tv Tonight From Washington CSPAN October 1, 2009 8:00pm-10:59pm EDT
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i'm anderson keeper. every hour today we're revealing one of our top ten cnn heroes for 2007. from west palm beach, florida. once homeless himself. roy now helps other veterans overcome addiction and homelessness. i'll be back in an hour with our next top ten cnn hero at 11:00 p.m. go to cnn.com/heroes and start voting for the cnn hero of the year whole win $100,000. tonight, a 5-year-old florida girl tucked into bed. five hours later she's gone. vanished. the back door propped wide open. daddy comes home from the night shift to find not a trace of
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little haleigh. police say the last person to see haleigh alive refuses to give straight answers about the night the child goes missing. unable to account for crucial hours surrounding the alleged kidnap. in a stunning twist, the brother of girlfriend-turned-stepmom, misty croslin confesses he goes to haleigh's house the night she goes missing. pounds on the door repeatedly. nobody home. croslin's own mother and father also publicly state they doubt her story. as girlfriend-turned stepmother, misty croslin flunked another polygraph. where is little haleigh?
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>> how are you doing right now? >> i just want her to come home. i want to find her. >> i know that you're 17, i can't even imagine at my age going through this. >> it's horrible. >> it's very hurtful. very. >> i know -- i know at first it seems like a lot of people that have been kind of like, i don't understand how this could be the situation where you don't hear her. did you hear anything? >> i didn't hear anything at all, nothing. if i heard something, i would have got up and i wouldn't have let them take her. >> so what happened? >> okay. i put her to bed about, you know 8:00. that's the time. i put her to bed. and her blanket and my blanket. my blanket was on the vanity hook. so we had a blanket hanging on the window and i had to wash that and her blankit, her blanket -- she had peed on her blanket the night before i
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guess. it smelled like pee. i washed the blanket and i gave her a little sheet to cover up with and she fell asleep. i put a blanket on her. then i laid down. and about -- i'm not positive what time, it was like 3:00, you know, i'd seen 3:00. 3:00 in the morning i got up. i got up because i had to use the bathroom but i didn't make it to the bathroom. i'd seen my kitchen light on and i walked in the kitchen and the back door's wide open and i didn't notice about haleigh not being there until i had seen the back door and i went over and she's gone and that's all i know. is when i woke up -- when i went to sleep she was there. and then when i woke up, she was gone. >> i know you've been intensively questioned by police. what has that been like for you? >> it's been hard. but i'm trying to do everything to find her. you know i'm answering any questions i have to cause i know i didn't do anything to that little girl. i would never hurt her. i mean they love me. i mean, they look at me like
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their mom, you know? you ask little jimmy he'll tell you. they talk lovely about me and i'm so good to them kids, real good. >> so you woke up and that was it. you saw the door open. did you leave the light or o or. >> no. >> somebody turned the light on? >> the lights had to get turned on because i know them lights -- i was in the hallway where the back door is. the dryers are right there. i was washing clothes and that back door was shut, you know? and i just, like, opened. it's open. >> did you take the polygraph? >> i did. but i'm not supposed to talk about that. >> uh-huh. >> they told me not to talk about that. >> but you did go? >> yes, i did take a polygraph. >> and you passed it? >> i mean, my understanding is that i passed it, you know? >> what do you want people to know? >> i just want everybody to know that i didn't do anything with that little girl. i loved her like she's my own. and i'll do anything to get her back. and if people think that i have
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something do with it, if i had something do with it, if i knew where she was, we wouldn't be sitting here today. we'd have her. and i don't -- i don't know where she is. >> she's a sweet baby, i can tell. >> she is so sweet. she's a smart little girl. she's intelligent, you know? she's a real good girl. a real good girl. >> what is your heart? you said you think of her like your daughter. >> like my daughter. >> what does your heart tell you right now? >> just need to find her, you know? i mean, find her. >> you believe she's still out there? >> yeah, i do believe she's still out there. somebody has her. i mean i don't want to think of the bad, you know? that runs through my mind, but i don't want to think of the bad. >> what about this worker that was -- >> the a.c.? my brother was -- the a.c. guy had come and my broth her come ten minutes after the a.c. guy. me and my brothers and the kids and my nephews were out there. all of the kids were playing in
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the backyard. haleigh was on her bike, doing wheelies. having fun with my nephews and the a.c. guy, he was in the house by himself. we didn't go in the house. i didn't go in the house with him. i sat on the front porch for a little while. >> you don't suspect him? >> i mean, i don't know. i mean, they talked to him, and you know, they -- they said that they -- >> who would want to do this? i mean do you think any reason to do this to you or to your boyfriend? my don't know, i mean, we're good people. we don't, you know? we don't really have friends, you know? i really don't know how people in -- i know a couple of girls you know? they're not my friends. they're just there. i hang out when i need to get away and i know i shouldn't hang out with them but you know sometimes i just need a break. >> yeah. >> and i go hang out with them but not no more. >> you said a brick. a brick that had propped up? >> i brick, like a cinder block
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that was holding the screen door open. and that brick -- that back door was always closed. i had never seen that brick around there. the cops said there was a whole bunch of bricks about 50 feet away. but i'd never seen any bricks at all. >> so somebody propped open the screen door with a brick? >> yeah. >> okay. so bring her home. >> yeah. i just want her to come home. that's. and i just want her to be okay and whoever has her i just want them to bring her home. just safe. >> calm down. . >> i just want her to come home safe. and i thank everybody all there that's helping us, you know? we really, really appreciate it. that everybody's helping us, you know?
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just if anybody knows anything, please call us and let us know. we just want her home, that's. >> are is she is a real sound sleeper? >> she gets cramps in her leg, you know? and i have to rub her legs to get the cramps out of her legs to get her back to sleep. and you know, she didn't make a sound that night. i would had woke up if i had heard a noise. i didn't hear anything at all. i was really exhausted that day, you know? really exhausted. when i laid down, i guess, i, i was out. >> did she -- there's no way she could have wandered off? >> no, she is scared of the dark. she would not go anywhere by herself. she would not -- not by herself. >> do you think that something happened and you just didn't hear it? >> yeah, i didn't hear, and i wish i did because i wouldn't had let no one take her. >> are you blaming herself? >> i just know, like, i feel like that, you know, i wish that
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they would had taken me instead of her because i could had fought. you know she's only 5. she can't really do anything and i just wish they would had taken me instead of her. what do they want with a little 5-year-old? >> uh-huh. anything else that you want to say, misty? >> i want her home. if anybody knows where she is, please bring her home. safe. that's. i just want her home. next, exclusive with haleigh's father, ronald cummings.
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as the desperate search for a 5-year-old florida girl, haleigh cummings goes oinvestigators bring haleigh's father, ronald cummings, in for intense questioning about phone calls. calls made in the hours leading up to haleigh's disappearance. cummings trying desperately to reach new stepmother misty croslin that night, at least 20 calls. no answer. croslin's brother thrown behind bars on a gun charge. confessing to police, he goes to haleigh's house the very night she goes missing. pounds on the door, over and over, nobody home.
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where was new stepmother misty croslin during those crucial hours? >> it's been more than seven months since anyone has seen little haleigh cummings' bright smile or heard her laugh. and now we're getting new information from investigators about the night the 5-year-old was last seen. police now say haleigh's dad, ronald cummings, called misty croslin repeatedly while he was at work and no one answered. then, according to deputies, cummings called down to her family's home just down the street looking for her and talked with her brother. >> hank says that he answered that call from ronald, which we know was made. he says, he answered it. and it was ronald saying "go check on misty." and he says that he complied with that request. and misty did not answer the door. the house was dark and quiet. >> our cam rafs rolling after hank croslin jr, misty's brother, was taken from his jail cell to be questioned by police. that's when deputies say
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croslin's brother told them, it looked like no one was home that night. >> he demonstrated to us loudly and for a few seconds, and then he waited around, you know, to presumably see if someone was going to be roused that they were sleeping or whatever. he made -- he tells us, that he made a good effort to see if someone was home. >> major gary bowling says croslin's interview had nothing do with the search of this pond. but he says the interview does cast more doubt on misty's story. that she was home watching movies with the two kids. >> what we need is for misty to come down here and tell us the truth. >> he says that's why they've released this new information. >> we know that it applies to pressure in the area. where pressure needs to be aployed and that's by misty. mist kerelieve this pressure. we need to go down to the sheriff's office and really lay now the clear terms what i was doing from 8:00 p.m. until 3:00 a.m. >> to ronald cummings, joining us tonight. he is haleigh's father. he's joining us exclusively
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since this arrest. ronald, what do you make of it? >> ms. nancy, i don't know what to make of it. i just don't know what -- i don't know what to think. >> well, what is the brother-in-law telling you? what are you hearing from misty's family? >> ms. nancy, we don't have much contact with the family. misty has an injunction. so we don't have any contact with them. >> to terry shoemaker the attorney for ronald cummings. do you believe he was taken into custody in order to put pressure on him to find out what he may or may not know about haleigh's disappearance? >> well, you know like was just said, i know $50,000 is very high bond for a grand theft, you know? so i would imagine they're looking at every angle they can. and if they think that they can put a little weight on him and get him to talk about anything he might know i'm sure they're going do that. >> now, let me ask you this.
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back to you, ronald cummings. you say that no more communication's with misty croslin's family. what is misty croslin telling you? is there any possibility that she left the home that evening and hasn't told you? >> if there is a possibility of it, i don't know anything about it. >> when we come back, inside the home where 5-year-old haleigh cummings vanishes into thin air.
