breaking news tonight. satsuma, florida. a 5-year-old little girl tucked into bed. five hours later she's gone. vanished. the back door propped wide open. daddy comes home from the night shift to find not a trace of little haleigh. bombshell tonight. a letter emerges in the search for haleigh outlining details of a party the night haleigh goes missing. a party fueled by drugs. at the party, misty croslin. with her little haleigh.

reports that night little haleigh accidentally ingests the heavy-duty painkiller oxycontin and dies. we have the letter. this as new stepmom misty croslin skips town after a bitter fight with haleigh's father ronald cummings. croslin's brother behind bars on a gun charge, leading to another break. in a late-night jailhouse interrogation we learned the brother finally confesses he goes to haleigh's house the night she goes missing, pounds on the door repeatedly. nobody home. phone records confirming ronald cummings tries det prattly to to reach misty croslin. no answer. where was she during those crucial hours when haleigh goes missing? investigators focusing o'not a heavily wooded area, draining a local pond in connection with haleigh. as girlfriend turned stepmom misty croslin flunks another

polygraph, tonight where is haleigh? >> was haleigh cumming the victim of a drug overdose? according to a letter allegedly from one of stepmom/babysitter misty croslin's friends. >> and tonight live to connecticut and the sudden disappearance of a gorgeous young ivy league doctoral student just before she's set to walk down the aisle. the 24-year-old beauty last spotted on grainy surveillance video walking into a yale research building. a false fire alarm mysteriously goes off in the building. people rush out. annie le never seen again. at nearly the exact hour le set to walk down the aisle, wedding dress on a hanger in the closet,

flowers order ed, the girl's boy found stuffed in a two-foot wall cable space there in yale's research building. in the early morning hours police storm a super 8 motel to arrest 24-year-old lab tech raymond clark on murder one. tonight, clark's alleged history of stalking, threatening, harassing women resurfaces. his former girlfriend breaking her silence, revealing clark a control freak during their relationship. lashing out, dictating what she says, where she goes. even what she wears. we have the video. investigators back at the crime scene, zeroing in on a basement washroom where mouse cages are cleaned. was this senseless murder over laboratory mice cages? and another twist. was suspect raymond clark fueled

by steroids? >> a former girlfriend claims the man accused of killing a yale university grad student was extremely controlling. >> in a shocking interview with "good morning america" ray clark's ex-girlfriend was so scared of the yale lab tech, telling abc news clark would get very angry, often "frighten me. he'd get this little look in his eye, and sometimes it was just better to do what he said." >> he would frighten me. it escalated a lot after -- i mean, with the controlling issue it escalated from there. >> jessica dell rocco tells abc's "good morning america" clark told her what clothes she could wear and who she could have as friends. del rocco says clark sometimes got so angry she was frightened. >> in a matter of weeks jessica says clark went from the perfect boyfriend to becoming manipulative, controlling. >> it was anger, yelling. as the relationship progressed,

like if things didn't go his way, then he'd make them go his way. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. bombshell tonight. was 5-year-old haleigh taken to a late-night party fueled by drugs where she ingested the heavy-duty painkiller oxycontin? >> i know i didn't do anything to that little girl. i would never hurt her. i mean, they love me. i mean, they look at me like their mom. >> did haleigh cummings die from an overdose of oxycontin? a letter obtained allegedly from a friend of misty croslin claims that haleigh got her hands on the powerful narcotic while at a party with misty and her friends the night of the disappearance. >> now that you have been told, whether you accept it or not, that your wife has flunked a poly, have you asked her what happened?

>> i asked her, but that -- i don't get any answers from her. >> the letter states that cops were given a sworn affidavit from a friend of misty's, who claims everyone at the party "freaked out" when the toddler overdosed, then put haleigh in a black bag and threw her into a pond nearby. >> look at her body language. there are so many tells that she's not telling the truth. she's saying no when it's supposed to be in the affirmative. a lot of shoulder shrugging. the tears that don't look very genuine. it's very disturbing to watch. >> police are denying any friend has come forward making these allegations and are said to be completely ignoring the letter. all of misty's friends have reportedly been cleared, and there are still no suspects in the case. >> as we go to air, we have just heard from local police who say in fact they are not ignoring this theory, that they have been vetting this theory along with several other theories about what has happened to little haleigh and that many points

behind this letter are in fact credible and they are in fact investigating it. we are taking your calls live. first out to marlaina schiavo, our producer on the story. marlaina, what do you know about this letter? but most important, its contents. was there a party the night haleigh went missing? >> that's what this letter is saying, nancy. this letter came from a girl behind bars who is friends with misty, who's a party friend of misty's, who's saying that misty was with her that night -- or this letter's claiming misty, this girl and some other people were together that night and that haleigh was with them partying -- they were all partying and misty got -- excuse me, haleigh got her hands on oxycontin and ingested it and died and that's when this other friend at the party panicked, put haleigh allegedly in a bag, and threw her in a pond. and that's what this letter is

saying. >> now, if the letter is true, i am expected to believe that everybody at this so-called party has managed to keep their yaps shut for this long? that is the hard part for me. what about it, art harris at artharris.com? what can you tell me? you've been investigating this theory for weeks. >> well, nancy, investigators told me exclusively that this letter was legitimate. got a copy of it right here. and in fact, they are taking it seriously. they did confirm that they talked to this friend of misty's in jail, confronted her with this sworn affidavit of a witness, and that she is denying it, but she wrote her boyfriend in this letter saying don't you remember, we were together that night, as if she wants to make sure she has an alibi. >> to t.j. hart, program and news director wsky 97.3 fm, t.j., what do you make of this theory? did such a party take place? has that much been confirmed? and this letter is from who to whom?

>> i'm not going to mention names. it's from -- >> i don't care about the names. >> but the recipient was indeed her boyfriend. that has been verified. this boyfriend read this to several people over the phone. we had it scan-faxed to us. and that's how we got it. it is legitimate as far as where the letter came from and who it was sent to. now, the party, that has not been confirmed. however, you remember they talked about a pond. well, in that letter they also talked about the black bag being dropped in a pond at the mondex. well, that's exactly where a pond was drained over the weekend. the l pond at the mondex. so there is something to this letter. >> out to the lines, we are taking your calls live. kimberly in washington. hi, kimberly. >> caller: hi, nancy. so nice to finally talk with you. you're my hero, and i watch you every night. >> kimberly, thank you. and thank you for calling in. what is your question, dear? >> caller: you know, i keep on thinking about little junior.

he was allegedly there that night. i know early on in the investigation they said possibly he said there was a man there. i was wondering if police are still questioning him. >> let's go to a special guest joining us tonight, the grandmother of haleigh and of junior. teresa neves is with us. she has staunchly supported misty croslin throughout. miss neves, thank you for being with us. what about junior? have police continued to question him? has he been questioned at all by police? >> he has been questioned, miss nancy. he gave them information the night -- or the morning that this happened. and they're not questioning him now. you know?

>> yes. i understand. miss neves, at one point i recall that junior, the little brother, had stated that there were other people in the home that evening. what do you recall about his statement? >> junior's initial statement to the law enforcement was that he saw a man in black, i believe, was what they said. >> yes. >> and then it changed, you know. but he didn't change it. other people changed it. >> yes. miss neves, what do you make of this letter? do you put any stock in it? >> nancy, i'm like you. i do not think that that many people, with a $70,000 reward, are going to sit at home and not say anything. i do not believe for one second that my granddaughter would take something like that because of the taste of it. just simply for that fact. in my busy kitchen, i want nothing but the best. which is why eggland's best... are the only eggs for me. in my busy kitchen, i love eggland's best... because they have less saturated fat, and great taste. that's why they're the only eggs... i make for my son. the chef. eggland's best. the better egg.

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according to a letter allegedly from one of stepmom/babysitter misty croslin's friends, haleigh died of an overdose of oxycontin and then her body was thrown into a pond. >> i'll do anything to get her'll back. people think i had something to

do with. . >> the letter says police were given a sworn affidavit by a friend of misty's that states misty, haleigh, and a group of friends were partying at one of the friends' homes the night of haleigh's disappearance when haleigh overdosed, the friends panicked, shoved haleigh's body in a black bag and tossed her in a nearby pond. >> crystal, what do you make of the recent developments, the development especially of misty croslin flunking a polygraph? >> well, i've thought all along that she has something to do with it. and now this kind of just proves it. she was the last one to see our daughter and her stories just don't add up. >> police say they are completely ignoring the letter and are denying any existence of this sworn affidavit from misty's friend. reports are all of the friends have been cleared. >> she is still the most important witness in this case. she's the last person to see the children. she was with them. she's an important person to be spoken to, and law enforcement needs to go get her.

