now on "showbiz tonight" this week, the explosive mackenzie phillips incest debate. >> the sound bite, ten-year affair. that is the wrong way to characterize. >> the provocative debate, should mackenzie have kept quiet. tonight, have jon and kate become a laughing stock? they try to get serious with new careers after their split. how come everyone is making fun of them. >> you don't want the kids. >> of course i love kids. have you seen my girlfriend? >> tonight is anyone taking jon

and kate seriously? if you find anyone who does, can you have them give usa call? tonight the great "showbiz tonight" debate, are jon and kate now a laughingstock. plus the startling pregnancy trend. why are so many big stars over 40 having babies? it's a must see showbiz special report. the weekend edition of tv's most provocative news show starts right now. hello, i'm a.j. hammer broadcasting tonight and every night from new york city. this is "showbiz tonight" this weekend. tonight the mackenzie phillips outrage. there's a startling backlash to mackenzie phillips shocking claims she had a sexual relationship with her famous father for ten years. now some members of her family are saying flat-out they don't believe her. they don't believe it ever happened. "showbiz tonight" has been on top of every breaking

development in this disturbing story. >> i need to be free. if in doing so, i have offended anybody, i am truly sorry for that. >> mackenzie phillips went on the "today" show to address the uproar that followed her shocking claim she shared on oprah, she and her father, john phillips of the mamas and papas had a sexual relationship for ten years. >> your father is supposed to test you, not -- >> showbiz will tell you mackenzie graphic details of incestuous sex and drug use provoked an explosive reaction including her famous stepmother and sister. >> it sounds like now there is definitely strive within the family. >> mackenzie's father john phillips was a founding member of the mamas and papas, responsible for "california dreamin."

john phillips died in 2001. the claims are from her new book that just came out, a memoir," high on arrival." she claims her father first had sex with her after a drug induced blackout when she was a teen starring on "one day at a time." >> i woke up from a blackout to find migration having sex with my father. >> mackenzie said that led to a sexual relationship with her father. she disputed headlines that said ten-year affair. >> people said for ten years i had this relationship. at 18 i was molested. then maybe three years later i started waking up with my pants down around my ankles. then maybe two years after that it became consensual. so to call it a ten-year affair or relationship is not correct. >> now, "showbiz tonight" can

tell you, the phillips family is bitterly divided over mackenzie's claims. we learned today her stepmother, michelle phillips also in the mamas and papas is saying flat out mackenzie is lying. >> we spoke to michelle phillips who said she does not believe mackenzie. >> michelle phillips pulls no punches. she brings up the long history of drug abuse saying," you should take with a grain of salt anything that's said by a person with a needle stuck in her arm for years. it's disgusting. >> it has to hurt her. not only is she coming out telling her her truth but her stepmother comes out and publicly barbs her. >> on the other side, her sister, chynna phillips, one-third of the singing group wilson phillips. >> chynna, which "us" magazine spoke to is standing by her sister. >> in her shocking interview with the magazine, she revealed she's known the shocking secret

for more than a decade. she told us," i knew it was true. i mean, who in their right mind would make such a claim if it wasn't true? >> she said she wasn't very comfortable with mackenzie doing the book and wished she had come to her first and knew it was happening. she does support her. she's behind her. she loves her. >> this morning on the "today" show, mackenzie said the reaction from her family is all too typical. >> if you open a textbook on incest and you can see a picture of the phillips family. we're behaving in the typical way. the instinct is to say it's not true. the instinct is to deny. the instinct is to brush it under the table. the instinct is to protect the abuser. >> mackenzie still has hope the revelation won't tear her family apart. >> i know god willing as a family we will be stronger when

this all dies down. >> wow, there's more. in her interview on "today" show, mackenzie revealed another bombshell. leslie marshall host of the leslie marshall show, also pat, an investigative journalist. just when we thought we'd heard everything on oprah, this morning on the "today" show, mackenzie didn't slam her father, she actually partially blamed herself for the consensual sexual relationship with him. you've got to watch what she said here. >> this was a warped event over time. what it started out as was molestation. i feel i had no accountability for the initial event. i believe i have some accountability for what went down afterwards. >> i'm not sure to make of that. mackenzie taking responsibility for what happened. pat, do you believe she bears any responsibility if this did actually happen. >> if she's listening i want her to go to a therapist's office right now. she's not responsible if what she's alleging is true.

