startling new developments in the case against casey anthony more than 1,000 pages of documents just released today and here's what our staff found a chilling discovery, fbi correspondence reveals a photograph of a stained area in the back of casey's trunk, apparently showing the outline of a child's body laying in a fetal position. international child abduction drama unfolding right now an american behind bars in japan trying to get his own kids back from his ex/wife. she defied the law, took off with their kids but in japan, she is considered the victim. as always we take your phone calls, love hearing from you. the number 1-877-tell-hln.

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pam b odbondi and mike brooks a natisha lance. what for senensics do you need prove? >> dna, blood or -- first of all this wan was an outline apparently the orange county crime scene folks had taken a picture of and it was a correspondence an e-mail between an analyst, fbi analyst who was assigned to orlando resident agency of the fbi, their field office there. to the lab. basically saying, we think this is significant. then, a couple days later from a supervisor there at the engineering section that was asking him to possibly enhance this picture basically said, wait a minute, this is too speculative. let's not draw conclusions. we'll let other people draw conclusions because you can't say, oh, you know, this is

significant without scientific backing. >> okay. letisha, we have other scientific backing don't we, we have hair from someone in the anthony family. from a decomposing body. connect the dots it is her here. >> that's right. keep in mind recently when the reports were released from leonard padilla and his team -- when that report came out about the hair in the trunk of the care casey anthony said, well, i'm not dead even more evidence pointing this could be caylee anthony whose hair cause found in the trunk of the car. >> pam, the outline of a child in the trunk of that car, it would seem to be a boon for the prosecution. help us out here. >> very, very, very compelling, of course, especially a jury will be shown all these photographs. now, they may have to come to their own conclusions, each junior, as to what they believe

that outline shows. and, as mike said, a supervisor said this is speculative. so, i imagine there are going to be plenty of pretile motions on that issue as to how much the prosecutors can argue. but, jurors are going to see that photo. so they are going to make that determination. the hair, of course, little casey's hair -- little caylee's hair, excuse me, is very compelling because they are saying it's consistent with a decomposing body. >> right. >> remember we talked about that hair with the death band on it. you put all this together and i think this is the -- pretty damning evidence. >> it should would seem so. let's get a call in. diane, go ahead. >> caller: i've been fascinated by in case from the beginning. it seems to me there is so much overwhelming evidence against her, i don't understand, you know, to avoid a trial and the pain it will cause everybody, why doesn't she just -- why don't they offer, maybe they don't want to, offer her a plea and just get it over with? >> well, a lot of people see

that but there are other folks, let me get teresa in on facebook saying i'm still waiting to see evidence that will actually convict her. pam bondi, do we have enough at this point that says casey did it or not? >> well, you know, no prosecutor's going to say any case is a slam dunk but i believe there is substantial evidence. this is a circumstantial case. this case has been building and building and building against her. and there is no other legitimate suspect out there. other than the mother of this beautiful little girl. so, yes, i think there's compelling evidence. now, often plea negotiations go on behind the scenes, prosecutors ethically can't talk about them. we don't know if that's going on in this case. >> right. >> i doubt she wants to enter a plea to anything knowing her personality. >> exactly. we've had no word that that's in the works they are going to -- >> no, not at all. >> -- are going to fight this out. back to you, what was found in

the trunk, outline of a child's body, decomposing hair but no blood, right? >> that's right there. was some type of liquid found in the trunk of the car. we have reports of the closer form found in the trunk of the car and also many ool results from quantico as well as the -- that there was decompensation in the trunk of the car. >> if not blood, mike, what causes the stain in that car? >> other body fluids, you know, we're not hearing if it there was any result of any dna from any other body fluids. you know, that's what mainly would cause the decompensation and, you know, the fluids from a decomposition and postmortem lividt, gravity pulls it down through the body to the trunk liner of the car. >> we know the body was in the car long enough -- sad to say -- the smell, the smell clearly her little body was decomposing. >> we have grandmother herself, cindy anthony when she made the 911 calls says she smelled

death, it smells like a dead body. let's take a break. when we come back, more of your phone calls. 1-877-tell-hln is the number. we'll talk about key evidence that was destroyed. we'll tell you what it was and how it could happen. stay with us.

