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breaking news tonight. satsuma, florida. a 5-year-old little girl tucked into bed. five hours later she's gone. vanished. the back door propped wide open. daddy comes home from the night shift to find not a trace of little haleigh. bombshell tonight. a letter emerges in the search for haleigh outlining details of a party the night haleigh goes missing. she skips down, clearing out after a bitter fight with haleigh's father, ronald cummings. this after croslin's brother
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thrown behind bars on a gun charge. leading to a break in the case. in a late-night jailhouse interrogation, we learned the brother finally confesses. he goes to haleigh's house the night she goes missing. pounds on the door repeatedly over and over. nobody home. phone records confirm ronald cummings tries desperately to reach croslin that night, calling at least 20, that's right, 2-0, 20 times, no answer. where, where was girlfriend turned stepmother misty croslin during those crucial hours when haleigh goes mising? investigators now using gps to track croslin that night through her cell phone. police announce everything croslin's told them so far is, quote, a farce. with cops honing in on croslin,
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croslin disappears. investigators focusing on a heavily wooded area and draining a local pond in connection with haleigh. as girlfriend turned stepmom misty croslin flunked another polygraph, tonight, where is haleigh? breaking news. babysitter misty cummings has left town. according to journalists art harris. >> what we need is for misty to come back home and tell tus truth. >> i'm trying to do everything toe find her and answer any questions i have to. because i know i didn't do anything. >> harris reports misty and ron had a bitter fight. she took off with a friend to the beach. >> we need to find my daughter. >> do you think she's holding information that's correct help? >> i don't think she's with holding information. >> misty's attorney says she's out of town, taking a few days off to seek a change of scenery and clear her head.
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pressure from the investigation is mounting. >> if i knew where she was, we wouldn't be sitting here today. we would have her and i don't. i don't know where she is. >> misty can relieve this pressure by telling her attorneys we need to go down to the sheriff's office and lay out in clear terms what i was doing from 8:00 p.m. to 3:00 a.m. and tonight, manage your own early morning routine. heading out to meet your car pool to head to work. that's just what happened to a dedicated mother of two, ages just 5 and 8, but when she exits her car in a public parking lot, a white male approaches her, stabs her in the torso and calmly gets back into his blue-green suv and proceeds to run over her as she lies there, bleeding in the parking lot. tonight, she is clinging to life. do police have a suspect?
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>> she did not appear to be moving. >> police are searching for a suspect who stabbed a mother of two in a parking lot of a luxury new jersey hotel, then ran her over with his car. 46-year-old laura was waiting to meet a co-worker to car pool to work friday morning when a man jumped out of his vehicle and stabbed laura in the torso, then got back into his car and ran her over. >> the hotel general manager says it was two guests who found her lying face down in a pool of blood. >> she suffered multiple knife wounds and broken wounds. police began to search for her husband who spoke with police 12 hours friday and saturday. >> they were divorced 2 1/2
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years ago and prosecutors say she did have a retraining order against him. >> she was rushed by ambulance for multiple stab wounds and broken bones. >> i'm nancy grace. thank you for being with us. as we go to air, girlfriend turned stepmother misty croslin, the last person to see haleigh alive, disappears. >> is there finally a split between ronald cummings and his new bride, misty? >> when i woke up, she was gone. >> i'm not hiding anything for anybody. and if somebody had something to do with it, let them try, so be it. whoever it might be. >> art harris is reporting sources tell him there was a bitter fight between ron and misty. so bad misty's lawyer says she's left town, just hours after misty's own brother tells police he doesn't think anyone was home
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the night haleigh vanished. >> he waited around, you know, to see if someone was going to be aroused if they were sleeping. misty did not answer the door. the house was dark and quiet. >> i would have woke up if i heard anyone. i didn't hear anything at all. i was really exhausted that day, really exhausted. when i laid down, i was out. >> that front door is all but ten feet from the bedroom where misty was sleeping with haleigh and junior that night. if someone is whaling on the door, there's no way she couldn't have heard that. >> they apply pressure wherever pressure needs to be applied and that's misty. >> straight out to our producer, marlena schiavo. why did misty croslin skip down? >> she left town, apparently
