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tonight, a 5-year-old florida girl, tucked into bed. five hours later she's gone. daddy comes home from the night shift to find not a trace of little haleigh. police say the last person to see haleigh alive refuses to give straight answers about the night the child goes missing. unable to account for crucial hours surrounding the alleged kidnap. in a stunning twist, the brother of girlfriend turned stepmom misty croslin confesses he goes to haleigh's house the night she goes missing. pounds on the door repeatedly. nobody home. croslin's own mother and father also publicly state they doubt
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her story. as girlfriend turned stepmother misty croslin flunks another polygraph, where is little haleigh?
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>> how are you doing right now? >> i just want her to come home. i want to find her. >> i know that you're 17, i can't even imagine at my age going through this. >> it's horrible. >> it's very hurtful. very. >> i know -- i know at first it seems like a lot of people that have been kind of like, i don't understand how this could be the situation where you don't hear her. did you hear anything? >> i didn't hear anything at
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all, nothing. if i heard something, i would have got up and i wouldn't have let them take her. >> so what happened? >> okay. i put her to bed about, you know 8:00. that's her bedtime. she had school. i put her to bed. and her blanket and my blanket. my blanket was on the vanity hook. so we had a blanket hanging on the window and i had to wash that and her blanket, her blanket -- she had peed on her blanket the night before i guess. i was going to put it on her. it smelled like pee. i washed the blanket and i gave her a little sheet to cover up with and she fell asleep. i put a blanket on her. then i laid down. and about -- i'm not positive what time, it was like 3:00, you know, i seen 3:00. 3:00 in the morning i got up. i got up because i had to use the bathroom but i didn't make it to the bathroom. i seen the kitchen light on and i walked in the kitchen and the back door's wide open and i didn't notice about haleigh not being there until i had seen the back door and i went over and she's gone and that's all i know.
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is when i woke up -- when i went to sleep she was there. and then when i woke up, she was gone. >> i know you've been intensively questioned by police. what has that been like for you? >> it's been hard. but i'm trying to do everything to find her. you know i'm answering any questions i have to cause i know i didn't do anything to that little girl. i would never hurt her. i mean they love me. i mean, they look at me like their mom, you know? you ask little jimmy he'll tell you. they talk lovely about me and i'm so good to them kids, real good. >> so you woke up and that was it. you saw the door open. did you leave the light on or -- >> no. >> somebody turned the light on? >> the lights had to get turned on because i know them lights -- i was in the hallway where the back door is. the dryers are right there. i was washing clothes and that back door was shut, you know? and i just, like, opened. it's open. >> did you take the polygraph?
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>> i did. but i'm not supposed to talk about that. >> uh-huh. >> they told me not to talk about that. >> but you did go? >> yes, i did take a polygraph. >> and you passed it? >> i mean, my understanding is that i passed it, you know? >> what do you want people to know? >> i just want everybody to know that i didn't do anything with that little girl. i loved her like she's my own. and i'll do anything to get her back. and if people think that i have something do with it, if i had something do with it, if i knew where she was, we wouldn't be sitting here today. we'd have her. and i don't -- i don't know where she is. >> she's a sweet baby, i can tell. >> she is so sweet. she's a smart little girl. she's intelligent, you know? she's a real good girl. a real good girl. >> what is your heart? you said you think of her like your daughter. >> like my daughter. >> what does your heart tell you right now? >> just tells me i need to find her, you know? i mean, find her. >> you believe she's still out
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there? >> yeah, i do believe she's still out there. somebody has her. i mean i don't want to think of the bad, you know? that runs through my mind, but i don't want to think of the bad. >> what about this worker that was at the house? >> the a.c.? my brother was -- the a.c. guy had come and my brother had come ten minutes after the a.c. guy. me and my brothers and the kids and my nephews were out there. the kids were all playing in the yard. haleigh was on her bike, doing wheelies. having fun with my nephews and the a.c. guy, he was in the house by himself. we didn't go in the house. i didn't go in the house with him. i sat on the front porch for a little while. >> you don't suspect him? >> i mean, i don't know. i mean, they talked to him, and you know, they -- they said that they -- >> why would someone want to do this? i mean do you think any reason they would want to do this to you or to your boyfriend? >> i don't know. i mean, we're good people. we don't, you know?