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number one we talked a lot about it, the outline of a child in the trunk of casey anthony's car. huge for the prosecution. but we're also dealing with something that goes against the prosecution, key evidence destroyed. natisha, what happened? >> two things here, mike, that how this duct tape wrapped around caylee anthony's mouth was destroyed. one of the reasons, okay remember the heart-shaped sticker, the adhesive around -- some adhesive was on there, that adhesive that showed there was a sticker there is now gone. apparently they dusted for fingerprints, in that process, somehow that evidence was erased. they apparently did not take a picture of this, at least the fbi did not. we have not seen whether the orange county sheriff's office took any photographs of that piece of evidence. we have yet to determine that. so, that's one way. then, the other way there was apparently another analyst or technician who was there handling that duct tape somehow her dna got onto that piece of

duct tape. >> wow. okay. >> yeah. >> that's startling to me. let's get a call in i think dealing with this very topic. >> i can explain how that might have happened, mike be. >> let's get our caller in. katherine, go ahead. >> caller: i was concerned a little bit about the fbi messing up the way they did, with the duct tape. i don't know how that could happen but the one comment that i really had wanted to bring up a little bit off the wall is why not is anybody looking at cindy because everything belongs to cindy. i think that cindy is the nanny. i think that cindy is the one that gave her the instructions and i think if casey opens her mouth she will implicate her mother. because she changed her story way too many times. >> catherine, thanks for the call. mike, back to the tape. catherine asked the question. how does this happen? >> i ask myself the same thing. as evidence comes into quantico, the lab there, it goes to ecu, evidence control units and they take the evidence and does,

okay, will we send it to latent prints first, trace evidence, or somewhere else? what may have happened, this is just from being down there, knowing the lab myself. what they probably did, they took the duct tape and sent it to latent prints. noi, some of the chemicals used to bring up fingerprints on duct tape and other things could have done away and could have erased, if you will, the adhesive on the back of the duct tape. is it a big deal? well, of course, the dvts attorneys they are going to jump all over. this on the dna -- on the duct tape, we don't know what kind of dna it was. most likely, here's what i'm thinking because i can guarantee you that this lab technician at quantico did not handle that piece of tape or any other evidence without gloves on, without some kind of mask. what kind of dna? we know it wasn't cindy's, casey's or caylee's but it was a female and they found out it was this tech. could it be a fleck of skin that

fell onto the duck tape as the technician was working with it? that's what i'm thinking, could it have been an eyelash something like that? probably. >> goch you. regardless, pam, this hurts. this seems key evidence the jury may not see now, right? >> well, and, mike, i tell you we have seen this before. believe it or not this is not uncommon, you have humans working on these cases. they are investigators and no one is perfect and mike is absolutely correct when you handle -- when you test something, do you it in had a certain order. they went through and tested it for fingerprints first. that, most likely, destroyed the residue that was left on there. we know that heart sticker was thereon. so, because they didn't take one photograph of it before the residue was destroyed doesn't rule out the fact that that sticker was there. that doesn't bother me at all. and they've also done elimination dna on all the workers in the lab to show whose dna it was so there's not some unknown suspect out there. >> this is from casey's

childhoold friend. had not to this quote, talking about just a history of dealing with stickers and the duct tape and how it all might fit. here's what she says, we put the hamster, talking about they buried their dead animals like this, we put the hamster in a plastic ziploc bag and put that inside a paper bag. on the paper bag we drew five or six hearts, signs of love. it's just too much coincidence, the place, the heart, the bag, it all a talking about that spot where caylee's he remains were found was a childhood pet cemetery right. >> you are absolutely right. keep in mind, too, that residue found on the duct tape was enough for investigators to go back to the anthony home to get a warrant to take out of the home a sicker sheet. so, there was obviously some residue that was there. it might come down to somebody going into the courtroom and having to testify as to what they saw but, unfortunately, they just don't have that evidence now. >> pam, about 15 seconds. the heart-shaped sticker, residue still might come into

