tonight, jon gosselin says, stop the divorce? wait, didn't he say he despisesicate sn what about his apparent womanizing? now jon feels bad? is it because he got fire friday jon and kate? sorry, jon. "showbiz tonight" says you blew it. big news breaking. brand-new blockbuster mackenzie fillins revelations about her sexual relationship with her famous father. a short time ago, mackenzie said

her dad, john phillips paid for her abortion. >> he paid for it and i never let him touch me again. >> her own half sister doesn't believe her story. the all out hollywood war over roman polanski. who is defending him and who said he should be locked up. >> the stars are divide and speaking out. tv's first, most provocative entertainment news show starts now. i'm aj hammer broadcasting from new york city. "showbiz tonight" is going out on a here. we are thinking jon gosselin is kicking himself right now as we speak. tonight we have one thing to say to you, jon. you blew it. jon got can friday his tlc hit

show jon and kate plus eight. is he calling for a truce and ending the battle with his ex-? it looks like jon is eating his words and back pedalling in a big way. he is reportedly filed for a delay in the divorce that rocked hollywood. why now? i have a few guesses, but no matter how you slice it, this new chapter in the jon and kate saga led to big news breaking today. it's the jon gosselin peace plan. within hours of finding out tlc was firing him from the show, jon launched into full peace keeping mode filing a document to suspend his divorce for 90 days so they can get on better terms. not only that, jon is apologizing out the wa zoo. he dropped his bombshell in an interview with in touch magazine saying i regret my conduct

sinceicate and i separated. i used poor judgment in publicly socializing with other women so soon. his lawyer said he woke up and looked in the mirror and realized he made bad choices. >> big bad choices. after announcing the split, jon started living the bachelor lifestyle big time. a slew of incriminating photos and stories that wound up on the covers of magazines around the world. now jon says he's going to change his ways by postponing their divorce for 90 days. he told in touch magazine this will enableicate and me to improve our relationship. i hope she will be as enthusiastic as i am to do what is best for our family. do you know what we have to say? too late, jonny. you blew it.

>> jon has put a 90-day halt on the divorce proceedings saying he wants to open the lines of communication and work on coparenting and he regrets stepping out in public with other women so soon after they split. ha ha ha! >> the women of the view were not buying jon gosselin's overtures of peace. >> is this the same man who did an interview and said i detest that woman? >> yes, barbara, it is. just three weeks ago he went on prime time and dropped this. >> i can't sit right now on someone that i despise. >> despise? >> she is not speaking from the heart. i don't trust her anymore. i was abused. i'm not going back at that. i was married at 22 and had twins at 23 and sextuplets at

27. >> he had a deep need to open up communications with kate. he said jon acknowledges that he used poor judgment by using his newfound freedom and engaging in public displays with other women and stating in an interview he despised his wife. let's face it. the time suggest suspicious. he extended the olive branch the same day he got the boot. >> the time suggest suspicious. he is running around and acting like a playboy, but when he is losing out on money, he is saying hey, let's make it work. we reached out for kate for reaction, but so far, silence. kate might accept jon's overture. she said call me crazy, but down deep i have hope that one morning the phone will ring and it will be him back to normal

saying hey, how are you or even okay, that was really weird. aliens overtook me and i'm back. will she take him back? >> i can't say she will welcome him back with open arms. i think it's too little, too late for him to say my gosh, i misjudged the situation and i have been acting like a jerk. he did for the past four months. >> will it be forgive and forget or is the apology too little, too late? joining me tonight, celebrity editor from hollywood.com and a senior editor for "in touch weekly" on stands right now. jon gosselin is trying to mend his very tarnished image and his broken relationship with kate. he is saying you know what, i made bad decisions. let me start with you. your magazine got the interview. do you think now that he is kicked off the show, it's suddenly donning on him and he

blew it? >> i have to say in his event and in kate's defense, they have cameras that follow them around and stick mikes in their face at any point. if i had someone following me around any time i got upset or annoyed at something, i would say things i regret too. if it was flashed on tv every day on the covers of magazines, i might have regrets as well. having said that, it's not been that long and he got in every cliche possible for someone on the rebound and parties in vegas and got a bachelor pad and dates younger women and hair plugs and not much else for him to do that's left that he can react out against. obviously he is regretting some things and we will have to see what happens next. she apologizing and regretting what he is doing. we will have to see how that plays out. >> i couldn't agree more about

the pressure. when you have the cameras in your face and you say things off the cuff, but i have to go back to the interview where he had time to think about the things he was saying including he despised kate. just this morning, whoopie goldberg summed it up on how she felt about the proposal to delay his divorce and work on the relationship with kate. let's look at that. >> he wants to open the lines of communication and work on coparenting and he regrets stepping out so soon after they split. ha ha ha! >> i'm thinking her laugh says it all. when you think about it, the way jon acted over the past two months, are we expected to believe jon is just now regretting his actions? >> this is one of the funniest epiphanies i have seen in a long time. jon has been digging himself into a hole for months and we have the tiny voice coming from

the bottom of the mine shaft saying do you think i blew it? too little, too late and nobody believes him. the divorce is not off, it's still on. i don't understand what he hopes to achieve in this 90-day hiatus. >> it is all very strange. we have seen what's gone on with jon. he publicly flaunted his relationship with haley, the 22-year-old daughter of kate's plastic surgeon and he admitted he loved haley more than he ever loved kate. jon is telling in touch his public love affair was unfair to kate. >> i regret my conduct and i used poor judgment publicly socializing with other women so soon. it wasn't that long ago that jon said he despises kate. real together back in, i'm shocked he changed his tune so

radically. are you with me on that? >> think for sure. we heard in the interview that, just happened. kate was saying things too and i have to say if they are expose to the media, people are willing to give them a microphone and ask them to say things, they will say things they regret. people often put something out on twitter and delete the message. if you have the access to let the world know how you feel, i'm not saying that is defendable because they have kids that will day read all about this and see all about it and they have been criticized for it. i think that's one excuse or explanation. >> it's all very mysterious and the timing, he has just been kicked off his show. >> for does help ratings. >> there you go. let's go over to you. here's the question of the day. did he deserve to be fired from jon and kate? here's where you vote. here's where you e-mail.

let me tell you the stars are taking sides. the lines in the sand are being drawn. there is an all out war over roman polanski. >> it mix me worry what does it mean for other 12 or 13-year-olds who are being drugged and seduced. >> who thinks he should be locked up for having sex with a 13-year-old girl. the stars are speaking out. just today, john travolta's revelations about how he was shaken down for $25 million just after his son jett died. you have to hear his emotional words. when it comes to stars, the bigger they are, the harder they fall. what it with all these fallen stars. why are they tripping up? this is "showbiz tonight" on

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side effect. did you see this? falling stars. former house majority leader tom delay almost drops his partner and conan o'brien hangs his head hard. what is with the falling stars lately? >> from the tango to the tonight show to a bull riding ring. no bull. it has been a dangerous few days for the celebs on the public stage. with no further delay, we bring you the latest on tom delay, the former house majority leader's most recent routine on dancing with the stars. admittedly we had a field day when he danced in the brown span decks outfit. he almost redeemed himself with the tango. the judges used words like -- >> i liked it until the end. you have to use that and squeeze

them together, sir. >> even squeezing them together wouldn't have saved him from almost dropping his partner. >> how much did that girl weigh? >> the culprit could have his previously injured foot. conan o'brien racing with terri hatcher. >> you okay? >> oh, yeah. >> no, he wasn't. he had a concussion. >> let's see a slow motion replay of what happened. i believe i won. >> no wonder his memory was fog when they took him to the hospital. >> one of the questions was how many nickels in $1.35. >> that are would be 27, conan. >> you were that close to being back on at 11:30. >> this guy was close to being stomped by a bull.

legendary linebacker junior seau is used to getting run over by football players, but not a bull. seconds later he was on his feet, tossing his hat and it's dangerous being famous. tom delay could teach conan o'brien how to slide safely. >> tom delay is getting delayed from getting kicked off dancing with the stars. they announced he will live to dance another week despite the fact that he almost dropped his dancing partner. we are getting a ton of calls over roman polanski. should he be shipped back to the u.s. or left alone even though he had sex with a 13-year-old girl 30 years ago? we have a call from donna in california who thinks roman should serve time. >> my god, this man committed an act of rape against a child.

i cannot believe anyone -- it wasn't even a charge. it is an admitted offense against a child. oh, my gosh, he needs to go to prison like everybody else. >> thank you, donna. >> we heard from chris from north carolina. chris does not get why stars are defending roman. >> caller: i'm surprised and disgusted that there is a debate over roman polanski. he's a child molester and had sex with a 13-year-old. i don't care who he is. he needs to be brought up to criminal charges and brought back to the states. he has hidden and it's disgusting that anyone would be celebrating a coward like that. >> you can call us and let us know what you think about this hot topic. the phone lines are always open. that's where you can leave a voice mail so we can play your

call. we are posting them online on our home page. tonight, i can you there is a brand-new all out war over roman polanski. some stars are defending him and some are disgusted by him. the battle lines are drawn and the stars are speaking out to "showbiz tonight." should roman go to jail? should people leave him alone. it is a not to be missed debate. mackenzie phillips's incest shockers. >> when are did it end? >> it ended when i became pregnant. >> was it his baby? >> wait until you see this. the one day at a time star drops a bombshell. did her father get her pregnant? why mackenzie's half sister doesn't believe her story? john travolta's painful revelations out for the first time. the dramatic details of how he

said he was allegedly shaken down for $25 million right after his son, jett, died. this is "showbiz tonight" on hln and now the "showbiz news ticker." more stories making news right now.

welcome back to "showbiz tonight." we have to give it up for my family member, joy behar. a great show, but you don't have to take it from me. even the "new york post's" linda stacy, one of the toughest critics out there loves joy. the smartest new talk show of the tv season that can turn out to be the smartest news show on television, period. on "the view," the ladies congratulated her, but wanted to know if it will go to her head. >> you will be impossible now. >> i missed you girl last night.

i had to interrupt myself. >> the think i think i enjoyed watching you, the "new york post" called you the busiest working woman on television. i thought it was funny. huh the comic timing. you are naturally funny. i laugh and i thought about things. when they said it's the american way to carry guns and janine said if a bunch of black people walked in with guns, you would see how american it would be. i was screaming at the tv. >> thank you very much. >> once again, welcome. our facebook page is sizzling and hundreds of you have written about jon getting fired and the famous for nothing kardashians. i know they have a clothing store and a fragrance out that means they do a lot more than jon and who are parents on tv.

if jon and kate can be famous, why not the kardashians? linda said it is time for both jon and to leave the lime light. if kate gets a talk show, i will not only not watch, but i will boycott the show and its sponsors. now the lineup of what's coming up at the bottom of the hour on "showbiz tonight." a brew new all out hollywood war over roman polanski. >> what are does that mean for other 12 or 13-year-old girls who are being drugged or seduced? >> some defend roman and some are disgusted by him. tonight, the stars are speaking out to "showbiz tonight." a short time ago, mackenzie phillips spoke out about more shocking incest revelations. did her father get her pregnant and pay for an abortion.