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an exclusive tour inside the home where 5-year-old florida girl, haleigh cummings, was reportedly snatched from her own bed. >> marlaina, show me the girl's room. that's the first thing i want to see. >> okay, nancy, well we're standing right here, right beside me on my left is the bed where misty croslin was sleeping. and here on the right we had the bed where little haleigh was sleeping. and you can see, it is all about about 3 1/2 feet from each other. and this is right where misty said she got up and she had to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night.
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now, where i'm facing right now, nancy, is a bathroom. it's the master bathroom. through the living room behind me is the other bathroom in the house. and you have to remember, she said that when she got up to go to the bathroom she saw that the kitchen light was on. the kitchis over this way. so that means she would have had gotten up and gone out this door and then have noticed. >> okay, stop. marlaina, are you telling me that she did not go to the bathroom, the baby-sitter did not go to the rest room, the master bathroom? she chose instead to go out the door across the kitchen to another bathroom? >> that is the asummption we're making. we asked theresahaleigh's grandmother standing with us, she's not sure what bathroom she used but if she saw the kitchen light on she would have had to use the other bathroom in the home, nancy. >> was the door open or shut, ms. neves? because if the door was closed, that rules out her seeing the kitchen light. so was that bedroom door open
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when she realized the kitchen light was on? >> the bedroom door's always open. >> marlaina, how big is that bedroom? >> the bedroom is, i would say, about -- i would have to say 11x13. >> okay, let's go through the rest of the house. 11x13, thanks. go ahead. tell me what else you observed. >> okay, so -- well, basically, nancy, they kept saying that the door, the back door, which we're about to go to, is about 16 feet from the bedroom. it's a little bit more than that, actually. if i had to guess, it would probably be about 25. but i'm going to show you the back door. and show you how both doors closed automatically. so -- and i'm also going to show you the lock because the lock is about three feet from the floor. and we know that that's about as tall as haleigh stands. so here's the back door and here's the lock. it sticks.
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so -- there you go. now we open the back door. and here's the back screen door. the one that was propped open with the cinder block, okay? now if you see, when it closed, it slams. it makes a loud noise. but if you leave this door, this slowly closes as well. so it leaves a lot of questions as to what exactly -- how exactly did this person do this? next, was new stepmother, misty croslin, even home the night little haleigh goes missing?
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thrown behind bars on a gun charge. we learn the brother of new stepmother, misty croslin, confesses during a late-night jailhouse interrogation. he goes to haleigh's house the night she goes missing. pounds on the door, desperately. nobody home. this, a full seven months after haleigh goes missing. then a letter surfaces. outlining details of a drug-fueled party where little haleigh, allegedly, accidentally ingests the heavy-duty painkiller, oxycontin and dies. cops call the lert a farce publicly, but still investigate and interrogate. this, after girlfriend-turned-stepmother, misty croslin, reportedly flunks
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yet another polygraph. ronald, what do you make of misty flunking a polygraph? >> i don't know anything about her flunking a polygraph. i know what said about it but i'm not a polygrapher myself so i didn't see any results. i didn't get to, you know? i was told by the polygrapher who did the polygraph that it's not judged in percentages. that the polygraph is either a failed or a pass, not in a percentages. >> well, okay. let's take with what you know. that you either fail it or you passed it. well, according to these reports she flunked it. i mean royally flunked it. and that's got to concern you. >> well, until i see more physical proof of what's going on, ms. nancy, there's -- my concerns are still on keeping haleigh's face on the tv and
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being sure that she is found. and whoever has done this to her or is put away. >> okay, ronald, i understand that you want to keep haleigh's face out there. we are doing that. but i know you. and i do not believe you are not concerned about a report that your wife flunked a polygraph. it would concern me. >> nancy, if i may, of course ronald's concerned about a lot of things going on right now, but i think the main thing he's concerned about is making sure that haleigh's found. and again, we would like to thank you for keeping haleigh in the spotlight, making sure everyone continues to look for her, and helping us every way that you possibly can. now, we're more concerned with that aspect, rather than whether or not misty may or may not have done well on a polygraph. >> you know, mr. shoemaker, you
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have an excellent reputation. and what you just said does not make one ounce of sense. of course you want her picture out there. of course you want the help of the media. but for the last person known to have seen haleigh alive, to have reportedly flunked a polygraph, how you can suggest that is not a major concern, you want to find her, you want to find haleigh, then find out why misty reportedly flunked a polygraph. gentlemen, does that not make sense to you? ronald cummings, i would like to hear it from you. >> nancy, what you're saying makes perfect sense to me, but why is law enforcement -- i'm not law enforcement. i can't interfere with their investigation. i can't do anything about a polygraph or any results. >> well, what is she telling you, ronald? what is she telling you? she took that police polygraph. i don't believe that she passed it the first time. i don't believe she did. and then this one and then that voice stressed test.
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something is wrong with her story, ronald. >> i don't know, ms. nancy. >> ronald, i know that your heart's desire is to bring her home alive. i'll never forget the first time i heard your 911 call. and i think that is exactly the way i would have reacted. if i came home and the twins were gone, and i want to know what you want to tell the viewers tonight. >> i want to tell them to keep haleigh's face out there and if you have any information leading to her disappearance, to call it in. it don't matter who it hurts. and i want to let everyone know that i'm not hiding anything for anybody. and if somebody has something to do with it, let them fry, so be it. whoever it might be, that's who it is, let's bring haleigh home. >> ronald, why did police
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question misty croslin's brother and sister-in-law? what was that all about? they kept them for hours. >> ms. nancy, i don't have a clue what they questioned them about. i'm not allowed around them. >> that's right, i understand. ronald, what do you believe is being done now in the search for haleigh? i know that they've just finished another search around your home. and they did that because your wife, misty croslin, directed them to a particular spot. >> well i'm happy that they're still searching. i hope that they found my child alive, obviously. but one way or another i want my daughter to come home. >> ronald you said -- >> i need some closure. >> -- you said that you don't care who it hurts and that you're not covering for anybody. >> that's right. >> okay and i assume from knowing you, that you mean that. so my question to you tonight is, now that you have been told whether you accept it or not
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that your wife has flunked a poly have you asked her what's happened? what does she tell you? i mean i saw her on the "today" show, and they asked her, why did you give two different stories? and she said, i don't know. that doesn't make sense. >> i asked her, but i don't get any answers from her about, you know -- i don't see what -- what she's telling me is not inconsistent. >> okay. and what is it she tells you? what is her story about what happened that night? >> the same thing that she's telling police or whoever that she went to bed -- she put haleigh to bed. done some laundry. went to bed. and woke up to the door propped open. >> ronald, you and i have been on this story from the very, very beginning. and i don't even like asking the medical examiner questions like that. while i know you are listening,
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because you're holding out the hope, as i am, that she is alive. >> yeah. >> once again, i want you to make a plea to the viewers tonight, everyone the tip line is 888-277-8477. go ahead, ronald. >> please, whoever who knows anything about haleigh's disappearancing anything about where she might be now or anything about anything from february 9th to february 10th of 2009, please call the crimestoppers of the putnam county sheriff's office. >> and please know, ronald, that you are in our thoughts and prayers, as is little haleigh. ms. neves, at one point i recall that junior, the little brother, has stated that there were other people in the home that evening. what do you recall about his
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statement? >> junior's initial statement to the law enforcement was that he saw a man in black, i believe was what they said. >> yes. >> and then it changed, you know? but he didn't change it. other people changed it. >> yes. ms. neves, what do you make of this letter? do you put any stock in it. >> nancy, i'm like you. i do not think that many people with a $70,000 reward are not going to sit at home and not say anything. i do not believe for one second that my granddaughter would take something like that because of the taste of it. just simply for that fact. >> we're all throwing around legal theories and this letter, and whether it's true or not. what is your message tonight? >> i believe haleigh is alive. i have faith in god to take care of my baby girl in finding her. and i don't care who had something to do with it.
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those are the people who need to be put away and bring my baby girl home. >> ms. neves, why are you so sure haleigh is still with us? >> because i stand on god's promise that if you pray and believe that he will give you what you pray for. >> ms. neves, tell me how ronald is holding up. i mean, he comes on our show frequently. and he's always so strong. how is he holding up? >> he's not as strong at home as he is on tv. but he has to be strong for junior, you know? so he does the best that he can. he keeps his crying to his self
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at night and tries to make junior happy until haleigh comes home. >> how is junior? does he even realize at this juncture that haleigh is gone. >> junior thinks that haleigh is lost and she's finding her way home. he actually drew her a map so she could find her way home. but he doesn't realize the longevity, i think, of it. >> you know, i focus so much on where is haleigh, what happened that night? you know junior has been lost in the mix. i cannot imagine, god forbid the thought, that i would ever have to explain to one of the twins where the other one was. where they were not at home. what do you tell them? >> that angels are watching haleigh. and she'll be home soon. >> ms. neves, when you hear
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about, for instance, this letter -- >> yes, ma'am. >> -- how does that affect you? whether you believe it or don't believe it, when you hear there might be a break in the case. >> ms. nancy, we would love to have a break in this case. and we really would not care who it implicates as long as it brings haleigh back to us. you know this letter is a little far-fetched, i think, because haleigh doesn't like medicine. and oxycontin, i've had to take it. i think it's a very nasty taste. and i can't imagine haleigh taking it. so -- but you know, anything that would bring haleigh home, that's what we want. >> with me is teresa neves, this is haleigh's paternal grandmothe grandmother. ms. neves, you stand very strongly behind misty croslin's story. what do you make of police saying that she has the answers?
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>> i have to leave the investigative part of this to law enforcement. because, you know, if i go with every whim and every accusation then i'm going to be flipping back in forth in my life. and what we stand -- you know, we just stand for haleigh here. we just want haleigh to come home. and i want them to find whoever this is. and i don't care who it is. but we want haleigh to come home. when we come back, where was new stepmom, misty croslin, during the crucial hours when 5-year-old haleigh disappears?