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people felt misty and ronald having an argument over the weekend, there were a lot of tensions so they were arguing and all of a sudden, misty is nowhere to be found. she's no longer in satsuma right now and ronald is not with her. >> to art harris, investigatetive journalist. art, what was the argument about? >> i can tell you sources tell me ronald threw her clothes out, threw her out and he was going down the road when he runs after her, apologizes and brings her back. so it's unclear what it was about, nancy. but it was not pretty. >> let's look at the timing, art harris. what was happening at the time they have the bitter feud? was that when the pond was being drained? >> it was around that time, nancy. a lot of rumors about the pond, rumors that h rumors that haleigh's bond was
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found. none of it true. but everyone was desperate for information, so much so that ronald's grand mother went to is scene to ask what was happening. >> to t.j. hart, news director at wsky 97.3 f.m. do we have any idea what the big argument was about? >> a lot of things factored into it, a lot of raw nerves and tensions at the time. also, a little bit of knowledge has leaked out about the conversation that was held between detectives and tommy croslin in the jailhouse as well. so that may have been a factor -- >> like what, what else have you learned? t.j. hart is referring to misty croslin's brother, who was taken into custody. he's thrown behind bars over a gun charge. now, usually the bond for the gun charge is $50,000. they're keeping him behind bars. they interrogated him in the
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late-night hours about haleigh's disappearance. what more have you learned, t.j.? >> what happened was ronald called him because he could not get any calls through to misty that night. at least 20 times he tried to call. so he quals down to the croslin house and asks him to go check on misty at the house. so he goes down there and knocks on the door. major bowling with the sheriff's department, he said he glenn straited how hard he banged on the door and he stayed in the area awaiting for misty to answer the door or even come home. croslin junior says he just gave up. he assumed she wasn't home. originally he stopped short of that. he's now said she wasn't home. we believe releasing some of this information, according to major bowling, that they have found advances in the investigation, particularly the
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way they think this will advance is misty's family now knows about this information. they knew about this going into saturday, by the way. and that they hope that the family may be orb misty by her own conscience, if there's a discrepancy, that she will explain why hank banged on the door and no response was given. >> to mike brooks, former fed with the fbi. and everybody, we are taking your calls live. but mike, wouldn't the cops pinging her cell phone put an end to all this? so far, believe it or not, it's my understanding it hasn't been done. i want to know why was croslin during those crucial hours after ronald cummings leaves to go to work and he gets home 3:00 a.m., where was she? >> good question. ronald cummings' plant is right here. there are two cell phone towers right in the vicinity of his plant. so they would be able to pick up
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the pings there. don't know how many towers there are between there and the trailer, but it's about a 15-minute drive. i find it interesting, because if you recall the very first police report, the officer who took the report said, you know, ronald got home at about 3:00 a.m., he was pulling up in the driveway at the same time she was coming out. if you recall, ronald was very, very upset because she called her "my dumb b-word girlfriend." but they should be able to tell, nancy. if there were 20 phone calls between here and here, i mean, 20 times, nancy. there should be records of this. >> you're absolutely correct. i also want to test those pings. >> absolutely. and did he try to call her brother, tommy? there will be records of that. did tommy call him back? there should be records of all this and exactly where these pings were between here and
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here. >> let's unleash the lawyers. i don't know to give you two a tutorial on the law. let's see the lawyers, please, norm. i'll start with you, ray. that flight can be argued at trial. many jurisdictions it can't be given as the law to the jury by the judge, but the prosecutor can argue why did croslin skip town. >> she's neither a suspect or a defendant or has she been charged. she's not leaving from anything. >> you have to have facts. anyone can run away when the whole world thinks you're guilty. she's young and upset. >> it could be argued at trial that flight indicates guilt. that whether be the prosecution's argument, daniel. >> or innocence. you're so upset when you're innocent you can't take it. it cuts both ways.