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>> was it his baby? >> also tonight, why her own half sister said she doesn't believe the claims. for the first time, john travolta reveals the story of how he said he was shaken down for $25 million after his son died. more stories breaking from the "showbiz news ticker." tv's first most provocative news show continues right now. welcome back to "showbiz tonight." it is 30 minutes past the hour. i'm broadcasting tonight and every night from new york city. roman war. the brand-new all out hollywood battle over roman polanski is erupting tonight. a bitter divide brewing in hollywood over the famed director's fate. first there is all the support for polanski following his

arrest on a decades old underage sex case. it all started at the zurich film festival where he was supposed to be honored for his work, but stars rallied around him. >> we're hope today this latest order will be dropped. it is based on a three-decade old case that is all but dead except for a technicality. >> new outrage from the biggest stars in hollywood. joy behar sumg up the outrage on "the view," taking on supporters like debra winger. >> i don't think if he were a plumber she would support him. >> the founder of 15 minutes public relations and the author of where is my 15 minutes? leslie marshall is host of the leslie marshall radio show. i want you guys to hear what joy behar said this morning on "the

view" about the star who is have been supporting him. i have to tell you she is pulling no punches. >> debra winger who is backing him. i don't think if he were a plumber she would support him and half the people on this list would not support a person who molested a child. >> the list she is referring to is the petition. you are right there in the thick of it. i have a hard time arguing with joy's logic. do you think she makes a good point? >> you have to understand what this case is about, a.j. it's not about what he did 30 years ago which nobody applauds. everyone condemns. it's about a miscarriage of the justice. this is 30 years later and we are in a state that is broke. we are talking about 40,000 people being released from the california jails by an order of the court. we have a limited amount of money. kids are being shot every day in south central l.a. that we do

nothing about and this is about political grandstanding by the district attorney and the justice system for their own ends. that's what the case is really about. >> leslie, let me ask you when you hear stars rallying around crying free roman polanski, how can they separate themselves from the charges that he raped this 13-year-old girl? i don't understand even if it's not what the case is about how they can distinguish themselves from that. >> i don't get this. this guy is a fugitive. this guy has a warrant for his arrest. this guy raped, admits to raping a 13-year-old child who was not mentally or emotionally prepared to have any sexual relationship and the law states that it's statutory rape, period. not a question of consent. i don't care how much in debt the united states is. what do we tell a 13-year-old child victim looking back years

ago, what do we tell that person, i'm sorry it's too expensive to prosecute. i'm sorry your virginity was broken and relationships were screwed up. sorry. it's too expensive. that's wrong. i don't understand what's wrong with hollywood and anybody defending this man. you don't need to be a parent. i was a 13-year-old girl. a 13-year-old girl is a child. he raped a child. he is a rapist and he belongs in jail. >> no question it's a complex story and we are hear being it from all sides. there is an interview with the sister of roman polanski's late wife, sharon tate. the sister spoke out. sharon tate was murdered by the followers of charles manson in 1969. watch what her sister had to say about all of this. >> there is as i said rape and then there is rape. it was determined that roman did not forcibly have sex with her.

it was a consensual matter. i am a victim's advocate and i know the difference. >> i have to be honest, i'm confused by her comments. do you think debra tate is speak for a lot of stars who are defending roman and putting their names on the petition to have him freed? >> i'm not sitting here arguing. a lot of people are not arguing about the righteousness of what he did. it was wrong what he did, a.j. the truth is, getting back to leslie's comment, we make decisions all the time in the justice system. justice is not black or white. it's gray about who to prosecute and the greater threat to society. we are looking at a man that is no threat to society and while he made a mistake more than three decades ago, he lived an exemplary life and a good life. that's really what it's about. politicizing this decision and the grandstanding that is going on here. nobody is defending his action.

>> there a lot of stars who are on the other side of the roman war. "showbiz tonight" was at the rock event in los angeles. they were out there on the red carpet. lisa kudrow did not mince words. >> a 13-year-old girl is a 13-year-old girl. what makes me worried is what does that mean for other 12 or 13-year-old girls who are being drugged or seduced? >> it's back to your point. on the one hand we have stars like lisa speaking out against him and big name stars like woody allen putting their names on the line and signing a petition to have him freed. whatever the reason may be behind why they want him freed, it's still coming back to what he originally did. i hear everything that you are saying here, but leslie, are you surprised more stars are not taking a stand against this guy because obviously this story is

now bubbled up to the surface and everyone is talking about it. >> like joy said, if he were a plumber saying he is talented? he had a great life, but because he had a great life, it's time for that to stop and him to face the music and be incarcerated for what he did. lisa kudrow said what kind of a message are we sending? i commend her for that. 1 in 10 rapes is reported. whether you are 16, 16, 30 or 70, we will have less and less women coming forward when they have been raped because they are going to say there is no justice for the victims and that's what i think this will be about if roman polanski is not held responsibility for the guilt he admitted to. >> this hollywood war caught the attention of viewers all day. phone lines have been raging and here's a call i want to play. at the end of the day, the law is the law, celebrity or not. >> i think hollywood is

supporting someone who has done great film work over the last 30 decades since he has been a fugitive of the law. do i believe in forgiveness? of course i do. his victim has, but it doesn't change the fact that he admitted to having sex with a minor child. he fled the country and he had all this success being a fugitive of the law. whether he forgive him or not, he must pay the price for breaking the law. hollywood needs to remember that. >> you deal with stars all the time and understand you are saying that their point is not that they argue with what he did and the fact that it was a heinous crime, but do stars need to be careful about the association they will have in support of roman polanski. it can appear they are supporting a guy who committed a heinous crime. >> i think a lot of stars have given it a lot of thought and i think a lost them studied the case and a lost stars have a

history of fighting for justice, even in the case of capital punishment and other issues like that. we are not arguing over someone's guilt. we are arguing over how we allocate justice in this country. >> we have to end it there. thanks, guys. as we move on tonight, the breaking revelations from mackenzie phillips about her relationship with her father. this is new tonight. on cnn's "larry king live," she exposes another bombshell about having sex with her dad. >> when are did it end? >> it ended when i became pregnant. >> was it his baby? >> you are not going to believe what her half sister is saying about mackenzie's disturbing claims. you will not want to miss the john travolta testimony. for the first time, the details from john travolta himself of how he said he was shaken down for $25 million after his son's

death. tori spelling's medical mystery. she rushed to the hospital not once, but twice. she in severe pain. what could be wrong with her? time now for more stories from the newsroom making news right now.

. the brand-new claims from mackenzie fillins about a relationship with her father and why her sister said she is lying. that's one of two stories breaking just hours ago. mackenzie phillips exposes a bombshell claiming her father paid for her abortion and her half sister, bijou phillips said don't believe her. john travolta spoke on behalf of an extortion case. he explains how he was shaken down for $25 million. joining me tonight in new york,

a celebrity editor and in hollywood, a senior editor for "in touch weekly." one day at a time star mackenzie phillips speaking out about claims about an incentuous relationship with her father. just hours ago on cnn's "larry king live," she claims it ended when she got pregnant and her father paid to have an abortion. >> when did it end? >> it ended when i became pregnant. >> was it his baby? >> i don't know. >> were you sleeping with someone else? >> my son's father. >> it could have been his baby. >> it could have, but the implications of such were so disturbing to me. >> did you have an abortion? >> yes, i did. >> did you your father? >> he paid for it and i never

let him touch me again. >> do the new details support the argument that you can't make this stuff up? >> it's impossible to know. this issue divided her own family. it's impossible for anyone other than the two people allegedly involved to know what the truth is. people who have known her her entire are split on whether or not she is telling the truth. i believe she thinks she is telling the truth. there false memories and people who get it wrong. it's shocking. we don't know. >> it's hideous to think of the implications of the fact that this could have taken place. let me play this other part of the interview that ended hours ago. she talked in brand-new and stunning detail about the night she first remembered having sex with her dad. this was supposed to be the night before her wedding. look at this. >> the night before my father came to florida with the intention to stop the union. nobody wanted me to marry jeff.

i cannot to my father's hotel room and he had a lot of drugs and i had a lot of drugs. we took a lot of drug. all i remember is arriving in the room, getting high and i remember sort of -- you know how you kind of -- you probably don't know this, but if you are in a blackout and you come to in your body, i was in the act of having sex with my father. >> incredible to hear. a lot of people are rallying around mackenzie and the story she is telling saying it can be a positive thing to talk about, but some are not buy together because of her history with drugs and blacking out. if there is a chance her story is true, obviously she is say victim. is it completely unfair for people to judge her? >> yeah, again nobody knows except her and her father who is not alive anymore. when you watch that interview, it really does seem like it's not so cathartic for her.

it seems like she is having trouble talking about this which makes it seem true. you are seeing so many people speak out. calls to incest lines are up and she is getting positive feedback and incest survivors are coming forward. if she is doing something good, she put herself out there. >> this divided their family. mackenzie's half sister china supported her and said she does believe her, but today another half sister, bijou phillips does not believe her and calls her a liar. when i was young, my sister told me about this and it ruined my live and my relationship with my father. up to that point, i was a normal kid and started doing drugs and did not talk to my dad anymore. i'm 29 now and i've talked to everyone who was around. i do not believe my sister. our father is many things and this is not one of them.

do you think mac should shut the interviews down and stop doing the book tour because it's causing a rift in her family. >> she is speaking her own truth and causing this controversy. i think she has the right to tell her story and stel what happened to her. it's fascinating that bijou is blaming her. she was famous as a really troubled young model. i'm interested to hear her credit with put together off the rails. >> in more big news breaking today, john travolta took the stand in the extortion trial related to his son's death. he described a plot to extort $25 million from john by threatening to expose a document that would imply the death of my son was intentional and i was culpable in some way. hearing those words that came from his mouth, my heart breaks picturing him going from all this. yours must as well.