>> okay, sir, let me talk to your wife. let me get some information from her. >> man. [ bleep ]. >> okay. can i talk to her? okay. >> how the [ bleep ] can you let my daughter get stole? >> somebody stole my child out of my bed. i come home from work and my child was not there. >> i put her to bed about 8:00. and i woke up and she was gone. that door was wide open. >> do you believe that misty was indeed home and that she's been telling the truth? >> yeah, i believe she's telling the truth. >> what we need is for misty to come down here and tell us the truth. >> i didn't hear anything at all. i mean, i was really exhausted that day, you know. really exhausted. and when i laid down, i guess i was just out. >> i was told, you know, that she went to bed at 10:00. being that exhausted, i think that maybe you could sleep through somebody beating on the door. >> the officers are going to come out there and do what they can. we can't have him screaming and yelling at the officers whenever they get there. okay? >> uh-huh. >> give me my [ bleep ] phone.

i've got better people to talk to than a [ bleep ] that ain't coming. >> straight back out to marlaina schiavo. you have been in the home. what do you think? how far away is that front door from where misty croslin says she was sleeping? could you really not have heard somebody banging on the door if she goes to bed at 10:00 and the brother gets there between 9:30, bangs on the door till 10:00 and then waits for her to get home, no sign of life inside? >> i find it really hard to believe that no one could hear that. the bedroom is in the front of the house. eight, maybe ten feet away from that room. and nancy, remember, this is a trailer. it's not a big place. it's not soundproof. and if he's banging away like the cops say he was, there's no way she couldn't have heard that. >> we are taking your calls live. let's unleash the lawyers. joining me tonight out of new york, family law attorney susan moss.

also with us tonight out of atlanta, defense attorney renee rockwell. and also in new york defense attorney, former federal prosecutor doug burns. sue moss, what about it? >> did he really go to the trailer door, or was this just some folklore? i mean, if he was at the trailer door, there's no way she was in that trailer. there's no way she could have slept through this. there's no way the kids could have slept through him banging on the doors. somebody is lying, and that's the key to this case. >> to renee rockwell, i want to get back to this letter. this letter that has been written by a woman who is now incarcerated. what do you make of it? whenever i find out a letter -- hey, art, was this letter written from the jailhouse, art harris? >> sure was. it was written from the jailhouse, nancy, and she asks him to "send me some money." >> okay. didn't ask you that.

but thanks for the nugget. renee rockwell, i'm always suspicious since i've gotten so many letters from the jailhouse all over the country. when i was prosecuting, i always wonder if there's an angle. what do they want? what do they want? what's the motive? that's a problem. >> nancy, you can't always talk about and trust a snitch from the jail. but this is not anything that someone from the jail is trying to go to the police with and make a deal with and get a free pass out of jail. this is a letter that has arisen and has emerged and was not necessarily for the eyes of the police. so you've got -- >> that's a good point. >> -- to give a little more trust to a letter like that. >> to doug burns, former prosecutor turned defense attorney. doug, listen. i've used jailhouse rats on the stand before. >> yep. >> if i believe them and if i could corroborate what they had to say. and renee makes a good point. this is not a letter this woman sends trying to get a deal, trying to get a sweetheart deal. this is to her boyfriend asking for some money. this has nothing to do with any ulterior motive.

>> exactly right. but the most important point you just made is you can use this as a great source as long as you can corroborate it. the police can go through every little detail and hopefully there will be kernels of information in there that lead to additional roads, and that's where it can be really good. and as you said at the beginning, and you're right, you can use these witnesses but you've got to corroborate them. >> well, sometimes you've got to go to hell to get the witness to put the devil in jail, unfortunately. to caryn stark, psychologist joining us in our new york studios, caryn, weigh in. >> well, i'll tell you, nancy, it sounds so suspicious. and if you take a look at the grandmother who's supporting misty, that also doesn't make a lot of sense compared to her own mother, who doesn't seem to be supporting her. so there's so much confusion, and it's very hard to piece this apart -- >> but i find it important that teresa neves, who's her paternal grandmother, supports misty croslin. where her own blood mother doesn't. to me that speaks volumes in misty croslin's favor. >> well, i don't know about that. because usually parents stand by their children. i mean, take a look at casey anthony. that mother was swearing by her no matter what.

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i want to get to the bottom of what happened. i don't know if hypnosis is going to do it. they've already tried to hypnotize -- >> are you of the mind that you should try anything? >> absolutely. if that's what we need to, do then that's what we can do. >> i'm trying to do everything to find her, you know, answer any questions i have to. because i know i didn't do anything to that little girl. >> here's the back screen door. the one that was propped open with the cinder block. okay? now, if you see, when it closed, it slams. it makes a loud noise.

but if you leave this door, this slowly closes as well. >> i just want everybody to know that i didn't do anything with that little girl. i love her like she's my own. >> straight out to the lines. katie in north carolina. hi, katie. >> caller: hi. i was curious because when tommy came by the door had to be locked but when misty woke up it was open. so was the lock broken? i mean, how did the door get unlocked? >> good question. marlaina schiavo, what can you tell us? you've actually tested out the door. >> well, the door tommy was knocking on was the front door. the door that was propped open was the side door. so the lock was not -- the lock wasn't broken. it just -- the door was just propped open. >> out to the lines. tracy, ohio. hi, tracy. >> caller: hi, nancy. i just love you. >> thank you, tracy in ohio. i've got to tell you, i could use that love tonight. i've been up since 4:30 this morning with the twins.

they're wearing mommy ragged, but i tell you, when i take a look at this story and i think about ronald cummings, teresa neves never seeing their daughter and granddaughter for all these months, maybe never again, they can wake me up every morning at 4:30 for the rest of my life. i'm just so grateful. what is your question, dear? >> caller: my question, nancy, is i wanted to know if there was a party that misty was at with haleigh, would there -- would the other people involved in that party be involved in this too? would they be charged? >> good question. sue moss, renee rockwell, doug burns, again, i've got to reiterate. it's very difficult for me to believe that a bunch at a drug party can keep their pie holes shut this many months, although maybe they think they could be implicated or, renee rockwell, i could see a scenario where there had been a party, maybe haleigh was in the car, maybe she came in to one of the rooms, maybe everyone didn't see her.

there are a lot of scenarios where this could in fact be legitimate. >> legitimate? well, i can say this, nancy. if there was a party and there were illegal drugs or even if they were prescribed but they were left out for a 5-year-old to come in contact with and eat and then die of an overdose, i can absolutely see the whole bunch of them being charged with at least a negligent homicide. >> out to the lines. mary jo in florida. hi, mary jo. >> caller: hey, friend. i'm a big fan of the show. thanks for what you do. >> and thank you for calling in, dear. what's your question? >> caller: i have a two-part question. i was wondering what misty was wearing when ronald got home. was she in pajamas or was she in jeans and -- >> good question. >> caller: and then how much time in between when she allegedly woke up and ronald got home? >> teresa neves, this is haleigh's paternal grandmother. what was she wearing when ronald got home? >> she was wearing a little

pajama top and boxer shorts. >> miss neves, just hearing you upset, we're all throwing around legal theories and this letter and whether it's true or not. what is your message tonight? >> i believe haleigh is alive. i have faith in god to take care of my baby girl and find her. and i don't care who had something to do with it. those are the people who need to be put away and bring my baby girl home. >> miss neves, why are you so sure haleigh is still with us? >> because i stand on god's promise that if you pray and believe that he will give you what you pray for.

>> miss neves, tell me how ronald is holding up. i mean, he comes on our show frequently, and he's always so strong. how is he holding up? >> he's not as strong at home as he is on tv. but he has to be strong for junior. you know? so he does the best that he can. he keeps his crying to his self at night and just tries to make junior happy until haleigh comes home. >> how is junior? does he even realize at this juncture that haleigh is gone? >> junior thinks that haleigh is lost and she's finding her way home. he actually drew her a map so she could find her way home. but he doesn't realize the longevity, i think, of it.

>> you know, i focus so much on where is haleigh, what happened that night. you know, junior has been lost in the mix. i cannot imagine, god forbid, the thought that i would ever have to explain to one of the twins where the other one was, why they were not at home. what do you tell him? >> the angels are watching haleigh and she'll be home soon. >> miss neves, when you hear about, for instance, this letter -- >> yes, ma'am. >> -- how does that affect you? whether you believe it or don't believe it. when you hear there might be a break in the case. >> miss nancy, we would love to have a break in this case, and we really would not care who it implicates as long as it brings haleigh back to us. you know, this letter is a little far-fetched, i think,

because haleigh doesn't like medicine and oxycontin, i've had to take it. i think it's a very nasty taste. and i can't imagine haleigh taking it. so -- but you know, anything that would bring haleigh home, that's what we want. >> with me is teresa neves. this is haleigh's paternal grandmother. miss neves, you stand very strongly behind misty croslin's story. what do you make of police saying that she has the answers? >> i have to leave the investigative part of this to law enforcement because, you know, if i go with every whim and every accusation then i'm going to be flipping back and forth in my life and, you know, what we stand -- you know, we just stand for haleigh here. we just want haleigh to come home.

and i want them to find whoever this is, and i don't care who it is. but we want haleigh to come home. >> we are taking your calls live. with me is teresa neves, haleigh's grandmother. out to lynn in alabama. hi, lynn. >> caller: hi, nancy. i love your show. >> thank you, dear. >> caller: thank you for everything you do. >> what is your question? >> caller: if misty cummings' brother went to the house that night when no one was home, are his fingerprints, have they checked the brick for fingerprints or on the door to the trailer? >> art harris, what do we know? >> no fingerprints on the door. but they found a fist, a bloody fist print when ronald was so upset he punched the door as hard as he could, nancy. >> everyone, i want to give you the tip line again. it is 888-277-tips. 888-277-8477. there is a $70,000 reward in