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stunning developments in the case of the missing florida girl that could put the spotlight back on stop mom, misty croslin. misty's brother was arrested on a gun charge and he reportedly broke down under police questioning. tommy croslin says he want to ronald cummings's trailer the night haleigh vanished. he said he repeatedly pounded on the door but no one opened it. musty croslin insisted she was home all night. >> i walked in the kitchen and the back door was wide open. i didn't notice about haleigh until i seen the back door open. >> misty's timeline doesn't make sense and her story changes. so somebody went there and she wasn't home when they knocked. >> all along, you have stated that you believed misty croslin. now that you hear this, what do
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you think? >> this statement by tommy croslin, to me, doesn't hold any water. >> why? >> i'm sorry, but -- why wait seven months? if you were down there, if i went there and knocked and everything was off, i would think they were sleeping. we are taking your calls live. to patricia in maryland. hi, patricia. >> caller: hi, nancy. how are you? >> good, dear. what's your question? >> caller: about this gps. what why are the police just doing the gps? >> what about it, harris? >> they have been trying to ping
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back and figure out where everybody was that night. now, they've got ronald. they've got him at the factory. they've got two cell towers near there. that is his alibi. as for misty, they are still working on her pings. >> okay, mike brooks, i think patricia in maryland is correct. we're into this seven months. >> right. >> now, i want to make it clear what my earlier question was. what could possibly be the problem with their pings? why can't they get a track on her cell phone that evening to figure out where she was unless the cell phone was turned off? >> that's the only reason, whether the cell phone was off or the battery was dead. but nancy, some phones do not have gps. but every one of them will tell you exactly what tower they were pinging from. let's take a look at this new map that we have. this is a four-mile radius right
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here, okay? from here to here, four miles. look at all the towers. ronald's plant is just a little bit north of here. so you take a look at all the towers that are right all around, she's going to be hitting them. let's say she wasn't at home, she wasn't there. if she was still down in this area, down in this area, and as you get closer to some of the towns south of here, there are going to have towers, they're going to be able to tell this. they should be able to know if tommy is telling the truth. if you want to find out if he's telling the total truth, let's go ahead and give him a polygraph also, because look at misty. she's failed two law enforcement polygraphs and one by tim miller of the equusearch group when he was asked to come back up there. >> out to the lines. elizabeth, new york. hi, elizabeth. >> caller: hi, nancy, i love your show. >> thank you and thank you for calling in. what's your question, dear? >> caller: i wanted to know if
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misty's cousin has been cleared? >> if misty's cousin has been cleared? what cousin are you referring to, elizabeth? >> caller: she had a cousin in town, they had a previous history sh he had just gotten out of jail for molesting a child. >> oh, yes, yes. joe. what about it marlena? >> the only people in this case that have been cleared are ronald cummings and haleigh's biological mother, crystal sheffield. new crest pro-health enamel shield
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3:00 in the morning, i got up and i got up because i had to use the bathroom. i put the kitchen light on and the back door is wide open. i go in and look and she's gone. >> it had nothing to do with her, fan, she can't help she was the last one to see her. >> she didn't make any noise that night. i would have woke up and i didn't hear anything at all. i was really exhausted that day, you know. i wish they would have took me instead of her. what do they want with a
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5-year-old? >> what does this mean to the investigation that the last person to see this little girl alive reportedly in her own bed has skipped town? >> what it means, nancy, is that they're going to want to talk to her. they already want to talk to her, including her own attorney. she spoke to police over the weekend. her attorney wasn't even informed of this interview. so major bowling of putnam county has already said they would like to sit down with her and her lawyer an find out what happened. >> what does it mean to the police investigation, the last person to see her alive, has skipped down. there are reports she's in orlando but we don't know that. >> they don't have too many suspects in this case. if it's not her, then they're pretty much out of luck and they have to suspect some mystery person grabbing children. so they're hoping it is her and