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we don't really have friends, you know? i really don't know a lot of people in palatka. i know a couple of girls you know? they're not my friends. they're just there. i hang out with them when i need to get away. i know i shouldn't hang out with them, but sometimes i just need a break. >> yeah. >> and i go hang out with them but not no more. >> you said a brick. a brick that had propped up? >> there was a brick, like a cinder block, that was holding the screen door open. and that brick -- that back door was always closed. i had never seen that brick around there. the cops said there was a whole bunch of bricks about 50 feet away. but i'd never seen any bricks at all. >> so somebody propped open the screen door with a brick? >> yeah. >> okay. so bring her home. >> yeah. i just want her to come home. that's it. and i just want her to be okay
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and whoever has her i just want them to bring her home. just safe. >> calm down. >> i just want her to come home safe. i thank everybody out there that's helping us, you know? we really, really appreciate it. that everybody's helping us, you know? just if anybody knows anything, please call us and let us know. let the detectives know. we just want her home, that's it. >> are you a really sound sleeper? >> usually haleigh will wake up, at night time. she gets cramps in her legs, you know? and i have to rub her legs to get the cramps out of her legs to get her back to sleep. and you know, she didn't make a sound that night. i would had woke up if i had heard a noise. i didn't hear anything at all. i was really exhausted that day, you know? really exhausted.
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when i laid down, i guess, i, i was out. >> did she -- there's no way she could have wandered off? >> no, she is scared of the dark. she would not go anywhere by herself. she would not -- not by herself. >> do you think that something happened and you just didn't hear it? >> yeah, i didn't hear, and i wish i did because i wouldn't had let no one take her. >> are you blaming yourself? >> i just know, like, i feel like that, you know, i wish that they would have took me instead of her because i could had fought. you know she's only 5. she can't really do anything and i just wish they would had taken me instead of her. what do they want with a little 5-year-old? >> uh-huh. anything else that you want to say, misty? >> i want her home. if anybody knows where she is, please bring her home. safe. that's it. i just want her home. next, exclusive with haleigh's father, ronald cummings.
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as the desperate search for a 5-year-old florida girl, haleigh cummings goes on, investigators bring haleigh's father, ronald cummings, in for intense questioning about phone calls.
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calls made in the hours leading up to haleigh's disappearance. cummings trying desperately to reach new stepmother misty croslin that night, at least 20 calls. no answer. croslin's brother thrown behind bars on a gun charge. confessing to police, he goes to haleigh's house the very night she goes missing. pounds on the door, over and over, nobody home. where was new stepmother misty croslin during those crucial hours? >> it's been more than seven months since anyone has seen little haleigh cummings' bright smile or heard her laugh. and now we're getting new information from investigators about the night the 5-year-old was last seen. police now say haleigh's dad, ronald cummings, called misty croslin repeatedly while he was at work and no one answered. then, according to deputies, cummings called down to her family's home just down the street looking for her and talked with her brother.
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>> hank says that he answered that call from ronald, which we know was made. he says, he answered it. and it was ronald saying "go check on misty." and he says that he complied with that request. and misty did not answer the door. the house was dark and quiet. >> our cameras were rolling after hank croslin jr, misty's brother, was taken from his jail cell to be questioned by police. that's when deputies say croslin's brother told them, it looked like no one was home that night. >> he demonstrated to us loudly and for a few seconds, and then he waited around, you know, to presumably see if someone was going to be roused that they were sleeping or whatever. he made -- he tells us, that he made a good effort to see if someone was home. >> major gary bowling says croslin's interview had nothing to do with the search of this pond. but he says the interview does cast more doubt on misty's story. that she was home watching movies with the two kids. >> what we need is for misty to come down here and tell us the
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truth. >> he says that's why they've released this new information. >> we know that it applies to pressure in the area. where pressure needs to be applied and that's on misty. misty can relieve this pressure. we need to go down to the sheriff's office and really lay out in clear terms what i was doing from 8:00 p.m. until 3:00 a.m. >> to ronald cummings, joining us tonight. he is haleigh's father. he's joining us exclusively since this arrest. ronald, what do you make of it? >> ms. nancy, i don't know what to make of it. i just don't know what -- i don't know what to think. >> well, what is the brother-in-law telling you? what are you hearing from misty's family? >> ms. nancy, we don't have much contact with the family. misty has an injunction. so we don't have any contact with them. >> to terry shoemaker the attorney for ronald cummings. do you believe he was taken into
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custody in order to put pressure on him to find out what he may or may not know about haleigh's disappearance? >> well, you know like was just said, i know $50,000 is very high bond for a grand theft, you know? so i would imagine they're looking at every angle they can. and if they think that they can put a little weight on him and get him to talk about anything he might know i'm sure they're going do that. >> now, let me ask you this. back to you, ronald cummings. you say that no more communications with misty croslin's family. what is misty croslin telling you? is there any possibility that she left the home that evening and hasn't told you? >> if there is a possibility of it, i don't know anything about it. >> when we come back, inside the home where 5-year-old haleigh cummings vanishes into thin air.
