breaking news tonight. satsuma, florida, a 5-year-old little girl tucked into bed. five hours later, she's gone. vanished. the back door propped wide open. daddy comes home from the night shift to find not a trace of little haleigh. the last person to see the 5-year-old alive that night? new stepmother, misty croslin. bombshell tonight, after croslin skips town following a bitter fight with haleigh's father,

ronald cummings. tonight, police locate croslin. as we go to air we find she refuses to take to police who want her requestioned about haley's disappearance. police surveillance on croslin. they say she won't give straight answers or account for crucial hours surrounding the alleged kidnap. in the last hours, croslin's mother in a tennessee courtroom on felony forgery. out of florida. bond, wants a whopping $100,000. no bond. she's already publicly stated crosiln hasn't come clean about the night haleigh vanishes. what else will she tell police now that she's behind bars? croslin's brother confesses in his own jailhouse interrogation. he goes to haleigh's house the night she goes missing, pounds on the door, nobody home.

in a nother development, a woman caught on grainy surveillance video delivers a detailed tip as to haleigh's location. police investigate. and we have the video. where, where, was new stepmother misty crosiln during the crucial hours when haleigh goes missing? and tonight where is haleigh? days of speculation ended. misty croslin has been found. why did she go away. what does she know? >> she was on a foray to an amusement park. at universal with a friend, seen wearing a haleigh pendant around her neck. >> police know where to find

misty. misty doesn't want to speak with police. >> if people think i had something to do with it or i knew where she was, i wouldn't be sitting here today we would have her. >> a tip letter surfaces that gives specific directions to an alleged burial site where haleigh's body scan be found. yards from haleigh's home. stuffed in a garbage bag. >> the letter isn't very long, a paragraph that ends with someone's initials. more than seven months after she disappeared it could contain information to help crack the case. >> you never know when the one is going to come in that will make the case. this scud be it. >> mist year's mother, lisa croslin may be questioned again by authorities. why? and where is the investigation headed in the desperate attempt to find out what exactly happened to little haleigh. >> i have faith in god. to take care of my baby girl, finding her. i don't care who had something to do with it. those are the people who need to be put away.

a 4 day old baby boy snatched by a woman posing as immigration. mommy answers the front door to be stabbed repeatedly. tonight, mommy makes a desperate plea from the hospital. to find her tiny boy. >> i heard a loud beating at the door. "please help me." >> federal agents and nashville police are searching for this missing newborn from tennessee. 4-day-old yair anthony carillo was report lead ripped from his mother's arms. >> the woman is covered with blood from her head to her toes. >> she said a woman showed up at her house posing as an immigration agent. the woman demanded her baby and then stabbed her when she refused to hand him over. >> when ms. carrillo said "who are you?"

a struggle ensued. she was stabbed several times. >> she been slashed across the throat. >> perhaps this individual was obsessed with children. perhaps this individual had claimed to be pregnant for a long period of time but never was pregnant. this person has to have friends or family who know some peculiarity about them. also, after 30 years hiding out in luxury in europe, a hollywood superstar finally behind bars. 30 years ago he admits to raping a 13-year-old little girl at the home of movie star jack nicholson. that little girl testified under oath he also forced anal sodomy on her. she was just 13. tonight, hollywood superstars coming out of the woodwork for polanski's release. they're, quote, shocked. they're shocked. well, they're not shocked he raped and sodomized a 13-year-old little girl, a girl he got drunk on champagne and quaaludes. no.

they're shocked he's arrested. shame on hollywood. tonight polanski behind bars. lady justice comes through, thank heaven, better late than never. there is a disturbing yet growing defense of roman polanski in this country. and it's coming from hollywood. a look at the list of high-profile people who are defending this superstar director. martin scorsese, woody allen, debra winger. >> we hope today this latest order will be dropped. it is based on a three-decade-old case that is all but dead except for a minor technicality. >> this is for me a shock, and i'm ashamed to be swiss, that swiss is doing such a thing to a brilliant, fantastic genius. >> evidence shows that he got a

little girl drunk, he gave a little girl drugs, he sodomized a little girl. >> he wanted to take some pictures in the hot tub. i was in there topless. then he got in the hot tub. that progressed to, you know, eventually why don't you come in here and lay down? into a very dark room. and that's when i really realized what his intentions were. >> she was 13. he was 43. he gave her champagne and a quaalude. she said no. he still went ahead and had unlawful sexual intercourse with her many different ways. >> despite that polanski continues to receive support from hollywood. good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. new stepmother misty croslin skips town after a bitter fight with haleigh's father, ronald cummings. tonight, police track her down. >> i'm just trying to do everything to find her. you know, answer any questions i have to. because i know i didn't do anything with -- to that little girl. i would never hurt her.

>> cops say they're keeping a close watch on the last person to see haleigh alive. misty croslin. but misty has a lawyer and doesn't want to speak with police. >> i've thought all along that she had something to do with it. and now this kind of just proves it. i mean, she's the last one to see our daughter, and her stories just don't add up. >> misty croslin left haleigh's dad, ronald cummings, for days. where did she go, and why did she just come back? >> she was a 16-year-old child whose job was to look after somebody else's two young children. and i can only imagine that this girl would want to get out and have some fun of some kind. >> this as authorities plan to question misty's mom, lisa croslin, with regard to haleigh's disappearance. as early as this week. but why? >> this mother, remember, came out against misty and said that she believed that her son was telling the truth and that misty was not. maybe they want to put her in jail so they can ask tough questions about why she came to such a conclusion.

>> it's one paragraph long, typed, and has three letters at the bottom that resemble initials. >> if the information is accurate it's going to be pretty volatile. >> if they go out and look for the right person, maybe they would have the answers. they're trying to get all the answers from me that i don't have. >> straight out to t.j. hart, program and news director wsky, 97.3. t.j., thank you for being with us. t.j., how long was she actually gone? >> she was gone for the better part of a week. about six to eight days off and on. but she'd been in contact with her family and she's been accounted for. >> and t.j., why is she still refusing to talk to cops? they have told her they want to re-question her about the night haleigh goes missing. >> she has a standing invitation according to major bolling and

others at the putnam county sheriff's office to come in anytime she wishes, come in and straighten out that timeline. her attorney has not made an offer to bring her in for questioning and she has not gone in since the last time she went in for questioning for a week. >> we are taking your calls. lakisha. indiana. hi, lakisha. >> caller: hi, nancy. i watch you every night. >> thank you. and thank you for calling in. what's your question, dear? >> caller: you're welcome, sweetheart. i was just wondering where is misty cummings tonight and if she's been in touch with ronald since she's been gone all this time? >> marlaina schiavo, what about it? >> misty is in the satsuma area. actually tonight she was with teresa's -- excuse me, she's with ronald's mother, teresa. >> now, when you say she's in the satsuma area, is she back in the home with haleigh's father, ronald cummings? >> yes. she lives in the home. she's back in the home with

ronald at ronald's grandmother's. >> so you're telling me they're together? >> that's what i'm being told, nancy. >> so marlaina, after all this time where had she been? i know she doesn't have a job. ronald cummings has put so much effort into trying to find his missing 5-year-old daughter he has been let go from his job. how does she manage to stay down at disney world for a week in orlando, living it up at epcot? you know how much those tickets cost to get in? >> i do, nancy. and you know, she was with somebody. we don't know who she was with. we're told she was with a friend. but when i spoke to teresa, she said that those -- that the money and -- that went into this trip was paid for by someone she knows. so it was coming from somebody else. it wasn't coming from misty's funds. >> joining me right now is a special guest. teresa neves is with us tonight. this is haleigh's grandmother. miss neves, thank you for being with us. you have supported croslin from the get-go. why won't she speak to police tonight?

>> miss nancy, that is a decision made by her attorney. she has gone in several times voluntarily, against his wish. i guess she is waiting on him to say yes, let's do this.

what's her date of birth? >> i'm going to [ bleep ] kill somebody. >> okay. tell him we understand. we need to get her date of birth. >> what's her date of birth? >> [ bleep ], we need to find her. >> somebody stole my child out of my bed. i come home from work, and my child was not there. >> i put her to bed and -- about 8:00. and i woke up and she was gone. and the back door was wide open. >> do you believe that misty was indeed home and that she's been telling the truth? >> yeah, i believe she's telling the truth. >> she is still the most important witness in this case. she's the last person to see the children. she was with them.

she's an important person to be spoken to. >> they haven't left me alone for six months. i've been the one, the main focus. they just need to move on and look for the right person. >> the officers are going to come out there and do what they can. we can't have him screaming and yelling at the officers whenever they get there. okay? >> uh-huh. >> i got better people to talk to than a [ bleep ] [ bleep ] who ain't coming. >> why are you so sure haleigh is still with us? >> because i stand on god's promise that if you pray and believe that he will give you what you pray for. >> joining us right now is haleigh's grandmother. you just saw her. teresa neves. miss neves, does croslin, misty croslin, haleigh's stepmother, realize the firestorm she created by dropping out of sight for all these days in the midst of the search for haleigh? >> i do not think so, miss nancy. i don't think anyone thought that it would be that big a deal. there were arrangements made for her and ronald to do something with junior. those arrangements had to be

changed, and misty just continued on with those plans without ronald and junior. >> then why couldn't anyone seem to tell us exactly where she was during that time? >> i don't know why anyone couldn't tell you that, because i could tell you. >> really? there were so many conflicting reports about where she had been. miss neves, again, you are stating that you believe she's waiting for the okay from her lawyer to talk to police. >> yes, ma'am. >> okay. in light of the fact that her new stepchild, her little girl is missing and police want to talk to her, hopefully to clear up questions and find the child, don't you think she should be at

the police station right now instead of waiting for a possible call from a lawyer? >> my personal opinion, that attorney should have made this trip six months ago. but i cannot tell that attorney how to do his job. >> but you can. i mean, she is with you. she is with you and ronald at your home. you can. you and ronald can talk to her. >> yes, ma'am, we can. and we have. but we cannot make her attorney do anything. >> miss neves, she said at one juncture that she believes up to four people were in the home the night haleigh went missing but then chalked it up to a dreamlike interlude that she had. what does she say about that? who were the people in the home that evening? >> miss nancy, i have not seen that. i have asked her about it. she says that that did not happen. you know, if i haven't seen it and i can't prove it, then i can't actually confront her with