>> absolutely. to have to deal with this and go through this publicly and relive a lot of this, on top of people are criticizing him for saying awe test ek and saying he should have said that sooner. it's tough for him. good for him for getting out there. >> hopefully, really, he's getting closure here. that's what i've been saying all along. thank you guys. as we move on tonight, right now, britney spears getting freaky with her old buddy from 'nsync, not justin timberlake but lance bass. britney looking hot. the guy sitting on the couch in the middle, that's lance. there have been all kinds of rumors online that britney gave a lap dance to lance. it may not have been a lap dance but he certainly got an eyeful. some guys have all the luck. tonight, tori spelling's medical mystery. the reality star rushed to the hospital twice in severe pain

with a mystery illness. the question is, what's going on with her? this is "showbiz tonight" on hln. now, the news ticker, more stories making news right now.

welcome back to "showbiz tonight." tonight, tori spelling's medical mystery. she's recovering today after being rushed to the hospital twice in two days. this is after suffering severe stomach pains. she has no idea why this happens. her husband sent out this message on twitter. just out of the hospital after a battery of tests, no conclusive answers. she still feels terrible, hope it passes soon. she's in a lot of pain. well, tori had been sending out tweets when she and her entire family first got sick. but then tori took a turn for the worst with this mysterious

pain, again, no idea why it's happening. her publicist telling "showbiz tonight" there's still no update on tori's condition. the mystery continues. we wish her well. jennifer hudson's baby love. the "american idol" alum kept mum about becoming a mom. she wouldn't even confirm she was having a baby. now, jennifer has plenty to say about her newborn son, david. in a brand new interview posted today on people.com, here's what's jennifer is saying. he's the cutest thing in the world. there are no words for it. it's just amazing. us discovering each other, me becoming a mom. of course, jennifer lost her own mom last year but jennifer says she knows her mom with with her and her son david. i think she was a great example of being a mother. so when my son first got home, i was like everything i do will be out of love. that's what drives me in the middle of the night when i'm knocked out of sleeping and he wakes up. jennifer also reveals she and her fiance can't wait to spoil

their son for his very first christmas. congratulations, guys. tuesday we asked you to vote on our "showbiz tonight" question of the day. moments ago i was handed the final rules. jon fired from "jon & kate." should the show be canceled? 77% say yes, 23% say no. we got this e-mail from courtney in alabama. has anybody asked the kids if the show should be canceled. and angela in guam, i can relate to kate as a singer mother. i think that they should be the keep. i thank you for your e-mails and thank you for watching. that is it for "showbiz tonight." i'm a.j. hammer. we are on 11:00 p.m. eastern and

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joining me tonight, author, pundit, provocative white chick ann coulter. also in the studio offering her unique take on family values, victoria gotti. and are democrats finally taking a page from the republican play book and dumbing down the discourse? i'll discuss that and more with the host of hbo's "realtime" the fabulous bill maher. all that and more from the time warner center in new york city tonight.

my first guest like me is known for speaking his mind and pissing people off so naturally i had to have him on my second show. he's the host of hbo's "realtime with bill maher." . the lovely and talented bill maher. hey, bill. how are you? >> joy, congratulations. >> thank you. thank you. all right. let's start off with a topic that's near and dear to our hearts, health care and congress. check out this clip of florida congressman allen grayson for a second. >> if you get sick in america, this is what the republicans want you to do. if you get sick, america, the republican health care plan is this, die quickly. that's right. the republicans want you to die quickly if you get sick. >> okay. is it me or did a democrat actually behave like a republican? >> who is that man? >> his name is -- he's a florida congressman.

his name is allen grayson. you haven't seen that before? >> i haven't. but i think i got to get him on the show. he's a funny, funny man. and you know, i have been interviewing congressmen for like 17 years and it's always amazing to me when you meet them in person. there are some who are bright. the democrats have a few good people, barney frank, that guy anthony weiner. >> unfortunate name but a lovely man. >> right. lovely man. very bright. bernie sanders. marcy captor on our show friday. but, you know, in general, congress people -- you know, they're just not that bright. when you meet them, you're like, wow you're one of the people who runs this country? amazing. but he's not completely wrong. >> what the guy was doing i think is sort of usic the hyperbolic sound bite to get the other side crazy like they did with death panels.

it is not that dissimilar. but the gop colleagues were very upset by -- look at what representative dan burton had to say immediately after seeing that. >> i can't believe what i just saw. i can't believe it. first of all, it's totally wrong. and secondly, it's making fun of a very important issue for the american people. we do have health care problems in this country. and we need to solve those health care problems but coming down here and making light of the issue by coming up with a lot of silly talk is just ridiculous. >> the man is shocked, i tell you, shocked by this outrageous conduct. how dare the democrats palin-ize such a serious topic. >> i'm so jealous of china. you know? it's a dictatorship. and they had a -- they're very efficient. if only we had something like that. yeah, i mean i was very, very disappointed to see the public option kind of die. you know, the senate, you know, this is where progress seems to go to die. i'm not even sure we need one

anymore. >> well, it did die today, i think. or maybe. do you think there's any hope for it at all? you have five blue dog democrats joined by republicans in voting no. >> right. i really don't because i don't think these people really even understand the people in congress who they're supposed to be representing. you know, when they complain about the public option, you hear things like, well, the government doesn't have to make a profit. yeah, exactly. because they're working for us. they're not working for etna. i mean, they have really lost sight of what the government's function is. they're so owned by corporations that they -- they're unabashed about advertising that. right out in front of us. >> do you think that obama has lost control of the party at this point? i mean, i feel as though his -- his vibe has sort of getting weak. >> well, he was -- he was never an arm twister.

you know? maybe he has to learn that. there's always a learning curve with presidents and there is going to be with this one, too. you know, i said months ago he needed a little george bush in him. and of course, i didn't mean he needed george bush's horrible ideas but if we could marry the good ideas that obama has with the kind of swagger that george bush had, i mean, george bush didn't care if anybody liked him. >> right. >> and that worked out real well because not many people do but bush, when you think about the ideas that bush pushed through, pre-emptive war, no one was looking to go to war in iraq after 9/11. giving away all the tax money to the very richest 1%. certainly no one was clamoring for that. you know, he was a master at just getting what he wanted because he didn't really care. and i think obama could use a little of that. he's a little too nice. you know? he had this grand idea that the

republicans would play ball with him and had the interest of the country at heart. well, he needs to get over that. and be a little bit of an a-hole. >> what do you make of this sort of hate speech going on? i don't want to mention names but glenn beck is watching my show right now and possible he's thinking of new ways to yell at obama and cause people to be raging and angry. what do you make of all of that? >> well, you know, i keep saying that we don't really have a progressive party in this country. glenn beck is part of the republican party. you know, the democrats as -- if you take away the few people i just mentioned before, you know, that's a center right party. they're a great party if you want to -- a party to represent the pharmaceutical companies and the health insurance industry and big agriculture and all that kind of stuff. and then you have the republicans which are just a bunch of religious lunatics, flatters, civil war reenactors.

>> and those are the good points. >> and bimbos. i can disagree ideologically with someone and respect an ideological disagreement but the republican party in the last 20, 30 years has really gone toward this nonintellectual-type of person. sarah palin, george bush, dan quayle and the commentators, also. it's not an ideological difference. they just don't know anything. they're bimbos. he's a bimbo and a crazy one. i'm telling you, it is not that long before we're going to find glenn beck dressed as a woman or playing with his feces or something. >> that's a reality show i don't want to miss. >> he is extremely unhinged and it's going to happen on air. >> you think so? i hope so. that would be so much fun to watch. >> i do. >> let me switch for gears for a second and ask you why is the

hollywood community rallying behind roman polanski? do you have any idea what's going on there? >> i don't. you know, i'm certainly not rallying behind roman polanski. and you know, i'm the guy who doesn't particularly like children. i don't really have a dog in that kind of fight but, you know, i find, you know, if you give a 13-year-old girl a qualude and then do her in the naughty place against her will, i mean, if that's not a crime, you know, i don't know where we draw the line here. >> exactly. >> but, you know, you know, a polish pedophile, joy, he hits on adults. anyway, i thought i'd get that joke. >> okay. that was funny. i didn't see your name on the petition that woody allen and signed, so i assumed you were not really going to back up this guy. but just all coming out. >> no. people very often defend hollywood out here by saying, those, you know, who call us too

permissive or just too square. this is a case where, yeah, we are too permissive. if that's what hollywood wants to advertise, you know, that we're behind roman polanski, i don't want any part of it. you know, obviously, it's an old case. but still, i mean, if you can get away with doing that to a kid, i guess you can get away with anything. >> yeah, i guess you're right. even sharon tate's sister she even called the child a young woman. i mean, even the way that they're describing this poor, young girl, 13 is not a young woman. 13 is a child. you have pimples. you don't even have boobs yet in many cases. i mean, that is a child. >> and it seems a lot of the defense is, he's a great artist. who cares? >> right. >> so what? >> right. >> he's a great artist. great. who did a horrible thing. >> right. >> you know, the other one. it was in jack nicholson's hot tub.

like, well, come on, if you go into jack nicholson's hot tub, we all know all bets are off. >> i know. >> a 13-year-old should know that. >> exactly. and, you know, to this idea that because he's an artist, he is excused, i'm sure pol pot could paint a great picture but so what? >> right. >> you know what i'm saying? it's like every war criminal had a talent. what can i tell you? thanks very much, bill, for coming on. >> hitler. >> we don't like to use hitler anymore. it's a hacky expression. we have to wait a while and build it up again. >> hitler. >> okay. thanks very much for coming on. we'll be back in a minute. i know joy behar. how do i know joy behar? the name registers, definitely. >> she's funny. she's smart. she knows what's going on. >> sexy? yeah. no, yeah.

a little bit. >> sexy. i wouldn't kick you out of bed for eating crackers i'll tell you that. >> is she opinionated? yes. i think people should be. >> i love that she's opinionated. >> she is quite liberal, isn't she? >> she's a little too liberal for me. >> no, i don't think she's too liberal. i like her. >> as far as me personally, i don't care for her that much but good luck, joy.

he was evaluated not to be a pedophile and there's as i said rape and then there's rape. it was determined that roman did not force bring have sex with

this young woman. it was -- it was a consensual matter. >> okay. that was roman polanski's former sister-in-law deborah tate on nbc's "today" show. as roman polanski continues to face extradition, hollywood continues to rally around him and this woman, obviously. joining me now to discuss this case are criminal defense attorney joey jackson, gale saltz and ashleigh banfield. first of all, don't you have a reaction to her calling her a young woman and there's rape and there's rape? they're protecting this man. i don't understand what's going on. anybody have a comment? >> when you're 13, there isn't there's rape and there's rape. you can't call it consensual. a young girl of that age doesn't have the frontal lobe, frankly, to make the decision to have sex and certainly not when she's drugged on alcohol and qualudes.