play. >> absolutely. absolutely. friend's testimony is compelling. >> thanks so much, pam, mike, natisha, we appreciate it. coming up. this is unfire yachting a high school teacher arrested on porn charges, fired another school three years ago accused of improper conduct with a minor. how does that happen? you get in trouble three years ago and wind up at another school? what is -- can't we do a better job of protecting our kids? call in 1-877-tell-hln.

help me out here a. high school teacher arrested on child porn charges. here he is alphonso padilla, 36 years old. police say he had a 50 porn images of kids under the age of 13 on his computer. he was a computer teacher at coolidge high in arizona. get this. police say he admitted he was busted three years ago working at another school.

his alleged defense? inappropriate conduct with a minor through the use of a computer. at least now he's behind bars. call in if you'd like on this one. 1-877-tell-hln. joining me it talk about sheriff joe opiaolla. also with us -- sheriff, i think a lot of people say how does this happen? how does he get booted from one school and end up with another school and the new school had no idea what was going on? >> well, you know, that's a good question, cements like a lack of communication. this isn't the first time. you know, i do have a high school in the jails but we put our teachers when we hire them through polygraph, lengthy background checks. we ought to do that for every teacher that's hired initially and transfer into another school. and so, there is a problem. but, our teachers are our heroes but sometimes you get a bad apple in any profession. >> you're right.

sheriff any specifics what happened? starting at higley high where he was fired three years ago. >> he admitted an inappropriate conduct with a minor utilizing computers. and then he was terminated and then hired three years later at another high school in coolidge and then had problems with his home computer going through a domestic problem and it was discovered that he had 50 images of children under 13 years of age -- >> wow. >> -- in different sexual positions. >> wow. so, how did you get to look at his home computer? how did this go down? >> rather complicated. i don't want to go into all the details. >> okay. >> let me just say through a domestic situation, that computer was turned over to my deputy sheriffs. >> okay. the sheriff already touched on it a lack of a uniform background check. don, i'll ask you basically the same question. how does it happen? >> first of all i'm a fan, i

wish the sheriff were involved with something like this, this wouldn't happen. mike, what happens is -- i read a study in preparation to talk with you today -- that even says, i this for a fact in education systems there is even a phrase passing the trash. in other words if a guy like this will leave a school district, be terminated, sign off, the deal sort of is we're not going to report this or push too hard to report it even technically they might report something of this nature. what we need again is principals and boards of education to follow through and get to the bottom line what happened to this guy ultimately rather than passing it off and letting the next district -- sometimes it takes five or six school districts before the jackpot hits and they do something where they get stopped. >> when we hire our teachers, you don't think coolidge high that made a phone call and said, hey, higley, what's the deal with this guy? >> they may have done that, mike. i'm not sure if they did. but what i'm saying is, it's

more than just that and then dropping it on some state bureaucrat. i think you have -- we are talking here about pedophilia or child porn. >> exactly. >> i think you have to follow up on this and get an answer. if you don't like the answer or think this has been documented or done, i think you have -- the other thing, too, i don't think you just terminate the teacher. i think you have to go after them in this and really press. >> a quick break. more on this coming up. we got to red-flag the guy so everybody knows what they're dealing with if they are thinking of hiring him. more on that. we'll take your calls. 1-877-tell-hln is the number. the minutes kicking down a few hours, the bill debut of our newest show on hln "the joy behar show" bringing her unique take to stories, issues grabbing your attention. check it out right here at 9:00 eastern on hln.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. i can't imagine the helpless, hopeless feeling of a dad behind bars right now and all he wants are his two little kids. here's the story. he divorced his first wife, japanese native, they have two kids today. his exagreed to live in tennessee to be close to the children and take them to japan on summer vacations. this past summer, ts kids didn't return. last month they didn't show up for the first day of class. so dad went to court and got full cuss deef the kids. so an arrest warrant is out for mom. yesterday dad took matters into his hands and flew to japan while his ex-wife walked the two kids to school he drove alongside them, grabbed the