her father may not have put a gun to her head. as i said, there is no consensual incest. she was under the spell of a man mired in drug and alcohol abuse, swimming in a domestic cesspool. she is not responsible for what happened. i completely disagree with her, if what she's saying is true. >> seems to me. there is growing evidence that the interest in mackenzie story is really exploding here. take a loot a this. this afternoon her new book called "high on arrival" hit number three on amazon's best seller list. to put that in perspective, it's not far behind number one, the dan brown book," the lost symbol." he's the guy that wrote "the da vinci code." the perfect example of how the mackenzie story is striking a cord with so many people. why do you think that is? >> i think there's a lot of people in this country unfortunately that suffer from

this secret. they feel i'm not alone. they feel they can relate to her. they can read through her nightmare and maybe not have to revisit and relive their own. statistically one in four people in america was molested as a child. whether that was an incestual relationship or not, we have very high numbers of people that have been affected by incest in this country, by molestation and these people feel somebody is finally speaking for me. mackenzie has become their -- captions by vitac -- voice. >> not to diminish that at all leslie. that is the sol reason the book climbed to number three. pat, tell me what you think here. she makes claims of her father teaching her to do drug, all the drugs they did together, the incest claims. do you think there's a bit of the train wreck factor that is driving this thing? >> of course. of course mackenzie knew this

when she wrote the book. this is a domestic land mine. it's shocking. we can't look away. i hate to use the term but there's a certain sleaze factor. if it can be cathartic for her, i'm all for it. too bad if her family doesn't like it. i think we can learn more from her than jon gosselin's tramp of the month and the fact he left eight young children in the dust. we want to hear that. >> i don't often give an amen but i'll give you one for that. >> thank you. >> not just buying her book, in her interview on the "today" show, mackenzie revealed she's been getting overwhelming support elsewhere since she told her story elsewhere. >> since the publication of the book yesterday, the outpouring of support from other incest survivors has been phenomenal. this is a subject so incredibly tabu, as well it should be. there needs to be a dialogue about it.

the covers need to be pulled. you can't keep sweeping this under the carpet. this is affecting families all over the world. >> that would be a good side affect of this. that said, leslie, do you think more people will be disturbed by mackenzie making claims than those helped by them? >> i know from the tweets and facebook e-mail messages and my talk show, a lot of people are very uncomfortable with her putting it out on oprah, not a psychiatrist couch. a lot of people saying tmi. when they say how many people coming out saying this is helping me, a lot of people feeling mixed now. >> thanks for joining us on "showbiz tonight" this weekend. i appreciate it. as we move on, have jon and kate gosselin become a total laughing stock? they are both trying to start new careers. with this talk of clothing lines, tv talk shows, is anyone taking them seriously? i have the great jon and kate debate. britney's ex-husband, kevin federline, remember him? he's packed on a few pounds.

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what's so lovely, she said she felt her heart stretching. i think, again, mothers totally relate to that. >> does nicole planning on having more? she tells me she isn't rulings it out. >> if i have more kids, that's beautiful. i would love to be able to get lost in that. >> well, they are certainly not the only fabulous women who have had kids after 40. look at this, geena davis did at 53. helen hunt, jennifer beals, and mariska hargitay had them when they were 45. beverly deangelo had a kid when she was 57, if you can believe it. be sure to pick up a copy of "more" magazine on news stands now. zimpl the show biz on call priorities are all over 40, and i think they look fabulous. maybe it's something in the "showbiz tonight" offense water. i don't know. so jon gosselin hasn't been shy into jumping into the big old dating pool. we're still getting tons of calls about jon and kate. "showbiz tonight" on call from melissa in oregon. she says she knows why jon is

dating around. >> i think kate is a wonderful mother. i think jon already knew how she was before he married her. so what he got was what he got. they had eight children together. i think he's going through a midlife crisis. >> i appreciate your call. maybe not a midlife crisis, jon is in his early 30s. we heard from vanessa, she squarely blames kate for the breakup. >> i think we should really look at jon. he is a victim here. kate is a good mother but she was a horrible wife. she was very abusive to him and she embarrassed him throughout the entire show. >> i appreciate your call. you can call the showbiz online phone lines. leave us a voice mail and we'll play some of your calls here on "showbiz tonight." and your calls to showbiz on

