welcome back. this is incredible. police say a 34-year-old man, this part is not, accused of groping a 10-year-old girl. in the toy aisle at wal martd. that's the sick part. tried to make a run for it. here's where it gets good, because someone stepped up. people are screaming. someone to stop him. a man in a wheelchair, he makes the tackle, stops this guy and joins us now. i have the honor of welcoming this hero, cameron aulner is with us right now to tell his story. and cameron, i hope you know you're an inspiration to all of us. tell us how things went down here. your first day on the job, right? working for comcast at the front

of walmart, and what do you hear? >> i hear a man yelling from the back of the store saying, stop this man, stop this man. he grabbed a little girl. and at first, before he said he grabbed a little girl, i thought he stole something. so i backed up a little bit. wanted to get out of the way. and when he said he grabbed a little girl, it kind of got my interest. and i saw him coming running around the corner. the next thing i know, i'm tackling him into the coke machine, and we're going at it on the ground. >> wow. how did you pull off the tackle? when he's coming up to you, he's making the run for it. you know you're going to do something here. what's going on in your mind and how did that play out from there? >> actually, not much was going through my mind, you know. besides i was hoping that somebody else was going to step up and tackle him for me. i mean, i never thought that i was going to be the person that would take him down. i saw him running towards me, and i anticipated, and since

nobody else stepped up, i did. >> you made the tackle. so what happens then? now i'm guessing you're wrestling the guy still trying to get out of there. >> no, as soon as i grabbed ahold of him, there was a -- he had a look of astonishment on his face. he didn't quite know what hit him. from that point on, you know, it was just downhill for him. the gentleman who was chasing him, and yelling at him to stop, he came up and helped grab him and subdue him, and we waited for the police to show up. >> have you come to grips with yet what you've done? if this guy gets out of there, he may have the opportunity to try this with another little girl. >> yeah. but, i mean, everybody keeps calling me a hero and keeps saying that i've done this wonderful thing. but for me, it's just, you know, stepping up when someone's in need, and, you know, i think everybody needs to do that when someone's in need. >> well put.

well put. hope many will follow your lead. i want to bring in the officer of the westminster police. you were on the scene there, right? >> that's correct. >> can you believe what had transpired here? a guy making a run for it, cameron, in a wheelchair, makes the tackle. it is good when we help each other out like this, isn't it? to a point, i guess. we don't want to get dangerous, but go ahead. >> you know, everything went down in the right manner in this instance. the little girl who needed help knew to scream loudly and look for an adult. we're fortunate we had the witnesses on scene that heard this going on, and came to her assistance. >> what's been the reaction from the police department to cameron? did you guys get a chance to thank him? >> you know, i don't know personally exactly what all has gone on. i know that he needs to be commended for his actions. >> i know, cameron, i know you have -- you're uncomfortable

being called a hero. you are an inspiration, someone might step up and hear this story and be a little more likely to step up. that's got to make you feel good. that sounds like your motto, when someone needs some help, we do it. >> definitely. it definitely makes me feel good. i'm glad that i was able to be in the right place at the right time. >> you ever done anything like this before? >> no. most definitely not. this is by far a first for me. >> all right. you made the tackle. had you played some football in the past? anything that -- where you kind of knew what you might want to do here? >> yeah. well, i mean, i played texas football. so as you can imagine, that's about as rough as football you can get. >> right. >> and i've also played basketball. and so, i mean, i had an idea of how i was going to hit him. but like i said, you know, it didn't really -- nothing was going through my mind, i just knew that the guy had to stop. and i was going to stop him. >> you did a nice job. again, we know the accident,

you're putting up christmas tree lights, that's why you are now in a wheelchair. no matter. you're uncomfortable with the hero label, but you're an inspiration to us all. >> thank you very much. >> thank you to you as well. talking about michael jackson. the autopsy is out. we're finding out, he's not exactly the sickly skeleton he had been portrayed in the tabloids. no illegal drugs in his system. that has got to be trouble for dr. cameron murray. the debut of the joy behar show. check it out coming up right after "nancy grace" tonight at 9:00 eastern.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. we're getting news on the michael jackson story. his autopsy has been released. and looking over this story. what's most shocking is what's not in it. the coroner said jackson was a healthy 50-year-old man. you wouldn't think of that, looking at the tabloids this past june. the sun has jackson starved, totally bald. inside it said he had nothing but pills in his stomach. the globe's autopsy bombshell. jackson injecting heroin, fighting anorexia. today a totally different picture. no illegal drugs in his system. all vital organs healthy. the potent sedative administered in the hours before his death,

you look at this, this cannot be good when you talk about that man, dr. conrad murray. because one of the defenses we kind of speculated on is going to be, how many other doctors have been in his past. what did other doctors do. he's the scapegoat because he was the last man standing. if michael jackson's a healthy 50-year-old man, it wasn't cumulative, but it was the one time. and it could have been the one time, or one time too many with the sedative diprivan, propofol. we'll get much more on michael jackson, this autopsy, what it could mean in the case. what it can mean for dr. conrad murray. but first, here's "fit nation." >> there's no question for nfl player kerri rhodes, fitness is a job. on the field -- >> i'm big on the fruit. >> reporter: -- off the field. even on twitter. >> a lot of people are getting workout tips and what do i do, what do i eat. looking to lose approximately 25

pounds over the next three months. that right there is just -- that's setting you up for failure because you're trying to do too much. >> reporter: rhodes' tip number one, map out a fitness plan. >> i usually do three sets of ten. >> reporter: work slow. >> take your time to get to the point where you can do more. >> reporter: he said it's all about setting reasonable goals and keeping your routine interesting. >> doing creative things, not get tired, just doing the same thing over and over. >> reporter: during an off-season a typical meal for rhodes, a banana, granola bar, high protein lunch like a lean hamburger patty, and for dinner, a chicken salad. also, he loads up on things like water, fruit, green tea or energy drinks. to help stay full throughout the day. >> get at least four meals in your system. whether it be a snack, for one meal, or energy drink for one meal. >> reporter: his advice for fans who tweet him, and the kids who are obese, make fitness a

priority. >> put on the paper what you want to do, just overall, where you want to be at the end of the day. just be active. that's the biggest thing. >> reporter: dr. sanjay gupta, cnn, reporting.

send our kids off to school, run errands, church, little league practice. there's no guarantee they're coming home. that is the harsh, heartbreaking reality of the family of derrion albert. on his way home from school. is he the victim of a bigger problem in chicago? i want to welcome richelle carey joining us for "what matters" segment. what do you have, richelle? >> mike, what makes derrion's death more senseless is the number of people who did nothing. it seems the code on the street

known as no snitching has kept people quiet. this is hard to watch. but i'm going to show it to you because you need to see it, if you hadn't already seen it. that's the problem, so many people have seen it. this is cell phone video someone shot. there are about a dozen people who stood around and did nothing. didn't even call police and are not calling police now. what can be done to get people to step up. joining me now, t.o. hardiman. and amina, i know that derrion is going to be buried tomorrow. i know you've been in touch with his family. i saw something this week where a member of his family said the way they were getting through was praying for forgiveness. how are they getting through? what can you tell me about that? >> well, you know, this is a hard, you know, a hard thing to deal with. communitiwise, as well as

family. but they're just getting through it the best way they can, with the prayers and support that's been coming in, and just really trying to plan his funeral. and get through tomorrow as far as the funeral and the healing process for his sister rea. >> this same person also said that he didn't understand why young people were so angry. why they were so angry. t.o., can i get you to speak to that? >> yeah. there's a lot of anxiety in the community, depression, a lot of guys are frustrated because of hopelessness. they come from dysfunctional families. dysfunctional communities to a degree. and the guys feel they've been disenfranchised from overall society. so there's a serious epidemic going on in chicago with our youth today. and violence is just at that particular level right now. last year chicago had 510 homicides. 85 were homicides committed

against african-american youth here. the leading cause of death of the african-american youth in the united states between the ages of 15 and 34 is homicide. >> wow. that should make people mad. not just sad, it should make people mad. i want to talk about the investigation. this is something else that should make people mad. i know there are four people in custody but they're looking for three more. and they have not been able to get people to call in. even though the people who were responsible, their pictures have been all over tv. can you talk to me about what this no snitching is all about? actually, before i get you to do that, i want to play something for you first, then get your response to this. so just sit tight for a second and listen to this. >> snitch. don't snitch. it's not your business, okay? >> is that something somebody told you or is that something you tell people? >> that's the way of the street. you snitch, you snitch you get stitches. put it like that. >> tio, explain what in the

world this is. >> well, that's handed down behavior. most people believe that, because there's a lot of distrust for the police department all across the nation. however, you can break the code of silence by talking to your friends out of not shooting somebody. that's how you break the code in reverse. ceasefire, we stopped conflicts this year because guys talked to us. they break the code every day because they know we may not say anything to anybody else, but we know we can stop a homicide with the information. that's what people need to step up and start doing. somebody in the crowd should have stepped up and said, you know what, stop it. stop it right now. we're not doing this anymore. a lot of the -- you have a lot of people out there that have influence over the crowd. somebody should have came to their acceptses and said, look here, man, that's one of our brothers. what's happening across america also, african-american youth are not looking at each other as brothers anymore. everybody's choosing sides. you don't have to break a code, you know, as far as telling on people all the time, because

people, there's a big distrust out here. don't get me wrong, i'm not supporting the code. i'm saying break the code by stopping it on the front end. >> but if we're not stopping it on the front end, are you telling the young people that they do need to pick up the phone and help the police solve this murder? are you telling young people that? >> let me tell you this here. there's too much hype with the code of silence first of all. people have broken the code all across the united states. the big motion picture "american gangster" he told on everybody. right now in chicago, people get arrested every day, 40 people might get arrested, 35 out of the 40 turn state evidence on their friends. >> you're telling the kids don't believe the hype, crest? >> don't believe the hype. that's what i'm talking about. >> i wanted to -- >> people are breaking the code. >> i wanted to read a comment i got on my facebook page. this person appeared to be someone older, not a young kid, an older person that said, well, the police get paid to investigate and solve crimes. why should the public do their jobs for them?

if that's the case, pay them a lot less. amiena, can i get you to respond to that? >> one thing i really want to discuss is how the family feels. they lost derrion, and the community as well has lost these young guys that are going through the process of being convicted and away from their families. derrion's family wants the community, the city to know it has to stop. it has to stop. their hearts go out to the families that are going through the process of going up to the county jail every day to see their sons. and we have to bring the neighbor back in the hood. and the albert family wants to rally up with us, as ceasefire and partner up with us, to say, look, stop it. we are brothers. we are sisters. we are mothers. it must stop. i can't comment on what the police officers' jobs are. i know what my job is as a violence interrupter, and i know

that beating shouldn't have happened, like tio said. somebody needs to step up and take control of our community. this is our community. and our brothers and sisters, yes, they are angry because of the dynamics of how the public schools are closing and they got to commute all the way over to to take our communities back and the albert family sends their condolences out not a death condolence but as far as the freedom, the families that have lost their sons to their son's beating. it's unacceptable. >> is there a dynamic that's different in chicago than in other cities? because there are derrions, unfortunately, every day but it does seem that the problem appears to be worse in chicago. is that a myth? >> no, it's not a myth. 75% of the youth in chicago are on the defense. they are afraid themselves. nobody wants to be victimized here in chicago, so most of the young people, they call it being mounted up. they're prepared for anything. we have to get chicago to a safe

place here where young men and women feel good enough about going to school every day and they're not in fear. most the young guys walk past each other every day, guys don't speak to one another. guys -- people are paranoid and there's a his tore of gang violence in chicago that dates back about maybe 40 years. a lot of the young men and women in chicago are fighting for reasons they don't know nothing about. then also, i want to make sure i make this clear. 60% to 70% of the violence in chicago is interpersonal violence. people get into the most petty conflicts and end up shooting and killing each other because their mind goes from one to ten to the kill zone right away. >> t.o., we're about out of time. let me pose this question to you and see if you can do it in 15 seconds. please tell me you're hopeful. i just need to hear that you two are hopeful. >> oh, yeah. >> oh, we're hopeful. we have an opportunity now for the mayor and all the president to come back and put the city back on track as well as with

the communities and the families. we have come together and bring the hope back no chicago. >> we're out of time. thank you both. appreciate it.

tonight, it's one of the craziest jailhouse videos cops have ever seen. a jail cell strip show, performed by a millionaire murder suspect. a 61-year-old man accused of killing his wife is on videotape modeling his prison jump suit, unbuttoning his shirt and dancing. this doesn't exactly look like a husband in mourning. cops say this guy shot his wife, then called 911, confessing to the murder. but now he's behind bars. he's joking with his daughter and talking about being released. what's up with this guy? and jon gosselin's fighting back. the former star of "jon and kate plus eight" claims he had an

epiphany and wants his children taken off the reality show. an epiphany? really? funny how his sudden enlightenment comes less than a week after he got the boot from tlc. now that he's out of the picture, he suddenly feels the tv show is unhealthy for his kids. wild coincidence? plus, a late night bombshell. david letterman admits to having sex with his co-workers, telling the live audience he was blackmailed by a colleague from cbs. cops say an emmy award winning producer from cbs' "48 hours" threatened to expose letterman's sexual affairs if he didn't pay up $2 million. letterman allegedly gave this guy a phony check. now the tv producer's behind bars. this is the same kind of story he exposes on "48 hours." if true, what was he thinking? "issues" starts now. tonight, shocking behavior caught on jailhouse video and released to the public. j. robert bob ward charged with shooting his wife to death

inside their $3.5 million south florida mansion. cops say the high-flying real estate developer called 911 and actually confessed. quote, i just shot my wife. she's dead. she's on the floor of the master bedroom, end quote. then, a bizarre twist, bob ward being taken into custody in this home video from wftv.com reportedly changes his story. according to cops, ward said his wife was trying to commit suicide and shot herself. he was just trying to get the gun away from her. but that's not even the strangest part of this very bizarre story. what you're looking at right there, video from inside the orange county, florida jail. bob ward then begins to do a strip tease. his daughter and his sister-in-law clowning around and joking with one another. mind you, the younger woman just lost her mom. the older woman just lost her sister. meanwhile, here's what the millionaire murder suspect, bob,

said about his accommodations. >> i'm in some kind of lockdown right now to keep me safe supposedly. i told them i'm not worried about anybody so get me the hell out of here. i'm protected from the general population. i'm not worried about anybody here. you know, i just would like to get out of this nasty cell that doesn't have any water. this place hasn't been cleaned in i can't tell you when. >> yeah, but it's not a hotel room, bob. published reports indicate this real estate mogul's empire had recently collapsed during the housing crisis and his company had declared bankruptcy. friends say he had been complaining his wife was spending too much money, and tonight's big issue, do florida's sunshine laws which permit all this jail video to be released to the public help or hurt justice? straight out to my awesome expert panel. mark igorsh, criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor. lisa bloom, cnn legal analyst.