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thrown behind bars on a gun charge. we learn the brother of new stepmother, misty croslin, confesses during a late-night jailhouse interrogation. he goes to haleigh's house the night she goes missing. pounds on the door, desperately. nobody home. this, a full seven months after haleigh goes missing. then a letter surfaces. outlining details of a drug-fueled party where little haleigh, allegedly, accidentally ingests the heavy-duty painkiller, oxycontin and dies. cops call the letter a farce publicly, but still investigate and interrogate. this, after girlfriend-turned-stepmother, misty croslin, reportedly flunks
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yet another polygraph. ronald, what do you make of misty flunking a polygraph? >> i don't know anything about her flunking a polygraph. i know what's been said about it. i'm not a polygrapher myself so i didn't see any results. i didn't get to, you know? i was told by the polygrapher who did the polygraph that it's not judged in percentages. that the polygraph is either a failed or a pass, not in a percentages. >> well, okay. let's take with what you know. that you either fail it or you passed it. well, according to these reports she flunked it. i mean royally flunked it. and that's got to concern you. >> well, until i see more physical proof of what's going on, ms. nancy, there's -- my concerns are still on keeping haleigh's face on the tv and being sure that she is found.
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and whoever has done this to her is put away. >> okay, ronald, i understand that you want to keep haleigh's face out there. we are doing that. but i know you. and i do not believe you are not concerned about a report that your wife flunked a polygraph. it would concern me. >> nancy, if i may, of course ronald's concerned about a lot of things going on right now, but i think the main thing he's concerned about is making sure that haleigh's found. and again, we would like to thank you for keeping haleigh in the spotlight, making sure everyone continues to look for her, and helping us every way that you possibly can. now, we're more concerned with that aspect, rather than whether or not misty may or may not have done well on a polygraph. >> you know, mr. shoemaker, you
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have an excellent reputation. and what you just said does not make one ounce of sense. of course you want her picture out there. of course you want the help of the media. but for the last person known to have seen haleigh alive, to have reportedly flunked a polygraph, how you can suggest that is not a major concern, you want to find her, you want to find haleigh, then find out why misty reportedly flunked a polygraph. gentlemen, does that not make sense to you? ronald cummings, i would like to hear it from you. >> nancy, what you're saying makes perfect sense to me, but why is law enforcement -- i'm not law enforcement. i can't interfere with their investigation. i can't do anything about a polygraph or any results. >> well, what is she telling you, ronald? what is she telling you? she took that police polygraph. i don't believe that she passed it the first time. i don't believe she did. now this one. then there was that voice stress test. something is wrong with her story, ronald.