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failed pole graphs, repeatedly changing the story, physical evidence inside the home. florida investigators and even family say they don't believe stepmother, misty croslin's story. the story surrounding haleigh's sudden disappearance. >> on haleigh's birthday, misty cross lin-cummings put posters up. and tim miller with equusearch helping in haleigh's search, she
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was positive. >> i think they're going to be able to -- >> miller said she told him he wanted to clear her name. he set up an independent polygraph. he says she failed it miserably. >> miller says croslin-cummings wanted to do more so she took a voice analysis test. she failed that too, and he says she was uncooperative with a hypnotist. gave to the putnam county sheriff's office. >> it indicated that misty was deception indicated, is the official statement, which is no surprise to us. we said all along that misty has been inconsistent in her statements. and i agree with the point that was made by tim miller's investigator, which is that misty's consistency is
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inconsistency. >> misty signed a paper saying she had an attorney bhorks did to the want her to take the test, but that she still wanted to take them. she told him she was pressured to take the test and if that if she did not miller would not search for haleigh. miller denies that. investigators say nothing that the point to charge misty croslin-cummings in regarding to haleigh's disapearance. >> we think that misty needs to tell us some things. fill in some inconsistencies about as far as we're willing to go with that statement. but we're going to stop just short of saying, and therefore, we have probable cause to make an arrest. we don't. if we have probable cause to make an arrest at this, this point we probably would have. >> the mother of missing florida girl, 5-year-old haleigh, also with her the grandmother, haleigh's grand mother crystal sheffield. thank you for being with us. this is haleigh's mother. crystal, what do you make of the recent developments, the developments especially about
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misty croslin flunking a polygraph? >> i thought all along she had something do with it. and now this kind just proves it. i mean -- >> so why do you say you thought all along that? >> she's the last one to see our daughter. and her stories just don't add up. everything she says is crazy. i mean, it's like the cops say, they're inconsistent. >> have you talked to ronald about the inconsistencies? >> i've said something to him about her recently. and he pretty much was, like, what do you want me to do? so -- >> what did you say to him? i mean, his response kind of -- to interpret, depends on what you said to him. what did you say to him? >> i told him how i felt about her test results.
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and i told him i really didn't want to be around her anymore. like when i picked our son up. and he was just, like, what do you want me to do? so maybe we can talk about it. >> you mentioned that misty croslin's first polygraph, the one administered by police, was full of inconsistencies. how did you find that out? >> no, not the polygraph. just her stories. i know nothing about the polygraph from the police. >> uh-huh. >> they have not revealed that. >> okay. why did you -- where did you learn of what she told police was full of inconsistencies? >> the -- it was on your show, actually. i think it was one of the investigators. he said that we've known all along that her stories were full of inconsistences. >> to you ms. griffiths. thank you for being with us. you stated at very beginning you
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doubted croslin's story, why? >> because of the inconsistencies with the bed and who was sleeping in what bed. there was four different story. >> what different stories. >> what were the forestories? >> well, one minute all three of them were in the same bed. then haley was on a different bed. and it was just her and butter bean. and butter bean is junior, by the way. then he was in a totally different room, other than her and haleigh. and it just kept getting bigger and bigger. >> what, if anything, have you been told about her police polygraph? >> that they were full of inconsistencies. >> such as? >> as her time line. they can't figure out whether she was or was not at home. it's -- it's one right after
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another. it's all mind-boggling. >> to crystal sheffield, haleigh's mother. crystal, recently she has suggested that four people were in the home that evening. >> no, the only thing i heard was about the ac guy and her brother. that stopped by. that's only people that i know about. and she said they left, both of them. >> when we come back what happened to 5-year-old florida girl haleigh couple beings?
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tonight, the desperate search for 5-year-old florida girl haleigh. reportedly snatched from her own bed, vanishing without a trace. >> came home this morning to find out that i didn't have a child, that somebody stole my child. it's not like a bicycle or a car. somebody stole my child from me. >> i just want whoever's got her to bring her home. that's all i want, my baby home. >> told me she loved me and she'd see me when i got home. >> she's a daddy's girl.
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she wasn't there when i got home. >> she's the most precious thing in our life. we want her to come home. >> please, haleigh, know that i love you. i love you very much. we will find you. god will bring her home. >> haleigh if you're out there, mommy loves you. and your daddy loves you. we miss you. and we'll be right here. please, whoever has her, bring her home. please. we need her. we need her home. we need to bring her back. i love you. your daddy loves you.
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>> let's stop and remember army 1st lieutenant tyler parten, 24. a west point grab, fluent in arabic. global war on terrorism service medal. combat action badge. loved his god, country, fellow soldiers, writing, music, traveling. leaves behind grieving parents dave and lona, brother daniel. tyler parten, american hero. thanks to our guest, but especially you for being with us. i'll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp eastern. next, a special cnn heroes announcement. until tomorrow night, good night, friend. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com
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i'm anderson cooper. every hour today, we're vealing one of our top ten cnn heroes for 2009. meet andrea, a breast cancer survivor who's bringing early detection to the doorsteps of uninsured women. i'll be back in an hour for our next cnn hero. go to cnn.com/heroes and start voting for our hero of the year. sarah palin's new book "going rogue" has gone to number one and it's not even out yet. now that she's making all this money, will she go away? i hope not.
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oscar-winning director michael moore's new movie is all about the "c" word, capital system. he'll join me to talk about it. michael jackson had a diverse group of friends. there was brooke, there was bubbles and there was boteach. joining me live, not bubble, in the studio is rabbi boteach, author of the michael jackson tapes. plus i'll share a couple of laughs with my good friend comedian jeffrey ross. all this and more from the time warner center in new york city. tonight. some people hate hollywood, not just because of their so call the elitism, but also their defense of people like roman polanski. there are a few celebrity types who seem to understand that sex with a 13-year-old equals rape. for reason i don't understand, this is still a debate.
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here to help clear this up are attorney gloria allred, jami floyd, anchor of "best defense" and "in session." and john fogt, contributor to the huffington post. debra tate, sharon tate's sister said yesterday, there is rape and then there is rape. gloria, rape is rape, isn't it? >> well, of course, nothing was determined, because he entered a plea. entered a plea to unlawful sexual intercourse which is a felony. he admitted he understood at that time she was 13 years old. even if he hadn't confessed to it, in the grand jury testimony, there was a lot of testimony from the victim, joy, that, in fact, he had given her way lewd, that he had given her champagne. there was semen in her panties. he had engaged in various acts. for example, sodomy.
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so i think that we have to understand that this was a crime. >> yeah, but why are they saying -- why is the sister of sharon tate saying, you know, there's rape and there's rape? what kind of thinking is that? >> i'm not a lawyer, first of all. i'm a movie guy. >> but you play one on tv. >> i think there is a difference between statutory rape and classic rape. >> classic rape? >> i don't mean to say classic rape -- >> when you say classic rape -- >> -- where somebody is forcibly and violently pinned down and is struggling violently, et cetera. statutory rape is with a minor. >> there are -- this is what's so hard about the law. there's the emotional reaction to what we think of as stranger violent rape and then there are the classic rational classes of law. there is class d felony rape, which is what this was under the plea agreement. >> right. >> and it was unlawful sexual relations with a minor is what
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he ultimately pled to. he was originally charged with sodomy and rape of a child. those are very different crimes. either way, it's disgusting. >> check out what kirstie alley wrote on twitter yesterday. she said, rape is rape. this is one hollywood star who does not celebrate or defend polanski. is it about time someone said this in hollywood? >> here's what i don't get. i'm a criminal defense attorney. it's my job -- gloria, you know this, right because we go back a long way. it is my job to defend people like roman polanski. i don't understand why anybody else would be. i don't understand why the "a" list comes out and defends this guy. either you're silent or you're a criminal defense attorney defending this guy. >> i was stupid enough to defend him. that's why i'm here. >> why don't you answer the question. you tell us. >> let me answer the question. when i wrote my thing on huffington, i was assuming he'd be expedited, first of all.
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>> extradited. >> he could be expedited too. either way. >> extradited and expedited. >> a little nervous here. no, that he would be extradited and he would go to trial. all i was suggesting was given all the different factors of the case, that the trial should be handled expeditiously and that there should be some leanency shown. i think if you take a 76-year-old man, 30 years after the fact, when the victim doesn't even want this to be reopened, and put him behind bars for the rest of his life, i don't think that serves anybody. >> what do you say to that? >> joy -- >> okay, gloria, wait -- >> -- that the judge should consider all factors as they would in any case. that i agree with. >> go ahead, jump in, gloria. >> well, joy, of course, roman polanski has avoided the day of sentencing. but he can run, obviously, he can't hide because now he's in custody. i hope that he is going to be brought back to los angeles for this. let's remember that he has not been sentenced. which means there are still
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felony charges against him pending. meaning rape by drug. perversion, which is oral cop u lation. giving controlled substances to minors -- to a minor. sodomy. and other charges. so these are very, very serious crimes. and hollywood should not be minimizing them. if this were a day laborer instead of a famous movie director, a rich and famous one -- >> right. >> -- would they be rallying around and saying a day laborer from another country should somehow get leniency or mercy? >> no, if he were joe the plumber, he'd be thrown into jail. peter fonda for instance told a zurich radio station that -- this is what peter fonda said, polanski is, qu and noted the victim has asked for the case to be dismissed. murder is bad, but rape -- in a certain way, it's a violation -- it kills the soul. it's a kind of murder. so i think that that's why
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people are not happy about this and they want him to be punished. >> i just think the victim's voice should be -- should be heard here. and i think it's important. also, think it's important -- >> the victim's voice -- the victim's voice can be heard at the victim impact sentencing. but this is not her case. it's the case of the people versus -- people of california versus roman polanski. and he committed a crime or crimes -- if that's proven -- against the people of state of california. and that is what's important. by the way, the victim herself has never recanted her testimony to the grand jury about what he did to her. and that she was in fear. and that she -- >> but she has filed papers asking, gloria, for this to be expedited. >> she has asked that -- >> right? >> -- this is ruining her life -- >> it doesn't mean it should be dismissed. >> she wants to move on. >> this was shocking to me. listen to what former san francisco mayor willie brown said on the "today" show.