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police looking into whether clark's attitude may have led to a deadly confrontation. >> annie le was strangled to death in the lab where she worked. clark, who also worked there, is charged with doing it and then trying to hide her body behind a wall in the lab's basement. >> apparently, he was very concerned about how people kept their mice, their cages. there have been some reports that he got very upset when people wouldn't wear plastic booties into the lab or when people wouldn't keep their cages clean. >> as i got to know him, i quickly discovered, i just jogged it as a mental memory that he was controlling, and i was going to stay away from him. >> i thought he was a control freak. >> co-workers tell police he was a control freak. he was also territorial when it came to the lab and the mice he took care of. >> jessica del rocco telling abc news clark would get very angry, "often frighten me." >> he would get very angry

you know, often. >> very angry. woe frighten you? >> yeah, he would frighten me. >> you are seeing raymond clark's former girlfriend, jessica del rocco on abc's "good morning america." out to jean casarez, legal correspondent "in session." these are pretty stunning developments. also, we learned police back at the scene today. >> that's right. new haven police, they went back to the lab building. the building is open for research and investigation. they, though, went down to the basement. they went to a washroom, nancy. and it had lab technicians right in it. asked them to get out. cordoned it off as a crime scene, saying they were looking for what could be potentially important evidence. >> i want to go to rupa mikkilineni, our producer on the story. rupa, the girlfriend, the former girlfriend that speaks out saying that clark, when she was with him, was manipulative, controlling, but how did the relationship start off?

>> the relationship started out, according to jessica del rocco, very sweet. he was very charming, kind, sweet, took her out to dinner. but then it progressed over a period of three months where he became more and more controlling, nancy, and would tell her what to do, would tell her what to wear, how to act, when to speak, when not to speak. >> you know, to you, dr. caryn stark, psychologist, telling her what friends to have, what to wear. he said you talk too softly, you breathe too loudly. >> well, it's typical of somebody who's a control person, nancy, that he feels out of control inside, so he needs to control everything around him, including the person he's with. and somebody who's like that with a woman doesn't feel good about himself as a man. so he keeps trying to refine her and get her to be the way he thinks she should be. >> so how does that fit into this case, mike brooks?

>> nancy, i think what they might be trying to show is a pattern of prior behavior. you know, if this is -- is this the way he was there? is this the way his controlling -- his controllingness was in the lab with all these ph.d. candidates, with the people that came across him? i think that's exactly what they're trying to do, is to show a pattern of behavior leading up to this alleged murder. >> but you know what, to thomas kaplan, the editor in chief of the "yale daily news," it's our understanding that behind bars raymond clark has clammed up. we're not going to learn a lot from him. he's not talking. not to anybody. >> that's true. he hasn't spoken, even before his arrest, when police initially talked to him, he failed a polygraph according to reports and clammed up at that point. and from what we've been told he has not spoken to the authorities since then. so that's why the motive here is such a mystery. >> back to jean casarez with in session, jean, now the possibility of steroid use is rearing its ugly head. >> this is interesting. the "national enquirer" actually is reporting -- >> wait a minute, take a look at those guns this guy's sporting in court.

>> i saw them. >> complete with the tattoo around them to really show them off. >> i saw them. and what the "national enquirer" is reporting is that raymond clark was taking steroids possibly. and you remember the chris benoit case, the wrestler that murdered his wife, baby, and himself. he had ten times the amount of testosterone. it was said at that point it was steroid overdose. you can have a situation where you have anger management issues and impulsiveness. >> out to the lines, kathy in wisconsin. hi, kathy. >> caller: hi. we love your show. i already have your book. i have a question. even though the murder occurred in the basement with animal smells and chemical smells, i find it strange that no one smelled a dead body in four or five days. >> i find that odd, too, dr. joshua perper. what do you make of that? the decomposition. how quickly would it take place?

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the man accused of killing a yale university grad student was extremely controlling. >> in a shocking interview with "good morning america" ray clark's ex-girlfriend was so scared of the yale lab tech telling abc news clark would get very angry, often, frighten me. he'd get this little look in his eye and sometimes it was just better to do what he said. >> i would frighten me. it escalated a lot with the controlling issue. it escalated there. >> jessica del rocco tells abc "good morning america" he told her what clothes she could wear and who she could have as

friends. she says he sometimes got to angry she got frightened. >> in weeks, from the perfect boyfriend to becoming ma nip latif. >> -- if things didn't go his way, then he'd make them go his way. >> new haven police chief say his detectives had eyes on 24-year-old raymond clark as soon as yale police turned over annie le's investigation to them accused of strangling her and stuffing her 90-pound body into a basement wall. out to the lines. peggy in florida. peggy. >> caller: hi, nancy, i love you. >> thank you for watching and for calling, dear. >> caller: i was going to say i was married to someone in the late '80s who was on steroids and he had the same -- he reengted the same way that this girlfriend has explained and even worse and my question is will they try to use this as a defense? >> i think that's an excellent

question. what about it, doug burns? >> i think it's an uphill battle. i mean, obviously where it goes is to some type of mental deficiency as a result of the steroids but people raise that with alcohol and other drugs. a very question the caller possess but i think it will be an uphill battle. as jean casarez mentioned. >> you've right. you've got to convince a jury. first of all voluntary use is not a defense unless you a comatose. what jury is going to forgive you if your defense is hey, it was roid rage, sorry. >> no different than total loss of control like you guys were discussing earlier, an anger problem. the sad part of the case looks like sort of a regular person that went just absolutely nuts so maybe a straight insanity plea but this will be a very vf tough case to defend. >> if he went insane he certainly heeled himself within

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tonight, a family torn apart. mackenzie phillips, back on oprah again with more head-spinning claims about incestuous sex, drug aducks and rape. this time, she has ammo. she's bringing her sister, who's now backing up mackenzie's claims of incest with her dad. other members of her extended clan are lining up against her charging, you lie. "issues" has exclusive information from the family of john phillips. a double dose of evil, blood soaked walls, beaten dogs and day-care. a horrific dog fighting ring busted up out of all places a child care center in illinois.

what? ten children take out during a police raid. cops say the poor dogs were por toured, fighting to the death right next to a children's swingset. who were the sickos who thought dog fighting and day care were a good mix? also reliving a long nightmare. jaycee dugard says she will take the stand against phillip garrido to testify against the monster accused of holding her captive 18 long years. this could force her to reveal every gut-wrenching and sordid sexual detail in front of the whole world all while this poor woman is trying to rebuild her life. tonight's big issue, does the criminal justice system victimize rape survivors twice? plus a celebrity superstar busted for allegedly skipping out on his hotel bill, randy quaid and his wife arrested in texas accused of owing a hotel 10,000 bucks. that's a lot of trips to the minibar. and check out these mugshots.

he claims the bill is paid and the hotel is doing this all for publici publicity. who do you believe? "issues" starts now. shocking and revolting acvations ignite a firestorm of a family feud. the whole world knows this by now, mackenzie phillips says she had sex with her own father rock legend john painting a sickening picture claiming daddy lured her into a frightened world of drugs and forbidden sex and revealed what she calls her darkest secrets to, who else, oprah. >> -- to find myself having sex with my own father. your father is supposed to it protect you. your father is supposed to protect you, not [ bleep ] you. >> her horrifying allegations are dividing her show-biz family especially since john is dead and he cannot defend himself. step-mom, michelle phillips says "you lie "take with a grain of

salt anything said by somebody who had a needle in their arm for 35 years. mackenzie was back on oprah today, but this time, sister chynna came along who backed her up. >> i'm part of my sister, you know. am i exceedingly joyful that my family secret that i told maybe my therapist, my husband and my very best friend in the world, know now a platform for everybody to know it's very upsetting. >> so, you've known for a long time. >> i've known for a long time. >> her other sister is also speaking out. she lived alone with her dad since she was 3 years old and you will not believe what she has to say. are these horrific clamgs true? will we ever know. mackenzie says she has a handful of people who know it happened but is she trustworthy, just last year, mackenzie got busted for heroin and cocaine. we know addicts lie.

is she sober now? straight out to my panelists. also talking to us tonight the widow of john phillips. thank you so much for joining us on the phone. i understand that you did not want to be on camera but still felt you had to speak out to clear john's name. what was your reaction when you first heard these claims? do you believe them or not? >> i, under no circumstances i believe this. i always knew john and i always knew mackenzie not somebody, considering the source, mackenzie phillips, she already admitted to oprah herself the other day that she's a liar. >> why do you think, if you believe that she lied and let's face it, none of us know what happens behind closed doors so

nobody really is going to know because he's dead and how can we verify one way or another what she's saying? but, if you believe that she is lying, why would she lie about something like this? >> well, she's seen a couple years of hard time and tough life and she's just putting out the book right after that. like you said -- it might be the anger. i can add drugs and money symbol it. and -- >> drugs and money? >> yes, because she is making money out of this. listen to this. if you take couple of pages out of the book that she refers to john and allegations she has against john, that book would have never been sold. >> well, yeah, of course. i mean, the reason it's a best seller she's saying she had sex with her famous father and he shot her up and he incested her. i mean, these are horrifying

claims. >> and john cannot defend himself. that's why i'm on the phone with you, i just want to defend him and speak for him. i know john was -- >> how long were you married to him. >> i was married to john for six years and he was sober for like five and a half years out of it. and he was altogether. he loved his family. he would do anything possible. >> was he a drug addict and an alcoholic? >> when i was married to him, no. >> but, previous to that -- >> previous, yes, of course -- >> what years were you married to him. >> i was married to him from 1995 up until 2001, when he passed. and he was -- >> so, he finally got sober. he finally got sober, which is wonderful news. did he ever say to you, i have problems with mackenzie, boy, she's trouble or, wow, something really awful happened? >> john was a very honest person, not like mackenzie said, he was a liar. he was never a liar. he even wrote a book about

himself a long time ago blaming himself for everything that half of it wasn't even him. so, if -- >> all right. >> if he did something like that, don't you think honestly would put that in his book to sell it? and he never did that. >> i just want to say, farnaz, thank you for coming on our show exclusively and talking about your belief that john phillips did not commit the incest that his daughter mackenzie is accusing him of. >> yes. this is the last thing she can chew on and she is chewing on it. i -- my problem is that the headaches she's causing the family, i have -- i'm very upset that bijou is very upset. i love bijou and i think it's not fight to have family divided for money and -- >> thank you, farnaz. this has divided the family.