>> the word distorts the story, doesn't it? >> she is 13. i'll go one further. there is no rape and rape. if you're 26 and they give you wine and have sex with you saying no, no, no. it's rape according to the law. >> yeah. >> there's two issues. the first issue is, of course, whether he raped her and clearly he did and we know that because he pled to it and what we have in law -- >> he didn't plead to rape. >> he pled to intercourse. >> unlawful sex with a minor. >> unlawful sexual intercourse. but you lack capacity in the law to consent and the other issue is really has the passage of time and the victim in the mid-40s excused this, there's been a settlement there. he's 76 years old himself. he's been on the l ax m for 30 years and now looking at it at this point, should it be excused? >> listen to this film maker friend of his, what he said. since when does switzerland -- they're the victim in this

story. weren't they neutral? >> this is a tremendous amount of denial and identification. people want to feel if i did something i want to consider a little mistake, whether it was or not, i want to be able to be excused. those are the people, frankly, that are rallying. maybe i had a thought that wasn't okay or did something in the past that wasn't okay. i want to know i don't have to pay the ultimate punishment for that. >> from a defense perspective, look at it this way. he pled and a plea agreement in serving 47 some days and reason he didn't come back, of course, he felt the judge would not go by that plea agreement and ultimately settle, you know, settle on more time and so the reality is that you have to look at it in context. he did do something. it was abysmal, terrible. shouldn't have been done and now we're talking 30 years later. and this is beyond a warrant sent by l.a. to get him back. this is an international dispute. >> actors, some actors, some people and directors are backing him up.

what do you think is the motive for backing him up in hollywood and europe? a lot of it is in europe. >> europeans i get it. they don't think it's such a big deal. >> why not? >> culturally. you have to go to europe to walk in those shoes. >> a child is a child. i don't get that. >> we're americans and feel differently about this. period. let them deal the way they deal but legally speaking i got to say this country has a black eye in this case because it wasn't just a case of he got wind maybe the judge will renege on the deal. he got tipped off that this judge was going to throw the book at him and put him away for up to 50 years because the judge wasn't happy with the media he was getting. it was ugly what went on chambers. it was illegal what went on in chambers and it has been admitted to by the prosecutor who was involved. >> so you don't blame him for going on the lam? >> i hate to say it. i'm the last person to say flout the law, take off but i feel in his circumstance, he was being cheated by a system, truly cheated. there was an illegal process going on in chambers. what else was he to do?

stand by, go to jail and wait to try to fight this thing? he could have been sitting there for ten years fighting this. >> we have a dilemma as a society. we can't at the end of the day say you don't have to be punished for a crime that you admitted to and can't condone to run away and simply avoid your pinnishment living out a wonderful life and winning an academy award somewhere else. >> the hollywood people and european directors signed a petition for him. guess who's on the list, woody allen. >> surprise. surprise, surprise. >> oedipus falls in the list of things people like to deny. >> i don't know their motivation, joy, is because they love him and they think he's a storied director and support him or whether they fall into the category of he was cheated by this one, he was offered a chance to come back in '97 and stand in court, assert his

rights, challenge this malfeasance that went on and he would be sentenced to time already served. butfy were him, i'm not sure i would want to come back to a country ready to cheat me in the first place. >> these are his friends. he's made a reputation in that industry and done exceedingly well and the fact is let's not say he wasn't punished. there was a plea agreement in place and he thought he would get time served. was it our measure of punishment? is it appropriate? maybe not but at the end of the day he served punishment. they're backing him up. >> they have their skeletons in the closet. >> the culture of hollywood. not to indict hollywood. they engage in the behavior of their own. >> it makes middle america hate hollywood more. thanks to the panel. al sharpton joins me next. did you know that joy behar has a new show? >> where is it? >> cnn "headline news." >> what is it about?

>> talk show. current affairs. whatever joy wants. joy's a talker. >> what is it called? >> called "the joy behar show." >> really? >> yeah. >> have you noticed when he left "the view" her career took off? >> skyrocketed. what is that about? >> i don't know. congratulations, joy. >> yeah. i'm not at all surprised. you will be absolutely fantastic.

this is a horrendous story out of the midwest. an innocent teen was fatally beaten at a chicago bus stop thursday and police are still looking for three teenagers they believe were involved. the amazing thing about this crime is that it was caught on cell phone video. joining me now is civil rights leader and the president of national action network, the reverend al sharpton. reverend al, for those people who haven't seen this disturbing footage, i'm beginning to show you a few seconds. >> zoom in. zoom in. zoom in. >> it's very hard to look at.

you know? it's amateur footage given to us bwfld and this horrific footage was shot on a cell phone. why wasn't that cell phone used to call the cops? >> that's a good question. why wasn't it used to call the cops? what is done city wide to deal with this real problem of youth violence? this is the third young man to be killed this month. many young people killed in chicago with gunfire and the community must be just as outraged with the internal problems of murder as we are when we have external. i mean, i'm outraged by it. national action organization of chicago is meeting with some of the leaders there. we've got to come to terms with the fact that this young crowd that is perpetrating violence on other young people must be confronted by people in the community themself. >> why is it no one's coming out? no one's coming out to turn anybody in. is there a snitching issue in

the neighborhood or what? >> i think that we've gotten from some of the culture this no-snitch kind of thing and no-snitch only gives people the right to violate you and abuse you and murder you and feel there's not an answer. snitching came back in the days when people were doing crimes together and didn't tell on each other. when people perpetrate crimes against you, that's protecting yourself and your community. we got to turn that around and i think the hip hop industry, the black leadership, the city leadership, everybody's got to come out there and say, if you know something, you must come forward. we cannot allow and tolerate this in our community. >> maybe they're afraid of reprisal. maybe the kids are scared to talk. >> i think if there's an infrastructure put in place to ensure that any information that comes forward is protected and even kept anonymous, that confidence must be built up. but the real problem is that they will have reprisals if they don't do anything.

if we continue -- i repeat, joy, this is the third murder of young people in chicago. if we repeat allowing this to happen without people paying for it, it's going to keep happening. >> this kid said he feel threatened in the neighborhood before. why aren't -- why doesn't he feel protected? why aren't the children in that neighborhood protected well enough by the police? >> because we have not called on this kind of accountability. we have not come forward and called on accountability of community neighbors and community leaders and i think the fact that this young man said he was threatened before and this happened to him is even a furtherer indictment on us that need to be doing more about this. this is a crisis. >> uh-huh. there's only a $6,000 reward for the perpetrator. that's not enough, is it? >> no. i think that will go up substantially this weekend. i'm talking again to some of the community leaders there in chicago. but i think it's not a question of the reward though i think it should be higher but a question of the crisis. we have to do something about it, quickly and dramatically. >> thank you so much, reverend al, for coming on the show. thank you.

when we come back, i'll be joined by ann coulter. s s s s s

okay. even some of president obama's biggest supporters say he is too easy on the opponents. that's probably something you'll never hear about my next guest. i'm here with the always candid, always cute ann coulter. hi, ann. >> hello! >> okay. first i want to start off, before he died, don hewitt called me and he saw you and me on larry king's show and he said two things -- >> never do that again. >> well, he's gone now. >> i'm guessing that's what he said to you. >> no, no, no. he said, this is the first time i've ever really liked ann coulter. number one. he said, number two, i think it's an act. is it an act? what do you think about all of that?

>> i got a lot of comments to this day. >> from don hewitt? >> yes. he was calling me saying it's a first time i've ever really liked joy behar. no, i've had a lot of people say how they loved us being on together, even just in the past week or so. the last time i was on with you four or five months ago. >> really? did they see us? >> i think we're a good kbo team. >> a personal question. besides a sarah palin speech, what makes you happy? >> what makes me happy? >> what makes you happy in the world. >> the happiest was bill clinton's impeachment. i suspect the -- >> second -- >> the second happiest is going to be obama's impeachment. >> why? you really don't like him, do you? >> no. i mean, he is like all these democrats. they run as moderate, old school, i'm just a regular guy and then they get in and

suddenly it's -- >> you did have something about him you liked. you admired the position on afghanistan. is there something else that you like? >> well, it was the whole -- it was the whole foreign policy thing because he was basically following bush and as we found out again, you know, in the last week or so, he's completely continuing the detention policy without passing a new law and detain possible terrorists so i do think what he wants to do is wreck domestic policy and therefore, you know, terrorist attack would not help that so -- >> how's he wrecking domestic policy? he is trying to help it. even bernanke said that the economy is better since obama is in. >> yes, well, bernanke is working for obama. you cannot quote the underlings as proof you're doing your job. >> didn't he work for bush, also? >> yeah, but still. >> they all worked for the same people. how do you feel about the health care thing he's doing? do you like him there? >> no, i do not. >> i feel the public option would be something you'd love. it's not?

