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extended family. they were worried for kara's safety. and their worst fears obviously came through as the young girl died before going to a doctor. we're taking your calls on this, 1-877-tell-hln. let's go to the phones. randy with us in north carolina. randy, go ahead. >> caller: yeah, i just wanted to make the comment that the parents only getting six months, it's neglect. all it is is neglect. and if i was to whip my kid, and make a mark with a belt or
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something, i'd get more than six months to make a mark. and they don't take her to the doctor or anything. i go to church every sunday, but my kid will always, anytime my kids are sick, they go to the doctor, i do what the doctor says. it's like locking them in the closet and forgetting about them. >> what about the punishment itself, doug? >> the caller makes an excellent point. which is kind of the logical next step in the analysis, mike, which is that because of the view of religion and religious beliefs, the courts have tended to hand down what i call sort of midway sentences. eric's point is, i mean, if you accept that they honestly and sincerely believed that this would help their child, then there's really no intent to harm. but what i was explaining earlier is, as you said, it has to give way. and another philosophical question is, do they have the right to automatically impose that on their child to the point where the child dies? >> yeah. good questions. there's a ton of them out there.
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let's get wendy in on this. wendy, we're -- the couple is showing no remorse, even through all this. almost using -- >> i am dying to get in here. >> help us with their mind-set. who understands it, not many. >> i have one word for you. delusion. delusional, mike. first of all, religion performs a very important psychological function in our culture. it gives us a sense of community, moral teaching, comfort in our own fear of dying. but if you think god is a trauma center who will step in and take care of things, come on, a priest told me this in a homily once, you know the old story of the guy who is drowning and three boats come by and he says, no, i have faith and god will save me. when he eventually saves me, he said, god, i prayed, and he said, i sent you three boats, you dummy. >> right. help us out. >> it is a kind of delusion. >> so then when they get in the courtroom and led me read mom's
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statement. no regrets. she writes, judge howard had a difficult task before him today in sentencing us but he was wise to consider our children's well-being and thrilled with this decision to allow us to stay as a family unit which was our main concern. the judge also realizes that jail time will not reform us, because he has witnessed our faith runs very deep. dad same mentality. he almost used the courtroom like a pulpit, talking about his faith. for them, it's, what, their girl is a martyr and they're going to continue on in this? >> guess what else that judge did, though, sentenced them to getting good medical care and regular checkups for the other kids. yeah, he's maybe respecting their faith, but he's also saying, hey, it is neglect. like the gentleman caller who said a few minutes ago, if you lock your child in a closet and neglect them and do it unintentionally pause you think it's best for your children, you still get stepsed, right? >> eric, did the judge get that part of it right, in the sense they're going to make, i believe a nurse go there to check on the
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other kids every three months. they have to take them to the doctor when they get sick. your thoughts? >> absolutely. i think once the family is convicted, the judge did do a very good balancing act in terms of handing out the sentence of the he didn't send them to prison like a murder case. i love the comment that the parents are delusional. to some extent, aren't all religious beliefs delusional, that somebody died 2,000 years ago -- >> wait a mist. >> if we go down the path of saying somebody's faith is incorrect, aren't we then on a slippery slope to say it's possible all faithful beliefs have the possibility of being also incorrect? >> so that's -- okay. what about that? eric's been bringing up -- playing pretty good devil's advocate, no pun intended on this one. your thoughts on that? because he's raising that, because where do we override faith is what he's saying, right? >> he's a good lawyer and he knows how to argue a position,
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and my hat's off to him. not to be a broken record, the reality is, you know, faith is a perfectly acceptable thing that we can debate all day long. but you draw a line, again, where a child dies under the care of their own parent, because of their beliefs. again, you can agree or disagree with it. and then i take the side of our psychological or psychiatric analyst, and say that it does become delusional. >> we lost somebody there. who did we lose? did we loser rick? if we lost eric, wouldn't it be appropriate? it is. someone might be talking, eric. guys, great discussion. wendy, doug, we appreciate it. >> someone intervened. >> that's right, someone intervened. this story here, new barbie doll coming out designed to look more like african-american women. mattel says the new line is more realistic. and we're back at this one again. 30 students at one school
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accused of sexting the naked pictures back and forth. what are we going to do with these kids. call in, 1-877-tell-hln. team shirts, commentators, cheerleaders, trophies, fierce opposition. it has all the makings of a championship event. but this is no ordinary competition. >> what's going on here today is the largest wii bowling senior championship ever held. >> reporter: texan plus, one of the houston area's largest hmos that came together with a nifty after 50, to get these seniors moving in a high-tech way. using nintendo's wii video game bowling system. >> we have 600 participants who are bowling. and they brought with them another 1,500 family and friends. >> reporter: but it's more than just a fun way to stay in shape. these seniors could also be saving themselves from a major medical concern. according to the centers for disease control and prevention,
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almost every woman and girl has had or wanted, but for african-americans it's been tough to find a barbie that looks like them. but when the first black barbie debuted, that was in 1981. she basically had white features. an actress has a little perspective.
