martha seemed very sincere to me with the apology. should jessica just accept it? >> martha should stick with making pies and obstruction of

justice. there you have it. >> don't forget about what she wore over her head? the thing? the frock. the poncho. >> no, no. i don't think that is an apology. but i am sorry she lost her dog. >> she got called out on it and she had to say something about it. making news today, paula abdul defending ellen degeneres. paula seemed to take a little shot at ellen with the spoof on vh 1 divas. but paula says enough is enough and she has got ellen's back. >> she needs to do what she does best which is not be bothered by what anyone says and be her charming self and she will be great. >> you know, i have to tell you, i want to turn on "american idol" this season and see paula and ellen hug it out like a

passing of the torch. steven, with you with me? >> i think ellen degeneres coming on, what's her background being able to watch musicicals d dance on the show. >> that would bp different. do you think that now that paula has said leave her alone, do you think that critics will shut up now? >> she is one of the funniest people on tv. they want to see what she will say and ellen has been funny. she thinks "american idol" is ready for their first blond. >> people need to give ellen a break. and a lot of people calling in with mackenzie phillips with her shocking claim about she and

her father had sex. here is a call from brigette calling in from washington who says mackenzie has every right to speak up. >> mackenzie was correct in doing what she did. people would talk about her father in loving terms and she would have to sit there and take that in and perpetuate that lie. that would have destroyed her life. >> cynthia thinks that mackenzie must be telling the truth. >> i don't think mackenzie would have went on television and said the things she said when she is the one that has to take the repercussion from it. i can't understand why she would go on there and say those things if they weren't true. she needs to free herself. >> thank you.

remember, "showbiz" phone lines are open all the time. 888-sbt-buzz. >> so mackenzie phillips was back on oprah today with more shocking revelations and oprah dropped a big bomb shell on whether the claims could be true. did mackenzie do the right thing? plus madonna and michael jackson. >> michael jackson was a human being but dammit he was a king. long live the king. >> in never before heard taped conversations with michael jackson he actually slammed madonna and that's just the beginning. he describes how his father would allegedly beat him and he talks about his bizarre relationship with mannequins. you will not believe your ears on this. we will do this every friday night. you are here for the very first

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now on "showbiz tonight," unbelievable explosive new michael jackson tapes revealed. just a short time ago, mikele in his own words claims how his father brutally beat im. why michael slams madonna.

new mackenzie phillips incest claims. tonight "showbiz tonight" with the bomb shell from oprah about weather mackenzie's incest al gags could be true. and "showbiz tonight" names the most provocative celebrity of the week. tv's most provocative entertainment news show continues right now. welcome back. it is 30 minutes past the hour. i am broadcasting tonight and every night from new york city. the explosive brand new secret tapes from michael jackson telling all about his father allegedly beating hem. here are the breaking developments. just a short time ago we heard

dramatic new audio tapes of michael jackson talking in graphic detail about being beaten. i can tell you it is mind blowing what he claims he went through. on the tapes heard nationwide, michael describes how lonely his life became and why he had a bizarre relationship with mannequins. yes, i said mannequins. and brand new remarkable revelations about how the king of pop wanted to be buried not by himself but with children. joining me tonight jean and carlos. i got say these tapes we are about to play for you are just incredible. they are some of the over three hours of interviews recorded between 1991 and 2001 with his one time spiritual advisor. he talks about what he called his father's beating ritual.

the tapes were first aired on the "today show." you got to listen. >> just eerie to listen to. we did reach out to joe jackson today. a family spokesman said he wouldn't dignify this with a comment. we have heard these allegations before from michael but to hear michael saying it in his own

voice and words, it is just stunning. >> he wouldn't dignify the claims with a comment. these claims are coming from your son, joe jackson. that's what gets me. that's what you say when a tabloid says something about it. these claims are coming from your son in great detail. we have heard them before but never from jackson's own mouth. when are we going wake up and realize that joe jackson might not be the best guy in the world. >> no kidding. and michael gave permission to tape these 30 hours of conversation. a lot of people wondered how these got out there but michael wanted to share these tapes with the world one day. his rabbi has written a book based on the tapes. >> i think it is shocking. we have heard michael say before that he was physically abused.

remember when oprah interviewed him and very meekly to oprah's question, did he hit you? yes. it does show out and out abuse. it shows his mother knew about it. it shows his mother stood by when it was all happening. those are the facts according to the tape. >> and when you listen to the detail that was given, you have to wonder can somebody make stuff like that up. we know that michael lived an isolated life. in the special that dateline aired tonight, michael explains that he filled his life with mannequins when he felt the need to be around people. this is astonishing.

>> as lonely as michael was, despite the fact that he had all these people around him. >> just when you think you have heard it all you hear stuff like that. i think back to the bad tour when michael was jogging with those troops and he had thousands of fans they were screaming for him and he had hundreds of troops around him. and he is a guy who cannot be in a room with real people. and i remembered the mannequins and i started to wonder if that was a real story or a fake story and michael talking about it

again in such great detail. when michael was alive, a lot of people thought he was eccentric and bizarre. what goes through your mind when you hear this? >> i think being shy, i don't think that is unusual for a performer. i think most are actually shy people. when i look at the mannequins we now see the state of mind with jackson. it is now explained and on oprah this week, oprah happened to mention that she had dolls around her house today because she didn't have them when she was younger. what's the difference? >> you make an exlenlt point. the tapes were recorded between 1991 and 2001. that is back when he was accused of child molestation. keeping that in mind, another bomb shell from the secret tapes, expressing his love for children saying when he died he wanted to be buried around them. listen.

>> just unbelievable. he said if it weren't for children he would choose death. carlos, do you think what michael said on these tapes per happens will serve to help people understand michael's love for children or are people going find it disturbing. >> if you have a preconceived notion, these tapes will solidify your notion. if you believe he was a saint and a beautiful person, then these tapes will help you believe that. if you believe he was a pedophile you will say he thought about kids all the time. >> excellent. more shocking things were said

by michael. you do remember the touching speech that madonna gave at the mtv video music awards. >> we sat on the couch like two kids and somewhere in the middle of the film his hand snuck over and held mine. it felt like he was looking for a friend more than a romance and i was happy to oblige him. >> she called him a king. so you will be shocked when you hear what michael was caught on tape calling madonna. also brand new bomb shells from one day at a time star mackenzie phillips just days after shocking the world on oprah with claims that she had a sexual relationship with her father. >> we received an e-mail from a woman named jessica woods. her father was the other male

singer in the mommas and the poppas. >> we will reveal what oprah said. and mackenzie phillips, she has had a provocative week but is she the most provocative celebrity of the week. i am rolling out something brand new. we name the most provocative celebrity of the week. time now for the "showbiz" news ticker. these are more stories from the "showbiz tonight" newsroom making news right now.

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that was just a couple of weeks ago. she was paying tribute to michael jackson. why on earth did michael jackson slam madonna? welcome back. more of the explosive jackson tapes recorded between 1999 and 2001, first played on the today show this morning. and jackson reveals how he really felt about his good friend madonna. kim baker is joining me tonight and cooper lawrence who is a psychologist and author of "the cult of slcelebrity". michael's long time spiritual advisor just released these tapes. jackson told him he thought madonna was not a nice person and she was actually jealous of him.

>> "showbiz tonight" did reach out to madonna and madonna has very fond feelings for michael jackson and i don't think anything in the book is going change that. what do you make of michael's slam of madonna? >> we got to put this in context. madonna had been close to michael for some time and in her own admission she says they did fall out. and a couple of weeks ago when she gave that tribute to michael jackson she confessed that she had left him. she suggested that maybe she was less than a good person with how she dealt with michael.

i don't think this is something that she denies. i do think that michael really did feel those things. as far as any repercussions, madonna said and all of us can agree that he was in a lot of trouble and turmoil in his life. at the time that he spoke, i don't know if he was of totally sound mind. i am not saying madonna is a great person or a bad person but michael was very conflicted. he isolated himself from a lot of people and he perceived a lot of people, and some of them were friends that he just shut out. >> that is going back some ten years. there are brand new bomb shells about mackenzie phillips incest claims. here is the big news breaking today. she went back on oprah two days after making her claims. her half sister chynna went on oprah to support her.

but oprah revealed a new bomb shell on the show and it has to do with whether or not the incest claims mackenzie is making should be true. oprah said today she received an e-mail from jessica woods whose dad was a member of the mommas and the poppas. >> she said i just watched your show. tears are running down my face. everything she said is true. my dad told me the awful truth. he was who fhorrified about whan had done and knew all of it. >> does this give mackenzie more credibility for all of those who keep going after her? >> absolutely but it shouldn't have to. the fact that she has these claims is enough. she is bringing attention to an important subject. incest is something that goes completely underreported. even if it didn't happen, somebody is at home saying to

themselves she came forward, i am going to do the same. the bigger question is if the other person knew about this going on, why didn't they step forward then? why didn't they try to protect her when she was a child. >> and some of the things being said is it was a different time and a lot of drugs but there is so much debate about this going on. viewers are divided about whether mackenzie should have gone public. we asked on air and online, was it okay for her to go public with her incest claims? and this is a clear divide. the majority there saying that she was right to come out, of course, with these claims. cooper, i want to go back to this. do you think the other 44% may come around after they here that jessica woods is corroborating the story?