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this is a sign of guilt. but we can't jump to conclusions. it's too easy and convenience to blame her and there are a lot of alternate explanations. >> without her being a suspect, she is still the most important witness in this case. she's the last person to see the children, she was with them. she's an important person to be spoken to and law enforcement needs to get her. >> dr. lillian glass, author of "i know what you're thinking." lillian, what do you make of her leaving town? >> i think it's very suspicious. why is she leaving town? does she have something to hide? it's very suspicious, the whole situation. when you look at her body language, there's so many tells that she's not telling the truth. >> such as, such as? >> for example, she's doing a lot of lip licking, saying no when it's supposed to be in the affirmative, a lot of shoulder shrugging. the tears that don't look very genuine. it's very disturbing to watch. >> so physician and professor of
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public health at john hopkins university, dr. marty mckerry, joining us out of d.c. again, tipline, everyone, this child suffers with turner syndrome. >> about 1 in 3,000 girls gets turner syndrome. it's a condition where they have some deformities, they have webbing of the neck and we know with haleigh in particular, she saw doctors frequently, often missing school. so we know she had frequent -- >> if she were still alive and is not being treated by the doctors, the hospital, she's in such serious, serious danger. >> very much so. she definitely has special needs. she's at high risk for severe infections and she needs special attention. >> everyone, we are taking your calls. very quickly, i want to report to you a story about a dedicated
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mother who heads off in the early morning hours to catch her car pool and is not only stabbed in a public parking lot, but then the assailant gets back in his car and runs her over. tonight, she is clinging to life. take a listen. >> visitoring at a new jersey hotel were shocked friday morning to find a woman lying face down with multiple knife wounds to the torso. police say the victim was meeting a co-worker at the parking lot to car pool to work. witnesses say as soon as laura pulled into the parking lot. a man got into his suv, attacked laura with a knife, got back into his car and ran her over. laura is in critical condition, where authorities began conducting interviews, including interviewing laura's ex-husband who spoke to police for about 12 hours this weekend. no charges have been filed. >> from what i understand, she was here car pooling with
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someone else taking her to work. but she was not a guest of the hotel, nor an employee of the office complex. >> straight out to alison preese. alison, what is her condition tonight? and where are her children? >> she's still critical tonight. it's unknown where her children are at this point. she did have custody of them and her ex-husband had visitation. >> has the ex-husband been interrogated? >> yes, for 12 hours, from saturday evening until -- i'm sorry friday evening until early saturday morning. >> and he is not labeled a suspect at this juncture, he's been let free to walk. what about the current boyfriend, allison? >> police indicated they don't have the suspects right now, they're still looking at
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everybody. >> to matt zorell. what was the sequence of events? >> apparently she went 8:00 a.m. friday morning to meet a co-worker to car pool to work. what hatched was witnesses say a man, as soon as she got out of the car, a man walked up to her, stabbed her multiple times in the torso, got back into his car and then ran her over and fled the scene. >> okay, what can you tell me about his vehicle, matt? >> we know it's a blue or green suv. unfortunately we haven't been able to figure out what it could be compared to, but we're still trying to work that through. >> allison pries, how many witnesses saw this? >> two hotel guests came upon her body lying in the parking lot. >> so did they see the incident? >> they saw the dark colored suv leave and they saw her lying face down on the pavement. >> do we know whether the perpetrator was a male, female,
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white, black, hispanic, what do we know? >> nothing. no details have been released. >> why? why, allison? if cops want the public to help find the perpetrator, how can we do that if we don't have the most rudimentary description? >> i don't know. they're being very tight lipped. >> back to you, matt zorell. any idea where the children are tonight, ages 8 and 5, and what about the relationship? it's my understanding a temporary restraining order had been taken out against the ex-husband but it had expired? >> yes, nancy. reports are that the protection orpdzer expired april 29th of this year. they have been divorced a little over two years. there were battles over custody and child support. he had a judgment against him for 1 wood 1 sthou in january of 2008 for not paying child support. we are still trying to figure out where the children are tonight. >> matt, what can you tell me about anything, the neighbors,