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>> historically the afro-centric features have not always been celebrated. in this, it makes women not just black women, but i think all women kind of go, especially black women, because it is about us, but for all of us, it makes us question the integrity of our beauty standards for ourselves, and what really motivates us to make certain choices. >> joining me now, stacey mcbride irving. created the so in line style barbie, features dolls that are a lot different from the black barbie you may remember. stacey, thank you for joining us. if people are going to just kind of be looking and passing they're going to think we're playing with dolls, this is a lot more than just playing with dolls. this is a long time coming. tell me what was in your mind as you were designing these dolls. if you felt any pressure when you were designing these dolls. >> no pressure. the dolls came from a positive place. i was reliving my childhood, watching my 6-year-old daughter
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play with her dolls. and i wanted dolls that represented her and african-american women in our community. and i wanted the dolls to reflect what we see in our families or around. >> what do you want people to see when they see these dolls? and explain why these dolls have little girls with them. >> i wanted them to see themselves. they have fuller lips, fuller nose, and they have curly hair, and features that represent us. and they also have a positive message. these dolls are mentors. these are teenage dolls. and they also mentor these little sisters in their community. >> okay. and we're going to address one thing off the bat that critics have said. i want to read a statement from gail parrish, a play right and mother. she immediately goes to the hair as many black women do. let's be honest. she said, why are we always pushing the standard of long
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hair on our girls? why couldn't one of the dolls have a little short afro or shorter braids or something? because one thing that you were sure to do, they're all different skin tones. so any young african-american girl could find a doll that looks like her in that aspect. but they all do seem to have long hair. all african-american women don't have long hair. do you feel that you missed the mark on that? >> i feel like i put my heart within these dolls, and dolls are for girls to play with. they love combing the long, beautiful hair. these are dolls. but i did represent that in the little sister kiana. she hat little curly afro puffs. >> do you get why that matters so much to the african-american community? i know some people who are watching, they just say, why are they making such a big deal about dolls? but do you know -- do you get why the dolls mean so much to people? >> they mean so much to me, because they did come from a positive place. my daughter loves the dolls.
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i've had dads thank me for creating this line of dolls that represent their little girls. >> i would assume that mattel and you aren't targeting these dogs specifically for young african-american girls to play with. these are for, i would hope, for all girls. >> girls all over the world, yes. >> all right. >> exactly with a positive message. >> and when can they get the dolls? >> they can get them now. >> all right. for more of "what matters," check out the october issue of essence magazine, or logon to cnn.com/what matters. stacey, we appreciate it very much. >> thank you. a huge sexting scandal. one high school in pennsylvania, 30 kids under investigation, 30 kids accused of looking at a naked picture of their classmate, while cops are investigating serious child pornography charges. when will kids get the message, when will the message finally sink in. mike is going to dig into this. 1-877-tell-hln.
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welcome back to "prime news" on hln. 30 kids accused of sexting. here we go again, huh? one school in pennsylvania, 30 kids. that's an entire classroom looking at photos of some naked girl. that's what we have. let that sink in for a minute. now cops are considering child porn charges. that's a felony. could label these teens as sex offenders. now, that's the quandary we have here. how are we going to deal with this. we're going to hit this on a couple of fronts. number one, don't these kids get it? there are serious consequences. what's the proper punishment? so they understand what they did was wrong, and can't do it again. joining us to talk about it, welcome back, radio talk show
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host, former teacher, dom. and judge powell had an excellent solution. real wisdom from the bench. dom, let's you and i start. here we are again, dom. >> yeah. >> man, what do you make of this? why, i guess, why are kids not getting the message that this is wrong? it's demeaning. >> you probably remember, too, for our viewers, this is not far from another place in pennsylvania where there was a national case and a showdown between a prosecutor and girl who did this. part of it is, apparently even some parents and others don't think there's too much wrong with this. they have the notion if you're just sending it to the boyfriend, what's the big deal. you and i know what happens, the big deal is, the boyfriend becomes disgruntled, or they just share it with another guy. and it's minor that it's 30. this can go to thousands of people. so i think it's with the person who is sharing this, they're
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either conned into believing that this is normal to send to your boyfriend, pictures like this, and once that happens, anything can happen from that trail with the boyfriend. >> exactly. that's what we have to get through to these kids, the real world consequences. you mentioned it, once you send that picture out, you don't know where it's going to stop or where it's going to end up or how many people will look at it. and you could be labeled a sex offender if you get in trouble with this. >> absolutely. i think it's extreme to imagine labeling the people who sent it, sex offenders. that's why i'm intrigued with what the judge did as a punishment. it has to be severe here, otherwise there's no deterrent effect. >> here's where basically life ruined. phillip albert, want to hear his story. he gets the sext, he breaks up with the girlfriend, sends it out. he's labeled a sex offender and life ruined. let's hear his story. >> you will find me on the registered sex offender list, next to people who have, you
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know, raped children, molested kids, things like that, because i sent child pornography. i'm being punished for the rest of my life for something that took probably something that took him less than two minutes to do could be punished the rest of his life. let's bring in judge mike powell, warren county, ohio, presided over a sexting case and we have applauded judge powell for getting it right. it was a tough sentence, there was -- it wasn't just a slap on the wrist but these kids aren't going to be the next phillip albert and have their lives ruined. judge, you with us? >> yes, i am. >> let's first off, gets back to what's going on in pennsylvania. 30 kids and isn't felony child porn just overkill here? >> you know, i don't think that's for a judicial officer to say, mike. in our system of government, that is committed to the executive branch to decide what people ought to be charged with and at least in the first instance, those of us in the judicial branch have to defer to that. once we get the case, we have
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some discretion as to how to handle it. i think that's particularly true with juvenile judges and for instance, in ohio, even if i would find that a child has committed the offense with which they're charged, i have the discretion to dismiss it or to reduce it if i find that's in a child's best interest. >> okay. i'll ask you this. should someone be punished the rest of their life or a good part of it, anyway, for sending a text at the age of 15 or 16, judge? >> i would say no. i would say they should not. but what the appropriate punishment ought to be depends on a number of factors and i think in large part, we have to identify what the motivation of the children involved in the incidents were. >> when we come back, we'll let you know what judge powell did and again, i think he got it right. we'll hear more from dom as well and want to hear from you. stay with us.
