get in touch with your new cfo. pnc. leading the way. breaking news tonight. satsuma, florida. a 5-year-old little girl tucked into bed. five hours later she's gone. vanished. the back door propped wide open. daddy comes home from the night shift to find not a trace of little haleigh. the last person to see the 5-year-old alive that night, new stepmother misty croslin. bombshell tonight. croslin skips town after a bitter fight with haleigh's father, ronald cummings. tonight, police locate croslin. as we go to air, we learn she

refuses to talk to police, who want her requestioned about haleigh's disappearance. police surveillance on croslin. they say she won't give straight answers or account for crucial hours surrounding the alleged kidn kidnap. in the last hours croslin's mother in a tennessee courtroom on felony forgery out of florida. bond? once a whopping $100,000. now no bond until florida cops take her home. she already publicly states croslin hasn't come clean about the night haleigh vanishes. what else will she tell police now that she's behind bars? croslin's brother confesses in his own jailhouse interrogation, he goes to haleigh's house the night she goes missing, pounds on the door, nobody home. in another development a woman caught on grainy surveillance

video delivers a detailed tip as to haleigh's location. police investigate, and we have the video. where, where was new stepmother misty croslin during those crucial hours when haleigh goes missing? and tonight, where is haleigh? >> if i find whoever has my daughter before y'all do, i'm killing them. i don't care. i'll spend the rest of my life in prison. i'm telling you. you can put it on recording. i don't care. >> days of speculation have ended. haleigh cummings' stepmom, misty croslin, has been found. why did she go away, and what does she know? >> we've been told that she was on a foray to one of the amusement parks. i can confirm she was at universal studios with a friend and she was seen wearing a haleigh pendant around her neck. >> police say they know where to find misty but misty doesn't want to speak with police. >> if people think that i had something to do with it, if i had something to do with it, i knew where she was, we wouldn't be sitting here today.

we would have her. >> a tip letter surfaces that gives specific directions to an alleged burial site where haleigh's body can be found. just a few hundred yards from haleigh's home. a garbage bag in a well. >> we're told the letter isn't very long, just a paragraph or so, that ends with someone's initials. but more than seven months after haleigh disappeared it could finally contain information to help crack the case. >> you never know when the one's going to come in that'll make the case, and this could be it. >> misty's mother, lisa croslin, may be questioned yet again by authorities. why? and where is the investigation headed in the desperate attempt to find out what exactly happened to little haleigh? >> i have faith in god to take care of my baby girl and find her. and i don't care who had something to do with it. those are the people who need to be put away. and tonight, live to nashville in the search for a four-day-old baby boy snatched

by a woman posing as immigration. mommy answers the front door, to be stabbed repeatedly. tonight, mommy makes a desperate plea from the hospital to find her tiny boy. >> i heard a loud beating at the door. "please help me." >> federal agents and nashville police are searching for this missing newborn from tennessee. four-day-old yajir anthon yajir anthony tarillo is reportedly ripped from his mother's arms -- >> she's covered with blood from her head to her toes. >> she said a woman showed up at her house posing as an immigration agent. the woman demanded her baby and stabbed her when she refused to hand him over. >> when miss garrillo said who are you, a struggle ensued. she was stabbed several times. >> she been slashed across the throat. >> perhaps this individual was obsessed with children. perhaps this individual had claimed to be pregnant for a long period of time but never

was pregnant. this person has to have friends or family who know some peculiarity about them. also, after 30 years hiding out in luxury in europe, a hollywood superstar finally behind bars. 30 years ago he admits to raping a 13-year-old little girl at the home of movie star jack nicholson. that little girl testified under oath he also forced anal sodomy on her. she was just 13. tonight, hollywood superstars coming out of the woodwork for polanski's release. they're, quote, shocked. they're shocked. well, they're not shocked he raped and sodomized a 13-year-old little girl, a girl he got drunk on champagne and quay loou qualudes. no.

they're shocked he's arrested. shame on hollywood. tonight, plansky behind bars. lady justice comes through, thank heaven, better late than never. there is a disturbing yet growing defense of roman polanski in this country. and it's coming from hollywood. a look at the list of high-profile people who are defending this superstar director. martin scorsese, woody allen, debra winger. >> we hope today this latest order will be dropped. it is based on a three-decade-old case that is all but dead except for a minor technicality. >> this is for me a shock, and i'm ashamed to be swiss, that swiss is doing such a thing to a brilliant, fantastic genius. >> evidence shows that he got a little girl drunk, he gave a little girl drugs, he sodomized a little girl. >> he wanted to take some

pictures in the hot tub. i was in there topless. then he got in the hot tub. that progressed to, you know, eventually why don't you come in here and lay down? in a very dark room. and that's when i really realized what his intentions were. >> she was 13. he was 43. he gave her sham sxain a quay looud. she says no. he tell went ahead and had unlawful sex with her many different ways. >> despite that polanski continues to receive support from hollywood. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. new stepmother misty croslin skips town after a bitter fight with haleigh's father, ronald cummings. tonight, police track her down. >> i'm just trying to do everything to find her. you know, answer any questions i have to. because i know i didn't do anything to that little girl. i would never hurt her. >> cops say they're keeping a close watch on the last person to see haleigh alive.

misty croslin. but misty has a lawyer and doesn't want to speak with police. >> i've thought all along that she had something to do with it. and now this kind of just proves it. i mean, she's the last one to see our daughter, and her stories just don't add up. >> misty croslin left haleigh's dad, ronald cummings, for days. where did she go, and why did she just come back? >> she was a 16-year-old child whose job was to look after somebody else's two young children. and i can only imagine that this girl would want to get out and have some fun of some kind. >> this as authorities plan to question misty's mom, lisa croslin, with regard to haleigh's disappearance. as early as this week. but why? >> this mother, remember, came out against misty and said that she believed that her son was telling the truth and that misty was not. maybe they want to put her in jail so they can ask tough questions about why she came to such a conclusion. >> it's one paragraph long,

typed, and has three letters at the bottom that resemble initials. >> if the information is accurate it's going to be pretty volatile. >> they're trying to get all the answers from me that i don't have. >> straight out to t.j. hart, program and news director wsky, 97.3. t.j., thank you for being with us. t.j. how long was she actually gone? >> for the better part of a week, about six to eight days off and on. but she'd been in contact with her family and she's been accounted for. >> and t.j., why is she still refusing to talk to cops? they have told her they want to requestion her about the night haleigh goes missing. >> she has a standing invitation according to major bolling and others at the putnam county sheriff's office to come in anytime she wishes, come in and straighten out that timeline.

her attorney has not made an offer to bring her in for questioning. and she has not gone in since she came in the last time for questioning for a week. >> we are taking your calls. lakisha. >> caller: hi, nancy. i watch you every night. >> thank you. and thank you for calling in. what's your question, dealer? >> caller: you're welcome, sweetheart. i was just wondering where is mist y cummings tonight and has she been in touch with ronald since she's been gone all this time? >> marlaina schiavo, what about it? >> misty is in the satsuma area. tonight she's with ronald's mother, teresa. >> now, when you say she's in the satsuma area, is she back in the home with haleigh's father, ronald cummings? >> yes. she lives in the home. she's back in the home with ronald at ronald's grandmother's. >> so you're telling me they're together? >> that's what i'm being told, nancy. >> so marlaina, after all this time where had she been?

i know she doesn't have a job. ronald cummings has put so much effort into trying to find his missing 5-year-old daughter he has been let go from his job. how does she manage to stay down at disney world for a week in orlando, living it up at epcot? you know how much those tickets cost to get in? >> i do, nancy. and you know, she was with somebody. we don't know who she was. we're told she was with a friend. but when i spoke to teresa, she said that those -- that the money and -- that went into this trip was paid before by someone she knows. so it was coming from somebody else. it wasn't coming from misty's funds. >> joining me right now is a special guest. teresa neves is with us tonight. this is haleigh's grandmother. miss neves thank you, for being with us. you have supported croslin from the get-go. why won't she speak to police tonight? >> miss nancy, that is a decision made by her attorney. she has gone in several times

voluntarily, against his wish. i guess she is waiting on him to say yes, let's do this.

what's her date of birth? >> i'm going to [ bleep ] kill somebody. >> okay. tell him we understand. we need to get her date of birth. >> what's her date of birth? >> we need to find her. >> somebody stole my child out

of my bed. i come home from work, and my child was not there. >> i put her to bed and -- about 8:00. and i woke up and she was gone. and the back door was wide open. >> do you believe that misty was indeed home and that she's been telling the truth? >> yeah, i believe she's telling the truth. >> she is still the most important witness in this case. she's the last person to see the children. she was with them. she's an important person to be spoken to. >> they haven't left me alone for six months. i've been the one, the main focus. they just need to move on and look for the right person. >> the officers are going to come out there and do what they can. we can't have him screaming and yelling at the officers whenever they get there. okay? >> uh-huh. >> i got better people to talk to than a [ bleep ] [ bleep ] who ain't coming. >> why are you so sure haleigh is still with us? >> because i stand on god's promise that if you pray and believe that he will give you what you pray for. >> joining us right now is

haleigh's grandmother. you just saw her. teresa neves. miss neves, does croslin, misty croslin, haleigh's stepmother, realize the firestorm she created by dropping out of sight for all these days in the midst of the search for haleigh? >> i do not think so, miss nancy. i don't think anyone thought that it would be that big a deal. there were arrangements made for her and ronald to do something with junior. those arrangements had to be changed, and misty just continued on with those plans without ronald and junior. >> then why couldn't anyone seem to tell us exactly where she was during that time? >> i don't know why anyone couldn't tell you that, because i could tell you. >> really? there were so many conflicting reports about where she had been. miss neves, again, you are stating that you believe she's waiting for the okay from her lawyer to talk to police.