mackenzie's sister, actress bijou phillips says mackenzie told her about the abuse and said, then, oh, you know what, it never really happened. she says the man who raised me would never be capable of doing such things. if he was, it is heartbreaking to me to think that my family would leave me alone with him. that raises a very good question. lisa bloom, if this actually happened, should mackenzie have made a motion to keep bijou away from john? but bijo spudz says she was raised by a guy who was like mr. mom and was a loving and supporting father? >> absolutely. the problem mackenzie phillips is is that she is a life-long drug addict, serious addict talking about cocaine and heroin being shot into her arms on a daily basis for many, many years. that doesn't mean her story is untrue. in my view it probably is true. i represent ad woman very much like mackenzie phillips when i represented survivors for many

years who had a consensual adult relationship with her father. it is absolutely devastating, it does happen. but the way mackenzie phillips has gone around this is all wrong, she's done it by trying to sell a book. that means everybody is suspicious of her motives. she could have come out, for example, i would have advised her, come out and be the national spokesperson for the rape and incest survivor thet work. do something unpaid, tell your story, people are more likely to believe you. also, frankly, before your father died. this is very suspicious in a lot of people's minds and rightly so. >> dr. dale archer, you know, it's so troubling because there's no way for us to verify and she waited until after her father died even though he got sober before he died. and there's -- this is destroying the family. michelle phillips says that all of the nieces and nephews in the phillips family are not going to school now, staying home and they are sobbing because she has essentially shamed the entire phillips family.

is that something she should have taken into consideration or not. >> no. i mean, look, she shined the phillips family, maybe so. what about what she has been living with and dealing with over her entire life? there is never an easy way or good way to be able to come forward with this. i say, bravo, any way you can get this message out, this is an epidemic in america there. are women that this happens -- >> incest is an epidemic? i didn't know that. >> absolutely. it is huge and it's impossible to get the number. >> adult incest? >> only if you are in the field and you treat people as a psychiatrist or a psychologist do you hear these stories time after time after time after -- again. and, the women are scared and they're ashamed. >> the people you are hearing them from addicts, heroin addicts who have just gotten sober less than a year ago possibly. >> -- stories about adult incest? that's a very different -- >> all i will say it is so hard to come forward and this is always what happens. no one believes you. all the time, a girl will come

forward and tell the story and the mom will support the dad, who is accused. >> wouldn't it be a better wrid to go to family therapy and tell your family, hey, this is what happened to me because apparently she's told people this in the past but then, according to michelle and bijou, she took it back and said it didn't happen. >> you know, jane, i think that you're right. yeah, there is a good way to do it, but any way to get this out, it's very important and it's not easy to do. >> got to take a break. >> if it took a book for her to do this, i say that's fine. i say, if this sheds light on this problem, then that is a good thing. >> more on mackenzie phillips in just a bit and also taking your calls on this one, give me a holler 1-877-586-7297. do you believe her snow plus dog fighting and day care under the same roof? we can't even show to you it's so bad. we'll update you on the condition of some unbelievably tortured dogs. but first more on mackenzie

phillips' alleged incestuous affair with her father. here she is back in 1986 talking about her father as her role model. pretty creepy stuff. >> we have to remember that we are our children's role models, you know. >> my role model was my father who had hair down his back and was wearing a dress, you know, and said whatever turns you on. want to know how fast it took my stiff joints to feel better?

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said, look, we need to it talk about how you raped me. and my dad said, raped you? don't you mean when we made love? and, um, in that moment, i thought, wow, i'm really on my own here. >> mackenzie phillips on oprah shocking claims from the former tv actress, she says she carried on an incestuous relationship with her dad for ten years and writes about it in her new book, which is a best seller "high on arrival." phone lines lighting up on this one, no surprise there. dawn, washington, your question or thought.

>> caller: hi, jane. >> hi. >> caller: i'm calling to say i really don't think any of this is really true. i think she's trying to make money for her book. >> all right. i think you raise an interesting point. and i want to talk about why people do things, curtis. i know that children of addicts and alcoholics are often extremely mad at their addict parent. so, there could be various levels of motivation. it could be she wants a book, she has a tv show but she also could have a lot of deep-seated anger and i just want to quote very quickly from my book which is about growing up in an alcoholic household children of alcoholics experience trauma when they grow up with a person who isn't really present the way a sober person s. often these children have been traumatized by the excessive drama in the household. rageful, weepy or detached children of alcoholics hang addicts have a tendency to develop bitterness over their stilted relationship with the alcoholic or addict parent.

>> mad, i'd be crazy mad against this guy he was a freaky-deaky guy we just talked about the story of ryan o'neal at the wake of farrah fawcett a. beautiful blofnd comes up and kisses him and says hello ryan and he tries to put the squeeze on what you are doing after the wake me and you got the urge to merge ryan, it's me tatum, your daughter. come on, wake up, america, he admitted this, ryan. >> there's a big story between that story and this story. >> there's no difference. these guys believe in this come, let live, lay say fair. noah she said, what her father had said was, oh, you've got to accept the fact this is the kind of lifestyle. are you crazy. >> jane, i've got to get in here. >> okay. mark. >> -- let's see the paddle. >> thank you, jane. aye-aye, if i recall dale archer saying bravo and slewell

convicting him already. the only we know for sure none of us will ever know for sher whether this really happened that's number one. >> that's right. >> number two, when i raise questions about someone's credibility there is a difference between believability and accuracy. even when you see that oprah interview she looks believable, it may rb entirely different whether she's accurate, whether this really did happen or whether us it was imagined in order to sell books or when she was in a drug-induced states. >> well, i think drugs is at the heart of all of this. mackenzie talks of course about growing up in a crazy, drug-filled world. she says she was 10, rolling joints for her dad, 13 when he was helping her shoot up at age 13. she tells oprah her dad brought her to a party where she had sex with rocker mick jagger who hasn't responded to this and i'm waiting to hear from him when she was only 18. listen to this one. >> so, my dad walks out, mick turns around, locks the door and

looks at me and he says, i've been waiting for this since you were 10 years old. and my dad, you know, comes back and -- that's my daughter in there, let her out and we just, we ignored him. >> lisa bloom, mick jagger hasn't responded but, boy, he's probably fuming across the pond, as it were. >> well, at least she was 18 in that allegation so he wasn't proposing anything that was illegal, although it's disgusting if he knew sher since she was a little girl. look, this is america. people are entitled to respond to allegations that smear their reputation for all of history. this man passed away in 2001. like i say i tend to believe her but am really offended how she's gone about this waiting many years after he was gone to disclose and the so-called witnesses who support her side of it were only who she told. they didn't see anything or hear anything. she's a wealthy woman and comes from a wealthy family.

>> wait, wait, wait, you brought up -- >> why did she do this by a book. >> i don't know how wealthy she is. maybe a jealously factor because the mamas and papas fortune has not descended on her, mark. >> that is very possible. by coming out with a book you have bias, interest, all those things that should not be present shall f she had just come out with no interests at all. so, what i say to all of my people out there, don't jump to conclusions, because you just don't know. >> that's right. and you -- >> wait. but, if it did happen, dale, she does, in fact deserve our compassion and sympathy but we just don't know. >> we have to wrap it up right there. i know we could talk about this forever. >> -- doesn't anybody listen to chynna. >> it's over. seriously my dad an alcoholic and in my new recovery memoir i bri that and talk about how my own father's alcoholism encouraged me to drink to excess and left my bitter about our

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the woman who wrongbly accused five, count them five men of raping her at hofstra university will not face criminal charges. the d.a. made that announcement today. the 18-year-old was, however, ordered to get mental health treatment. you think? and complete 250 hours of community service is. if she fails to do that, she could be charged at a later date, though she signed an agreement admitting she lied to police an engaged in consensual sex, these false accusations threaten to really ruin the lives of the four young men who were arrested. we actually talked to one of them on "issues."