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tonight, head-spinning new developments as the plot thickens in the haleigh cummings family soap opera. teen bride misty cummings, who was the last person to see little haleigh alive, is now pointing the finger at other family members. she says she has nothing to do with the girl's disappearance and is blaming quote, the other side of the family. but who is she talking about here? her husband, ron, who is now trying to divorce her? and what did she have to say about her failed polygraph test? we'll have a look. inside a family's desperate search for a missing georgia woman. christi cornwall vanished nearly
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two months ago, abducted when walking on a country road near her parents' home while talking on her cell phone with her boyfriend. now investigators say they're finally making progress. we're going to talk to her brother to get the very latest developments. also, a millionaire murder suspect walks out of jail, free on bail. this is the very same guy who was doing a kooky striptease show in his jail cell just last week. he's accused of executing his wife with a gunshot to the head, then calling 911 and admitting his crime. now he's changed his story so why is he back home relaxing in his big mansion? plus, jon and kate's birthday drama. the reality tv couple in a knock-down, drag-out fight right before their twins' ninth birthday party. reports say jon wanted to bring in cameras. kate wanted nothing to do with jon. i know this couple's going through an ugly divorce, but can't they at least act
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civilized at their kids' birthday party? "issues" starts now. tonight, is haleigh cummings' mystery about to finally bust wide open? misty cummings, who was watching little that lee when she vanished, has been under suspicion. we all know that. but tonight, misty is firing back with stunning accusations of her own. misty is now pointing the finger of blame at the little girl's biological family. listen to what she told the cbs "early show." >> someone came in and got her, obviously. i feel like it's on the other side of the family that has her. that's just how i feel. >> rather cryptic accusation, is it not? who exactly is she accusing? is she talking about haleigh's mom, crystal sheffield, or is she talking about her husband, ron, who now wants to divorce her? the infamous teen bride was so vague, we don't know.
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the spotlight has been on misty since haleigh, little haleigh, precious haleigh, vanished eight months ago. she claims she woke up, misty, that is, discovered haleigh was not in her bed and found the back door propped open. well, now haleigh's dad is ending his marriage to his 17-year-old bride. is that because ron doubts her story? here is misty on "the early show" insisting her soon-to-be ex-husband doesn't blame her. >> do you think he believes you're guilty now of something? >> no, i don't think so. >> what has he said to you about this? >> he just -- he hasn't really said like much about it, you know. he believes me. he doesn't think i had anything to do with haleigh going missing. >> coming up, misty tries to explain why she failed those polygraph tests. and what about misty's bizarre and i mean bizarre road rage incident in orlando recently, where she was cuffed and interrogated. straight out to my outstanding expert panel. clinical psychiatrist, dr. dale
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archer, boy, do we need you tonight. former police detective steve kardian. florida prosecutor stacy honowitz. criminal defense attorney, mark eiglarsh and marlena schiavo. producer for the nancy grace so. so glad to have you on our show tonight. what is the very latest? >> the very latest, jane, is that misty croslin cummings, soon to be back misty croslin, speaks out to the cbs morning show, the "early show." she's saying and we think she's saying that ronald, ex-girlfriend, the biological mother of haleigh cummings, may have something to do with haleigh's disappearance. now, like you said, it's a cryptic thing that she said on the show but crystal sheffield, the biological mother, has spoken out against misty in the past, so is this misty lashing out at crystal, possibly. >> we couldn't really tell who she was talking about. she's like the other side of the family. and then she didn't really say which other side of the family.
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that's such a vague comment, that could mean anybody. could mean ron, it could mean crystal, it could mean crystal's family. i mean, it's such a can of worms in terms of the interrelationships with all these people. do we really know who she's accusing and what she's accusing them of? >> we don't know. what we do know, though, there was a lot of in-fighting when all of this came about, jane. now, we know that crystal was, you know, has a lot to say about misty being there the night and not really understanding what happened. she thinks that she's hiding a lot and we know that ronald and crystal have had a lot of issues ever since this started. well, they had issues even before this started. but my sense is that she is talking about quote, the other side, meaning haleigh's biological mother. >> wow. well, crystal sheffield has never been named any kind of a person of interest by law enforcement, so that's pretty shocking that she would suddenly point the finger at her, because crystal sheffield is a victim
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here. she lost her precious daughter. and that adds insult to injury. police say misty's story about haleigh's disappearance has been all over the map. it certainly did not help that she failed more than one polygraph. misty tried to explain that on the cbs "early show." listen to this explanation. >> i didn't want to take the polygraph. i was supposed to do a hypnosis. that's what i was supposed to do. one of the guys said it could be the reason i'm failing is because i feel like it's my fault since i was the last one seen with her. >> dr. dale archer, can a person feeling guilt suddenly have a polygraph result that says deception because they're feeling vaguely guilty? is that how the polygraph machine works? >> no, it's not how it works but i think that what we have to remember here is that we're dealing with a 17-year-old girl, and when the episode occurred, she was 16. so we think about people we know in our own lives who are 16 and 17 years of age, and how would
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they handle the type of stress that goes along with a high pro'file situation like this. i mean, it's got to be overwhelming to her. so i got to say that i feel sorry for everything she's going through, and as a result, i think that we have to show a little bit of compassion for her as she goes through this to make sure she's not a psychological victim along with the mom. >> help me out with that. you know what, i mean, i have sympathy for a lot of people but misty is not top of my list. >> i know. so you're not going to like what i have to say, my dear friend with three names. let me tell you, it could have affected the exam if the relevant question, it all depends on what was asked. if the relevant question was do you feel responsible or in any way were you responsible for the disappearance, that could have two meenanings. that would be a poorly worded question and her response could show deception and again, i don't know if she was involved or not. but that wouldn't be a good question and she would show deception because she personally might feel some responsibility.