dr. gale saults, clinical psychiatrist and professor of psychiatry at new york presbyterian hospital and drew petrimo. he's been tracking this case. give us the back story of this seemingly wealthy couple and what was happening in their lives before she wound up dead with a bullet to the head. >> they came to orlando from atlanta in 2007. bob ward started a real estate company called land resources, which really had a hand in real estate all over the country developing luxury townhouses and homes and developing neighborhoods. they made a lot of money. he was making the company pulled in hundreds of millions of dollars during its prime, but as a lot of business has happened during this economic downturn, business went south and they had legal problems with certain developments and their house here in orlando was foreclosed on so the economic tough times really took a toll on this man's business and apparently, his

family as well. >> yeah. and among the hours of jailhouse tapes that have been released to the public, there were only a few references to the victim so how does she fit in in this entire story? where's the motive here? let's listen. >> hello. >> hey, handsome. you look good. i'm completely here for you, 100%, because you know that you're my hero. i also want to let you know how nice i think that you look right now. i have been trying to get you to wear pajamas for years now. >> oh, god, you look great. you look really, really good. >> yeah. i'm hanging in there. i'm showering daily which is obviously very important. you know how we feel about hygiene. i'm glad to see you're showering. i'm so disappointed you have to keep putting the dirty jump suit back on. >> dr. gale saltz, this is so bizarre. this is a family in crisis, a

woman that supposedly they all love and they're related to, has died a violent death and they're joking about wardrobe and hygiene? >> you know, it is entirely bizarre and this just goes to show that you really can't evaluate someone's mental health by just looking at them or listening to them. we don't know what each of them is thinking so until someone has sat down and asked them what is the laughing about, you know, what was your relationship like, what was going on, i mean, this looks so completely out of place that you would almost wonder if this wasn't group, you know, psyhosis because no one is reacting like there's been a death. we really don't know. >> lisa bloom, according to published reports, he had complained to two friends at least that his wife was spending too much money. you heard about the fact that his company went into bankruptcy and he was experiencing the

downward spiral of going from tremendous wealth into money problems. that's obviously a stressor. could that be something prosecutors use as a motive here? >> absolutely. money is the oldest motive in the book. we see it in case after case. i think the most telling fact is that when he initially called the police, he said that he shot her. in the shock of the moment, in the crisis of the moment, people generally tend to say the facts. they say what's true, then later on, he's got to backtrack and call it a suicide. my goodness, if it was a suicide, wouldn't that be all the more tragic? wouldn't that make them even more somber when they're in the jailhouse talking to each other? this just does not make a lot of sense. >> jane, he's definitely jeopardizing his own case right now. at a maximum, this could affect the criminal case and it could be used in evidence against him. at a minimum, he has a bond hearing potentially coming up, second degree murder here in florida is a nonbondable offense. the judge is the only one in his

discretion who can give him a bond. his actions on this videotape will be considered by this judge as someone who hey, listen, you might be a flight risk. so i say in short, there's three things we know right now. one, you don't eat meat. number two, lisa has a phenomenal smile and number three, this guy -- >> just trying to butter me up. i'm still going to argue with you. >> you're giving the suspect a run for his money, mark, with your little quirky observations. bob ward and his daughter spoke about everything under the son including wardrobe. here's a very interesting sample of their bizarre conversations. >> hello. >> hey, handsome. >> -- beard? >> you look good. i'm completely here for you. 100%. because you know that you're my hero. i also want to let you know how nice i think that you look right now. i have been trying to get you to wear pajamas for years now. >> oh, god, you look great.

you look really, really good. >> yeah. i'm hanging in there. i'm showering daily, which is obviously, you know, very important. you know how we feel about hygiene. i'm glad to see that you're showering. i'm just so disappointed you would have to keep putting the dirty jump suit back on. >> dr. gail saltz, this is so strange. we watched hours and hours of this stuff and it was hard to decide which clip to use because there were so many bizarre clips. is he trying perhaps to set himself up for an insanity defense or is it perhaps that he is losing it because he's lost so much money? we have seen so many people recently in the bernie madoff case and in the housing crash, the stock market crash, lose their shirts, and some of them go a little loopy. >> there are many people who have lost their shirts and subsequently lost their minds. we have seen a number of suicides of very, very wealthy people who have lost it all, and i think it is a huge stressor that can actually cause someone to have a depression, to have a

psychotic depression but what's very bizarre in addition is his daughter's acting bizarrely. she's not acting like someone who's just lost her mother to suicide or murder, and frankly, she has sort of a really strange intimate talk with him there about how he looks and how she looks and how she's bathing and that's all very strange. >> he's her hero. >> exactly. >> when did the standard to become a hero be reduced to someone who admits to killing their wife? i guess we're all heroes. >> what strikes me -- >> the questions that you would ask of somebody who's accused of killing your mother. all right. more on this very bizarre jailhouse video in just a bit. plus, speaking of bizarre, jon gosselin says he's had it. suddenly he wants his kids off the reality show. this just a couple days after he was basically booted from the show. so was this really an epiphany or is there a timing issue here? but first, dancing, stripping, and laughing.

a man accused of killing his wife, shooting her in the head, joking with family members from inside his jail cell. doesn't exactly look like a grieving family to me. >> they like watching me go to the shower.

believe me, i'm not here in the ritz. >> lifestyle change for you. i can only imagine. i know you're missing a bidet. >> this place hasn't been cleaned in i can't tell you when. >> well, i'll definitely get housekeeping for that. i'll call housekeeping right now and make sure and have them put a mint on your pillow, too, okay? >> oh, my god. ha, ha, ha. big laugh. a woman's dead. related to them, with a bullet in her head. tonight's big issue, do florida's sunshine laws which permit all this stuff to be released to the public help or hurt justice? listen to bob ward's sister-in-law actually caution him about that. >> the media can request transcripts of this, so we want to be pretty much as bland as

possible, because these guys, you know, we just don't want to give them anything. >> as bland as possible? they're putting on a show that's being called the most bizarre jailhouse performance of the century. if the format of this video looks familiar, well, take a look. casey anthony also in custody, the orange county florida sheriff, same place. during visits from her parents, casey provided the media and public lots of colorful rants. we all saw them. what about hulk hogan's son, nick? his words came back to bite him after pinellas county florida released audio of him complaining about his tiny holding cell and his desire for a reality show, even though he had been charged with reckless driving after an accident that left his friend and passenger paralyzed. drew, you're the reporter down there in florida. are these liberal sunshine laws making florida seem like it's the capital of crime because obviously, the media gravitates to these stories since they're so colorful, since we see them all on videotape? >> well, they definitely make my job a lot easier, frankly, but

you know, there's something to having a transparent system like that, where everything is shown to the media and available to everybody. it's not just the media that can see it. you can go to the courthouse and get all these documents and get this stuff for yourself. it is very liberal. one thing i will say, the 911 call, where he allegedly admitted to shooting his wife, that hasn't been released. i guess police are saying that that's part of their investigation and too sensitive. so there are some things they won't release but of course, it will be very interesting when they do release that, because allegedly, he admits to murdering his own wife. >> all right. i want to debate this issue. mark, you're a former prosecutor, a criminal defense attorney. you work down there in florida. are these extremely liberal sunshine laws in florida which are described sometimes as the most liberal in the entire country, helping or hurting justice in florida? >> well, let me defend florida. we don't have the kind of crime that people think based on what we see every night on this program and others.

the bottom line is the media will not show something unless there's something to see. so if the story was well, we heard someone overheard him acting inappropriately, that wouldn't be on the news. so the fact that there's a videotape with him, casey anthony and the other examples you gave, makes people then see and thus, they think erroneously we have more crime here than others. >> yeah, but don't blame the media, lisa bloom. don't blame the media for that. >> thank you. >> we're reporting what we see. >> that's right. >> if we were to keep this quiet. people would say well, you wouldn't show this because he's a rich guy and -- >> i'm not blaming the media. >> if he's a poor guy -- >> it's a fact. i'm not blaming the media. i'm not blaming the media. i'm just saying i understand your function and you then show it on the news -- >> lisa -- >> but listen, listen, the judicial system is a branch of government, just like the legislative and executive. we're all paying for it. we should have transparency in all three branches of government. i think the other 49 states should follow florida's lead. we should know what's going on

in our courts and in our police and in our jails and by the way, everybody is warned. this guy and everybody in jail is warned, you are being videotaped. you are being audiotaped. when you're on the phone. hello. and they go ahead and engage in this behavior anyway. i was an anchor on court tv for eight years, we loved florida because florida had the sunshine laws and we could get our cameras in. it's good for the system of justice for people to see what's going on, be educated about what's going on. i'm a big first amendment absolutist. i applaud them for having a sunshine law. >> there's no debate here. i know you want to debite with me and lisa. i don't disagree. i believe -- on this issue, i don't have a problem with that. i don't mind them putting it out there as long as the public knows -- >> all we're saying is every single state in the union should open up and have the same sunshine laws. >> kumbaya, we all agree. i don't disagree with you on that issue. >> finally you came around and agreed with me. i like when that happens. >> but most defense attorneys do

not want this kind of tape out there. they will say it will taint the jury pool. we will see this guy looking like an idiot. it makes him look guilty. most defense attorneys don't like it. >> right. if i was defending him, that would be my position. personally -- >> we have to leave it right there since we all agree. thank you. we're excited to welcome "the joy behar show" to our prime time lineup. it airs every night at 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on hln. here's just a little nibble, a taste of what you are going to get. it's her "not for nothing" commentary. >> not for nothing, but all i keep hearing is that president obama is trying to do too much, that he has too much on his plate. rush limbaugh has too much on his plate. barack obama is the president. he's supposed to be busy. sorry, but after two terms of a president who had more time to work on his tan than george hamilton, obama looks like a guy with hyperactivity disorder. by the way, how you spend your time is also important, may i just add that.

obama has spent the last eight months trying to pass health care reform and negotiate a ban on nuclear weapons. bush spent eight years just trying to pronounce the word "nuclear." president obama hasn't taken on too much. he just has to work too hard to achieve anything because a lot of people in congress fight him at every turn. you know, it's easy to sit on your behind and criticize. my staff is doing that right now. i see you. i'm watching all of you. rather than accuse obama of being overextended, why don't they blow-hards in congress come up with some alternatives or solutions? all you hear is this endless stream of no, i don't want to, you're going to do what? they sound like me on my wedding night. may i offer up this solution. when these lazy s.o.b.s come up for mudd term election, just tell them you would have voted for them but you were just too busy. that's just me. >> joy's guest tonight, two of my favorites, kathy griffin and

vanessa williams. that is 9:00 p.m. here on hln. thank you, fantastic panel. now we're talking sex, blackmail and late night television. we'll take a look at david letterman's admitted sexual affairs and the network tv producer who allegedly tried to extort him for $2 million.

in tonight's spotlight, the cruel reality of factory farming, helpless animals living out their lives in unspeakable conditions in order to put food on your dinner table. you always hear americans proclaiming their love of animals. but what most people don't realize is the vast majority of animals in this country, the u.s. of a, are raised and slaughtered for food. ten billion animals every year. finally, americans are waking up to the reality of factory farming. this sunday, americans all across the country are marching to speak out for these voiceless farm animals. i will be speaking at the biggest march in new york city, leading this movement is my very special guest and dear friend,

gene bower, president of an organization called farm sanctuary. let's take a look at some of the animals you rescued from sickening conditions. they're now living out their lives on your sanctuaries in new york and california, and this is the way nature intended. this is a beautiful thing. but it's a rare thing. what is farm sanctuary's goal with these marches this weekend, gene? >> well, what we intend to do is to make people think about what they're eating, and unfortunately, most people don't really recognize how these animals are being abused on factory farms every day, whether in cages so small they can't turn around or even stretch their limbs. they will live that way for months or years, and they're driven mad. their physical and psychological needs are not being met. we think that needs to change. most people are humane and would not abide this if they saw it. we want people to think about what they eat and make choices consistent with their own values. >> once again, these are the beautiful pictures of the farm animals you have rescued and

given sanctuary to. but this is not the experience of most animals in this country. you know, every few months, peta or the humane society do undercover investigations to expose some of the worst animal facilities. we're going to only show you a tiny snippet of peta's just released video because it is so disturbing. be forewarned, peta filmed these cows at a dairy farm in pennsylvania that supplies a major brand and we can't even show you the worst of it. i got to tell you, it's really horrific stuff. gene, how can anybody with a conscience look at the way those animals were being treated and say hey, that's okay? >> i don't think people can. i mean, when you see this, it's upsetting, it's disturbing, it's unnecessary. farm animals like all animals have feelings. they deserve to be treated with respect and compassion. unfortunately, on these industrialized factory farms, the animals are seen as nothing but commodities, pieces of meat from the day they're born until the day they're killed. that's wrong. these are animals with feelings. th

they deserve to be treated better. >> this is a consumer issue because if consumers decide hey, i don't like the way these animals are being treated, there are things they can do to make the conditions better, according to the law of supply and demand. >> that's absolutely right. i think most consumers are un-wittingly supporting abuse by buying these products. consumers need to take more responsibility and think about food choices. go to farmers markets, buy fruits and vegetables, replace meat with plant foods. it's healthier to be vegan. i'm a vegan since 1985. thankfully, there is growing awareness and more vegans around as well. >> i am one, too, and a big supporter of farm sanctuaries. that's why i'm marching and speaking this weekend, because i love animals. i will be a special guest at the walk for farm animals, sunday in new york city. marches going around all over the country. to find one in your area, go to cnn.com/jane or go to

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jon gosselin fighting back. the former star of "jon and kate plus eight" claims he had an epiphany and wants his children taken off the reality show. an epiphany? really? funny how his sudden enlightenment came less than a week after he got the boot from the tlc show. wild coincidence? plus, a late night bombshell. david letterman admits to having sex with his co-workers, telling the live audience he was blackmailed by a colleague from cbs. cops say an emmy award winning producer from cbs' "48 hours" threatened to expose letterman's sexual affairs. if he didn't pay $2 million. tonight, jon gosselin fires back at his meal ticket, tlc.

he wants filming of his family's hit reality show to stop for good and guess why? he says the show is bad for the kiddies. too bad it took him four years of using his eight kids and cashing those fat tlc checks for him to see the light suddenly. >> i'm asking not to be on the show and i'm asking my children not to be on the show. i mean, i don't want them to film anymore. i don't think it's healthy for them and the reason i don't think it's healthy for them is we're going through a divorce right now and i don't think it should be televised and i think my kids should be taken off the show. >> jon's self-proclaimed epiphany has some pretty interesting timing. just a few days ago, tlc announced that the show would now be called simply "kate plus eight." the network said it was just trying to evolve along with the family or devolve. mom and dad gosselin can't even be in the same room together since their separation. so is jon's change of heart in response to his dwindling role in the show?

he claims he made the first move asking to be off the show weeks ago, so what is the truth? back out to my fantastic panel and we're delighted to have paul peterson, president and founder of a minor consideration, a group that works to watch out for these show biz kids and very happy to have amy palmer, senior editor of "in touch weekly." amy, so many back and forths, it's hard to keep up. what is the very latest on this one? >> the very latest is that jon gosselin has gone mad. i mean, the guy every single day it's something new. i think he feels empowered by his new management team. it seems they're telling him take back your life, be empowered, you're the man of this family. that's what we're seeing. he's trying to do what we all thought he should have done months ago but it's a little too late. >> yeah. i would say so. jon gosselin suddenly a father with a conscience? listen to him explain his newfound clarity and how kate's attorney responds to it. >> i had an epiphany one day. i just looked in the mirror and

said i don't want to be this person anymore, i made mistakes, i know i messed up. >> it's clear that his timing is connected to his diminished role on the show. just last week, september 25th, he was taping with the children. all of a sudden, he has an epiphany. maybe he'll have another or new epiphany tomorrow. or maybe he'll have another epiphany the following week. >> paul peterson, president and founder of a minor consideration, you look out for these show biz kids but this show is being taped in pennsylvania, not exactly hollywood. he's made some rumblings, jon has, about violations allegedly of child labor laws. what can be done to protect these children in this ugly, ugly mess? >> well, first, all of us must not kill the messenger because of the message. jon gosselin admitted that the kids did not have the pennsylvania permits required to be on a television show. we already know they're not being fairly compensated.