>> i couldn't believe what was basically going through my mind. it was like a big nightmare and i thought i was going to do time for something i didn't do, i was going to be punished for something i did not do. >> joining me now cnn legal analyst, lisa bloom. lisa, is there a double standard here? what could and should she have been charged with. >> she could have been charged with makinging fails statements to the police, a misdemeanor. but, i applaud, i applaud the district attorney coming to this outcome. our prisons are overcrowded, stretched beyond our budgets to pay for them. prison is not the solution to everything, prison is the place for violent offenders and pedophiles, she's neither. she made a terrible mistake and did a horrible thing but let her be out paying remember own way for housing and food and do 200 hours of community service which benefits us. we don't have to pay for that. that's our benefit as taxpayers and get mental health treatment she would not get behind bars.

>> i don't know. i think sometimes the prisons are filled because of women like her making false accusations. >> i agree. she -- >> so often -- >> she did a terrible thing and a lot of people do terrible things but prison is not the answer for everything. >> she hurt women as well as men because now women who have been raped will be afraid to come forward because they will fear they won't be believed. the d.a. said sher job was not just to prosecute but to find the truth. listen to this. >> prosecutors almost immediately identified significant inconsistencies, as she told them her story. the turning point was when she was confronted with the fact that there may exist a video of some or all of the incident, the woman began to reveal the truth about what happened. >> so, lisa, basically as soon as the d.a. started questioning she found the accuser's story totally full of holes. you have to wonder why the cops

didn't make the same realization so apparent to the d.a., instead took these kids names and faces and put them all over the meed yamplsts the cops should never have done that. i applaud kathleen rice. i'm a big fan. one of the things she said reaching this deal, she doesn't want other people making false claims to be afraid to admit because they are afade they will go to jail. if you make a false claim it's a terrible thing but at least if you finally admit it was fauls and we can set things right, okay we'll not throw you in the slammer but give you community service. by the way if she doesn't do her community service she immediately gets charged with a crime under this plea deal. i think it is very smart. it has teeth. i think kathleen rice did the right thing here. >> you've convinced me. at first i was like this is a big double standard. >> right. >> and although we fight against the war on women and i hate violence against women, one thing i hate just as much is a phony claim that could ruin the lives of four young men. >> yeah. >> to this day, people are calling their sisters, oh, you're the sibling of the

rapist. it's just not fair. >> no, it isn't. >> i just wish them the best. we'll be back with a horrific story. day care and dogs next. uuuuuuuuu

reliving a nightmare jaycee dugard says she will take the stand. she wants to testify against the monster accused of holding her captive for 18 long years. tonight's big "issue" does the criminal justice system victimize rape survivors twice? plus a celebrity superstar busted for allegedly skipping out on his hotel bill. randy quaid and his wife were arrested in texas accused of owing a hotel 10,000 bucks. that's a lot of trips to the minibar. tonight, jaycee dugard's family plots their own version of

revenge on her alleged rapist, fill lip garrido. get this, jaycee's step-dad says he can't wait to greet him writing lettering while locked up. i will be telling them how her family is doing, we are at disney world or out having dinner laughing and having a wonderful time, too. his life has been affected too. here he is just days later. >> watched the cargo up the hill and i saw my daughter making the curve up there, all of a sudden the car darted across the road, cut her off. i saw a door open. i jumped from my bike. i heard a scream. i pedaled realized i couldn't catch him in time. i came down and called 911. >> everybody wondered was he telling the truth at the time. this ruined that man's life. that's the alleged monster right there, convicting this guy could mean more pain and trauma for

jaycee. can she handle being face to face with garrido in court? her attorney says absolutely, here se on the cbs "early show. ". >> she very clearly understands some very bad and terrible things were done to her and the people that committed those chimes need to be held accountable. >> these pictures give you just an idea of what life was like for jaycee for 18 long years. this filth is just the tip of the iceberg. imagine her on the witness stand having to answer questions about what garrido did to her, about giving birth to her children when she was, herself, a child. how is she going to get through that? and that brings me to tonight's big "issue" are rape victims raped a second time by having to re-live their nightmares on the stand giving graphic testimony about their humiliating violations? isn't it like being victimized all over again? back to my fantastic panel curtis slewau. can we even imagine what it's going to be like if jaycee

dugard has to take the stand and go face to face with that creep? >> well, jane, i've been cross examined many times but it pales in comparison to what this woman will have to go through. i would think the defense attorney for the two monsters, garrido and his wife, when given the opportunity to cross-examine her will say we refuse to ask any questions we're not going to ask any questions we rest with this witness and let her just retire. i realize the prosecution may have to extract from her some details that are going to it prove very harmful to her psyche to have to relive it. but, if the defense team would be stand-up, they wouldn't ask -- they wouldn't even go there. they wouldn't even go there, just rest with that witness. >> i disagree that it is harmful, jane, i'll tell you why. i represented rape victims and child sexual abuse survivors for many years. most people think what you're saying. it's psychologically damaging to testify. it's horrible.

it damages you the second time. wrong. what my clients told me, all scared beforehand but what they all told me afterwards to a one was it was empowering to testify. they already lived through the worst part to. get on the witness stand, to it look that bad guy in the eye and to tell the truth about what happened and ideally to get a conviction against that person is very empowering and walk out of the courtroom with their head held high and their voice would drop from a adult tone from a squeaky girl voice they started with because they were so scared. we have to dispel this notion it is a terrible thing to testify in a trial. it is not. >> jane, the bottom line is -- the bottom line is we are still -- we still have of a court system in this country and, of course, jaycee has to come to court and testify against her accuser. just because this is the worst of the worst -- and this really is the worst -- it doesn't take away the fact that we still have to have a trial and he has to be proven guilty in court and the key witness in the case is clearly jaycee. she has to testify.

>> this is happening to so many young women. what kind of agony do these rape victims have to endure when they testify against their attackers? remember elizabeth smart? she may be called to do exactly that soon at a mental competency hearing for one of her alleged kidnappers, a husband and wife accused of kidnapping smart in 2003 when she was just 14 years old so they could keep her as a plural wife, another horrific story that ended in a miraculous rescue. but, this young girl now oler obviously is going to have to testify. i don't understand, dale archer, why can't they do this on videotape? why do they have to be in the courtroom and have to face the person who tortured them. >> actually, i completely agree with lisa on this. >> yea. >> this is very therapeutic. this is one more step to getting back to a normal life. and, let's face it, jaycee dugard is a survivor. she is going to do fine with this. i have been so impressed with the fact that for 18 years she was able to come through this with her life and with her two

children's lives intact when this guy possibly could have been involved in murders or other abductions along the way. so, i think jaycee is going to be fine and i think that lisa is correct. >> all right. >> this is a big, big step. >> owe what the hell are you talking about? what do you mean fine? how the hell could you talk like that have you ever testified in court? no. you ask the questions. you're the lawyers -- you're -- >> we have to preserve the sanctity of the court system. >> i agree with curtis. i agree with curtis, you can't use the word "fine" when it comes to this horrific situation but can say maybe we hope it is catharsis for her. turning to a grewsome secret uncovered at a chicago day care. are you sitting down, mutilated, starving animals, bloody wars and floors, filthy syringes.

steps away from children. ten people were removed during the raid because it was a day care center. someone married to the day care operator. after they were arrested police discovered something even sicker the suspect's cell phone had a video of a dog being burned to death. this is outrageous. police rescued nine man gelled dogs from the home. four of them, puppies covered in scars. >> this is a difficult one given to he sum up given the carnage and what you have seen on these dogs but when you add this was going on within feet of a day care center there was a swingset within ten feet of the swingset was a log the dogs were chained to. it is very unsettling, to put it lightly. >> that little white puppy the sheriff was holding had his eye ripped out. look at that. the helpless creature was you tossed into the fight in the form of bait. there were at least two complaints about dogs at this

home in 2006 and 2007, child welfare officers made unannounced visits but because the dogs were locked in a garage, nothing was done. that is unacceptable. straight to my expert panel joining me animal welfare activist jane gar rison. this is outrageous. isn't this how animal cruelty often goes hand in hand to cruelty to children. weren't thee people put in a dangerous and horrific situation? >> absolutely, jane. these dogs could have gotten out of that garage. they could have attacked these kids. they could have killed these kids. and besides the dogs i wouldn't want kids left in a home with those sadistic individuals. somebody who finds pleasure setting a dog on fire and watching her burn would have no problem torturing a kid. these people should be put away for many, many years. not only for what they did to these innocent dogs about you for endangers these kids. >> this case has so many sick details but the suspect's cell phone video of a dog being burned alive is about as bad as

it gets. the suspect martez anderson hasn't committed on the video but had a whole lot to say about why the dogs were on death's door. listen to this. >> it was a few dogs in good condition and, like i said, for the -- for the exception of the little puppy, he got smashed in the door and that was sheerly an accident. the door fell on the puppy. that's how the dog's eye got come out. >> lisa bloom, is that the most pathetic excuse you've ever heard? >> absolutely, jane. i'm the owner of a pit bull and a rescue dog and i think what people fail to understand is these animals experience pain and fear and suffering just as we do. we all have to stand up against dog fighting. i'm just celebrating 32 years as a vegetarian. i know you are, too, jane. >> yes. >> also, speak out on behalf of all of the animals who are in cages, in terrible conditions as farm animals. i mean it is horrendous across the board. what have we become? we've become so diskeked between other living, breathing animals who experience the same fear,

pain and suffering that we do and it's just got to stoch. >> absolutely. >> jane. >> yeah? >> the other people people can do in their own than communities should watch out for signs of dog fighting. everyone can be the eyes and years for these dogs. you have to watch to dogs who are chained outside or unsocialized dogs. equipment such as treadmills or ropes or tires hanging from trees. and watch for dogs who have a lot of scars on their face. or people coming and going alt odd hours into homes. >> curtis. >> and need to report these people. >> curtis sliwau, dcf, children services went there and said, well, the dogs are in the garage. that's okay. that's outrageous to me. >> we're going to hear children's services they're overwhelmed, they have too many cases, hey open up your eyes. go out, check the entire area. do your job. you know something, jane, did you see the smirk on martes's face. >> yes, yes. >> when he said the door hit the puppy. you like ultimate fighting, martes, how but and the pit bull