something that she says did not happen. >> miss neves, i don't mean to grill you, but it just doesn't all fit together. you've got her brother claiming he came to the home that evening at 9:30 to 9:45. she said she didn't go to sleep until 10:00 p.m. he says he banged on the door to get in touch with her and nobody came. how does she respond to that? was she really home? >> she still stands firm on the fact that she was at home. to me it's a very dysfunctional family, and that's the best way i can describe that. one minute they -- you know, they say one thing, and then the next minute they call and say, well, i was sorry, you know, i didn't mean to say that and we'll do better next time. so i just don't know what to think of the whole thing. >> we are taking your calls live. to valerie in canada. hi, valerie. >> caller: hi, nancy, how are you tonight? >> i'm good, dear, thank you for calling in. what's your question? >> caller: i'm just curious. do you think that perhaps

haleigh's kidnapping could be some form of retaliation to perhaps money that misty may have been owing to the people she was allegedly partying with that weekend and -- >> good question. we know that misty croslin was a-wol for three days prior, the three days just before the little girl goes missing. let's unleash the lawyers. susan moss, child advocate new york. renee rockwell, defense attorney atlanta. paul batista, renowned defense attorney, author of "death's witness." joining us from new york. renee rockwell, that only happens in the movies. all right? you don't steal somebody's child to get, for instance, a drug debt back. if they want money out of you, they come and break your knees. they chase you down and beat you up. that's how that works. would you agree or disagree? >> well, nancy, i do agree that that is a fantastic explanation as to where the child is. but when you're fooling around with drugs and you have people potentially taking drugs or drugs lying around, it's very easy to imagine that something

may have gone amiss --

the suspect, a woman, knocked heavily on the door. the mother, maria garillo, came does -- and answered the door. >> she told us the woman came to her door and said she was immigration and she was going to arrest her. and she asked her to identify herself, and the woman began to hit her and pulled out a knife and began to stab her. >> covered from blood to her head all the way down to her toes. >> she suffered nine stab wounds. >> got big holes in her neck

from being stabbed. she then slashed across the throat. >> she was able to get out of the house and run across the street for help. and when she returned the baby was gone. >> she kept saying they're after me. i said we got you right here. you don't have to worry about them after you no more. >> an amber alert has been issued for missing yair carillo. >> who could stab new mom and take a 5-day-old baby like this. >> straight out to mark stewart with wsmz. a mother answers the door to whom she thinks is an immigration agent. the woman, the assailant is a woman? that's highly unusual, mark. who stabs the mother repeatedly. the face, the chest, the breast, all over her body. and snatches the 4-day-old baby? >> nancy, that does seem perhaps

unlikely, but it's the only theory at least publicly that police are talking about. they say perhaps this woman knew that maria had just given birth to a son and perhaps followed her, targeted her, wanted a child herself and perhaps orchestrated this attack. that's the leading theory, at least publicly, police are saying. and off the record, discussions with our sources, we're hearing nothing else >> well, obviously, that is what happened, because the only thing she took was the baby boy. kate howard with the "tennessean." what can you tell me about the circumstances? >> there's not too much known about it at this time except for the fact this woman, the mother did not know the woman who came to her door that day. she said she had never seen her before in her life. and now of course police are looking into the possibility that she had in fact been followed, possibly by that woman earlier in the day although all they know is a car was following her, they don't know who was driving. >> with me right now is sharon kimball. she is joining us there in front of the home where a stabbing and

kidnap of a 4-day-old baby boy took place. she helped the mother after the stabbing. out to sharon kimball joining us exclusively. miss kimball, thank you for being with us. also with her, eric peterson, also a neighbor. miss kimball, what happened when the mom, when you first saw the mom following the stabbing? >> well, when she came to my door, she said please help me. she said someone -- a woman has stabbed me and she has taken my baby, she's going to kill my baby. >> miss kimble, when you first saw her, when you saw her, the mother, what did she look like? >> she was covered in blood. blood was gushing out of the side of her neck. it was coming down her face. it was all down her body. it was just dripping everywhere. >> miss kimble, this is an important question. did she have anything in the

front yard like blue balloons or one of those stork posters or anything celebrating bringing the baby home? >> yes. it was something there saying a baby boy was born at a hospital. he was a new arrival. >> to eric peterson, also joining us there in nashville, tennessee. everyone, a young mother answers the door, to whom she thinks is immigration on a routine check. instead, she sees a woman who immediately there at the front door begins stabbing her repeatedly. why? to steal her 4-day-old infant. eric peterson is also joining us. eric, what can you add? >> oh, i just heard a loud beating at the door continuously. i finally answered the door, and this lady was completely covered in blood. all over. stuff was dripping all out of her hands. i thought it was a gag. i asked her, what's going on here?

she said, "please help me." and i saw the fear in her. and then i knew something was going down. >> what did she do? what, did she want to use your phone? what did she need? >> no. she wanted to come in and shut that door and told me to go get her kids. told me it was a white lady in the kitchen that was going to kill the newborn child. so i told her she couldn't come in dripping blood like that. i told her hold on, let me go get somebody to take care of you. so i immediately went and got miss kimble from out back. and miss kimble started attending to her. then i asked her if -- what type of weapon did the lady have. it was obvious that she had been hit with a butcher knife, but i wanted to make sure. once i found out what type of weapon she had, i immediately went around the house and got my dog, and we went down to the house. >> so eric -- eric peterson, eric, hold on. hold on. i know you're outside and there's traffic going by.

mr. peterson, you actually went back to the house, and you thought the lady with the knife may still be in there? >> oh, yes, ma'am. i just knew she was in there. but when i got down there, it was a lady in a gray two-door honda tried to run over me and the dog. i really didn't pay that much attention to her. she was a white lady, brown hair in a ponytail, and she went on by real quick after she tried to hit me. >> now, wait a minute. you're saying it was a honda and what color? >> it was a gray honda. two-door. all grayish. >> okay. dark -- >> like it's been sitting in the sun. >> oh, so light gray? >> dark gray. like it's been sitting in the sun for a long time. >> to clark goldband, on our story.

the lookout on the car that i have is a black four-door sedan that may look like a police car. but he's telling me something completely different. you are seeing video of the mother at the hospital begging for the return of her infant child just 4 days old. clark, what about the discrepancy? peterson is telling me it's a light blue honda, two-door. >> now, nancy, to complicate things a little more, a press conference just wrapped up a few moments ago where law enforcement said they're also searching for a kia spectra that was seen in the area in a walmart parking lot just hours before the attack on the mom. they believe that person may be a witness. there has been some discrepancy on that vehicle you had talked about. law enforcement still trying to sort that out. but they believe it is the four-door black sedan that looks like a police vehicle. >> okay. back to eric peterson, the lookout on the female that i've got is a white female, a white woman about 30 years old, 5'4",

heavyset, blonde hair pulled back into a ponytail, black blouse, blue jeans. does that fit the description that you observed, eric peterson? >> i come very close to that car, me and my dog. i seen a white woman. how old she was, i could not tell you. but she wasn't very old. i can say that. >> to dr. evelyn manaya, an expert in her field, the condition of this 4-day-old child -- when my twins were 4 days old, they were still in the icu. >> that's right, nancy. that's right. you know, the condition of this poor child is that obviously the child has to be taken care of. it can get dehydrated, as you already know, very fast. and you even pointed out on monday's show that the baby needs to be always on its back. now, he looks a little heavy. the baby looks like he's about eight something, eight pounds nine ounces, eight pounds ten ounces or so.

so you know, he also needs to be fed more frequently. so that means every two hours. and it's very important. not only that. they're more susceptible to infections. everything. you know? >> got it. to susan moss. this is not the first time that a female has done violence to get a baby. weigh in, susan moss. >> absolutely. unfortunately, it is not uncommon. mom was stabbed, the child was grabbed, and this perp needs to be nabbed. luckily, law enforcement is taking this very, very seriously. and i don't think anyone in this community is going to rest until the perps are brought to justice. >> paul batista, i guess your defense is going to be insanity? >> well, we haven't met her yet, nancy. we have to figure out who she is and what she's like -- >> when did that ever stop you? >> but it is a possible defense, nancy. it depends on who the perpetrator is. >> all right. we'll all be right back. we're taking your calls live. to tonight's safety tip. criminals target anybody. but with preparation you can be one step ahead and prevent a mugging. if possible, don't travel alone. groups deter muggers. avoid unfamiliar locations. stay alert and aware of your surroundings. it's so easy to become blase. don't make yourself a target. keep valuables out of sight. don't flash expensive jewelry.

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it's vitally important that the community be on the lookout for an individual, for a woman, who has a child inexplicably. a person who was not pregnant

but all the sudden is carrying around a child who meets this particular child's description. the abductor once again is described as a heavyset white woman, approximately 5'4" tall who had her blond hair in a ponytail on tuesday afternoon. we're also being told that she spoke some spanish. >> it's not the first time a woman has committed violence, although it's extremely rare for women to commit this type of violence, especially in order to steal a baby. lisa montgomery killed bobbie jo stinnett, cut the child out of her body. effie goodson, michelle beeker, karina roberts, angela dimament. the list goes on and on and on. violence inflicted by women to get babies. and to you, paul batista. you're saying you haven't met her, so you don't know what the defense is going to be.

it's always insanity. come on, tell the truth. you've got eric peterson, the neighbor, she tries to run him down. he got a good look at her. the victim lived. i'm sure she regrets that, the perpetrator regrets that. everybody saw her. she has nowhere to go. so her defense cannot be not guilty unless it's not guilty by reason of insanity. >> well, nancy, obviously any competent lawyer who finally meets this client is going to have to really explore that defense. and it may be the only defense. >> put him back up on the screen. >> but it depends on what she is really like. >> she is really like? a kidnapper and a would-be murderer. that's what she's really like. >> the fact that it's a heinous crime does not mean necessarily, nancy, that she's insane within the meaning of the law. it has to be evaluated. >> you know what? you know what? i know that. i'm worried that you don't know that. but thank you for clearing that

up, paul batista. caryn stark, help me out. i need a shrink. >> okay, nancy. even though it's unusual for women to be violent, not baby snatchers. they are desperate. these are people who really believe this is their baby, and they're going to kill in order to have their baby. they've convinced themselves that they're determined, they're allowed to have this baby. >> and they're also convinced that they would make a better mother. you know, after covering all of these stories, there was no way i was going to put a sign up, a balloon. nothing in the front yard when i brought the twins home. blanket over their head. i want to go back to marc klaas. what do we do to find the baby, marc klaas? >> well, first of all, you know, these kinds of crimes used to happen in hospitals until hospitals clamped down on security. and now they're happening in the community. what we have to do is stop advertising the fact that we

have newborn babies in our homes because, as you said, these kinds of crimes are happening with increasing regularity and we're covering one every couple of months. and this just can't be. these mothers deserve to be at home with their little children so they can raise them in a loving -- and a nurturing environment. >> marc klaas, you are preaching to the choir. after reading this story, i guarantee you i'm going to be up pacing the house all night looking out the windows. okay. very quickly, i want to go to sheryl mccollum. you're the director of the cold case squad. how would you go about finding this baby and solving this case? >> you're going to tell the public to pay attention. any friend or family member that's giving you some bogus story about why they suddenly have a baby, it's bogus. call the authorities. >> so now we're relying on the public. everyone, the tip number, 615-862-8600. mommy's in the hospital covered with would-be fatal wounds. this 4-day-old baby boy is with a psychotic would-be killer.