kids, forced them in the car and drove off. police arrested him and put him in jail. he is violating the law in japan and she in the u.s., caught in the middle a poor 6-year-old and 8-year-old. we'll take your calls, as always 1-877-tell-hln. joining us to talk about it vehicle' -- vickie ziegler. jeremy, help us understand what was christopher's plan in going to japan? >> i don't know what his plan was, he wanted to see the kids and the kids were stolen from him in if lute direct violation of american law but unfortunately taken to japan not a maem ber of the hague convention the treaty which returns abducted children. japan has never -- never, ever once ordered the return of an abducted child and chris wefnt by himself to see his kids and try and get access to them. >> what charges are you facing there, jeremy?

>> he's being accused of kidnapping his own children and he's sitting in jail now and we're trying to get him -- we're trying to get him out of there but it's a tough battle. >> i can't imagine this nightmare. what options does he have, what moves he can make here? >> is a nightmare almost like deja vu, the goldman case we talked about in many instances. number one it is fight, get the best attorney out there. seems he has a great attorney here but at the end of the day has to understand the battle he's up against and really knowing japanese law. he's got a major problem, appealing to the politicians, trying to make change because, as the attorney said in, japan never one case reported that the supreme court or even lower courts have enforced a custody dispute when one parent, a non-foreign, somebody that doesn't live in japan gets custody. he has a major problem. we never want to give up hope but a major, major battle on his hands for his childrening a his

freedom. >> the view of custody is different in japan, the huge obstacle, right. >> totally different. the idea of parents sharing custody of their kids is foreign to their society. in their society one parent or the other usually the mother gets the kids and dad may very, very occasionally see them but the idea of two parents both being involved in the life of their children is completely alien to their way of life. and i'm educating the criminal lawyer that we have selected for chris right now in this peculiar thing called american law where both mom and dad are allowed to be parents to their own kids that's a different system they have over there. >> you know. >> this is why so many kids have been abducted to japan. this is one terrible, terrible case. this is the tip of the iceberg. >> yeah. you know, we look at this. from what we gathered doing research, not a surprise the mom here had flettened to do this before. i want to listen to chris savoie

before he went to japan talking about past threats. let's listen. >> it was a direct question. do you intend to live here? do you want to live here in tennessee? and her answer was, it was deflected. it was, i remember she said, um, i think that the kids will be happy if i'm happy. she couldn't answer yes or no. >> okay. so, the threat is there. vickie, obviously we look at this, okay, if the threat was there, how was she still allowed to take the kids to japan for summer vacations? >> we don't know if the passports were returned or asked to be held in the court system. we do that routinely when we believe a litigant may flee with the children. very difficult how did she get out of the country? you usually need two parents' signatures on a document to actually leave the country. so a lot of questions unanswered. i think people looking at, you know, this show saying this could happen to me, you know, filing a police report, perhaps saying there is a risk, going to the authorities and getting the court orders. i mean, unfortunately, japan

does not adhere or recognize u.s. court orders and that's a real unfortunate part of this whole entire case. >> tiffany is with us from florida. your thoughts here? >> caller: hi. how are you doing? >> good. >> caller: you know, i think it's actually kind of crazy, you know, i'm a mother and women just have so much power and i know that is like already determined that we're the biological parent, at least one of us but i think it is just absurd she could just leave the country and, you know, just leave her children. look at all the missing kids that are out there. we have so many young kids and -- and i just -- i don't think it's fair she should be able to go over there. >> no. tiffany, thanks for the call. jeremy, we were showing the timeline there that mom makes this threat but a judge intervened basically and help us out here to understand this. and the incentive for her to stay and not go to japan was,