>> how dare they come forward and say it wasn't appropriate for her. if one person is going hear the story and feel they will stop the circle of sexual abuse in their house, that's all that matters and those 44% have had nice lives and have not had to deal with incest and molestat n molestation. if anything makes one kid come forward it should be 100% of the people should be supportive for that reason alone. >> i hear what you are saying. so many people are saying it may be helpful but at what cost but you are saying it doesn't matter. thank you so much for being here. there is certainly no doubt that mackenzie phillips has had a controversial week but is she the most provocative celebrity of the week? don't go anywhere. we are kicking off something brand new tonight and you are on n on it. we will do this every friday night. i have gotten your e-mails, phone calls and facebook

comments, and coming up next we will be naming the most provocative celebrity of the week. now the "showbiz" news ticker, more stories from the "showbiz tonight" newsroom making news right now. it is time now for making it work. this is where the stars reveal their secrets on how they make their relationships work. doing that in hollywood, that is not an easy thing to do. tonight is singer harry connick jr. they have three terrific daughters. harry revealed that the secret to making his marriage work is actually a bunch of things.

>> i love my wife. you know what i mean? we met 20 years ago and we just are best friends and we communicate. all the stuff that you are supposed to do. we talk a lot and we have children, which is a huge part of it. and we just love being with each other. >> harry really is a terrific guy and it struck me he has a great perspective on life and show business. ♪

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welcome back to "showbiz tonight." i am a.j. hammer and i am kicking off something brand new. i am very excited. "showbiz tonight" is naming the most provocative celebrity of the week. not one of the contenders clearly michael jackson after the taped kofgss that reveal among other things how he says his father used to beat him with an electrical cord. and then there is mackenzie

phillips that told oprah she had a long time sexual affair with her father. >> i woke up from a black out to find myself having sex with my own father. i don't remember how it started or how it ended. your father is supposed to protect you not [ bleep ] you. "showbiz tonight" is naming mackenzie phillips the most provocative celebrity of the week. most of our fans on the "showbiz tonight" facebook page also thought it should be mackenzie phillips. >> so what do you think? was mackenzie the most provocative celebrity of the week? you can e-mail me.

you can all "showbiz" on call and of course, you can always post on the face book wall. to do that, type "showbiz tonight" into the search box. we revealed our question of the day about mackenzie phillips. we asked was it okay for her to go public with her incest claims? 56% of you said yes, 44% no. some of the e-mails we got included this from james. >> that is it for "showbiz tonight." you can always catch "showbiz

tonight" on the 11s. coming up next on "issues" a giant family feud has erupted and it is all because of mackenzie phillips shocking accusations that she had incestuous sex with her father. now, two of john phillips ex-wives coming out saying it didn't happen. you lie. but then again chynna phillips is coming out saying she believes mackenzie's stories. what is the motive? is it just to sell a book or could there be a deeper motive? and we will tell you about a horrifying story. a dog fighting ring busted and these animals were in horrific conditions. there was a day care center

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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com mackenzie phillips back on oprah. this time she has ammo. she is bringing her sister who is backing up the claims of incest with her dad. but other members of mackenzie's extended clan are lining up against her charging you lie. issues has exclusive information from the family of john phillips. blood soaked walls, beaten dogs and a day care a dog fighting

ring busted up at a child care center. thee these poor dogs were tortured and fighting to the death. who were the sick ones who thought dog fighting and day care were a fwood mix. jaycee dugard says she will take the stand. she wants to testify against the mons tore who held her captive for 18 long years. this could force her to reveal every sexual detail in front of the whole world all while the poor woman is trying to rebuild her whole life. does the criminal justice system victimize rape victims? and randy and his wife are arrested accused of owing a hotel $10,000.

he claims the bill is paid and says the hotel is doing all this for publicity. who do you believe? "issues" starts now. shocking and revolting accusations ignite a firestorm of a family feud. the whole world knows this. by now. mackenzie phillips said she had sex with her own father rock legend john phillips. she paints a sickening picture claiming daddy pulled her into a frightening world of drugs and forbidden sex. she revealed what she calls her darkest secrets to who else? oprah. >> i woke up that night from a blackout to find myself having sex with my own father. your father is supposed to protect you. your father is supposed to protect you, not [ bleep ] you. >> mackenzie's horrifying allegations are dividing her show biz family especially since john is dead and cannot defend himself. step mom michelle phillips says, you lie.

take with a grain of salt anything said by somebody who had a needle in their arm for 35 years. mackenzie was back on oprah today but this time sister chynna, came along who backed her up. >> i'm proud of my sister. am i exceedingly joyful that my family's secret that i told maybe my therapist, my husband, and my very best friend in the world? no, now, a platform for everybody to know is upsetting. >> you've known for a while. >> i've known for a long time. >> mackenzie's other sister, bijou phillips speaking out. she lived alone with her dad since she was 3. you will not believe what she has to say. are these horrific claims true? will we ever know? mackenzie says she has a handful of people who know it happened. is she trustworthy? just last year mackenzie got busted for heroin and cocaine.

we know addicts lie. is she sober now? straight out to my fabulous panel. criminal defense attorney mark eiglarsh. cnn legal analyst, lisa bloom. psychiatrist dr. dale archer. curtis sliwa, founder of the guardian angels. also talking only to us tonight, the widow of john phillips, farnaz phillips. thank you so much for joining us on the phone. i understand you did not want to be on camera but still felt you had to speak out to clear john's name. what was your reaction when you first heard these claims? do you believe them or not? >> under no circumstances i believe this. i always knew john and i always knew mackenzie is not somebody, considering the source, mackenzie phillips, she already admitted to oprah, herself, the other day that she's a liar,

and -- >> why do you think if you believe that she lied, let's face it, none of us knows what happens behind closed doors so nobody is really going to know because he's dead and how can we verify one way or another what she's saying? if you believe that she is lying, why would she lie about something like this? >> well, she's been going through a couple years of hard time, tough life, and she just putting out the book right after that. like you said, the jim moret show, that it might be the anger. i can add drugs and money into it, and -- >> drugs and money? >> yes, because she is making money. listen to this. if you take a couple of pages out of the book that she refers to john and allegations she has against john, that book would have never been sold. >> well, yeah, of course. the reason it's a best seller, she's saying she had sex with her famous father and he shot her up and he incested her. i mean, these are horrifying claims.

>> and john cannot defend himself. that's why i'm on the phone with you. i just want to defend him, speak for him. i know john was a -- >> how long were you married to him? >> i was married to john for six years and he was sober for, like, 5 1/2 years out of it, and he was all together. he loved his family. he would do anything possible. >> was he a drug addict and an alcoholic? >> when i was married to him, no. >> previous to that? what years were you married to him? >> i was married to him from 1995 up until 2001 when he passed. and he was -- >> so he finally got sober. he finally got sober which is wonderful news. did he ever say to you, i have problems with mackenzie, boy, she's trouble or, wow, something really awful happened? >> john was a very honest

person, not like mackenzie said he was a liar. he was never a liar. even wrote a book about himself a long time ago, blaming himself for everything that half of it wasn't even him. so if he did something like that, don't you think, honest someone would put that in his book to sell it? he never did that. >> thank you for coming on our show exclusively and talking about your belief that john phillips did not commit the incest that his daughter mackenzie is accusing him of. >> this is the last thing she can chew on and she is chewing on it. my problem is the headache she's causing the family. i have -- i'm very upset and bijou is very upset. i love bijou. i think it's not right to have family divided for money. >> thank you, fernaz.

this has divided the family. mackenzie's sister, bijou phillip says mackenzie told her about the abuse then said, oh, it never really happened. bijou said the man who raced me would never be capable of doing such things. if he was, it is heartbreaking to think my family would leave me alone with him. that raises a very good question. lisa bloom, if this actually happened, should mackenzie have made a motion to keep bijou away from john? bijou said he was raised by a guy that was like mr. mom and was a loving and supportive father. >> absolutely. the problem mackenzie phillips has is she's a lifelong drug addict. a serious addict. we're talking about cocaine and heroin shot up in her arms on a daily basis for many, many years. that doesn't mean her story is untrue. in my view it probably is true.