615-862-8600. don't be tricked by the fact the perpetrator is a woman. we are switching gears very quickly and taking your calls. a famous hollywood megastar collides with lady justice. take a listen. >> fellow filmmakers are rallying behind oscar winner roman polanski as his attorneys file a motion to have him released. >> he photographed me topless. he'd seen me topless. i just was thinking, well, this is very european, it must be all right. >> in all, 138 people including directors woody allen, pedro almodovar, and martin scorsese, among others in the film industry, signed a petition against his arrest. >> i said no. i didn't fight him off. i said no, no, i don't want to go in there. no, i don't want to do this. no. and then i didn't know what else to do. we were alone. >> recently unsealed grand jury testimony included a 13-year-old victim's story of being plied

with champagne, part of a quaalude, then being raped and sodomized by a 43-year-old man. >> i need to go home because i'm not feeling well. and then that progressed to, you know, eventually why don't you come in here and lay down? into a very dark room. and that's when i really realized, you know, what his intentions were. >> now, after 30 years after roman polanski, the megastar hollywood director, admits under oath he raped a 13-year-old girl, her sworn testimony is that he also anally raped her, he's finally arrested after 30 years hiding out in his luxury chalet in europe. and hollywood is shocked? eh, eh. they're shocked he's arrested. why weren't they shocked when he raped a 13-year-old girl he had high on champagne and quaaludes? that's my question tonight. tom o'neil, senior editor "in touch weekly," hit me. >> 138 filmmakers disagree with

you, nancy. and with me. they signed this petition that demands his immediate release because he was nabbed unfairly, they say. that he was en route to a film festival. and -- >> what's unfair about that? >> i know. that -- >> okay. who is "they"? woody allen, who was accused of taking photos of his minor adopted daughter -- >> mm-hmm. >> that's an endorsement. martin scorsese, penelope cruz, tilda swinton, michael mann. who else? who am i missing? >> inaratu, the director of "babel." >> guillermo del toro. david lynch. okay. so they are petitioning who for his release? >> they're petitioning the government of switzerland to let him go because he was nabbed unfairly they say at an international cultural event. those should be exempt from these kinds of police nabs and the parallel they're making -- it's interesting bah it's faulty. claiming at film festivals like

cannes they let guerrilla film makers let in. that's set aside. not criminal charchs like this. >> this director said under oath he raped a 13-year-old. it is only because he absconded that this case is 30 years old.

there is a disturbing yet growing defense of roman polanski in this country and it's coming from hollywood. look at the list of high profile people defending this superstar director. martin scorcese. >> we hope today this latest order will be dropped. it is based on a three-decade-old case that's all but dead except for a minor technicality. >> this is for me a shock and ashamed to be believe that race is doing such a thing to a brilliant, fantastic genius. >> evidence shows he got a little girl drunk and gave her drugs and sodomized a little

girl. >> wanted to take pictures in the hot tub. i was in there topless. he got in the hot tub. that progressed to, you know, eventually why don't you come in here and lay down in a very dark room and that's when i knew his intentions. >> she was 13. he was 43. gave her champagne and a quaalude. he had unawful sexual intercourse with her many different ways. >> lady justice finally catches up with a hollywood superstar who 30 years ago pled guilty to raping a 13-year-old child. now, hollywood's whining he should be released. we are taking your calls. sheeba, illinois, hi, sheeba. >> caller: hi, darling. this is disgusting. >> i agree. >> caller: he raped her and sodomized her. her life is ruined up to this point. she's got to have all kinds of problems up to this point.

he should be sent over here and have to do his sentence and i hope that the judge that sentenced him is still alive. >> sheeba in illinois, i agree with you and only hope that the judge is listening tonight. ellie, what else can you tell me? >> lot of support is based on documents are of last year and in it a prosecutor -- >> all the support? you mean woody allen, the guy who married his underage daughter? okay. go ahead an i that's the guy. yeah. in the documentary, a prosecutor retired claims he had a conversation with the judge in the case and strategized about how they could go back on that plea deal, send polanski back to jail. now he says, tells marcia clark, the prosecutor in the o.j. case, she has an article about it in "the day by beast" and tells her, i lied. i showed the judge a picture of polanski celebrating at oktoberfest and the judge got mad and decided to send him back

to jail. >> that plea was a negotiated plea for a few days behind bars. if the judge rejected that, polanski would have had the right to go to trial. everybody, let's stop this and remember marine larns corporal steven chavez. lost his life just hours after talking to his dad and one week before he was set to come home. he wanted to enlist since sixth grade. always wearing camouflage. loved outdoors, fishing with his father, camping, sports, playing guit guitar. followed jim to freedom. leaves behind his family. steven chavez, american hero. thanks to our guests but especially to you an a special good night from georgia friends of the show donna and susan. both dedicated mothers and both beautiful. everyone, i'll see you to recall night 8:00 sharp eastern. until then, good night, friend.

tonight, bette midler, kathy griffin and vanessa williams. more stars than the betty ford clinic. all that and more from the time warner center in new york tonight. you never know what my guest is going to say or for that matter say about you behind your back. her brand of comedy is brash, outspoken and takes no prisoners. in fact, i'm wearing body armor right now so help me welcome to my table, kathy agriculture. >> i love that intro. and here's why. i love that you pointed out i

talk about people behind their backs. here's why. i think it's interesting when people want me to confront the celebrities. i was raised right. i talk about people behind their backs and wait until you leave the room. >> yes. >> when people say that on reality shows, say something to my face. i think i'd rather wait until you leave the room and i can be funnier and more freeing. >> sometimes you get into trouble. >> always. >> you have said things down here, suck it, jesus. >> won my first emmy, first of two. >> why were you in favor of offending every christian in the world she. >> religious groups more than individuals. i like to offend individuals, don't get me wrong but deities and religious groups are the most fun because they have the worst sense of humor. that's a spoof of when the -- usually at the grammys, the musical artists thank god. miley did it after dancing on the pole. you know what i mean? >> yeah.

i know. it's not pretty. >> i said, jesus had nothing to do with this award, suck it, jesus, this award is my god now and then a group took out a huge ad against me in at usa today" and spent more money than bravo ever would advertising "my life on the d-list" and great publicity. >> do you get death threat sfs. >> yes. >> how do you hand that will? that's a little scary. >> i just -- i kind of just laugh at all of it. >> you do? >> that's probably why i'm not a security expertment i'm not a homeland security person. i would say laugh at the jihadists. they're a riot. >> i have two names for you. one name for you. sal man rushdie. >> i had tips from him. how to deal with a fatwa. i was a hollywood fatwa on hi head at all times. most by barbara walters. >> let's leave her out of the conversation. the's other people. regis, for example.

you haven't been invited back. >> you called -- that's in my book. did you know you're in my book? >> i skipped that section. >> you have to look. my book has an index to look yourself up and you can see what page you're on there by having to not read the whole book at all. >> what did you do for you or against you? >> i was on "the view" one time and you said to me out of the blue, have you been on regis lately? >> i said, no. you said, you mean because you said on regis live that gelman regis' [ bleep ] and i said, oh yeah. and then i said, wait a minute, i haven't on the show and you were laughing, i bet that's why. >> oh. >> in fact, i have not been on regis and kelly lee -- let's go with regis and kelly lee. because that's how long it's been since i've been on the show. i might have a fatwa from gelman. i didn't think he could put a fatwa on anyone.

>> maybe some people don't are the sense of humor that you have. you have to watch that. >> you don't think that regis beats gelman ever? >> baetds him verbally. >> abuses him verbally. >> regis "the turnaround" boss. face it. >> yeah. >> but when you get into trouble like that, you will not apologize am i right? >> i don't apologize for jokes. i do if i stepped on your toe. >> literally or figtively? >> many, many things. but i don't apologize for jokes. but saying suck it jesus at the creative arts emmys is so clearly a joke starting a rumor that dakota fanning is going rehab at 9 years old. it's very clearly a joke. >> that's funny. i'm sorry. they went after you for that? that's ridiculous. >> if i had said it about lindsay lohan, that is not to clear. to say it about 9-year-old dakota fanning is very obviously a joke. >> what about the facts that david letterman apologized to sarah palin for the bristol joke. that was a joke. >> in my book i talked about being banned from letterman. and then as i was writing the book, my 12-year ban was lifted.