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>> and month and jokes have been rolling. they are no longer the beloved family reality show stars. they're now the butt of jokes around the country in a big way. wait until you see the brand new rifts spoofs and one-liners about jon and kate. is off limits. from jon's philandering ways to kate's hairstyle choices. comedians are having a field day with these two, but is this really the way that they want people to sew them. joy behar reveals what she really thinks of kate gosselin after hanging out with her on the set of "the view." are all those jokes about kate valid? i sat down with joy as she gets ready to launch her own big show right here ol hln, and she does

not hold back on the real inside story on kate gosselin. reason in hollywood ken baker, an executive news etd tore for e and lisa bernhardt, an entertainment journalist. is really is the jon and kate comedy bonanza lately. the back and forth drama of jon and kate gosselin as they're going through this mess yes, me messy divorce really went from being a serious matter on their show "jon and kate plus eight" for being the butt of a whole lot of jokes. i must play this for you. jay leno wasting no time last night getting in a big, dig. take a look. >> last week jon gosselin from "jon and kate" got a speeding ticket in pennsylvania. yeah. apparently he was going nowhere fast. did you see him? did you see gosselin on good morning america last week? he said that he was abused when he was married to kate. he said she yelled at him constantly belittling him and made him do things he didn't want to do. hey, jon, that's called marriage. okay? wake up.

wake up. >> it seems to me that jon and kate have all this coming, if you ask me. kent, are you at all surprised they've become such a laughing stock, or are you like me, it was netable? >> i think it was netable, but, you know what, a.j., sometimes when we're tired of crying, we have to laugh. i mean, this has been a very sad, tragic story for a very long time, but even in his saddest, most tragic moments, of course, everyone knew that two things are always funny. bad hair and beer guts. when you put them on a reality star, you are going to laugh. i think that's eventually what's happened, and seriously, though, of course, there's a tragedy. one thing that is not funny about this is that there are eight kids indicate in the crossfire of a very nasty, public, bitter divorce, but i think that people are now starting to say, you know what, we just got to make fun of this. it's sort of -- it's past. it's sort of statute of limitations of tragedy, and now we have to play it for the humor, and i think it's just right for comedy. >> i didn't know what the statute of limitation on tragedy

was. i'm glad you pointed it out. great point. can i agree with you on that? >> all the rules are here. the rules are here. >> i appreciate you taking care of that for us. sfoo what really has struck me about the whole thing is it's not jon, it's not kate. neither of them save from all the spoofs and jokes, kate reportedly just shot the show for her own talk show. a pilot for it. something she may be doing with paula dean. jon is busy, of course, dating his soul mate, as he put it, 22-year-old haley glassman. these are two things that got jimmy kimmel's show thinking about the perfect jon and kate spoof, like what a brand new kate show might be like. >> 16 desperate single women. one available guy. kate gosselin presents who wants to be the underaged slut who had sex with my husband above the garage while he is supposed to be watching our litter of kids. only on fox. >> lease yashgs let me throw this out to you. what do you think about all of the drama about both of them that's been in the news lately, and how jon is with this woman

who is ten years younger than him. do jon and kate really kind of deserve to be a laughing stock? >> well, i'll tell you something, i think yes, i sort of do. lisp, what does it mean when you are made the butt of jokes by guys like jimmy kimmel and jay leno? it means you have arrived. it means you're stars. it means you have officially been ushered into the pop culture as major stars. you are in the game now. you are brand. you are well known. you have arrived. i think it actually only helps anything else that they want to do. his clothing line, her doing this talk show where she's sitting among renee sylor and lee woodruff. you know, a journalist, and she's among their company and paula dean, who is obviously a huge star. she is now a huge star, and i think, you know, these late night talk show hosts, they can't help but ignore these people that everybody is talking about, and i think, a.j., you and i and most of your guests, haven't we kind of been having fun with them for months now too