i represented a woman very much like mackenzie phillips when i represented sexual abuse survivors for many years who had a consensual adult relationship with her father. it's absolutely devastating but does happen. the way she has gone about this is all wrong. she's done it by trying to sell a book. that means everybody is suspicious of her motives. she could have come out for example, i would have advise the her come out and be the national spokesperson for the rape survivor network. and also, frankly, before your father died. this is very suspicious in a lot of people's minds and rightly so. >> dr. dale archer, it's so troubling because there's no way for us to verify and she waited until after her father died, even though he got sober before he died. this is destroying the family. michelle phillips says that all of the nieces and nephews in the phillips' family are not going to school now. they're staying home and sobbing because she has essentially

shamed the entire phillips family. is that something she should have taken into consideration or not? >> no. i mean, she shamed the phillips family, maybe so. what about what she is be living with and dealing with over her entire life? never an easy way to come forward with this. i say bravo. any way you can get this message out, this is an epidemic in america. there are women that this happens -- >> incest is an epidemic? i didn't know. >> absolutely. it is huge and it is impossible. >> adult incest? >> only if you're in the field and you treat people as a psychiatrist or psychologist do you hear the stories time after time after time after -- again and the women are scared and they're ashamed. >> are the people you're hearing them from addicts, heroin addicts who have just gotten sober less than a year ago possibly? >> are they stories about adult incest? that's a different form. >> it is so hard to come forward and this is always what happens. no one believes you.

all the time a girl will come forward and tell the story and the mom will support the dad -- >> wouldn't it have been a better idea to go into family therapy and tell your family, hey, this is what happened to me? apparently she's told people this in the past but then according to michelle and bijou she took it back. and she said it didn't happen. >> you know, jane, i think that you're right. yeah. there is a good way to do it but any way to get this out, it's very important and it's not easy to do. >> got to take a break. >> if it took a book for her to do this, i say that's fine. i say if this sheds a light on this problem then that is a good thing. >> more on mackenzie phillips in just a bit. we're also taking your calls on this one. give me a holler. 1-877-jvm says. 1-877-586-7297. dogfighting and daycare. under the same roof? we can't show it to you it's so bad. we'll update you on the condition of some unbelievably tortured dogs. first more on mackenzie phillips' alleged incestuous

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i went to my father and said, look, we need to talk about how you raped me. and my dad said, raped you? my dad said, raped you? don't you mean when we made love? and in that moment i thought, wow, i'm really on my own here. >> mackenzie phillips on oprah, shocking claims from the former tv actress, she says she carried on an incestuous relationship with her dad for ten years. she writes about it in her new book which is a bestseller "high on arrival." phone lines light up on this one. no surprise there. don, washington, your question or thought? >> caller: hi, jane.

>> hi. >> caller: i'm calling to say i don't think any of this is really true. i think she's trying to make money for her book. >> all right. i think you raise an interesting point. and i want to talk about why people do things, curtis sliwa. i know children of addicts and alcoholics are extremely mad at their addict parent. so there could be various levels of motivation. it could be she wants a book. she has a tv show but she also could have a lot of deep-seated anger. and i want to quote quickly from my book which is about growing up in an alcoholic household. children of alcoholics experience trauma when they grow up with someone who isn't present like a sober person is. often these children have been traumatized by the drama in the household. rageful, weepy or detached children of alcoholics and addicts have a tendency to develop bitterness over the stilted relationship with the alcoholic or addict parent. curtis? >> i'd be crazy mad against this guy. this guy was a freaky deaky guy.

we just talked about the story of ryan o'neal at the wake. beautiful blond comes up, kisses him, hello ryan and tries to put the squeeze on her. what are you doing after the wake? we got the urge to merge? she says, ryan, it's me, tatum, your daughter. come on, wake up, america. he admitted this. >> there's a big difference between that story and this story. >> there's no difference. these guys believe in this live in let live. notice what she said, her father had said is that, oh, you've got to accept the fact that this is the kind of a lifestyle you -- are you crazy? >> jane, i got to get in here. >> okay. mark. let's see the panel. let's see the panel. mark eiglarsh. >> thank you, jane. aye yi yi. first of all you have dale archer saying bravo. sliwa convicting him already. let me say something. the only thing we know for sure is none of us will ever know for

sure whether this really happened. that's number one. number two, as i tell my jurors, when i'm raising questions about someone's credibility, there's a difference between believability and accuracy. even when you see this oprah interview she looks believable, it may be entirely different whether she's accurate, whether this really did happen or whether it was imagined in order to sell books or when she was in a drug-induced state. >> i think drugs is at the heart of all of this. mackenzie talks about growing up in a crazy, drug-filled world. she said she was 10 when she was rolling joints for her dad. 13 when he was helping her shoot up at 13. she tells oprah her dad brought her to a party where she had sex with rocker mick jagger who hasn't responded to this. i'm waiting to hear from him. she was home 18. listen to this one. >> my dad walks out, mick turns around, locks the door and looks at me.

he says, i've been waiting for this since you were 10 years old. and my dad comes back and that's my daughter in there. let her out. and we just didn't. we ignored him. >> lisa bloom. mick jagger hasn't responded but boy, he's probably fuming across the pond as it were. >> well at least she was 18 in that allegation, so he wasn't proposing anything that was illegal although it's disgusting if he knew her since she was a little girl. this is america, people are entitled to respond to allegations that smear their reputation for all of history. this man passed away in 2001. like i said, i tend to believe her, but i'm really offended at the way she has gone about this waiting many years after her father was gone to disclose it. the so-called witnesses who support her side are only people who she told. they didn't see anything, hear anything, doesn't seem to be any

evidence. she's a wealthy woman. comes from a wealthy family. i assume she has a lot of money. she's been working -- why does she do this by way of selling a book? >> wait a second. i don't know how wealthy she is. maybe there's a jealousy factor here because the mama and papa's fortune hasn't descended on her. >> that does not excuse it. >> lisa did point out, by coming out with a book, you have bias, motive, interest, all those things that should not be present if she had just come out with no interest at all. so what i say to all of the people out there, don't jump to conclusions because you just don't know. if it really did happen, wait, if it did happen, dale, she does, in fact, deserve our compassion and sympathy. we just don't know. >> we have to wrap it up right there. i know we can talk about this forever. >> doesn't anybody listen to chynna? >> it's over. you know, seriously, my dad was an alcoholic. in my new recovery memoir i write about that.

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the woman who wrongfully accused five, count them, five men of raping her at hofstra will not face criminal charges. the 18-year-old was, however, ordered to get a mental health treatment. you think? and complete 250 hours of community service. if she fails to do that, she could be charged at a later date. she signed an agreement admitting she lied to police and engaged in consensual sex.

these false accusations threaten to really ruin the lives of the four young men who are arrested. we talked to one of them on "issues." >> i was really scared. i couldn't believe what was basically going through my mind. it was like a big nightmare and i thought i was going to do time for something i didn't do. i was going to be punished for something i did not do. >> joining me now, cnn legal analyst lisa bloom. lisa, is there a double standard here? what could and should she have been charged with? >> she could have been charged with making false statements to the police. that's a misdemeanor. i applaud district attorney kathleen rice for coming to this outcome. our prisons are overcrowded. we are stretched beyond our budgets to pay for them. prison is a place for violent offenders and pedophiles. this woman is neither of those things. she made a terrible mistake, did a horrible thing. let her be out paying her own way for her own housing and food and do 250 hours of community service. which benefits us. we don't have to pay for that. that's to our benefit as the

taxpayers and get mental health treatment which she would not get if she was behind bars. i don't think this is the right outcome. >> sometimes the prisons are filled because of women like her making false accusations. >> i agree she did a terrible thing. a lot of people do terrible things but prison is not the answer. >> she hurt women as well as men. because now women who have been raped are going to be afraid to come forward because they're going to believe they won't be believed. the d.a. said her job was not just to prosecute but to find the truth. listen to this. >> prosecutors almost immediately identified significant inconsistences as she told them her story. the turning point was when she was confronted with the fact that there may exist a video of some or all of the incident. the woman began to reveal the truth about what happened. >> so lisa, basically, as soon as the d.a. started questioning, she found the accuser's story

totally full of holes. you have to wonder why the cops didn't make the same realization when it was so apparent to the d.a. instead, they took these kids names and faces and put it all over the media. >> i applaud kathleen rice. i'm a big fan. one of the things she said in reaching this deal is she doesn't want other people making false claims to be afraid to admit it because they're afraid they're going to go to jail. if you make a false claim, it's a terrible thing. but we can set things right. okay, we're not going to throw you in the slammer, we're going to give you community service. if she doesn't do her community service she does immediately get charged with a crime under this plea deal. i think this is a very smart plea deal. it's got teeth. i think kathleen rice did the right thing here. >> you convinced me. at first i thought it was a big double standard. although we fight against the war on women and i hate violence against women, one thing i hate just as much is a phony claim that could ruin the lives of four young men. to this day people are calling

their sisters, oh, you're the sibling of the rapist. it's not fair. i wish them the best. we'll be back with a horrific story, daycare and dogs next.