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she was the only one there that night. >> stacy honowitz. >> put aside even the polygraph examination for now because we know lots of times it's not admissible in court because it's not deemed to be reliable but let's put that aside. how about the millions of inconsistent stories that she has told from day one in this situation and for her to go on "the early show" and to sit there and try to blame the other side for doing something of which they're not involved, is really a desperate plea on her part. it's desperate measures. >> it's vicious. it's vicious. >> she is -- >> because the mother of the missing girl is suffering and now, this girl who was supposed to be watching little haleigh when she disappeared, who we know was on a three-day drug binge before that crucial incident where haleigh vanished, now she's turned around and saying not only did you lose your baby, your precious daughter, but i'm going to point the finger at you.
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that's nasty, steve kardian. >> jane, she's 17 years old. think about that. >> it seems like a vein attempt by her -- >> hold on. steve kardian. >> seems like a vain attempt by her and her lawyer to put the focus elsewhere. we see her in this interview, she's extremely more polished than she's been when appearing before the camera in the past. she was really prepped for this one. >> just a few days ago, misty and another woman were accused of threatening a driver with a gun in orlando. the driver was freaked out and called 911 from her car. >> they were hanging out of the window flipping me off, you know, telling me they're going to kill me, you know. motioning as if they had a weapon in the car. you know, it turns out they didn't have one but they definitely wanted me to think they did. >> marlena schiavo, another bizarre incident to add to misty's repertoire. tell us about it briefly. >> really quickly, i spoke to the road rage victim yesterday, courtney ballinger.
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basically she said she didn't do anything and all of a sudden this car comes out of nowhere, they're yelling at her, threatening to kill her, threatening to beat her up and waving something that appeared to be a gun to the point she got so scared, she calls 911. the cops come, they pull them over, cuff misty, cuff the driver, and in the end, no charges were filed but it was just such a bizarre twist in this already crazy story. >> yeah. and something doesn't add up here. that's the problem with this entire story. here's a young woman pointing the finger at a woman who has lost her daughter on misty's watch, and yet, police are picking her up because she's involved in this alleged road rage incident. what is going on with misty up here? more on misty croslin's side of the story in a moment. coming up, what happened when jon gosselin showed up to his kids' birthday party? did kate let him in? but first, misty croslin, the last person to see little haleigh alive. she says she had absolutely nothing to do with the little girl's disappearance. i got up because i had to
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use the bathroom but i didn't make it to the bathroom. i seen the kitchen light on and i walked in the kitchen and the back door's wide open. i didn't notice about haleigh then until i seen the back door open. then i go in the room and she's gone.
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deep down in my heart, yes, i think my husband's holding something back. i think they both are holding something back. that's just in my heart. i want to tell her i love her and if you know anything at all, please tell me. we can work it through. i'll be right there by your side. we'll get through it. just please tell me whatever you're holding back. >> that was misty cummings' mom sounding none too confident in her own daughter's innocence. now misty is trying to redirect the suspicion away from herself. she says quote, the other side of the family has haleigh. but she didn't get any more specific than that so we're all left to wonder what the heck is she talking about? back to my fantastic panel. i'm delighted to have nancy grace's producer, marlena schiavo, with us. the mom has been arrested, the woman you just heard from, misty's mom. tell us about that. >> well, you know, she was
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arrested on forgery and theft charges, jane. this goes back to also when tommy, misty's brother, was arrested on stealing a gun from this neighbor. at that same time, they're alleging that lisa croslin stole checks, ten checks from him and wrote one out for $400 and cashed it to herself and that's what she's been arrested on. she's being held in tennessee awaiting extradition back to florida. >> stacy honowitz, it would appear they're putting pressure on misty's side of the family. to put the squeeze on them so that they can say what they know. i believe the brother, when he was jailed, spilled the beans about him going over to the house that night right at the time where she says they were up and knocking on the door, and nobody was home. >> right. you're 100% right, jane. they're not arrested in order to squeeze but now that they are in custody, i can tell you one thing, that they might be willing to talk a little more freely if in fact later on, it's going to help them. i think what you have is you have misty going on this early show and you say she was so vague in what she had to say. she's vague because she doesn't know what she's talking about.