before jay and the rest of them? >> it's true. no, if that's your definition of having arrived, i think it happened some time ago. when you think about comedian and good friend of the show tonight kathie griffin, and now she's been making a living often of jon and kate gosselin for months now. she's been doing this for a while. check out the hell airus spoof that she did for gemmy kimmel live. roll that. >> she was a mother. >> i told you monsters to cram a poly pocket in those pie holes. mommy is doing a satellite feed with regis. >> but, mom, we're thirsty. >> waa, waa, waa. drink the teersz of pain. >> kathie griffin did not hold back when she told me what she really thinks of jon. >> he is a tool. you know, i hope people think she's a neat mare, and they want to call in and say she's horrible. he is a tool sitting there rolling his eyes. it's kate plus nine. that's what that show is, and she's another one with the tummy tuck and, you know -- my mother dent have a tummy tuck. is he has a box of wine and a

moo moo. >> lisa thinks this can help them, but when comedians make these kinds of jokes could it ruin jon and kate's chances of being taken seriously? they are trying hard to strike out and create serious careers outside of the reality show. >> yeah. hold on one second. kids, shut up. okay? now, back to important business here. no, you can't have a drink. no, really what it is is, look, jon gosselin last i checked is not running for senator of pennsylvania. he is running to get another reality show, okay? the last i checked he wants to do a reality show as a divorced dave dad trying to move on with his life, and, you know what, he knows what he is. he knows what his brand is. it's not barack obama. his brand is more, you know -- is just like joe six-pack. i think it's about to be totally fine. >> listen to this. joy behar stopped by "showbiz tonight" this afternoon and stoeld me what she thinks of jon and kate being laughing stocks. i must point out that the joy behar show premiering on hrn at

9:00 p.m. on september 29th. joy did not hold back with me today when i asked her what she thought about the gosselins becoming a laughing stock. let's look at joy. >> i think they have all these kids they have to now support. they'll do whae they have to do to make money. i can't fault them for that. she needs to make money now to support those children. >> again, kate is trying to get her own tack show. jon has been dabbling with the fashion lean. maybe even getting his own reality show. lisa, are you with joy? hay, the gosselins don't care what people think of them as long as people are talking about them. they're making money for themselves and the kids. >> i think that's absolutely the case. i mean, look, i think that's what being in pop culture is about these days. i hi for a lot of people you just realize that there's -- you know, we've been saying this for a while, but there's not -- really no such thing as bad publicity. unless you really murder somebody or do something so heinous, there really isn't anything as bad publicity. >> thanks, gee. i appreciate it. >> okay. so what is with jon goss len's

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we've learned that britney spears' ex-husband is doing what any upstanding young dad would do after a weight gain. he is joining a reality show "celebrity fit club," of course. good move or train wreck waiting to happen? right now from new york meagan alexander, a correspondent for inside edition. also in new york susan, a senior editor for star making sfleen. we must begin with the burning question that was raised today. why do women everywhere fiend jon gosselin sexy? what is his secret that drives the women mad? lots of women are coming out of the wood work claiming they agree too. please, explain it on me. is jon gosselin sexy? >> we all know it's certainly not his six-pack, but women tend to find him sexy because he is a smooth talker. he goes in and tells the women that he has been with that they'll be with hem forever, that they're -- he is absolutely going to love them forever, and they believe it.

>> this is what some of the women who claim he has wooed them are saying that he is slick when he wants to be, and he is a real fast mover. in fact, former star magazine writer kate major told show biz tonight in an exclusive interview that she lost her heated with jon and she told me just how she got swept away the first time they met. let's watch this piece. >> i just thought it was a little bet fast how he invite me to dinner and invited me to the party and then we held hands and kissed in the car, and this was all -- that was on the fest fight? >> yeah. >> you kissed on the first night? >> unfortunately, yes. >> fast mover, indeed. meagan, i bot to ask you, from what we're hearing with jon gosselin, do you get how women everywhere can be totally and ultimaterly atracked this dude? zi think, a.j., some of these women are still in love with the original jon gosselin that america fell in love with, the guy this was a good father, you know, loved his eight kids. that image is target to peel away, though. he does carry the sympathy vote still pretty well, but these women kirnl that have dated him,