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explosive and head spinning reservations about the king of pop. did michael jackson think hitler was a genius? according to a jackson friend, he not only felt that way but was 100% convinced and considered dating best friend elizabeth taylor. sound crazy? jackson allegedly said madonna was in love with him angel louse of his success. the secrets are making me sick. sick secrets out of the blue? the rabbi has a book coming out. in it, more than 300 hours of recorded conversations with his former friend, michael jackson. oy-vay. that's tonight's "top of the block." turning from freaky fantasies to possible fraud this one takes the cake, people actor randy quaid and his wife evi -- take a look at the mug shots -- allegedly skipping out a $10,000

bill they racked up. these photos from the resort's website. monday, the santa barbara sheriff's department issued a warrant for the couple's arrest. yesterday at a traffic stop caught on camera by, who else, tmz, cops in a west texas town busted the couple. it was not without incidents. tmz reports evi was screaming and had to be wrestled to the ground. the pair tossed in the slammer. look at that mug shot. what's with the beard? what's with that expression? they posted bail hours later only after a deputy drove them to get cash, 20,000 bucks each. it gets weirder. tmz says randy quaid scrawled a letter especially for the tmz website that said, quote, texas is a great place to be arrested. i would like to thank the sheriff and deputies for everything. it was a fabulous arrest. he seems to think this is all a big joke. quaid also said tmz -- copy of a

cashier's check made out to the ranch, you can see it right there, $5,546 and change, that's what the quaids said they owed. wait a minute, a cashier's check for a hotel bill, does that even make any sense? it could be explained bay sworn statement obtained by tmz from a cop who says the quaids checked into the luxury resort using bogus credit cards. furthermore, police say the bill came to a whopping $10,500. meantime, randy claims it's all just a p.r. stunt on the part of the inn. "issues" called for comment but we haven't heard back. i want to know what you think about in this cuckoo-coo for coco puffs scandal. straight out to my fantastic panel, lisa bloom. cnn legal analyst. david shwartz, criminal defense attorney and former new york prosecutor dr. dale archer, clinical psychiatrist and in

just a moment we'll be joined by mike walters from tmz. first, david schwartz, does randy quaid seem to be thumbing his know as the law and if so isn't he making matters worse for himself. >> i don't know if he's making matters worse for himself. obviously every criminal defendant shouldn't be speaking about the substance of the case. but, jane, we have to remember that he has defenses. he's got the cashier's check. and this has got to be settled in court, like every other -- >> and he's got a beard. why has he got a beard -- of that size? >> i have no idea. maybe -- i don't know. i don't know why. >> maybe a mistaken identity. looks like a cross between santa claus and the keep on truckin' guy. >> oh, no. >> so -- i mean, the bottom line -- >> look at this expression. oh, that's better. but, the other expression. >> she's out of her mind. >> -- thrown his jacket over his arm. i mean, it's crazy.

>> we don't know that. come on let's give them the better of the doubt. >> we don't know is that? >> they've got defenses, the inn has their side of the story. yes, it's a bizarre situation but it's got to play out. >> a great mug shot, though. >> yes, it is bizarre. >> joining us mike walters, assignment manager from tmz. mike i'm hearing things on a delay. if i don't make any sense, you know why, i'm hearing crazy voices in my ear. you guys got ahold of a deputy sworn statement that contained real shockers. tell us about the total hotel bill and what tmz calls a sinister plot to fleece ritzy hotels, end quote. >> basically they went to the biltmore in santa barbara, also swanky, used their credit card and with the manager came and said we can't get authorization of this card you have to go or give us something else, they left there knowing the card didn't work and went to the san yisidro ranch and tried to

use use that but ba it is randy quaid and his wife, they are celebrities, i guess, they went in with that card. the intents, that's the burglary, they knew it didn't over $10,000 of bills. every day they'd make an excuse. there's a fedex package coming with the credit card. don't worry, we'll pay you next week. i'll get my checkbook. finally when they were like, that's it, we're done. went up to tell them they had to go out and they bolted. they gathered all of this information including when they were investigating $17,000 here in the bel-air hotel in l.a. so they had been doing this all along. that's why they were charged with these three felonies. >> you're saying there's a pattern here allegedly? >> right, that's the way it looks when they investigated. i'm only telling you what the sworn statement says obviously allegedly. but that's what it says is that they got all of this stuff. you know how they found out the two hotels? this is great. the collection agency, the santa barbara hotel went to alliance collections and said, that's funny we have the same couple in

l.a. doing the same thing. >> hold it right there. we'll be right back with more cuckoo for cocoa puffs behavior. look at that beard. we're going to analyze it when we come back. and that expression. my n e's lis. i'm from fayetteville, north carolina, ...and i smoked for 29 years. the one thing about smoking - is it dominates your life, and it dominated mine. and the sad thing about it is that you can always use an excuse if cigarettes don't kill me, oh well - something else will.

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shots for a second. she looks like, in a couple of these pictures -- and by the way, we invite you, the quaids, mr. and mrs. quaid, to come on anytime and tell your side of the story.mockery out of all th. look at that face. that face is kind of very defiant and i'm a merry prankster. this is a performance art piece. dr. dale archer, you want to try to analyze these two? >> well, it's just one more example of celebrities who think they are doing a hotel a favor by going there to stay and so why should they have to pay when their presence should be enough? >> i think this whole thing's -- >> all right, hold on. >> we're a nation of laws. if they went into this hotel and stole $17,000 from one hotel and $10,000 from another, i don't think it had anything to do with

this priority in life. i think they blatantly stole the money and they were arrested for it. on the other hand -- >> let me see the panel. who wants to talk? eenie meenie miney moe. go ahead, lisa. >> this is a publicity stunt. they're having too much fun. can i do my interview in profile like randy quaid? they were outside the courthouse putting up crazy signs and brown paper on their truck. they were trying to get publicity and they got it. >> they could also get a jail sentence. when successful actors like randy quaid get in trouble over alleged money matters, it doesn't seem to add up. here he is in the 1987 classic "caddyshack." >> you've certainly made it clear how your legal system works, mr. young. now i'd like to explain about the peter blunt system. you see, i don't go in for lawsuits or motions or any of that legal stuff. >> all right. on a serious note, david

schwartz, quaid sued focus features, the producers of "brokeback mountain," one of my favorite movies, for at least $10 million. he claimed they tricked him into working cheaply. money is an issue for him. it's obviously some kind of problem. >> if money is an issue, maybe he once had money and now money is an issue. it's a blatant theft. if he's guilty of what he's being accused of, the bottom line is it's a blatant theft. i'm not so sure it's a publicity stunt. there may be some psychological issues here as well. and they need to be looked into. >> mike, i'll give you the last word on this. >> this guy was in "caddyshack" and national lampoon's "vacation." let him keep the money. i say let him keep the money. forget it. >> he has to get a haircut if he goes to jail. that's a good thing. >> i think a lot of these celebrities think i should be paid for showing up somewhere and they have a sense of entitlement that makes you crazy. that's it for us. thank you, fabulous panel.

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breaking news tonight. satsuma, florida. a 5-year-old little girl tucked into bed. five hours later she's gone. vanished. the back door propped wide open. daddy comes home from the night shift to find not a trace of little haleigh. bombshell tonight. a letter emerges in the search for haleigh outlining details of a party the night haleigh goes missing. a party fueled by drugs. at the party, misty croslin. with her little haleigh. reports that night little

haleigh accidentally ingests the heavy-duty painkiller oxycontin and dies. we have the letter. this as new stepmom misty croslin skips town after a bitter fight with haleigh's father ronald cummings. croslin's brother behind bars on a gun charge, leading to another break. in a late-night jailhouse interrogation we learned the brother finally confesses he goes to haleigh's house the night she goes missing, pounds on the door repeatedly. nobody home. phone records confirming ronald cummings tries desperately to reach croslin that night. no answer. where was she during those crucial hours when haleigh goes missing? investigators focusing on a heavily wooded area, draining a local pond in connection with haleigh. as girlfriend turned stepmom misty croslin flunks another polygraph, tonight where is

haleigh? >> was haleigh cummings the victim of a drug overdose? according to a letter allegedly from one of stepmom/babysitter misty croslin's friends. >> and tonight live to connecticut and the sudden disappearance of a gorgeous young ivy league doctoral student just before she's set to walk down the aisle. the 24-year-old beauty last spotted on grainy surveillance video walking into a yale research building. a false fire alarm mysteriously goes off in the building. people rush out. annie le never seen again. at nearly the exact hour le set to walk down the aisle, wedding dress on a hanger in the closet, flowers ordered, the girl's body

found stuffed in a two-foot wall cable space there in yale's research building. in the early morning hours police storm a super 8 motel to arrest 24-year-old lab tech raymond clark on murder one. tonight, clark's alleged history of stalking, threatening, harassing women resurfaces. his former girlfriend breaking her silence, revealing clark a control freak during their relationship. lashing out, dictating what she says, where she goes. even what she wears. we have the video. in the last hours, investigators back at the crime scene, zeroing in on a basement washroom where mouse cages are cleaned. was this senseless murder over laboratory mice cages? and another twist. was suspect raymond clark fueled by steroids?