>> you are not following my continuing theories of liberal lies on health care. i agree with most americans, apparently. i think it would be a disaster. what needs to be done with health care, for one thing, most americans are happy with their health care. >> are you happy with your health care? >> no. this is how i would fix what i think the problems are. what you want in insurance is to insure against catastrophes not to have everyone share the cost of, you know, you're going to get fertility treatment or marriage counseling. >> marriage counseling is not covered. >> it absolutely is in new jersey. >> no, it's not. >> yes, it is. yes, it is. yes, it is. states impose the mandates. >> how about viagra? >> a lot of these are state mandates and it's so

expensive to buy insurance in some states because state politicians, you know, they want to please the lobbyists for, you know, the podiatry lobby or aro therapy lobby and require it to be covered. thinking about wit the home insurance or car insurance, you get that in case you get in a crash not so everyone shares the cost of gasoline and tires. for the day-to-day things, you should pay for it yourself. all congress -- >> not everybody can, though. not everybody can. >> it would be cheaper to not paying for their restless leg syndrome. >> whose -- what are you talking about? >> i am talking about all of these state mandate secretary of state you cannot buy catastrophic health care. they're illegal immigrants or young, healthy people paying for everybody else to have babies, to go see shrinks, to have counseling, rehab counseling. >> that's not true. >> it is absolutely true. >> i don't believe that. >> it is absolutely true. >> this is why you're still a liberal. you refuse to find out facts. >> my brother-in-law works in an emergency room. they say come back in 17 hours. is that right? >> no. that's why we should have private and public hospitals. >> for those people that wait 17 hours don't have the money to buy the health insurance. that's the point. let's move on from this. the health insurance gives me a

headache, frankly. the whole thing going on in the country about obama, these racist attacks on the guy. >> they are not racist attacks. >> really? what do you think a lion -- the zoo and the white house has a lying african. >> right. >> i mean, that's -- >> you don't know who put that up. there's hundreds of thousands of people there. i recommend people go, links on my website to a site called i think zombie.com. for some of the signs at bush rallies. and i think bush would have preferred that one. i mean with his head chopped off, with him being hung in effigy. endlessly compared to -- >> they didn't say old white boy, you are an idiot. nobody said that. >> nobody said black boy is an idiot. >> and then glenn beck in the infinite wisdom called obama a racist. what is that? that's like lindsay lohan calling david hasselhoff an

alcoholic. i'm sorry, elisabeth. i didn't mean hasselbeck. i meant hasselhoff. if she is watching, elisabeth. i'm sorry. >> i'm sure he will be. >> glenn beck, the thing with him, he's the face of the republican party. >> okay. since you began this show with me dishing on glenn beck, i just want to quickly get out, i love glenn beck. >> do you? people hate him more than they used to hate you. are you jealous? >> a little bit jealous. >> a little bit. i think you get that with many conservatives attacking him but he didn't our leader. rush limbaugh isn't our leader. sarah palin isn't our leader. i love them all. but we don't have a leader. a, we are a party without leaders and moreover, we have a liberal obsession with tell us who your leader is and this is how they argue. they find out who the leader is and destroy him. from newt gingrich to tom delay

to sarah palin. >> what do you mean? who destroyed tom delay? we are not going with a leader this time so you have to argue with us on the facts. on the issues. >> i don't think that's -- >> no destroying the leader. >> who would be your leader? >> we don't have a leader. >> joe scarborough saying that the republican party better stop letting glenn beck get away with the hate speech making the republican party, conservatives look bad. what do you think about that? >> joe scarborough, also not our leader. >> a conservative. >> i didn't say he wasn't. i said they're not our leaders. we don't have a leader. stop trying to find one to destroy him. >> scarborough, he's saying you can't make glenn beck such the face of the republican party. it's not working. >> he isn't the face. we heard this for six months at the beginning of the year as rush limbaugh. >> now let's talk about sarah. we can't get enough of sarah. she's the gift that keeps on giving. first of all, she is in hong kong or she was. >> right. >> and then in hong kong she basically was badmouthing obama pretty badly. now, when obama was in germany or berlin last year and i think he was running and he said, you know, the united states has made mistakes and we are not perfect.

the right went berserk on the guy. why don't you figure it's unpatriotic to badmouth the president of the united states. at the very least, it's disrespectful. >> i have heard nothing about that. because it was closed to the press and all leaks from -- >> okay. it's leaks. >> okay. but what i saw was -- i need glasses for this to do the full charlie gibson. what do you think of the palin doctrine? that's what i heard her give. >> what? >> exactly. except there is a palin doctrine. there wasn't a bush doctrine. >> what is she up to? everybody says, would you like to have sarah palin on the show? i say, yes. what would you ask her? maybe you could pretend you're sarah. do role playing. >> right. >> the day that katie couric said to her, what do you read? >> i can answer that. >> why couldn't she come up with an answer? the moose gazette. >> i can answer that. >> the alaskan news. anything. >> it's a personal question in the sense that a lot will be read into it.

i don't like people asking me what i read, watch on tv. that sort of question. i'm not running for office. if she says these things and say human events, will they say, i'm a right winger and not getting the other side. if i say "the new york times" sucking up to liberals? all of that's going through the head. not that important of a question and doing the normal blow-off answer, a read a lot of stuff. >> why didn't she say "time" and "newsweek"? >> that's point one she didn't want to give a specific answer and then that's the headline. why didn't she mention news max or human events? all of that is going through your head. >> she came across as dumb and somebody who didn't read it. >> i don't think so. i think the parodies came across as dumb. it was replayed and said, that wasn't half as bad as i thought. it wasn't that bad. point two is, she is -- she is young. she's the internet generation. you don't read -- nobody reads

magazines or newspapers anymore. everything everyone reads is on the internet. >> she could have said i read the blogs. that would have been a very safe answer for her. >> no, they would have aattacked her and then it's just as empty and meaningless as saying i read anything i can get my hands on. >> did she give the clothes back to the republican party? >> she never had them. >> she has them, honey. >> she was wearing them on loan and by the way that leaked -- i've said a moment ago -- >> everything is a leak with her. nothing comes right out. >> from mccain because i said before when someone gets big, big, big you get jealous people around them. well, nobody wanted to hear john mccain. sarah palin would show up. she got audiences bigger than obama. >> she's prettier. she's prettier. that is about it. >> more coherent. >> she is not -- ann, not for nothing, i like you. she is not coherent. >> she's totally coherent. >> she is not. the woman cannot construct a sentence. that's the reason -- that's the reason she doesn't allow the media to come into her speeches. >> no.

no, no, no. you are referring to -- >> nobody understands what she's talking about. she's like a gadhafi. >> that was coherent. >> okay, ann. that thank you for coming. "guilty liberal victims a ten assault on america." next, something that's not bothering me in the least.

you know, not for nothing, but my show has been on the air for, what, like two minutes and already i've been called every name in the book. i've been called stupid, pushy, dumb, a loud mouth and a marxist. i take exception. i'm not a marxist. i own property. okay. it's in foreclosure, but still.

this name calling doesn't bother me. you think it bothers me? i'm used to it. bill o'reilly once called me a pinhead. yeah, he's mature. and a christian columnist named erik rush called me a fatty boomblatti. which version of the bible does he read? the king james or the dr. seuss? let me say something to the negative nabobs. i am a mature woman capable of intelligent discourse. i love to partake in well-informed conversation. okay? i relish the thought of sitting down with all of my adversaries. so glenn, rush, bill, i invite all of you to come on the show and discuss things like rational adults. even if you are a big bunch of doody heads. but that's just me.

i know you're going to be great and have a big audience because i'm going to be watching. >> joy, i'm being forced to do because they don't think i actually know you so kick everybody's you know what when you're doing your show because you know you're going to be good at it. >> some people get to see movies like "the godfather" and there are others who have lived them. joining me now is the author of the new memoir "this family of mine," victoria gotti. why did you write this book, victoria? >> i didn't want to for many, many years and many, many reasons. mom, my family. we had a tough year and there were so many headlines, so many lies, so many pot shots that finally the family said, you need to do this. and if you don't, they threatened me.

they said they'd get someone else to write it. >> who threatened me? >> mom. >> your mother? >> mom, siblings. they said it's time, it's time. there were some news that got back to the family that a few of these people, let's say they were close to the family were doing these tell-alls and things like that. i think that upset them and we finally sat down and talked about it and -- >> you wanted to set the record straight? >> set the record straight. i think, you know, i think the world has one misconception of the way we were brought up. the way we lived and i felt, you know what then? maybe they're right and just time. that's it. >> well, one of the things i read that you said is you're not like the sopranos. tell me how you're not like the sopranos. >> whatever dad did in dad's life, dad always kept separately. as far as dad was concerned, there were two lives. they never crossed over. people asked me how do you feel

about sammy? >> sammy the bull. didn't he sing? >> not opera. not opera. no, not opera. i never met him. this person was like, what? wasn't he like an uncle to you? i never met him. dad never allowed anybody from that life to come into our home, to be around us. he would never talk about certain things. you know, where dad was concerned, you couldn't curse in front of a woman. men got up from the table. it was a whole different old-fashioned existence. >> more like the godfather than like goodfellows or the sapronos? >> yeah, yeah. he was very, very, very classy. very charismatic. very, you know, this tony soprano character, i remember when it first came out and people say -- well, somebody once made a joke and likened that character to my ex-husband.

i thought that's close but dad, never happened. >> even though, you know, your father was convicted of racketeering, 13 murders, illegal gambling, extortion. >> i meant personality wise. >> separate from that -- >> separate from that. >> he was a gentleman. >> totally different guy. totally different guy. very low key. as i said, you could never talk about that stuff. not in front of women. >> my father was like that. he drove a truck and he fought the nazis. he pulled his own teeth out but you couldn't say the "f" word in front of him. weird. >> they are. >> you said brooklyn, especially downtown brooklyn considered mafia territory. if you were italian and lived there, it was presumed you were in the life. i lived in brooklyn. i never heard this. >> it is not something italian people or descent will say but if you ever tell anybody you're from brooklyn, for instance, riding off the bell parkway entering into queens, you see the sign lately? sign says you are leaving brooklyn. forget about it. >> yeah. i don't think it's funny. >> i don't think it's that funny but you know what? back in the day, even now, you say brooklyn, it's right away assumed you are and if you're italian, you belong to the mob. >> well, you know, my aunt julie says your family makes italians look bad.

how do you respond to that? >> you know what? it depends on -- there are the italians, there are the italians. some of the italians feel they've come to this country. italians, some of the italians that feel fie have come to this country, they are anti that lifestyle. they are those that feel this was their brotherhood. this was their life. their whatever. they're going to fight it out from now until the days turned to stone. this is how it is. it's like the knights of columbus versus the italian-american league. it is what it is. >> i read your book and know that your father had a tough time as a kid. my grandfather did, too. they asked my grandfather to be in man in the mob and he refused. your father did not refuse. >> did not refuse. these are the guys he saw growing up he wanted to emulate. i'm not saying it was the right choice. it was his choice. i can't speak for him. it was his choice. >> we'll be back with more from victoria gotti in just a bit.

i'm back with victoria gotti. we're talking about her new memoir, "this family of mine." let's talk about your mother and your family a little bit. according to what you wrote, you didn't have any clue your father was in the mob. >> not until the '80s. >> i don't know how old you are. i'm assuming you were somewhat of a grown-up at that time. >> yeah. early 20s. >> and you also say that your mother didn't seem to know anything, either. people find that hard to believe. >> she knew. she knew what his life was, as most women that were married to those type of men did. but she never, again, would question what he did. she wouldn't, you know, he walked in the door at night. she didn't say, hey, where were you tonight? >> was she scared to ask him? >> no, she was feisty.