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friends, co-workers have to say about her, the victim, laura, or the husband, the ex-husband? >> neighbors have said wonderful things about laura. she was working two jobs to support her children. a neighbor where the ex-husband says, says that laura, the wife, was cheating on him and told the new boyfriend, told the kids to call the new boyfriend dad and that the ex-husband was very upset about that. >> we are taking your calls live. to linda in texas. hi, dear, what's your question? >> caller: i'm wondering the person she was car pooling with ever showed up? >> excellent question. to allison pries, what do we know, was the car pool there waiting for her? >> the car pooler arrived as the two guests were finding her body. >> where did she work, do we know? >> we're not sure. >> but we know she was holding
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down two jobs to support her children. so allison, what can you tell me about the relationship between her and her ex-husband? what it acrimonious, had they settled and gone their separate ways? >> there have been disputes, as you mentioned earlier, about child support payments and the sale of the marital home. >> isn't it true, matt, that she got about an $11,000 back child support judgment against him? >> yes, in january of '08 for failure to pay child support. you're right, nancy. >> they were divorce 2 wood 1/2 years ago and prosecutors say she did have a retraining order against him that just recently expired. they have two children. ♪ well i was shopping for a new car, ♪ ♪ which one's me - a cool convertible or an suv? ♪ too bad i didn't know my credit was whack ♪ ♪ 'cause now i'm driving off the lot in a used sub-compact. ♪
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her hands looked very bloody. she did not appear to be moving. >> police are search for a suspect who stabbed a mother of two in the parking lot of a new jersey hotel, then ran her over with his car. she was waiting to meet a co-worker to car pool to work friday morning, when a man jumped out of his vehicle and stabbed her in the torso. then got back into his car and ran laura over. >> the hotel general manager says it was two guests who found 46-year-old laura lying face down in a pool of blood. >> she suffered multiple knife wounds and broken bones. police began to speak to laura's
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ex-husband. he has since been released and is not facing any charges. >> chopper 12 new over the crime scene after the attack took place. police investigating after three hotel guests discovered a woman lying face down. police say that man, 41-year-old alan pelchek, stabbed and ran over the mother of his children. >> they were divorce 2 wood 1/2 years ago. they have two children. police say the victim whereas waiting for a friend for a car pool to their work place when her estranged husband allegedly went on the attack. police say he tried to hide at his grandmother's home. his ex-wife remains in critical condition. >> chopper 12 was over the crime scene shortly after the attack we're told took place around 8:30 this morning. police investigating after several guests of the hotel
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discovered a woman lying face down. that victim was waiting to be picked up by a co-worker. investigators say she was taken to hackensack university hospital where she's listed in critical condition. >> i want to clear something up. matt zorell, the ex-husband has not been named a suspect. i heard what the affiliate reporter said, but he's not been named a suspect. in fact, he underwent questioning without a lawyer for about 12 hours and police let him go. >> in fact, they were looking for him after this happened. they say he's not a person of interest. nothing to indicate he's involved at this point. >> it's always s.o.p., you first look at husband, lover, ex-husband, ex-lover, boyfriend, then you move out from there. why, daniel? >> first of all, early news reports pointed to sources who
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blamed the husband. so that's probably where that came from. but you look for people closest to the victim. a motive for this kind of murder is passion. there's no other reason to do it. so you look at the ex-husband, the boyfriend, people who might be angry at her or nuts around her and go from there. >> ray, i don't think it's limited to people who are a little nuts. perfectly normal people suddenly nut up and commit a heinous crime. >> daniel has described what i would consider to be the inner ring, then you move to the outer ring. co-employees, what happened at yale, people she may have had an argument with at the bank. >> it's interesting what struck me is the assailant stabs her, then gets back into his car and rubs over her. dr. marty mckerry, describe your assessment of what her injuries most likely are. >> i got to be honest, nancy, i've been shocked in my ten years of trauma surgery of major
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injuries like this being survivable. and humbles sometimes they're fatal when minor. she has multiple stab injuries, she has a crush injury. they produce something that hurts your kidneys. often in the icu for a long time. she'll be there at least four weeks, if she comes through it, she'll likely remember everything right up to when she passed out. >> we were told she was whispering something to the paramedics. joining me right now is a very, very special guest, take a listen. >> what's with your penchant for jumping still? >> two reasons. one, it still feels good. you still get a charge out of it. it's not easy to do at 85, but i get a charge. >> i don't think it's does do at any age. tell me what each of you remembers about that day, how this rescue came about, and your thoughts at the time?