reliving a nightmare, jaycee dugard says she will take the stand against phillip garrido. she wants to testify against the monster accused of holding her captive for 18 long years. tonight's big issue, does the criminal justice system victimize rape survivors twice? plus, a celebrity superstar busted for allegedly skipping out on his hotel bill. randy quaid and his wife, arrested in texas accused of owing a hotel 10,000 bucks. that's a lot of trips to the mini bar. tonight, jaycee dugard's

family plots their own version of revenge on her alleged rapist phillip garrido. jaycee's step dad carl probyn says he can't wait to write garrido taunting letters while locked up. i'll be telling him how our family is doing, we're at disney world or out having dinner and laughing and having a wonderful time. end quote. probyn's life has been destroyed, too. he witnessed the garridos snatching jaycee off the street in 1991. here he is just days later. >> watched the car go up the hill, and i saw my daughter making the curve up there. all of a sudden the car darted across the road, cut her off. i saw a door open.

i jumped on my back. i heard a scream and pedaled and realized i couldn't catch him in time. i came back down and called 911. >> everybody wondered was he telling the truth at the time? this ruined that man's life. that's the alleged monster, right there, convicting this guy could mean more pain and trauma for jaycee. can she handle be face to face with garrido in court? her attorney says absolutely. here he is on the cbs "early show." >> she very clearly understands that some very bad and terrible things were done to her and the people that committed those crimes need to be held accountable. >> these pictures give you just an idea of what life was like for jaycee for 18 long years, this filth is just the tip of the iceberg. imagine her on the witness stand having to answer questions about what garrido did to her and about giving birth to her children when she was, herself, a child. how is she going to get through that? that brings me to tonight's big issue, are rape victims raped a second time by having to relive their nightmares on the stand,

giving graphic testimony about their humiliating violations? isn't it like being victimized all over again? back to my fantastic panel. curtis sliwa, can we even imagine what it's going to be like if jaycee dugard has to take the stand and go face to face with that creep? >> jane, i've been cross-examined many times but it pails in comparison to what this woman is going to have to go through. i would think the defense attorney for the two monsters garrido and his wife, when given the opportunity to cross examine her will say, we refuse to ask any questions -- we're not going to ask any questions. we rest with this witness and let her just retire. i realize the prosecution may have to extract from her some details that are going to prove very harmful to her psyche to have to relive it. but if the defense team would be stand up, they wouldn't go there. they wouldn't even go there. just rest with that witness. >> i disagree that it is harmful, jane. i'll tell you why. i represented rape victims and

child abuse survivors many years. most people think what you're saying. it's psychologically damaging to testify. it's horrible. it damages you the second time. wrong. what my clients told me -- they were all scared beforehand. what they told me afterwards, 201, it was empowering to testify. they already lived through the worst part. to get on the witness stand, to look the bad guy in the eye and tell the truth about what happened and ideally to get a conviction against that person is very empowering and walked out of the courtroom with the head held high and the voice would drop from a squeaky little girl voice they started out with because they were so scared. i tell you, we have to dispel this notion it's a terrible thing to testify in a trial. it is not. >> jane, the bottom line is we are still -- we still have a court system in this country. of course, jaycee has to come to court and testify against her accuser. just because this is the worst of the worst and this really is the worst. it doesn't take away the fact that we still have to have a trial and he has to be proven guilty in court and the key witness in the case is clearly jaycee.

she has to testify. >> this is happening to so many young women. when kind of agony do these rape victims have to endure when they testify against their attackers? remember elizabeth smart? she may be called to do exactly that soon at a mental competency hearing for one of her captors. a husband and wife accused of kidnapping smart in 2003 when she was just 14 years old so they could keep her as a plural wife. another story that ended in miraculous rescue. this young girl now older obviously will have to testify. i don't understand, dale archer, why can't they do this on videotape? why do they have to be in the courtroom and face the person that tortured them? >> i completely agree with lisa on this. this is very therapy. this is one more step to getting back to a normal life. let's face it. jaycee dugard is a survivor. she is going to do fine. i have been so impressed with the fact that for 18 years she was able to come through this with her life and with her two

children's lives intact when this guy possibly could have been involved in murders or other abductions along the way. i think jaycee is going to be fine. i think that lisa is correct. this is a big, big step. >> what the hell are you talking about? what do you mean fine? have you ever had to testify in court? you ask the questions. >> we have to preserve the sanctity of the court system. >> i agree with curtis. you can't use the word "fine" when it comes to this horrific situation but you can't say that maybe we hope it's a catharsis for her. we've got to move on to another gut wrenching horrific story. turning now to a gruesome secret uncovered at a chicago daycare. are you sitting down? mutilated starving animals,

bloody walls and floors, filthy syringes, part of a horrific dogfighting ring. and get this, it was steps from a child's swing set. ten children were removed from the home during the raid because it was a day care center. one of three suspects is married to the day care center operator after these men were arrested police discovered something even sicker. suspect martez anderson's cell phone had a video of a dog being burned to death. this is outrageous. you'll hear from anderson in the moment. police rescued five mangled dogs, four of them puppies covered in scars. >> this is a difficult one to sum up given the carnage and what you see on you add this is going on within feet of the day care. the dogs. there was a swing set and within less than ten feet was a log the dogs were chained to. very unsettling to put it lightly. >> that little white puppy the sheriff was holding had his eye ripped out. look at that. the helpless creature was tossed into the fight in the form of bait. there were at least two complaints about dogs at this home in 2006 and 2007. there was a swing set and within less than ten feet was a log the dogs were chained to. very unsettling to put it lightly. >> that little white puppy the sheriff was holding had his eye ripped out. look at that. the helpless creature was tossed into the fight in the form of bait.

there were at least two complaints about dogs at this home in 2006 and 2007. child welfare officers made unannounced visits but because the dogs were locked in a garage, nothing was done. that is unacceptable. straight to my expert panel. animal welfare advocate, jane garrison. jane, this is outrageous. isn't this a perfect example how animal cruelty goes hand in hand to cruelty to children? weren't they put in a dangerous and horrific situation? >> absolutely, jane. these dogs could have gotten out of that garage. they could have attacked these kids. they could have killed these kids. besides the dogs, i wouldn't want kids left in a home with those sadistic individuals. somebody who finds pleasure of setting a dog on fire and watching her burn would have no problem torturing a kid. these people should be put away for many, many years. not only for what they did to innocent dogs but endangering these kids. >> this case has so many sick details.

the suspect's cell phone video of a dog being burned alive is as bad as it gets. the suspect, martez anderson, hasn't commented on the video. he had a whole lot to say about why the dogs were on death's door. listen to this. >> it was a few dogs in good condition and like i said, for the exception of the little puppy, he got smashed in the door and that was sheerly an accident. the door fell on the puppy. >> lisa bloom, is that the most pathetic excuse you've ever heard? >> absolutely, jane. i'm the owner of a pit bull and a rescue dog. i think what people fail to understand is these animals experience pain and fear and suffering just as we do. we all have to stand up against dogfighting. i'm celebrating 32 years as a vegetarian and i know you are too, jane. also, speak out on behalf of all of the animals who are in cages, who are in terrible conditions as farm animals.

it is horrendous across the board. what have we become? we've become so disconnected to other living, breathing animals. it's got to stop. >> absolutely. and the other thing people can do, in their own communities they should watch out for signs of dogfighting. everyone can be the eyes and ears for these dogs. you have to watch for dogs who are chained outside or unsocialized dogs. equipment such as treadmills or ropes or tires hanging from trees and watch for dogs who have a lot of scars on their face or people coming and going at odd hours into homes and you need to report these people. >> curtis sliwa, children service went there and said, the dogs are in the garage. that's okay. that's outrageous to me. >> we're going to hear children services, they're overwhelmed, they have too many cases. hey, open up your eyes. go out. check the entire area. do your job. you know something, jane, did you see the smirk on martez's face when he said, oh, the door hit the puppy. you like ultimate fighting martez? how about you and the pit bull

one-on-one. let the pit bull do you in right there in your jugular. we won't tap you out. >> we have to leave it right there. horrific for animals and children. cruelty goes hand in hand. up next, michael jackson's former friend reveals some of the pop star's dark secrets. did michael really call hitler a genius? actor randy quaid arrested for allegedly speaking out. oh my god, you will not believe this.