this is a mess of huge proportions, because now we have hundreds of kids on reality shows, and let me repeat this so people understand. if a state does not have individual child labor laws for entertainment, the kids are without protections. when kids are employed on these shows, and they are performers, in every sense of the word, they need to have the full weight and protection of our industry. that means a competent teacher welfare worker, always present. limited hours. mandatory education. no goofing around with the health, safety and morals of the minors. no filming potty training and babies taking a bath. we have got to stop. i've had enough. haven't you? >> well -- >> hear, hear! >> i think this is a huge, huge mess. i can tell you that tlc insists that it has done absolutely nothing wrong but what i'm hearing you say, paul, is that even though the messenger, jon, may be dirty himself in some senses, and the timing very

suspicious, you believe essentially that what he's saying has validity, even though he's been doing this show for seasons and didn't seem to notice these problems until they tried to kick him off the show. >> well, he's about the only one in the country. first of all, i trust nothing tlc says. i have publicly been saying for the last two years, it's time to go. time to quit. the harm being done to these children is genuine, and pennsylvania department of labor and industry must step forward. they have been investigating this family and the work circumstances for eight months. >> lisa bloom, what do you make of this? >> listen, i agree with paul. not just because my mother represents him. i think that children are really the heart of this case. jon and kate are going to fight, who cares. there are eight kids here and as paul points out, money is supposed to be set aside for them. god forbid they all reach the age of 18 and find out they have zero from all of this work they have been doing as children. now, i don't know if tlc is

complying with the laws or not but i do think it's unhealthy for children to grow up surrounded by cameras, crews, sound equipment, lighting equipment, producers telling them what to do. we only see what's in front of the camera. we don't know what's going on behind the camera but all of us who work in television know it's a lot. >> of course it is. it's stressful to be on television. we're all stressed at the end of the week. you feel like you're limping to the finish line because it takes it out of you. at least me. >> exactly. >> maybe because i'm arguing all the time. but it does seem to take it out of you by the weekend. but i have a follow-up question for lisa bloom because i want to ask you specific question. jon seems a tad overmatched in this battle against kate and tlc. check out this pitiful sign he posted on his property. it read notice, no film crew or production staff from tlc permitted on this property under penalty of trespass. johnathon gosselin but unfortunately, penalty and his own name were misspelled. so how can this guy be taken seriously, but beyond that,

lisa, you're a lawyer. can he keep the crews out given that he's arguing his name is on the title of this house? >> here's what happened, obviously. he's in negotiations with the network. they couldn't reach an agreement as to money. he wants money so he goes to his lawyers and says how can i ramp up my leverage against the network. i know, they get a bright idea, it's his house, his property or at least 50% if they're getting a divorce. he can say who can come on the property and who can't. let's put up no trespassing signs and keep the network off. it was a bold move. it was a creative move. you got to hand it to him. maybe there's a little tiny part of me that always likes it when little guys stick it to the network. i know that's wrong. i know it's wrong. >> this guy is the father of these children. so if he says these are my kids, you cannot videotape them -- >> yes. >> -- then he's on strong legal ground. >> on trespassing and the fact he's custodian of the kids, he can make decisions as to what they do and can't do. he's obviously doing it to leverage money for himself. i think we can all see that.

that's what makes it distasteful but legally, i think he's okay. >> gail, you're the psychiatrist. how is this impacting the children? you see their ages here, approximately. >> right. >> are they too young to understand what's going on or do they sense the toxicity? >> they're too young to understand some of it but that doesn't mean it's not having impact. really, this should have all stopped the minute the parents were saying we're not getting along. divorce has a huge impact on children. their mental health, physical health, long-term wellbeing, and for this to be happening under the cameras, never mind that obviously they're not in treatment, they're not getting help with what's really happening in their world, which is their parents are getting divorced which is really the demise of the child's world. so the parents need to be investing themselves in that instead of fighting with each other and with tlc. >> i just have to say, tlc fired back, they issued a statement calling jon's behavior erratic and opportunistic. kate said basically i'm saddened and confused by jon's media

statements. yada, yada, yada. it's going on and on. bottom line, does jon, do you think, have the power to stop the taping of a show involving his kids? either on his property, that he co-owns, or on somebody else's property? >> i think he does. but here's what's really important. we have the power to stop this. this is a mess. the children are at risk. and if we can devote time to the welfare of animals, surely we can find some time -- >> it's not a competition, paul. >> we can do both. >> as a matter of fact -- >> isn't it? >> people who abuse animals often abuse children. when you go to a house where somebody's abusing animals, chances are, the guy's beating up on the wife and kids, too. it's not a competition. lisa bloom. >> and here we have a circumstance where publicly, the children are being placed at risk. we must all speak up and step up. >> lisa, i'll give you the last ten seconds. >> well, hear, hear, i agree with that. again, i don't know if tlc is

complying with the labor laws or not. you know, that's the key thing. the children are what we have to remember. are they being protected, is their time limited on camera and is money being set aside for them. that's my concern. >> we have to see how this plays out. so great having all of you on. paul peterson, especially. thank you for coming on. you're doing great work with your group, a minor consideration. randy quaid and his wife finally paid up but that doesn't mean they're in the clear. could this hollywood couple get thrown in jail for running out in their hotel bill? plus, david letterman exposes an extortion plot. we give you the juicy details in this extraordinarily bizarre sexual blackmail case, next.

more details coming to light after david letterman's shocking announcement that he was

involved in an extortion plot over his sex secrets. we'll give you the latest in a minute but first, "top of the block" tonight. randy and evie quaid pay up. the famous couple has reportedly paid the remaining balance on the roughly $10,000 hotel bill they allegedly skipped out on. the first half was paid last week, shortly after a warrant was issued for their arrest. the rest was reportedly paid off yesterday but that doesn't mean they're in the clear. the quaids still face charges of burglary, conspiracy, and defrauding an innkeeper. they are expected in court october 19th. you can bet your bottom dollar "issues" will be there. that's tonight's "top of the block." whoa! this one, wild story. steamy sex secrets and vicious blackmail. inside a $2 million hollywood extortion plot. well, sort of. the target, late night funny man, david letterman. check out the scandalous headlines. this is unbelievable. today's "new york post," i had

sex with staff. "the new york daily news" reads $2 million sex extort plot. love it when they are duel headlines on these papers in the city. on cbs' "the late show" dave describes how it allegedly all began. he got a mysterious package. >> contained in the package was stuff to prove that i do terrible things. at 6:00 in the morning and maybe this looks better to you at noon, but 6:00 in the morning, all you can think about is every terrible thing you have ever done in your entire life. >> i love david letterman. he's so funny. letterman then dropped this bombshell on his live audience. >> what was all the creepy stuff that he was going to put into the screenplay and the movie, and the creepy stuff was that i

have had sex with women who work for me on this show. now, my response to that is yes, i have. i have had sex with women who worked on this show. and would it be embarrassing if it were made public? perhaps it would. perhaps it would. especially for the women. >> oh, boy. leave it to letterman to get a laugh out of this whole thing. during an elaborate sting, dave gave allegedly wrote his blackmailer a phony $2 million check. cops swooped in and busted the unlikely suspect. this is perhaps the most shocking twist of all. the suspect is a big-wig cbs producer. cbs says the alleged mastermind behind the scheme is joe halderman, an emmy award winning

producer for "48 hours." now, this tv producer could face up to 15 years in prison. he has pleaded not guilty, but how did alleged blackmailer mr. halderman know about letterman's top-secret sex with co-workers? straight out to my expert panel. also joining us, mike walters of tmz. mike, i need a score card on this one. dare i ask what is the very latest? >> well, you asked how he knew. he dated the girl. the girl that dated letterman. and that's how this all came about and the really interesting part is like you said, he pled not guilty but if you go back to what happened in the sting, apparently he wrote a screenplay like he actually wrote all the women david had been with throughout this big entire screenplay. that's when he dropped off with photos, a diary, e-mail correspondence, and basically said if you don't call me in a couple hours, i'm going to release this, i'm going to make it a book, a movie, whatever. so letterman did what anybody should do.

that's watching this, too. call your attorney, they got with the special prosecutors at the manhattan d.a. and they set up this sting. now, my favorite part of this whole story is, okay, look, this happens in hollywood where extortion, people have money, this happens. this guy who works for "48 hours" and i have talked to people over there, apparently he's a brilliant producer but he asked for a check for $2 million and then tries to cash it in his personal bank account. it's like what in the world are you thinking about this, especially trying to go after somebody as big as david letterman. but trying to get a check, and you know -- >> didn't he have money problems, mike walters? doesn't this guy have money problems? >> i was going to say, i'll end with this, we dug up his divorce in 2004 with his ex-wife and he had to, at the end, he had to pay $6800 a month in child support, which is a lot of money. not saying we know for a fact he has money problems, but it looks like he has some woes there and just to end it, we just heard the clip, my favorite part of this, how david letterman

delivered this. did you hear all the people laughing? like it was a joke. >> that's why he is where he is. >> unbelievable how he delivered that. >> mike walters, tmz, doing an amazing story on this, as always. explaining how this guy allegedly got the dirt on letterman's escapades. "the new york post" is reporting halderman's ex-girlfriend told him she had slept with letterman years ago. now, we do not know who this woman is. but "the new york post" reports halderman's most recent ex is a long-time late show staffer. you keeping up with all this? tmz got their hands on this clip of a woman named stephanie burkette appearing on "the late show." >> would you care to demonstrate the hiem lick on stephanie or rupert, either one. >> this is what you do. >> stephanie, pretend you're choking to death, stephanie. okay. all right. let's just hope the wife's not watching. >> tmz reports stephanie lived

with joe halderman until recently. lisa bloom, we have no idea whether she had sexual relations with david letterman, but this is a can of worms. could this young woman, who we would love to get her comment, by the way, and feel we'd love to get her comment, by the way, and feel free to come on our schmo tell us your side of the story, my dear? could she be in any legal quandaries? >> i doubt it. it sounds like this was behavior between consenting adults. i mean, my facebook page has been lighting up with this. a lot of people are really outsxrajd 1k57bou outraged and scandalized. other people say leave david letterman for me. bottom line he's the avictim of a very serious crime. he was terrified when he gets a package in his car at 6:00 a.m., which mentions his 6-year-old child, by the way, and threatens him unless he discloses this or gives this guy $2 million. i mean, that's a horrendous thing, and that trumps to me any behavior that he's engaged in. >> jane, one thing -- >> the one thing we don't have here is apparently addiction. but a lot of people are battling

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that's a decision for them to make if they want to come public and talk about the relationships. if i want to go public and talk about the relationships. but what you don't want is a guy saying, i know you had sex with women. so i would like $2 million or i'm going to make trouble for you. >> david letterman on the cbs "late show" last night talking about the man who allegedly tried to blackmail him and reveal a scandalous sexy secret in a screenplay. dr. gail saltz, we need a psychiatrist on. this guy is a producer for "48 hours," one of the most prestigious and well-respected shows on television of a non-fiction nature. and he's drumming up allegedly

this screenplay. it seems like a very immature plot and almost like something that he would cover as a reporter and unravel rather quickly. why this naive alleged plot, do you think? >> well, i think you're bringing up the important point, which is this is what this man does for a living. he immerses himself daily in these bizarre, strange criminal acts for his show. and you know, that can start to seem very real to you. you can start -- >> oh, come on. i've been covering stuff for 30 years, and i'm not running around concocting bizarre plots. not yet anyway. >> you know what? but -- but you know what, jane? part of your show is about what's right and what's wrong. as opposed to being involved in the storyline like it's a movie. i mean, there really are two different kinds of shows if you think about it. >> wouldn't a guy who works in the crime field be asking for cash? i mean, come on. you don't -- >> exactly. >> i also think it's an incredibly self-destructive move on his part.

>> i was going to say also, i won't be surprised if it turns out he is under tremendous financial pressure. >> absolutely. >> his job may be at risk like we talked about earlier in the show. >> he's losing. >> that kind of thing drives people to do really ridiculous behaviors. >> he's losing it, he's cracking up. >> i wanted to go back to something you'd mentioned earlier. i question where he got all this information from. either there was very loose pillow talk between one of the former staffers with whom he had relations, extensive pillow talk, enough to fill a screenplay and other evidence, or i know they're looking into this to determine what role, if any, she might have played. >> well, listen, she's not charged with anything. and i don't want to cast aspersions on her. but mike walters, i understand that there were also in this packet, either there or threatened e-mails, photos, diaries, and all sorts of things. so i'm wondering if it's just, oh, plain old sex or might there be other creepy stuff that is

yet to be revealed. >> well, she's in the warrant. just so to make it clear. the reason that that's there is because what basically happened was now halderman was dating stephanie and during their relationship, which we hear has just ended also, think about that. you know, when you have a girlfriend and then your girlfriend slept with david letterman -- >> well, we don't know that she leapt with him. we can't say that. >> you're right. >> "the new york post" is reporting there was a fling with someone who had gone out with halderman, but i don't want to make that leap. i don't think it's fair to make that leap about anybody. >> i understand what you're saying. i agree. but if, you know, you're in this relationship and she tells you whatever happened with david letterm letterman, if something happened, that's where he decided to get the plot. he has e-mails and he has correspondence and difriz harie his ex-girlfriend that has david letterman in them. so he's trying to present it like i know -- >> we've got to leave it there. but do not write a diary.

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we begin tonight with breaking news in the case of 2-year-old florida girl caylee anthony. in the last hours casey anthony's lawyers taking to the airwaves, blasting newly released state's evidence. their defense -- that somebody else killed caylee. anthony's lawyers are filing motions to drop first-degree murder and aggravated child abuse charges. they want the death penalty taken off the table. this on the heels of 1,000 pages of police documents revealing a

major blunder for the state's case. duct tape found wrapped around caylee's skull contaminated by the fbi. a female lab tech's dna discovered on that piece of duct tape. also, could that hair in casey anthony's truck not show signs of decomposition? that's what the defense is saying. but in another revelation, it is revealed a large stain, the silhouette of a child curled up in a fetal position, found in casey anthony's car trunk. the defense is calling it junk science. they say there is not direct evidence linking casey anthony to her daughter's murder. but how will the anthonys' lawyers explain the 31 days it took to report her child missing and her nights partying around town while little caylee is gone?