>> yes, ma'am. >> okay. in light of the fact that her new stepchild, her little girl is missing and police want to talk to her, hopefully to clear up questions and find the child, don't you think she should be at the police station right now instead of waiting for a possible call from a lawyer? >> my personal opinion, that attorney should have made this trip six months ago. but i can't tell that attorney how to do his job. >> but you can. i mean, she is with you. she is with you and ronald at your home. you can. you and ronald can talk to her. >> yes, ma'am, we can. and we have. but we cannot make her attorney do anything. >> miss neves, she said at one juncture that she believes up to four people were in the home the night haleigh went missing but

then chalked it up to a dream-like interlude that she had. what does she say about that? who were the people in the home that evening? >> miss nancy, i have not seen that. i have asked her about it. she says that that did not happen. you know, if i haven't seen it and i can't prove it, then i can't actually confront her with something that she says did not happen. >> miss neves, i don't mean to grill you, but it just doesn't all fit together. you've got her brother claiming he came to the home that evening at 9:30 to 9:45. she said she didn't go to sleep until 10:00 p.m. he says he banged on the door to get in touch with her and nobody came. how does she respond to that? was she really home? >> she still stands firm on the fact that she was at home. to me it's a very dysfunctional family, and that's the best way

i can describe that. one minute they -- you know, they say one thing, and then the next minute they call and say, well, i was sorry, you know, i didn't mean to say that and we'll do better next time. so i just don't know what to think of the whole thing. >> we are taking your calls live. to valerie in canada. hi, valerie. >> hi, nancy, how are you tonight? >> i'm good, dear, thank you for calling in. what's your question? >> caller: i'm just curious. do you think that perhaps haleigh's kidnapping could be some form of retaliation to perhaps money that misty may have been owing to the people she was allegedly partying with that weekend and -- >> good question. we know that misty croslin was awol for three days prior, the three days just before the little girl goes missing. let's unleash the lawyers. susan moss, child advocate new york. renee rockwell, defense attorney atlanta. paul batista, renowned defense attorney, author of "death's witness." joining us from new york. renee rockwell, that only

happens in the movies. all right? you don't steal somebody's child to get, for instance, a drug debt back. if they want money out of you, they come and break your knees. they chase you down and beat you up. that's how that works. would you agree or disagree? >> well, nancy, i do agree that that is a fantastic explanation as to where the child is. but when you're fooling around with drugs and you have people potentially taking drugs or drugs lying around, it's very easy to imagine that something may have gone amiss -- >> okay. >> -- if everybody's just passed out on the couch. >> well, going amiss, cheryl mccollum, and kidnapping for a drug debt or some other debt are to different things. >> absolutely, nancy. and again, there's been no ransom, there's been no call we're doing this for retaliation. not what happened.

we can't have him screaming and yelling at the officers whenever they get there. okay? >> uh-huh. >> give me my [ bleep ] phone.

i've got better people to talk to than a [ bleep ] [ bleep ] who ain't coming. >> they haven't left me alone for six months. i've been the one, the main focus. they just need to move on and look for the right person. >> i believe haleigh is alive. i have ghaifaith in god to takee of my baby girl and to find her. and i don't care who had something to do with it. those are the people that need to be put away and bring my baby girl home. >> right now marc klaas is joining us, president and founder of klaaskids foundation, child advocate. she's back in town. police have located her, have tracked her down, but new stepmother misty croslin is not speaking to police. that's over. marc klaas, when your little girl went missing, you practically laid on the steps of the police station and said please, take my dna, polygraph me, hook me up, i don't want to wait so, you can find who took her. >> and that happened 16 years

ago tomorrow, on october 1st. here's the problem. what misty needs to do is come forward and tell the truth. and she's obviously not doing that because there are inconsistencies in her very self-serving story. and the truth doesn't have versions. at least not coming from one person. ironically, it seems like the last holdout, the last person that is really giving her an ability to not go out and tell the truth is wrong, who seems to have become her enabler through this whole thing. ron and his family. it seems to me they should put their foot down and tell misty that the time for being vague is over. it may very well be that she doesn't know what happened to the little girl that night. but that doesn't mean she was there or wasn't there. she's not being truthful. the police don't know what happened. and they need to know. >> t.j. ward, private investigator. weigh in, t.j. >> hey, nancy. how are you? >> good. >> let me tell you, i let her --

i went down there to florida on her request because she failed two polygraphs and wanted to clear her name. she in fact, when she talked about going to sleep and laying down, it's a false statement, deception. that's one of the things that bothered me. she says she woke up. another inaccuracy. i asked her directly, i said do you know anything about haleigh going missing? and she said no, i do not. nothing at all. inaccuracy. deception. again, i said do you know any persons that haleigh? "i don't know." inaccuracy.

the suspect, a woman, knocked heavily on the door. the mother, maria garillo, came to the door. >> she said she was from immigration and was going to arrest her. and she asked her to identify herself, and the woman began to hit her and pulled out a knife and began to stab her. >> covered from blood to her head all the way down to her toes. >> she suffered nine stab wounds. >> got big holes in her neck from being stabbed. she'd will not slashed across the throat. >> but she was able to get out

of the house and run across the street for help. and when she returned the baby was gone. >> she kept saying they're after me. i said we got you right here. you don't have to worry about them after you no more. >> an amber alert has been issued for missing yair carillo. >> who could stab new mom and take a five-day-old baby like this? >> straight out to mark stewart with wsmz. a mother answers the door to whom she thinks is an immigration agent. the woman, the assailant is a woman? that's highly unusual, mark. who stabs the mother repeatedly. the face, the chest, the breast, all over her body. and snatches the four-day-old baby? >> nancy, that does seem perhaps unlikely, but it's the only theory at least publicly that police are talking about. they say perhaps this woman knew that maria had just given birth to a son and perhaps followed

her, targeted her, wanted a child herself and perhaps orchestrated this attack. that's the leading theory, at least publicly, police are saying. and off the record, discussions with our sources, we're hearing nothing else. >> well, obviously, the only thing she took was the baby boy. kate howard with the "tennessean." what can you tell me about the circumstances? >> there's not too much known about it at this time except for this woman, the mother did not know the woman who came to her door that day. she said she had never seen her before in her life. and now of course police are looking into the possibility that she had in fact been followed, possibly by that woman earlier in the day although all they know is a car was following her, they don't know who was driving. >> with me right now is sharon kimba kimball. she is joining us there in front of the home where a stabbing and kidnap of a four-day-old baby boy took place. she helped the mother after the stabbing. out to sharon kimball joining us

exclusively. miss kimball, thank you for being with us. also with her, eric peterson, also a neighbor. miss kimball, what happened when the mom, when you first saw the mom following the stabbing? >> well, when she came to my door, she said please help me. she said someone -- a woman has stabbed me and she has taken my baby, she's going to kill my baby. >> miss kimble, when you first saw her, when you saw her, the mother, what did she look like? >> she was covered in blood. blood was gushing out of the side of her neck. it was coming down her face. it was all down her body. it was just dripping everywhere. >> miss kimble, this is an important question. did she have anything in the front yard like blue balloons or one of those stork posters or anything celebrating bringing the baby home? >> yes. it was something there saying a

baby born was born at a hospital. new arrival. >> to eric peterson, also joining us there in nashville, tennessee. everyone, a young mother answers the door, to whom she thinks is immigration on a routine check. instead she sees a woman who immediately, there at the front door, begins stabbing her repeatedly. why? to steal her 4-day-old infant. eric peterson is also joining us. eric, what can you add? >> oh, i just heard a loud beating at the door continuously. i finally answered the door, and this lady was completely covered in blood. all over. stuff was dripping all out of her hands. i thought it was a gag. i asked her, what's going on here? she said, "please help me." and i saw the fear in her. and then i knew something was

going down. >> what did she do? what, did she want to use your phone? what did she need? >> no. she wanted to come in and shut that door and told me to go get her kids. told me it was a white lady in the kitchen that was going to kill the newborn child. so i told her she couldn't come in dripping blood like that. i told her hold on, let me go get somebody to take care of you. so i immediately went and got miss kimble from out back. and miss kimble started attending to her. then i asked her if -- what type of weapon did the lady have. it was obvious that she had been hit with a butcher knife, but i wanted to make sure. once i found out what type of weapon she had, i immediately went around the house and got my dog, and we went down to the house. >> so eric -- eric peterson, hold on. i know you're outside and there's traffic going by. mr. peterson, you actually went back to the house, and you

thought the lady with the knife may still be in there? >> oh, yes, ma'am. i just knew she was in there. but when i got down there, it was a lady in a gray two-door honda tried to run over me and the dog. i really didn't pay that much attention to her. she was a white lady, brown hair in a ponytail, and she went on by real quick after she tried to hit me. after -- >> now, wait a minute. you're saying it was a honda and what color? >> it was a gray honda. two-door. all grayish. >> okay. dark -- >> like it's been sitting in the sun. >> oh, so light gray? >> dark gray. like it's been sitting in the sun for a long time. >> the lookout i've got is a black sedan that may look like a police car. but he's telling me something

completely different. you are seeing video of the mother at the hospital begging for the return of her infant child just four days -- what about the discrepancy? peterson is telling me it's a light blue honda, two-door. >> now, nancy, to complicate things a little more, a press conference just wrapped up a few moments ago where law enforcement said they're also searching for a kia spectra that was seen in the area in a walmart parking lot just hours before the attack on the mom. they believe that person may be a witness. there has been some discrepancy on that vehicle you had talked about. law enforcement still trying to sort that out. but they believe it is the four-door black sedan that looks like a police vehicle. >> okay. back to eric peterson, the lookout on the female that i've got is a white female, a white woman about 30 years old, 5'4", heavyset, blonde hair pulled back into a ponytail, black

blouse, blue jeans. does that fit the description that you observed, eric peterson? >> come very close to caught me and my dog, and i seen a white woman. how old she were i could not tell you. but she wasn't very old. i can say that. >> to dr. evelyn manaya, an expert in her field, the condition of this four-day-old child -- when my twins were four days old, they were still in the icu. >> that's right, nancy. that's right. you know, the condition of this poor child is that obviously the child has to be taken care of. it can get dehydrated, as you already know, very fast. and you even pointed out on monday's show that the baby needs to be always on his back. now, he looks a little heavy. the baby looks like he's about eight something, eight pounds nine ounces, eight pounds ten ounces or so. so you know, he also needs to be fed more frequently. so that means every two hours. and it's very important. not only that. they're more susceptible to infections. everything.

>> got it. to susan moss. this is not the first time that a female has done violence to get a baby. weigh in, susan moss. >> absolutely. unfortunately, it is not uncommon. mom was stabbed, the child was grabbed, and this perp needs to be nabbed. luckily, law enforcement is taking this very, very seriously. and i don't think anyone in this community is going to rest until the perps are brought to justice. >> paul batista, i guess your defense is going to be insanity? >> well, we haven't met her yet, nancy. we have to figure out who she is and what she's like -- >> when did that ever stop you? >> but it is a possible defense, nancy. it depends on who the perpetrator is. >> all right. we'll all be right back. we're taking your calls live. to tonight's safety tip. criminals target anybody. but with preparation you can be one step ahead and prevent a mugging. if poll, don't travel alone. groups deter muggers. avoid unfamiliar locations. stay alert and aware of your surroundings. it's so easy to become blase. don't make yourself a target.