>> a former girlfriend claims the man accused of killing a yale university grad student was extremely controlling. >> in a shocking interview with "good morning america" ray clark's ex-girlfriend was so scared of the yale lab tech, telling abc news clark would get very angry, often frighten me. he'd get this little look in his eye, and sometimes it was just better to do what he said. >> he would frighten me. it escalated a lot after -- i mean, with the controlling issue it escalated from there. >> jessica del rocco tells abc's "good morning america" clark told her what clothes she could wear and who she could have as friends. del rocco says clark sometimes got so angry she was frightened. >> in a matter of weeks jessica says clark went from the perfect boyfriend to becoming manipulative, controlling. >> it was anger, yelling. as the relationship progressed,

like if things didn't go his way, then he'd make them go his way. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. bombshell tonight. was 5-year-old haleigh taken to a late-night party fueled by drugs where she ingested the heavy-duty painkiller oxycontin? >> i know i didn't do anything to that little girl. i would never hurt her. i mean, they love me. i mean, they look at me like their mom. >> did haleigh cummings die from an overdose of oxycontin? a letter obtained allegedly from a friend of misty croslin claims that haleigh got her hands on the powerful narcotic while at a party with misty and her friends the night of the disappearance. >> now that you have been told, whether you accept it or not, that your wife has flunked a poly, have you asked her what happened? >> i asked her, but that -- i don't get any answers from her. >> the letter states that cops

were given a sworn affidavit from a friend of misty's, who claims everyone at the party "freaked out" when the toddler overdosed, then put haleigh in a black bag and threw her into a pond nearby. >> look at her body language. there are so many tells that she's not telling the truth. she's saying no when it's supposed to be in the affirmative. a lot of shoulder shrugging. the tears that don't look very genuine. it's very disturbing to watch. >> police are denying any friend has come forward making these allegations and are said to be completely ignoring the letter. all of misty's friends have reportedly been cleared, and there are still no suspects in the case. >> as we go to air, we have just heard from local police who say in fact they are not ignoring this theory, that they have been vetting this theory along with several other theories about what has happened to little haleigh and that many points behind this letter are in fact credible and they are in fact investigating it.

we are taking your calls live. first out to marlaina schiavo, our producer on the story. marlaina, what do you know about this letter? but most important, its contents. was there a party the night haleigh went missing? >> that's what this letter is saying, nancy. this letter came from a girl behind bars who is friends with misty, who's a party friend of misty's, who's saying that misty was with her that night -- or this letter's claiming misty, this girl and some other people were together that night and that haleigh was with them partying -- they were all partying and misty got -- excuse me, haleigh got her hands on oxycontin and ingested it and died and that's when this other friend at the party panicked, put haleigh allegedly in a bag, and threw her in a pond. and that's what this letter is saying. >> now, if the letter is true, i am expected to believe that everybody at this so-called

party has managed to keep their yaps shut for this long? that is the hard part for me. what about it, art harris at artharris.com? what can you tell me? you've been investigating this theory for weeks. >> well, nancy, investigators told me exclusively that this letter was legitimate. got a copy of it right here. and in fact, they are taking it seriously. they did confirm that they talked to this friend of misty's in jail, confronted her with this sworn affidavit of a witness, and that she is denying it, but she wrote her boyfriend in this letter saying don't you remember, we were together that night, as if she wants to make sure she has an alibi. >> to t.j. hart, program and news director wsky 97.3 fm, t.j., what do you make of this theory? did such a party take place? has that much been confirmed? and this letter is from who to whom?

>> i'm not going to mention names. it's from -- >> i don't care about the names. >> but the recipient was indeed her boyfriend. that has been verified. this boyfriend read this to several people over the phone. we had it scan-faxed to us. and that's how we got it. it is legitimate as far as where the letter came from and who it was sent to. now, the party, that has not been confirmed. however, you remember they talked about a pond. well, in that letter they also talked about the black bag being dropped in a pond at the mondex. well, that's exactly where a pond was drained over the weekend. the l pond at the mondex. so there is something to this letter. >> out to the lines, we are taking your calls live. kimberly in washington. hi, kimberly. >> caller: hi, nancy. so nice to finally talk with you. you're my hero, and i watch you every night. >> kimberly, thank you. and thank you for calling in. what is your question, dear? >> caller: you know, i keep on thinking about little junior. he was allegedly there that night.

i know early on in the investigation they said possibly he said there was a man there. i was wondering if police are still questioning him. >> let's go to a special guest joining us tonight, the grandmother of haleigh and of junior. teresa neves is with us. she has staunchly supported misty croslin throughout. miss neves, thank you for being with us. what about junior? have police continued to question him? has he been questioned at all by police? >> he has been questioned, miss nancy. he gave them information the night -- or the morning that this happened. and they're not questioning him now. you know? >> yes. i understand. miss neves, at one point i recall that junior, the little brother, had stated that there were other people in the home that evening. what do you recall about his statement?

>> junior's initial statement to the law enforcement was that he saw a man in black, i believe, was what they said. >> yes. >> and then it changed, you know. but he didn't change it. other people changed it. >> yes. miss neves, what do you make of this letter? do you put any stock in it? >> nancy, i'm like you. i do not think that that many people, with a $70,000 reward, are going to sit at home and not say anything. i do not believe for one second that my granddaughter would take something like that because of the taste of it. just simply for that fact. (music plays) boy: is that your new car? uh...yeah. boy: cool.

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wouldn't be sitting here today. we would have her. >> the letter says police were given a sworn affidavit by a friend of misty's that states misty, haleigh, and a group of friends were partying at one of the friends' homes the night of haleigh's disappearance when haleigh overdosed, the friends panicked, shoved haleigh's body in a black bag and tossed her in a nearby pond. >> crystal, what do you make of the recent developments, the development especially of misty croslin flunking a polygraph? >> well, i've thought all along that she has something to do with it. and now this kind of just proves it. she was the last one to see our daughter and her stories just don't add up. >> police say they are completely ignoring the letter and are denying any existence of this sworn affidavit from misty's friend. reports are all of the friends have been cleared. >> she is still the most important witness in this case. she's the last person to see the children. she was with them. she's an important person to be

spoken to, and law enforcement needs to go get her. >> somebody stole my child out of my bed. >> i put her to bed about 8:00. and i woke up and she was gone. that door was wide open. >> do you believe that misty was indeed home and that she's been telling the truth? >> yeah, i believe she's telling the truth. >> what we need is for misty to come down here and tell us the truth. >> i didn't hear anything at all. i mean, i was really exhausted that day, you know. really exhausted. and when i laid down, i guess i was just out. >> i was told, you know, that she went to bed at 10:00. being that exhausted, i think that maybe you could sleep through somebody beating on the door.

>> straight back out to marlaina schiavo. you have been in the home. what do you think? how far away is that front door from where misty croslin says she was sleeping? could you really not have heard somebody banging on the door if she goes to bed at 10:00 and the brother gets there between 9:30, bangs on the door till 10:00 and then waits for her to get home, no sign of life inside? >> i find it really hard to believe that no one could hear that. the bedroom is in the front of the house. eight, maybe ten feet away from that room. and nancy, remember, this is a trailer. it's not a big place. it's not soundproof. and if he's banging away like the cops say he was, there's no way she couldn't have heard that. >> we are taking your calls live. let's unleash the lawyers. joining me tonight out of new york, family law attorney susan moss. also with us tonight out of

atlanta, defense attorney renee rockwell. and also in new york defense attorney, former federal prosecutor doug burns. sue moss, what about it? >> did he really go to the trailer door, or was this just some folklore? i mean, if he was at the trailer door, there's no way she was in that trailer. there's no way she could have slept through this. there's no way the kids could have slept through him banging on the doors. somebody is lying, and that's the key to this case. >> to renee rockwell, i want to get back to this letter. this letter that has been written by a woman who is now incarcerated. what do you make of it? whenever i find out a letter -- hey, art, was this letter written from the jailhouse, art harris? >> sure was. it was written from the jailhouse, nancy, and she asks him to "send me some money." >> okay. didn't ask you that. but thanks for the nugget. renee rockwell, i'm always suspicious since i've gotten so many letters from the jailhouse all over the country. when i was prosecuting, i always

wonder if there's an angle. what do they want? what do they want? what's the motive? that's a problem. >> nancy, you can't always talk about and trust a snitch from the jail. but this is not anything that someone from the jail is trying to go to the police with and make a deal with and get a free pass out of jail. this is a letter that has arisen and has emerged and was not necessarily for the eyes of the police. so you've got -- >> that's a good point. >> -- to give a little more trust to a letter like that. >> to doug burns, former prosecutor turned defense attorney. doug, listen. i've used jailhouse rats on the stand before. >> yep. >> if i believe them and if i could corroborate what they had to say. and renee makes a good point. this is not a letter this woman sends trying to get a deal, trying to get a sweetheart deal. this is to her boyfriend asking for some money. this has nothing to do with any ulterior motive. >> exactly right.