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watch. >> the judge had already agreed what the sentence would be. when the judge became concerned as a result of having to run for election and otherwise, i think, it became clear that the judge was going to go in a different direction. >> gloria, what's up with willie? >> well, willie says that he has been friends with roman polanski for 30 years. so maybe he's got, you know, maybe he's not quite as objective as he might be if he weren't friends with roman polanski for 30 years. but all i can say is it's easy to attack a judge who is no longer alive and cannot defend himself. let roman polanski come back and then he can make his argument about judicial misconduct. my guess is that's not going to be a successful argument. he's got to come back and make it and be present in the courtroom. >> go ahead. >> everyone should see documentary "wanted and desired." >> i saw it. >> in that documentary, you have the lead prosecutor and the defense attorney both saying the
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trial was basically a sham and the lead prosecutor who say mormon -- imagine, you know, a straight-laced mormon, saying i can almost understand why mr. polanski chose to flee. isn't that rather unusual? >> he's a man. the guy is a man. let's just go there for a second. >> he's also a mormon. >> he may be a mormon, but he's a man first. >> back to what you said about peter fonda. with all due respect to my former mayor willie brown. rape is a crime of violence. this is something i think to this day men -- many men, not all men -- do not understand. they don't think of it, many men do not -- gloria, i know you and i agree on this, in that way. that's part of the problem in discussing this case. i think, and i say this as a criminal defense attorney, i don't understand why roman polanski just don't come back and face the music. >> he doesn't want to -- >> -- and fight it out and clear it up once and for all. >> if he was a priest, they would have sent him to another parish. thanks to my panel. thank you, gloria. we'll be back in a bit.
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for the sake of those dying people and those family, i apologize to the dead and their families we haven't voted sooner. to end this holocaust in america. >> he shocked many. he'll not the only one. the whole congress has become one big screaming match. jeffrey ross, comedian, author of "i only roast the ones i love" is one of my guests tonight. also, s.c. cup, author and conservativin' blogger. and steve, political blogger. >> if you want too take the long view, you could say 150 years ago, an angry man from south carolina burst in, grabbed a cane and beat a man to within an inch of a life. 100 years later, they're only talking about killing each other. they actually were trying to kill eve other back then. you look at the outburst, whatever. health care has been a debate
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for 100 years. almost nothing's happened. >> it never gets fixed. >> a democrat looks at it and says every time we have the debate, the pattern's the same. then it's republicans that object. we're always answering to what the republicans are saying. he's trying to throw the ball back now. and it gets emotional. >> yeah, except that he's also running for office and he found out that joe wilson filled his coffers because he had an outburst. it's tit-for-tat, isn't it? >> if you look at his district, this is orlando, sort of the suburbs that sprung up around disney world 40 years ago. otherwise, it's been a republican district. this is the kind of guy who tries very hard to go to the right. it's going to be really interesting to see what happens to him in 2010.
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>> you think people are getting meaner in congress? either one. >> it's pretty mean. >> i enjoy that. don't you love to watch that, when they yell at each other? >> it's a little undignified. >> i think they should have mozzarella sticks and a two drink minimum. >> i agree with you. the whole debate has become a big sound bite war. >> if you get sick, america, the republican health care plan is this -- die quickly. that's right. the republicans want you to die quickly. >> mr. gracen, how about apologizing? mr. grayson? >> well, i would like to apologize. i would like to apologize to the dead. i apologize to the dead and their families that we haven't voted sooner to end this holocaust in america. >> where do these nutjobs come from? stop this. >> these are foot-dragging, knuckle-dragging neanderthals.
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>> it's great, isn't it? >> it's really bad. >> you missed the end of that interview where he said "but i'm not calling anybody names." >> it's harry potter's grown-up brother over here. i'm calling people names. obviously, you know, roasting is in. >> roasting is in. you were way ahead of your time. next we should roast obama. >> that's another topic. comedians have pretty much avoided a lot of jokes about obama. >> i think obama's skin is very thick. i think he can take it. can be a whole bunch of jokes about the size of his stimulus package. will be a lot of fun i think. they're going to sling jokes in washington, might as well do it here. >> which do you think is better, death panels or die quickly? who won that sort of sound bite race? >> it's pretty bad. you know, the holocaust is really generally never a safe place to go. i think, you know -- >> i don't think he went to the holocaust.
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i think he meant a hol cost. >> i don't really think there's a -- >> it's a little different. >> i don't think there's a difference. think he's suggesting that republicans are, you know, mass murdering the american population. it's absurd. i'd like him to tell the very few lucky jews who did manage to flee nazi germany that they didn't in fact survive the hol co holocaust, they're just victim, of another one by way of public lawmakers who don't want a public option in health care. >> it's a little over the top, is what you're saying? >> it is. >> the republican apologized. the democrat did not. >> what joe wilson did was different. that was an address to the congress -- >> was that worse? >> yeah, you have republican congressman in the last 30, 60 days. who have gone down to the house floor in a similar one-minute speech and said, you know, the democrat's message to senior citizens is die. so the one-minute speeches are always different. they're always a lot more inflammatory. when you have a head of state, a
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president who comes in and talks to congress, a little more is expected. maybe it should be more like britain. >> that seems to be like -- it seems healthy arguing in england. but there's something going on right now -- i mean, that's a little scarier. wasn't to read something that thomas friedman said yesterday. criticism from the far right has begun tipping over into delegit mation and creating the same kind of climate here that existed in israel on the eve of the rabin assassination. and nancy pelosi, who's practically in tears about the meanness from the right wing and how she's worried it's going to create violence in the country, et cetera. there's a blog or something that they removed, asking people if they wanted to kill obama. i mean, is it scary or is it really not scary? please tell me. >> there was another -- which was also removed calling for a military coup against obama.
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the most undungsal act possible. >> where were the crocodile tears and the outrage when the left fringe were doing this against bush? when they were calling him hit ler? i mean, there was the same kind of stuff happening in the previous administration. >> no call for a coup. >> there wasn't the same kind of outrage and sort of faux sympathy coming out of the journalists or -- >> -- felt he had the militia behind him or something. it wasn't going to be as dangerous as it is for obama. i don't know why. he has the militia too. he could stop all of this, really, at the end of the day. >> it's climate. you're right though. you listen to the arguments being made against him. what was that, the 9/12 march in washington. i didn't attend. i saw videos. maybe i didn't get a good impression of it. i didn't hear a single rationale thought come out of anybody there. cultural anxiety. he's triggered an emotional reaction within people to what he represents individually or
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what they perceive him to represent individually. in terms of the people he sort of -- who elected him. if you look at the policies of the administration, they've actually strained to go to the middle. it doesn't matter. they're just going to get called socialists anyway. >> i want to jump to another topic before we go. i have so many more things to say. sarah palin's book already has top -- has already topped ted kennedy's memoir. >> really? >> it's not even out yet. >> and dan brown. the guy who wrote "da vinci." >> she finished it early? that's her specialty, quitting early, right? >> 400 pages. thank you. i'll be right back and so will jeff ross for another segment.
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i'm back with a very funny comic, jeff ross. his book "i only roeflt tast th i love" is in stores now. >> who says all the hot chicks are on fox news? this is so cool. >> it's cool. let's talk about your book. first of all, it took sarah palin four months to write her book. how long did it take you? >> it took a year. in all fairness, i had to use complete sentences. >> that's true. is it a tell-all? what is it about? >> it is a tell-all. it's not like mack kensy phillips talking about having sex with her father. i don't think we have to tell everything, you know?
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i was molested by bea arthur. you don't see me crying about it on "the oprah winfrey show." >> you know, today we had on speidi. you know, those two? spencer and what's her name, hid heidi? they don't have sex, they were telling me. they don't want to have kids. it's a whole thing. they're getting a lot of press about it. but they like it. they said there's no such thing as bad publicity. >> how about the kanye west? when the president called you jack-ass, it's hard to sprain tt in a positive way. he's a guy who really likes to rain on people's parades. i heard today he went to a little killedd's birthday party threw the cake on the floor. >> not nice. what's the worst press you ever got? >> ooh boy. i don't know. somebody said that i saved courtney love's life once. i do take credit for that
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though. >> how did you do that? >> i roasted her into rehab. it was really a scary, scary day. she was coming at me. i had my jokes. i was on the podium doing a roast. and she was coming towards me. i had to sort of shut her down with a joke. i said, courtney love, you're like the girl next door. if you happen to live next door to a methadone clinic. the next morning, she checked herself into rehab. so roasting saves live, joy. >> it does. some of the roast jokes are mean. they're very mean. >> no. >> the roast for joan rivers had a few mean -- it's mean. but they're funny. >> tricky one because -- >> you say i only roast the ones i love, do you really mean that? >> as far as joan rivers? >> yeah. >> i never roasted a dead person before, but i thought she -- joan rivers was a good sport. i said, joan river if you groogle her, you can find her on craig's and schindler's list. it all comes from a place of affection. >> who would you pay to be able to roast do you think?