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it's very important that the community be on the lookout for an individual, fire woman who has a child inexplicably, a person who was not pregnant but all of a sudden is carrying around a child who meets this particular child's description. the abductor once again is described as a heavyset white woman, approximately 5'4" who had her blond hair in a ponytail on tuesday afternoon. we're also being told that she spoke some spanish. >> it's not the first time a woman has committed violence, although it's extremely rare for women to commit this type of violence, especially in order to steal a baby.

lisa montgomery killed bobbie jo stinnett, cut the baby out of her body. effie good sonl, michelle beeker, karina roberts, angela dimament is. the list goes on and on and on. violence inflicted by women to get babies. and to you, paul batista. you're saying you haven't met her, so you don't know what the defense is going to be. it's always insanity. come on, tell the truth. you've got eric peterson, the neighbor, she tries to run him down. he got a good look at her. the victim lived. i'm sure she regrets that, the perpetrator regrets that. everybody saw her. she has nowhere to go. so her defense cannot be not guilty unless it's not guilty by reason of insanity. >> well, nancy, obviously any competent lawyer who finally meets this client is going to have to really explore that defense. and it may be the only defense. >> put him back up on the screen. >> but it depends on what she is

really like. >> she is really like? a kidnapper and a would-be murderer. that's what she's really like. >> the fact that it's a heinous crime does not mean necessarily, nancy, that she's insane within the meaning of the law. it has to be evaluated. >> you know what? i know that. i'm worried that you don't know that. but thank you for clearing that up, paul batista. caryn stark, help me out. i need a shrink. >> okay, nancy. even though it's unusual for women to be violent, not baby snatchers. they are desperate. these are people who really believe this is their baby, and they're going to kill in order to have their baby. they've convinced themselves that they're determined, they're allowed to have this baby. >> and they're also convinced that they would make a better mother. you know, after covering all of these stories, there was no way i was going to put a sign up, a balloon. nothing in the front yard when i

brought the twins home. i brought them home with a blanket over their head. i want to go back to marc klaas. what do we do to find the baby, marc klaas? >> well, first of all, you know, these kinds of crimes used to happen in hospitals until hospitals clamped down on security. and now they're happening in the community. what we have to do is stop advertising the fact that we have newborn babies in our homes because, as you said, these kinds of crimes are happening with increasing regularity and we're covering one every couple of months. and this just can't be. these mothers deserve to be at home with their little children so they can raise them in a loving -- and a nurturing environment. >> marc klaas, you are preaching to the choir. after reading this story, i guarantee you i'm going to be up pacing the house all night looking out the windows. okay. very quickly, i want to go to sheryl mccollum. you're the director of the cold case squad. how would you go about finding this baby and solving this case? >> you're going to tell the public to pay attention. any friend or family member

that's giving you some bogus story about why they suddenly have a baby, it's bogus. call the authorities. >> so now we're relying on the public. everyone, the tip number, 615-862-8600. mommy's in the hospital covered with would-be fatal wounds. this four-day-old baby boy is with a psychotic would-be killer. 615-862-8600. don't be tricked by the fact the perpetrator is a woman. we are switching gears here very quickly and taking your calls. a famous hollywood megastar collides with lady justice. take a listen. >> fellow filmmakers are rallying behind oscar winner roman polanski as his attorneys file a motion to have him released. >> he photographed me topless. he'd seen me topless. i just was thinking, well, this is very european, it must be all right.

>> in all, 138 people including directors woody allen, pedro almodovar, and martin scorsese, among others in the film industry, signed a ped igs against h petition against his arrest. >> i said no. i didn't fight him off. i said no, no, i don't want to go in there. no, i don't want to do this. no. and then i didn't know what else to do. we were alone. >> recently unsealed grand jury testimony included a 13-year-old victim's story of being plied with champagne, part of a quaalude, then being raped and sodomized by a 43-year-old man. >> i need to go home because i'm not feeling well. and then that progressed to, you know, eventually why don't you come in here and lay down? into a very dark room. and that's when i really realized, you know, what his intentions were. >> now, after 30 years after roman polanski, the megastar hollywood director, admits under oath he raped a 13-year-old girl, her sworn testimony is that he also anally raped her,

he's finally arrested after 30 years hiding out in his luxury chalet in europe. and hollywood is shocked? they're shocked he's arrested. why weren't they shocked when he raped a 13-year-old girl he had high on champagne and quaaludes? that's my question tonight. tom o'neil, senior editor "in touch weekly," hit me. >> 138 filmmakers disagree with you, nancy. and with me. they signed this petition that demands his immediate release because he was nabbed unfairly, they say. that he was en route to a film festival. and -- >> what's unfair about that? >> i know. they say that there's something sacred about film festivals, that -- >> okay. who is they? woody allen, who was accused of taking photos of his minor adopted daughter. >> mm-hmm. >> that's an endorsement. martin course cie, penelope cruz, tilda swinton, michael

mann. who else? who am i missing? >> inaratu, the director of "babel." >> guillermo del toro. david lynch. they're tigsing wh release in. >> they're petitioning the government of switzerland to let him go because he was nabbed unfairly say they at an international cultural event and should be xemplt and the parallel, it is interesting but faulty and claiming that film festivals they let guerrilla outlaws. that's set aside. not criminal charges like this. >> this director said under oath he raped a 13-year-old. it's only because he absconded that this case is 30 years old. quick break. we are taking your calls. happy retirement to georgia friend bo ryles as director and state leader of the georgia 4-h foundation, one of the largest programs in the world.

it's 43 years, before moving on to a career as camp counselor, he was a 4-h 'er. considered the best program in the country. his portrait on display and avid runner. the favorite joy, sun down with 23-year-old son, time with mom ethel and sweetwater wife of 25 years becky. congratulations, bo ryles.

lady justice finally catches up with a hollywood superstar who 30 years ago pled guilty to raping a 13-year-old child. now hollywood's whining he should be released. we are taking your calls. sheba illinois, hi. >> caller: hi, darling. this is disgusting. >> i agree. >> caller: he raped her and then sodomized her. her life is ruined up to this point. she's got to have all kinds of problems up to this point. he should be sent over here and have to do his sentence and i hope that the judge that sentenced him is still alive.

>> sheeba in illinois, i agree with you and only hope that the judge is listening. elie, what more can you tell me? >> a lot of the support is based on the documentary of last year. a prosecutor -- >> all the support? you mean wood i can allen, the guy who married his underage daughter? okay. >> that's the guy, yeah. >> go ahead. >> yeah. so in the documentary a prosecutor now retired claims that he had a conversation with the judge on the case and strategized about how to go back on that plea deal, send polanski back to jail. now he says he tells marcia clark she's got an article about it in "the daily beast xwts saying i lied. all i did is show the judge a picture of polanski at octoberfest. the judge decided to send him back to jail on his own. >> that was a negotiated plea for just a few days behind bars if the judge had rejected that,

polanski would have had the right to go to trial. everybody, let's stop this and remember marine lance corporal steven chavez. lost his life hours after talking to his dad and one week before he was set to come home. he wanted to enlist since six grait, wearing camouflage. loved outdoors, fishing with his father, camping, sports, playing guitar. dreamed of starting a band. follow jim to freedom. leaves behind parents, brother and sister. steven chavez, american hero. thanks to our guests but especially to you. and a special good night from georgia friends of the show donna and susan. both dedicated mothers and both beautiful. everyone, i'll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp eastern. until then, good night, friend.

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joining me tonight, author, pundit, provocative white chick ann coulter. also in the studio offering her unique take on family values, victoria gotti. and are democrats finally taking a page from the republican play book and dumbing down the discourse? i'll discuss that and more with host of hbo's "realtime" the fabulous bill maher. all that and more from the time warner center in new york city tonight. my first guest like me is

known for speaking his mind and pissing people off so naturally i had to have him on my second show. the lovely and talented bill ma rer. hey, bill. how are you? >> joy, congratulations. >> thank you. thank you. all right. let's start off with a topic that's near and dear to our hearts, health care and congress. check out this clip of florida congressman allen grayson for a minute. >> if you get sick in america, this is what the republicans want you to do. if you get sick, america, the republican health care plan is this, die quickly. that's right. the republicans want you to die quickly if you get sick. >> okay. is it me or did a democrat actually behave like a republican? >> who is that man? >> his name is -- he's a florida congressman. his name is allen grayson. you haven't seen that before? >> i haven't. but i think i got to get him on

the show. he's a funny, funny man. and you know, i have been interviewing congressmen for like 17 years and it's always amazing to me when you meet them in person. there are some who are bright. the democrats have a good few people, barney frank, that guy anthony weiner. >> unfortunate name but a lovely man. >> right. lovely man. very bright. bernie sanders. marcy captor on our show friday. but, you know, in general, congress people -- you know, they're just not that bright. when you meet them, you're like, wow. o you're one of the people who run this country? amazing. but he is not completely wrong. >> what the guy was doing i think is sort of using the hiber bollic sound bite to get the other side crazy like they did with death panels. it is not that dissimilar. but the gop colleagues were very upset by -- look at what representative dan burton had to say immediately after seeing

that. >> i can't believe what i just saw. i can't believe it. first of all, it's totally wrong. and secondly, it's making fun of a very important issue for the american people. we do have health care problems in this country. and we need to solve those health care problems but coming down here and making light of the issue by coming up with a lot of silly talk is just ridiculous. >> the man is shocked, i tell you, shocked by this outrageous conduct. how dare the democrats palin-ize such a serious top snik. >> i'm so jealous of china. you know? it's a dictatorship. and they had a -- very efficient. if only we had something like that. yeah, i mean i was very, very disappointed to see the public option kind of die. you know, the senate, you know, this is where progress seems to go to die. i'm not even sure we need one anymore. >> well, it did die today, i think. or maybe. do you think there's any hope

for it at all? you have five blue dog democrats joined by republicans in voting no. >> right. i really don't because i don't think these people really even understand the people in congress who they're supposed to be representing. you know, when they complain about the public option, you hear things like, well, the government doesn't have to make a profit. yeah, exactly. because they're working for us. they're not working for etna. i mean, they have really lost sight of what the government's function is. they're so owned by corporations that they -- they're unabashed about advertising that. right out in front of us. >> do you think that obama has lost control of the party at this point? i mean, i feel as though his -- his vibe has sort of getting weak. >> well, he was -- he was never an arm twister. you know? maybe he has to learn that. there's always a learning curve with presidents and there is

going to be with this one, too. you know, i said months ago he needed a little george bush in him. and of course, i didn't mean he needed george bush's horrible ideas but if we could marry the good ideas that obama has with the kind of swagger that george bush had, i mean, george bush didn't care if anybody liked him. >> right. >> and that worked out real well because not many people do but bush, when you think about the ideas that bush pushed through, pre-emptive war, no one was looking to go to war in iraq after 9/11. giving away all the tax money to the very richest 1%. certainly no one was clamoring for that. you know, he was a master at just getting what he wanted because he didn't really care. and i think obama could use a little of that. he's a little too nice. you know? he had this grand idea that the republicans would play ball with him and had the interest of the country at heart. well, he needs to get over that.

and be a little bit of an a-hole. >> what do you make of this sort of hate speech going on? i don't want to mention names but glenn beck is watching my show right now and possible he's thinking of new ways to yell at obama and cause people to be raging and angry. what do you make of all of that? >> well, you know, i keep saying that we don't really have a progressive party in this country. glenn beck is part of the republican party. you know, the democrats as -- if you take away the few people i just mentioned before, you know, that's a center right party. they're a great party if you want to -- a party to represent the pharmaceutical companies and the health insurance industry and big agriculture and all that kind of stuff. and then you have the republicans which are just a bunch of religious lunatics, flatters, civil war reenactors. >> and those are the good points. >> and bimbos.