but the most important point you just made is you can use this as a great source as long as you can corroborate it. the police can go through every little detail and hopefully there will be kernels of information in there that lead to additional roads, and that's where it can be really good. and as you said at the beginning, and you're right, you can use these witnesses but you've got to corroborate them. >> well, sometimes you've got to go to hell to get the witness to put the devil in jail, unfortunately. to caryn stark, psychologist joining us in our new york studios, caryn, weigh in. >> well, i'll tell you, nancy, it sounds so suspicious. and if you take a look at the grandmother who's supporting misty, that also doesn't make a lot of sense compared to her own mother, who doesn't seem to be supporting her. so there's so much confusion, and it's very hard to piece this apart -- >> but i find it important that teresa neves, who's her paternal grandmother, supports misty croslin. where her own blood mother doesn't. to me that speaks volumes in misty croslin's favor. >> well, i don't know about that. because usually parents stand by their children. i mean, take a look at casey anthony. that mother was swearing by her

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i want to get to the bottom of what happened. i don't know if hypnosis is going to do it. they've already tried to hypnotize -- >> are you of the mind that you should try anything? >> absolutely. if that's what we need to, do then that's what we can do. >> i'm trying to do everything to find her, you know, answer any questions i have to. because i know i didn't do anything to that little girl. >> here's the back screen door. the one that was propped open with the cinder block. okay? now, if you see, when it closed,

it slams. it makes a loud noise. but if you leave this door, this slowly closes as well. >> i just want everybody to know that i didn't do anything with that little girl. i love her like she's my own. >> straight out to the lines. katie in north carolina. hi, katie. >> caller: hi. i was curious because when tommy came by the door had to be locked but when misty woke up it was open. so was the lock broken? i mean, how did the door get unlocked? >> good question. marlaina schiavo, what can you tell us? you've actually tested out the door. >> well, the door tommy was knocking on was the front door. the door that was propped open was the side door. so the lock was not -- the lock wasn't broken. it just -- the door was just propped open. >> out to the lines. tracy, ohio. hi, tracy. >> caller: hi, nancy. i just love you. >> thank you, tracy in ohio. i've got to tell you, i could use that love tonight. i've been up since 4:30 this morning with the twins.

they're wearing mommy ragged, but i tell you, when i take a look at this story and i think about ronald cummings, teresa neves never seeing their daughter and granddaughter for all these months, maybe never again, they can wake me up every morning at 4:30 for the rest of my life. i'm just so grateful. what is your question, dear? >> caller: my question, nancy, is i wanted to know if there was a party that misty was at with haleigh, would there -- would the other people involved in that party be involved in this too? would they be charged? >> good question. sue moss, renee rockwell, doug burns, again, i've got to reiterate. it's very difficult for me to believe that a bunch at a drug party can keep their pie holes shut this many months, although maybe they think they could be implicated or, renee rockwell, i could see a scenario where there had been a party, maybe haleigh was in the car, maybe she came in to one of the rooms, maybe everyone didn't see her.

there are a lot of scenarios where this could in fact be legitimate. >> legitimate? well, i can say this, nancy. if there was a party and there were illegal drugs or even if they were prescribed but they were left out for a 5-year-old to come in contact with and eat and then die of an overdose, i can absolutely see the whole bunch of them being charged with at least a negligent homicide. >> out to the lines. mary jo in florida. hi, mary jo. >> caller: hey, friend. i'm a big fan of the show. thanks for what you do. >> and thank you for calling in, dear. what's your question? >> caller: i have a two-part question. i was wondering what misty was wearing when ronald got home. was she in pajamas or was she in jeans and -- >> good question. >> caller: and then how much time in between when she allegedly woke up and ronald got home? >> teresa neves, this is haleigh's paternal grandmother. what was she wearing when ronald got home? >> she was wearing a little

pajama top and boxer shorts. >> miss neves, just hearing you upset, we're all throwing around legal theories and this letter and whether it's true or not. what is your message tonight? >> i believe haleigh is alive. i have faith in god to take care of my baby girl and find her. and i don't care who had something to do with it. those are the people who need to be put away and bring my baby girl home. >> miss neves, why are you so sure haleigh is still with us? >> because i stand on god's promise that if you pray and believe that he will give you what you pray for.

>> miss neves, tell me how ronald is holding up. i mean, he comes on our show frequently, and he's always so strong. how is he holding up? >> he's not as strong at home as he is on tv. but he has to be strong for junior. you know? so he does the best that he can. he keeps his crying to his self at night and just tries to make junior happy until haleigh comes home. >> how is junior? does he even realize at this juncture that haleigh is gone? >> junior thinks that haleigh is lost and she's finding her way home. he actually drew her a map so she could find her way home. but he doesn't realize the longevity, i think, of it.

>> you know, i focus so much on where is haleigh, what happened that night. you know, junior has been lost in the mix. i cannot imagine, god forbid, the thought that i would ever have to explain to one of the twins where the other one was, why they were not at home. what do you tell him? >> the angels are watching haleigh and she'll be home soon. >> miss neves, when you hear about, for instance, this letter -- >> yes, ma'am. >> -- how does that affect you? whether you believe it or don't believe it. when you hear there might be a break in the case. >> miss nancy, we would love to have a break in this case, and we really would not care who it implicates as long as it brings haleigh back to us. you know, this letter is a

little farfetched, i think, because haleigh doesn't like medicine and oxycontin, i've had to take it. i think it's a very nasty taste. and i can't imagine haleigh taking it. so -- but you know, anything that would bring haleigh home, that's what we want. >> with me is teresa neves. this is haleigh's paternal grandmother. miss neves, you stand very strongly behind misty croslin's story. what do you make of police saying that she has the answers? >> i have to leave the investigative part of this to law enforcement because, you know, if i go with every whim and every accusation, then i'm going to be flipping back and forth in my life and, you know, what we stand -- you know, we just stand for haleigh here. we just want haleigh to come home. and i want them to find whoever

this is, and i don't care who it is. but we want haleigh to come home. >> we are taking your calls live. with me is teresa neves, haleigh's grandmother. out to lynn in alabama. hi, lynn. >> caller: hi, nancy. i love your show. >> thank you, dear. >> caller: thank you for everything you do. >> what is your question? >> caller: if misty cummings' brother went to the house that night when no one was home, are his fingerprints, have they checked the brick for fingerprints or on the door to the trailer? >> art harris, what do we know? >> no fingerprints on the door. but they found a fist, a bloody fist print when ronald was so upset he punched the door as hard as he could, nancy. >> everyone, i want to give you the tip line again. it is 888-277-tips. 888-277-8477. there is a $70,000 reward in

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know, often. >> very angry. frighten you? >> yeah, he would frighten me. >> you are seeing raymond clark's former girlfriend, jessica del rocco, on abc's "good morning america." out to jean casarez, legal correspondent "in session." these are pretty stunning developments. also, we learned police back at the scene today. >> that's right. new haven police, they went back to the lab building. the building is open for research and investigation. they, though, went down to the basement. they went to a washroom, nancy. and it had lab technicians right in it. asked them to get out. cordoned it off as a crime scene, saying they were looking for what could be potentially important evidence. >> i want to go to rupa mikkilineni, our producer on the story. rupa, the girlfriend, the former girlfriend that speaks out saying that clark, when she was with him, was manipulative, controlling, but how did the relationship start off?

>> the relationship started out, according to jessica del rocco, very sweet. he was very charming, kind, sweet, took her out to dinner. but then it progressed over a period of three months where he became more and more controlling, nancy, and would tell her what to do, would tell her what to wear, how to act, when to speak, when not to speak. >> you know, to you, dr. caryn stark, psychologist, telling her what friends to have, what to wear. he said, you talk too softly, you breathe too loudly. >> well, it's typical of somebody who's a control person, nancy, that he feels out of control inside, so he needs to control everything around him, including the person he's with. and somebody who's like that with a woman doesn't feel good about himself as a man. so he keeps trying to refine her and get her to be the way he thinks she should be. >> so how does that fit into this case, mike brooks? >> nancy, i think what they might be trying to show is a

pattern of prior behavior. you know, if this is -- is this the way he was there? is this the way his controlling -- his controllingness was in the lab with all these ph.d. candidates, with the people that came across him? i think that's exactly what they're trying to do, is to show a pattern of behavior leading up to this alleged murder. >> but you know what, to thomas kaplan, the editor in chief of the "yale daily news," it's our understanding that behind bars raymond clark has clammed up. we're not going to learn a lot from him. he's not talking. not to anybody. >> that's true. he hasn't spoken, even before his arrest, when police initially talked to him, he failed a polygraph according to reports and clammed up at that point. and from what we've been told he has not spoken to the authorities since then. so that's why the motive here is such a mystery. >> back to jean casarez with "in session," jean, now the possibility of steroid use is rearing its ugly head. >> this is interesting. the "national enquirer" actually is reporting -- >> wait a minute, take a look at

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