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she's just throwing these ideas out there to see what sticks against the wall. she's vague because there is no story, there is no proof on her part that the child is with anybody on the other side of the family. that's why you have right now her saying these things. >> stacy, my dear stacy, that is one reason but one other reason is she's not the orator that you or my dear jane are. she's 17 years old. she's surrounded by people who commit offenses. she's not articulate and she's not intelligent. >> you don't have to be articulate to tell a consistent story. >> stacy? >> you do not have to be articulate and skilled at speaking in order to tell a consistent story. >> i don't disagree with you, stacy. i'm not defending the woman. i'm just saying that her actions could be because of guilt but also because of being the person that she is. >> i'll put a twist on what stacy said. you don't have to be sophisticated to tell the truth. misty has been under a cloud of suspicion since day one, so what
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does soon-to-be ex-husband ron cummings think about his teen bride's ever-changing story? listen to his clip from "nancy grace." >> you told me that changes, even subtle, small changes, in misty croslin's story about the night haleigh went missing bothered you. what changes -- >> yes, ma'am. >> -- if any do you recall? >> i can't really recall the exact changes and they're real small. it's not like -- she pretty much tells me the same thing each time i ask her about it. >> whether or not ron wants to admit it, police say misty's story has changed. she's also failed polygraph tests. dr. dale archer, this is not a very sophisticated young lady. we have already established that. so how come she has everybody pulling out their hair and nobody can get a straight story out of her? they can't manipulate her in any
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way, shape or form to basically spilling her guts. it takes a lot of sophistication to stonewall an entire nation. >> well, i think that we have to look at the fact, look, let me preface this by saying obviously, i'm aware from the start that there were things that made me shake my head and go what is she saying here. the story did seem very inconsistent and it has changed. but we have to understand that not only is she not sophisticated, she's 17, she was 16 when this event occurred. so we have to at least put that into the equation that look, this is a kid we're dealing with. this is somebody not old enough to vote or to drink yet. so put all that together and it's not surprising this is a very perplexing case. >> i have had plenty of kids 16 and 17 year olds commit horrific crimes against people. so don't put that aside. >> i'm not defending her. >> certainly a cautionary tale that a 16-year-old shouldn't be
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watching two kids, especially a 16-year-old who has a propensity to go out and party and marlena schiavo, i know you will be on "nancy grace" later and you will have in-depth information on all of this. i look forward to watching that. but give us the 411 on who drop-kicked who right before this whole disappearance occurred. was it misty out partying with friends, isn't there talk of drugs? >> there is. and you know, the whole family has confirmed that she was out for three days. as a matter of fact, this is what led up to ron, you know, calling her incessantly the night he couldn't get ahold of her, the night haleigh went missing. she was out for three nights, they were fighting about that that night, and there are talk of drugs. there's no confirmation that drugs were involved. we know about this jail letter that surfaced, investigators are sort of poo-pooing this letter so we can't really get too much more into that. but it did talk about drugs and her partying. so jane, i mean, this is what's going on.
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investigators need these questions answered. okay? and that's why we can't even answer them right now. >> mark eiglarsh, this one is unique in the sense that we can't tell fact from fiction. there is this crazy jailhouse letter that made some allegations that had absolutely no substance. most people think that it is a hoax, that it's not true, but it was this wild accusation that the little child may have od pd on oxycontin of all things. when you get so crazy with the stories, how do you even tell the truth from fiction? >> well, we don't have to do anything. investigators have to. we're watching, it's entertainment for us. the reality is the investigators are the ones who should be breaking this case down, ignoring all this craziness, understand that we're dealing with someone who was 16 at the time, 17 now. who may be absolutely lying for sure. i'm not defending her. >> i know you're not. we're going to have to leave it right there. you're not defending her. up next, new details on the
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search for missing georgia woman, christi cornwall. then, did the gloves come off when reality tv dad jon gosselin showed up at his kids' ninth birthday party? the jaw-dropper after the break. in my new book, i talk about fighting an addiction to booze and getting sober. i want to hear your success story. what addiction have you overcome? tell me about it. you could get my book.
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stop taking pictures. >> just a couple more. a couple more. just a couple more. >> hey, what did mommy just say? i asked you to stop taking pictures and you continued. >> okay. we're not your kids, ma'am. we're not part of your plus eight. >> don't talk back to your mother. >> got to admit, that's pretty funny. kate gosselin jokes about the paparazzi following her on the jay leno show but she's not laughing when it comes to her relationship with the soon-to-be ex-husband. the latest issue, of course, there's always one, how much time each parent would have to spend with their twins at the girls' ninth birthday party.
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>> i just got an e-mail from kate saying she doesn't want to see you. >> she says she doesn't want to see you? >> she wants to change custody. i would appreciate if you would pick them up at the bus stop tomorrow at 4:00 and stay until 6:00. that's ridiculous. i'm going to stay longer than that. i don't care. >> it's supposed to be a joint day because it's a birthday. >> yeah. >> that was for all -- >> holidays, birthdays, whatever, yeah. >> how do you end up dealing with this when -- >> doesn't matter. it's joint shared. i can stay as long as i want and i will. >> why the sunglasses? just asking. i'm joined by mike walters, assignment manager at tmz. my good buddy, mike, it is hard to keep up with these two freaks. what is the very latest? >> well, i'll tell you what, let's start with that. i mean, that was a birthday party that happened yesterday and what he's reading is what he says is an e-mail from kate saying he can only stay from 4:00 until 6:00. we were there because we were
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expecting this to be a big blowout because he said i'm going to stay as long as i want. well, when confronted yesterday for the twins' birthday, they actually were peaceful and he stayed until he put his kids to bed which of course, is what we hope for this family is that the kids don't get hurt because of them. but i'll tell you what, it's getting so nasty, they're throwing this back and forth. i've looked at the court documents and $230,000 did come out of an account that they shared jointly, but it doesn't say who took it. kate says jon robbed her and she can't pay her bills. not true. they both pay $7500 a month into an account to pay the bills so that's not being said. a lot of people say jon looks bad in this because he's talking to the press. kate's on tv, on tlc, she's the one doing a new talk show. he's on tv. i don't know what to think of these two and who's telling the truth. all i do know is that kate's got three lawyers, one being pit bull marty singer who you know really well, and two other ones there. jon is getting a little bit of a bad advice from his manager and his attorney at this point. but let me end with this. by the way, that clip, miky
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day's the guy in the clip who works for jay leno. i went to high school with him. how funny is that kid? we were in drama together. how great is that kid? >> apparently the gosselins one-upping each other didn't end with this e-mail. we have a picture of jon picking up a cake at a new york bakery for his girls. apparently they spelled the name wrong. tell us about that, mike. >> okay. so he goes and gets the cake. we get the tip, we call the place, cupcake cafe, it's called, and the owner tells us that jon went in and he was like oh, i want to buy some cupcakes and they were like no, you have a cake, here it is. and he was really confused. well, guess what? apparently someone -- some tv show called entertainment something, she couldn't remember the rest of the name, called and ordered the cake and said that they were going to come in and ask permission to shoot for their tv show. why he orders the cake and pays for it, so he did, and they spelled the name wrong. somebody from entertainment something. >> pathetic. can you spell pathetic?