i can disagree ideologically with someone and respect an ideological disagreement but the republican party in the last 20, 30 years has really gone toward this nonintellectual-type of person. sarah palin, george bush, dan quayle and the commentators, also. it's not an ideological difference. they just don't know anything. they're bimbos. he's a bimbo and a crazy one. it is not that long before we're going to find glenn beck dressed as a woman or playing with his feces or something. >> that's a reality show i don't want to miss. >> he is extremely unhinged and it's going to happen on air. >> you think so? i hope so. that would be so much fun to watch. >> i do. >> let me switch for gears for a second and ask you why is the hollywood community rallying behind roman polanski? do you have any idea what's going on there? >> i don't. you know, i'm certainly not

rallying behind roman polanski. and you know, i'm the guy who doesn't particularly like children. i don't really have a dog in that kind of fight but, you know, i find, you know, if you give a 13-year-old girl a qualude and then do her in the naughty place against her will, i mean, if that's not a crime, you know, i don't know where we draw the line here. >> exactly. >> but, you know, you know, a polish pedophile, joy, he hits on adults. anyway, i thought i'd get that joke. >> okay. that was funny. i didn't see your name on the petition that woody allen and signed you were not going to back up this guy. but just all coming out. >> no. people very often defend hollywood out here by saying, those, you know, who call us too permissive are too square. this is a case where, yeah, we are too permissive.

if that's what hollywood wants to advertise, you know, that we're behind roman polanski, i don't want any part of it. you know, obviously, it's an old case. but still, i mean, if you can get away with doing that to a kid, i guess you can get away with anything. >> yeah, i guess you're right. even sharon tate's sister she even called the child a young woman. i mean, even the way that they're describing this poor, young girl, 13 is not a young woman. 13 is a child. you have pimples. you don't have bobbies yet in many cases. >> right. >> that is a child. >> and it seems a lot of the defense is, he's a great artist. who cares? >> right. >> so what? >> right. >> he's a great artist. great. who did a horrible thing. >> right. >> you know, the other one. it was in jack nicholson's hot tub. like, come on, in the hot tub, i think we all know all bets are off. >> i know. >> a 13-year-old should know that. >> exactly.

and, you know, to this idea that because he's an artist, he is excused, i'm sure pol pot could paint a great picture but so what? you know what i mean? every war criminal had a talent. what can i tell you? thanks very much, bill, for coming on. >> hitler. >> we don't like to use hitler anymore. we have to wait a while and build it up again. >> hitler. >> okay. thanks very much for coming on. we'll be back in a minute. i know joy behar. how long have i know joy behar in the name registers definitely. >> she's funny. she's smart. she knows what's going on. >> sexy? yeah. no, yeah. a little bit. >> sexy. i wouldn't kick you out of bed for eating crackers i'll tell you that. >> is she opinion nated? yes, i think people should be.

>> i love that she's opinion nated. >> she is quite liberal, isn't she? >> she's a little too liberal for me. >> no, i don't think she's too liberal. i like her. >> as far as me personally, i don't care for her that much but good luck, joy.

he was evaluated not to be a pedophile and there's as i said rape and then there's rape. it was determined that roman did not force bring have sex with this young woman. it was -- it was a consensual matter. >> okay. that was roman polanski's former

sister-in-law deborah tate on nbc's the "today" show. hollywood continues to rally around him and this woman, obviously. joining me now to discuss this case are criminal defense attorney joey johnson, gale saltz and ashleigh bamfield. first of all, don't you have a reaction to her calling her a young woman and there's rape and there's rape? they're protecting this man. i don't understand what's going on. >> when you're 13, there isn't there's rape and there's rape. you can't call it consensual. a young girl of that age doesn't have the frontal lobe, frankly, to make the decision to have sex and certainly not drugged on alcohol and qualudes. >> the word distorts the story, doesn't it? >> she is 13. i'll go one further. there is no rape and rape. if you're 26 and they give you

wine and have sex with you saying no, no, no. it's rape according to the law. >> yeah. >> there's two issues. the first issue is, of course, whether he raped her and clearly he did and we know that because he pled to it and what we have in law -- >> didn't plead to rape. >> pled to intercourse. unlawful -- unlawful sexual intercourse but you lack capacity in the law to consent and the other issue is really has the passage of time and the victim in the mid-40s excused this, there's been a settlement there. he's 76 years old himself. on the lam for 36 years and now looking at it at this point, should it be excused? >> listen to this film maker friend of his, what he said. since when does switzerland -- they're the victim in this story. weren't they neutral? >> this is a tremendous amount

of denial and indemnification. people want to feel if i did something i want to consider a little mistake, whether it was or not, i want to be able to be excused. those are the people, frankly, rallying. maybe i had a thought that wasn't okay or did something in the past that wasn't okay. i want to know i don't have to pay the ultimate punishment for that. >> look at it this way. he pled and a plea agreement in serving 47 some days and reason he didn't come back, of course, he felt the judge would not go by that plea agreement and ultimately settle, you know, settle on more time and so the reality is that you have to look at it in context. he did do something. it was abysmal, terrible. shouldn't have been done and talking 30 years later and beyond a warrant sent by l.a. to get him back. this is an international dispute. >> actors, some actors, some people and directors are backing him up. what do you think is the motive for backing him up in hollywood and europe? a lot of it is in europe. >> europeans i get it.

they don't think it's such a big deal. >> ult y? >> culturally. you have to go to europe to walk in those shoes. we're americans and feel differently about this. period. let them deal the way they deal but legally speaking i got to say this country has a black eye in this case because it wasn't just a case of he got wind maybe the judge will renege on the deal, he was tipped off the that the judge was going to throw the book at him and put him away for up to 50 yeerls because the judge wasn't happy with the media he was getting. it was ugly what went on chambers. it was illegal what went on in chambers and admitted to by the prosecutor who was involved. >> so you don't blame him for going on the lam? >> i hate to say it. i'm the last person to say flout the law, take off but i feel in his circumstance, he was being cheated by a system, truly cheated. there was an illegal process going on in chambers. what else was he to do? stand by, go to jail and wait to try to fight this thing? he could have been sit tlg for

ten years fighting this. >> we have a dilemma as a society. we can't at the end of the day say you don't have to be punished far crime that you admitted to and can't condone to run away and simply avoid your pinnishment living out a wonderful life and winning award somewhere else. >> the hollywood people and european directors signed a petition for him. guess who's on the list, woody allen. >> surprise. surprise, surprise. >> oedipus falls in the list of things to deny. >> i don't know their motivation, joy, is because they love him and they think he's a storied director and support him or whether they tall into the category of he was cheated, he was cheated by this country. he was offered a chance to come back in '97 and actually stand in court, assert his rights, challenge this malfeasance that wept on and then sentenced to time served but i'm not sure i would want to come back to a

country ready to cheat me in the first place. >> these are his friends. he's made a reputation in that industry and done exceedingly well and the fact is let's not say he wasn't 3u7bished be there was a plea agreement in place and he thought he would get time served. was it our measure of punishment? is it appropriate? maybe not but at the end of the day he served punishment. they're backing him up. >> they probably want jobs and covering their own butts because they have their little skeletons in the closet maybe. >> the culture of hollywood. not to indict hollywood. they engage in the behavior of their own. >> it makes middle america hate hollywood more. thanks to the panel. al sharpton joins me next. we know that joy behar has a new show. >> where is it? >> cnn "headline news." >> what is it about? >> talk show. current affairs. whatever joy wants. joy's a talker. >> what is it called? >> called "the joy behar show."

yeah? have you noticed when he left "the view" her career took off? >> skyrocketed. what is that about? >> i don't know. congratulations, joy. >> yeah. you will be absolutely fantastic.

this is a horrendous story out of the midwest. an innocent teen was fatally beaten at a chicago bus stop thursday and police are still looking for three teenagers they believe were involved. the amazing thing about this crime is that it was caught on cell phone video. joining me now is civil rights leader and the president of national action network, the reverend al sharpton. reverend al, i'm going to sew you a few seconds. >> zoom in. zoom in. >> it's very hard to look at.

you know? it's amateur footage given to us by wfld and shot on a cell phone. why wasn't that cell phone used to call the cops? >> that's a good question. why wasn't it used to call the cops? what is done city wide to deal with this real problem of youth violence? this is the third young man to be killed this month. many young people killed in chicago with gun fire and the community must be just as outraged with the internal problems of murder as we are when we have external. i mean, i'm outraged by it. national action organization of chicago meeting with the loaders there. we have got to really come to terms with the fact that this young crowd that is really perpetrating on other young people must be confronted by people in the community themselves. >> no one's coming out to turn anybody in. is there a snitching issue in the neighborhood or what? >> i think that we've gotten

from some of the culture this no-snitch kind of thing and no-snitch only gives people the right to violate you and murder you and feel there's not aens. snitching came back in the days when people were doing crimes together and didn't tell on each other. when people perpetrate crimes against you, that's protecting yourself and your community. we got to turn that around and i think the hip hop industry, the black leadership, the city leadership, everybody's got to come out there and say, if you know something, you must come forward. we cannot allow and tolerate this in our community. >> maybe they're afraid of reprizal. maybe the kids are scared to talk. >> i think if there's an infrastructure put in place to ensure that any information that comes forward is protected and even kept anonymous, that confidence must be built up. but the real problem is that they will have reprizals if they don't do anything. if we continue -- i repeat, joy, this is the third murder of

young people in chicago. if we repeat allowing this to happen without people paying for it, this will keep happening. >> this kid felt threatened in the neighborhood before. you know? why aren't -- why doesn't he feel protected? why aren't the children in that neighborhood protected well enough by the police? >> because we have not called on this kind of accountability. we have not come forward and called on accountability of community neighbors and community leaders and i think the fact that this young man said he was threatened before and this happened to him is even a furtherer indictment on us that need to be doing more about this. this is a crisis. >> uh-huh. there's only a $6,000 reward for the perpetrator. that's not enough, is it? >> no. i think that will go up substantially this weekend. i'm talking again to some of the community leader there is in chicago but i think it's not a question of the reward though i think it should be higher but a question of the crisis. we have to do something about it, quickly and dramatically. >> thank you so much, reverend al, for coming on the show. thank you.

i'll be joined by ann koult wher we come back.

okay. even some of president obama's biggest supporters say he is too easy on the opponents. i'm here with the always candid, always cute ann coulter. hi, ann. >> hello! >> okay. first i want to start off, before he died, don hewitt called me and said two things. >> never do that again. >> he is gone now but still. >> i'm guessing that's what he said to you. >> no, no, no. he said, this is the first time i've ever really liked ann coulter. number one. he said, number two, i think it's an act. is it an act? what do you think about all of

that? >> i got a lot of comments to this day. >> from don hewitt? >> yes. he was calling me saying it's a first time i've ever really liked joy behar. no, i've had a lot of people saying they loved us on together just in the past week or so. the last time i was on with you four or five months ago. >> really? see us? >> we were a good combo team. >> a personal question. besides a sarah palin speech, what makes you happy? >> what makes me happy? >> what makes you happy in the world. >> the happiest was bill clinton's impeachment. i suspect the -- >> second -- >> going to be obama's impeachment. >> yeah. why? you really don't like him, do you? >> no. i mean, he is like all these democrats. they run as moderate, old school, i'm just a regular guy and then they get in and suddenly it's nom alcoholismsky. >> you did have something about him you liked.