>> they got all of their information from me. yet at the same time they're twisting stuff. they've already said they're going to pin this on me if they don't find caylee. >> i believe there's something that's -- >> there was an overpowering smell of death. >> i forgive whoever has her. i just want her to come home. i just want my baby back. >> she's not a murderer. >> there's no evidence that casey has ever done any harm to her child. >> i as a mom, i know in my gut there's a feeling as a parent you know certain things about your child. you can feel that connection. and i still have that presence. i know she's alive. >> my entire life has been taken from me. >> you don't realize what you've done to us. and you don't care. >> i'm frustrated and i'm angry. you don't understand. everybody wants me to have answers. i don't have any answers.

i'm not in control over any of this because i don't know what the hell's going on. >> mommy loves her very much. she's the most important thing in this entire world to me. >> good evening. i'm jean casarez of the legal network in session in for nancy grace tonight. thank you very much for joining us. major developments in the case of 2-year-old florida girl caylee anthony. casey anthony's lawyers fighting to get first-degree murder charges dropped. their defense -- that somebody else killed caylee. >> why didn't you call prior to today? >> fear of the unknown. fear of the potential of caylee getting hurt, of not seeing my daughter again. >> she told us on our visitation, our first day of visitation, that she's protecting the family from physical harm, including caylee. >> did you cause any injury to your child, caylee? >> no, sir. >> did you hurt caylee or leave her somewhere and you're worried if we find out how that people are going to look at you the wrong way? >> no, sir. >> from day one you guys were

building a case against casey as a murderer. she's not -- the only thing i know is she loves that child. >> you'll never live up to your mother expectations, right? >> there's no way i would ever do anything or let any harm come to that child. >> when you say you sympathize and all that kind of stuff-u don't give anything about me. you don't care. >> you have to have hope. if you don't have hope, you don't have faith. and i know you don't have faith. >> shut up. >> no, i'm not shutting up. >> she's the one thing in this world that i love more than anything. >> and out to natisha lance, nancy grace producer on this case from the very beginning. first of all, natisha, let's start from the beginning. what is the defense asking for here? >> well, jean, the defense is asking for the first two counts against casey anthony to be thrown out. so that is the murder charge against her as well as the child abuse charge that is against her. now, they are also asking for

the death penalty to be taken off the table. now, the reason that they want these two first counts to be taken off the table is because they feel that the state does not have enough evidence to prove their case. they're saying there is no evidence that links casey anthony to the crime scene and as far as the death penalty is concerned they're saying there's only one aggravating factor that would apply to casey anthony in this case, and that is that the victim is under the age of 12. and they are saying that is not enough in order to get the death penalty. >> natisha, one of the documents that they attached to their motion to dismiss -- and you're right. the defense is asking for this case to be out and right dismissed, totally, so there is not a criminal case of first-degree murder against casey anthony any longer. they focus in on the hair, that we have heard for months now a hair found in the truck showing signs of decomposition, in the trunk of casey anthony's car. what is the defense saying now based on documents released? >> well, jean, they are saying that this is all circumstantial

evidence. and they're calling any test that was done in the trunk of that car to be junk science. >> all right. and i think they are also basing this motion to defense on some discovery just released saying that the hair cannot absolutely say that the hair is from a decomposing body but it is consistent with a decomposing body. we're going to go into this later. let's go straight out now to kathi belich with cnn affiliate wftv. another thing the defense is focusing on, even through their family attorney, has to do with duct tape. explain. >> that's right. they are really releasing some documents that are state documents before the state released them. and one of them talks about how microscopically the duct tape that was found stretched across caylee's mouth was dissimilar to the duct tape found on the gas can. now, that's microscopically speaking, which simply means

they look different. and you have to remember that the duct tape stretched across caylee's mouth was facing the elements for months and the florida heat. so of course they would look different. and you might remember the fbi tested the adhesive on both pieces of tape, said they were chemically the same and that those two pieces of duct tape could teef have come from the same roll. you just mentioned the information that they've just released concerning the hair. that test that they were talking about a couple days ago was actually done early august. it was after that that more tests were done on that hair. and then it was concluded that the hair did show signs of decomposition. so that test came before other tests. the tests are coming to us out of order. you cannot read too much out of that. >> very good information to find out. now, kathi belich, you and your station also did your own comparison for one of your news stories in the local orlando area about duct tape and duct tape being found on posters when caylee was still a missing person. >> that's right.

there was a new focus this week on duct tape. we went back and looked at some of the video we have shot over the months. we looked back at signs that were post in the anthony home and caylee posters. we found duct tape on a caylee poster from july 20th of last year, just days after casey was arrested and a month after caylee disappeared. and that duct tape appears to have the same distinct markings on it that you can clearly see on the duct tape that was found on the anthonys' gas can. namely, it has a logo for the company henkel that was the manufacturer and even some specifications concerning temperature on the tape. you can see that on the tape that was found on the caylee poster that the anthonys had put up early in the days of the search for caylee. our legal analyst believes that that is one more piece of evidence, one more piece of duct tape that's similar, that would point to all of them coming from the same roll as a very rare type of duct tape that isn't

manufactured anymore, hasn't been for years, and it's a rare industrial tape. >> all right. we are taking your calls live tonight. kathi, i want to go through this with a fine-toothed comb. the duct tape is afrom a manufacturer i believe called henkel company. and actually, a logo of the henkel company was found on the duct tape? >> that's absolutely right. the logo, it's sort of a black oval logo with a company name on it, and then there's more printing on the tape that it's specifications of a temperature, max temperature 200 degrees fahrenheit. and documents that were previously released to us sthee fbi investigators found that same logo also on the tape that was found stretched across caylee's mouth. we understand there are fbi photographs that clearly show that logo. they apparently were provided to the defense months ago in march. the defense has had those photographs since march.

and they should be about to be released to us sometime soon. >> kathi, if this duct tape hasn't been available for years, can you purchase it anywhere in the orlando area? >> i'm not sure if you can purchase it still in the orlando area. the home depot did not sell it. lowe's did sell it. but i believe there were only about 100,000 rolls that were sold across north america. it's a fairly rare duct tape. it's an industrial duct tape. and the fact that three pieces now have been found connected to the anthony family just increases the chances as the fbi said that two pieces have come from the same roll. >> seems to me more investigation needs to be done on that. let's go out to the attorneys, susan moss advocate family attorney out of new york, joey jackson defense attorney out of new york. midwin charles defense attorney out of new york also. to susan moss, you know the defense has a point here. they are saying there's just not enough evidence here, you don't have fingerprints, you don't have fiber evidence, you don't have any forensics that match

casey anthony herself with the crime. play devil's advocate with me. why shouldn't this case be dismissed? >> absolutely not. even the circumstantial evidence in this case is enough to convict her. 31 days she doesn't tell anyone that this child is missing. and how about the zenaida charade-a? i mean, how can forget the smell of death in her own car? now they're coming out and saying oh, it wasn't the smell of death, it was apparently death-scented pizza? come on, that's absolutely ridiculous. how about her computer searches for chloroform and other ways to kill a child? when you put together the whole package, even without the science, and that science is good, even without the science there's a conviction. >> you know, susan moss, i want to tell you, as an attorney and with court tv covering so many cases for years, i've covered many death penalty case that are circumstantial cases and guess, what there's a conviction. one that stands out in my mind is the scott peterson case in california. we all remember that case,

right? that was a circumstantial case. you know what? there was one piece of direct evidence, one piece. and it was in the boat. and it was those pliers that had the sharpened points on them. and it had a hair of his wife that was found murdered. he was ultimately convicted on that. but joey jackson, defense attorney, your thoughts on this? because the defense asking for this case to be dismissed. >> well, what'll happen, jean, is this. there's no question about the fact that the discovery of information that they have is going to help them. it's going to help them substantially. but it is certainly not going to lead to the dismissal of the case. but they are going to play it up big in front of the jury.

i have a 3-year-old that's been missing for a month. >> a 3-year-old? >> yes. >> have you reported that? >> oom trying to do that now, ma'am. >> there's absolutely nothing to find out. not even what i told the detectives. >> well, you know, everything that you're telling them is a lie. >> i have no clue where caylee is. if i knew where caylee was do you think any of this would be happening? no. >> i need to find her. >> i don't know what your involvement is, sweetheart. you're not telling me where she's at. >> because i don't [ bleep ] know where she's at. are you kidding me? >> i love her and i support her, and that i understand, and every day that goes by i know exactly how hard it is that she's giving up her life to protect her child. >> my daughter may have some mistruths out there or half truths, but she is not a

murderer. >> there's no evidence that casey has ever done any harm to her child. >> i as a mom, i know in my gut the feeling as a parent, you know certain things about your child. you can feel that connection. and i still have that feeling. >> what she told me and what i found out was two different things. i don't know casey's reasons for telling me except that what she's told me. she told me she was protecting caylee and she's protecting the family. and until this day i still believe that she's protecting caylee and the family. i'm jean casarez of the legal network in session in for nancy grace. let's go out to jada in new york. are you there, jada? >> caller: yes, i am. >> hi. what's your question? >> caller: yes. i've been watching the case and everything from the beginning. and i heard about the stain in the trunk in the shape of a child in the fetal position. >> yes. okay. so you want to know more about that? >> caller: yes.

my question is since the defense is trying to argue that it could be any -- you know, anything, my question would be is when it does go to trial, is it as evidence? would they be able to get a child to lay like, you know, in the silhouette so they can see that it is a child? is that something they would be able to do? >> that's a great question. midwin charles, defense attorney, it just came out that investigators believe through visual examination that they can see a silhouette of an outline of a child in a fetal position in the trunk of casey anthony's car. number one, can that come into evidence? and number two, could the prosecution do a type of experiment showing what a child that age would look like in a fetal position to match the silhouette they say is in the car? >> i'm sure that they can do that. the problem is whether or not it would be convincing to a jury. i mean, that's one of the things we're always trying to work with here, is whether or not the evidence presented to the jury is substantial enough that they

would have no reasonable doubt. and right now you've got a lot of circumstantial evidence but no direct evidence. >> and that is one of the big issues. want to go out to dr. marty makary, physician and professor of public health out of johns hopkins university. you know this hair that we have been hearing about for months in the trunk of casey anthony's car, extremely important forensic evidence. well, what the discovery documents say is that they cannot conclusively say it's a hair of decomposition but is consistent with decomposition. now, as i travel around the country and am in courtrooms, what i hear is that 10 out of 12 markers are consistent with the dna of the defendant. that's a word we hear. can you ever conclusively say something is just so? >> well, most of the time. but most of the time you've got multiple hair cells to make this highly certain diagnosis again and again and again. and with every additional hair cell, that certainty goes up

tenfold. the problem is in this case there's one hair cell and we're told that that hair does not definitively fall under the category of hair that comes from a decomposed person. you know, usually a hair's a treasure trove of information, but sometimes it can be a little ambiguous. >> if a hair is consistent with decomposition in a trunk that has air samples which show the presence of decomposition, does that give it more strength? >> certainly gives it more strength. you know, not much will give you air samples of decomposition. the body gives off unique chemicals, molecules that become airborne. and those samples really only mean one thing. it means there's a decomposed human being. it doesn't mean there's food or other things bacteria has grown on. it means there's a human being there. >> and thaefd is not being attacked by the defense right here. let's go out to patricia in maryland. hi, patricia. good evening. >> caller: hi. how are you? >> i'm fine.

>> caller: my question is about this duct tape that's been messed with in the lab. what happened with that? >> that's a great question. let's go to natisha lance, nancy grace producer. talk to us about the duct tape that fingerprints were found on but it happened to be a lab technician, right? investigator. talk to us about that. >> well, actually, jean, it was a hair that was found on there that belonged to this lab technician. so this duct tape has been contaminated. now, there is also a test -- remember there was that residue from a heart-shaped sticker that was on that duct tape. they apparently did a test fingerprinting on that duct tape and now that residue from that heart-shaped sticker is gone.

can someone let me -- come on! >> casey, hold on, sweetheart. settle down. >> nobody's letting me speak. >> i still believe my daughter.

>> i believe in my daughter. >> i already answered this question. >> and you believe she was fabricating -- >> i already answered the question. i'm not answering it again. >> do you have any interest in helping us? >> i've had interest in helping law enforcement from the beginning. unfortunately, my hands were literally tied and i was put in a position where someone was trying to trick a confession out of me and that's not going to happen. >> casey's lied to me in the past, and when she's lied she's told me the truth. we've always gotten to the bottom of the truth. >> i'm jean casarez of the legal network in session in for nancy grace tonight. over 1,000 documents have been released in discovery in the casey anthony case. the defense now has filed two motions. one to dismiss this case outright. they say somebody else killed caylee anthony. and they've also asked for the death penalty to be taken off the table. i want to go to woodrow tripp, former police commander out of atlanta, georgia. it is so true, as our last caller said, that the duct tape

that was found on the skeletal remains had forensic evidence from actually one of the crime scene investigators out of tampa that was at the scene. what does this do to the state's forensic case? >> it definitely, absolutely completely confuses if not totally throws that part of the dna evidence out. >> but isn't there a positive in all of this? they know who that forensic evidence belongs to. it belongs to a crime scene investigator out of tampa that was at the scene. if they weren't able to find out who it was from, it would be this unknown that the defense could go to to say this may be the person that put the duct tape around and therefore murdered caylee anthony. isn't that a positive, though? >> it's a positive in the sense that, yes, they were able to rule out who it was. the negative in this is that that was the only hair.

so at this point they're back to zero. >> all right. to lisa in california. hi, lisa. thanks for calling. >> caller: hi. >> hi. what's your question? >> caller: my question is if casey's mom says that she smelled something in the trunk don't you think she would have gone out to like open the trunk and investigated the smell? >> all right. that's a very good question. to marc klaas, president and founder of klaaskids foundation, child advocate. you know, mark, lisa brings us back to the very basics in this case. the family smelled signs of decomposition.

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if you think of anything that could help, don't be afraid. >> oh, i won't hesitate to let you guys know. >> being forthcoming and being truthful are two completely separate things. >> did y'all think she was being forthcoming? >> as far as anything else at the moment, there's either nothing that i can obviously give to you now or -- there really honestly isn't anything i can think of at this exact moment. >> it's felt to me that there was reluctance. >> i can only do so much from where i'm at. and i want to do so much more,

but i can't. >> i don't want you to, you know, feel for any reason that, you know, we're not on your side about anything, because we are about everything. we're completely behind you. >> oh, i know. >> i just don't know if i can believe what she's saying. you know? >> where are you? we need to meet up. you know, we need to make this happen. >> and what did she say? >> i'm in jacksonville. i said no, you're not. you're here. you know. >> if you'd have told the truth and not lied about everything -- >> how come she never got a chance to get the car? it doesn't make sense. >> mom. >> i trust casey. >> i know my daughter's not leveling with me. and i know this is what she's done in the past. >> all i want is caylee home. but i want to be there when she comes home. >> you know, i've got to believe her that she knows where -- everything is okay. >> i'm jean casarez of the legal network in session in for nancy grace. we want to show everybody right here, these are the 1,000 pages

of documents that have just come out most recently in discovery. and because of these pages of documents the defense has concluded that casey anthony did not kill her own daughter. so they have filed a motion to dismiss, saying this court should not entertain this case because there's no direct evidence showing that casey anthony killed caylee. i want to go out to marc klaas, president and founder of klaaskids foundation out of san francisco, california. marc, when you hear all of this and the defense attorneys were on all of the morning shows today talking about this, what are your thoughts? >> well, you know, the defense attorneys have told us time and time again that this case is going to be adjudicated in the courtroom and not on the tv. so it's kind of ironic that they have gone on to this offensive today. and i think it's probably a desperation move. and i also believe that if casey anthony were my client i'd probably be pretty desperate too. but you know, going back to the beginning, as your previous caller had done with the trunk,

everything up until the forensics points directly at casey and really at nobody else despite every attempt that the family has made to point the finger at other people. >> to patricia saunders, clinical psychologist out of new york. you know, marc klaas makes a very good point. the defense has always said we want to try this in the courtroom, we don't want to try this in the court of public opinion. and one thing they said in their motion and they said on some of the news shows today is that casey anthony has very compelling reasons for what she did when she did it after her daughter went missing and it will come out in a trial. and that has to do with not reporting to authorities for 31 days her child was missing, the fact that it's documented that she was partying, that she got a tattoo on her back, "vi "vita bella," good life. how is the defense going to explain compelling reasons for doing all this? >> you sure got me on that one, jean. i don't have a clue. but i think the defense is doing

what defense attorneys do. and the anthonys are doing what desperate parents do. and that's to take different slices of facts, different slices of reality, and try and shift people's understanding of it. it's like propaganda. people can put out all kinds of wild, bizarre, or a little different statements and just hope someone on the jury's going to believe them. >> to leonard padilla, bounty hunter, who has been a part of this case for a long time, you know, it sure does help the prosecution to have direct evidence, but circumstantial cases can be actually even stronger than direct evidence cases. when you look at the direct evidence, though, in this case, can you find any, and what do you think is the closest to that that the prosecution will hang its hat on? >> well, i think they've got enough. i've been around hundreds of these cases that had less direct evidence than this one's got. but you have to look at it in the totality. you can't just look at one item