>> she was quite the -- quite a -- >> she was feisty. she wasn't by no means a shrinking violet. she knew her place, too. women -- this was a whole different type of society than we are today. it just wasn't the way it is today. today we would be like, you know, hey, what do you mean? what's this? it wasn't like that back then. your husband provided. you knew he did. you accepted. >> i had the opposite experience. my mother ruled the roost. >> it happens that way, too. it is great. >> it's better. >> i think you're right. >> a neighbor of yours mysteriously disappeared after your little brother was run over by his, they think his car, right? >> right. >> do you think your father was involved in that murder? >> i thought for a lot of years. >> or his disappearance, let's say? >> i thought for a lot of years, yes. as i say in the book, dad was the only one out of all of us that disbelieved -- he believed it was an accident, whereas i, for one, didn't. >> you didn't --

>> the man was a neighborhood drinker. the neighbor had all, you know, it was like dad didn't want to hear it. it was like the neighbors came and told all of us, they were there at the scene, they said -- the police also and the report said he dragged my brother for over 200-something feet, didn't know this boy was under the wheels of his car. you know, he got out of the car and started to yell and scream. who the hell's kid is this anyway? what the "f" was he doing in the street? >> didn't he know your father was living on that block? >> it was two blocks away when it happened. when he found out it was john gotti's son, all of a sudden, i'm having chest pains. >> wouldn't you have chest pains if you knew it was john gotti's son? >> i wouldn't have reacted that way. i would have been in a state of shock to hit a boy. >> didn't the mother hit the car with a baseball bat? she was ticked off.

>> she was a grieving mother. i love people -- >> she was enraged. >> i love people who sit back and say, your father this, your mother that. listen, these are parents that lost -- they buried their 12-year-old son. i love people who are so quick to judge and sit back, what happened to this guy? we're talking about a father that's just buried his favorite son, apple of his eye, a mother that can't quite come to trips, terms with the fact her son's never coming home. people act like oh my god, did your mother go around the corner with a baseball bat? she saw the car in the driveway every day with the blood of her son on it. >> how do you remember your father today, vicky? >> i remember him as being very witty, very caring. he was my best friend. >> he was? >> people say to me, why isn't this a daddy dearest book? i can't give it to you because it wasn't. >> thanks, vicki. thanks to victoria gotti and the rest of my guests for joining me tonight. and thank you for watching. good night, everybody.

breaking news tonight. satsuma, florida. a 5-year-old little girl tucked into bed. five hours later she's gone. vanished. the back door propped wide open. daddy comes home from the nightshift to find not a trace of little haleigh. the last person to see the 5-year-old alive that night, new stepmother misty croslin. bombshell tonight. croslin skips town after a bitter fight with haleigh's father, ronald cummings. tonight, police locate croslin. as we go to air, we learn she refuses to talk to police, who want her re-questioned about haleigh's disappearance.

police surveillance on croslin. they say she won't give straight answers or account for crucial hours surrounding the alleged kidnap. in the last hours croslin's mother in a tennessee courtroom on felony forgery out of florida. bond? once a whopping $100,000. now no bond until florida cops take her home. she already publicly states croslin hasn't come clean about the night haleigh vanishes. what else will she tell police now that she's behind bars? croslin's brother confesses in his own jailhouse interrogation, he goes to haleigh's house the night she goes missing, pounds on the door, nobody home. in another development a woman caught on grainy surveillance video delivers a detailed tip as

to haleigh's location. police investigate, and we have the video. where, where was new stepmother misty croslin during those crucial hours when haleigh goes missing? and tonight, where is haleigh? >> if i find whoever has my daughter before y'all do, i'm killing them. i don't care. i'll spend the rest of my life in prison. i'm telling you. you can put it on recording. i don't care. >> days of speculation have ended. haleigh cummings' stepmom, misty croslin, has been found. why did she go away, and what does she know? >> we've been told that she was on a foray to one of the amusement parks. i can confirm she was at universal studios with a friend and she was seen wearing a haleigh pendant around her neck. >> police say they know where to find misty but misty doesn't want to speak with police. >> if people think that i had something to do with it, if i had something to do with it, i knew where she was, we wouldn't be sitting here today. we would have her.

>> a tip letter surfaces that gives specific directions to an alleged burial site where haleigh's body can be found. just a few hundred yards from haleigh's home. stuffed in a garbage bag in a well. >> we're told the letter isn't very long, just a paragraph or so, that ends with someone's initials. but more than seven months after haleigh disappeared it could finally contain information to help crack the case. >> you never know when the one's going to come in that'll make the case, and this could be it. >> misty's mother, lisa croslin, may be questioned yet again by authorities. why? and where is the investigation headed in the desperate attempt to find out what exactly happened to little haleigh? >> i have faith in god to take care of my baby girl and find her. and i don't care who had something to do with it. those are the people who need to be put away. and tonight, live to nashville in the search for a 4-day-old baby boy snatched by a woman posing as immigration.

mommy answers the front door, to be stabbed repeatedly. tonight, mommy makes a desperate plea from the hospital to find her tiny boy. >> i heard a loud beating at the door. "please help me." >> federal agents and nashville police are searching for this missing newborn from tennessee. 4-day-old yair anthony carillo is reportedly ripped from his mother's arms. >> she's covered with blood from her head to her toes. >> she said a woman showed up at her house posing as an immigration agent. the woman demanded her baby and stabbed her when she refused to hand him over. >> when miss carrillo said who are you, a struggle ensued. she was stabbed several times. >> she been slashed across the throat. >> perhaps this individual was obsessed with children. perhaps this individual had claimed to be pregnant for a long period of time but never was pregnant. this person has to have friends

or family who know some peculiarity about them. also, after 30 years hiding out in luxury in europe, a hollywood superstar finally behind bars. 30 years ago he admits to raping a 13-year-old little girl at the home of movie star jack nicholson. that little girl testified under oath he also forced anal sodomy on her. she was just 13. tonight, hollywood superstars coming out of the woodwork for polanski's release. they're, quote, shocked. they're shocked. well, they're not shocked he raped and sodomized a 13-year-old little girl, a girl he got drunk on champagne and quaaludes. no. they're shocked he's arrested. shame on hollywood. tonight polanski behind bars. lady justice comes through,

thank heaven, better late than never. there is a disturbing yet growing defense of roman polanski in this country. and it's coming from hollywood. a look at the list of high-profile people who are defending this superstar director. martin scorsese, woody allen, debra winger. >> we hope today this latest order will be dropped. it is based on a three-decade-old case that is all but dead except for a minor technicality. >> this is for me a shock, and i'm ashamed to be swiss, that swiss is doing such a thing to a brilliant, fantastic genius. >> evidence shows that he got a little girl drunk, he gave a little girl drugs, he sodomized a little girl. >> he wanted to take some

pictures in the hot tub. i was in there topless. then he got in the hot tub. that progressed to, you know, eventually why don't you come in here and lay down? into a very dark room. and that's when i really realized what his intentions were. >> she was 13. he was 43. he gave her champagne and a quaalude. she said no. he still went ahead and had unlawful sexual intercourse with her many different ways. >> despite that polanski continues to receive support from hollywood. good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. new stepmother misty croslin skips town after a bitter fight with haleigh's father, ronald cummings. tonight, police track her down. >> i'm just trying to do everything to find her. you know, answer any questions i have to. because i know i didn't do anything with -- to that little girl. i would never hurt her. >> cops say they're keeping a close watch on the last person to see haleigh alive. misty croslin.

but misty has a lawyer and doesn't want to speak with police. >> i've thought all along that she had something to do with it. and now this kind of just proves it. i mean, she's the last one to see our daughter, and her stories just don't add up. >> misty croslin left haleigh's dad, ronald cummings, for days. where did she go, and why did she just come back? >> she was a 16-year-old child whose job was to look after somebody else's two young children. and i can only imagine that this girl would want to get out and have some fun of some kind. >> this as authorities plan to question misty's mom, lisa croslin, with regard to haleigh's disappearance. as early as this week. but why? >> this mother, remember, came out against misty and said that she believed that her son was telling the truth and that misty was not. maybe they want to put her in jail so they can ask tough questions about why she came to such a conclusion. >> it's one paragraph long, typed, and has three letters at the bottom that resemble

initials. >> if the information is accurate it's going to be pretty volatile. >> if they go out and look for the right person, maybe they would have the answers. they're trying to get all the answers from me that i don't have. >> straight out to t.j. hart, program and news director wsky, 97.3. t.j., thank you for being with us. t.j., how long was she actually gone? >> she was gone for the better part of a week. about six to eight days off and on. but she'd been in contact with her family and she's been accounted for. >> and t.j., why is she still refusing to talk to cops? they have told her they want to re-question her about the night haleigh goes missing. >> she has a standing invitation according to major bolling and others at the putnam county sheriff's office to come in anytime she wishes, come in and straighten out that timeline. her attorney has not made an offer to bring her in for questioning and she has not gone in since the last time she went

in for questioning for a week. >> we are taking your calls. lakisha. indiana. hi, lakisha. >> caller: hi, nancy. i watch you every night. >> thank you. and thank you for calling in. what's your question, dealer? >> caller: you're welcome, sweetheart. i was just wondering where is misty cummings tonight and if she's been in touch with ronald since she's been gone all this time? >> marlaina schiavo, what about it? >> misty is in the satsuma area. actually tonight she was with teresa's -- excuse me, she's with ronald's mother, teresa. >> now, when you say she's in the satsuma area, is she back in the home with haleigh's father, ronald cummings? >> yes. she lives in the home. she's back in the home with ronald at ronald's grandmother's. >> so you're telling me they're together? >> that's what i'm being told, nancy.

>> so marlaina, after all this time where had she been? i know she doesn't have a job. ronald cummings has put so much effort into trying to find his missing 5-year-old daughter he has been let go from his job. how does she manage to stay down at disney world for a week in orlando, living it up at epcot? you know how much those tickets cost to get in? >> i do, nancy. and you know, she was with somebody. we don't know who she was with. we're told she was with a friend. but when i spoke to teresa, she said that those -- that the money and -- that went into this trip was paid for by someone she knows. so it was coming from somebody else. it wasn't coming from misty's funds. >> joining me right now is a special guest. teresa neves is with us tonight. this is haleigh's grandmother. miss neves, thank you for being with us. you have supported croslin from the get-go. why won't she speak to police tonight? >> miss nancy, that is a decision made by her attorney. she has gone in several times voluntarily, against his wish. i guess she is waiting on him to say yes, let's do this.

what's her date of birth? >> i'm going to [ bleep ] kill somebody. >> okay. tell him we understand. we need to get her date of birth. >> what's her date of birth? >> [ bleep ], we need to find her. >> somebody stole my child out of my bed. i come home from work, and my child was not there.