you admired the position on afghanistan. is there something else that you like? >> well, it was the whole -- it was the whole foreign policy thing because he was basically following bush and as we found out again, you know, in the last week or so, he's completely continuing the detention policy without passing a new law and detain possible terrorists so i do think what he wants to do is wreck domestic policy and therefore, you know, terrorist attack would not help that so -- >> how's wrecking domestic policy? he is trying to help it. even bernanke said that the economy is better since obama is in. >> yes, well, bernanke is working for obama. you cannot quote the underlings as proof you're doing your job. >> didn't he work for bush, snals. >> yeah, but still. >> they all worked for the same people. how do you feel about the health care thing he's doing? do you like him there? >> no, i do not. >> the public option i thought is something you would like. >> you are not following my continuing theories of liberal

lies on health care. i agree with most americans, apparently. i think it would be a disaster. what needs to be done with health care, for one thing, most americans are happy with their health care. >> are you happy with your health care? >> no. this is how i would fix what i think the problems are. what you want in insurance is to insure against catastrophes not sharing the cost of, you know, your going to get fertility treatment or marriage counseling and that is -- >> marriage counseling is not covered. >> it absolutely is in new jersey. states impose the mandates. >> how about viagra? >> a lot of these are state mandates and yit's so experiencive no buy insurance in some states because state politicians, you know, they want to please the lobbyists for, you know, the podiatry lobby or aro therapy lobby and require it to be covered. thinking about wit the home insurance or car insurance, you get that in case you get in a

crash not so everyone shares the cost of gasoline and tires. you should pay for it yourself. all congress -- >> not everybody can, though. not everybody can. >> it would be cheaper to not paying for their restless leg syndrome. >> whose -- what are you talking about? >> i am talking about all of these state mandate secretary of state you cannot buy catastrophic health care. they're illegal immigrants or young, healthy people paying for everybody else to have babies, to go see shrinks, to have counseling, rehab counseling. >> that's not true. >> it is absolutely true. >> can't be. >> this is why you're still a liberal. find out facts. >> my brother-in-law works in an emergency. they say come back in 17 hours. is that right? >> no. that's why we should have private and public hospitals. >> for those people that wait 17 hours don't have the money to buy the health insurance. let's move on from this. the health insurance gives me a

headache, frankly. the whole thing going on in the country, the racist attacks on the guy. >> they're not racist attacks. >> what do you think a lying -- the zoo and the white house has a lying african. >> right. >> i mean, that's -- >> you don't know who put that up. there's hundreds of thousands of people there. i recommend people go, links on my website to a site called i think zombie.com. for some of the signs at bush rallies. and i think bush would have preferred that one. i meanw the head chopped off. him hung in effigy. endlessly compared to -- >> they didn't say old white boy, you are an idiot. nobody said that. >> nobody said black boy is an idiot. >> and then glenn beck in the infinite wisdom called obama a racist. what is that? like lindsay lohan called david hasselhoff an alcoholic. i'm sorry, elizabeth. i didn't mean hasselbeck.

i meant hasselhoff. if she is watching, elisabeth. i'm sorry. >> i'm sure he will be. >> glenn beck, the thing with him, he's the face of the republican party. >> okay. since you've beginning the show with me dishing on glenn beck, i want to quickly get out i love glenn beck. >> really? do you really, really? >> yeah. >> people hate him more than they used to hate you r. you jealous? >> a little bit. i think you get that with many conservatives attacking him but he didn't our leader. rush limbaugh isn't our leader. sarah palin isn't our leader. i love them all. but we don't have a leader. a, we are a party without leaders and moreover, we have a liberal obsession with tell us who your leader is and this is they argue. they find leader and destroy him from newt gingrich to tom delay. to sarah palin. >> what do you mean? who destroyed tom delay? we are not going with a leader this time so you have to argue with us on the facts. on the issues.

>> i don't think that's -- >> no destroying the leader. >> who would be your leader? >> we don't have a leader. >> joe scarborough saying that the republican party better stop letting glenn beck get away with the hate speech making the republican party, conservatives look bad. what do you think about that? joe scarborough, also not our leader. >> a conservative. >> i didn't say he wasn't. i said they're not our leaders. we don't have a leader. stop trying to find one to destroy him. >> scarborough, he's saying you can't make glenn beck such the face of the republican party. it's not working. >> he isn't the face. six months at the beginning of the year as rush limbaugh. >> now let's talk about sarah. we can't get enough of sarah. a gift that keeps on giving. first of all, she is in hong kong or she was. >> right. >> and then in hong kong she basically was badmouthing obama pretty badly. now, when obama was in germany or berlin last year and i think he was running and he said, you know, the united states has made mistakes and we are not perfect. the right went bezerk on the

guy. why don't you figure it's unpatriotic to badmouth the president 069 united states at the very least, disrespectful. >> i have heard nothing about that. because it was closed to the press and all leaks from -- >> okay. it's leaks. >> okay. but what i saw was -- i need glasses for this to do the full charlie gibson. what do you think of the palin doctrine? that's what i heard her give. >> a what? >> exactly. except there is a palin doctrine. there wasn't a bush doctrine. >> what is she up to? everybody says, would you like to have sarah palin on the show? i say, yes. what would you ask her? maybe you could pretend you're sarah. do role playing. >> right. >> the day that katie couric said to her, what do you read? >> i can answer that. >> why couldn't she come up with an answer? the moose gazette. >> i can answer that. >> the alaskan news. anything. >> it's a personal question in the sense that a lot will be read into it. i don't like people asking me

what i read, watch on tv. that sort of question. if she says the fing things and say human events, will they say, i'm a right winger and not getting the other side. if i say "the new york times" sucking up to liberals? all of that's going through the head. not that important of a question and doing the normal blow-off answer and -- >> "time" and "newsweek". >> that's point one she didn't want to give a specific answer and then that's the headline. why didn't she mention news max or human events? all of that is going through your head. >> she came across as dumb and -- >> i don't think so. i think the parodies came across as dumb. it was replayed and said, that wasn't half as bad as i thought. it wasn't that bad. point two is, she is -- she is young. she's the internet generation. you don't read -- nobody reads

magazines or newspapers anymore. everything everyone reads is on the internet. >> read the blogs. that would have been a very safe answer for her. >> no, they would have aattacked her and then it's just as empty and meaningless as saying i read anything i can get my hands on. >> did she give the clothes back to the republican party? >> she never had them. >> she has them, honey. >> she was wearing them on loan and by the way that leaked -- i've said a moment ago -- >> nothing comes right out. >> from mccain because i said before when someone gets big, big, big you get jealous people around them. well, nobody wanted to hear john mccain. sarah palin would show up. she got audiences bigger than obama. >> she's prettier. she's prettier. that is about it. >> more coherent. >> she is not -- ann, not for nothing, i like you. she is not coherent. >> she's totally coherent. >> she is not. the woman cannot construct a sentence. that's the reason -- that's the reason she doesn't allow the media to come into her speeches.

>> no. no, no, no. you are referring to -- >> she is like a gadhafi. >> that was coherent. >> okay, ann. that thank you for coming. "guilty liberal victims a ten assault on america." next, something that's not bothering me in the least.

you know, not for nothing, but my show has been on the air for, what, like two minutes and already i've been called every name in the book. i've been called stupid, pushy, dumb, a loud mouth and a marxist. i take exemption. i'm not a marxist. i own property. okay. it's in foreclosure, but still.

this name calling doesn't bother me. you think it bothers me? i'm used to it. bill o'reilly called may pinhead. yeah, he's mature and a christian columnist of eric rush called me a fatty boomblatti. which version of the bible does he read? the king james or the dr. seuss? let me say something to the negative nabobs. i am a mature woman capable of intelligent discourse. i love to far take in well-informed conversation. okay? i relish the thought of sitting down with all of my adversaries. so glenn, rush, bill, i invite all of you to come on the show and discuss things like rational adults. even if you are a big bunch of doody heads. but that's just me.

i know you're going to be great and have a big audience because i'm going to be

watching. >> joy, i'm being forced to do because they don't think i actually know you so kick everybody's you know what when you're doing your show because you know you're going to be good at it. >> some people get to see movies like "the godfather" and there are others who have lived them. joining me now is the author of "the family of mine," victoria gotti. why did you write this book, victoria? >> i didn't want to for many, many years and many, many reasons. mom, my family. we had a tough year and there were so many headlines, so many lies, so many pot shots that finally the family said, you need to do this. and if you don't, they threat threatened me. >> who threatened me? >> mom. >> your mother? >> mom, siblings. they said it's time, it's time. there were some news that got back to the family that a few of these people, let's say they were close to the family were

doing these tell-alls and things like that. i think that upset them and we finally sat down and talked about it and -- >> you wanted to set the record straight? >> set the record straight. i think, you know, i think the world has one misconception of the way we were brought up. the way we lived and i felt, you know what then? maybe they're right and just time. that's it. >> well, one of the things i read that you said is you're not like the sopranos. tell me how you're not like the sopra sopranos. >> whatever dad in dad's life dad always kept separately. as far as dad was concerned, there were two lives. they never crossed over. he didn't bring -- people once asked me, how do you feel about sam -- >> sammy the bull. didn't he sing? >> not opera. not opera. no, not opera. i never met him. this person was like, what? wasn't he like an uncle to you? i never met him. dad never allowed anybody from that life to be in the home, be

around us, never talk about certain things. you know, where dad was concerned, you couldn't curse in front of a woman. men got up from the table. it was a whole different. >> more like the godfather than like goodfellows torso pra nos? >> yeah, yeah. he was very, very, very classy. very charismatic. very, you know, this tony soprano character, i remember when it first came out and people say -- well, somebody once made a joke and likened that character to my ex-husband. i thought that's close but dad, never happened. >> even though, you know, your father was convicted of racketeering, 13 murders, illegal gambling, extortion. >> i meant personality wise. >> separate from that -- >> separate from that. >> he was a gentleman. >> totally different guy. totally different guy. very low key. as i said, you could never talk about that stuff. not in front of women. >> my father was like that. he drove a truck and he fought the nazis. couldn't say the "f" word in

front of him. weird. >> they are. >> you said brooklyn, especially downtown brooklyn considered mafia territory. if you were italian and lived there, it was presumed you were in the life. i was in brooklyn. i never heard this. >> it is not something italian people or descent will say but if you ever tell anybody i don't you're from brooklyn, for instance, riding off the bell parkway entering into queens, you see the sign lately? sign says you are leaving brooklyn. forget about it. >> yeah. very funny. >> i don't think it's that funny but you know what? back in the day, even now, you say brooklyn, it's right away assumed you are and if you're italian, you belong to the mob. >> well, you know, my aunt julie says your family makes italians look bad. >> you know what? it depends on -- there are the italians, there are the italians. some of the italians feel they've come to this country. they're anti-anti-that life

style and feel this was their brotherhood. this was their life. their whatever. they're going to fight it out from now until the days turn to stone. this is how it is. it is like the knights like thes versus the italian-american league. it is what it is. >> i read your book and know that your father had a tough time as a kid. my grand father did, too. they asked my grandfather to be in man in the mob and he refused. your father did not refuse. >> kid not refuse. these are the guys he saw growing up he wanted to emulate. i'm not saying it was the right choice. it was his choice. i can't speak for him. it was his choice. >> we'll be back with more from victoria gotti in just a bit.

i'm back with victoria gotti. we're talking about her new memoir, "this family of mine." let's talk about your mother and your family a little bit. according to what you wrote, you didn't have any clue your father was in the mob. >> not until the '80s. >> i don't know how old you are. i'm assuming you were somewhat of a grown-up at that time. >> yeah. early 20s. >> and you also say that your mother didn't seem to know anything, either. people find that hard to believe. >> she knew. she knew what his life was, as most women that were married to those type of men did. but she never, again, would question what he did. she wouldn't, you know, he walked in the door at night. she didn't say, hey, where were you tonight? >> was she scare to ask him in.