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does actor randy quaid think he's above the law? why do police say he racked up a $10,000 bill and skipped town? we're going to debate it. first, "top of the block"

tonight. explosive and head spinning revelations about the king of pop. did michael jackson think hitler was a genius? according to jackson friend rabbi shmuley, jackson not only felt that way, he was 100% convinced. shmuley also said jackson considered dating best friend elizabeth taylor. sound crazy? what about this? jackson allegedly said madonna was in love with him and jealous of his success. why all these alleged, excuse me, these secrets are making me sick. sick secrets just out of the blue? the rabbi has a book coming out. in it more than 300 hours of recorded conversation with his former friend, michael jackson. that's tonight's "top of the block." turning now from freaky fantasies to possible fraud. this one takes the cake, people. actor randy quaid and his wife, evi arrested for -- take a look at those mug shots, allegedly skipping out on a $10,000 bill they racked up at a ranch in

santa barbara. that is one swanky ranch, people. these photos from the resort's website. on monday the santa barbara sheriff's department issued a warrant for their arrest and captured on tmz, cops at a west texas town busted the people. not without incident. evi was screaming and had to be wrestled to the ground. the pair tossed in the slammer. look at that mug shot. what's with the beard? what's with that expression? they posted bail hours later after a deputy drove them to get cash, 20,000 bucks each. it gets weirder. tmz says randy quaid scrawled a letter, especially for the tmz website, quote, texas is a great place to be arrested. i would like to thank the sheriff and deputies for

everything. it was a fabulous arrest. he seems to think it is all a big joke. quaid also sent tmz a copy of the cashier's check made out to the ranch. you can see it right there. $5,546 and change. that's what the quaids said they owed. wait a minute, a cashier's check for a hotel bill? does that make sense? it could be explained by a sworn statement. the quaids checked into the luxury resort using bogus credit cards. furthermore, police say the bill came to a whopping 10,500 bucks. meantime, randy claims it is all a p.r. stunt on the part of the inn. "issues" called them for comment but we haven't heard back. i want to know what you think cook coo for coca puffs

celebrity scandal. give me a shout out to my panel. lisa bloom, cnn legal analyst. david schwartz, criminal defense attorney and former new york prosecutor dr. dale archer. clinical psychiatrist. just a moment, going to be joined by mike walters, assignment editor with tmz. first, david schwartz, does randy quaid seem to be thumbing his nose at the law, and if so, isn't he making matters worse for himself? >> i don't know if he's making matters worse for himself. every criminal defendant shouldn't be speaking about the substance of the case. but jane, we have to remember that he has defenses. he's got the cashier's check and this has got to be settled in court. >> and he's got a beard. why does he got a beard of that size? >> i have no idea. maybe lisa bloom can answer that question. i don't know why he has a -- >> maybe it's a mistaken identity. looks like a cross between santa claus and the keep on truckin' guy. >> oh, man. so, i mean, the bottom line -- >> look at this expression. oh, that's better. the other expression, she's out of her mind.

>> he's throwing his jacket over his arm. i mean, it's crazy. >> we don't know that. come on. let's give them the benefit of the doubt like other criminal defenses. they've got defenses. the inn has their side of the story. it's a bizarre situation but it's got to play out. >> a great mug shot, though. >> joining us, mike walters, assignment editor from tmz. mike, i'm hearing things on a delay. if i don't make sense. i'm hearing crazy voices in my ear. you got a hold of a deputy sworn statement that contains shockers. tell us about total hotel bill. what tmz calls a sinister plot to flee ritzy hotels, end quote. >> this is what it explains in the documents, they went to the builtmoore hotel in santa barbara, used their credit card for the night. when the manager came and said we can't get authorization on the card you have to go or give us something else. they left there knowing the card didn't work and went to the

ranch and tried to use that card. but because it's randy quaid and his wife, been there before. they are celebrities. i guess they let them go in with that card. the intent right there, that's over eight days they racked up $10,000 in bills. every day make an excuse, there's a fedex package coming with the card. i'll get my checkbook. finally when they were like, that's it, we're done. went up to tell them they had to go out and they bolted. they gathered all of this information including when they were investigating $17,000 here in the bel-air hotel in l.a. they had been doing this all along. that's why they were charged with these three felonies. >> you're saying there's a pattern here allegedly? >> right, that's the way it looks when they investigated. i'm only telling you what the sworn statement says obviously allegedly. but that's what it says is that they got all of this stuff. you know how they found out the

two hotels? this is great. the collection agency, the santa barbara hotel went to alliance collections and said, that's funny we have the same couple in l.a. >> hold it right there. we'll be right back with more cook coo for coca puffs behavior. look at that beard. we're going to analyze it when we come back. and that expression. you were right. these healthy choice fresh mixer thingys, they taste fresh... say it again! they taste fresh. wait. what are you doing? got it. you're secretly taping me? cook it fresh, strain it fresh, mix it fresh, healthy choice fresh mixers, look for it in the soup or pasta aisle. we created our college of business and management... after collaborating with business leaders. we wanted our curriculum to match market needs, preparing you for today's most sought-after careers. in fact, we have not one but five specialized colleges, offering you bachelor's degree programs that... are both relevant and highly marketable. devry university. discover education working at devry.edu.

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>> yeah, you know, actually -- let's analyze these mug shots for a second. she looks like in a couple of these pictures -- by the way, we invite you, the quaids, mr. and mrs. quaid to come on any time to tell your side of the story. they seem to be making a mockery out of all of this. look at that face. that face is very defiant like i'm a mary prankster and this is a performance arts piece. dr. dale archer, you want to try to analyze these two? >> it is one more example of celebrities that think they are doing the hotel a favor by going there to stay. so why should they have to pay when their presence should be enough? >> i think the whole thing is a p.r. stunt. >> jane, no, no, you know, we're a nation of laws. if they went into this hotel and stole $17,000 from one hotel and $10,000 from another, i don't think it had anything to do with them having this priority in life. i think they blatantly stole the money and obviously they were arrested for it. on the other hand they have

defenses. >> let me see the panel. let me see the panel. okay. who wants to talk? let's see. eenie, meenie, miney, moe. okay. go ahead, lisa. >> i think this whole thing is a publicity stunt planned by them. they're having way too much fun. can i do all my interview in profile like randy quaid's mug shot? this is ridiculous. they have planned these mug shots. they're outside of the courthouse putting up crazy signs and brown paper on the truck. they are trying to get publicity and they got it. >> they could get a jail sentence. when successful actors like randy squad get in trouble over money matters it doesn't seem to add up. here he is in the 1988 classic, "caddie shack." >> you made it clear how your legal system works, mr. young. i would like to explain about the peter blunt system. you see, i don't go in for lawsuits and motions or any of that legal stuff --

>> all right, on a serious note, david schwartz, quaid sued focus features for the makers of "brokeback mountain" for $10 million. he claimed they tricked him into working cheaply. money is obviously an issue. >> maybe he once had money and now it is an issue. you know, it's a blatant theft. if he's guilty of what he's been accused of the bottom line is it's a blatant theft. i'm not sure it's a publicity stunt. there may be psychological issues here as well. they need to be looked into. >> mike, i'll give you the last word on all of this. >> this guy was in "caddie shack," in "national lampoon's vacation," let him keep the money. classic clip. let him keep the money. >> at least he'll have to get a haircut if he goes to jail. >> i think that a lot of the celebrities think, i should be paid for showing up somewhere. and they have a sense of entitlement that makes you crazy. all right. that's it for us.

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breaking news in the sudden disappearance of 5-year-old florida girl haleigh cummings. haleigh reportedly kidnapped from her own bed in the middle of the night. as we go to air tonight, police arrest misty croslin's mother. lisa croslin taken into custody in tennessee on a felony forgery charge. her bail set at $100,000. this as police release croslin's brother on a gun charge. the same brother who tells

police croslin not at home the night haleigh goes missing. are police pressuring croslin's family, trying to get the truth about haleigh? and in another major development, surveillance video and a mystery letter surfaces. a letter set to crack this case wide open. an unidentified blond woman dressed in blue scrubs and hiding behind dark glasses drops off a letter containing a tip connected to haleigh's disappearance. we have that surveillance video. it has just been released. in the last hours police announce they have located the mystery woman on that videotape. who is she? and what does she know about haleigh's disappearance? this is all on the heels of another stunning letter claiming haleigh ingested the painkiller oxycontin at a party and died. cops calling that letter, quote,

a farce. as new stepmother misty croslin flunks another polygraph, where is haleigh? >> i want to let everyone know that i'm not hiding anything for anybody and if somebody has something to do with it let them fry. >> breaking news in the case of missing florida girl haleigh cummings. the mother of step mom/babysitter misty croslin has been arrested. lisa croslin was taken into custody in tennessee. she was wanted for allegedly stealing and forging checks. >> we save jail beds for child molesters, murderers, rapists, arsonists, drug lords. a forgery? is this a police attempt to get the truth out of misty croslin's mother? >> pressure mounts as cops hope new details from misty's brother, tommy croslin, will lead to the truth about what happened to haleigh. >> i didn't do anything with -- to that little girl. i would never hurt her. they love me. they -- i mean, they look at me like their mom. >> meanwhile, police are

investigating a mysterious tip that was left by a woman at a local newspaper around 3:00 p.m. wednesday. >> it took just a few seconds for this blond woman in blue scrubs to drop off a letter with purported information about what happened to haleigh cummings. one paragraph long, typed, and has three letters at the bottom that resemble initials. >> the woman has since come forward to help clarify the information, telling cops she was dropping the envelope off for someone else. >> if the information is accurate, it's going to be pretty volatile. >> i believe haleigh is alive. i have faith in god to take care of my baby girl and find her. and i don't care who had something to do with it. those are the people who need to be put away. >> good evening. i'm jean casarez of the legal network "in session" in for nancy grace tonight.