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i love you. stay on top of these freaks. we're going to cover a serious story when we come back.
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an inside a family's desperate search for a missing georgia woman. christi cornwall was abducted when walking on a country road near her parents' home. now there's finally progress in the case. we're going to talk to christi's desperate brother to get the very latest developments. also, a millionaire murder suspect walks out of jail, free on bail. this is the very same guy who was doing a crazy strip show in his jail cell just last week. he's accused of executing his wife with a bullet to the head, then calling 911 and admitting his crime. so why is he back home relaxing in his big mansion?
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are investigators closer to finding out what happened to christi cornwall? she is the georgia woman who was mysteriously snatched off a country road two months ago. you may remember her desperate family begging for her return. >> i just want to ask them to have mercy on her, to let her go, let her come back to us, she has a 15-year-old son that desperately needs his mother and to let her go. >> here are new family photos of the missing 38-year-old woman. her cell phone was found three and a half miles away from where she vanished and now, we're hoping, this is hopeful news. we are hearing investigators may be close to a break in the case. joining us now, steve kardian and of course, he's a former police detective and we are honored to have christi's brother, richard cornwell, with us. richard, i have no idea of what you're going through. when i first covered this story,
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i thought about it night after night, this woman snatched off a road, minding her own business, walking down a country road near her parents' home for exercise. what is wrong with this country that we keep covering stories like this? they say there's no war on women. this is a prime example of the war on women. this beautiful woman who did absolutely nothing to anybody, who is a mother, who has a 15-year-old son who is being tortured psychologically right now because he has no idea where his mom is, snatched off a country road while she's walking, just getting some exercise. what, richard, is your family going through right now? >> of course, this has been torture for my family, and we're going to see to it that this predator is put behind bars so other families do not have to
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endure the torment that we have been through. >> oh, my gosh. her mom, your mom, what is she going through? >> of course, the loss of a child is the absolute worst thing you can imagine, not knowing where she is. it's complete torture for my mother. and father. >> yeah. and i agree with you, we've got to put this predator away but we have to find out who this predator is first, and that's the big mystery. christi cornwell is a 38-year-old mom, as we mentioned, 15-year-old son. there you see the boy when he was younger. the mom disappeared in rural blairsville, georgia. when she disappeared, christi was on an innocent walk near her mom's house. she was on her cell phone with her boyfriend, who was very far away. he reports that christi saw an suv pass her by and then heard a struggle. now, this is very significant because it's really the only
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clue that police have. christi is a former probation officer, so she knows how to fight back, and that makes police believe that she's in extreme danger. tell us, richard, everything you know about what the boyfriend heard at that crucial moment when she was abducted. >> well, she indicated to douglas davis, her boyfriend, that a vehicle was approaching, and she indicated that the vehicle was stopping and he then heard a struggle between christi and the predator or predators, and based on my conversation with her boyfriend, there's no doubt in our minds that christi was abducted. >> and he is certainly not a suspect. he was far away, way too far to be anywhere near there so he's been eliminated. >> i understand he was in atlanta at the time. >> yes. that's far away. christi was abducted in northern georgia but the search has
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expanded far beyond that state. investigators are now looking in tennessee and north carolina. there weren't any witnesses to the actual abduction but people in the area saw a white suv and a gold sedan near where she was taken. take a look at these two vehicles, people, because this could be the biggest clue. these vehicles or vehicles like these seen in the area around the time of her abduction. investigators now believe a stranger may have taken kristi. steve kardian, you're a former police detective. to me, this is the most terrifying kind of abduction, a stranger abduction, when there's nothing to go on. >> yes, jane, and richard, i'm very sorry for the loss, the suffering that your family has endured. but yeah, the stranger abduction, it's not a good thing, jane, by any means, and you know, when we have a stranger perpetrate a crime like this, unfortunately, it's very critical law enforcement and the community has to act swiftly to
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try to identify the many factors that are involved here, the vehicle and any evidence that they may have seized at the scene. >> now, richard, we're hearing reports that police say they're hopeful that law enforcement says there could be a break in the case, but they will not elaborate at all. do you have any idea what they're talking about? >> we have not been briefed by investigators on the new development. we're continuing to be hopeful that they have narrowed down the scenario and hopefully, they've determined whether this was, in fact, a stranger abduction or otherwise. >> how is the 15-year-old son of the missing woman, your nephew, dealing with this? >> he's a very strong young man and he's dealing with the situation as well as he can. >> you know, we have something here on "issues" called the war on women and the other day, someone challenged me and said there's no war on women, what are you talking about. and i'm not talking about the 89,000 reported rapes a year,
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not alone, but look at this case. look at this woman, minding her own business, innocently walking down a road and is abducted. if that's not a war on women, i don't know what is. and richard, i know your family's going through hell, but back me up here. there is a war on women in this country. we've got to do something about it, correct? >> i believe you, i agree with you 100%, and we're going to see to it that we use this opportunity to reduce the number of these dreadful cases and we're going to do everything we possibly can. >> i want to tell everybody out there, look at this woman's face. if you have any thoughts at all, any ideas, any theories, give law enforcement a call. they have very little to work on. they found her cell phone three
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and a half miles away, so they can't follow the pings because the pings just were a dead end, three and a half miles away. they've got nothing. they don't have videotape. they've got nothing and this woman is missing, her family is in hell, living in hell, and whoever did this, if you're watching, dear god, please, please show some compassion, show some humanity and just let this woman go. up next, a head-spinning development in another war on women case. tv anchor woman ann presley's brutal murder. i'm talking about confession tapes. and then a man admits to killing his wife and gets to go home to his mansion? his mansion? what the heck's going on here?