>> no, she was feisty. >> she was quite the -- quite a -- >> she was feisty. she wasn't by no means a shri shrinking violet. she knew her place, too. women, this was a whole different type of society than we are today. it just wasn't the way it is today. today we would be like, you know, hey, what do you mean? what's this? it wasn't like that back then. your husband provided. you knew he did. youing a skepted. >> i had the opposite experience. my mother ruled the roost. >> it happens that way, too. it is great. >> it's better. >> i think you're right. >> a neighbor of yours mysteriously disappeared after your little brother was run over by his, they think his car, right in. >> right. >> do you think your father was involved in that murder? >> i thought for a lot of years. >> or his disappearance, let's say? >> i thought for a lot of years, yes. as i say in the book, dad was the only one out of all of us that disbelieved -- he believed

it was an accident, whereas i for one didn't. >> you didn't -- >> the man was a neighborhood drinker. the neighbor had all, you know, it was like dad didn't want to hear it. it was like the neighbors came and told all of us, they were there at the scene, they said -- the police also and the report said he dragged my brother for over 200 something feet, didn't know this boy was under the wheels of his car. you know, he got out of the car and started to yell and scream. who the hell's kid is this anyway? what the f was he doing in the street? >> didn't he know your father was living on that block? >> it was two blocks away when it happened. when he found out it was john gotti's son, all of a sudden, i'm having chest pains. >> wouldn't you have chest pains if you knew it was john gotti's son? >> i wouldn't have reacted that way. i would have been in a state of shock to hit a boy. >> didn't the mother hit the car

with a baseball bat? she was ticked off. >> she was a grieving mother. i love people -- >> she was enraged. >> i love people who sit back and say, your father this, your mother that. listen, these are parents that lost -- they buried their 12-year-old son. i love people who are so quick to judge and sit back, what happened to this guy? we're talking about a father that's just buried his favorite son, apple of his eye, a mother that can't quite come to trips, terms with the fact her son's never coming home. people act like oh my god, did your mother go around the corner with a baseball bat? she saw the car in the driveway every day with the blood of her son on it. >> how do you remember your father today, vickty? >> i remember him as being very witty, very caring. he was my best friend. >> he was? >> people say to me, why isn't this a daddy dearest book? i can't give it to you because it wasn't. >> thanks, vicki. thanks to fix tor ya gotti and

the rest of my guests for joining me tonight. and thank you for watching. good night, everybody.

breaking news tonight. satsuma, florida. a 5-year-old little girl tucked into bed. five hours later she's gone. vanished. the back door propped wide open. daddy comes home from the night shift to find not a trace of little haleigh. the last person to see the 5-year-old alive that night, new stepmother misty croslin. bombshell tonight. croslin skips town after a bitter fight with haleigh's father, ronald cummings. tonight, police locate croslin. as we go to air, we learn she refuses to talk to police, who

want her re-questioned about haleigh's disappearance. police surveillance on croslin. they say she won't give straight answers or account for crucial hours surrounding the alleged kidnap. in the last hours croslin's mother in a tennessee courtroom on felony forgery out of florida. bond? once a whopping $100,000. now no bond until florida cops take her home. she already publicly states croslin hasn't come clean about the night haleigh vanishes. what else will she tell police now that she's behind bars? croslin's brother confesses in his own jailhouse interrogation, he goes to haleigh's house the night she goes missing, pounds on the door, nobody home. in another development a woman caught on grainy surveillance video delivers a detailed tip as to haleigh's location.

police investigate, and we have the video. where, where was new stepmother misty croslin during those crucial hours when haleigh goes missing? and tonight, where is haleigh? >> if i find whoever has my daughter before y'all do, i'm killing them. i don't care. i'll spend the rest of my life in prison. i'm telling you. you can put it on recording. i don't care. >> days of speculation have ended. haleigh cummings' stepmom, misty croslin, has been found. why did she go away, and what does she know? >> we've been told that she was on a foray to one of the amusement parks. i can confirm she was at universal studios with a friend and she was seen wearing a haleigh pendant around her neck. >> police say they know where to find misty but misty doesn't want to speak with police. >> if people think that i had something to do with it, if i had something to do with it, i knew where she was, we wouldn't be sitting here today. we would have her. >> a tip letter surfaces that gives specific directions to an

alleged burial site where haleigh's body can be found. just a few hundred yards from haleigh's home. stuffed in a garbage bag in a well. >> we're told the letter isn't very long, just a paragraph or so, that ends with someone's initials. but more than seven months after haleigh disappeared it could finally contain information to help crack the case. >> you never know when the one's going to come in that'll make the case, and this could be it. >> misty's mother, lisa croslin, may be questioned yet again by authorities. why? and where is the investigation headed in the desperate attempt to find out what exactly happened to little haleigh? >> i have faith in god to take care of my baby girl and find her. and i don't care who had something to do with it. those are the people who need to be put away. and tonight, live to nashville in the search for a 4 download day old baby boy

snatched by a woman posing as immigration. mommy answers the front door, to be stabbed repeatedly. tonight, mommy makes a desperate plea from the hospital to find her tiny boy. >> i heard a loud beating at the door. "please help me." >> federal agents and nashville police are searching for this missing newborn from tennessee. 4-day-old yajir anthony tarillo is reportedly ripped from his mother's arms. >> she's covered with blood from her head to her toes. >> she said a woman showed up at her house posing as an immigration agent. the woman demanded her baby and stabbed her when she refused to hand him over. >> when miss garrillo said who are you, a struggle ensued. she was stabbed several times. >> she been slashed across the throat. >> perhaps this individual was obsessed with children. perhaps this individual had claimed to be pregnant for a long period of time but never was pregnant. this person has to have friends

or family who know some peculiarity about them. also, after 30 years hiding out in luxury in europe, a hollywood superstar finally behind bars. 30 years ago he admits to raping a 13-year-old little girl at the home of movie star jack nicholson. that little girl testified under oath he also forced anal sodomy on her. she was just 13. tonight, hollywood superstars coming out of the woodwork for polanski's release. they're, quote, shocked. they're shocked. well, they're not shocked he raped and sodomized a 13-year-old little girl, a girl he got drunk on champagne and quaaludes. no. they're shocked he's arrested. shame on hollywood. tonight polanski behind bars. lady justice comes through,

thank heaven, better late than never. there is a disturbing yet growing defense of roman polanski in this country. and it's coming from hollywood. a look at the list of high-profile people who are defending this superstar director. martin scorsese, woody allen, debra winger. >> we hope today this latest order will be dropped. it is based on a three-decade-old case that is all but dead except for a minor technicality. >> this is for me a shock, and i'm ashamed to be swiss, that swiss is doing such a thing to a brilliant, fantastic genius. >> evidence shows that he got a little girl drunk, he gave a little girl drugs, he sodomized a little girl. >> he wanted to take some pictures in the hot tub. i was in there topless.

then he got in the hot tub. that progressed to, you know, eventually why don't you come in here and lay down? into a very dark room. and that's when i really realized what his intentions were. >> she was 13. he was 43. he gave her champagne and a quaalude. she said no. he still went ahead and had unlawful sexual intercourse with her many different ways. >> despite that polanski continues to receive support from hollywood. good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. new stepmother misty croslin skips town after a bitter fight with haleigh's father, ronald cummings. tonight, police track her down. >> i'm just trying to do everything to find her. you know, answer any questions i have to. because i know i didn't do anything with -- to that little girl. i would never hurt her. >> cops say they're keeping a close watch on the last person to see haleigh alive. misty croslin. but misty has a lawyer and doesn't want to speak with police.

>> i've thought all along that she had something to do with it. and now this kind of just proves it. i mean, she's the last one to see our daughter, and her stories just don't add up. >> misty croslin left haleigh's dad, ronald cummings, for days. where did she go, and why did she just come back? >> she was a 16-year-old child whose job was to look after somebody else's two young children. and i can only imagine that this girl would want to get out and have some fun of some kind. >> this as authorities plan to question misty's mom, lisa croslin, with regard to haleigh's disappearance. as early as this week. but why? >> this mother, remember, came out against misty and said that she believed that her son was telling the truth and that misty was not. maybe they want to put her in jail so they can ask tough questions about why she came to such a conclusion. >> it's one paragraph long, typed, and has three letters at the bottom that resemble initials.

>> if the information is accurate it's going to be pretty volatile. >> if they go out and look for the right person, maybe they would have the answers. they're trying to get all the answers from me that i don't have. >> straight out to t.j. hart, program and news director wsky, 97.3. t.j., thank you for being with us. t.j., how long was she actually gone? >> she was gone for the better part of a week. about six to eight days off and on. but she'd been in contact with her family and she's been accounted for. >> and t.j., why is she still refusing to talk to cops? they have told her they want to re-question her about the night haleigh goes missing. >> she has a standing invitation according to major bolling and others at the putnam county sheriff's office to come in anytime she wishes, come in and straighten out that timeline. her attorney has not made an offer to bring her in for

questioning and she has not gone in since the last time she went in for questioning for a week. >> we are taking your calls. lakisha. indiana. hi, lakisha. >> caller: hi, nancy. i watch you every night. >> thank you. and thank you for calling in. what's your question, dealer? >> caller: you're welcome, sweetheart. i was just wondering where is misty cummings tonight and if she's been in touch with ronald since she's been gone all this time? >> marlaina schiavo, what about it? >> misty is in the satsuma area. actually tonight she was with teresa's -- excuse me, she's with ronald's mother, teresa. >> now, when you say she's in the satsuma area, is she back in the home with haleigh's father, ronald cummings? >> yes. she lives in the home. she's back in the home with ronald at ronald's grandmother's. >> so you're telling me they're together? >> that's what i'm being told, nancy. >> so marlaina, after all this time where had she been? i know she doesn't have a job. ronald cummings has put so much

effort into trying to find his missing 5-year-old daughter he has been let go from his job. how does she manage to stay down at disney world for a week in orlando, living it up at epcot? you know how much those tickets cost to get in? >> i do, nancy. and you know, she was with somebody. we don't know who she was with. we're told she was with a friend. but when i spoke to teresa, she said that those -- that the money and -- that went into this trip was paid for by someone she knows. so it was coming from somebody else. it wasn't coming from misty's funds. >> joining me right now is a special guest. teresa neves is with us tonight. this is haleigh's grandmother. miss neves, thank you for being with us. you have supported croslin from the get-go. why won't she speak to police tonight? >> miss nancy, that is a decision made by her attorney. she has gone in several times voluntarily, against his wish. i guess she is waiting on him to

say yes, let's do this.

what's her date of birth? >> i'm going to [ bleep ] kill somebody. >> okay. tell him we understand. we need to get her date of birth. >> what's her date of birth? >> [ bleep ], we need to find her. >> somebody stole my child out of my bed. i come home from work, and my child was not there.