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>> the joy behar roast. >> i don't like the idea because you'll say i'm fat, i'm old, i'm not attractive. >> i've had a crush on you for 20 zbleers i've sensitive and touchy about my looks. >> i think it's great you're on "headline news." i think your hair should be on the discovery channel. >> instead of the animal planet. >> i like that. >> let me tell you something, the -- what's his name, delay. tom delay was on "dancing with the stars." >> crazy. >> did you see him? >> i did see him almost drop his dance partner. lucky for him, she had health zblins insurance. >> are you jealous he lasted longer than you? >> it's harold d to believe suc right wing worry have two left feet. i can't make fun of anyone's dancing. i got the lowest score in the show's history. >> he was more ridiculous. >> heather mill's leg flew off, she got a higher score. >> the book is "i only roast the ones i love." when we come back, another
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everyone's got an opinion about my next guest. that's the good news. he's the world's most successful documentary filmmaker. his new movie "capitalism, a love story" opens friday. i'm pleased to be joined by oscar-winner michael moore. >> hi, joy, how are you? >> i'm fine. you're a very polarizing figure. here's a sim pling of some of your critics. >> [ bleep ] slimeball and outrageous in his lies about my family. >> mental institution, michael. might be something you ought to think about. >> he's outside the mainstream.
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the organizations and groups that support him are very angry. >> michael, do you consider it a badge of honor to be called an a-hole by bush sr.? >> i think that's the only time the american people heard him swear. >> i think so. you really got to him. that's beauty of it. >> well, i'm sorry he feels that badly about me. >> oh, so what? >> yeah what can i do? >> you can't do anything. just keep making your films. that agri valts the republicans to know end i guess, right? >> yes, i think so. >> it does. before we get to your new movie, i really thought it was great, i want to ask you about your previous movie, "sickco," for a minute, okay? the senate finance committee rejected the public option. if we don't have the public option in health care reform, what have we really got? >> nothing. >> we got nothing. >> that's right, that's right. it's game over. so if that's really what the democrats want to do in the senate, they raeally just want o thumb their nose at the two-thirds of americans who are
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demanding that public option, i'd like to have them really just explain to us what their definition of democracy is. >> uh-huh. it really is the democrats you're mad at right now, isn't it? >> absolutely. i expect this from the republicans. but not from the people who -- i mean, the nation went to vote last november. and they made it very clear that they wanted universal health care. the people. by a vast majority voted for this. they gave the democrats 60 seats in the senate. and for them to be behaving like republicans, well, i'll tell you. i'm going to be busy next year. whichever one of them are for re-election next year. the same goes for any of the members of the house of congress standing in the way of universal health care. >> so that's what we're going to do? >> or get other people to run against them in the primary. >> maybe we have to be more active in the whole process. >> absolutely.
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>> the right wingers out there with their t.e.a. parties and all this stuff. i think it's because you have to be angry against something like we were previous wars, we're out there marching against a war. and so they're against this health care plan. so that's why they get out, do you think? >> well, geez, if that's the only thing that can motivate us, that's kind of lame. >> i know. >> we always have to be against something? i mean, listen, president obama, um, i support him. but his position on health care -- he started with the compromise. instead of starting with everything we wanted, single payer, you know, everybody's covered, private insurance companies, good-bye. and then if you have to compromise, then you make the compromises you have to make. but you don't start with the compromise. >> do you think he's been too wishy-washy on this topic and he's not the decider like bush was and just plowed his way
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through? >> yes, exactly. it's not that he has -- i don't think he's been wishy-washy. i think he really in his heart wanted to do this together with the republicans. i think he really wanted to say, hey, we can do this together, let's be bipartisan about this. >> yeah that worked really well. >> they had no intention of that. they could care less about his olive branch. >> really. >> they got their chain saw out and chopped it right off. so hopefully he got the message, they don't want to play. okay, you don't want to play? we've got 60 votes senate. here whaes we're going to do. but if there's no -- if there's no requirement of democrats to behave like democrat, then -- then where are we? >> yeah. to you think obama has too much on his plate? he's been criticized that he has too much to do. he's flying to denmark in the middle of this whole mess. he's been criticized. what do you think about that? >> no. i think he's the president of the united states. he does have a lot on the plate. has more to do today than i have to do. so that's just the way it is.
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that he's going to denmark to try to get the olympics in chicago? okay. >> why is he doing that? tell me what the motivation is there. >> i think he cares about chicago. >> cares about chicago? >> yes. >> well, it will bring jobs to chicago, right? and it will start right now i think? they'll start -- >> the midwest needs some help right now. so great. go for it. >> they sure do need a lot of help. let's go to your new movie "capitalism, a love story." i loved the movie. i'm a little confused, i have to say. i really salt through the whole thing. i want to see it again. but you're not giving out screeners. i think you should. anyway, you say, michael, that capitalism is evil. okay. but aren't we both capitalists, you and i? >> no. >> we're not? i mean, i own property. and -- >> well, no, there's nothing wrong with owning property. >> i'm a small business in and of myself. >> good. >> why isn't that capitalism? >> no. well, in countries that are -- have more socialist economy,
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people own property. they have businesses. there's shoe stores. if you work hard or work harder, you earn more. there's nothing wrong with any of that. >> uh-huh. >> i'm talking -- when i say capitalism, i'm talking about what it has become, what it is now. not the version that used to be on "andy of may berry." but what it is now, which is a legalized system of greed. it's a protection system for the wealthy. they've got their ponzi scheme. and it's essentially a pyramid that's set up so only the wealthiest 1% are at the top of that pyramid and the other -- they own -- they actually have as much financial well rigalth now in this country as the 95% under them. 1% equals 95%? i don't think so. so -- >> maybe it's really exor pracom you're talking about. it's the fact that it doesn't have enough regulation. it's the systemic evils within
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the system. >> right, except people have been saying for the last year since the crash, "we need more regulation." how many regulations have passed within last year? none. why? because coapitalism isn't going to allow those regulations to be passed because the bank lobby has made sure in the last year that they don't have to follow the rules. even after they brought the system down, they think they can just continue on. and they've now found new ways to do delive till rivatives and other crazy financial schemes. it's a beast that cannot be tied down. and to try and reform it at this point, think it's too late. >> you do? that's rather depressing. >> it's not depressing. the way i look at it is that capitalism is a 16th century economic philosophy. socialism is a 19th century economic philosophy. let's quit talking about the past. these are old philosophies. we're in the 21st century. can't we come up with something new? a different economic order?
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>> we'll have to think of something else. >> you and i aren't going to do that. we're not economists. >> no. >> but doesn't your common sense tell you we can do better? >> there's a lot of talk about capitalism versus socialism, okay? and here's a sample of the rhetoric we're seeing on right. take a look at this. >> this is why everybody in this room is so ticked off. i don't want this country turning into russia, turning into a socialized country. >> do these people even know what socialism means? i mean, i hear this word bandies around. and they're calling -- they'll call obama a nazi and a socialist. they go on every -- they don't even know what these words mean. what do you say to these people? >> i don't know what to say. i mean this is a real problem. it starts with our educational system. continues on with a lot of our media. we have a semiliterate country now. there's 40 million functional
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illiterate adults in this country now. they can't read or write above a fourth grade level. >> and that's just on my show. >> no, seriously, it's a real problem. national geographic did a poll a while back. they asked young adults 18 to 25 to find iraq or israel on the map and it's like upwards to 80% of them couldn't find. 60% couldn't find england on the globe. and 11% couldn't find the united states on the globe. >> well, maybe these kids should be going to school longer. something's being proposed right now that kids should go to school until 6:00 at night and maybe just work the school year until the middle of july and -- >> i don't know. >> nobody wants to do that. >> no, i don't want to do that either. i just read this story about how in finland they have decided homework is a bad idea. so they discourage homework now. they try to limit the amount of homework that kids take home because they think kids need to play. they need to get out and
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socialize with other people. and part of the problem they see in societies with people not getting along and not being able to function with each other is that we've taken away that time after school where you learn to get along with everybody. instead, you're inside -- i don't know if you -- you know, kids are -- when my daughter was in high school, these kids are up until almost midnight doing homework. it's absolutely crazy. and so finland is essentially reduced it quite a bit. and their test scores have gone up. now they're in a lot of ways they're at or near the top of a lot of testing that goes on in this world. >> i wonder how much ice skating they learn there too. >> yeah. well, you know. >> michael, when i was a kid, i liked school because i was scared to go out in the neighborhood because a bunch of girls always wanted to beat me up. i would have liked to have stayed in school and take more art classes and more gym clals classes. >> i don't know, did the girls beat you up? >> no, because i was just as tough as they were. >> there you go.
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all i keep hearing is president obama is trying to do too much. that he has too much on his plate. rush limbaugh has too much on his plate. barack obama is the president. he's supposed to be busy. sorry, but after two terms of a president who had more time to work on his tan than george hamilton, obama looks like a guy with hyper activity disorder. by the way, how you spend your time is also important, may i just add that? obama has spent the last eight months trying to pass health
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care reform and negotiate a ban on nuclear weapons. bush spent eight years just trying to pronounce the word "nuclear." president obama hasn't taken on too much. he just has to work too hard to achieve anything because a lot of people in congress fight him at every turn. you know, it's easy to just sit on yourcriticize. my staff is doing that right now. rather than accuse obama of being overextended, why can't these blow-hards in congress come up with some alternatives or solutions? all you hear is this endless stream of no, i don't wanna. you're gonna do what? they sound like me on my wedding night. may i offer up this solution? when these lazy s.o.b.s come up for the midterm election, just tell them you would have voted for them, but you were just too busy. that's just me.