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let's meet today's winner, from dewey, arizona. christ itched was addicted to nicotine for 40 long years, before quitting cold turkey in 2006. she joined an online community for support. way to go. how about this for a visual.
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she wiped down her tv and computer monitors and then hung the brown rag on the wall to remind her about all the nasty chemicals polluting her lungs. christi, for sharing your story, you're going to be getting an autographed copy of my new book "i want" and a chance to win a trip to new york city and visit me on the set of "issues." way to go, girl. now, tonight's "top of the block." an update in the gruesome murder of an arkansas tv anchor woman. a judge has ruled all taped confessions and dna evidence taken from accused rapist and killer curtis vance be admissible in court. right on. vance is charged with capital murder in the vicious beating death of katv's ann presley. on the tapes, vance told police he struck presley with a garden tool, shattering her arm when she tried protecting herself from being hit in the face. this while she was at home
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minding her own business. his lawyers tried sweeping that confession under the rug but vance acknowledged to cops he 100% knew what he was doing when he signed the confession papers. a trial is set for next month. and prosecutors say they will seek the death penalty. this was one of the most horrific cases we have covered here on "issues" in the war on women and we will stay on top of this case until justice is done for ann presley. that is tonight's "top of the block." mind-blowing new developments in the murder case against a multi-millionaire charged in his wife's execution death. jay robert, bob ward, allegedly shot his wife, diane, in the head. tonight, he is out of jail on $100,000 bail. instead of a cell, he is sitting pretty in his $5 million mansion. wow, that looks more than $5 million, people.
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it's got a pooshll, got a spa. look how big that is. ward was arrested after making a chilling 911 call saying quote, i just shot my wife, she's dead, she's on the floor of the master bedroom, end quote. now he's changing his story. he's pleading not guilty. bob ward's behavior in jail was unbelievably cuckoo. here he is behind bars. he is doing a striptease. look at that. a striptease. his audience? his own daughter and his dead wife's sister. tonight, a brand new mind-boggling twist. the sister of the woman ward allegedly murdered, she's in this video laughing with the suspect and she has admitted on the stand that she begged cops, please don't arrest him. >> did you not beg detective brian cross to make this
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incident an accident, that mr. ward was under so much stress, to just make it an accident? >> after he told me what he was charged with. >> why would this woman want to help the man who admitted to killing her sister in cold blood? now, the victim's daughter is also speaking out and she's also defending her dad. >> i love my dad more than anything in the world. >> would you be afraid for yourself or your sister or anybody else if your dad were released by the judge? >> my dad would never hurt anybody. >> this is so totally puzzling. straight out to my expert panel. criminal defense attorney mike eiglarsh. how is this man charged with such a heinous crime free after posting a measly $10,000 on a $100,000 bail? we know he can afford it, no problem. why such a low bail for such a rich guy? >> let me explain something and people are going to mistake what i'm saying as me supporting him. i'm not.