where a lab technician messed up and want to excuse the rest of the case or get it dismissed. it's just not going to happen that way. when those lab technicians get up on that stand, you take a fellow like todd, this is his first criminal defense case, he's never done a criminal case. that's yes makes these statements about well, i want to get it dismised because it's junk technology and all that. no, it's not. those lab technicians are very practiced. they're very methodical when they testify. and you don't realize that you're listening to information that is coming -- in a sense it's direct information. when they put it out on evidence. when they testify, believe me, it doesn't sound like it's forensics. it sounds like they were there and they saw it and they're testifying to that. >> you know, leonard padilla -- >> the jury's going to believe them. >> -- what you are talking about right here is an extremely important point, and it is called the weight of the evidence. that the jury is allowed to hear all of the evidence and they

themselves weigh the evidence. susan moss, your thoughts? >> absolutely. even if mark fuhrman was the fbi investigator on this case, they're still going to get a conviction. and the reason for that is the science is real. and even if you throw away some of the evidence that's been contaminated, the duct tape, et cetera, you still have the chloroform in that car belonging to casey. it's her car. she was the only one using it. you still have those computer searches. you still have the fact that these -- all these pictures of her gallivanting all around when her daughter is missing. you can't dismiss that away and a jury's not going to fwliev explanation ppz. >> to joey jackson, obviously this is your show tonight because we're talking about defense motions and what they have. but when you look at the trunk of that car, that was casey anthony's car. she had the control of that car. she had the domain of that car. in fact, her boyfriend even described to police the last time she drove her car and just

abandon td aed it and then it w laird tow later towed to a tow yard. how do you get over the fact she had complete control of that vehicle? >> she did indeed, jean, but at the end of the day we don't want to base the case on duct tape and silhouettes and if the prosecution is doing that certainly they have a tough row to hoe. the reality is you ask questions about why the defense is on tv and they're stating their case. you want to even the playing field. and to the extent that they now can contaminate the jury pool in their favor by indicating look, we have this evidence out here but it's circumstantial, look at the directs evidence, and what the defense is going to do, jean-s they're going to say we have to base this case on direct evidence, where is it? it's all circumstantial. why didn't she report it within 30 days? she panicked. why was she out partying? she was in denial. so they're going to attempt to explain it that way. >> to midwin charles, defense attorney, you know, i've read the motions and one thing i think the defense is really trying to do here, they want to get the death penalty out of this case. agree? >> absolutely. and i think it's one of the best things they can do. i mean, as joey said, there's no

direct evidence here. so what are you going to do as a defense attorney? you're going to represent your client zealously. you're going to do what you can to ensure you throw out that death penalty case. because right now that is really the toughest thing that she's facing. >> and the lead attorney as far as death penalty in this case is andrea lyon. she comes out of illinois. she was not on any of the talk shows this morning. she's a death penalty lawyer. i'm in the middle of reading her book right now. she has never lost a care, the dea death penalty in regard to asking the jury for the death penalty. of course illinois is different from florida. let's go to stacy in canada. good evening, stacy. >> caller: hi. good evening. how are you? >> your question. >> caller: i love your show. i'd like to know where this nanny is -- where she is and when she left the child with this lady how long has -- when did she leave the child with this lady?

>> okay. good question. kathi belich, cnn affiliate wftv. ing kathi, let's go back to the beginning. talk to us about this nanny. because those were the first words out of casey anthony's mouth when she spoke with investigators. >> that's right. she told them she dropped caylee off with the nanny on june 16th. it was the day after father's day. it was a monday. she said she dropped her off with a nanny at the sawgrass apartments, that her name is zenaida gonzalez. and no one -- that's a good question, where is she, who is she, because no one knows the answer to that question. and at the anthonys' attorney's news conference the other day he claims the family is now focused on puerto rico looking for this zenaida gonzalez. but it's been more than a year, and nobody can produce this woman who was allegedly casey anthony's nanny. >> and to bounty hunter leonard padilla, you were in the home for a long time. did they talk about the nanny? did they talk about zenaida gonzalez or zenaida fernandez gonzalez? >> yes, they did.

cindy came to me and said she wants to talk to you. we sat there, and cindy says here's what happened, she took the baby away from her at the j. blanchard park, her and her sister samantha, they had the two kids and they put the child caylee in a silver ford focus. this is all bunk. she came up with that information on the 17th, when zenaida fernandez gonzalez was at the sawgrass apartments looking for an apartment, trying to get away from a bad marriage and she put -- she only had two kids and she was driving a silver kia that looks like a ford focus. she's making it all up, and the whole family's going with it.

911. what's your emergency? >> i called a little bit ago. the deputy sheriff. i found out my granddaughter has been taken. she has been missing for a month. >> i felt rotten whatever it was. something decomposing in there. >> the trunk was open, the windows were rolled down to what i assume ventilate the horrible smell. whatever it was, it was very

potent. >> the smell that i smelled inside that car was the smell of decomposition. >> there's no evidence that casey has ever done any harm to her child. >> she lived with me for three years. i've never seen anything. >> i got a sick feeling for a second because the car that was all closed up, and from me to you away from it, and you could smell an odor. you don't forget that odor, no matter what it is. you never, ever forget it. >> caylee is not dead. >> in my gut she's still okay, and it still feels like she is close to home. >> i'm jean casarez of the looelg leg legal network in session to n. for nancy grace tonight. very big news for the casey anthony case. the defense is saying based on the release of the latest documents there is not direct evidence linking casey anthony to the murder of her daughter caylee, the forensics just aren't there, therefore the case should be dismissed. this is going to be part of a very big hearing in the short term. to kathi belich with cnn affiliate wftv in orlando, florida. you have been on this case. you are there in orlando.

we have no indication that forensic evidence testing has concluded, right? i mean, this is a huge case with many pieces of evidence. there may still not be things that the prosecutors know that we don't know. >> there might be a lot of those things. a good example is the photographs of the duct tape that was stretched across caylee's mouth. the defense has had that since march. we still haven't gotten it ourselves. and for all we know testing is still ongoing in this case. this is a very complicated case. you see how all of those fbi agents who were working that duct tape were tested for dna just to find out whose hair that was they had found, or whatever the dna was on that -- on that duct tape. i mean, this is just a very complicated case, and there might still be things that even the investigators don't know yet. >> it truly is. the thousands of documents that we already have. to natisha lance, nancy grace producer. i want to focus on this duct tape again. and brad conway has come out -- i don't believe the discovery is in the hands of the public yet,

but he is saying that the fabric of the duct tape found on the remains of caylee does not match any duct tape on any gas can or anything that is in the possession of the anthony family. but here's my question. shouldn't prosecutors and investigators be looking for where you could buy it and if it has a very small -- or if it could be purchased on the internet if there are any computer records that show a purchase of something like that? right? >> that's right, jean. and actually, that is what prosecutors did. they did exactly that thing. and what they were able to find out from the henkel company is that 134,000 rolls were sold in 2006 and 2007. now, that brand is a rare brand. it's called fireguard duck. there's not very many that are sold. it's about less than 1% of all the duct tape sales that happened from about 2002 through 2007 constitute this duct tape brand. and also, jean, the odds of

having these two pieces of duct tape randomly in the same area, the odds are about 250,000 to 1. so prosecutors are using this. this is something that they probably are going to bring up during their case. and those are pretty high odds. >> and there's the logo right there. the henkel logo right there. and the question i have, and you probably don't know the answer. i don't think anyone does. but it's so rare. can it be purchased? orlando? if so, where? if so how close is that to the home? if so was anyone from the family or casey anthony ever in that store? i mean, those are questions we still have in this case that we don't know the answers to. joy in tennessee. thanks for hanging on, joy. good evening. >> caller: hi. how are you? >> i'm fine. what's your question? >> caller: actually, i had a two-part question. first of all, casey, they explain it as ugly coping, the 31 days that caylee was missing she's supposedly looking for her. and she blames it on, you know,

zenaida. so that proves zenaida is not -- so there she's caught in a lie. and also, her mother says i think she's protecting us, protecting the family. okay. well, caylee's already passed away. her mother and father are out on their own. she's in jail. who's she protecting them from? >> okay. in other words, who is protecting caylee right now i think is your sque. the victim in all this. let's go out to leonard padilla. the first question was that casey anthony said in the 31 days she didn't report her daughter missing she was looking for her. did you hear any conversation about that in the home? >> you know, when we were in the home we never, ever discussed let's go out and look for her, let's go see where she's at, let's go do anything. no. but i will tell you this. in hindsight i'm going to tell you that the whole family is delusional. they follow cindy's lead. she makes up a lie, and the next thing is everybody's following it.

and the reason they don't bring kronk into the middle of this whole thing is because they are afraid what they might have to reveal as what was overheard by kronk, what kronk knows, how he got his information where the body was, and jose baez himself is concerned about that. he cannot say, well, this is what happened, casey told me that the body was at such and such a place and somehow kronk got that information because it was overheard by somebody in the jail. so -- >> patricia saunders -- >> so all delusional -- >> all right. got your point. thank you. patricia saunders, we've got just a few seconds. but everyone is protecting casey anthony. who's protecting caylee tonight? >> the prosecution is protecting her. >> all right. and tonight we now have "cnn heroes." >> this is "cnn heroes." >> hello. i'm john legend. during last year's "cnn heroes: an all-star are tribute," i had the honor of performing and helping to recognize the great works of

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table. i love that you pointed out that i talk about people behind their backs. i any it is interesting when people want me to confront celebrities. i was raised right. i talk about people behind their backs. so when people say that on reality shows, if you have something to say, say it to my face. i would rather wait until you leave the room. >> sometimes you get into trouble. you have said things that i have down here. suck it, jesus. >> when i won my first emmy. >> why were you interested in offending christians? >> i like to offend individuals, but i find that deiities and religious groups are the most funny. when i told jesus to suck it. usually they go up there and thank god.

miley did it after dancing on the poll. i said jesus had nothing to do with the award, this award is my god now. and then they took out a huge ad against me and spent more money than bravo ever would. >> do you get death threats? >> yes. >> how do you handle that? that is scary? >> i laugh at all of it. that is probably why i am not a security expert. i would not be a good homeland security expert. i would say just laugh at those jihadists. they are a riot. >> what about -- >> i got tips from him? how to deal with a -- i have a hollywood one at all times. mostly perpetrated by barbara walters. >> let's leave her out of this conversation.

>> do we have to? >> regis, you have not been invited back. >> did you know you are in my book. >> i heard about that. >> my book has an index where you can look yourself up and you can see what page you are on there by having to not read the mole book at all. what happened was i was on "the view" one time and you said to me out of the blue, have you been on regis lately and i said no. and i said know, and you said because gelman was regis's [ bleep ]. and then i said i haven't been on the show. i have not been on regis and kelly lee -- let's go with that. that's how long it has been since i have been on the show that i believe i have a fatwa from gelman. i didn't know he could put one on. >> he doesn't want to be known

as regis's [ bleep ]. maybe some people don't have the same sense of humor. >> you don't think that regis beats gillman? >> regis is the boss. when you do get into trouble, you will not apologize? >> i will not apologize for jokes. i will apologize if i step odd ontoe. i have apologized for many, many things. but saying suck it jesus at the creative arts emmys is so clearly a joke starting a rumor that dakota fanning is going rehab at 9 years old. if i had said it about lindsay lohan, that is not to clear. >> what about the facts that david letterman apologized to sarah palin. >> in my book i talked about being banned from letterman.

as i was writing the book, my 1-year ban was lifted. >> why? >> i think because i swore too much. they never want to say urbaned. they just want to keep not booking you. after winning emmys and going to iraq, they can't find a spot for me but they can have spencer but they can find a spot for him. then on letterman i was a fallout. when you are on the d-list, that is what you do. the show booked a head cold, paula abdul and they call me and i rush and fill in. that is how i got to go back on letterman. >> what does this mean when you do it like that? >> i would say that paula abdul appears to be under the influence of really enjoying life. >> she says she has pain medication or something simple

like that. >> if she is saying she has pain medication, i aglee. >> i tloulgt shought she was a . >> in the book i talk about sexism in hollywood. i think sit appalling that sea crest makes $45 million and paula made 3. she gets a tenth of what the guys get? a 12? >> i think he was getting $45 million for various jobs. >> she is a big reason people watch that she and she was one of the big reasons i watched it. >> you needed somebody nice and somebody who would come on to the kids. it was great. now you talk about sexism in hollywood. why in hol ilywood? it is all over the place. >> i can't believe how bad it still is. when i was a kid and joan rivers took on the tonight show, i thought it would be 50/50.

there isn't a female in network late night to this day. there was one, joan rivers and never again, is mind-blowing to me. >> after she had her own show and didn't tell johnny carson she was getting her own show, the patriarch was upset, she was banned from the shows as well. she was rekrenly invited back over the last 20 years is that a female thing? >> yes. >> only women snr. >> as far as having those shows, i believe it is a woman thing. even the clubs. i don't know about the banning part. i think a lot of the guys don't necessarily know what to do with the woman. if you are not the hot chick they don't know what to do with you. if you are not the starlet saying our tv show is like a family. one time we played a joke where we switched cola for coffee. >> with a woman comedian, it is

too much power. >> there is the whole thing. generally don't think that chicks are funny. when i do my shows i perform for day guys and women. a lot of guys say my wife dragged me and i didn't want to come but you are really funny. >> do you think there is less sexism among women? >> stips yes, sometimes no. there are a few of us vying for a few jobs. so sometimes girl on girl crime can be the worst. i think ultimately, luckily i have been lucky enough to have a lot f girls help me along the way. the first week i did stand up, i had feminists with. >> they are both feminists. they will be good for you. >> they were very helpful. but i love all the gals. i love chelsee -- >> what about ellen? >> i love her. >> you were nasty in the book.

>> i thought she really kind of ruled that set with an iron fist. it took me aback a little built. >> if she were a man you wouldn't be saying that. >> what she did is i felt like she had me perform like a circus monkey which normally i am happy to do. i do have little cymbals attached to my fingers at times. i think i am currently banned from her show. i have been out about three years. >> you do just fine. you are not on the d-list. you are an a-list person and to be on the d-list person sounds wrong. you have a huge day following. >> thank god for days. >> what is that about? >> i get along with day guys. i didn't have to put any effort. >> i remember in the early days,

the day audience was easier to deal with. they were downtown and they got -- >> it was geography for you? >> when i got uptown, it was hetero and harder to deal. >> i call them -- they are already in a minority that has to strugle and already feel like being on the outside looking in and that is what the d list is. that is why i do well with day audiences. and the kind of stand up. what am i going to say to a day person that they haven't heard. unless i mention going to cher's house. >> they don't really admire you they want to be you? >> and vice versa. there are a lot of day guys i would love to be. >> who has a bigger fan base? you, cher, our larry craig?