>> i put her to bed and -- about 8:00. and i woke up and she was gone. and the back door was wide open. >> do you believe that misty was indeed home and that she's been telling the truth? >> yeah, i believe she's telling the truth. >> she is still the most important witness in this case. she's the last person to see the children. she was with them. she's an important person to be spoken to. >> they haven't left me alone for six months. i've been the one, the main focus. they just need to move on and look for the right person. >> the officers are going to come out there and do what they can. we can't have him screaming and yelling at the officers whenever they get there. okay? >> uh-huh. >> i got better people to talk to than a [ bleep ] [ bleep ] who ain't coming. >> why are you so sure haleigh is still with us? >> because i stand on god's promise that if you pray and believe that he will give you what you pray for. >> joining us right now is haleigh's grandmother.

you just saw her. teresa neves. miss neves, does croslin, misty croslin, haleigh's stepmother, realize the firestorm she created by dropping out of sight for all these days in the midst of the search for haleigh? >> i do not think so, miss nancy. i don't think anyone thought that it would be that big a deal. there were arrangements made for her and ronald to do something with junior. those arrangements had to be changed, and misty just continued on with those plans without ronald and junior. >> then why couldn't anyone seem to tell us exactly where she was during that time? >> i don't know why anyone couldn't tell you that, because i could tell you. >> really? there were so many conflicting reports about where she had been. miss neves, again, you are stating that you believe she's waiting for the okay from her lawyer to talk to police.

>> yes, ma'am. >> okay. in light of the fact that her new stepchild, her little girl is missing and police want to talk to her, hopefully to clear up questions and find the child, don't you think she should be at the police station right now instead of waiting for a possible call from a lawyer? >> my personal opinion, that attorney should have made this trip six months ago. but i cannot tell that attorney how to do his job. >> but you can. i mean, she is with you. she is with you and ronald at your home. you can. you and ronald can talk to her. >> yes, ma'am, we can. and we have. but we cannot make her attorney do anything. >> miss neves, she said at one juncture that she believes up to four people were in the home the night haleigh went missing but

then chalked it up to a dreamlike interlude that she had. what does she say about that? who were the people in the home that evening? >> miss nancy, i have not seen that. i have asked her about it. she says that that did not happen. you know, if i haven't seen it and i can't prove it, then i can't actually confront her with something that she says did not happen. >> miss neves, i don't mean to grill you, but it just doesn't all fit together. you've got her brother claiming he came to the home that evening at 9:30 to 9:45. she said she didn't go to sleep until 10:00 p.m. he says he banged on the door to get in touch with her and nobody came. how does she respond to that? was she really home? >> she still stands firm on the fact that she was at home. to me it's a very dysfunctional family, and that's the best way i can describe that. one minute they -- you know, they say one thing, and then the

next minute they call and say, well, i was sorry, you know, i didn't mean to say that and we'll do better next time. so i just don't know what to think of the whole thing. >> we are taking your calls live. to valerie in canada. hi, valerie. >> caller: hi, nancy, how are you tonight? >> i'm good, dear, thank you for calling in. what's your question? >> caller: i'm just curious. do you think that perhaps haleigh's kidnapping could be some form of retaliation to perhaps money that misty may have been owing to the people she was allegedly partying with that weekend and -- >> good question. we know that misty croslin was a-wol for three days prior, the three days just before the little girl goes missing. let's unleash the lawyers. susan moss, child advocate new york. renee rockwell, defense attorney atlanta. paul batista, renowned defense attorney, author of "death's witness." joining us from new york.

renee rockwell, that only happens in the movies. all right? you don't steal somebody's child to get, for instance, a drug debt back. if they want money out of you, they come and break your knees. they chase you down and beat you up. that's how that works. would you agree or disagree? >> well, nancy, i do agree that that is a fantastic explanation as to where the child is. but when you're fooling around with drugs and you have people potentially taking drugs or drugs lying around, it's very easy to imagine that something may have gone amiss -- >> okay. >> -- if everybody's just passed out on the couch. >> well, going amiss, cheryl mccollum, and kidnapping for a drug debt or some other debt are to different things. >> absolutely, nancy. and again, there's been no ransom, there's been no call we're doing this for retaliation. not what happened.

we can't have him screaming and yelling at the officers whenever they get there. okay? >> uh-huh. >> give me my [ bleep ] phone. i've got better people to talk to than a [ bleep ] [ bleep ]

who ain't coming. >> they haven't left me alone for six months. i've been the one, the main focus. they just need to move on and look for the right person. >> i believe haleigh is alive. i have faith in god to take care of my baby girl and to find her. and i don't care who had something to do with it. those are the people who need to be put away and bring my baby girl home. >> right now marc klaas is joining us, president and founder of klaaskids foundation, child advocate. she's back in town. police have located her, have tracked her down, but new stepmother misty croslin is not speaking to police. that's over. marc klaas, when your little girl went missing, you practically laid on the steps of the police station and said please, take my dna, polygraph me, hook me up, do it now. i don't want to wait so you can find who took her. >> and that happened 16 years

ago tomorrow, on october 1st. here's the problem. what misty needs to do is come forward and tell the truth. and she's obviously not doing that because there are inconsistencies in her very self-serving story. and the truth doesn't have versions. at least not coming from one person. ironically, it seems like the last holdout, the last person that is really giving her an ability to not go out and tell the truth is wrong, who seems to have become her enabler through this whole thing. ron and his family. it seems to me they should put their foot down and tell misty that the time for being vague is over. it may very well be that she doesn't know what happened to the little girl that night. but that doesn't mean she was there or wasn't there. she's not being truthful. the police don't know what happened. and they need to know. >> t.j. ward, private investigator. weigh in, t.j. >> hey, nancy. how are you? >> good. >> let me tell you, i let her -- i went down there to florida on

her request because she failed two polygraphs and wanted to clear her name. she in fact, when she talked about going to sleep and laying down, it's a false statement, deception. that's one of the things that bothered me. she says she woke up. another inaccuracy. i asked her directly, i said do you know anything about haleigh going missing? and she said no, i do not. nothing at all. inaccuracy. deception. again, i said do you know any persons that may be involved about taking haleigh? "i don't know." inaccuracy. s s s s s s s s s s

the suspect, a woman, knocked heavily on the door. the mother, maria garillo, came to the door. >> she told us the woman came to her door and said she was immigration and she was going to arrest her. and she asked her to identify herself, and the woman began to hit her and pulled out a knife and began to stab her. >> covered from blood to her head all the way down to her toes. >> she suffered nine stab wounds. >> got big holes in her neck from being stabbed. she then slashed across the throat. >> she was able to get out of the house and run across the street for help. and when she returned the baby

was gone. >> she kept saying they're after me. i said we got you right here. you don't have to worry about them after you no more. >> an amber alert has been issued for missing yair garillo. >> who could stab new mom and take a 5-day-old baby like this. >> straight out to mark stewart with wsmz. a mother answers the door to whom she thinks is an immigration agent. the woman, the assailant is a woman? that's highly unusual, mark. who stabs the mother repeatedly. the face, the chest, the breast, all over her body. and snatches the 4-day-old baby? >> nancy, that does seem perhaps unlikely, but it's the only theory at least publicly that police are talking about. they say perhaps this woman knew that maria had just given birth to a son and perhaps followed her, targeted her, wanted a child herself and perhaps orchestrated this attack. that's the leading theory, at least publicly, police are

saying. and off the record, discussions with our sources, we're hearing nothing else. >> well, obviously, that is what happened, because the only thing she took was the baby boy. kate howard with the "tennessean." what can you tell me about the circumstances? >> there's not too much known about it at this time except for the fact this woman, the mother did not know the woman who came to her door that day. she said she had never seen her before in her life. and now of course police are looking into the possibility that she had in fact been followed, possibly by that woman earlier in the day although all they know is a car was following her, they don't know who was driving. >> with me right now is sharon kimball. she is joining us there in front of the home where a stabbing and kidnap of a 4-day-old baby boy took place. she helped the mother after the stabbing.

out to sharon kimball joining us exclusively. miss kimball, thank you for being with us. also with her, eric peterson, also a neighbor. miss kimball, what happened when the mom, when you first saw the mom following the stabbing? >> well, when she came to my door, she said please help me. she said someone -- a woman has stabbed me and she has taken my baby, she's going to kill my baby. >> miss kimble, when you first saw her, when you saw her, the mother, what did she look like? >> she was covered in blood. blood was gushing out of the side of her neck. it was coming down her face. it was all down her body. it was just dripping everywhere. >> miss kimble, this is an important question. did she have anything in the front yard like blue balloons or one of those stork posters or anything celebrating bringing the baby home? >> yes. it was something there saying a baby boy was born at a hospital. he was a new arrival. >> to eric peterson, also joining us there in nashville,

tennessee. everyone, a young mother answers the door, to whom she thinks is immigration on a routine check. instead, she sees a woman who immediately there at the front door begins stabbing her repeatedly. why? to steal her 4-day-old infant. eric peterson is also joining us. eric, what can you add? >> oh, i just heard a loud beating at the door continuously. i finally answered the door, and this lady was completely covered in blood. all over. stuff was dripping all out of her hands. i thought it was a gag. i asked her, what's going on here? she said, "please help me." and i saw the fear in her. and then i knew something was going down. >> what did she do? what, did she want to use your phone? what did she need?