>> i put her to bed and -- about 8:00. and i woke up and she was gone. and the back door was wide open. >> do you believe that misty was indeed home and that she's been telling the truth? >> yeah, i believe she's telling the truth. >> she is still the most important witness in this case. she's the last person to see the children. she was with them. she's an important person to be spoken to. >> they haven't left me alone for six months. i've been the one, the main focus. they just need to move on and look for the right person. >> the officers are going to come out there and do what they can. we can't have him screaming and yelling at the officers whenever they get there. okay? >> uh-huh. >> i got better people to talk to than a [ bleep ] [ bleep ] who ain't coming. >> why are you so sure haleigh is still with us? >> because i stand on god's promise that if you pray and believe that he will give you what you pray for. >> joining us right now is haleigh's grandmother. you just saw her. teresa neves. miss neves, does croslin, misty

croslin, haleigh's stepmother, realize the firestorm she created by dropping out of sight for all these days in the midst of the search for haleigh? >> i do not think so, miss nancy. i don't think anyone thought that it would be that big a deal. there were arrangements made for her and ronald to do something with junior. those arrangements had to be changed, and misty just continued on with those plans without ronald and junior. >> then why couldn't anyone seem to tell us exactly where she was during that time? >> i don't know why anyone couldn't tell you that, because i could tell you. >> really? there were so many conflicting reports about where she had been. miss neves, again, you are stating that you believe she's waiting for the okay from her lawyer to talk to police. >> yes, ma'am. >> okay. in light of the fact that her

new stepchild, her little girl is missing and police want to talk to her, hopefully to clear up questions and find the child, don't you think she should be at the police station right now instead of waiting for a possible call from a lawyer? >> my personal opinion, that attorney should have made this trip six months ago. but i cannot tell that attorney how to do his job. >> but you can. i mean, she is with you. she is with you and ronald at your home. you can. you and ronald can talk to her. >> yes, ma'am, we can. and we have. but we cannot make her attorney do anything. >> miss neves, she said at one juncture that she believes up to four people were in the home the night haleigh went missing but then chalked it up to a dreamlike interlude that she had.

what does she say about that? who were the people in the home that evening? >> miss nancy, i have not seen that. i have asked her about it. she says that that did not happen. you know, if i haven't seen it and i can't prove it, then i can't actually confront her with something that she says did not happen. >> miss neves, i don't mean to grill you, but it just doesn't all fit together. you've got her brother claiming he came to the home that evening at 9:30 to 9:45. she said she didn't go to sleep until 10:00 p.m. he says he banged on the door to get in touch with her and nobody came. how does she respond to that? was she really home? >> she still stands firm on the fact that she was at home. to me it's a very dysfunctional family, and that's the best way i can describe that. one minute they -- you know, they say one thing, and then the

next minute they call and say, well, i was sorry, you know, i didn't mean to say that and we'll do better next time. so i just don't know what to think of the whole thing. >> we are taking your calls live. to valerie in canada. hi, valerie. >> caller: hi, nancy, how are you tonight? >> i'm good, dear, thank you for calling in. what's your question? >> caller: i'm just curious. do you think that perhaps haleigh's kidnapping could be some form of retaliation to perhaps money that misty may have been owing to the people she was allegedly partying with that weekend and -- >> good question. we know that misty croslin was a-wol prior for three days, the three days just before the little girl goes missing. let's unleash the lawyers. susan moss, child advocate new york. renee rockwell, defense attorney atlanta. paul batista, renowned defense attorney, author of "death's witness." joining us from new york. renee rockwell, that only happens in the movies. all right? you don't steal somebody's child

to get, for instance, a drug debt back. if they want money out of you, they come and break your knees. they chase you down and beat you up. that's how that works. would you agree or disagree? >> well, nancy, i do agree that that is a fantastic explanation as to where the child is. but when you're fooling around with drugs and you have people potentially taking drugs or drugs lying around, it's very easy to imagine that something may have gone amiss -- >> okay. >> -- if everybody's just passed out on the couch. >> well, going amiss, cheryl mccollum, and kidnapping for a drug debt or some other debt are to different things. >> absolutely, nancy. and again, there's been no ransom, there's been no call we're doing this for retaliation. not what happened.

we can't have him screaming and yelling at the officers whenever they get there. okay? >> uh-huh. >> give me my [ bleep ] phone. i've got better people to talk to than a [ bleep ] [ bleep ] who ain't coming. >> they haven't left me alone for six months.

i've been the one, the main focus. they just need to move on and look for the right person. >> i believe haleigh is alive. i have faith in god to take care of my baby girl and to find her. and i don't care who had something to do with it. those are the people who need to be put away and bring my baby girl home. >> right now marc klaas is joining us, president and founder of klaaskids foundation, child advocate. she's back in town. police have located her, have tracked her down, but new stepmother misty croslin is not speaking to police. that's over. marc klaas, when your little girl went missing, you practically laid on the steps of the police station and said please, take my dna, polygraph me, hook me up, do it now. i don't want to wait so you can find who took her. >> and that happened 16 years ago tomorrow, on october 1st. here's the problem.

what misty needs to do is come forward and tell the truth. and she's obviously not doing that because there are inconsistencies in her very self-serving story. and the truth doesn't have versions. at least not coming from one person. ironically, it seems like the last holdout, the last person that is really giving her an ability to not go out and tell the truth is wrong, who seems to have become her enabler through this whole thing. ron and his family. it seems to me they should put their foot down and tell misty that the time for being vague is over. it may very well be that she doesn't know what happened to the little girl that night. but that doesn't mean she was there or wasn't there. she's not being truthful. the police don't know what happened. and they need to know. >> t.j. ward, private investigator. weigh in, t.j. >> hey, nancy. how are you? >> good. >> let me tell you, i let her -- i went down there to florida on her request because she failed two polygraphs and wanted to clear her name.

she in fact, when she talked about going to sleep and laying down, it's a false statement, deception. that's one of the things that bothered me. she says she woke up. another inaccuracy. i asked her directly, i said do you know anything about haleigh going missing? and she said no, i do not. nothing at all. inaccuracy. deception. again, i said do you know any persons that may be involved aboukinow." inaccuracy.

the suspect, a woman, knocked heavily on the door. the mother, maria garillo, came to the door. >> she told us the woman came to her door and said she was immigration and she was going to arrest her. and she asked her to identify herself, and the woman began to hit her and pulled out a knife and began to stab her. >> covered from blood to her head all the way down to her toes. >> she suffered nine stab wounds. >> got big holes in her neck from being stabbed. she then slashed across the throat. >> she was able to get out of the house and run across the street for help.

and when she returned the baby was gone. >> she kept saying they're after me. i said we got you right here. you don't have to worry about them after you no more. >> an amber alert has been issued for missing yair garillo. >> who could stab new mom and take a 5-day-old baby like this. >> straight out to mark stewart with wsmz. a mother answers the door to whom she thinks is an immigration agent. the woman, the assailant is a woman? that's highly unusual, mark. who stabs the mother repeatedly. the face, the chest, the breast, all over her body. and snatches the 4-day-ole baby? >> nancy, that does seem perhaps unlikely, but it's the only theory at least publicly that police are talking about. they say perhaps this woman knew that maria had just given birth to a son and perhaps followed her, targeted her, wanted a child herself and perhaps orchestrated this attack.

that's the leading theory, at least publicly, police are saying. and off the record, discussions with our sources, we're hearing nothing else. >> well, obviously, that is what happened, because the only thing she took was the baby boy. kate howard with the "tennessean." what can you tell me about the circumstances? >> there's not too much known about it at this time except for the fact this woman, the mother did not know the woman who came to her door that day. she said she had never seen her before in her life. and now of course police are looking into the possibility that she had in fact been followed, possibly by that woman earlier in the day although all they know is a car was following her, they don't know who was driving. >> with me right now is sharon kimball. she is joining us there in front of the home where a stabbing and kidnap of a 4-day-old baby boy took place. she helped the mother after the stabbing. out to sharon kimball joining us exclusively. miss kimball, thank you for being with us. also with her, eric peterson, also a neighbor. miss kimball, what happened when

the mom, when you first saw the mom following the stabbing? >> well, when she came to my door, she said please help me. she said someone -- a woman has stabbed me and she has taken my baby, she's going to kill my baby. >> miss kimble, when you first saw her, when you saw her, the mother, what did she look like? >> she was covered in blood. blood was gushing out of the side of her neck. it was coming down her face. it was all down her body. it was just dripping everywhere. >> miss kimble, this is an important question. did she have anything in the front yard like blue balloons or one of those stork posters or anything celebrating bringing the baby home? >> yes. it was something there saying a baby boy was born at a hospital.

he was a new arrival. >> to eric peterson, also joining us there in nashville, tennessee. everyone, a young mother answers the door, to whom she thinks is immigration on a routine check. instead, she sees a woman who immediately there at the front door begins stabbing her repeatedly. why? to steal her 4-day-old infant. eric peterson is also joining us. eric, what can you add? >> oh, i just heard a loud beating at the door continuously. i finally answered the door, and this lady was completely covered in blood. all over. stuff was dripping all out of her hands. i thought it was a gag. i asked her, what's going on here? she said, "please help me." and i saw the fear in her. and then i knew something was going down. >> what did she do? what, did she want to use your phone? what did she need?

