-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight, a family torn apart. mackenzie phillips back on oprah again with more head-spinning claims about incestuous sex, drug addiction and rape. this time she has ammo. she's bringing her sister, who's now backing up mackenzie's claims of incest with her dad. but other members of mackenzie's extended clan are lining up against her, charging "you lie." "issues" has exclusive information from the family of john phillips. and a double dose of evil. blood-soaked walls, beaten dogs, and day care? a horrific dogfighting ring, busted up out of all places a child care center in illinois. what? ten children taken out during a police raid.

cops say these poor dogs were tortured and fighting to the death right next to a children's swing set. who were the sickos who thought dogfighting and day care were a good mix? also, reliving a long nightmare. jaycee dugard says she will take the stand against phillip garrido. she wants to testify against the monster who's accused of holding her captive for 18 long years. this could force her to reveal every gut-wrenching and sordid sexual detail in front of the whole world. all while this poor woman is trying to rebuild her life. tonight's big "issue," does the criminal justice system victimize rape survivors twice? plus, a celebrity superstar busted for allegedly skipping out on his hotel bill. randy quaid and his wife were arrested in texas, accused of owing a hotel $10,000. that's a lot of trips to the mini-bar. and check out these mug shots. quaid claims the bill is paid, and says the hotel's doing this all for publicity.

who do you believe? "issues" starts now. shocking and revolting actions ignite a firestorm of a family feud. the whole world knows this by now. mckenzie phillips says she had sex with her own father, rock legend, john phillips. she paints a sickening question claiming daddy pulled her into a frightening world of drugs and forbidden sex. she revealed what she calls her darkest secrets to, who else, oprah. >> i woke up that night from a blackout to find myself having sex with my own father. your father is supposed to protect you. your father is supposed to protect you. not [ muted ] you. >> mackenzie's horrifying allegations are dividing her showbiz family. especially since john is dead. and he cannot defend himself. stepmom, michelle phillips says, you lie. take with a grain of salt anything said by somebody who had a needle in their arm for 35

years. mackenzie was back on oprah today, but this time sister chynna came along who backed her up. >> i'm proud of my sister. you know, am i exceedingly joyful that my family secret that i told maybe my therapist, my husband, and my very best friend in the world know now, a platform for everybody to know? it's very upsetting. >> so you've known for a while. >> i've known for a long time. >> mackenzie's other sister, actress bijou phillips, is also speaking out. she lived alone with her dad since she was 3 years old. and you will not believe what she has to say. are these horrific claims true? will we ever know? mackenzie says she has a handful of people who know it happened. but is she trustworthy? just last year, mackenzie got busted for heroin and cocaine. we know addicts lie. is she sober now? straight out to my fabulous panel, criminal defense attorney

mark eiglarsh. cnn legal analyst, lisa bloom. psychiatrist dr. dale archer. curtis sliwa, founder of guardian angels. also talking only to us tonight, the widow of john phillips. farnas phillips. thank you so much for joining us on the phone. i understand that you did not want to be on camera. but you still felt that you had to speak out to clear john's name. what was your reaction when you first heard these claims? do you believe them or not? >> under no circumstances do i believe this. i always knew john. and i always knew mackenzie. considering the source, mackenzie phillips, she already admitted to oprah the other day she's a liar. >> why do you think, if you believe that she lied, and let's face it, none of us knows what happens behind closed doors. nobody really is going to know,

because he's dead. and how can we verify what she's saying? but if you believe that she is lying, why would she lie about something like this? >> well, she's been going through a couple of years of hard time and tough life. and she just is putting out the book right after that. like you said, on the jim morrow show, that it might be the anger. i can add drugs and money into it and -- drugs and money? >> yes, because she is making money at it. listen to this. if you take a couple of pages out of the book that she refers to john and allegations she has against john, that book would have never been sold. >> well, yeah, of course. the reason it's a best seller is she's saying she had sex with her famous father, and he shot her up, and he incested her. these are horrifying claims. >> and john cannot defend himself. that's why i'm on the phone with you.