>> why? >> i think because i swore too much. i don't know for sure. the way they work, they never say you're banned. they usually just want to keep not booking you. year after year. >> of course. they don't want to admit it. >> after winning emmys and going to iraq, they can't find a spot for me but they can have spencer from heidi and spencer. they can find a spot for him. then on letterman i was a fallout. when you are on the d-list, that is what you do. which means the show as booked a real star. they get a head cold, paula abdul, head cold. and they call me and i rush and fill in. that is how i got to go back on letterman. i was a fallout. >> what does this mean when you do it like that? what do you really want to say? >> i would say that paula abdul appears to be under the influence of really enjoying life. >> she says she has pain medication or something simple like that. >> i believe her. if she is saying she has pain

medication, i agree with her. >> i thought she was a good one. >> considering what they pay the boys and in the book i talk a lot about sexism in hollywood and you know that game. >> yes. >> i'm sorry. i think it is appalling that seacrest makes 45 million and i think paula made 3 million. so she gets a tenth of what the guys get? a 12th of what he was getting? >> i think he was getting $45 million for various jobs. >> but still. >> but still. >> she is a big reason people watch that she and she was one of the big reasons i watched it. >> me, too. because you needed somebody nice. >> you never know what they'll do. >> somebody who would come on to the kids. it was great. now you talk about sexism in hollywood. why in hollywood? it is all over the place. >> i can't believe how bad it still is. when i was a kid and joan rivers took on "the tonight show," i thought it would be 50/50. there isn't a female in network late night to this day.

in fact, that there was one, joan rivers, and then never again is mind-blowing to me. >> after she had her own show and didn't tell johnny carson she was getting her own show, the patriarch was upset, she was banned from the shows, as well. she was recently invited back over the last 20 years is that a female thing? she was banned, also. >> yes. >> only women? >> as far as having those shows, i believe it is a woman thing. >> that's a woman true. but the banning. >> even the clubs. i don't know about the banning part. i think a lot of the guys don't necessarily know what to do with a woman. if you are not the hot chick i'm not sure if they know what to do with you. if you are not the starlet saying our tv show is like a family. one time we played a joke where we switched cola for coffee. you know? it's awful. >> they love that. >> they love that stuff. >> with a woman comedian, it is too much power. we have the mike, we're funny.

it is not easy to deal with that. >> there is the whole thing. genuinely people can think women aren't funny. when i do my shows i perform for day guys and women. i can't tell you how many guys say to me, my wife dragged me here and i didn't want to come but you're really funny. >> do you think there is less sexism among women? >> sometimes yes, sometimes no. there are a few of us vying for a few jobs. let's face it. we're all fighting for a handful of jobs. so sometimes girl on girl crime can be the worst. i think, ultimately, luckily i have been lucky enough to have a lot of girls help me along the way. the first week i did stand-up, i had feminists with. >> they are both feminists. they will be good for you. >> they were very helpful. but i love all the gals. i love chelsee -- and sandra burnhart. >> what about ellen? >> i love her. >> you were nasty in the book. >> i tell a story of my experience on her story. >> what happened to you? >> i thought she really kind of

ruled that set with an iron fist. in a way that was a little, like, it took me back a little bit. >> if she were a man you wouldn't be saying that. you would say she was very strong and tough. >> well, i thought she was -- what she did was i felt like she had me perform like a circus monkey which normally i am happy to do. i do have little cymbals attached to my fingers at times. i am a big admirer of her and all that she's accomplished. i think i am currently banned from her show. i have been out about three years. >> you do just fine. you are not on the d-list. that's getting tired a. >> we'll see. >> you are an a-list person and to be on the d-list person sounds wrong. i see you everywhere. you have a huge gay following. >> thank god for gays. >> what is that about? >> i get along with gay guys. i didn't have to put any effort. >> i remember in the early days,

the gay audience was easier to deal with. they were downtown and they got -- >> it was geography for you? >> it was. when i went uptown and it was hetero and it was hard tore do. >> i call them -- they are the unshockable gays. they're in a minority and that has to struggle and already feel like being on the outside looking in and that is what the d list is. that is why i do well with gay audiences. and the kind of stand up. what am i going to say to a gay person that they haven't heard. unless i mention going to cher's house. then they get excited. >> they don't really admire you they want to be you? what does that mean? >> and vice versa. there are a lot of gay guys i would love to be. >> who has a bigger fan base? you, cher, our larry craig? >> larry craig. he has more of a niche crowd but they're very

passionate. >> we will be right back. >> hi, i am kathy griffin. i am going to be on christian aman -- i'm on the joy behar show. i think we're live from baghdad. we are going to be at a desk. that's going to be a lot of ieds coming. we're going to gossip and talk some smack about celebrities.

we are back with the very funny kathy griffin. i do remember your name. so now, you know, a lot of things in your book are serious. >> oh, yeah. this book hits you with a few serious topics that maybe you didn't expect. >> i did not expect to find out that your brother was a pedophile. tell me, what do you mean? >> here's the deal. i am write ago memoir. if people are going put down their hard earned money they need something they will not get if they come see me live. or whatever. and so, you know, i had to write about the serious stuff, too. i was torn. part of me wanted to make it a humor book. i thought, you know, the type of books that i really like are the one that is are honest and forthright. in fact, barbara walters

audition was one of them. she was honest and revealing and joan rivers and paula deen's first book and all about the cooking. those are the type of books i like to read so i had to talk about my eldest brother, kenny, who is now passed away. he is was a pedophile. >> how did he die? >> he actually -- so awful. he was homeless and a crack addict and lived on the streets for years, and he actually died in my mom's arms. >> sad. >> very, very sad. lived to be i think 60 years old. >> when you say he was a pedophile, did he molest children? >> yes. >> he did? >> that's what a pedophile is. >> you don't say that exactly in your book. >> that's what i mean. and it was -- i mean, look. it's a serious thing. >> you say he got into bed with you when you were a little girl. >> yeah. i mean, here's the deal. it started when i was a little kid like under 10 years old, and this guy was 20 years older than i and get into bed with me and whisper sweet nothings in my ear. >> did he touch you? >> not that i recall.

if you walked into a bedroom and saw a 7-year-old kid and there was a guy 20 years older than her cuddling with her, whispering sweet nothings in her ear. >> it's creepy. >> exactly. >> i don't know that he molested you. >> i don't know the word and i never used that word for me. i say sexually inappropriate. i don't know what to call it and different people call it whatever they want. i have talked to various experts about this topic. one thing that they talked to me a lot about was the denial often that, you know, comes along with that crime. we are talking 40 years ago. we almost didn't have the word pedophile then. >> that was before oprah and phil. >> exactly. and then in two long term relationships, both of the women separately told me about him molesting kids. >> oh, i see. >> and then many years later, became estranged from him and it was a very divisive thing.

my dad said why are you completely estranged from kenny, i and said i believe he is a pedophile. he said kathleen thinks you're a pedophile and my dad's response -- i'm sorry, my brother's response was i do what i do. >> oh. so he admitted it pretty much? >> look, if someone accused me of being a pedophile, my answer would not be i do what i do. so it's very sort of amorphous thing. it's crime that to me doesn't have the witnesses call forward. i called the lapd. tried to get them to investigate. they said they couldn't needing the kids to come forward. i had the address of the apartment he was managing. you know? i mean, i tried to get them to go ask. it's a big thing to deal with and it had a big influence on me. >> scarring. i think it scars you. without really getting the point of it. >> it is all about secrets. my act is all about blurting out everything and no secrets and revealing everything and when i wrote this book, i couldn't

write a book without writing about him. >> did you tell your mother? >> yeah. >> what did your mother say? >> my mom and dad still didn't really know quite what it was and couldn't quite put it together. you know? it is a tough thing. >> it is like the priest scandal. >> i had a gay priest cousin. who died of aids. >> gay doesn't mean pedophile. >> but he would move parish to parish to parish and rumblings when i was a kid. >> there's something in your family. >> i always wondered. that is a big part of the book. i am not a big secret keeper. i don't think secrets ever work. they just fester. >> it is not like you to not talk about things. it is good you did. let's talk about your husband for a minute. i have met your husband. seemed like a nice guy. you were happily married. he was in the car with you on the d-list. what happened? >> i was actually quite happily married. there is a part and then i think that there was some, you know,

financial inproprieties that happened as well as other things. >> he stole money from you? >> $72,000. >> what did he do with it? >> to this day i don't know. >> did he buy a car? >> to this day i don't know. >> how did you find out? >> my accountant called. >> your account apt ant called? >> my accountant called. >> did you confront him? >> yes. >> what happened then? >> at first he denied it and then he said it was me. i said look apparently there is a tape. if there is a tape you might as well tell me before someone sees it. >> so are you divorced? or separated? >> totally divorced. >> do you have to pay him alimony? california is so crazy about that. >> can i tell you? honestly, it wasn't about the money. the first person i talked to -- not the first person but on tv, i talked to larry king. he was talking about the money and the dollar amount and honestly it really is about the trust because -- >> of course. >> i started to question everything and do i really know

him. did i ever know him? why did he lie about this? you know this happened over a period of about two years. >> yeah. >> two years. going into my wallet when i was asleep, taking my atm cards, withdrawing $1,500 and putting them back in the wallet before i woke up in the morning. i couldn't figure it out. he never showed up with a rolex watch. >> so you off marriage forever? >> i'm kind of off marriage. >> and there are single guys that are available. ryan o'neil. interested in him? >> that would be very healthy. or lana stewart. >> i think so. you could turn into a lesbian, that type of affair with your husband. if someone goes into my bank account, i am down with the girls. >> that's right. i'm kathy orman. say hello to kathy orman. >> we'll be back with the real kathy griffin or will we? find out what i mean when we return.

back with a woman who has a tongue that could cut you. speaking of cutting, kathy -- >> yes. >> you had plastic surgery that almost killed you. >> i call it dental work. >> yeah? >> that is my code. in hollywood. >> is that what they all say? hollywood? >> yeah. a few of the desperate housewives have been to the dentist. a couple times. >> oh, yeah. i think so, too. >> i think everyone has been to the dentist. there is somebody on the hills that has like lip plumping. everyone goes to the dentist. >> it doesn't have to do with age. >> it used to. >> not anymore. now people have to look exactly how everybody else looks. you had a little problem with plastic surgery and then you did it again. why did you do it again?