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award winning tlc show "shalom in the home." please welcome rabbi shmuley boteach. >> congratulations on your show. even though you took my show, still wish you a heartfelt congratulationings. >> that was a bitter, bitter compliment. >> no, no, it was said with love. the truth hurts. this is going to be fantastic. >> let's talk about michael jackson. the ap is reporting told that jackson's autopsy shows he was fairly healthy. >> i can't say i'm not surprised. i'm fairly surprised. michael wallace eating well. of course when someone dies of a drug abuse and it seems from earlier reports his body had become almost a walking pharmacy. this book actually details why michael felt so lonely and so broken. unfortunately, for too many people in our culture, drugs are a way of compensating. >> i would read in the book he
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would go for weeks without eating. then he would get on an i.v. drip. that's not a sign of mental health, i'm sorry. >> well, i don't know what they mean -- are they saying his his constitution was healthy? i think one of the things that makes this book so searingly honest is how michael wanted to tell the public, wanted to share with the public, how fame and fortune are not what we think them to be. they don't compensate for loss of affection in your childhood. doesn't compensate for loss of unconditional love. think some of michael's fans wanted him to betrayed as much more perfect. he did not want to be martyred. he wanted to win a long happy life. >> i know, he may not have wanted to be jesus christ, but he was a little bit grandiose in some of these statements. god gave me a mission to do something for children. he believed if he had an hour with hitler, he could change
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him. >> a lot of people are trying to say michael was anti-semitic. >> where'd they pick that up? >> because of some controversies related to lyrics. michael is trying to say he believes everybody had good in them. i was trying to respond there are those who have erased the image of god. they have really crossed that line. hitler was one of them. >> exactly. do you believe in evil, rabbi? >> of course i do. the jewish version is very different. the christian version, the devil overtakes some people's lives. in the jewish view, we're all born innocent. no one's born good, no one's born bad. i think the predictability of hitler's evil nature and osama bin laden. means there's no good left in them. their souls have just been on
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lim obliterated. i think when you get up in front of 200,000 people in a stadium and they're chanting your name. and then later some of your friends come and say, well, that's nice, but there are major changes you need to make in your life. it's a very difficult message to hear. i think it's one of the reasons why our superstars die so often. >> a lot of times. >> they all had people who must have said to them, you need to make changes. >> some of the names you threw out there had very difficult childhoods, as did michael jackson. he gave a frightening account of his father's beatings. he said, he would make you strip nude first. he would oil you down so when the tip of the ironing cold hit you, you know, it would just be like dying. but then, you know, michael's sister, latoya, painted a very different picture on "the view," my other show. take a look.
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>> sometimes you get a little spanking if you do something wrong. today, we take it totally out of context as a beating or whatever. >> why was michael so afraid? >> you know, i think it's more or less the facial expressions my father gives out, expression gives out. but it really -- as you grow older, as children we look at things quite differently. as a matter of fact, michael had a wonderful relationship with my father. >> see, a wonderful relationship with her father. according to this, he was made to strip nude, hit him with a cord. what's the truth there? >> michael was very open. in this book especially. but in other avs as well what he considered to have been excessive physicality on the part of his father when he was a child. what's important is from michael's perspective they were true. i don't want to judge joseph jackson. michael does recount in the book repeatedly that amidst these kinds of violent scenes, he loved his father deeply and
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he was a lonely kids wasn't he? >> isn't that amazing. joy, you're a metty famous person and a lot of people think that fame and celebrity brings happiness and here michael jackson was saying he was walking the streets begging people to speak to him. i think he wanted to be known as a person. that's the whole idea of these conversations, michael wanted that natural quality to be captured.
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>> a lot of people blame celebrity on unhappiness and they blame success and the media, and everything. i believe that it comes from your childhood. i believe if you are treated well when you're a kid, you can do anything in this world. the media will not bother you, the attention, the success. his father, my way of thinking, was not very nice. i want to show you -- and the father denies the whole thing. now michael alleged that he got beaten up by his father. la toya glossed over it in that interview i showed and this is what joe jackson said. >> larry: what do you say about all these things that have been said that you harmed michael over the years? >> that's a bunch of bull. >> larry: straighten me out. >> that's not true. >> larry: you never physically harmed him? >> never. >> who are we supposed to believe, the boy who had a lot of difficulties in his life or a man denying it, why should he
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admit it now? >> the tragedy i think -- >> michael is not here to defend his position. >> the tragedy is off one person's reputation is purchased at the expense of someone else's. i don't want that to happen. i want to see a reconciliation between them. whatever happened in michael's life, and you're right, you still have an obligation to heal. >> you have an obligation to heal? how do you do that? you need therapy, a lot of help. >> with michael, a part of the healing came from being a religious person. michael is not just a devout jehovah's witness, he was a missionary. he was the most famous entertainer in the world and he
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would debate you. once he lost that spiritual foundation, he became a life that was largely unanchored. >> one more question before you go. did he actually have sex with women, do you think? >> i never asked him that? our relationship always had a certain dignity to it. but he comes across as someone who is slightly suspicious of women. always attracted to women, but he's suspicious because he said at the age of 5 he was going to strip clubs where he was asked to perform. so he was witnessing these images that were way too adult and concluded that women tried to use their sexual power to gain control over men. so he was attracted to women but it made him suspicious of women. >> okay. and thanks to the rabbi and the rest of my guests for joining me tonight. i'll be back here tomorrow night. time for a little vino.
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police say the last person to see haleigh alive refuses to give straight answers about the night the child goes missing. unable to account for crucial hours surrounding the alleged kidnap. in a stunning twist, the brother of girlfriend-turned-stepmom, misty croslin confesses he goes to haleigh's house the night she goes missing. pounds on the door repeatedly. nobody home. croslin's own mother and father also publicly state they doubt her story. as girlfriend-turned stepmother, misty croslin flunked another polygraph. where is little haleigh? snou
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>> how are you doing right now? >> i just want her to come home. i want to find her. >> i know that you're 17, i can't even imagine at my age going through this. >> it's horrible. >> it's very hurtful. very. >> i know -- i know at first it seems like a lot of people that have been kind of like, i don't understand how this could be the situation where you don't hear her. did you hear anything? >> i didn't hear anything at all, nothing. if i heard something, i would have got up and i wouldn't have let them take her. >> so what happened? >> okay. i put her to bed about, you know 8:00. that's her bedtime. i put her to bed. and her blanket and my blanket. my blanket was on the vanity hook. so we had a blanket hanging on the window and i had to wash that and her blanket, her blanket -- she had peed on her blanket the night before i guess. it smelled like pee. i washed the blanket and i gave
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her a little sheet to cover up with and she fell asleep. i put a blanket on her. then i laid down. and about -- i'm not positive what time, it was like 3:00, you know, i seen 3:00. 3:00 in the morning i got up. i got up because i had to use the bathroom but i didn't make it to the bathroom. i seen the kitchen light on and i walked in the kitchen and the back door's wide open and i didn't notice about haleigh not being there until i had seen the back door and i went over and she's gone and that's all i know. is when i woke up -- when i went to sleep she was there. and then when i woke up, she was gone. >> i know you've been intensively questioned by police. what has that been like for you? >> it's been hard. but i'm trying to do everything to find her. you know i'm answering any questions i have to cause i know i didn't do anything to that little girl. i would never hurt her. i mean they love me. i mean, they look at me like their mom, you know?
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you ask little jimmy he'll tell you. they talk lovely about me and i'm so good to them kids, real good. >> so you woke up and that was it. you saw the door open. did you leave the light on or -- >> no. >> somebody turned the light on? >> the lights had to get turned on because i know them lights -- i was in the hallway where the back door is. the dryers are right there. i was washing clothes and that back door was shut, you know? and i just, like, opened. it's open. >> did you take the polygraph? >> i did. but i'm not supposed to talk about that. >> uh-huh. >> they told me not to talk about that. >> but you did go? >> yes, i did take a polygraph. >> and you passed it? >> i mean, my understanding is that i passed it, you know? >> what do you want people to know? >> i just want everybody to know that i didn't do anything with that little girl. i loved her like she's my own. and i'll do anything to get her back. and if people think that i have something do with it, if i had
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something do with it, if i knew where she was, we wouldn't be sitting here today. we'd have her. and i don't -- i don't know where she is. >> she's a sweet baby, i can tell. >> she is so sweet. she's a smart little girl. she's intelligent, you know? she's a real good girl. a real good girl. >> what is your heart? you said you think of her like your daughter. >> like my daughter. >> what does your heart tell you right now? >> just need to find her, you know? i mean, find her. >> you believe she's still out there? >> yeah, i do believe she's still out there. somebody has her. i mean i don't want to think of the bad, you know? that runs through my mind, but i don't want to think of the bad. >> what about this worker that was at the house? >> the a.c.? my brother was -- the a.c. guy had come and my brother had come ten minutes after the a.c. guy. me and my brothers and the kids and my nephews were out there. all of the kids were playing in the backyard. haleigh was on her bike, doing wheelies.
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having fun with my nephews and the a.c. guy, he was in the house by himself. we didn't go in the house. i didn't go in the house with him. i sat on the front porch for a little while. >> you don't suspect him? >> i mean, i don't know. i mean, they talked to him, and you know, they -- they said that they -- >> who would want to do this? i mean do you think any reason to do this to you or to your boyfriend? >> i don't know. i mean, we're good people. we don't, you know? we don't really have friends, you know? i really don't know a lot of people. i know a couple of girls you know? they're not my friends. they're just there. i hang out with them when i need to get away. i know i shouldn't hang out with them, but sometimes i just need a break. >> yeah. >> and i go hang out with them but not no more. >> you said a brick. a brick that had propped up?