i think sheer not so much in love with jon goss ling, but the attention dating jon goss len brings them. skroo a lot of people are talking about this. in fact, our "showbiz tonight" facebook page was in full debate mode. you know what i mean if you checked it out today. women were firing off comments on our wall left and right. nobody could agree on one simple question, is jon gosselin sexy? let me read some of what people are writing. sherry h. says. he does really have pretty asian eyes, and he likes kids and dogs. he has some money, and he was off limits for a while, so what's not to like? susan f agrees. she says he is way fun, and because he was treated so wrongly by that b, it makes me want to love on him and show him how it can really be. then we have the other side. with the haters checking in. we have lisa l writing, he doesn't appeal to me. short doshgs flashing money just don't do it. jill issa ann says i don't think he is good looking, and who wants to date a guy with eight kids?

susan, have any of those comments swayed you to the other side of how may feel? >> absolutely not. i mean, jon is still the guy who manages to have all of these eight kids run around, have his life, you know, have his little bachl lore ways on the side, have these girls. i am just astounded that women still find him sexy. it's amazing. >> you didn't come in here exactly gushing about her ear anything. let's move on to the other big divorce dad news. kevin federline wants to lose weight. the ex-husband of britney spears has been the butt of a lot of jokes lately because of, well, a big weight gain. today we learn approximated k-fed is going to join vh1 celebrity fit club so he can get back down to his dancing body. megaan, what do you think? is this a good idea for k-fed or a train wreck waiting to happen? sdmri think it's a complete train wreck. i don't doubt it for one minute that he is purposefully packed on those pounds to get a show. this is the same guy that tried to be a rapper, tried to launch a career as an actor.

he has been riding britney spears' coattails as much as he could. i think the only way that show will be remotely interesting is if britney spears shows up, and you know they've thought of that. sdhoo they are going to try to make it more interesting. k-fed's former girlfriend char jackson, the mother of two of his kids, she will joan the show as well. susan, is it too sen cal to suggest what meagan had brought up, that perhaps kevin put on all this weight so he could get offered a job like this. >> yeah. he hasn't really been working out either. i think he actually put this weight on because all he does is go to clubs, get paid to show up, and parties nonstop. he is drinking, eating, and he is loving it, and i think that being on the show is going to be the best thing that could happen to his career. >> well, good luck to you, k-fed. i know there's a lot of pressure to stay thin and maybe this show will add it that pressure for you. meagan alec ander, susan, thank you, guys. making news reason. kristina aguilera is opening up about being abused by her father. this is really some, so heart

wrenching. there's a new tv documentary out, and aguilera claims that her army sergeant dad not only hit her, but abused her mom and sister as well. here's what she tells e. i witnessed a lot of unpleasant things, a lot of pushing and shoving and fighting and quarrelling. growing up i did not feel safe. feeling powerless is the worst feeling in the world. i turned to singing as an outlet. the pane at home is where my love for music came from. ag layer why's mom even describes one particularly shocking and horrific incident where she found a 4-year-old christina with a bloody nose. here's what she says. i scooped her up and said, oh, my god, what's wrong? she told me daddy wanted to take a nap, and i made too much noise. christine why's dad has asked for forgiveness, but she doesn't want him in her life. zeemplgt all right. moving on. caught on tape. reporters confronted on live tv. >> we're on live with msnbc. please don't touch the mike rope phone. sfoo tell what is your thought is. >> my thought is that you are

rude. >> wait until you see this wrush know how anoticing it is when people just gab, gak, gab away in a movie theater, right? how about when a reporter is talking during a political event. everybody wants hem talking during a political event. everyone wants him to be quiet. people get really annoyed. it's all on live tv. you have got to see these outbursts for yourself. this is "showbiz tonight" this weekend on hln. time for the showbiz news ticker. more stories from the "showbiz tonight" newsroom making news right now.

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