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>> i don't know, ms. nancy. >> ronald, i know that your heart's desire is to bring her home alive. i'll never forget the first time i heard your 911 call. and i think that is exactly the way i would have reacted. if i came home and the twins were gone, and i want to know what you want to tell the viewers tonight. >> i want to tell them to keep haleigh's face out there and if you have any information leading to her disappearance, to call it in. it don't matter who it hurts. and i want to let everyone know that i'm not hiding anything for anybody. and if somebody has something to do with it, let them fry, so be it. whoever it might be, that's who it is, let's bring haleigh home. >> ronald, why did police question misty croslin's brother
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and sister-in-law? what was that all about? they kept them for hours. >> ms. nancy, i don't have a clue what they questioned them about. i'm not allowed around them. >> that's right, i understand. ronald, what do you believe is being done now in the search for haleigh? i know that they've just finished another search around your home. and they did that because your wife, misty croslin, directed them to a particular spot. >> well i'm happy that they're still searching. i hope that they found my child alive, obviously. but one way or another i want my daughter to come home. >> ronald you said -- >> i need some closure. >> -- you said that you don't care who it hurts and that you're not covering for anybody. >> that's right. >> okay. and i assume, from knowing you, that you mean that. so my question to you tonight is, now that you have been told whether you accept it or not that your wife has flunked a
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poly have you asked her what's happened? what does she tell you? i mean i saw her on the "today" show, and they asked her, why did you give two different stories? and she said, i don't know. that doesn't make sense. >> i asked her, but i don't get any answers from her about, you know -- i don't see what -- what she's telling me is not inconsistent. >> okay. and what is it she tells you? what is her story about what happened that night? >> the same thing that she's telling police or whoever that she went to bed -- she put haleigh to bed. done some laundry. went to bed. and woke up to the door propped open. >> ronald, you and i have been on this story from the very, very beginning. and i don't even like asking the medical examiner questions like that. while i know you are listening,
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because you're holding out the hope, as i am, that she is alive. >> yeah. >> once again, i want you to make a plea to the viewers tonight, everyone the tip line is 888-277-8477. go ahead, ronald. >> please, whoever who knows anything about haleigh's disappearance, anything about where she might be now or anything about anything from february 9th to february 10th of 2009, please call the crimestoppers of the putnam county sheriff's office. >> and please know, ronald, that you are in our thoughts and prayers, as is little haleigh. ms. neves, at one point i recall that junior, the little brother, has stated that there were other people in the home that evening. what do you recall about his statement? >> junior's initial statement to
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the law enforcement was that he saw a man in black, i believe was what they said. >> yes. >> and then it changed, you know? but he didn't change it. other people changed it. >> yes. ms. neves, what do you make of this letter? do you put any stock in it? >> nancy, i'm like you. i do not think that many people with a $70,000 reward are going to sit at home and not say anything. i do not believe for one second that my granddaughter would take something like that because of the taste of it. just simply for that fact. >> we're all throwing around legal theories and this letter, and whether it's true or not. what is your message tonight? >> i believe haleigh is alive. i have faith in god to take care of my baby girl in finding her. and i don't care who had something to do with it. those are the people who need to be put away and bring my baby
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girl home. >> ms. neves, why are you so sure haleigh is still with us? >> because i stand on god's promise that if you pray and believe that he will give you what you pray for. >> ms. neves, tell me how ronald is holding up. i mean, he comes on our show frequently. and he's always so strong. how is he holding up? >> he's not as strong at home as he is on tv. but he has to be strong for junior, you know? so he does the best that he can. he keeps his crying to his self at night and tries to make junior happy until haleigh comes home.
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>> how is junior? does he even realize at this juncture that haleigh is gone. >> junior thinks that haleigh is lost and she's finding her way home. he actually drew her a map so she could find her way home. but he doesn't realize the longevity, i think, of it. >> you know, i focus so much on where is haleigh, what happened that night? you know junior has been lost in the mix. i cannot imagine, god forbid the thought, that i would ever have to explain to one of the twins where the other one was. why they were not at home. what do you tell him? >> that angels are watching haleigh. and she'll be home soon. >> ms. neves, when you hear about, for instance, this letter -- >> yes, ma'am.
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>> -- how does that affect you? whether you believe it or don't believe it, when you hear there might be a break in the case. >> ms. nancy, we would love to have a break in this case. and we really would not care who it implicates as long as it brings haleigh back to us. you know this letter is a little far-fetched, i think, because haleigh doesn't like medicine. and oxycontin, i've had to take it. i think it's a very nasty taste. and i can't imagine haleigh taking it. so -- but you know, anything that would bring haleigh home, that's what we want. >> with me is teresa neves, this is haleigh's paternal grandmother. ms. neves, you stand very strongly behind misty croslin's story. what do you make of police saying that she has the answers? >> i have to leave the investigative part of this to
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law enforcement. because, you know, if i go with every whim and every accusation then i'm going to be flipping back in forth in my life. and what we stand -- you know, we just stand for haleigh here. we just want haleigh to come home. and i want them to find whoever this is. and i don't care who it is. but we want haleigh to come home.