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certainly you couldn't have believed it right at the beginning. >> no. we didn't know what was happening. >> morning sunshine, top anchor on a top show, "headline news" morning show with robin meade. robin, your book deals with so many obstacles that you have faced. >> yeah. >> what is your message? because all of us looking at you find it very difficult to believe you ever had an obstacle. >> so this book really deals with my struggles through self-confidence and self-esteem. for me it manifested itself on the air about ten years ago when i was anchoring in chicago in the form of panic attacks. so i wrote this book for other people, maybe you don't have panic attacks but maybe you have a self-confidence issue. and who among us doesn't? so this walks us through it.
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>> robin, what advice do you give other people? >> in terms of their self-confidence? you know, i think that if we all really look at ourselves in an honest way, if you do an honest self-assessment and not believe the stories, the little lies you've allowed to tell yourself and believe, you have every single reason to feel confident about yourself. i wanted to show you, this is when i did a sky dive with president bush 41 and the golden knights. i think that's a really good example of how i came full circle in my dealings with anxiety. about ten years ago, there's no way i would have zwrumped out of a plane and not had anxiety issues. because i've been able to bring it full circle and say i have every reason to be self-confident. just like you do at home, i was able to do this without any anxiety. >> let's go to patricia in
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texas. >> caller: how are you, nancy? >> good, dear, what's your question? >> caller: i'm 36 and i have panic attacks, and they have put me on medication, i was thinking i was dying of course. now i know i'm not. but what did you do or how do you overcome that without having to be on this medication? i hate having to rely on medications. >> i had a transformation break-through where i had to flip myself and say "what are the benefits the panic attacks?" instead of fearing them so much. as soon as i stopped fearing them, they stopped coming. i wish you a lot of luck in your struggle with it. ♪ you're the one
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what i remembered, president bush, that barbara said "no more" after you were 80. >> well, barbara has different ways of phrasing her enthusiasm. one of hers is, "one way or another, this is your last jump." i said, "come on, darling, one way or another?" the last one was "i'm glad you did this at the church here. we won't have far to move you." >> everybody, i'm talking to robin meade. we are taking your calls. you see robin every morning here on "headline news." we have to go so far as to jump out of a plane to overcome our obstacles? i'm not jumping out of a plane.
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i have no interest in that. >> exactly. no, we don't have to do crazy stunts. to really demonstrate we have self-confidence in ourselves. it can be something as simple as, when you're struggling with your self-esteem, try to think in terms of respect. respect is higher in the ladder of confidence than just being liked. i was infat tated with whether nancy grace likes me or the audience likes me. therefore, i was putting other people's opinion of myself above my own opinion of myself. if you give yourself respect, you're giving other people respect, you're kind of throwing out the infatuation with being admired. no, you don't have to jump out of a plane. i admire you just the way you are, nancy. >> you are seeing our robin meade. of course we all wake up with her every morning. my children watch you every morning, robin meade. caller. trina in minnesota. hi, trina. >> caller: hi.
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>> what is your question for robin? >> caller: i have a quick question. i used to be a lot thinner and prettier and i hit my 40s. my question is, i go out and i see all these happy-looking, pretty people just having this great life. i kind of hit that mid-life blah. what i'm wondering is, how do you convince yourself that you're still a viable, pretty good-looking person compared to, you know, according to my husband, everything, how do you convince yourself when you get home, in the mirror, that you're really not as bad as you feel on the inside? >> well, hopefully your confidence isn't based on your outside appearance because you are so much more than that. you know, i always tell people that your outside is going to change. you know, your -- if you feel like -- your looks are going to go at one point. the muscles are going to sag for the guys. the chiselled jaw line. but what is really you stays constant. the you that you were when you were born. >> that's easy for you to say,
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meade, you're beautiful. what about the rest of us? yeah, you toss that one off. you know, but bottom line, robin, it all boils down to how you approach your problems. >> that is exactly right, nancy. just like yourself. in your life and your story, there have been plenty of challenges where you could have said, i'm done with it. you are a fighter. you've come back, and we are a benefit of it. therefore, folks at home, it's not going to be easy, but if you can look at it and say, i'm going to overcome this. >> robin meade's new book "good morning sunshine." let's all stop and remember marine lieutenant corporal christopher fowles. airlifted to a military hospital, died with his parents by his side. christopher fowlkes. american hero. thanks to our guests, but especially to you. i'll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp eastern. until then, good night, friend.
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