>> no. she wanted to come in and shut that door and told me to go get her kids. told me it was a white lady in the kitchen that was going to kill the newborn child. so i told her she couldn't come in dripping blood like that. i told her hold on, let me go get somebody to take care of you. so i immediately went and got miss kimble from out back. and miss kimble started attending to her. then i asked her if -- what type of weapon did the lady have. it was obvious that she had been hit with a butcher knife, but i wanted to make sure. once i found out what type of weapon she had, i immediately went around the house and got my dog, and we went down to the house. >> so eric -- eric peterson, eric, hold on. hold on. i know you're outside and there's traffic going by. mr. peterson, you actually went back to the house, and you thought the lady with the knife may still be in there? >> oh, yes, ma'am.

i just knew she was in there. but when i got down there, it was a lady in a gray two-door honda tried to run over me and the dog. i really didn't pay that much attention to her. she was a white lady, brown hair in a ponytail, and she went on by real quick after she tried to hit me. >> now, wait a minute. you're saying it was a honda and what color? >> it was a gray honda. two-door. all grayish. >> okay. dark -- >> like it's been sitting in the sun. >> oh, so light gray? >> dark gray. like it's been sitting in the sun for a long time. >> to clark goldband, on our story. the lookout i've got is a black four. door sedan that may look like a police car. but he's telling me something completely different.

you are seeing video of the mother at the hospital begging for the return of her infant chifd just 4 days old -- what about the discrepancy? peterson is telling me it's a light blue honda, two-door. >> now, nancy, to complicate things a little more, a press conference just wrapped up a few moments ago where law enforcement said they're also searching for a kia spectra that was seen in the area in a walmart parking lot just hours before the attack on the mom. they believe that person may be a witness. there has been some discrepancy on that vehicle you had talked about. law enforcement still trying to sort that out. but they believe it is the four-door black sedan that looks like a police vehicle. >> okay. back to eric peterson, the lookout on the female that i've got is a white female, a white woman about 30 years old, 5'4", heavyset, blonde hair pulled back into a ponytail, black blouse, blue jeans. does that fit the description that you observed, eric peterson?

>> i come very close to that car, me and my dog. i seen a white woman. how old she was, i could not tell you. but she wasn't very old. i can say that. >> to dr. evelyn manaya, an expert in her field, the condition of this 4-day-old child -- when my twins were 4 days old, they were still in the icu. >> that's right, nancy. that's right. you know, the condition of this poor child is that obviously the child has to be taken care of. it can get dehydrated, as you already know, very fast. and you even pointed out on monday's show that the baby needs to be always on its back. now, he looks a little heavy. the baby looks like he's about eight something, eight pounds nine ounces, eight pounds ten ounces or so. so you know, he also needs to be fed more frequently. so that means every two hours. and it's very important. not only that. they're more susceptible to infections. everything. you know? >> got it. to susan moss. this is not the first time that

a female has done violence to get a baby. weigh in, susan moss. >> absolutely. unfortunately, it is not uncommon. mom was stabbed, the child was grabbed, and this perp needs to be nabbed. luckily, law enforcement is taking this very, very seriously. and i don't think anyone in this community is going to rest until the perps are brought to justice. >> paul batista, i guess your defense is going to be insanity? >> well, we haven't met her yet, nancy. we have to figure out who she is and what she's like -- >> when did that ever stop you? >> but it is a possible defense, nancy. it depends on who the perpetrator is. >> all right. we'll all be right back. we're taking your calls live. to tonight's safety tip. criminals target anybody. but with preparation you can be one step ahead and prevent a mugging. if possible, don't travel alone. groups deter muggers. avoid unfamiliar locations. stay alert and aware of your surroundings. it's so easy to become blase. don't make yourself a target. keep valuables out of sight. don't flash expensive jewelry. don't show off large amounts of cash. learn self-defense.

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it's vitally important that the community be on the lookout for an individual, for a woman, who has a child inexplicably. a person who was not pregnant but all the sudden is carrying around a child who meets this particular child's description. the abductor once again is described as a heavyset white woman, approximately 5'4" tall who had her blond hair in a ponytail on tuesday afternoon. we're also being told that she spoke some spanish. >> it's not the first time a woman has committed violence, although it's extremely rare for women to commit this type of violence, especially in order to steal a baby. lisa montgomery killed bobbie jo stinnett, cut the child out of her body.

effie good sonl, michelle beeker, karina roberts, angela dimament. the list goes on and on and on. violence inflicted by women to get babies. and to you, paul batista. you're saying you haven't met her, so you don't know what the defense is going to be. it's always insanity. come on, tell the truth. you've got eric peterson, the neighbor, she tries to run him down. he got a good look at her. the victim lived. i'm sure she regrets that, the perpetrator regrets that. everybody saw her. she has nowhere to go. so her defense cannot be not guilty unless it's not guilty by reason of insanity. >> well, nancy, obviously any competent lawyer who finally meets this client is going to have to really explore that defense. and it may be the only defense. >> put him back up on the screen. >> but it depends on what she is really like. >> she is really like? a kidnapper and a would-be murderer.

that's what she's really like. >> the fact that it's a heinous crime does not mean necessarily, nancy, that she's insane within the meaning of the law. it has to be evaluated. >> you know what? you know what? i know that. i'm worried that you don't know that. but thank you for clearing that up, paul batista. caryn stark, help me out. i need a shrink. >> okay, nancy. even though it's unusual for women to be violent, not baby snatchers. they are desperate. these are people who really believe this is their baby, and they're going to kill in order to have their baby. they've convinced themselves that they're determined, they're allowed to have this baby. >> and they're also convinced that they would make a better mother. you know, after covering all of these stories, there was no way i was going to put a sign up, a balloon. nothing in the front yard when i brought the twins home. i brought them home with a blanket over their head. i want to go back to marc klaas. what do we do to find the baby,

marc klaas? >> well, first of all, you know, these kinds of crimes used to happen in hospitals until hospitals clamped down on security. and now they're happening in the community. what we have to do is stop advertising the fact that we have newborn babies in our homes because, as you said, these kinds of crimes are happening with increasing regularity and we're covering one every couple of months. and this just can't be. these mothers deserve to be at home with their little children so they can raise them in a loving -- and a nurturing environment. >> marc klaas, you are preaching to the choir. after reading this story, i guarantee you i'm going to be up pacing the house all night looking out the windows. okay. very quickly, i want to go to sheryl mccollum. you're the director of the cold case squad. how would you go about finding this baby and solving this case? >> you're going to tell the public to pay attention. any friend or family member that's giving you some bogus story about why they suddenly have a baby, it's bogus. call the authorities. >> so now we're relying on the

public. everyone, the tip number, 615-862-8600. mommy's in the hospital covered with would-be fatal wounds. this 4-day-old baby boy is with a psychotic would-be killer. 615-862-8600. don't be tricked by the fact the perpetrator is a woman. we are switching gears very quickly and taking your calls. a famous hollywood megastar collides with lady justice. take a listen. >> fellow filmmakers are rallying behind oscar winner roman polanski as his attorneys file a motion to have him released. >> he photographed me topless. he'd seen me topless. i just was thinking, well, this is very european, it must be all right. >> in all, 138 people including directors woody allen, pedro almodovar, and martin scorsese, among others in the film

industry, signed a petition against his arrest. >> i said no. i didn't fight him off. i said no, no, i don't want to go in there. no, i don't want to do this. no. and then i didn't know what else to do. we were alone. >> recently unsealed grand jury testimony included a 13-year-old victim's story of being plied with champagne, part of a quaalude, then being raped and sodomized by a 43-year-old man. >> i need to go home because i'm not feeling well. and then that progressed to, you know, eventually why don't you come in here and lay down? into a very dark room. and that's when i really realized, you know, what his intentions were. >> now, after 30 years after roman polanski, the megastar hollywood director, admits under oath he raped a 13-year-old girl, her sworn testimony is that he also anally raped her, he's finally arrested after 30 years hiding out in his luxury chalet in europe.

and hollywood is shocked? eh, eh. they're shocked he's arrested. why weren't they shocked when he raped a 13-year-old girl he had high on champagne and quaaludes? that's my question tonight. tom o'neil, senior editor "in touch weekly," hit me. >> 138 filmmakers disagree with you, nancy. and with me. they signed this petition that demands his immediate release because he was nabbed unfairly, they say. that he was en route to a film festival. and -- >> what's unfair about that? >> i know. they say that there's something sacred about film festivals, that -- >> okay. who is "they?" woody allen, who was accused of taking photos of his minor adopted daughter -- >> mm-hmm. >> that's an endorsement. martin scorsese, penelope cruz, tilda swinton, michael mann. who else?

who am i missing? >> inaratu, the director of "babel." >> guillermo del toro. david lynch. okay. so they are petitioning who for his release? >> they're petitioning the government petitioning the government of switzerland to let him go because he was nabbed unfairly at an international cultural event and they should be exempt. the parallel they are making, at film festivals, they let guerilla filmmakers in. when there is political differences, those were set aside to come into a country. not when there were criminal charges. >> this director said under oath he raped a 13-year-old. he said this case is 30 years old. we are taking your calls. happy retirement to georgia friend bo ryles from the georgia 4 h founding a, one of the largest foundations of the world. he was a 4 her and a direct

coordinator. georgia 4 h considered the beflt program in the country. his portrait on display at 4 h auditorium. an avid runner, his favorite joy is sundown with his son and time with his mom and sweetheart, wife of 25 years, becky. congratulations, bo ryles.

lady justice catches up with a hollywood superstar who 30 years ago pled guilt to raping a 13-year-old child and now hollywood is whining he should be released. we are taking your calls. sheeba in illinois, hi. >> caller: this is disgusting. >> a agree. >> caller: he raped her and sodomized her. her life is ruined up to this point. she has got to have all kinds of problems to this point. he should be sent over here and have to do his sentence and i hope the judge that sentenced him is still alive. >> i agree with you and i can only hope that the judge is

listening tonight. what more can you me? >> a lot of the support for polanski is based on the documentary that came out. in that -- >> all the support? you mean woody allen who married his underage daughter? okay. go ahead. >> in this documentary, a prosecutor who is retired claims he had a conversation with the judge on the case and they strategized about how they could go back on the plea deal, send polanski back to jail. he told marcia clark from the o.j. case, she has an article about it, he said i lied. all diwas show the judge a picture of him celebrating at october fest. the judge decided to send him back to jail. >> the plea that was a negotiated plea. if the judge rejected that, he would have had the right to go to trial.

let's stop and remember marine corporal steven chavez who lost his life hours after talking to his dad and week before he was set to come home. he wanted to enlist in 6th grade and would always wear camouflage. loved outdoors and catching and sports and playing guitar. dreamed of starting a band, follow jim to freedom. leaves eddie and no velda and brother and sister. thanks to our guests and a special good night from georgia friends of the show, donna and susan. both dedicated mothers and both beautiful. i will say you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp eastern. until then, good night, friend.

>> just some of what we will be talking about. jon gosselin said stop the divorce? didn't he say he despises kate? is it because he got fire friday jon and kate? sorry, jon, you blew it. new blockbuster, mackenzie phillips's revelation about her affair with her famous father. she said her dad, john phillips paid for her abortion. the brand-new all out war over roman polanski. who is defending this guy and who said he should be locked up. what's with the stars falling? literally. what's tripping them up? you have to see this. that's our news break. tv's most provocative entertainment news show at the top of the hour.