what, losing a money, child support and an education fund, is that right. >> well, she might lose that but, yeah, she was allowed to go there for a visit. she went. she was originally went to japan for a visit. i begged the court through an affidavit they prepared as an expert on this topic that i said if the child -- if the kids are taken there, they will never come back. they actually did come back if a week but there was no additional court order. now, what she did, what the mother did, she secretly sold the car, she packed up the belongings and while dad had the kids for a week vacation was secretly making the arrangements. as soon as she got the kids after a week she took off and went back to japan and they've been there since. too late, the court in tennessee said, oh, well, now that the kids are -- have been abducted, we'll do something about it and they ordered her to return and they gave sole custody to dad but it was too late. >> you saw it coming. >> they don't take these things seriously enough. >> you saw it coming, jeremy.

a quick break. we'll hear are more from the father who is heartbraen, and, at this point in jail. we'll take your calls at 1-877-tell-hln.

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welcomes her at 9:00 eastern on hln. a father is heartbroken, christopher savoie, his kids taken to japan by his ex-wife. he had full custody in the states n. japan, he is in trouble. he is behind bars because he tried to get his kids back. let's listen to this heartbroken dad as he just wants the simple things again, playing some catch with his son. >> -- on the ball field again. the one thing you can't ever get back, you know, they could give me money, they could give me anything but they can't take back time and next week, i won't be playing ball with him, i won't be playing catch with him. just won't. that week will never happen again. >> he is so right. money can't buy that time back. we have our experts standing by, jury me morley, the attorney -- jury me, let's talk about

options here. many people wonder can the u.s. government get involved, diplomacy, is that in the cards here for us or not. >> it will help. and we're asking the government to do whatever they can. but, it's a long shot and the government has been trying to get japan to sign the convention and to return abducted kids for years and years and years. the pressure has gone higher in the last few years, especially the last year when the number of abductions i think has been increasing and not only the united states but canada has been involved, england has been involved, australia's been involved. we're trying to get really an international group getting to really get japan to change their law. but, i think they have to change their attitudes towards parenting. what we can do in the short term we have a state arrest warrant and expect a federal arrest warrant if she leaves the country, i think intelpol will pick her up at any international airport but may do what a lot of the japanese women do when they take the kids back to what they call home, is she may just stay

there for the rest of her life. and the -- and the dad may never see the kids again. >> how are the kids doing? any word. >> we don't have word because there is no system for he owe there's no effective family law system that actually functions there. the kids are with -- with the mother and grandparents, as far as we know but dad is completely cut off. so, it's terrible. >> yeah. another call, shannon with us from north carolina. hi, shannon, your thoughts? >> caller: how are you doing? yeah, i think the father trusted the mother too much. the same thing happened to me and i had to get custody of my son and i just he hope he gets his children back. i think that he just trusted the mother and thought she would bring them back. >> yeah. i mean, jeremy, let's get back to that. chris was suspicious, right? i mean, you said you saw it coming. you went to court and said with these visits to japan have to stop because she has made the threat, right.

>> a lot of judges don't realize how serious it is. they think japan is a very advanced country, which it is and i love japan. i have enormous amounts of dealings with japan but in this respect, they're, you , 1 hungz yea 00 years old and judges don't appreciate the danger. in addition, we don't have any exit controls in this country. you know, you can leave this country without any -- without any policemen checking your papers, with nobody looking at your papers except for the airlines? and all the airlines care about do you have the papers that will allow you to go with your children into the other country? >> okay. >> so, we're pushing that we should be checking people when not only when they come in here but we should be checking people when they leave so we can stop this. >> makes sense. jeremy thanks again. vickie, always appreciate you on the show, as well. coming up, i've got to wonder how people so vehemently are defending director roman polanski, pleading guilty to charges he had sex with

a -year-old, drugged her, had sex with her and ran from the law 30 years. people are lining up to stick up a child moester? i don't care if he is an artist or not. justice still has to be served.