>> no. she wanted to come in and shut that door and told me to go get her kids. told me it was a white lady in the kitchen that was going to kill the newborn child. so i told her she couldn't come in dripping blood like that. i told her hold on, let me go get somebody to take care of you. so i immediately went and got miss kimble from out back. and miss kimble started attending to her. then i asked her if -- what type of weapon did the lady have. it was obvious that she had been hit with a butcher knife, but i wanted to make sure. once i found out what type of weapon she had, i immediately went around the house and got my dog, and we went down to the house. >> so eric -- eric peterson, eric, hold on. hold on. i know you're outside and there's traffic going by. mr. peterson, you actually went

back to the house, and you thought the lady with the knife may still be in there? >> oh, yes, ma'am. i just knew she was in there. but when i got down there, it was a lady in a gray two-door honda tried to run over me and the dog. i really didn't pay that much attention to her. she was a white lady, brown hair in a ponytail, and she went on by real quick after she tried to hit me. >> now, wait a minute. you're saying it was a honda and what color? >> it was a gray honda. two-door. all grayish. >> okay. dark -- >> like it's been sitting in the sun. >> oh, so light gray? >> dark gray. like it's been sitting in the sun for a long time. >> to clark goldband, on our story. the lookout i've got is a black four.

door sedan that may look like a police car. but he's telling me something completely different. you are seeing video of the mother at the hospital begging for the return of her infant child just 4 days old -- what about the discrepancy? peterson is telling me it's a light blue honda, two-door. >> now, nancy, to complicate things a little more, a press conference just wrapped up a few moments ago where law enforcement said they're also searching for a kia spectra that was seen in the area in a walmart parking lot just hours before the attack on the mom. they believe that person may be a witness. there has been some discrepancy on that vehicle you had talked about. law enforcement still trying to sort that out. but they believe it is the four-door black sedan that looks like a police vehicle. >> okay. back to eric peterson, the lookout on the female that i've got is a white female, a white woman about 30 years old, 5'4", heavyset, blonde hair pulled back into a ponytail, black blouse, blue jeans. does that fit the description that you observed, eric peterson?

>> i come very close to that car, me and my dog. i seen a white woman. how old she was, i could not tell you. but she wasn't very old. i can say that. >> to dr. evelyn manaya, an expert in her field, the condition of this 4-day-old child -- when my twins were 4 days old, they were still in the icu. >> that's right, nancy. that's right. you know, the condition of this poor child is that obviously the child has to be taken care of. it can get dehydrated, as you already know, very fast. and you even pointed out on monday's show that the baby needs to be always on its back. now, he looks a little heavy. the baby looks like he's about eight something, eight pounds nine ounces, eight pounds ten ounces or so. so you know, he also needs to be fed more frequently. so that means every two hours. and it's very important. not only that. they're more susceptible to infections. everything. you know? >> got it. to susan moss. this is not the first time that

a female has done violence to get a baby. weigh in, susan moss. >> absolutely. unfortunately, it is not uncommon. mom was stabbed, the child was grabbed, and this perp needs to be nabbed. luckily, law enforcement is taking this very, very seriously. and i don't think anyone in this community is going to rest until the perps are brought to justice. >> paul batista, i guess your defense is going to be insanity? >> well, we haven't met her yet, nancy. we have to figure out who she is and what she's like -- >> when did that ever stop you? >> but it is a possible defense, nancy. it depends on who the perpetrator is. >> all right. we'll all be right back. we're taking your calls live. to tonight's safety tip. criminals target anybody. but with preparation you can be one step ahead and prevent a mugging. if possible, don't travel alone. groups deter muggers. avoid unfamiliar locations. stay alert and aware of your surroundings. it's so easy to become blase. don't make yourself a target. keep valuables out of sight. don't flash expensive jewelry. don't show off large amounts of cash.

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it's vitally important that the community be on the lookout for an individual, for a woman, who has a child inexplicably. a person who was not pregnant but all the sudden is carrying around a child who meets this particular child's description. the abductor once again is described as a heavyset white woman, approximately 5'4" tall who had her blond hair in a ponytail on tuesday afternoon. we're also being told that she spoke some spanish. >> it's not the first time a woman has committed violence, although it's extremely rare for women to commit this type of violence, especially in order to steal a baby. lisa montgomery killed bobbie jo stinnett, cut the child out of her body. effie good sonl, michelle

beeker, karina roberts, angela dimament. the list goes on and on and on. violence inflicted by women to get babies. and to you, paul batista. you're saying you haven't met her, so you don't know what the defense is going to be. it's always insanity. come on, tell the truth. you've got eric peterson, the neighbor, she tries to run him down. he got a good look at her. the victim lived. i'm sure she regrets that, the perpetrator regrets that. everybody saw her. she has nowhere to go. so her defense cannot be not guilty unless it's not guilty by reason of insanity. >> well, nancy, obviously any competent lawyer who finally meets this client is going to have to really explore that defense. and it may be the only defense. >> put him back up on the screen. >> but it depends on what she is really like. >> she is really like?

a kidnapper and a would-be murderer. that's what she's really like. >> the fact that it's a heinous crime does not mean necessarily, nancy, that she's insane within the meaning of the law. it has to be evaluated. >> you know what? you know what? i know that. i'm worried that you don't know that. but thank you for clearing that up, paul batista. caryn stark, help me out. i need a shrink. >> okay, nancy. even though it's unusual for women to be violent, not baby snatchers. they are desperate. these are people who really believe this is their baby, and they're going to kill in order to have their baby. they've convinced themselves that they're determined, they're allowed to have this baby. >> and they're also convinced that they would make a better mother. you know, after covering all of these stories, there was no way i was going to put a sign up, a balloon. nothing in the front yard when i brought the twins home. i brought them home with a blanket over their head. i want to go back to marc klaas. what do we do to find the baby,

marc klaas? >> well, first of all, you know, these kinds of crimes used to happen in hospitals until hospitals clamped down on security. and now they're happening in the community. what we have to do is stop advertising the fact that we have newborn babies in our homes because, as you said, these kinds of crimes are happening with increasing regularity and we're covering one every couple of months. and this just can't be. these mothers deserve to be at home with their little children so they can raise them in a loving -- and a nurturing environment. >> marc klaas, you are preaching to the choir. after reading this story, i guarantee you i'm going to be up pacing the house all night looking out the windows. okay. very quickly, i want to go to sheryl mccollum. you're the director of the cold case squad. how would you go about finding this baby and solving this case? >> you're going to tell the public to pay attention. any friend or family member that's giving you some bogus

story about why they suddenly have a baby, it's bogus. call the authorities. >> so now we're relying on the public. everyone, the tip number, 615-862-8600. mommy's in the hospital covered with would-be fatal wounds. this 4-day-old baby boy is with a psychotic would-be killer. 615-862-8600. don't be tricked by the fact the perpetrator is a woman. we are switching gears very quickly and taking your calls. a famous hollywood megastar collides with lady justice. take a listen. >> fellow filmmakers are rallying behind oscar winner roman polanski as his attorneys file a motion to have him released. >> he photographed me topless. he'd seen me topless. i just was thinking, well, this is very european, it must be all right. >> in all, 138 people including

directors woody allen, pedro almodovar, and martin scorsese, among others in the film industry, signed a petition against his arrest. >> i said no. i didn't fight him off. i said no, no, i don't want to go in there. no, i don't want to do this. no. and then i didn't know what else to do. we were alone. >> recently unsealed grand jury testimony included a 13-year-old victim's story of being plied with champagne, part of a quaalude, then being raped and sodomized by a 43-year-old man. >> i need to go home because i'm not feeling well. and then that progressed to, you know, eventually why don't you come in here and lay down? into a very dark room. and that's when i really realized, you know, what his intentions were. >> now, after 30 years after roman polanski, the megastar hollywood director, admits under oath he raped a 13-year-old girl, her sworn testimony is that he also anally raped her, he's finally arrested after 30 years hiding out in his luxury chalet in europe. and hollywood is shocked?

eh, eh. they're shocked he's arrested. why weren't they shocked when he raped a 13-year-old girl he had high on champagne and quaaludes? that's my question tonight. tom o'neil, senior editor "in touch weekly," hit me. >> 138 filmmakers disagree with you, nancy. and with me. they signed this petition that demands his immediate release because he was nabbed unfairly, they say. that he was en route to a film festival. and -- >> what's unfair about that? >> i know. they say that there's something sacred about film festivals, that -- >> okay. who is "they?" woody allen, who was accused of taking photos of his minor adopted daughter -- >> mm-hmm. >> that's an endorsement. martin scorsese, penelope cruz, tilda swinton, michael mann. who else? who am i missing? >> inaratu, the director of

"babel." >> guillermo del toro. david lynch. okay. so they are petitioning who for his release? >> they're petitioning the government of switzerland to let him go because he was nabbed unfairly they say at an international cultural event. welcome back. how terrifying, the father of a we are taking your calls. happy retirement to georgia friend bo ryles as director and state leader of the georgia 4-h foundation, one of the largest programs in the world. it's 43 years, before moving on to a career as camp counselor, he was a 4-h 'er.

considered the best program in the country. his portrait on display and avid runner. the favorite joy, sun down with 23-year-old son, time with mom ethel and sweetwater wife of 25 years becky. congratulations, bo ryles. lady justice finally catches

lady justice finally catches up with a hollywood superstar who 30 years ago pled guilty to raping a 13-year-old child. now hollywood's whining he should be released. we are taking your calls. sheba illinois, hi. >> caller: hi, darling. this is disgusting. >> i agree. >> caller: he raped her and then sodomized her. her life is ruined up to this point. she's got to have all kinds of problems up to this point. he should be sent over here and have to do his sentence and i hope that the judge that sentenced him is still alive.

>> sheeba in illinois, i agree with you and only hope that the judge is listening. elie, what more can you tell me? >> a lot of the support is based on the documentary of last year. a prosecutor -- >> all the support? you mean wood i can allen, the guy who married his underage daughter? okay. >> that's the guy, yeah. >> go ahead. >> yeah. so in the documentary a prosecutor now retired claims that he had a conversation with the judge on the case and strategized about how to go back on that plea deal, send polanski back to jail. now he says he tells marcia clark she's got an article about it in "the daily beast xwts saying i lied. all i did is show the judge a picture of polanski at octoberfest. the judge decided to send him back to jail on his own. >> that was a negotiated plea for just a few days behind bars

if the judge had rejected that, polanski would have had the right to go to trial. everybody, let's stop this and remember marine lance corporal steven chavez. lost his life hours after talking to his dad and one week before he was set to come home. he wanted to enlist since six grait, wearing camouflage. loved outdoors, fishing with his father, camping, sports, playing guitar. dreamed of starting a band. follow jim to freedom. leaves behind parents, brother and sister. steven chavez, american hero. thanks to our guests but especially to you. and a special good night from georgia friends of the show donna and susan. both dedicated mothers and both beautiful. everyone, i'll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp eastern. until then, good night, friend.

jon gosselin says stop the divorce? didn't he just say he des spizs kate? sorry jon, you blew it. revelations about her relationship with her famous father. mckenzie says her dad paid for her abortion. the brand new all out hollywood war over polanski. who is defending his guy? what is with these stars falling? what is tripping them up? you have got to see this. that is your news break.