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misty croslin, when asked about what she thought of the new attorney in orlando, she was positive. >> i think they're going to be
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able to help. >> miller said she told him she wanted to clear his name. >> did you intentionally with hold any information regarding haleigh's disappearance? her answer was no? she failed it miserably with a 99% deception. >> miller says croslin cummings wanted to do more, so she took a voice analysis test. she failed that too and was uncooperative with a hypnotist. she gave the information to the sheriff's office. >> it indicated that she was -- deception indicated is the official statement, which is no surprise to us. we've said all along that misty has been inconsistent in her statements. and i agree with the point that was made by tim miller's investigator, which is that misty's consistency is inconsistency. >> misty signed a paper saying she had an attorney who did not
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want her to take the test. her attorney says she told him she was pressured to take the test. investigators say there's nothing at this point to charge misty with regarding haleigh's disappearance. >> we think she needs to tell us some things but that's about as far as we're willing to go with a statement. but we're going to stop short of saying therefore we have probable cause to make an arrest. we don't. if we did, we probably would have. >> the mother of missing florida girl 5-year-old haleigh, also with her the grandmother, haleigh's grand mother, crystal sheffield, marie griffith, thank you for being with us. first to you, crystal. what do you make of the recent developments, the developments especially about misty croslin flunking a polygraph?
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>> well, i thought all along she had something to do with it. and now this kind of just proves it. >> why do you say you thought all along that? >> her stories just don't add up. everything she says is crazy. i mean, it's like the cops say, they're inconsistent. >> have you talked to ronald about the inconsistencies? >> i've said something to him about her recently, and he pretty much was like, what do you want me to do? so -- >> what did you say to him? i mean, his response kind of -- to interpret it depends on what you said to him. what did you say to him? >> i told him how i felt about her test results, and i told him i really didn't want to be around her anymore, like when i
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pick our son up. and he was just like, what you want me to do? so maybe we can talk about it. >> you mentioned that misty croslin's first polygraph, the one administered by police, was full of inconsistencies. how did you find that out? >> no, not the polygraph, just her story. i know nothing about the polygraph from the police. they have not revealed that. >> okay, why did you -- where did you learn that what she told police was full of inconsistencies? >> umm, the -- it was on your show actually. i think it was one of the investigators. he said that we've known all along that her stories was full of inconsistencies. >> to you, miss griffith. thank you for being with us. you stated that at the very beginning you doubted croslin's story. why? >> because of the inconsistencies with the bed,
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and who was sleeping in what bed. there was four different stories. >> what were the four stories? >> one minute all three of them were in the same bed. >> one minute all three of them were in the same bed. then, haleigh was on a different of bed and it was just her and butterbean. butterbean is junior, by the way. then, he was in a totally different room, other than her and haleigh. it just kept getting bigger and bigger. >> what, if anything, have you been told about her police polygraph. >> that they were full of inconsistencies. >> such as? >> such as her timeline. they couldn't figure out whether
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she was or was not at home. one right after another. it's all mind-boggling. >> to crystal sheffield, haleigh's mother. recently, she suggested up to four people were in the home that evening. have you heard that version? >> no, the only thing i've heard was about the ac guy and her brother that stopped by.
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>> somebody stole my child it is not like a bicycle or a car, somebody stole my child from me. >> i just ask whoever's got her to bring her home. that's all i want is my baby home. >> she gave me a hug and a kiss. loved on me, told me she loved me and she would see me when i got home. >> she's a daddy's girl.
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>> and she wasn't there when i got home. >> she's the most precious thing in our life. we want her to come home. >> i love you very much. we will find you. god will bring you home. >> haleigh, if you are out there, mommy loves you and your daddy loves you and we miss you. and we will be right here. please, whoever has her, please, bring her home. please, we need her. me and her daddy both need her. please just bring her back. haleigh, i love you. your daddy loves you. we all love you. please just bring her home. >> let's stop and remember army
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first lieutenant tyler parton, 24, jonesboro, arkansas. a west point grad fluent in arabic, awarded the global war on terrorism service medal and combat action badge. loved his god, country, fellow soldiers, writing, music, traveling. leaves behind grieving parents, dave and lona, brother, daniel. tyler parton, american hero. thanks to our guests, but especially to you being with you us. i'll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp eastern. next, a special cnn heroes announcement. until tomorrow night, good night, friend.
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