welcome back. i can't get over the amount of people lining up to vehemently support roman polanski, politicians, people in hollywood. he had sex with a 13-year-old in 1977, faces charges of drugging her, raping her but reached a deal to keep him out of prison. he pleaded, guilty, again to having unlawful sex with a mine sdorp. on the day of his sentencing, he takes off to france. he was arrested by american and swiss authorities over the weekend. his attorney says he will fight extradition to the u.s. and filed a motion to have him

released. here he is talking about his lust for young women in the hbo documentary "roman polanski, wanted and desired" take a listen. >> i like young women, let's put it this way. i think most of men do, actually. >> yeah, but the question -- the question -- >> well, yes. if you come to a concrete, um, case for which i have been behind bars and that's what you want to talk about. but what exactly would you like me to tell you? >> we'll take your calls, as always at 1-877-tell-hln. welcome back lisa bloom lal analyst for our sister network cnm. lisa, just listening to that old interview, he's almost justifying his actions, has he ever showed remorse ever said i'm sorry for what he did? >> mike, i have looked at this case very closely over the last

three days. i've done little else. i have not found one iota of evidence he has shown any remorse. to the contrary in the clip he just showed he smirks about liking younger women. what he did do right after he fled? he went to europe and had a romantic relationship with 15-year-old nastasia kinsky. what he did he do that irritated the judge in this case when he was allowed to go to europe, his photograph in a german beer hall surrounded by young women maybe underage girl that annoyed the judge. what was the sentence he might have gotten, maybe a slightly harder slap on the wrist of the 42 days he already had gotten of the give me a break. i agree complete there will are too many justifications for his behavior, celebrities are lining up to support him. i guess we shouldn't be surpriseded rich and powerful never think the law applies to them or their friends but thank goodness the rest of us understand differently. >> let's get it clear on that

plea bargain because you are shedding a light. polanski said, what, he would get 50 years. >> that's ridiculous. >> you are saying 90 days tops. if you ask me that's not enough for what he did to a 13-year-old. >> thank you. look, the law back in 1978 for the one crime he pleaded guilty to, this judge, in my view, gave him a sweet deal because five of the felony charges were dismissed. he got to plead guilty to the lowest felony charge. the judge was going to sentence, by all accounts, to 90 days. he already served 42 and would have gotten an additional 48 days. potentially. he might have gotten a little bit more time because the judge was indicating he was unhappy with that beer hall photo, okay. ultimately, he probably would have gotten a couple of months but we can never know why? because roman polanski chose to it flee. all of the allegations of judicial misconduct are merely potential. they never came to pass because of his choice to flee. >> okay. let me ask russell. lisa made a great point.

i ron der myself why the big names in hollywood why do they line up behind this guy especially when we lay out what happened to him -- or what de. >> i think they are lining up behind him because he's one of their own. we see it happen a lot. there's a big story about judicial misconduct. if you watch the documentry, there's a lot of potential issues from the judge holding a press conference to a asking a reporter what to do in sentencing. if you think they were abused, it makes sense to argue on their behalf. >> do you see it here? >> i do not. it's total defense spin made by his hollywood friends. they blame the 13-year-old girl for the sexual misconduct. please. the judge consulted other people about the sentence. the bottom line, legally, is the misconduct never happened because he never sentenced him

because roman fled on the eve of sentencing. if he imposed it, he could argue the misconduct. it was only potential. if he got a couple months or years, would we be crying crocodile tears for this man who drugged, raped and sodomized a 13-year-old girl. are we supposed to feel sorry for him? >> justice will be served. >> i'm not sure it was just potential. if you watch the film, holding a press conference, talking to reporters and asking for lawyers to trust him, there could be deals after the fact. there's more than potential misconduct here. >> let's take a quick break. call in, 877-tell-hln. are you infuriated hollywood is lining up behind this guy? y8ee

s startling new developments in the case against casey anthony. with the 1, 000 pages of documents released, a chilling discovery. fbi reveal a photograph of a stained area in the back of casey's car in the trunk, apparently showing the outline of a child's body in the fetal position. abduction drama unfolding now. an american behind bars in japan for trying to get his kids back. in japan, she's considered the victim. he's the villain. we'll sort it all out for you.