when you almost died from it. >> because i am insecure and i want to be better. i would like to be jennifer aniston. >> you look very good and you're not going to be jennifer aniston. >> but i want to be jennifer aniston. >> why? >> because then my life would be better. >> why? >> so pick somebody else. i want to be one of the kardashians. i want to be khloe. there. you didn't see that coming. you thought i'd say kim. >> i don't know who they are. you think that everybody has to have surgery. you say that lisa kudrow got a boob job and dyed her hair blond and became a star overnight. >> i love lisa. she is very talented and i knew her sort of from the audition circuit. she was not getting a break. she and i auditioned for "saturday night live" together. we both didn't get the job. i was like, god, this girl's so talented. i swear to god. she got a nose job, dyed her hair blond, she was on cheers, mad about you and then

"friends". skyrocketed to fame. i don't think it hurt. i don't mean to bother the camera people. especially the p.a. i'm sorry. are you taking orders? >> very chatty group here. i was reading one of the girls from "saturday night live." >> i would like a latte with non-fat group. come on you have to keep up appearances. >> i have had botox. and restalyn. i don't care if anybody knows it. why is it such a secret? and how come comics always tell it? roseanne told it. joan told it. phylis diller. >> the whole idea that there is a celebrity door and you have got to do the celebrity knock and they know you're famous by how many knocks. i stand out and say i am kathy griffin, let me in. i can't get in the celebrity doorment it's a disaster. >> it's horrible. >> there's a culture of plastic surgery. i am on the d list in the plastic surgeon's office.

but yeah, look. i talked to bette midler ask she says all women want to look better. i don't care who they are and what they do. >> are you going to talk about me in your next act? >> stunad is an italian word that means you are out of it. >> i will say that and i will say that you were stunad. >> all right. >> and also i'm going to say that you're -- what do you call your boyfriend? >> spousal equivalent. steve. >> you are worse than the gays. you are worse with the gays with the -- spousal equivalent. spousal equivalent? >> he is. without being a spouse. thank you, kathy griffin. her new book, official book club selection is in stores now. thanks, kathy. >> i am a little nervous because we have just done one of our blocks and she mentioned being

stunard and i don't know what that is.

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earlier this week i had a chance to talk to bette midler who made tv history and won an emmy at johnny carson's last guest. ♪ long road [ applause ] >> one of great moments in television. now she is my first guest. here is hoping the magic continues. bette midler, thank you, honey for coming on the show. it sort of tears us up when we

see that, doesn't it? >> maybe you. for me i am all smiles. once in a while i get misty eyed. he was a wonderful guy. wonderful guy. he did so much for me. so much for so many people that i know. >> not me. i never got on his show. >> that's too damn bad, joy. maybe you didn't deserve to get on that show. >> who cares? i am sorry he is dead. >> here you have a show of your own. hey. congratulations. >> let's not talk about him. >> he was great guy. you will have a great run. >> i am glad you are my first guest and you were his last. do you think he ever wanted to leave? does anyone ever want to leave? >> i think some people really want to and some people don't. everyone's different. i think there are some people working in television who will have to be carried out feet first. >> no names. no names. >> but there are other people who have just had enough. it is hard work. it is really hard work. when you look around, if our curious person, you say it is a lot the same. i have been doing this for a long time and every day is

pretty much the same. those kinds of people say i have had enough. >> what would you do if you were not in vegas? >> we were not talking about me. i am not retiring and you can't make me. >> will you never retire ever? >> if i were going to retire i wouldn't announce it. i would just back up into the wings and walk away. i wouldn't say -- why would you say i'm going to retire? then if you change your mind -- >> look at cher, she always has a come back. >> god bless her. she's made it pay. >> let's talk politics. >> okay. >> i know that you stumped for obama. >> i did. >> was that the first time you stumped far president? >> no. i stump for all the democrats for years. i think since the last '70s. >> they have been calling him a lot of bad names which is really stupid. fascist and what do you think about that? >> i think sit a new low in political discourse and it is very distressing.

i think it's -- i think people of goodwill are very distressed by it because it's so ugly and so whacky. >> what should people of goodwill do? >> people of goodwill should talk rationally and politely in a civil tone. and people should be willing to listen to the other side, and people should be willing to listen to your side. that seems to be gone. >> we are trying to do that. someone like glenn beck has made a lot of money because he is out there being hateful in many ways. he calls himself a clown and a comedian. do you think he is funny? >> i don't think he's funny even a little bit. i have never had a laugh from glenn beck. i find him terrifying. i find him terrifying. he is like an old school demagogue and that is frightening. because, you knowp you really -- if you look around at the rest of the world and what this kind of behavior has done in rwanda where the demagogues got on the

radio and fermented all the hate. that could happen here. you could turn on a dime and happen here. >> we have free speech here. everything he says we can -- >> i don't think hate speech is so free. i don't think hate speech should be free. i'm not for censorship but i feel like being a human being. >> but you can't stop people from hate speech because they have a right to say it. it's the first amendment. >> i think that people who are educated to be civil are civil. that's all there is to it. people who are not educated are just on the barbaric side, what can you do? that's the fault of the education system. and the way they're brought up. >> it's in a lot of trouble. the education system. speaking of that, what duke of sarah palin? >> i think she is an interesting character on the american scene. >> do you identify with her? americans do. >> i do not identify with sarah palin. >> she hunts and fishes. do you? >> according to levi johnson,

she doesn't hunt or fish or cook. in fact, never picked up a fishing rod or cooked which i -- >> do you believe him? >> that article was so fascinating because it -- the sound of it, the voice in the article seemed so legitimate that i kind of sort of could go either way. >> so you believe him over her? the little twerp. >> it was interesting. >> those people laughing are alcoholics anonymous. go ahead. >> i don't know many journalists. i know one or two of them. i don't know how they do what they do. i don't know how they manage to elicit all that information from someone like levi johnson. >> you don't know if he is telling the truth. >> do you know if anyone is telling the truth any time ever? we used to have these father figures. oh, yeah. walter cronkite, he is telling it like it is. but, where is walter? you know? >> he died a few weeks ago. >> i know that. that's what i mean.

>> two dead people in this one conversation so far. >> and we could go on. >> we could go on. >> this was a very bad year. >> i want to change the subject. i know. >> and i am dying right now. >> no, you're not. you are and i are constantly being -- they think i'm you and they think you're me. >> separated at birth. >> look at the camera together for a second. there's a picture. look. do we look alike? i don't think we look alike. >> i had a look on my face like why are you pointing that camera at me? you're like, yeah, here i am. >> i look like someone is pointing something behind me. >> in this, we have had photographs taken where we do look very much alike especially when i had red hair. but i haven't had red hair for 30 years so there you go. >> i was on a cruise before i had "the view." right? i'm on a cruise and i performed and i walked around the boat, i talked to people for the whole cruise and then i overheard someone say, how could they afford bette midler? that was at the end of the cruise. >> that's hilarious.

>> that's a true story. >> i was in paris. i went on a little holiday not so long ago. >> did you see roman polanski? >> i didn't. i was at the loo in the louvre and someone said you look just like bette midler. she said, i bet you wish you had her money. >> that is a good story. >> your act is -- i love your work. >> thank you. >> i have to say. i saw you in vegas and new york and the old days, you know, when you were first starting with barry manilow all those great years and have your albums. gushing now over you. >> thank you. you are not blue. >> i work blue. >> i don't think that is blue. i would say you are baudy. >> first you -- i am bawdy. you have to tell the audience at home that blue means. >> that means you are swearing. you might drop the f-bomb. for example. >> yes. >> and other words that george

carlin said not to use on television. you can do it in a concert. >> you can and i do. i sometimes feel like i am working a little blue for my crowd. >> they love it. >> they -- my husband says they pay to hear you swear. at first i was like offended and then i was like i think he is right. >> tell us what the hoolaween party is for? >> it is for my organization call -- i founded it about 14 years ago. it is called new york restoration project. we clean parks in underserved neighborhoods. we are owner, designers and caretakers of 55 community gardens. we teach children environmental education. >> very good. >> we teach rowing programs. we teach, teach, teach. >> you're very good. do you have ocd? >> i think do. >> what do you have that causes you to want to clean up new york? it's a great thing. >> i think it is a compulsion. i can't help it. i was brought up in the most wonderful spot in the world, hawaii.

when i came to the continent of north america, i said, why are the clouds brown? >> that was california. >> that was california. why is there garbage on the street? i couldn't understand that. that disturbed me. i got on that path and never left. i never thought i would still be picking up garbage so many years after i stopped dating it. >> that is a good line. >> thank you. >> so vegas, how do you like vegas? do you like it? >> i have gotten to know the town, vegas, a little bit. i have friends there and relationships. >> friends there of normal people? >> normal people. there are a lot of normal people. i learned poker. i can't play blackjack. i have any little thing that i carry with me all the time. >> how does your husband like it there? >> he doesn't mind it at all. it is glittery and glamorous. and it is crazy way. >> he is a performer. >> he is a performer. >> i saw him at your birthday party and did a performance art thing. very charming. >> he is extremely charming and

brilliant. just brilliant. i go everywhere with him. >> so you are going to keep him? >> 24 years. yeah. he loves all of this and he has seen the show 40 or 50 times and he cries and laughs every single time. >> oh my god. >> he is crazy. >> he is a keeper. really nuts. >> yeah. >> you should keep him, though. >> i got him. >> okay, bette. i am so happy that you came to see me. >> is this it? are we over? >> this is my first show. i had a wonderful night. go ahead. >> i want to say that hoolaween is on october 30. >> buy a table. >> buy a table. at the waldorf historia. be there or be square. and i will probably serve chicken pot pie. >> and you usually sing. >> i always sing. and we are honoring the mayor. >> mayor bloomberg. okay. thanks, honey. that was bette midler, one of the best. back with vanessa williams in just a minute.

you know, not for nothing, but my show has been on the air for, what, like two minutes and already i've been called every name in the book. stupid, pushy, dumb, loud mouth and a marxist. >> i take exception.

i am not a marxist. i own property. okay. it is in foreclosure but still. this name calling doesn't bother me. i am used to it. bill o'reilly once called me a pinhead. yeah, he's mature. and a christian columnist named eric rush actually called me a fatty bloom blaty. which version of the bible does he read? king james or dr. suess? let me say something, i am a mature woman capable of intelligent discourse. i love to engage in cogent debate and partake in well-informed conversation. okay? i relish the thought of sitting down with all of my adversaries. so glenn, rush, bill, i invite all of you to come on the show and discuss things like rational adults even if you are a big bunch of doody heads, but that's just me.