i want to defend him, speak for him. i know john was -- >> how long were you married to him? >> i was married to john for six years, and he was sober for like five and a half years out of it. and he was -- he loved his family. he would do anything possible. >> was he a drug addict and an alcoholic? >> when i was married to him, no. >> but previous to that? in other words, he sobered up? what years were you married to him? >> i was married to him from 1995 up until 2001 when he passed. and he was -- >> so he finally got sober? he finally got sober, which is wonderful news. did he ever say to you, i have problems with mackenzie? boy, she's trouble? or, wow, something really awful happened? happened? >> john was a very honest person, not like mackenzie said

he was a liar. he was never a liar. even wrote a book about himself a long time ago blaming himself for everything, that half of it wasn't even him. if he did something like that, don't you think an honest person would put that in his book? to sell it? he never did that. i'm 100% sure. >> i just want to say, farnas, thank you for coming on our show exclusively and talking about your belief that john phillips did not commit the incest that his daughter, mackenzie, is accusing him of. >> yes. the last thing she can chew on, and she's chewing on it. my problem is that the headaches she's caused in the family. i'm very upset that -- bijou is very upset. i love bijou. and i think it's not right to have family divided. >> yeah. and boy, thank you. this has divided the family. mackenzie's sister, actress bijou phillips, said mackenzie

told her about the abuse, then said, oh, you know what, it never really happened. bijou said "the man who raised me would never be capable of doing such things. if he was, it is heartbreaking to me to think that my family would leave me alone with him." that raises a very good question. lisa bloom, if this actually happened, should mackenzie have made a motion to keep bijou away from john? but bijou said she was raised by a guy who was like mr. mom and was a loving and supportive father. >> absolutely. the problem mackenzie phillips has is that she is a lifelong drug addict, a serious addict. i'm talking about heroin and cocaine being shot into her arms on a daily basis for many years. it doesn't mean her story is untrue. in my view, it probably is true. i represented a woman very much like mackenzie phillips

when i represented sexual abuse survivors for many years, who had had a consensual adult relationship with her father. it's absolutely devastating. it does happen. but the way that mackenzie phillips has gone about this is all wrong, because she's done it by trying to sell a book. that means everybody is suspicious of her motives. she could have come out, for example, i would have advised her, come out and be the national spokesperson for the rape and incest survivor network. do something unpaid. tell your story. people are more likely to believe you. also, frankly, before your father died. i mean this is very suspicious in a lot of people's minds and rightly so. >> dr. dale archer, you know, it's so troubling because there's no way for us to verify, and she waited until after her father died, even though he got sober before he died. and there's -- this is destroying the family. michelle phillips says that all of the nieces and nephews in the phillips family are not going to school now. they're staying home and they're sobbing because she has essentially shamed the entire phillips family. is that something that she should have taken into consideration or not?

>> no. i mean, look, she shamed the phillips family, maybe so. what about what she has been living with and dealing with over her entire life? there is never an easy way or a good way to come forward with this. i say bravo. any way you can get this message out. this is an epidemic in america. there are women that this happens to -- >> incest is an epidemic? i didn't know that. >> absolutely. it is huge. and it's impossible to get the number on -- >> adult incest? >> only if you are in the field and you treat people as a psychiatrist or a psychologist, do you hear these stories time after time after time, again. and the women are scared -- >> but are the people that you're hearing them from addicts? heroin addicts? >> they're all -- >> who has just gotten sober less than a year ago? >> are these stories about adult incest? that's a very different form. >> all i will say is that it is so hard to come forward, and this is always what happens, no one believes you. all the time a girl will come forward and tell the story, and the mom will support the dad.