>> larry. he has more of a niche courthouse but they are passionate. >> we will be right back. >> hi, i am kathy grien. i think we are live from baghdad. we are going be at a desk. there is going to be a lot of ieds. we will talk smack about slebs. celebrities.

we are back with the very funny kathy griffith. >> this book hits you with a few serious topics. >> i did not expect to find out that your brother was a pedophile. >> i am writing a memoir. if people are going put down their hard earned money they need something they will not get if they come see me live. i had to write about the serious stuff. part of me wanted to make it a humor book. the type of books that i like

are honest and forthright. barbara walters and joan rivers and paula dean and those are the type of books i like to read so i had to talk about my eldest brother, kenny, who is now passed away. he is was a pedophile. he was home skpls a crack addict and lived on the streets for years and he actually died in my mom's arms. >> sad f. >> very, very sad. lived to be i think 60 years old. >> did he molest children? >> yes. >> he did? >> that's what a pedophile is. >> you don't say that exactly in your book. >> it is a serious thing. >> you say he got into bed with you when you were a little girl. >> when i was a little kid like under ten years old and he was 20 years older than i. he would get into bed with me and whisper.

>> did he touch you? >> not that i recall. if you saw a 7-year-old kid and there was a guy 20 years older than her cuddling with her -- >> it's creepy. >> exactly. >> i don't know that he molested you. >> i never used that word for me. i always say sexually inappropriate. i have talked to various experts. one thing they have talked to me a lot about is the denial that auch comes along with the crime. i am 48. we are talking 40 years ago. we almost didn't have the word pedophile there. >> that was before oprah and phil. >> kpexactly. and then in two long term relationships, both of the women told me about him molesting kids and many years later, i became esstranged from him and it was a devicive thing. my dad said why are you

completely esstranged from k kenny, i and said i believe he is a pedophile. my dad's sons -- my brother's response to my dad was i do what i do. >> oh. so he admitted it? >> look if someone accused me of being a pedophile, my answer would not be i do what i do. sit an amorphous thing. it does not have the witnesses go forward. i called the lapd. they said they needed to kids to come forward. i had the address of the apartment he was managing. i tried to get them to go ask them. it is a big thing to deal with and it had a big influence on me. >> scarring. i think it scars you. really getting to the point. >> it is all about secrets. >> no secrets and revealing everything. when i wrote this book, i

couldn't write a book without writing about him. >> did you tell your mother? >> yeah. >> what did your mother say? >> they didn't really know quite what it was. couldn't put it together. it is a tough thing. it is like the priest scandal. >> i had a day priest cousin. once again, you know -- >> so he was a -- a cousin. so there is something in your family. >> i always wondered. that is a big part of the book. i am not a big secret keeper. i don't think secrets ever work. they just fester. >> it is not like you to not talk about things. i have met your husband. seemed like a nice guy. you were happily married. what happened? >> i was actually quite happily married. there is a part and then i think

that there was some, you know, financial inproprieties that happened. >> he stole money from you? >> $72,000? >> what did he do with it? >> to this day i don't know. >> how did you find out? >> my accountant called. >> did you confront him? >> yes. >> what happened then? >> at first he denied it and then he said it was me. i said look apparently there is a tape. if there is a tape you might as well tell me before someone sees it. >> so are you divorced? or separated? >> totally divorced. >> do you have to pay him alimony? california is so crazy about that. >> it was not about the money. the first person i talked to -- not the first person but on tv, i talked to larry king. it really is about the trust. i started to question everything and do i really know him.

did i ever know him. why did he lie about this? you know this happened over a period of about two years. >> yeah. >> going into my wallet when i was asleep, taking my atm cards, withdrawing $1500 and putting the cards back in the wallet before i woke up. >> i couldn't figure it out. he never showed up with a rolex watch. >> so you off marriage forever? >> i am off marriage. >> and there are single guys that are available. >> i think that would be healthy. >> you could turn into a lesbian, that type of affair with your husband. if someone goes into my bank account, i am down with the girls. >> say hello to kalty.

back with a woman who has a tongue that could cut you. you had plastic surgery that almost killed you. >> i call it dental work. that is my code. a few of the desperate house wooifs have been to the dentist. i think everyone has been to the dentist. there is somebody on the hills that has like lip plumping. >> it doesn't have to do with age. now people have to look exactly how everybody else looks. you had a little problem with

plastic surgery and then you did it again. why did you do it again? >> because i am insecure and i want to be better. >> you will not be jennifer aniston. >> why? >> because then my life would be better. >> why? >> so pick somebody else. i want to be sun of the kardashians. i want to be khloe. >> you thought i would say kim. >> i don't know who they are. you say that lisa kudrow got a bob job, died her hair blond and became a star overnight. >> i knew her from the audition circuit. she was not getting a break. she and i auditioned for "saturday night live" together. she got a nose job, died her hair blond, she was on cheers,

mad about you and then " "friends". >> they are a chatty group here. i was reading that one of the girls from "saturday night live." >> i would like a latte with non-fat group. come on you have to keep up appearances. >> i have had botox. i don't care if anybody knows it. why is it such a secret? roseanne told it. >> the whole idea that there is a celebrity door and you have got to do the celebrity knock and they know you are fay mow by how many knocks. i stand out and say i am kathy griffin, let me in. but there is a whole culture of plastic surgery. i am on the d list in the

plastic surgeon's office. i talked to bette midler ask she says all women want to look better. are you going to talk about me ma in your next act? >> stunad is an i i tallian word that means you are out of it. >> i will say that and i will say -- what do you call your boyfriend? >> my spousal equivalent. >> you are worse than the days. >> he is a spouse without being a spouse. thank you, kathy griffin. her new book, firnl book club selection is in stores now. thanks, kathy. >> i am a little nervous because we have just done one of our

blocks and she mentioned being stunad and i don't know what that is.

earlier this week i had a chance to talk to bette midler and made history as johnny carson's last guest. ♪ ♪ long road [ applause ] >> one of great moments in television. now she is my first guest. here is hoping the magic continues. thank you honey for coming on the show. it tears us up when we see that.

doesn't it? >> maybe you. for me i am all smiles. once in a while i get misty eyed. he was a wonderful guy. he did so much for me. so much for so many people that i know. >> i never got on his show. >> that's too damn bad. >> who cares. i am sorry he is dead. >> here you have a show of your own. congratulations. >> let's not talk about him. >> he was a great guy yo will have a great run. >> i am glad you are my first guest ask you were his last. do you think he ever wanted to leave? >> i think some people really want to and some people don't. i think there are some people working in television who will have to be carried out feet first. no names. and other people who have had enough. it is hard work. when you look around. if our curious person, you say it is a lot the same. i have been doing this for a

long time and every day is pretty much the same. those kinds of people say i have had enough. >> what would you do if you were not in vegas. >> we were not talking about me. i am not retiring and you can't make me. if i were going to retire i wouldn't announce it. i would just back up into the wings and walk away. why would you say i am going to retire. then if you change your mind. >> look at cher, she always has a come back. >> god bless her. >> let's talk politics. i know you sung for obama. they have been calling him a lot of bad names which is really stupid. they are the opposites, really. what do you think about that? >> i think sit a new low in

political discourse and it is very disstressing. people of good will are distressed by it because it is so ugly and whacky. >> what should people of good will do? >> people of good will should talk rationally and po lightly in a civil tone. and people should be willing to listen to the other side and people should be willing to listen to your side. that seems to be gone. >> we are trying to do that. someone like glen beck has made a lot of money because he is out there being hateful in many ways. he calls himself a clown and a comedian. do you think he is funny? >> i have never had a laugh from glen. i find him terrifying. he is like an old school demagogue and that is frightening. if you look at the rest of the world what this behavior has done in rue wanda where the demagogues gone on the radio and

fermented all the hate. that could happen here. >> we have free speech here. everything he says we can -- >> i don't think hate speech should be so free. i am not for sensorship but i also feel like be a human being. >> but you can't stop people because they have the right to say it. it's the first amendment. >> i think that people who are educated to be civil are civil. that's all there is to it. people who are not edge kalted are just on the barbaric side, what can you do? that's the fault of the education system. >> it's in a lot of trouble. what do you think of sarah palin? >> i think she is an interesting character on the american scene. >> do you identify with her? >> i don't.

>> she hunts and fishes. >> according to levi johnson, she doesn't hupt or fish or cook. >> do you believe him? >> that article was so fascinating because it -- the voice in the article seemed so legitimate that i kind of sort of could go either way. >> so you believe him over her? those people laughing are alcoholic anom mouse. >> i don't know many journalists. i don't know how they do what they do. i don't know how they manage to get all of that information from someone like levi onson. >> you don't know if he is telling the truth. >> do you know if anyone is telling the truth any time ever? we used to have these father figures. but, where is walter? you know? >> he died a few weeks ago.

>> i know that. that's what i mean. >> two dead people in this one conversation so far. >> and we could go on. this was a very bad year. >> i want to change the subject. >> and i am dying right now. >> you and i are constantly -- think they i am you and you are me. let's look at the camera together. there is a picture. look, do we look alike? >> i had a look on my face like why are you pointing that camera at me. >> i look like someone is pointing something behind me. in this, we have had photographs taken where we do look very much alike especially when i had red hair. >> i was on a cruise before i had "the view." i performed and walked around the boat and i talked to people and then i overheard someone say how could they afford bett

bette midler. >> i was in pars. i am sitting in a line and and a lady said you look just like bette midler and i said thanks. and she said i bet you wish you had her money. >> great story. all the great years and i have all your albums. i am gushing over you. you are not blue. >> i work blue. >> i don't think that is blue. i would say you are baudy. >> you have to tell the audience at home what blue meanmeans. >> that means you are swearing. you might drop the f-bomb.

but you can do it in a concert. >> you can and i do. i sometimes feel like i am working a little blue for my crowd. they -- my husband says they pay to hear you swear. at first i was like ofepded and then i was like i think he is right. >> tell us what the hoolaween party is for? >> for my organization called new york restoration project. we clean parks in underserved neighbors. we are owner, designers and caretakers of 55 community gardens. >> do you have ocd? what do you have that causes you to want to clean up new york? >> i think it is a compulsion. i was brought up in hawaii. when i came to the continue

innocent of the united states, i said why are the clouds brown? >> that was california. >> right. that was california. why is there garbage oj the street. that disturbed me. i got on that path and never left. i never thought i would still be picking up garbage so many years after i stopped dating it. >> i have gotten to know the town, vegas, a little bit. i have friends there and relationships. >> normal people? >> there are a lot of normal people. i learned poker. i can't play blackjack. i have any little thing that i carry with many all the time. >> how does your husband like it there? >> he doesn't mind it at all. it is glittery and glamorous. >> he is a perform sner. >> he is. >> he was very charming. >> he is extremely charming.

he is brilliant. >> so you are going to keep him? >> 24 years. yeah. he loves all of this and he has seen the show 40 or 50 times and he cries and laughs every single time. >> he is a keeper. really nuts. >> yeah. >> you should keep him, though. >> i got him. >> okay, bette, i am so happy that you came to see me. >> is this it? are we over. >> this is my first show. i had a wonderful night. go ahead. >> i want to say that hoolaween is on october 30. be there or be square. and i will probably serve chicken pot pie. >> and you usually sing. >> i always sing. and we are honoring the mayor. >> thanks. that was one of the best. back with vanessa williams in just a minute.

you know, not for nothing, but my show has been on the air for two minutes and already i have been called every name in the book. stupid, dumb, loud mouth and

marxist. i own property. okay, it is in foreclosure but still. this name calling doesn't bother me. i am used to it. bill o'reilly once called me a pinhead and a christian columnist actually called me a fatty bloom blaty. which version of the bible does he read? king james or dr. suess. let me say something, i am a mature woman capable of intelligent discourse. i like to partake in well-informed conversation. i relish the thought of sitting down with all of my adversariries. i invite all of you to come on the show to discuss things like rational adults ooech if you are a big bunch of doody heads, but that's just me.

my next guest made headlines when she became the first black miss america 25 years ago. today she continues her career as a world famous actress and singer. she just released her latest al bup. >> let's look at that. >> am i smiling? i can't tell? >> i think you are. >> oh, willie. so good to be back and have health insurance again.

i have this weird mole thing. daniel still runs mode and a r alexis still runs me. >> to divide the house of immediate. >> please welcome vanessa williams. >> am i smiling? i can't tell. >> you are. kathy griffin and i were talking about plastic surgery and she says that basically you can't get along in hollywood without it? >> there is a pressure to stay young and stay in the game. when i was 40 i wanted to maintain the way i looked. >> why would you want to look like somebody else? >> i would rather look like you if i were you. >> that is when i first partook in botox. >> we love it and it is easy. it is needle and you are in and out in less than 20 minutes.

>> the maker of botox cosmetic asked me to be the spokesperson. we are doing these events across the country. talking about the effects and safety but also giving back. we have given $250,000 to dress for success. >> that is good stairty. >> the thing is that you will say that you have had it. >> why lie? >> everybody lies. you think that actresses are not lying? >> i guess that is bha we get paid to do. >> so many lie through their caps. >> it's crazy. i any that also, it doesn't

apply to men as much. >> there is -- but the amount of bow tox going on. it is definitely an issue but something that men want to do. sit not permanent. >> botox is not permanent. but people are getting chin implants or bob jobs. >> if you ever bore children, you get the boob job thing. >> do you trip over your [ bleep ] on the treadmill? >> how old are you? >> 46. they can google it in a second. why lie? >> i started lying about my daughter's age. are you not scared of getting older? >> do i like getting old sner. >> no one likes it. >> i am a little, as the body

gets bigger and what -- your normal routine doesn't work, that is when you get into a panic. your normal routine and you are still getting flabby. >> you are pretty pretty. that is pretty [ bleep ] pretty. >> the pressure is i never felt any pressure. i never grew up with you are a princess. i was a jr. i won the whole thing within six months. i had no idea what was going on. i had no idea of i have got keep an image up. i don't feel the pressure. when you see yourself on screen, you see that five pounds that i can't lose.

>> you were the first black miss america. have we seen it since? >> i don't follow been at leas three or four for sure. if not more. >> do you think that, you know, barack obama's having -- catching a lot of flak from the right wing. >> no one else better to be the first. i mean -- >> he's brilliant. >> he's brilliant. what he's had to face already and it's not even a year yet? not even, you know, going into six months of people shouting in his face in. >> and calling him names. >> calling him names. >> calling him a fascist and -- >> and a communist which is the opposite really. >> and likening him to hitler. it's amazing how passionate and also how very scary for an american to see how divisive it has become. he is the man to do it because he's graceful, he's articulate, he's just -- great class and he's got courage.