my next guest made headlines when she became the first black miss america 26 years ago. that was a long time ago. seems like yesterday. today she continues her career as a world famous actress and singer. she just released her latest album "the real thing" and she's been nominated for an emmy three times for her role on abc's "ugly betty." oh, let's look at that. >> am i smiling? i can't tell. >> i think you are. >> oh, willie. so good to be back and have health insurance again.

because i have this weird mole thing. but daniel still roads mode and i still run me. what's our new move? >> to divide the house of mead. >> please welcome vanessa williams. >> am i smiling? i can't tell. >> you are. kathy griffin and i were talking about plastic surgery, and she says that basically you can't get along in hollywood without some kind of plastic surge ji and not just old people but young girls. what do you think? >> there is a pressure to stay young and stay in the game. i was lucky enough to when i was 40 i wanted to maintain the way i looked. didn't want to look like anybody else. >> why would you want to look like somebody else? i would rather look like you if i were you, yeah. >> that is when i first partook in botox. >> the botox. we love the botox. >> we love the botox and it is easy and it's a needle and you're in and out in less than 20 minutes. you know, if you don't like it,

you don't have to do it. if you do, you get done every four months or so and it is wonderful and playing slater, i'm vocal about using botox as a character and allegin teamed up and asked me to be the spokesperson. it was a joint venture and doing the events across the country. talking about the effects and the safety and but also giving back and we have given $250,000 to dress for success which is a great nonprofit. >> yes, that is a good charity. >> it is a great combination. >> yes. but i mean, the thing is that you will say that you have it. >> yeah. why lie? >> everybody lies. you think that actresses are not lying? vanessa? come on. >> i guess that is what we get paid to do. lie for living. >> if i directly ask some of them on my show on the other show, "the view," they'll say no to my face. they lie through their caps. >> yeah. it's crazy. >> yeah. >> so, you know, i mean, i think

that also, you know, it doesn't apply to men as much. >> yeah, but you know, there's -- with the amount of botox going on, there's almost a million men doing it on a yearly basis so it's definitely an issue and something that men want to do, too. why snot. >> i guess. >> cutting, it is not permanent. >> botox is not cutting and the shots but chin implants. they're getting boob jobs which i don't get. >> if you've nursed four kids, you get it. >> is it norm alto trip on your [ bleep ] on the treadmill? just asking. how old did you say you are? >> 46. they can google it in a second. why lie? they'll find out anyway. >> i started lying about my daughter's age. that's how i do it. >> tricky. >> are you not scared of getting older? >> do i like getting older? >> no one likes it. let's be real. no one likes it. >> i am a little, as the body

gets bigger and what -- your normal routine doesn't work, that is when you get into a panic. like when your normal routine, all of a sudden you're still getting flabby and gaining the weight. that makes me nuts. >> it must be someone like you because you're still beautiful and you were real lay gorgeous, gorgeous women, miss america. come on, that's pretty pretty. >> yeah, but -- >> that's pretty damn pretty. >> i think the pleasure was that i never felt any pressure. i didn't grow up being you're a princess, you're gorgeous. never in pageants before that. i won the whole thing within six months and had no idea what was going on. i didn't have the pressure of keeping an image up. i was just a college kid. i don't feel the pressure. of course, seeing yourself on screen, that's when it's like, oh, that five pounds i can't lose, what is going on here? got to do something about this. >> yeah, i know. i know. it's ugly. let's change the subject now.

>> okay. >> you were the first black miss america. >> 1983. >> you were breaking new ground. where did -- that was a new thing in those days. have we seen it since? how many times? i don'tit. but i know there's been at least three or four, for sure, if not more. >> do you think that -- barack obama is catching a lot of flak from the right wing -- >> but there's no one else better to be the first. >> he's brilliant. >> he's brilliant. what he's had to face already and it's not even a year yet, not even -- it's going through six months of people shouting in his face -- >> and calling him names. >> calling him names, calling him a fascist. >> and a communist, which are the opposite, really. >> and likening him to hitler. it's amazing how passionate and very scary for an american to see how divisive it's become. but he is the man to do it because he's graceful. he's articulate. he's just -- he's got great

class and he's got courage. >> but i always said he would have never been elected if he didn't have everything he needed. that would be the only way he could be accepted as a black guy portier's case. girl at that >> that's true. >> we are back with singer,

actress and former miss america, vanessa williams. we were talking about racism in america a little bit because maureen dowd in one of her columns way back a couple of weeks ago, she was talking about how she thought that these scurrilous attacks calling obama a racist and people showing up with guns at some of these t.e.a. parties, was based on the fact that he was black. do you agree with that? . >> i unfortunately do. i think that there's a lot of unrest and a lot of people don't want to change. so i think it's based in the

fear. it's always when people act out in that type of anger, it's based on fear and it's the fear of change. that's what he promised and that's what he's trying to do and trying to deliver. and a lot of people don't want a change. but a lot of people think they are more american if they don't change, which is incorrect. >> it's ridiculous. do you experience racism or have you? >> absolutely, absolutely throughout my life. and -- >> at work? >> well, i don't know because most of my things are auditions. so i have no idea what they say behind the scenes. but in terms of confrontations and stuff -- >> they're saying she's a gorgeous woman. you know that's what they're saying. >> but growing up, of course, i've been called the "n" word. growing up in a predominantly white neighborhood. >> where did you grow up? >> in westchester. i've been accused of breaking into somebody's car when i was opening my own car door and

getting my child's shoe, which was incredible. i've had my kids -- when they're walking for halloween, one of my daughter is wearing a beautiful queen of hearts dress and the woman behind her said, oh, look at the queen of spades. and this is in california in a very liberal area. >> does it hurt your feelings? >> absolutely. it brings out the lioness. it makes me want to kill. >> did you smack that woman? >> my husband at the time had to hold me back. i went to the neighbor who i knew knew this person and i told her, if anything happen, you'll know it was me. >> when hillary clinton and obama were both running in the primaries, a lot of leftist people, liberals were saying, i wonder if the country is more sexist or racist. what do you think? you're a woman and you're african-american. >> double minority. >> but you're african-american, indiana american.

you're a big mixture. >> i did the dna test trying to break down the background. we're all a mixture of things in this country, which makes our country great. and back to who's leading our country, he's a composite of everybody. >> but i think it's more racist than sexist. i don't think all americans fall into this category. but we have people who are sexist and racist in every country. >> but i thought growing up in new york, it's the south. >> it's not. it's bad people everywhere. and good people everywhere. thanks very much for coming on. >> thanks very figure me. >> always a pleasure to see you. thank you for watching. thank you for watching. good night, everybody. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com

breaking news tonight. satsuma, florida, a 5-year-old little girl tucked into bed. five hours later, she's gone. vanished. the back door propped wide open. daddy comes home from the night shift to find not a trace of little haleigh. the last person to see the 5-year-old alive that night? new stepmother, misty croslin. bombshell tonight, croslin skips town following a bitter fight with haleigh's father, ronald cummings. tonight, police locate croslin. as we go to air we find she refuses to take to police who

want her requestioned about haw looe's disappearance. police surveillance on croslin. they say she won't give straight answers or account for crucial hours surrounding the alleged kidnap. in the last hours, croslin's mother in a tennessee courtroom on felony forgery. out of florida. bond, wants a whopping $100,000. now no bond until florida cops take her home. she's already publicly stated crosiln hasn't come clean about the night haleigh vanishes. what else will she tell police now that she's behind bars? croslin's brother confesses in his own jailhouse interrogation. he goes to haleigh's house the night she goes missing, pounds on the door, nobody home. in a nother development, a woman caught on grainy surveillance video delivers a detailed tip as

to haleigh's location. police investigate. and we have the video. where, where, was new stepmother misty crosiln during the crucial hours when haleigh goes missing? and tonight where is haleigh? days of speculation have ended. misty croslin has been found. why did she go away and what does she know? >> we were told she was on a foray to one of the amusement parks. she was at universal studios with a friend and seen wearing a haleigh pendant around her neck. >> police know where to find misty. but misty doesn't want to speak with police. >> if people think i had something to do with it or i knew where she was, we wouldn't

be sitting here today. we would have her. >> a tip letter surfaces that gives specific directions to an alleged burial site where haleigh's body scan be found. just a few 100 yards from haleigh's home. stuffed in a garbage bag. >> the letter isn't very long, a paragraph that ends with someone's initials. but more than seven months after haleigh disappeared, it could contain information to help crack the case. >> you never know when the one is going to come in that will make the case. this could be it. >> misty's mother, lisa croslin, may be questioned again by authorities. why? and where is the investigation headed in the desperate attempt to find out what exactly happened to little haleigh. >> i have faith in god. to take care of my baby girl, and find her. i don't care who had something to do with it. those are the people who need to be put away. and tonight, live to nashville in the search of a 4-day-old baby boy snatched by a

woman posing as immigration. mommy answers the front door to be stabbed repeatedly. tonight, mommy makes a desperate plea from the hospital. to find her tiny boy. >> i heard a loud beating at the door. "please help me." >> federal agents and nashville police are searching for this missing newborn from tennessee. this 4-day-old was reportedly ripped from his mother's arms. >> the woman is covered with blood from her head to her toes. >> she said a woman showed up at her house posing as an immigration agent. the woman demanded her baby and then stabbed her when she refused to hand him over. >> when ms. carrillo said "who are you?" a struggle ensued. she was stabbed several times. >> she been slashed across the throat. >> perhaps this individual was obsessed with children. perhaps this individual had claimed to be pregnant for a long period of time but never was pregnant.

this person has to have friends or family who know some peculiarity about them. also, after 30 years hiding out in luxury in europe, a hollywood superstar finally behind bars. 30 years ago he admits to raping a 13-year-old little girl at the home of movie star jack nicholson. that little girl testified under oath he also forced anal sodomy on her. she was just 13. tonight, hollywood superstars coming out of the woodwork for polanski's release. they're, quote, shocked. they're shocked. well, they're not shocked he raped and sodomized a 13-year-old little girl, a girl he got drunk on champagne and quaaludes. no. they're shocked he's arrested. shame on hollywood. tonight polanski behind bars. lady justice comes through,

thank heaven, better late than never. there is a disturbing yet growing defense of roman polanski in this country. and it's coming from hollywood. a look at the list of high-profile people who are defending this superstar director. martin scorsese, woody allen, debra winger. >> we hope today this latest order will be dropped. it is based on a three-decade-old case that is all but dead except for a minor technicality. >> this is for me a shock, and i'm ashamed to be swiss, that swiss is doing such a thing to a brilliant, fantastic genius. >> evidence shows that he got a little girl drunk, he gave a little girl drugs, he sodomized a little girl. >> he wanted to take some pictures in the hot tub. i was in there topless. then he got in the hot tub.

that progressed to, you know, eventually why don't you come in here and lay down? into a very dark room. and that's when i really realized what his intentions were. >> she was 13. he was 43. he gave her champagne and a quaalude. she said no. he still went ahead and had unlawful sexual intercourse with her many different ways. >> despite that polanski continues to receive support from hollywood. good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. new stepmother misty croslin skips town after a bitter fight with haleigh's father, ronald cummings. tonight, police track her down. >> i'm just trying to do everything to find her. you know, answer any questions i have to. because i know i didn't do anything with -- to that little girl. i would never hurt her. >> cops say they're keeping a close watch on the last person to see haleigh alive. misty croslin. but misty has a lawyer and doesn't want to speak with police.