>> but wouldn't it have been a better idea to go into family therapy and tell your family, this is what happened to me. because apparently she's told people this in the past. but then according to michelle and bijou, she took it back and she said it didn't happened. >> you know, jane, i think that you're right. yeah, there is a good way to do it. but any way to get this out is very important. and it's not easy to do. >> got to take a break. >> and if it took a book for her to do this, i say that's fine. i say, if this sheds a light on this problem, then that is a good thing. >> more on mackenzie phillips in just a bit. we're also taking your calls on this one. give me a holler, 1-877-jvm-says. 1-877-586-7297. do you believe her? plus dogfighting and day care under the same roof? we can't even show it to you it's so bad. we'll update you on the condition of some unbelievably tortured dogs. but first, more on mackenzie phillips' alleged incestuous affair with her father. here she is back in 1996 talking

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i went to my father and i said, look, we need to talk about how you raped me. and my dad said, raped you? don't you mean when we made love? and in that moment i thought, wow, i'm really on my own here. >> mackenzie phillips on oprah, shocking claims from the former tv actress. she says she carried on an incestuous relationship with her dad for ten years. she writes about it in her new book, which is a best-seller, "high on arrival." phone lines lighting up on this one. shawn, your question or thought? >> caller: hi, jane. >> hi. >> caller: yeah,

i'm just calling to say i don't really think any of this is true. i think she's just trying to make money for your book. >> all right. i think you raise an interesting point. and i want to talk about why people do things, curtis sliwa. i know that children of addicts of alcoholics are often extremely mad at their addict parent. so there could be various levels of motivation. it could be she wants a book. she has a tv show. but she also could have a lot of deep-seated anger. i want to quote quickly from my book about growing up in an alcoholic household. children of alcoholics experience trauma when they grow up with a person who isn't really present the way a sober person is. often these children have been traumatized by the excessive drama in the household. rageful, weepy or detached children of alcoholics and addicts have a tendency to develop bitterness over their stilted relationship with the alcoholic or addict parent. >> man, i'd be crazy mad against this guy. this guy was a freaky deeky guy. we just talked about the story

of ryan o'neal at the wake. the final viewing of farrah fawcett. beautiful blond comes up and kisses him, hello, ryan, and he tries to put the squeeze on her and said, what are you doing after the wake? you and me got the urge to merge. she said, ryan, it's me, tatum, your daughter. come on, wake up, america! he admitted this, ryan. >> there's a big difference between that story and this story. >> there's no difference. these guys believe in this come live and let live, lay laissez faire. and what she father said was, oh, you've got to accept the fact that this is the kind of a lifestyle you live. are you crazy? >> jane, i've got to get in here. jane -- >> hold on. let's see the panel. let's see the panel. mark eiglarsh. >> thank you, jane. first of all, you've got dale archer saying bravo. you've got sliwa convicting him already. let me explain something, the only thing we know for sure is none of us will ever know for

sure whether this really happened. that's number one. and number two, as i tell my jurors, when i'm raising questions about someone's credibility, there's a difference between believability and accuracy. so even if when you see this oprah interview, she looks believable, it may be entirely different whether she's accurate, whether this really did happen or whether it was imagined in order to sell books or when she was in a drug-induced state. >> well, i think drugs is at the heart of all of this. mackenzie talks about growing up in a crazy drug-filled world. she says she was 10 when she was rolling joints for her dad. 13 when she was -- he was helping her shoot up at the age of 13. she tells oprah her dad brought her to a party where she had sex with rocker mick jagger, who hasn't responded to this. i'm waiting to hear from him. when she was only 18. listen to this one. >> so my dad walks out. mick turns around, locks the door and looked at me and he says, i've been waiting for this since you were 10 years old.