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>> there was a brick, like a sender block that was holding the screen door open. and that brick -- that back door was always closed. i had never seen that brick around there. the cops said there was a whole bunch of bricks about 50 feet away. but i'd never seen any bricks at all. >> so somebody propped open the screen door with a brick? >> yeah. >> okay. so bring her home. >> yeah. i just want her to come home. that's it. and i just want her to be okay and whoever has her i just want them to bring her home. just safe. >> calm down. >> i just want her to come home safe. i thank everybody out there that's helping us, you know? we really, really appreciate it. that everybody's helping us, you know? just if anybody knows anything,
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please call us and let us know. we just want her home, that's it. >> are you a really sound sleeper? >> usually haleigh will wake up, she gets cramps in her legs, you know? and i have to rub her legs to get the cramps out of her legs to get her back to sleep. and you know, she didn't make a sound that night. i would had woke up if i had heard a noise. i didn't hear anything at all. i was really exhausted that day, you know? really exhausted. when i laid down, i guess, i, i was out. >> did she -- there's no way she could have wandered off? >> no, she is scared of the dark. she would not go anywhere by herself. she would not -- not by herself. >> do you think that something happened and you just didn't hear it? >> yeah, i didn't hear, and i wish i did because i wouldn't had let no one take her. >> are you blaming herself? >> i just know, like, i feel like that, you know, i wish that they would had taken me instead
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of her because i could had fought. you know she's only 5. she can't really do anything and i just wish they would had taken me instead of her. what do they want with a little 5-year-old? >> uh-huh. anything else that you want to say, misty? >> i want her home. if anybody knows where she is, please bring her home. safe. that's it. i just want her home. next, exclusive with haleigh's father, ronald cummings.
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as the desperate search for a 5-year-old florida girl, haleigh cummings goes on, investigators bring haleigh's father, ronald cummings, in for intense questioning about phone calls. calls made in the hours leading up to haleigh's disappearance. cummings trying desperately to reach new stepmother misty croslin that night, at least 20 calls. no answer. croslin's brother thrown behind bars on a gun charge. confessing to police, he goes to haleigh's house the very night she goes missing. pounds on the door, over and over, nobody home. where was new stepmother misty
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croslin during those crucial hours? >> it's been more than seven months since anyone has seen little haleigh cummings' bright smile or heard her laugh. and now we're getting new information from investigators about the night the 5-year-old was last seen. police now say haleigh's dad, ronald cummings, called misty croslin repeatedly while he was at work and no one answered. then, according to deputies, cummings called down to her family's home just down the street looking for her and talked with her brother. >> hank says that he answered that call from ronald, which we know was made. he says, he answered it. and it was ronald saying "go check on misty." and he says that he complied with that request. and misty did not answer the door. the house was dark and quiet. >> our cameras were rolling after hank croslin jr, misty's brother, was taken from his jail cell to be questioned by police. that's when deputies say
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croslin's brother told them, it looked like no one was home that night. >> he demonstrated to us loudly and for a few seconds, and then he waited around, you know, to presumably see if someone was going to be roused that they were sleeping or whatever. he made -- he tells us, that he made a good effort to see if someone was home. >> major gary bowling says croslin's interview had nothing to do with the search of this pond. but he says the interview does cast more doubt on misty's story. that she was home watching movies with the two kids. >> what we need is for misty to come down here and tell us the truth. >> he says that's why they've released this new information. >> we know that it applies to pressure in the area. where pressure needs to be applied and that's on misty. misty can relieve this pressure. we need to go down to the sheriff's office and really lay out in clear terms what i was doing from 8:00 p.m. until 3:00 a.m. >> to ronald cummings, joining us tonight. he is haleigh's father. he's joining us exclusively
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since this arrest. ronald, what do you make of it? >> ms. nancy, i don't know what to make of it. i just don't know what -- i don't know what to think. >> well, what is the brother-in-law telling you? what are you hearing from misty's family? >> ms. nancy, we don't have much contact with the family. misty has an injunction. so we don't have any contact with them. >> to terry shoemaker the attorney for ronald cummings. do you believe he was taken into custody in order to put pressure on him to find out what he may or may not know about haleigh's disappearance? >> well, you know like was just said, i know $50,000 is very high bond for a grand theft, you know? so i would imagine they're looking at every angle they can. and if they think that they can put a little weight on him and get him to talk about anything he might know i'm sure they're going do that. >> now, let me ask you this. back to you, ronald cummings.
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you say that no more communication's with misty croslin's family. what is misty croslin telling you? is there any possibility that she left the home that evening and hasn't told you? >> if there is a possibility of it, i don't know anything about it. >> when we come back, inside the home where 5-year-old haleigh cummings vanishes into thin air.
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an exclusive tour inside the home where 5-year-old florida girl, haleigh cummings, was reportedly snatched from her own bed. >> marlaina, show me the girl's room. that's the first thing i want to see. >> okay, nancy, well we're standing right here, right beside me on my left is the bed where misty croslin was sleeping. and here on the right we had the bed where little haleigh was sleeping. and you can see, it is all about about 3 1/2 feet from each other. and this is right where misty said she got up and she had to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night.
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now, where i'm facing right now, nancy, is a bathroom. it's the master bathroom. through the living room behind me is the other bathroom in the house. and you have to remember, she said that when she got up to go to the bathroom she saw that the kitchen light was on. the kitchen is over this way. so that means she would have had gotten up and gone out this door and then have noticed. >> okay, stop. marlaina, are you telling me that she did not go to the bathroom, the baby-sitter did not go to the rest room, the master bathroom? she chose instead to go out the door across the kitchen to another bathroom? >> that is the assumption we're making. we asked teresa, haleigh's grandmother standing with us, she's not sure what bathroom she used but if she saw the kitchen light on she would have had to use the other bathroom in the home, nancy. >> was the door open or shut, ms. neves? because if the door was closed, that rules out her seeing the kitchen light. so was that bedroom door open
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when she realized the kitchen light was on? >> the bedroom door's always open. >> marlaina, how big is that bedroom? >> the bedroom is, i would say, about -- i would have to say 11x13. >> okay, let's go through the rest of the house. 11x13, thanks. go ahead. tell me what else you observed. >> okay, so -- well, basically, nancy, they kept saying that the door, the back door, which we're about to go to, is about 16 feet from the bedroom. it's a little bit more than that, actually. if i had to guess, it would probably be about 25. but i'm going to show you the back door. and show you how both doors closed automatically. so -- and i'm also going to show you the lock because the lock is about three feet from the floor. and we know that that's about as tall as haleigh stands. so here's the back door and here's the lock. it sticks.
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so -- there you go. now we open the back door. and here's the back screen door. the one that was propped open with the cinder block, okay? now if you see, when it closed, it slams. it makes a loud noise. but if you leave this door, this slowly closes as well. so it leaves a lot of questions as to what exactly -- how exactly did this person do this? next, was new stepmother, misty croslin, even home the night little haleigh goes missing?
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thrown behind bars on a gun charge. we learn the brother of new stepmother, misty croslin, confesses during a late-night jailhouse interrogation. he goes to haleigh's house the night she goes missing. pounds on the door, desperately. nobody home. this, a full seven months after haleigh goes missing. then a letter surfaces. outlining details of a drug-fueled party where little haleigh, allegedly, accidentally ingests the heavy-duty painkiller, oxycontin and dies. cops call the letter a farce publicly, but still investigate and interrogate. this, after girlfriend-turned-stepmother, misty croslin, reportedly flunks
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yet another polygraph. ronald, what do you make of misty flunking a polygraph? >> i don't know anything about her flunking a polygraph. i know what's been said about it. i'm not a polygrapher myself so i didn't see any results. i didn't get to, you know? i was told by the polygrapher who did the polygraph that it's not judged in percentages. that the polygraph is either a failed or a pass, not in a percentages. >> well, okay. let's take with what you know. that you either fail it or you passed it. well, according to these reports she flunked it. i mean royally flunked it. and that's got to concern you. >> well, until i see more physical proof of what's going on, ms. nancy, there's -- my concerns are still on keeping
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haleigh's face on the tv and being sure that she is found. and whoever has done this to her is put away. >> okay, ronald, i understand that you want to keep haleigh's face out there. we are doing that. but i know you. and i do not believe you are not concerned about a report that your wife flunked a polygraph. it would concern me. >> nancy, if i may, of course ronald's concerned about a lot of things going on right now, but i think the main thing he's concerned about is making sure that haleigh's found. and again, we would like to thank you for keeping haleigh in the spotlight, making sure everyone continues to look for her, and helping us every way that you possibly can. now, we're more concerned with that aspect, rather than whether or not misty may or may not have done well on a polygraph.
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>> you know, mr. shoemaker, you have an excellent reputation. and what you just said does not make one ounce of sense. of course you want her picture out there. of course you want the help of the media. but for the last person known to have seen haleigh alive, to have reportedly flunked a polygraph, how you can suggest that is not a major concern, you want to find her, you want to find haleigh, then find out why misty reportedly flunked a polygraph. gentlemen, does that not make sense to you? ronald cummings, i would like to hear it from you. >> nancy, what you're saying makes perfect sense to me, but why is law enforcement -- i'm not law enforcement. i can't interfere with their investigation. i can't do anything about a polygraph or any results. >> well, what is she telling you, ronald? what is she telling you? she took that police polygraph. i don't believe that she passed it the first time. i don't believe she did. now this one.
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then there was that voice stress test. something is wrong with her story, ronald. >> i don't know, ms. nancy. >> ronald, i know that your heart's desire is to bring her home alive. i'll never forget the first time i heard your 911 call. and i think that is exactly the way i would have reacted. if i came home and the twins were gone, and i want to know what you want to tell the viewers tonight. >> i want to tell them to keep haleigh's face out there and if you have any information leading to her disappearance, to call it in. it don't matter who it hurts. and i want to let everyone know that i'm not hiding anything for anybody. and if somebody has something to do with it, let them fry, so be it. whoever it might be, that's who it is, let's bring haleigh home.