>> i've thought all along that she had something to do with it. and now this kind of just proves it. i mean, she's the last one to see our daughter, and her stories just don't add up. >> misty croslin left haleigh's dad, ronald cummings, for days. where did she go, and why did she just come back? >> she was a 16-year-old child whose job was to look after somebody else's two young children. and i can only imagine that this girl would want to get out and have some fun of some kind. >> this as authorities plan to question misty's mom, lisa croslin, with regard to haleigh's disappearance. as early as this week. but why? >> this mother, remember, came out against misty and said that she believed that her son was telling the truth and that misty was not. maybe they want to put her in jail so they can ask tough questions about why she came to such a conclusion. >> it's one paragraph long, typed, and has three letters at the bottom that resemble initials.

>> if the information is accurate, it's going to be pretty volatile. >> if they go out and look for the right person, maybe they would have the answers. they're trying to get all the answers from me that i don't have. >> straight out to t.j. hart, program and news director wsky, 97.3. t.j., thank you for being with us. t.j., how long was she actually gone? >> she was gone for the better part of a week. about six to eight days off and on. but she'd been in contact with her family and she's been accounted for. >> and t.j., why is she still refusing to talk to cops? they have told her they want to re-question her about the night haleigh goes missing. >> she has a standing invitation according to major bolling and others at the putnam county sheriff's office to come in anytime she wishes, come in and straighten out that timeline. her attorney has not made an offer to bring her in for

questioning and she has not gone in since the last time she went in for questioning for a week. >> we are taking your calls. live out to lakisha in indiana. hi, lakisha. >> caller: hi, nancy. i watch you every night. >> thank you. and thank you for calling in. what's your question, dear? >> caller: you're welcome, sweetheart. i was just wondering where is misty cummings tonight and if she's been in touch with ronald since she's been gone all this time. >> marlaina schiavo, what about it? >> misty is in the satsuma area. actually tonight she was with teresa's -- excuse me, she's with ronald's mother, teresa. >> now, when you say she's in the satsuma area, is she back in the home with haleigh's father, ronald cummings? >> yes. she lives in the home. she's back in the home with ronald at ronald's grandmother's. >> so you're telling me they're together? >> that's what i'm being told, nancy. >> so marlaina, after all this time, where had she been? i know she doesn't have a job.

ronald cummings has put so much effort into trying to find his missing 5-year-old daughter he has been let go from his job. how does she manage to stay down at disney world for a week in orlando, living it up at epcot? you know how much those tickets cost to get in? >> i do, nancy. and you know, she was with somebody. we don't know who she was with. we're told she was with a friend. but when i spoke to teresa, she said that those -- that the money and -- that went into this trip was paid for by someone she knows. so it was coming from somebody else. it wasn't coming from misty's funds. >> joining me right now is a special guest. teresa neves is with us tonight. this is haleigh's grandmother. miss neves, thank you for being with us. you have supported croslin from the get-go. why won't she speak to police tonight? >> miss nancy, that is a decision made by her attorney. she has gone in several times voluntarily, against his wish. i guess she is waiting on him to

say yes, let's do this.

>> somebody stole my child out of my bed. i come home from work, and my child was not there. >> i put her to bed and -- about 8:00. and i woke up and she was gone. and the back door was wide open. >> do you believe that misty was indeed home and that she's been telling the truth? >> yeah, i believe she's telling the truth. >> she is still the most important witness in this case. she's the last person to see the children. she was with them. she's an important person to be spoken to. >> they haven't left me alone for six months. i've been the one, the main focus. they just need to move on and look for the right person.

>> why are you so sure haleigh is still with us? >> because i stand on god's promise that if you pray and believe, that he will give you what you pray for. >> joining us right now is haleigh's grandmother. you just saw her. teresa neves. miss neves, does croslin, misty croslin, haleigh's stepmother, realize the firestorm she created by dropping out of sight for all these days in the midst of the search for haleigh? >> i do not think so, miss nancy. i don't think anyone thought that it would be that big a deal. there were arrangements made for her and ronald to do something with junior. those arrangements had to be changed, and misty just continued on with those plans without ronald and junior. >> then why couldn't anyone seem to tell us exactly where she was

during that time? >> i don't know why anyone couldn't tell you that, because i could tell you. >> really? there were so many conflicting reports about where she had been. miss neves, again, you are stating that you believe she's waiting for the okay from her lawyer to talk to police. >> yes, ma'am. >> okay. in light of the fact that her new stepchild, her little girl is missing and police want to talk to her, hopefully to clear up questions and find the child, don't you think she should be at the police station right now instead of waiting for a possible call from a lawyer? >> my personal opinion, that attorney should have made this trip six months ago. but i cannot tell that attorney how to do his job. >> but you can. i mean, she is with you. she is with you and ronald at

your home. you can. you and ronald can talk to her. >> yes, ma'am, we can. and we have. but we cannot make her attorney do anything. >> miss neves, she said at one juncture that she believes up to four people were in the home the night haleigh went missing but then chalked it up to a dreamlike interlude that she had. what does she say about that? who were the people in the home that evening? >> miss nancy, i have not seen that. i have asked her about it. she says that that did not happen. you know, if i haven't seen it and i can't prove it, then i can't actually confront her with something that she says did not happen. >> miss neves, i don't mean to grill you, but it just doesn't all fit together. you've got her brother claiming he came to the home that evening at 9:30 to 9:45. she said she didn't go to sleep

until 10:00 p.m. he says he banged on the door to get in touch with her and nobody came. how does she respond to that? was she really home? >> she still stands firm on the fact that she was at home. to me it's a very dysfunctional family, and that's the best way i can describe that. one minute they -- you know, they say one thing, and then the next minute they call and say, well, i was sorry, you know, i didn't mean to say that and we'll do better next time. so i just don't know what to think of the whole thing. >> we are taking your calls live. to valerie in canada. hi, valerie. >> caller: hi, nancy, how are you tonight? >> i'm good, dear, thank you for calling in. what's your question? >> caller: i'm just curious. do you think that perhaps haleigh's kidnapping could be some form of retaliation to perhaps money that misty may have been owing to the people she was allegedly partying with that weekend and -- >> good question.

we know that misty croslin was awol for three days prior, the three days just before the little girl goes missing. let's unleash the lawyers. susan moss, child advocate new york. renee rockwell, defense attorney atlanta. paul batista, renowned defense attorney, author of "death's witness." joining us from new york. renee rockwell, that only happens in the movies. all right? you don't steal somebody's child to get, for instance, a drug debt back. if they want money out of you, they come and break your knees. they chase you down and beat you up. that's how that works. would you agree or disagree? >> well, nancy, i do agree that that is a fantastic explanation as to where the child is. but when you're fooling around with drugs and you have people potentially taking drugs or drugs lying around, it's very easy to imagine that something may have gone amiss --

the suspect, a woman, knocked heavily on the door. the mother, maria garillo, answered the door. >> she told us the woman came to her door and said she was immigration and she was going to arrest her. and she asked her to identify herself, and the woman began to hit her and pulled out a knife and began to stab her. >> covered from blood to her head all the way down to her toes. >> she suffered nine stab wounds. >> got big holes in her neck from being stabbed. she had been slashed across the

throat. >> she was able to get out of the house and run across the street for help. and when she returned the baby was gone. >> she kept saying they're after me. i said we got you right here. you don't have to worry about them after you no more. >> an amber alert has been issued for missing yair carillo. >> who could stab new mom and take a 5-day-old baby like this. >> straight out to mark stewart with wsmz. a mother answers the door to whom she thinks is an immigration agent. the woman, the assailant is a woman? that's highly unusual, mark. who stabs the mother repeatedly. the face, the chest, the breast, all over her body. and snatches the 4-day-old baby? >> nancy, that does seem perhaps unlikely, but it's the only theory at least publicly that police are talking about. they say perhaps this woman knew that maria had just given birth to a son and perhaps followed her, targeted her, wanted a child herself and perhaps

orchestrated this attack. that's the leading theory, at least publicly, police are saying. and off the record, discussions with our sources, we're hearing nothing else. >> well, obviously, that is what happened, because the only thing she took was the baby boy. kate howard with the "tennessean." what can you tell me about the circumstances? >> there's not too much known about it at this time except for the fact this woman, the mother did not know the woman who came to her door that day. she said she had never seen her before in her life. and now of course police are looking into the possibility that she had in fact been followed, possibly by that woman earlier in the day although all they know is a car was following her, they don't know who was driving. >> with me right now is sharon kimble. she is joining us there in front of the home where the stabbing and kidnap of a 4-day-old baby boy took place. she helped the mother after the stabbing. out to sharon kimble joining us exclusively. miss kimble, thank you for being

with us. also with her, eric peterson, also a neighbor. miss kimble, what happened when the mom, when you first saw the mom following the stabbing? >> well, when she came to my door, she said please help me. she said someone -- a woman has stabbed me and she has taken my baby, she's going to kill my baby. >> miss kimble, when you first saw her, when you saw her, the mother, what did she look like? >> she was covered in blood. blood was gushing out of the side of her neck. it was coming down her face. it was all down her body. it was just dripping everywhere. >> miss kimble, this is an important question. did she have anything in the front yard like blue balloons or one of those stork posters or anything celebrating bringing the baby home? >> yes. it was something there saying a baby boy was born at a hospital.

new arrival. >> to eric peterson, also joining us there in nashville, tennessee. everyone, a young mother answers the door, to whom she thinks is immigration on a routine check. instead, she sees a woman who immediately there at the front door begins stabbing her repeatedly. why? to steal her 4-day-old infant. eric peterson is also joining us. eric, what can you add? >> oh, i just heard a loud beating at the door continuously. i finally answered the door, and this lady was completely covered in blood. all over. stuff was dripping all out of her hands. i thought it was a gag. i asked her, what's going on here? she said, "please help me." and i saw the fear in her. and then i knew something was going down.