and my dad, you know, comes back and -- that's my daughter in there! let her out! we just -- we ignored him. >> lisa bloom, mick jagger hasn't responded. but boy, he's probably fuming across the pond as it were. >> well, at least she was 18. in that allegation. so he wasn't proposing anything that was illegal. although it's disgusting if he knew her since she was a little girl. look, this is america. people are entitled to respond to allegations that smear their reputation for all of history. this man has passed away in 2001. like i said, i tend to believe her. but i'm really offended at the way that she has gone about this, waiting many years after her father was gone to disclose it. the so-called witnesses who support her side are only people who she told. they didn't see anything. they didn't hear anything. there doesn't seem to be any evidence. and she's a wealthy woman. she comes from a wealthy family. i assume she has a lot of money -- >> wait, wait, wait. >> -- why did she do this

by way of selling a book? >> wait a second. i don't know how wealthy she is. maybe there's a jealousy factor here because the mama and papa's fortune has not descended on her, mike eiglarsh. >> that does not excuse it. >> that is very possible. lisa pointed out by coming out with a book, now you've got bias, motive, interest, all those things that should not be present if she had just come out with no interest at all. what i say to all the people out there, don't jump to conclusions, because you just don't know. and if it really did happen, dale, she does in fact deserve our compassion and sympathy. but we don't know. >> we have to wrap it up right there. i know we could talk about this forever. >> doesn't anybody listen to chynna? >> it's over. >> you know, seriously, my dad was an alcoholic. in my new recovery memoir, i write about that. i talk about how my own father's alcoholism encouraged me to drink to excess. it left me bitter about my relationship with him until i got sober 14 years ago. there he is, there i am.

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the woman who wrongfully accused five, count them, five men of raping her at hofstra university will not face criminal charges. the d.a. made that announcement today. 18-year-old dammel nadona was, however, ordered to get mental health treatment -- you think -- and complete 250 hours of community service. if she fails to do that, she could be charged at a later date. though she signed an agreement admitting she lied to police and engaged in consensual sex, these false accusations threatened to really ruin the lives of the four young men who were arrested. we actually talked to one of them on "issues!" >> i was really scared of the i couldn't believe what was

basically going through my mind. it was like a big nightmare. and i thought i was going to do time for something i didn't do. i was going to be punished for something that i did not do. >> joining me now, cnn legal analyst, lisa bloom. lisa, is there a double standard here? what could and should she have been charged with? >> she could have been charged with making false statements to the police. that's a misdemeanor. but i applaud, i applaud district attorney kathleen rice for coming to this outcome. our prisons are overcrowded. we are stretched beyond our budgets to pay for them. prison is not the solution to everything. prison is a place for violent offenders and pedophiles. this woman is neither of those things. she made a terrible mistake. she did a horrible thing. but let her be out paying her own way for her own housing and food and doing 250 hours of community service, which is to our benefit as the taxpayers. and get mental health treatment which she would not get if she was behind bars. i think this is the right outcome. >> sometimes the prisons are filled because of women like her making false accusations.

>> i agree. she did a terrible thing. and a lot of people do terrible things. but prison is not the answer for everything. >> she hurts women as well as men. because now women who have been raped are going to be afraid to come forward because they're going to fear they won't be believed. the d.a. said her job was not just to prosecute, but to find the truth. listen to this. >> prosecutors almost immediately identified significant inconsistencies as she told them her story. the turning point was when she was confronted with the fact that there may exist a video of some or all of the incident. the woman began to reveal the truth about what happened. >> so lisa, basically as soon as the d.a. started questioning, she found the accuser's story totally full of holes. you have to wonder whether the cops didn't make the same realization when it was so apparent to the d.a.

instead, they took these kids' names and faces and put it all over the media. >> the cops should never have done that. i applaud her. one of the things rice said in reaching this deal was she doesn't want other people who are making false claims to be afraid to admit it. because they're afraid they're going to go to jail. if you make a false claim, that's a terrible thing, but at least if you finally admit it was false and we can set things right, we're not going to throw you in the slammer. we're going to give you community service. and by the way, if she doesn't do her community service, she does immediately get charged with a crime under this plea deal. i think this is a very smart plea deal. it's got teeth. i think kathleen rice did just the right thing here. >> you convinced me. because at first i was thinking this is a big double standard. although we fight against the war on women, and i hate violence against women, what i hate just as much is a phony claim that could ruin the lives of four young men. to this day people are calling their sisters, oh, you're the sibling of the rapist. it's just not fair. >> no, it isn't. >> we'll be back with a horrific

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