>> i always say that he would have never been elected if he didn't have everything he needed. it was like, guess who's coming to dinner where sidmy poitier had everything you could want in a man and that was the only way he would be accented as a black guy, marrying a white girl at that time. it's true in this case, too. >> absolutely. >> more with vanessa williams in a minute.

we are back with singer, actress and former miss america vanessa williams. we were talking about racism in america a little bit. maureen dowd, in one of her columns way back now, couple weeks at this point, talking about how she thought these scurrilous attacks calling obama a racist and people showing up with guns at some of the t.e.a. parties, et cetera, was based on the fact he was black. do you agree with that? >> i unfortunately do. you know? i think that there's a lot of unrest and a lot of people don't want to change. so that -- i think it's based in the fear.

it's always when people act out in that type of anger it's based on fear and it's the fear of change. that's what he promised and what he's trying to do and trying to deliver. a lot of people don't want to change. a lot of people think they're more american if they don't change. things are great. so we're not going to change. we're more american than you are. which is incorrect. >> ridiculous. have you experienced racism? >> absolutely. throughout my life. i mean -- >> at work? >> well, i don't know, because most of my things are auditions so i have no idea what they say behind the scenes. in terms of confrontations and stuff. >> i tell you what they're saying, she's a gorgeous woman. >> but, you know, growing up, of course, been called the "n" word, growing up 234 a prom dentally white neighborhood. >> where did you grow up? >> in west chester. you know? i've been accused of breaking into somebody's car when i was opening my own car door and getting my child's shoe which

was incredible. i've had my kids when they're walking for halloween, one of my daughters was wearing a beautiful queen of hearts dress and a woman behind her said look at the queen of spades. this was in california in a very liberal area. >> nasty people. >> exactly. it happens. >> does it hurt your feelings? >> absolutely. it brings the lion out. makes me want to kill. >> did you turn around and smack that woman? >> my husband at the time had to hold me back. i went to the neighbor who i knew knew this person and i told her. i told her, if anything happens you know it was me. >> when hillary clinton and obama were running in the primaries a lot of lefty people, you know, liberals were saying, i wonder if the country is more sexist or more racist. what do you think? >> oh, boy. >> you're a woman and you're african-american. you're african-american, you're indian-american, you were telling me. >> i did the dna test and we

started breaking down what the background was. it was fascinating. we're all a mixture of things in this country. again, back to who we have leading the country. he's a composite of everybody. you know? >> i thought the country was more racist and -- if anything, i mean, all americans fall into this category but we have people who are sexist and racist in every country. >> i think growing up in new york, okay, it's the south. it's not just the south. >> it's just bad people everywhere and good people everywhere. that's the country. thanks very much for coming on. always a pleasure to see you. thanks, everybody else for coming on and thank you for watching. good night, everybody.

we begin tonight with breaking news in the case of 2-year-old florida girl caylee anthony. in the last hours casey anthony's lawyers taking to the airwaves, blasting newly released state's evidence. their defense -- that somebody else killed caylee. anthony's lawyers are filing motions to drop first-degree murder and aggravated child abuse charges. they want the death penalty taken off the table. this on the heels of 1,000 pages of police documents revealing a major blunder for the state's case. duct tape found wrapped around

caylee's skull contaminated by the fbi. a female lab tech's dna discovered on that piece of duct tape. also, could that hair in casey anthony's truck not show signs of decomposition? that's what the defense is saying. but in another revelation, it is revealed a large stain, the silhouette of a child curled up in a fetal position, found in casey anthony's car trunk. the defense is calling it junk science. they say there is not direct evidence linking casey anthony to her daughter's murder. but how will the anthonys' lawyers explain the 31 days it took to report her child missing and her nights partying around town while little caylee is gone?

>> they got all of their information from me. yet at the same time they're twisting stuff. they've already said they're going to pin this on me if they don't find caylee. >> i believe there's something that's -- i smell it, like, oh my god. there was an overpowering smell of death. >> i forgive whoever has her. i just want her to come home. i just want my baby back. >> she's not a murderer. there's no evidence that casey has ever done any harm to her child. >> i as a mom, i know in my gut there's a feeling as a parent you know certain things about your child. you can feel that connection. and i still have that presence. i know she's alive. my entire life has been taken from me. >> every single one of you, you don't realize what you've done to us, and you don't care. >> i'm frustrated and i'm angry. you don't understand. everybody wants me to have answers. i don't have any answers. i'm not in control over any of this because i don't know what the hell's going on.

mommy loves her very much. she's the most important thing in this entire world to me. >> good evening. i'm jean casarez of the legal network "in session" in for nancy grace tonight. thank you very much for joining us. major developments in the case of 2-year-old florida girl caylee anthony. casey anthony's lawyers fighting to get first-degree murder charges dropped. their defense -- that somebody else killed caylee. >> why didn't you call prior to today? >> fear of the unknown. fear of the potential of caylee getting hurt, of not seeing my daughter again. >> she told us on our visitation, our first day of visitation, that she's protecting the family from physical harm including caylee. >> did you cause any injury to your child, caylee? >> no, sir. >> did you hurt caylee or leave her somewhere and you're worried if we find that out that people are going to look at you the wrong way? >> no, sir. >> from day one you guys were

building a case against casey as a murderer. she's not -- the only thing i know is she loves that child. >> you'll never live up to your mother's expectations, right? >> there's no way i would ever do anything or let any harm come to that child. >> when you say you sympathize and all that kind of stuff, you don't give anything about me. you don't care. >> we have to have hope. if you don't have hope, you don't have faith. and i know you don't have faith. >> shut up. >> no, i'm not shutting up. >> she's the one thing in this world that i love more than anything. >> and out to natisha lance, nancy grace producer on this case from the very beginning. first of all, natisha, let's start from the beginning. what is the defense asking for here? >> well, jean, the defense is asking for the first two counts against casey anthony to be thrown out. so that is the murder charge against her as well as the child abuse charge that is against her. now, they are also asking for the death penalty to be taken off the table. now, the reason that they want these two first counts to be

taken off the table is because they feel that the state does not have enough evidence to prove their case. they're saying there is no evidence that links casey anthony to the crime scene and as far as the death penalty is concerned they're saying there's only one aggravating factor that would apply to casey anthony in this case, and that is that the victim is under the age of 12. and they are saying that is not enough in order to get the death penalty. >> natisha, one of the documents that they attached to their motion to dismiss -- and you're right. the defense is asking for this case to be out and right dismissed, totally, so there is not a criminal case of first-degree murder against casey anthony any longer. they focus in on the hair, that we have heard for months now a hair found in the truck showing signs of decomposition, in the trunk of casey anthony's car. what is the defense saying now based on documents released? >> well, jean, they are saying that this is all circumstantial evidence. and they're calling any test that was done in the trunk of

that car to be junk science. >> all right. and i think they are also basing this motion to defense on some discovery just released saying that the hair cannot absolutely say that the hair is from a decomposing body but it is consistent with a decomposing body. we're going to go more into this later. let's go straight out now to kathi belich with cnn affiliate wftv. another thing the defense is focusing on, even through their family attorney, has to do with duct tape. explain. >> that's right. they are really releasing some documents that are state documents before the state released them. and one of them talks about how microscopically the duct tape that was found stretched across caylee's mouth was dissimilar to the duct tape found on the gas can. now, that's microscopically speaking, which simply means they look different. and you have to remember that the duct tape stretched across

caylee's mouth was facing the elements for months and the florida heat. so of course they would look different. and you might remember the fbi tested the adhesive on both pieces of tape, said they were chemically the same and that those two pieces of duct tape could have come from the same roll. you just mentioned the information that they've just released concerning the hair. that test that they were talking about a couple days ago was actually done early august. it was after that that more tests were done on that hair. and then it was concluded that the hair did show signs of decomposition. so that test came before other tests. the tests are coming to us out of order. you can't read too much into that. >> very good information to find out. now, kathi belich, you and your station also did your own comparison for one of your news stories in the local orlando area about duct tape and duct tape being found on posters when caylee was still a missing person. >> that's right. there was a new focus this week on duct tape. we went back and looked at some

of the video we have shot over the months. we looked back at signs that were posted in the anthony's home and caylee posters. we found duct tape on a caylee poster from july 20th of last year, just days after casey was arrested and a month after caylee disappeared. and that duct tape appears to have the same distinct markings on it that you can clearly see on the duct tape that was found on the anthonys' gas can. namely, it has a logo for the company henkel that was the manufacturer and even some specifications concerning temperature on the tape. you can see that on the tape that was found on the caylee poster that the anthonys had put up early in the days of the search for caylee. our legal analyst believes that that is one more piece of evidence, one more piece of duct tape that's similar, that would point to all of them coming from the same roll as a very rare type of duct tape that isn't manufactured anymore, hasn't been for years, and it's a rare

industrial tape. >> all right. we are taking your calls live tonight. kathi, i want to go through this with a fine-toothed comb. the duct tape is from a manufacturer i believe called henkel company, and actually a logo of the henkel company was found on the duct tape? >> that's absolutely right. the logo, it's sort of a black oval logo with a company name on it, and then there's more printing on the tape that it's specifications of a temperature, max temperature 200 degrees fahrenheit. and documents that were previously released to us show that fbi investigators found that same logo also on the tape that was found stretched across caylee's mouth. we understand there are fbi photographs that clearly show that logo. they apparently were provided to the defense months ago in march. the defense has had those photographs since march. and they should be about to be released to us sometime soon. >> kathi, if this duct tape

hasn't been available for years, can you purchase it anywhere in the orlando area? >> i'm not sure if you can purchase it still in the orlando area. the home depot did not sell it. lowe's did sell it. but i believe there were only about 100,000 rolls that were sold across north america. it's a fairly rare duct tape. it's an industrial duct tape. and the fact that three pieces now have been found connected to the anthony family just increases the chances as the fbi said that it's likely those two pieces have come from the same roll. >> seems to me more investigation needs to be done on that. let's go out to the attorneys, susan moss advocate family attorney out of new york, joey jackson defense attorney out of new york. midwin charles defense attorney out of new york also. to susan moss, you know the defense has a point here. they are saying there's just not enough evidence here, you don't have fingerprints, you don't have fiber evidence, you don't have any forensics that match casey anthony, herself, with the crime.

play devil's advocate with me. why shouldn't this case be dismissed? >> absolutely not. even the circumstantial evidence in this case is enough to convict her. 31 days she doesn't tell anyone that this child is missing. and how about the zenaida charade-a? i mean, how can forget the smell of death in her own car? now they're coming out and saying oh, it wasn't the smell of death, it was apparently death-scented pizza? come on, that's absolutely ridiculous. how about her computer searches for chloroform and other ways to kill a child? when you put together the whole package, even without the science, and that science is good, even without the science there's a conviction. >> you know, susan moss, i want to tell you, as an attorney and with court tv covering so many cases for many years, i've covered many death penalty cases that are circumstantial cases and guess what? there is a conviction. one that stands out in my mind is the scott peterson case in california. we all remember that case, right? that was a circumstantial case. you know what? there was one piece of direct

evidence, one piece. and it was in the boat. and it was those pliers that had the sharpened points on them and it had a hair of his wife that was found murdered. he was ultimately convicted on that. but joey jackson, defense attorney, your thoughts on this? because the defense asking for this case to be dismissed. >> well, what'll happen, jean, is this. there's no question about the fact that the discovery of information that they have is going to help them. it's going to help them substantially. but it is certainly not going to lead to the dismissal of the case. but they are going to play it up big in front of the jury.

i have a 3-year-old that's been missing for a month. >> a 3-year-old? >> yes. >> have you reported that? >> i'm trying to do that now, ma'am. >> there's absolutely nothing to find out. not even what i told the detectives. >> well, you know, everything that you're telling them is a lie. >> i have no clue where caylee is. if i knew where caylee was do you think any of this would be happening? no. >> we're talking about a 3-year-old little girl. i need to find her. i don't know what your involvement is, sweetheart. you're not telling me where she's at. >> because i don't [ bleep ] know where she's at. are you kidding me? >> i love her and i support her, and that i understand, and every day that goes by i know exactly how hard it is that she's giving up her life to protect her child. my daughter may have some mistruths out there or half truths but she is not a murderer. there's no evidence that casey has ever done any harm to her

child. >> i as a mom, i know in my gut the feeling as a parent, you know certain things about your child. you can feel that connection. and i still have that feeling. >> what she told me and what i found out was two different things. i don't know casey's reasons for telling me except that what she's told me. she told me she was protecting caylee and she's protecting the family. and until this day i still believe that she's protecting caylee and the family. i'm jean casarez of the legal network "in session" in for nancy grace. let's go out to jada in new york. are you there, jada? >> caller: yes, i am. >> hi. what's your question? >> caller: yes. i've been watching the case and everything from the beginning. and i heard about the stain in the trunk in the shape of a child in the fetal position. >> yes. okay. so you want to know more about that? >> caller: yes. my question is since the defense is trying to argue that it could be any -- you know, anything, my

question would be is when it does go to trial, is it as evidence? would they be able to get a child to lay like, you know, in the silhouette so they can see that it is a child? is that something they would be able to do? >> that's a great question. midwin charles, defense attorney, it just came out that investigators believe through visual examination that they can see a silhouette of an outline of a child in a fetal position in the trunk of casey anthony's car. number one, can that come into evidence? and number two, could the prosecution do a type of experiment showing what a child that age would look like in a fetal position to match the silhouette they say is in the car? >> i'm sure that they can do that. the problem is whether or not it would be convincing to a jury. i mean, that's one of the things we're always trying to work with here, is whether or not the evidence presented to the jury is substantial enough that they would have no reasonable doubt. and right now you've got a lot of circumstantial evidence but

no direct evidence. >> and that is one of the big issues. want to go out to dr. marty makary, physician and professor of public health out of johns hopkins university. you know this hair that we have been hearing about for months in the trunk of casey anthony's car, extremely important forensic evidence. well, what the discovery documents say is that they cannot conclusively say it's a hair of decomposition but is consistent with decomposition. now, as i travel around the country and am in courtrooms, what i hear is that 10 out of 12 markers are consistent with the dna of the defendant. that's a word we hear. can you ever conclusively say something is just so? >> well, most of the time. but most of the time you've got multiple hair cells to make this highly certain diagnosis again and again and again. and with every additional hair cell, that certainty goes up tenfold. the problem is in this case there's one hair cell and we're

told that that hair does not definitively fall under the category of hair that comes from a decomposed person. you know, usually a hair's a treasure trove of information, but sometimes it can be a little ambiguous. >> all right. if a hair is consistent with decomposition in a trunk that has air samples which shows the presence of decomposition, does that give it more strength? >> certainly gives it more strength. you know, not much will give you air samples of decomposition. the body gives off unique chemicals, molecules that become airborne. and those samples really only mean one thing. it means there's a decomposed human being. it doesn't mean there's food or other things bacteria has grown on. it means there's a human being there. >> all right. that evidence is not being attacked by the defense right here. let's go out to patricia in maryland. hi, patricia. good evening. >> caller: hi. how are you? >> i'm fine. >> caller: my question is about this duct tape that's been messed with in the lab.

what happened with that? i mean -- >> that's a great question. let's go to natisha lance, nancy grace producer. talk to us about the duct tape that fingerprints were found on but it happened to be a lab technician, right? investigator. talk to us about that. >> well, actually, jean, it was a hair that was found on there that belonged to this lab technician. so this duct tape has been contaminated. now, there is also a test -- remember there was that residue from a heart-shaped sticker that was on that duct tape. they apparently did a test for fingerprinting on the duct tape and now that residue from that heart-shaped sticker is gone.

can someone let me -- come on! >> casey, hold on, sweetheart. settle down. >> nobody's letting me speak. >> i still believe my daughter. >> i believe in my daughter. >> i already answered this question. >> and you believe she was fabricating -- >> i already answered the question. i'm not answering it again.