>> what did she do? what, did she want to use your phone? what did she need? >> no. she wanted to come in and shut that door and told me to go get her kids. told me it was a white lady in the kitchen that was going to kill the newborn child. so i told her she couldn't come in dripping blood like that. i told her hold on, let me go get somebody to take care of you. so i immediately went and got miss kimble from out back. and miss kimble started attending to her. then i asked her if -- what type of weapon did the lady have. it was obvious that she had been hit with a butcher knife, but i wanted to make sure. once i found out what type of weapon she had, i immediately went around the house and got my dog, and we went down to the house. >> so eric -- eric peterson, eric, hold on. hold on. i know you're outside and there's traffic going by. mr. peterson, you actually went back to the house, and you thought the lady with the knife

may still be in there? >> oh, yes, ma'am. i just knew she was in there. but when i got down there, it was a lady in a gray two-door honda tried to run over me and the dog. i really didn't pay that much attention to her. she was a white lady, brown hair in a ponytail, and she went on by real quick after she tried to hit me. >> now, wait a minute. you're saying it was a honda and what color? >> it was a gray honda. two-door. all grayish. >> okay. dark -- >> like it's been sitting in the sun. >> oh, so light gray? >> dark gray. light gray. like it's been sitting in the sun for a long time. >> to clark goldband, our producer story. the lookout on the car that i have is a black four-door sedan that may look like a police car. but he's telling me something

completely different. you are seeing video of the mother at the hospital begging for the return of her infant child just 4 days old. clark, what about the discrepancy? peterson is telling me it's a light gray honda, two-door. >> now, nancy, to complicate things a little more, a press conference just wrapped up a few moments ago where law enforcement said they're also searching for a kia spectra that was seen in the area in a walmart parking lot just hours before the attack on the mom. they believe that person may be a witness. there has been some discrepancy on that vehicle you had talked about. law enforcement still trying to sort that out. but they believe it is the four-door black sedan that looks like a police vehicle. >> okay. back to eric peterson, the lookout on the female that i've got is a white female, a white woman about 30 years old, 5'4", heavyset, blonde hair pulled back into a ponytail, black blouse, blue jeans. does that fit the description

that you observed, eric peterson? >> i come very close to that car, me and my dog. i seen a white woman. how old she was, i could not tell you. but she wasn't very old. i can say that. >> to dr. evelyn manaya, an expert in her field, the condition of this 4-day-old child -- when my twins were 4 days old, they were still in the icu. >> that's right, nancy. that's right. you know, the condition of this poor child is that obviously the child has to be taken care of. it can get dehydrated, as you already know, very fast. and you even pointed out on monday's show that the baby needs to be always on its back. now, he looks a little heavy. the baby looks like he's about eight something, eight pounds nine ounces, eight pounds ten ounces or so. so you know, he also needs to be fed more frequently. so that means every two hours. and it's very important. not only that. they're more susceptible to infections. everything. you know? >> got it.

to susan moss. this is not the first time that a female has done violence to get a baby. weigh in, susan moss. >> absolutely. unfortunately, it is not uncommon. mom was stabbed, the child was grabbed, and this perp needs to be nabbed. luckily, law enforcement is taking this very, very seriously. and i don't think anyone in this community is going to rest until the perps are brought to justice. >> paul batista, i guess your defense is going to be insanity? >> well, we haven't met her yet, nancy. we have to figure out who she is and what she's like -- >> when did that ever stop you? >> but it is a possible defense, nancy. it depends on who the perpetrator is. >> all right. we'll all be right back. we're taking your calls live. to tonight's safety tip. criminals target anybody. but with preparation you can be one step ahead and prevent a mugging. if possible, don't travel alone. groups deter muggers. avoid unfamiliar locations. stay alert and aware of your surroundings. it's so easy to become blase. don't make yourself a target. keep valuables out of sight. don't flash expensive jewelry.

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it's vitally important that the community be on the lookout for an individual, for a woman, who has a child inexplicably. a person who was not pregnant but all of a sudden is carrying around a child who meets this particular child's description. the abductor once again is described as a heavyset white

woman, approximately 5'4" tall who had her blonde hair in a ponytail on tuesday afternoon. we're also being told that she spoke some spanish. >> it's not the first time a woman has committed violence, although it's extremely rare for women to commit this type of violence, especially in order to steal a baby. lisa montgomery killed bobbie jo stinnett, cut the child out of her body. peggy jo conner, clubbing pregnant neighbor to get the baby. effie goodson, michelle beeker, karina roberts, tiffany hall, andrea dimament. the list goes on and on and on. violence inflicted by women to get babies. and to you, paul batista. you're saying you haven't met her, so you don't know what the defense is going to be. it's always insanity. come on, tell the truth. you've got eric peterson, the neighbor, she tries to run him down.

he got a good look at her. the victim lived. i'm sure she regrets that, the perpetrator regrets that. everybody saw her. she has nowhere to go. so her defense cannot be not guilty unless it's not guilty by reason of insanity. >> well, nancy, obviously any competent lawyer who finally meets this client is going to have to really explore that defense. and it may be the only defense. >> put him back up on the screen. >> but it depends on what she is really like. >> she is really like? a kidnapper and a would-be murderer. that's what she's really like. >> the fact that it's a heinous crime does not mean necessarily, nancy, that she's insane within the meaning of the law. it has to be evaluated. >> you know what? you know what? i know that. i'm worried that you don't know that. but thank you for clearing that up, paul batista. caryn stark, help me out. i need a shrink. >> okay, nancy. even though it's unusual for

women to be violent, not baby snatchers. they are desperate. these are people who really believe this is their baby, and they're going to kill in order to have their baby. they've convinced themselves that they're determined, they're allowed to have this baby. >> and they're also convinced that they would make a better mother. you know, after covering all of these stories, there was no way i was going to put a sign up, a balloon. nothing in the front yard when i brought the twins home. i brought them home with a blanket over their head. i want to go back to marc klaas. what do we do to find the baby, marc klaas? >> well, first of all, you know, these kinds of crimes used to happen in hospitals until hospitals clamped down on security. and now they're happening in the community. what we have to do is stop advertising the fact that we have newborn babies in our homes because, as you said, these kinds of crimes are happening with increasing regularity and we're covering one every couple of months. and this just can't be. these mothers deserve to be at home with their little children so they can raise them in a

loving and a nurturing environment. >> marc klaas, you are preaching to the choir. after reading this story, i guarantee you i'm going to be up pacing the house all night looking out the windows. okay. very quickly, i want to go to sheryl mccollum. you're the director of the cold case squad. how would you go about finding this baby and solving this case? >> you're going to tell the public to pay attention. any friend or family member that's giving you some bogus story about why they suddenly have a baby, it's bogus. call the authorities. >> so now we're relying on the public. everyone, the tip number, 615-862-8600. mommy's in the hospital covered with would-be fatal wounds. this 4-day-old baby boy is with a psychotic would-be killer. 615-862-8600. don't be tricked by the fact the perpetrator is a woman.

we are switching gears very quickly and taking your calls. a famous hollywood megastar collides with lady justice. take a listen. >> fellow filmmakers are rallying behind oscar winner roman polanski as his attorneys file a motion to have him released. >> he photographed me topless. he'd seen me topless. i just was thinking, well, this is very european, it must be all right. >> in all, 138 people including directors woody allen, pedro almodovar, and martin scorsese, among others in the film industry, signed a petition against his arrest. >> i said no. i didn't fight him off. i said, no, no, i don't want to go in there. no, i don't want to do this. no. and then i didn't know what else to do. we were alone. >> recently unsealed grand jury testimony included a 13-year-old victim's story of being plied with champagne, part of a quaalude, then being raped and sodomized by a 43-year-old man. >> i need to go home because i'm not feeling well.

and then that progressed to, you know, eventually, why don't you come in here and lay down? into a very dark room. and that's when i really realized, you know, what his intentions were. >> now, after 30 years after roman polanski, the megastar hollywood director, admits under oath he raped a 13-year-old girl, her sworn testimony is that he also anally raped her, he's finally arrested after 30 years hiding out in his luxury chalet in europe. and hollywood is shocked? eh, eh. they're shocked he's arrested. why weren't they shocked when he raped a 13-year-old girl he had high on champagne and quaaludes? that's my question tonight. tom o'neil, senior editor "in touch weekly," hit me. >> 138 filmmakers disagree with you, nancy. and with me. they signed this petition that demands his immediate release because he was nabbed unfairly, they say.

that he was en route to a film festival. and -- >> what's unfair about that? >> i know. they say that there's something sacred about film festivals, that -- >> who is they? woody allen, who is that's an endorsement. martin score says, penelope cruz, tilda swinton, who am i missing? david lynch. they are petitioning who for his release? >> they are petitioning the government of switzerland to let him go because he was nabbed unfairly from a cultural event. those should be exempt from police nabs. it's interesting but faulty, at film festivals like canis, they

let guerilla outlaws, those are set aside for filmmakers that come into a country, not criminal charges like this. this director admitted he raped a girl 13 years old.