as we go to air, police have arrested misty croslin's mother. >> 911. what's your emergency? >> hi. i just woke up and our back door was wide open and we can't find our daughter. >> more details emerge in the case of missing florida girl haleigh cummings. misty's mom arrested. lisa croslin the mother of stepmom/babysitter misty croslin has been detained in tennessee for allegedly forging stolen checks. police believe lisa croslin stole checks from a neighbor, then cashed one of those checks at a local bank. >> this mother, remember, came out against misty and said that she believed that her son was telling the truth and that misty was not. maybe they want to put her in jail so they can ask tough questions about why she came to such a conclusion. >> lisa croslin told fox affiliate wofl -- >> deep down any heart yes, i think my daughter's holding something back. i think they both are holding something back.

that's just in my heart. >> also today, police are looking into a tip left at a local newspaper wednesday. newly released surveillance video shows a woman in blue scrubs dropping off an envelope around 3:00 p.m. that day. >> the paper's name and address was on the envelope, sealed. they're looking at the letter and the envelope for fingerprints. >> the woman has since voluntarily come forward to clarify the information, saying she was actually dropping off the envelope for someone else. police are following up on the tip but refuse to comment on the details inside the envelope. >> miss neves, why are you so sure haleigh is still with us? >> because i stand on god's promise that if you pray and believe that he will give you what you pray for. >> let's go straight out to marlaina schiavo, producer of "nancy grace" who has been on this case from the beginning. marlaina, what can you tell us about the arrest that just went down of misty croslin's mother, lisa? >> jean, misty croslin's mother is being held in tennessee. she was arrested for charges on

forgery. she's being held in tennessee, jean, on $100,000 bond. they want to keep her in tennessee right now until putnam county can bring her back to florida.

well, while she is being arrested in tennessee, at the very same time police are releasing a video down in florida of a mystery woman that florida of a mystery woman that went to the st. augustine newspaper. there she is right there. and handing them an envelope. let's go straight out to t.j. hart, program director wsky, 97.3 fm. what can you tell us about this? it just happened. >> well, this woman voluntarily walked into the putnam county police station. made contact with them. they spoke with her. they're not going to release her name, but they did say she has no, quote, relationship as she dropped this information off to the associate editor of "the st. augustine record" for a friend. that's all she's saying right now.

but after that not much more because they want to keep this under wraps. i do know that a search ensued out in the area earlier this week, about a day or two ago, probably -- i think it was yesterday now. right out where the trailer was where ron, misty, haleigh, and junior lived in hermit's cove just outside of satsuma. >> so police get this letter. they then have a search done near the trailer. do we know if the letter was typewritten or handwritten? >> can't tell you, ma'am, they're not releasing the contents. >> we don't know. do we know if the envelope was addressed to someone on the outside? >> yes. richard pryor, the associate editor for the "st. augustine record." it had his name and the paper's name right there on the envelope and the envelope was sealed. >> let's go straight out to the lawyers tonight. gloria allred, family law attorney out of los angeles. anne bremner out of seattle, defense attorney extraordinaire. alan ripka out of new york, defense attorney. to gloria allred, at first blush you see that misty's mother was arrested in tennessee.

felony forgery charges. you say, well, it's separate and distinct from this, but is it really, gloria allred? is this separate and distinct or are they trying to find out information? because the last thing the woman said before she left florida was "i think my daughter knows more than what she's saying." >> well, jean, i think that the first thing is that of course police would always deny that they're trying to pressure anyone in custody to give any other information about a crime for which they are not charged. but at the same time, of course, they'd be real happy if the person in custody would give them some other information or clarification about statements they made earlier. and in this case the mom, who was under arrest now, has indicated some doubts about misty's story. and so perhaps they'd like to hear more about that. >> questioning the veracity of her own daughter. to anne bremner, misty's mother

is in tennessee. florida authorities are down in satsuma. we've got to have a legal proceeding right now, right? it's called extradition. >> it's called extradition, and she may fight it, and that may take some more time. and the fact is, like nancy has said -- and by the way, great to see you, jean. is that the jail cells are not filled with forgers. they're with killers and murderers et cetera. you don't see extraditions on a forgery very often. unless they need to get her in there to talk to her as a witness. >> that's right. to reiterate so everybody knows, what police are saying is that when allegedly, tommy croslin, her son, went to the neighbor's home and allegedly stole a gun, that's why he was brought up on grand theft charges, that she allegedly stole some checks out of the neighbor's home and one of those checks she wrote for $400 and cashed it. thus you have the forgery charge right there. but the question remains just as anne bremner says, you have a lot of people, violent criminals that are in this area and in this country. alan ripka, what do you think

about an arrest in tennessee on a forgery charge? >> well, i think it's going to really help them put a lot of pressure on her to talk further. but i also think the defense is going to love it. because in the beginning the prosecutors were hopeful that the mother's testimony against her own daughter would be helpful. now she's arrested on forgery, which is a crime of credibility, and, therefore, she loses credibility in her statements about her own daughter. >> to nancy in virginia. we're taking your calls live tonight. hi, nancy in virginia. what's your question? >> caller: i was wondering if anyone has heard or seen from misty croslin. >> that's a very good question. let's go out to art harris. art, misty croslin left town too. a lot of people are leaving town. where is she right now? >> i can tell you that she is not at home and she is on the road, not expected back anytime soon. as a result of a fight with ronald. she's with a friend, i'm told. and right now ronald does not want to talk to her. >> so misty is not back in town, she's with a friend. ronald is in town. what do you make of it, art harris? >> well, i think that there is not -- there is trouble in paradise. ronald and misty on the rocks. her family, revolving door at

the putnam county jail. very distraught. i just talked to her father a little while ago. and this is a family in trouble that doesn't know what to think, jean. >> i pulled into the yard, and my girlfriend opened the front door, and i already knew something was wrong because she's not up at this time. and i said, what are you doing up at this time? and she said, "your back door's wide open, and your daughter's gone." ever worn your clothes in the shower? if you're using other moisturizing body washes, you might as well be. you see, their moisturizer sits on top of skin,

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i pulled into the yard. the front door was wide open. she was standing in it. i asked her what she was doing up. she told me that the back door was wide open and haleigh was gone. i turned the house upside down, told her to call 911. >> i'll show you the back door and show you how both doors close automatically. so -- and i'm also going to show you the lock, because the lock is about three feet from the floor, and we know that that's about as tall as haleigh stands. >> i did take a polygraph. >> and you passed it? >> i mean, my understanding is that i passed it. >> what is her story about what happened that night? >> the same thing that she's telling police or whoever, that she went to bed -- she put haleigh to bed, done some laundry, went to bed and woke up to the door propped open. >> you said your back door was wide open? >> yeah, it was brick, like a

brick on the floor. like, when i went to sleep the door was not like that. >> why are you so sure haleigh is still with us? >> because i stand on god's promise that if you pray and believe that he will give you what you pray for. >> i'm jean casarez of the legal network "in session" in for nancy grace tonight. i want to go tout to pat brown, criminal profiler, author of "killing for sport." out of minneapolis tonight. pat, i want to ask you, if you were part of the fdle, federal department of law enforcement, or the sheriff's office, would you personally go to tennessee right now to start talking with misty croslin's mother, or would you wait for extradition? >> well, i think it all depends on the little plan they've got going there. they want to make her sweat, obviously. they want to make her think, oh, my god, i've got such a huge amount of money against me here. they're really leaning on me heavy. and i'm going to get stuck forever in jail. i'm going to get a huge sentence.

depending on what they can get her to believe without her lawyer interfering. so i think -- i don't know that they know she knows that much, but they're going for everything they can right now, just any little bits and pieces that might direct them to the right place or get them some kinds of evidence that they can use to pressure misty or ron with so they can get the information from them. i think they're leaning heaviest on misty. i think they're just trying to zoom in on her from all angles to get her to open up and finally tell the truth. >> but the thing is, pat brown, somebody knows something. somebody does. and nobody's talking. and there's a $30,000 reward right now. somebody can get $30,000. that's a lot of money. why isn't anybody coming forward? >> well, it depends. if only a couple people know what happened, then those couple people aren't talking and my guess is those couple are misty and ron. then there's nobody else to talk but the two of them. and my question is this. if ron is so concerned about getting his daughter back, why is he hanging around with the girlfriend who's lying about everything and marrying the girl? there's something wrong with that whole picture. he should be joining the police against her if he thinks that she has something to do with his missing daughter.