>> do you have any interest in helping us? >> i've had interest in helping law enforcement from the beginning. unfortunately, my hands were literally tied and i was put in a position where someone was trying to trick a confession out of me and that's not going to happen. >> casey's lied to me in the past, and when she's lied she's told me the truth. we've always gotten to the bottom of the truth. >> i'm jean casarez of the legal network "in session" in for nancy grace tonight. over 1,000 documents have been released in discovery in the casey anthony case. the defense now has filed two motions. one to dismiss this case outright. they say somebody else killed caylee anthony. and they've also asked for the death penalty to be taken off the table. i want to go to woodrow tripp, former police commander out of atlanta, georgia. it is so true, as our last caller said, that the duct tape that was found on the skeletal

remains had forensic evidence from actually one of the crime scene investigators out of tampa that was at the scene. what does this do to the state's forensic case? >> it definitely, absolutely completely confuses if not totally throws that part of the dna evidence out. >> but isn't there a positive in all of this? they know who that forensic evidence belongs to. it belongs to a crime scene investigator out of tampa that was at the scene. if they weren't able to find out who it was from, it would be this unknown that the defense could go to to say this may be the person that put the duct tape around and therefore murdered caylee anthony. isn't that a positive, though? >> it's a positive in the sense that, yes, they were able to rule out who it was. the negative in this is that that was the only hair. so at this point they're back to zero. >> all right. to lisa in california. hi, lisa. thanks for calling. >> caller: hi. >> hi.

what's your question? >> caller: my question is if casey's mom says that she smelled something in the trunk don't you think she would have gone out to, like, open the trunk and investigated the smell? >> all right. that's a very good question. to marc klaas, president and founder of klaaskids foundation, child advocate. you know, marc, lisa brings us back to the very basics in this case. the family smelled signs of decomposition.

if you think of anything that can help, don't be afraid. >> oh, i won't hesitate to let you guys know. >> being forthcoming and being truthful are two completely separate things. >> did y'all think she was being forthcoming? >> as far as anything else at the moment, there's either nothing that i can obviously give to you now or, you know, there really honestly isn't anything i can think of at this exact moment. >> it's felt to me that there was reluctance. >> i can only do so much from where i'm at. and i want to do so much more, but i can't. >> i don't want you to, you know, feel for any reason that, you know, we're not on your side

about anything, because we are about everything. we're completely behind you. >> oh, i know. >> i just don't know if i can believe what she's saying. you know? >> where are you? we need to meet up. you know, we need to make this happen. >> and what did she say? >> i'm in jacksonville. i said no, you're not. you're here. you know? >> if you'd have told the truth and not lied about everything -- >> how come she never got a chance to get the car? it doesn't make sense. >> mom. >> i trust casey. >> i know my daughter's not leveling with me. and i know this is what she's done in the past. >> all i want is caylee home. but i want to be there when she comes home. >> you know, i've got to believe her that she knows where -- everything is okay. >> i'm jean casarez of the legal network "in session" in for nancy grace. we want to show everybody right here, these are the 1,000 pages of documents that have just come out most recently in discovery. and because of these pages of documents the defense has

concluded that casey anthony did not kill her own daughter. so they have filed a motion to dismiss, saying this court should not entertain this case because there is no direct evidence showing that casey anthony killed caylee. i want to go out to marc klaas, president and founder of klaaskids foundation out of san francisco, california. marc, when you hear all of this and the defense attorneys were on all of the morning shows today talking about this, what are your thoughts? >> well, you know, the defense attorneys have told us time and time again that this case is going to be adjudicated in the courtroom and not on the tv. so it's kind of ironic that they have gone on to this offensive today. and i think it's probably a desperation move. and i also believe that if casey anthony were my client i'd probably be pretty desperate too. but you know, going back to the beginning, as your previous caller had done with the trunk, everything up until the forensics points directly at

casey and really at nobody else despite every attempt that the family has made to point the finger at other people. >> to patricia saunders, clinical psychologist out of new york. you know, marc klaas makes a very good point. the defense has always said we want to try this in the courtroom, we don't want to try this in the court of public opinion. and one thing they said in their motion and they said on some of the news shows today is that casey anthony has very compelling reasons for what she did when she did it after her daughter went missing and it will come out in a trial. and that has to do with not reporting to authorities for 31 days her child was missing, the fact that it's documented that she was partying, that she got a tattoo on her back, "vita bella," good life. how is the defense going to explain compelling reasons for doing all this? >> you sure got me on that one, jean. i don't have a clue. but i think the defense is doing what defense attorneys do. and the anthonys are doing what desperate parents do. and that's to take different

slices of facts, different slices of reality, and try and shift people's understanding of it. it's like propaganda. people can put out all kinds of wild, bizarre, or a little different statements and hope someone on the jury is going to believe them. >> to leonard padilla, bounty hunter, who has been a part of this case for a long time, you know, it sure does help the prosecution to have direct evidence, but circumstantial cases can be actually even stronger than direct evidence cases. when you look at the direct evidence, though, in this case, can you find any, and what do you think is the closest to that that the prosecution will hang its hat on? >> well, i think they've got enough. i've been around hundreds of these cases that had less direct evidence than this one's got. but you have to look at it in the totality. you can't just look at one item where a lab technician messed up and want to excuse the rest of the case or get it dismissed. it's just not going to happen

that way. when those lab technicians get up on that stand, you take a fellow like todd, this is his first criminal defense case, he's never done a criminal case. that's why he makes these statements about, well, i want to get this dismissed because it's junk technology and all that. no, it's not. those lab technicians are very practiced. they're very methodical when they testify. and you don't realize that you're listening to information that is coming -- in a sense it's direct information. when they put it out on evidence. when they testify, believe me, it doesn't sound like it's forensics. it sounds like they were there and they saw it and they're testifying to that. >> you know, leonard padilla -- >> the jury's going to believe them. >> -- what you are talking about right here is an extremely important point, and it is called the weight of the evidence. that the jury is allowed to hear all of the evidence and they themselves weigh the evidence. susan moss, your thoughts? >> absolutely. even if mark fuhrman was the fbi

investigator on this case, they're still going to get a conviction. and the reason for that is the science is real. and even if you throw away some of the evidence that's been contaminated, the duct tape, et cetera, you still have the chloroform in that car belonging to casey. it's her car. she was the only one using it. you still have those computer searches. you still have the fact that these -- all these pictures of her gallivanting all around when her daughter is missing. you can't explain that away and a jury is not going to buy any explanation. >> to joey jackson, defense attorney, obviously this is your show tonight because we're talking about the defense motions and what they have. but when you look at the trunk of that car, that was casey anthony's car. she had the control of that car. she had the do main of that car. in fact, her boyfriend even described to police the last time she drove her car and just abandoned it and then it was later towed to a tow yard. how do you get over the fact she

had the compete control and authority of that vehicle? >> she did indeed, jean, but at the end of the day we don't want to base the case on duct tape and silhouettes and if the prosecution is doing that certainly they have a tough row to hoe. the reality is you ask questions about why the defense is on tv and they're stating their case. you want to even the playing field. and to the extent that they now can contaminate the jury pool in their favor by indicating look, we have this evidence out here but it's circumstantial, look at the direct evidence and what the defense is going to do, jean, they're going to say we have to base this case on direct evidence. where is it? it's all circumstantial. why didn't she report it within 30 days? she panicked. why was she out partying? she was in denial. so they're going to attempt to explain it that way. >> to midwin charles, defense attorney, you know, i've read the motions and one thing i think the defense is really trying to do here, they want to get the death penalty out of this case. agree? >> absolutely. and i think it's one of the best things they can do. i mean, as joey said, there's no direct evidence here. so what are you going to do as a defense attorney? you're going to represent your client zealously.

you're going to do what you can to ensure you throw out that death penalty case. because right now that is really the toughest thing that she's facing. >> and the lead attorney as far as death penalty in this case is andrea lyon. she comes out of illinois. she was not on any of the talk shows this morning. she's a death penalty lawyer. i'm in the middle of reading her book right now. she has never lost a case at the death penalty in regard to the jury asking for death penalty. of course, illinois is different from florida. let's go to stacy in canada. good evening, stacy. >> caller: hi. good evening. how are you? >> hi. your question? >> caller: i love your show. i'd like to know where this nanny is -- where she is and when she left the child with this lady how long has -- when did she leave the child with this lady? >> okay. good question. kathi belich, cnn affiliate wftv. kathi, let's go back to the beginning.

talk to us about this nanny. because those were the first words out of casey anthony's mouth when she spoke with investigators. >> that's right. she told them she dropped caylee off with the nanny on june 16th. it was the day after father's day. it was a monday. she said she dropped her off with a nanny at the sawgrass apartments, that her name is zenaida gonzalez. and no one -- that's a good question, where is she, who is she, because no one knows the answer to that question. and at the anthonys' attorney's news conference the other day he claims the family is now focused on puerto rico looking for this zenaida gonzalez. but it's been more than a year, and nobody can produce this woman who was allegedly casey anthony's nanny. >> and to bounty hunter leonard padilla, you were in the home for a long time. did they talk about the nanny? did they talk about zenaida gonzalez or zenaida fernandez gonzalez? >> yes, they did. cindy came to me and said she wants to talk to you. we sat there, and cindy says here's what happened, she took

the baby away from her at the jay blanchard park, her and her sister, samantha, they had the two kids and they put the child, caylee, in a silver ford focus. this is all bunk. she came up with that information on the 17th, when zenaida fernandez gonzalez was at the sawgrass apartments looking for an apartment, trying to get away from a bad marriage and she put that she only had two kids and she was driving a silver kia that looks like a ford focus. she's making it all up, and the whole family's going with it.

911. what's your emergency? >> i called a little bit ago. the deputy sheriff. i found out my granddaughter has been taken. she has been missing for a month. i felt rotten, whatever it was. something decomposing in there. >> the trunk was open, the windows were rolled down to what i assume ventilate the horrible smell. whatever it was, it was very potent. >> the smell that i smelled inside that car was the smell of decomposition. >> there's no evidence that casey has ever done any harm to her child. she lived with me for three

years. i've never seen anything. >> i got a sick feeling for a second because the car that was all closed up, and from me to you away from it, and you could smell an odor. you don't forget that odor, no matter what it is. you never, ever forget it. >> caylee is not dead. >> in my gut she's still okay, and it still feels like she is close to home. >> i'm jean casarez of the legal network "in session" in for nancy grace tonight. very, very big news for the casey anthony case. the defense is saying based on the release of the latest documents there is not direct evidence linking casey anthony to the murder of her daughter caylee, the forensics just aren't there, therefore, the case should be dismissed. this is going to be part of a very big hearing in the short term. to kathi belich with cnn affiliate wftv in orlando, florida. you have been on this case. you are there in orlando. we have no indication that forensic evidence testing has concluded, right? i mean, this is a huge case with many pieces of evidence. there may still not be things that the prosecutors know that we don't know.

>> there might be a lot of those things. a good example is the photographs of the duct tape that was stretched across caylee's mouth. the defense has had that since march. we still haven't gotten it ourselves. and for all we know testing is still ongoing in this case. this is a very complicated case. you see how all of those fbi agents who were working that duct tape were tested for dna just to find out whose hair that was they had found, or whatever the dna was on that -- on that duct tape. i mean, this is just a very complicated case, and there might still be things that even the investigators don't know yet. >> it truly is. the thousands of documents that we already have. to natisha lance, nancy grace producer. i want to focus on this duct tape again. and brad conway has come out -- i don't believe the discovery is in the hands of the public yet, but he is saying that the fabric of the duct tape found on the remains of caylee does not match any duct tape on any gas can or anything that is in the possession of the anthony family. but here's my question.

shouldn't prosecutors and investigators be looking for where you could buy it and if it has a very small -- or if it could be purchased on the internet, if there are any computer records that show a purchase of something like that, right? >> that's right, jean. and actually, that is what prosecutors did. they did exactly that thing. and what they were able to find out from the henkel company is that 134,000 rolls were sold in 2006 and 2007. now, that brand is a rare brand. it's called fireguard duck. there's not very many that are sold. it's about less than 1% of all the duct tape sales that happened from about 2002 through 2007 constitute this duct tape brand. and also, jean, the odds of having these two pieces of duct tape randomly in the same area, the odds are about 250,000 to 1. so prosecutors are using this. this is something that they probably are going to bring up

during their case. and those are pretty high odds. >> and there's the logo right there. the henkel logo right there. and the question i have, and you probably don't know the answer. i don't think anyone does. but it's so rare. can it be purchased in orlando? if so, where? if so, how close is that to the home? if so, was anyone from the family or casey anthony ever in that store? i mean, those are questions we still have in this case that we don't know the answers to. joy in tennessee. thanks for hanging on, joy. good evening. >> caller: hi. how are you? >> i'm fine. what's your question? >> caller: actually, i had a two-part question. first of all, casey, they explain it as ugly coping, the 31 days that caylee was missing she's supposedly looking for her. >> okay. >> caller: and she blames it on, you know, zenaida. so that proves zenaida is not -- so there she's caught in a lie. and also, her mother says i think she's protecting us, protecting the family.

okay. well, caylee's already passed away. her mother and father are out on their own. she's in jail. who's she protecting them from? >> okay. in other words, who is protecting caylee right now i think is your question. the victim in all this. let's go out to leonard padilla. the first question was that casey anthony said in the 31 days she didn't report her daughter missing, she was looking for her. did you hear any conversation about that in the home? >> you know, when we were in the home we never, ever discussed let's go out and look for her, let's go see where she's at, let's go do anything. no. but i will tell you this. in hindsight i'm going to tell you the whole family is delusional. they follow cindy's lead. she makes up a lie, and the next thing is everybody's following it. and the reason they don't bring kronk into the middle of this whole thing is because they are afraid what they might have to reveal as what was overheard by kronk, what kronk knows, how he got his information where the

body was, and jose baez, himself, is concerned about that. he cannot say, well, this is what happened. casey told me the body was at such and such a place and somehow kronk got that information because it was overheard by somebody in the jail. so -- >> patricia saunders -- they're all delusional. >> all right. got your point. thank you. patricia saunders, we've got just a few seconds. but everyone is protecting casey anthony. who's protecting caylee tonight? >> the prosecution is protecting her. >> all right. and tonight we now have "cnn heroes." >> this is "cnn heroes." >> hello. i'm john legend. during last year's "cnn heroes: an all-star tribute" i had the honor of performing and helping to recognize the great works of everyday citizens changing the world. as founder of the show me campaign, which seeks an end to global poverty, i am thrilled to be able to help cnn introduce one of this year's top ten

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>> are now a look back at the stories making headlines this week. >> when did you last see her? >> she was sleeping. >> tell us the truth. >> he is gone. she left town. >> misty croslin has been found. >> she was on a trip to the amusement park. she was at universal studios with a friend. >> she doesn't want to speak with police. >> i have nothing to do with it. if i knew request where she was,

we wouldn't be sitting here. >> 30 years hiding out in luxury in europe, a hollywood superstar finally behind bars. >> there is a disturbing yet growing defense of home an polanski. martin scorcese. >> shame, shame, shame on them! >> i heard a loud beating at the door. please help me. >> searching for this missing newborn from tennessee. >> the suspect, a woman. knocked on the door and the mother, maria, answered the door. >> the woman began to hit her and pulled out a knife and began to stab her. >> she was covered from blood from her head to her toes. >> if you said her remains one more time i will walk out the door. how dare you say that about my granddaughter. >> high tech testing reveals the outline of a child curled up in the fetal position discovered in

tot mom's car. >> it was in the trunk of my daughter's car. i opened up the trunk and instantly that gets in your house just like that. >> tonight let us stop to remember marine staff sergeant daniel hansen, 24 years old from tracy, california. from a family of military vets who also served in afghanistan. as a presidential guard at camp david, he was awarded the purple heart. he loved sports and mixed martial arts and writing short stories. he leaves his parents, dell bert and cheryl, two sister, one serving in the army. twin brother and best friend matthew who is serving in the marines and fiance, emily. daniel hansen, an american hero. thank you so much to all of our guests and to you at home for being with us.

see you tomorrow night at 8:00 sharp eastern. good night, everybody. i'm aj hammer in new york. here's some of what we are covering for friday night at the top of the hour. the david letterman sex extortion shocker. new late breaking developments today after letterman's incredible on air confession that he had sex with women who worked for him. could letterman get fired over this? a brand-new star war over roman polanski. kirstie alley's rant against him. chris rock comparing roman to o.j. simpson. the roman star outrage. today's brand-new jon and kate bombshell. the fallout after job gosselin goes on "larry king live" and opens up about everything. the woman who got so mad at her husband, she fried his pet

goldfish and it too. nice. >> at the top of the hour here on hln.