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>> ronald, why did police question misty croslin's brother and sister-in-law? what was that all about? they kept them for hours. >> ms. nancy, i don't have a clue what they questioned them about. i'm not allowed around them. >> that's right, i understand. ronald, what do you believe is being done now in the search for haleigh? i know that they've just finished another search around your home. and they did that because your wife, misty croslin, directed them to a particular spot. >> well i'm happy that they're still searching. i hope that they found my child alive, obviously. but one way or another i want my daughter to come home. >> ronald you said -- >> i need some closure. >> -- you said that you don't care who it hurts and that you're not covering for anybody. >> that's right. >> oak, and i assume from knowing you, that you mean that. so my question to you tonight is, now that you have been told whether you accept it or not
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that your wife has flunked a poly have you asked her what's happened? what does she tell you? i mean i saw her on the "today" show, and they asked her, why did you give two different stories? and she said, i don't know. that doesn't make sense. >> i asked her, but i don't get any answers from her about, you know -- i don't see what -- what she's telling me is not inconsistent. >> okay. and what is it she tells you? what is her story about what happened that night? >> the same thing that she's telling police or whoever that she went to bed -- she put haleigh to bed. done some laundry. went to bed. and woke up to the door propped open. >> ronald, you and i have been on this story from the very, very beginning. and i don't even like asking the medical examiner questions like that. while i know you are listening,
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because you're holding out the hope, as i am, that she is alive. >> yeah. >> once again, i want you to make a plea to the viewers tonight, everyone the tip line is 888-277-8477. go ahead, ronald. >> please, whoever who knows anything about haleigh's disappearance, anything about where she might be now or anything about anything from february 9th to february 10th of 2009, please call the crimestoppers of the putnam county sheriff's office. >> and please know, ronald, that you are in our thoughts and prayers, as is little haleigh. ms. neves, at one point i recall that junior, the little brother, has stated that there were other people in the home that evening. what do you recall about his
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statement? >> junior's initial statement to the law enforcement was that he saw a man in black, i believe was what they said. >> yes. >> and then it changed, you know? but he didn't change it. other people changed it. >> yes. ms. neves, what do you make of this letter? do you put any stock in it? >> nancy, i'm like you. i do not think that many people with a $70,000 reward are not going to sit at home and not say anything. i do not believe for one second that my granddaughter would take something like that because of the taste of it. just simply for that fact. >> we're all throwing around legal theories and this letter, and whether it's true or not. what is your message tonight? >> i believe haleigh is alive. i have faith in god to take care of my baby girl in finding her. and i don't care who had something to do with it.
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those are the people who need to be put away and bring my baby girl home. >> ms. neves, why are you so sure haleigh is still with us? >> because i stand on god's promise that if you pray and believe that he will give you what you pray for. >> ms. neves, tell me how ronald is holding up. i mean, he comes on our show frequently. and he's always so strong. how is he holding up? >> he's not as strong at home as he is on tv. but he has to be strong for junior, you know? so he does the best that he can. he keeps his crying to his self
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at night and tries to make junior happy until haleigh comes home. >> how is junior? does he even realize at this juncture that haleigh is gone. >> junior thinks that haleigh is lost and she's finding her way home. he actually drew her a map so she could find her way home. but he doesn't realize the longevity, i think, of it. >> you know, i focus so much on where is haleigh, what happened that night? you know junior has been lost in the mix. i cannot imagine, god forbid the thought, that i would ever have to explain to one of the twins where the other one was. where they were not at home. what do you tell them? >> that angels are watching haleigh. and she'll be home soon. >> ms. neves, when you hear
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about, for instance, this letter -- >> yes, ma'am. >> -- how does that affect you? whether you believe it or don't believe it, when you hear there might be a break in the case. >> ms. nancy, we would love to have a break in this case. and we really would not care who it implicates as long as it brings haleigh back to us. you know this letter is a little far-fetched, i think, because haleigh doesn't like medicine. and oxycontin, i've had to take it. i think it's a very nasty taste. and i can't imagine haleigh taking it. so -- but you know, anything that would bring haleigh home, that's what we want. >> with me is teresa neves, this is haleigh's paternal grandmother. ms. neves, you stand very strongly behind misty croslin's story. what do you make of police saying that she has the answers?
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>> i have to leave the investigative part of this to law enforcement. because, you know, if i go with every whim and every accusation then i'm going to be flipping back in forth in my life. and what we stand -- you know, we just stand for haleigh here. we just want haleigh to come home. and i want them to find whoever this is. and i don't care who it is. but we want haleigh to come home. when we come back, where was new stepmom, misty croslin, during the crucial hours when 5-year-old haleigh disappears?
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failed polygraphs, repeatedly changing the story. physical evidence inside the home. florida investigators and even family say they don't believe stepmother misty croslin's story, the story surrounding haleigh's sudden disappearance. >> on haleigh's birthday, when asked about what she thought of the new attorney in orlando, she was positive.
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>> i think they're going to be able to -- [ inaudible ] >> miller said she told him she wanted to clear her name. he said she failed the polygraph miserably. >> miller says croslin cummings wanted to do more, so she took a voice analysis test and failed that too. and he says she was uncooperative with a hypnotist. >> it indicated that misty was deception indicated is the official statement, which is no surprise to us. we've said all along that misty has been inconsistent in her statements. and i agree with the point that was made by tim miller's investigator, which is that misty's consistency is inconsistency.
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>> misty signed a paper saying she had an attorney who did not want her to take the test but she still wanted to take them. misty's attorney says she told him she was pressured to take the test and that if she did not, miller would not help search for haleigh. investigators say there's nothing at this point to charge misty croslin cummings regarding haleigh's disappearance. >> we think misty needs to fill in some inconsistencies, but that's about as far as we're willing to go with that statement. we're going to stop short of saying therefore we have probable cause to make an arrest. we don't. if we did, we probably would have. >> the mother of missing florida girl 5-year-old haleigh, also with her the grandmother, haleigh's grand mother, crystal sheffie sheffield, marie griffith, thank you for being with us. first to you, crystal, this is haleigh's mother. crystal, what do you make of the recent developments, the developments especially about
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misty croslin flunking a polygraph? >> well, i thought all along she had something to do with it. and now this kind of just proves it. >> why do you say you thought all along that? >> her stories just don't add up. everything she says is crazy. i mean, it's like the cops say, they're inconsistent. >> have you talked to ronald about the inconsistencies? >> i've said something to him about her recently, and he pretty much was like, what do you want me to do? so -- >> what did you say to him? i mean, his response kind of -- to interpret it depends on what you said to him. what did you say to him? >> i told him how i felt about her test results, and i told him
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i really didn't want to be around her anymore, like when i pick our son up. and he was just like, what you don't me to do? so maybe we can talk about it. >> you mentioned that misty croslin's first polygraph, the one administered by police, was full of inconsistencies. how did you find that out? >> no, not the polygraph, just her story. i know nothing about the polygraph from the police. they have not revealed that. >> okay, why did you -- where did you learn that what she told police was full of inconsistencies? >> umm, the -- it was on your show actually. i think it was one of the investigators. he said that we've known all along that her stories was full of inconsistencies. >> to you, ms. griffith. thank you for being was. you stated that at the very
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beginning you doubted croslin's story. why? >> because of the inconsistencies with the bed, and who was sleeping in what bed. there was four different stories. >> what there was four different stories. >> what were the stories? >> one minute all three of them were in the same bed. then haleigh was on a different bet and it was just her and butter bean is junior by the way. he was in a totally different room other than her and haleigh and it kept getting bigger and bigger. >> what if anything have you been told about the police polygraph? >> that they were full of inconsistencies. >> such as? >> her timeline. they can't figure out whether she was or was not at home.
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it was one right after another. it's all mind-boggling. >> to haleigh's mother, crystal recently suggested that up to four people were in the home that evening. have you heard that version? >> no. the only thing i have heard was about the ac guy and her brother that stopped by. that's the only people i know about and she said they left. both of them. >> when we come back, what happened to 5 yore old florida girl, haleigh cummings?
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>> the desperate search for a 5-year-old florida girl, haleigh. vanishing from her bed without a trace. >> i came home from work to find someone stole my child. it's not like a bicycle or a car. someone stole my child from me. >> i want whoever has her to bring her home. that's all i want is my baby home. >> she gave me a hug and a kiss. >> she's a daddy's girl. >> and she wasn't there when i got home.
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>> she's the most precious in our life. we want her to come home. >> i love her very much. we will find you. god will bring you home. >> haleigh, if you are out there, mommy love yous and your daddy loves you and we miss you and we will be right here. please, whoever has her, please, we need her. me and her daddy both need her. can you just bring her back. haleigh, i love you. your daddy loves you. we all love you. please just bring her home. >> let's stop and remember army
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first lieutenant tyler parton, 24, joneses borrow, arkansas. a west point grad fluent in arabic and global war on terrorism service medal and combat action badge. loved his god, country, fellow soldiers and writing, music, traveling. leaves behind grieving parents dave and lona. brother daniel. tyler parton, american hero. thanks to our guests, but especially to you being with you us. see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp eastern. until then, good night, friend.
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i'm a.j. hammer in new york. this is a "showbiz tonight" news break. some of what we are covering at the top of the hour. jon gosselin's incredible move to shut down jon and kate plus 8 after he got fire friday the show. now he is called erratic, opportunistic. the jon gosselin smack down. the rabbi tells all. the one on one with the rabbi who recorded disturbing conversations with michael jackson. i ask him the tough questions like what does he think about the people who said he betrayed michael's trust by releasing the tapes. is michael vick getting the sponsorship deal with nike? the news about sarah palin's new book and wait until you hear the sex secret heidi montag
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