again, thanks for being with us. call in, 877-tell-hln is st number. text us at hln tv. it's your chance to be heard. controversy, opinions, your point of view. this is prime news. >> in is hour two of prime news. we begin with breaking developments of in casey anthony. a large stain that resembles the outline of the sill wet of a child. a child, possibly lying in a fetal position. a 2-year-old should be curled up in a blanket in that position, not dead in a trunk. crucial evidence against casey. the heart shaped residue of the sticker found, it was destroyed before the fbi took a photo of it. how does that happen?

joining us to talk about it, pam bomdi is with us. anita kay and law enforcement analyst, mike brooks. pam, outline of a child's body in the back -- in the trunk of the car. how big is that for the prosecution? >> it's compelling evidence. the juror have to determine for themselves. they get to determine for themselves if it's the outline of a child's body. given the circumstantial evidence, they have to draw the conclusion. if that's what it shows, it doesn't get worse than that for the defense. >> we have the outline of a child's body, we have hair from one of the anthony's and hair from a decomposing body. we know, the only decomposing body was that of caylee.

what more do we needs? >> i've always said, there's evidence we haven't heard yet, now it's come iing to light. is this outline of the body? is there more evidence we haven't heard. we have the chloroform we haven't heard. we had that wung analyst with the fbi, orlando, the resident agency saying, okay, we have the outline of the body, but a supervisor saying basically, let's not go judge our own -- rush to our own conclusions. let others do that. they said it's speculative. the more that comes out, the more damaging it is for the defense. >> i want to read a facebook comment. i am still wait iing to see evidence that will convict her. she's not impressed. anita, as criminal defense attorney, how are you fighting

this? >> well, as we have heard, we haven't seen the photos, but it's speculative. that is one person's impression, maybe, when they saw that or a couple people. the jurors are 12 people. what are they going to think? could it be something else? is it possible. they will get their own experts to say speculation. this is not what the prosecution is saying it is. or, they may try, exclude it all together. it's too speculative or too prejudicial. there are all sorts of things. when we haven't seen the photos ourselves it's hard to make speculation. >> debby is with us in massachusetts. comment, question here? >> caller: i just wanted to say, what a beautiful child caylee is. i've been following this case for a long time now. with all this evidence, how could it not be casey, the

mother? when will the case go to court? is there any way that this child drowned in the pool? >> a lot of questions there. debbie, thank you for bringing us back. what a beautiful little girl. at the end of the day, she's dead and her mom is charged with the murder. it's a tragedy that's unfolded. let's go back to pam with a couple of the questions the caller had. when? we're still a year away, you think? >> at least. the defense, they are going to get as many continuances they want. here is why. it's such an important case. you don't want to try it twice as a prosecutor, anita will tell you that as a defense attorney. they have a lot of work to do and experts to hire if she's convicted. it goes into the penalty phase.

it's life or death for casey anthony. they are getting all the time in the world. they cant object. they don't want to try the case twice. >> mike, her theory was caylee drown in a pool. have you seen a theory saying this is it. that is what happened to the little girl. >> that is one of the theorys. early on in the case, back by the playhouse near the pool, one of the canine dogs hit on an area near the pool, near the playhouse. it was a speculation. remember the ladder by the pool was moved? i don't think so. it's one of these things, we don't know what happened. there's still one person that knows what happened. she's in jail and she is not told the truth since day one. >> that was your line from day one. that's what's played out at least so far. >> one thing, i'll go to pam on

this. yes, we have the outline, the silhouette of a young child. does it hurt the prosecution? >> no. there's no indication she stabbed, shot or did anything like that. if anything, used chloroform. could have broken her neck. the possibility of drowning. no, it's not unusual there's no blood in the trunk of the car. >> 877-tell-hln is the number. we're going to talk about key evidence that was destroyed. i know your question. how does it happen? we'll lay that out for you and how it could hurt the prosecution's case.