the police are saying wait a minute, that's bizarre behavior, therefore, i think ron knows. i think misty knows something. the weakest link there is actually going to be misty. so they're going to be pushing her because they think she's got the answer. >> and that's a good question, to dr. lisa weinstock, psychiatrist out of new york. everyone almost is now saying they believe that misty is holding something back. her mother said that right before she moved out of town. and now was arrested on felony forgery charges. her father said that before he moved out of town with their mother. and also, others are saying that. why is ron sticking by her side? >> well, he may be sticking by her side because he truly believes she has nothing to do with it. or it may be that deep down he does have an inkling that maybe she had something to do with it but to actually come to terms with that and admit that to himself and others sort of implies that indirectly he's somewhat responsible for the fact that his daughter is gone because he's the one who chose to leave his daughter with her. so that may be something that he's not even really willing to admit to himself, much less to

anybody else. >> to lynn in pennsylvania. hi, lynn. the great state of pennsylvania. where are you from in pennsylvania? >> caller: hi. it's in red hill, pennsylvania. >> great. what's your question? >> caller: well, i have a couple. first of all, right now there's a letter that was just dropped off and they're not looking for misty. nobody. they're after her mother but not misty. and my second question is where was junior when all this was supposed to have happened, that she was taken to a bar and -- or wherever, a party, and ingested the oxycontin. where was junior? >> okay. good questions. first of all, let's talk about that letter that you just mentioned. once again to marlaina schiavo, "nancy grace" producer. this is a letter that was just given to the "st. augustine record" newspaper. do we know anything about the contents of this letter? there's surveillance video of the woman dropping it off. police have now spoken with her. she said she dropped it off from someone else asking her to. but it's a tip that could burst this case wide open.

what do we know? >> well, actually, jean, we do know that it was a typed letter. so that's one thing. and the other thing we do know is that this -- the contents of this letter had nothing to do with what happened that night but it had more to do with a location for where the putnam county police should search. >> when i laid down, i guess, you know, i just was out. you've wanted to quit smoking so many times, but those days came and went,. but today's a new day. and a few simple steps can make a real difference in your next quit...

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we need to get her date of birth. >> what's her date of birth? >> we need to find her. >> they haven't let me alone for six months. i've been the one, the main focus. they just need to move on and look for the right person. >> i'm not hiding anything for anybody. and if somebody has something to do with it, let them fry. >> i believe haleigh is alive. i have faith in god to take care of my baby girl and find her. and i don't care who had something to do with it. those are the people who need to be put away and bring my baby girl home.

>> i'm jean casarez of the legal network "in session," in for nancy grace. once again, misty croslin's mother, lisa croslin, has been arrested in nashville, tennessee. it's on charges for check forgery. her bail tonight, $100,000. i want to go back to lynn from pennsylvania because one of her second questions was in regard to junior, that where he was the night allegedly that there was a party, here's what lynn is talking about. there was a letter, a handwritten letter that an inmate from a local jail in satsuma sent to her boyfriend. police are saying this is a forgery and a fake, but in this handwritten letter she says police came to her in jail with a sworn affidavit. that is something that somebody swears under penalty of perjury. they said that there was a party the night that haleigh went missing and that haleigh was

there and that something terrible happened, that haleigh took an oxycontin pill and ingested it, even accidentally took it, and she died. and someone put her in a black bag, put her in this woman's car, and then took her to a lake. the question is junior isn't mentioned in this letter at all. out to art harris. what about it? where would junior have been the night that little haleigh went missing? >> well, jean, i have got that letter on artharris.com. and that is the big question. junior could have been asleep. the theory that police were investigating, and i'm told that letter is not considered totally bogus, it is something that declares this friend of misty was confronted and interviewed by detectives about this theory. and the theory was that she took the kids to this so-called party, possibly junior fell asleep, didn't need to be kept quiet, misty -- something happened supposedly to haleigh, and then her body had to be dumped. that is what the letter says. >> to marlaina schiavo, isn't it true that in this letter it talks about an area where allegedly the body was put, and

isn't that the area that was searched last weekend by authorities? >> that's right. this letter talks about the mondex and the pond that was mentioned in this letter was the pond that they drained last friday. >> her and junior were sleeping in my queen-size bed and she was sleeping in the top bed beside her, three or four feet from her, whatever. want to know how fast it took my stiff joints to feel better? one pack. 6 days. that's elations. new elations. clinically proven to improve joint comfort... in as little as six days. drinking it every day keeps it working. elations has clinically proven levels... of glucosamine and chondroitin, in a powerful form that's more absorbable... than joint supplement pills. tastes great. goodbye, horse pills. start your joints on the road to comfort... in one pack, six days. that's elations.

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what we need is for misty to come down here and tell us the truth. >> i'm trying to do everything to find her. you know, answer any questions i have to. because i know i didn't do anything with -- to that little girl. >> misty can relieve this pressure by telling her attorney that, you know, we need to go down to the sheriff's office and really lay out in clear terms what i was doing from 8:00 p.m. till 3:00 a.m. >> do you believe she left the home and left the children alone, ronald? >> absolutely not. >> you stand very strongly behind misty croslin's story. what do you make of police saying that she has the answers? >> i have to leave the investigative part of this to law enforcement because, you know, if i go with every whim and every accusation then i'm going to be flipping back and forth in my life and, you know, what we stand -- you know, we just stand for haleigh here. we just want haleigh to come home. and i want them to find whoever this is, and i don't care who it is. but we want haleigh to come home. >> i'm jean casarez of the legal network "in session" in for nancy grace tonight. news out of tennessee. misty croslin's mother has been arrested in tennessee. let's go out to marlaina schiavo. where is she actually tonight, marlaina? >> she's behind bars, jean, and she will remain there until putnam county authorities come

and extradite her back to florida. >> now, marlaina, she's actually got three felony charges here. we're looking at forgery. we've got uttering a forged instrument. and petty theft. and we found out the maximum is five years on each charge. so that's a maximum of 15 years right there. do we know at all when extradition may begin? >> she may not go back until next week. they're waiting on the authorities now. she was just arrested i believe it was last night. so it should be any day now. >> all right. to t.j. hart, program and news director wsky 97.3 fm. also could be extremely important information from the "st. augustine record" newspaper. it's not the newspaper itself, but it's somebody walking in the front door. explain that. >> well, this woman came in, and she had an envelope that was addressed to the associate editor, richard pryor, and it was an envelope. it was sealed.

had his name on it, had the address on the envelope. and the contents, according to pryor, very volatile. now, he said he can't reveal what the letter says, but he said it's a paragraph long, it's typed, it has three letters at the bottom that resemble initials. and he says if the information's accurate it's going to be quote, pretty volatile. and that sparked off a search yesterday by law enforcement out there at hermit's cove where the trailer of ronald, misty, haleigh, and junior, where they lived at the time haleigh vanished. >> you know, one thing, when authorities say they're following every lead, they truly are in this case. to pat brown, criminal profiler, author of "killing for sport." you know, pat, at first glance i say to myself, why would you take the letter to the newspaper? why wouldn't you take it to the police? but then i think of the btk serial killer in kansas. there were a lot of letters that were given to the news media, actually written by the killer

himself in that case and helped solve the crime. >> right. there's a number of reasons, jean. unfortunately, you have to weigh is it this one or is it that one? one possibility is the person is just seeking attention. they know if they go straight to the police department it might go in with a bunch of tips, might get ignored but if they take it to the press that might get out there and they're going to feel like they got some attention. that's one possibility. another possibility is they're afraid of the police and don't want to have any contact with the police but they actually have real information. but the police get this all the time. so the problem is is this stuff -- is there any meaning behind it? in other words, does it make any sense or do we have somebody who thinks they're a psychic and they've just envisioned haleigh is in a certain place and, therefore, they've written this down and taken it in and now police are going in digging up half the land and there's no body there. but they have to be careful. they have to cull it and make sure they don't overlook something just by saying that's probably just a nut case so, let me just throw it away. >> to sheeba in illinois. hi, sheeba. what's your question? >> caller: hi, jean. my question is what if haleigh and junior were at this party and they stayed in the car and they were having trouble keeping haleigh in the car and somebody slipped them something to sleep and when they went back to check on, of course, she had o.d.'d

which meant she had had a seizure, which meant she had vomited and soiled herself and wet herself and they all got scared and they did wrap her up with something and throw her in a local lake -- >> well, if -- >> caller: or is there a close old cemetery that is still used that has any fresh graves in it? >> well, you know what you're saying, sheeba, you're talking about parties to a crime, people that no one would talk about what happened because all were involved. you bring up an interesting issue, though, to gloria allred out of los angeles, family law attorney. do you think there should be a dual investigation right now, at least from child protective services, because of this handwritten letter from an inmate at the jail right now,

somebody held in custody, talking about a type of a party? should they be investigating the household, itself? >> well, if the police think there's nothing to that letter, then that's one thing. but on the other hand, of course, if there is an open door and then junior was in fact sleeping there at the time, then maybe there is a child -- a potential child endangerment to be looking at. definitely my sense of it is the child protective services would be on the alert. because of the little missing haleigh. >> gloria, it's interesting. police have said yes, we lend no credibility to this letter. yet, gloria, that lake area is where they searched last weekend, and number two, the car that belongs to the person in custody, they have recently searched that car forensically because that's the car the sworn affidavit said the body was taken in and then dumped to the lake. let's go out to melissa in tennessee. hi, melissa, your question. >> caller: hi, jean. first of all, i want to tell you thank you for covering for

nancy. i'm such an avid watcher, and i love the show. >> well, good. thank you. nancy thanks you. >> caller: good. i have a couple questions. my first question is did misty have access to emergency vehicle? if she's keeping ronald's kids while he's at work, did she have access to an emergency vehicle should something happen to the kids when he's gone? and two, why weren't all the family members, friends, and acquaintances sequestered long before this, pushed into lie detector tests, and if there was a party going on at the house why weren't there fingerprints taken all over the house and the garbage? i mean, just as a citizen we just think when there's something like this, a high-profile case and this child's been mising for so long, we just assume authorities are doing every possible thing they can. it just seems like now new information is coming out that could have come out sooner. >> yes. as in seven months ago in

february. let's go to the expert on this, art harris, investigative journalist, artharris.com. art, first of all, misty was the caregiver for those children, especially when ron was at work. %id she have a vehicle in case there was an emergency? >> well, she actually did drive -he kids sometime, and her family had a blue van, jean, that misty did drive, and it was found, you know, in the driveway at her home. a scratch down the side. and i know authorities have processed that van, they brought it back the other day, i actually saw it. it was all dusty and white with finger print powder. they did not find anything or at least they're not revealing if they did. >> art, let's go back to the grinning, what melissa just did from tennessee. was everybody questioned in the beginning? was everybody taken in and asked what they know? and why didn't they say these things then? >> well, you know, it's funny. the law enforcement has done so much more than they have let on. and that has been the big frustration. how much to release. how much not to release. they have interviewed everybody in that family time and time

again and everybody around that family. they have done hundreds and hundreds of interviews. they have hours and hours of tape at the department, and they continue to go over old interviews they've done, jean, then comparing them with the information, the new information they're getting from these people again. >> and very quickly, what do you hear about florida authorities going to tennessee to question misty's mother further? >> well, if i read the court documents correctly, jean, she has a first appearance next wednesday, and anytime they can go and take her after that to florida and she'll be on a $10,000 bond there. i talked to her husband today, hank jr. he's distraught. he's trying to figure out how he can get the bond to get his wife out -- >> all right, art. thank you very much. that would be an extradition hearing next week. to tonight's safety tips. each year 200,000 children end up in the e.r. from accidents on the playground. some of them are fatal. here are safety tips to protect your children. the number one injury -- falls. make sure protective surfacing is underneath all playground equipment. this will lower the risk of

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what do you make of misty flunking a polygraph? >> i don't know anything about her flunking a polygraph. i know what's been said about it, but i'm not a polygrapher myself. so i didn't see any results. i didn't get to -- you know. i was told by the polygrapher who did the polygraph that it's not judged in percentages. >> showed up there, they told me i was taking a polygraph. i was like, okay. >> did you at any point say i don't want to do this? >> no. >> why? >> because i thought i was helping. i was trying to do everything i

can to find haleigh. >> he's not as strong at home as he is on tv, but he has to be strong for junior, you know? so he does the best that he can. he keeps his crying to his self. at night. and just tries to make junior happy until haleigh comes home. junior thinks that haleigh is lost and she's finding her way home. he actually drew her a map so she could find her way home. >> what do you tell him? >> that angels are watching haleigh and she'll be home soon. >> i'll jean casarez of the legal network "in session" in for nancy grace tonight. misty croslin's mother, lisa croslin, arrested. now in a local jail in nashville, tennessee. arrested on check forgery charges, held tonight on $100,000 bail, at the very same time in florida someone took the time to type out an entire letter about the missing of

haleigh cummings, where she might be, what might have happened to her. authorities have it. that letter was hand-delivered to the "st. augustine record." i want to go to dr. gwen o'keefe, m.d. out of boston, founder and ceo of pediatricsnow.com. you know, doctor, haleigh went missing in february. it's now seven months later. she was 5 years old when she went missing. how much would she have grown in these seven months? >> she probably wouldn't have grown all that much. at this age kids' growth really slows down. plus with turner syndrome they have growth issues. so we would expect her growth really not to alter too much. >> to anne bremner, defense attorney out of seattle, washington. i want you to listen to something right now and observe it. this is misty croslin's mother right before she left town out of florida. she had a comment for the news media. it was about her daughter, let's listen. >> deep down in my heart i think

my daughter's holding back. i think they both are holding something back. that's just in my heart. i'm going to tell her i love her and if you know anything at all please tell me. i mean, we can work it through. i'll be right there by your side, we'll get through it, just please tell me whatever you're holding back. >> and that's misty croslin's mother, lisa croslin, who said on wofl, fox 35, that she believes that misty may be hiding something. shortly after that she left florida. she moved out of florida with her husband. to anne bremner, you saw that, you watched it. >> yeah. >> is she credible? >> you have to wonder why is she talking to the media? and she's her mother. she should be supporting her. you have to wonder, why did she say that? then why did she leave? you know, evidence of flight can be evidence of guilt, of course,

jean. so it really makes you wonder about it. and then she is on crimes of dishonesty right now with forgery and attendant charges. so it's very interesting about her motives and what she has to say. or the defense would say is she talking about someone else that misty's covering up for and she's just being protective of her daughter in general? >> or, to alan ripka. and you mentioned a problem with her credibility now that she's been charged with check forgery. but maybe she's not -- maybe her daughter won't talk to her. maybe she's not in communication with her daughter. was she trying to send a message to her that she actually loved her and was there to help her in any way? >> well, watching her, it would appear that she was trying to be true and she was trying to help the public and the police and sending a message to the public and her daughter indicating look, i know there's something else there and i'd like you to come forward. despite the fact she was arrested for forgery. i would think most jurors would think if you're threatening or claiming something about your own daughter you're probably

legitimate. >> let's go to dr. lisa weinstock, the true expert, psychiatrist, in all of this. what do you make of that video? talking against your own daughter? >> well, it strikes me a little odd the stance that she took. i mean, she didn't say i know that she was involved. nor did she say i'm sure she's not involved. nor did she say i would support her no matter what, although she sort of said that a little bit at the end. she sort of made this vague comment that she suspects her daughter might know something. and that strikes me as somewhat odd because one would think if she knew her daughter knew something or if she knew something she would be more straightforward or forthcoming with that either to the media or to the police. so i'm not quite sure what to make of it. i do agree that she probably at some level was trying to communicate to her daughter that she's there to support her. but again, the precise wording of it strikes me as a bit odd. >> and the fact is all the attorneys know if anything ever gets in court and her daughter is even a witness in this case that statement could come back to haunt her because it was used -- it would be used by prosecutors if she would be a defense witness on cross-examination. we've got a caller standing by in florida tonight waiting patiently. rick, are you still there? >> caller: oh, yeah, i'm still here, jean. thank you.

>> sure, what's your question? >> caller: well, it's kind of a question/statement. ronald, you know, he's been saying all along how forthcoming he's been with all his information and he'll do whatever it takes to get haleigh home. and i kind of understand that. but my question is what was just released is his cell phone, wasn't it 20 calls to misty that night and couldn't get in touch with her and he wound up calling her brother? >> you're right. the fact is it has been reported 20 mimes he called tommy croslin because he couldn't find misty or reach her. and now, everybody, tonight's "cnn heroes." >> announcer: this is "cnn heroes." >> abuse cuts across race, religion, culture. i'm muslim, born and raised in pakistan. immigrated to new york in 1990. within the muslim community

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>> there's no way she wouldn't have heard that. nancy, that front door is all but ten feet from the bedroom where misty was sleeping with haleigh and junior that night. the plumber finds evidence in a murder case? what happened to the police? >> well, it sounds like they had to have a plumber go to that lab room. that's right, nancy. the investigation continues in new haven. i want to report to you a story about a dedicated mother who heads off in the early morning hours to catch her carpool and is not only stabbed in a public parking lot, but then the assay lent gets back in his car and coming back to run her over. >> still critical tonight. it's unknown where her children are at this point. she did have custody of them and her ex-husband had visitation. it's unclear whether they're with them or not. >> miss neves, tell me how ronald is holding up. i mean, he comes on our show frequently and he's always so

strong. how is he holding up? >> he's not as strong at home as he is on tv, but he has to be strong for junior, you know? so, he does the best that he can. he keeps his crying to his self at night and just tries to make junior happy until haleigh comes home. tonight, let us stop to remember army private first class justin casillas, just 19 years old from dunnigan, california. he was from a long line of military veterans. he dreamed of enlisting since he was a young boy. awarded the bronze star and purple heart. he loved football, playing drums and daring stunts. his favorite music, hip hop. leaves behind parents chuck and donna. justin casillas. an american hero. thank you so much to all of our guests and you being with us

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