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he suffers from drew peterson-itis, when you act like a buffoon behind bars, okay? however, the point of bail is simply to have you return to court and the judges have a law that they must follow and that is to impose the least restrictive conditions to ensure a defendant's appearance in court. bernie madoff, it upset us that he was out but he showed up. it did the trick and now he will not be out. hopefully the same thing will happen with this guy. >> this is a big issue. coming up in a moment, because i don't necessarily buy it, a lot of people are held no bail at all after they allegedly murder someone. shocking jailhouse tapes caught the accused murderer joking and laughing during a visit with his daughter and sister-in-law after the death. listen to this. >> hello. >> hey, handsome. >> -- beard? >> you look good. i'm completely here for you
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100%, because you know that you're my hero. i also want to let you know how nice i think that you look right now. i have been trying to get you to wear pajamas for years now. >> oh, god you look great. you look really, really good. >> yeah. i'm hanging in there. i'm showering daily, which is obviously very important, you know how we feel about hygiene. i'm glad to see that you're showering. i'm just so disappointed you would have to keep putting the dirty jump suit back o. >> after originally saying oh, i killed her, he changed his story and said essentially that she committed suicide, but the medical examiner testified that this woman's deadly gunshot wound to the face was not consistent with suicide or even with a struggle for the gun. dr. dale archer, how do you explain the lighthearted nature of these conversations given first of all, the dire problem that this guy has? he's got serious, serious issues. >> yes. early in my career, i actually worked as a psychiatrist for a
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prison so the one thing i learned is you can never, ever believe anything you see or anything you hear with these inmates, because they always have an agenda. there's always secondary gain, some angle that they're working. so i don't really place a lot of stock into what he's doing but what just stuns me beyond belief are the sister and the daughter. i can't believe you have just lost your mom and your sister, and you're sitting there cutting up and clowning with this guy. it's shocking. >> look at this guy. he's smiling and he's laughing and it appears that he really enjoys the attention as he's released. okay? he is having it appears to be a good time. he's smiling. my big issue tonight, does money talk, why is this millionaire accused of shooting his wife in the face, killing her, allowed to reportedly pay just 10,000 clams and as you see here, walk free and he's got a grin on his face. is he getting preferential treatment because he's a wealthy guy living in the same
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neighborhood as tiger woods and shaquille o'neal? get this. listen to him complaining that the jail isn't the ritz hotel. >> believe me, i'm not here in the ritz. room. >> such a lifestyle change for you. i can only imagine. >> this place hasn't been cleaned in i can't tell you when. >> well, i'll definitely get on housekeeping for that. i'll call housekeeping now for sure and have them put a mint on your pillow, too. okay? >> why isn't he held on no bail? >> the bottom line is, there's a lot of factors for the court to consider. if he's had no contact with law enforcement, he's tied to the community. every tom, dick and harry came to court to talk on his behalf. people are never going to be afraid of him and all these things in consideration. the judge looks at that. >> i think he's a flight risk on
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top of everything else because he has money problems, even though he's rich. many rich people declare brupgs. he's one of those. stay where you are. we're going to have more on accused murderer back home in his mansion after the break.
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>> don't drop the soap. >> ha, ha, ha, ha, don't drop the soap. that was a jailhouse video tape of a visit with a millionaire. she's joking about don't drop the soap when her mom is dead and her dad is in jail? why was the bail so low? raymond clark, the suspect in the heinous murder of yale student, annie le. he's a 24-year-old lab techie.
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there's no way he could afford to put up bail. robert ward had extreme reseptember financial trouble, but he's currently liveing in a nine-bedroom palace. he's been a millionaire for years. stacy, i'm going to ask this big question time and time again. don't like the answer i'm getting. why couldn't he be held without bond or set the bail higher. >> you're right. he could have been set with no bond or the bail higher. in taking all the tack factors together, the judge might have thought he's not a risk of flight, he's on a gps monitor. he doesn't have the money. he could have been held no bond. also, i think the fact he -- >> go ahead mark. >> jane, i have to jump in here. i'm taking exception to what you are saying. you are suggesting my pita lovilove
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ing vegan that the state prosecutor did something wrong here. >> i don't think she is at all making that point. >> let me make the point here. first of all, anyone who posts a bond in florida, in state court would pay 10% of the total bond. second of all, the judge, not us, were privy to all the facts and deemed $100,000 and a gps to secure his return to court. >> he could have set it higher. >> preferential is not appropriate. >> okay. dr. deal archer, here is my theory. shatter it, if you will. justice ain't blind. people who are millionaires and show up looking like that get treated differently than people who are gang bangers and show up in a ripped t-shirt and pants hanging down to their knees. i don't think judges are blind.
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i don't think lawyers are blind. i'll tell you why. i worked at celebrity justice for years. i'd get there early and see how they would treat the people who had the public defenders. they couldn't get them out fast enough and lock them up fast enough. when the important cases came up, it got dragged out until we forget what we were talking about and the person got probation or charges are dropped. >> i agree with you. you know how it works, a phone call to the judge. i know this guy, he's a friend of mine. he's cool. he's not a flight risk. the good old boy network is at work. of course, they get preferential treatment. we're foolish to think they don't. >> you are jumping to a big conclusion that every judge is crooked and they take a phone call and say that guy is a good guy. >> i didn't say crooked.
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i'm saying not blind. you're watching "issues" on hln. d
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breaking news tonight. in florida. a 5-year-old little girl tucked into bed, five hours later, she's gone. vanished. the backdoor propped wide open. daddy comes home from the night shift to find, not a trace of little haleigh. the last person to see her live, her stepmother, misty croslin. bombshell tonight. hours after croslin, handcuffed and questioned in an alleged road rage incident, she dodges
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those charges and flies first class to new york city declare ing her innocence. how does a fish get caught? he opens his mouth. even in this brief interview, croslin can't keep her stories straight. first, claiming she knows nothing about the 5-year-old's where abouts, then in a stunning twist, she blurts out, quote, the other side of the family took haleigh, then a 180 on the lie detector. first claiming she passed, then admitting she failed. blaming her own giuilty conscience. is that an admission? no wonder her lawyer tells her, don't talk. has little haleigh's disappearance, the nine month search for the brown-eyed 5-year-old and the fingers pointing at baby sitter turned stepmom. croslin claiming neither
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haleigh's disappearance or the holes in her story have to do with their split. have ronald cummings worst fears been confirmed that his new wife knows about the disappearance of his 5-year-old little girl? >> we have been planning this for awhile, actually. >> i know they love her, haleigh, and they love each other. they will be together. >> congratulations. >> the two of us have agreed to go separate ways. >> everybody is questioning ronald. why now? the last person to see haleigh gets married to the father of little haleigh. now, after everything, they are splitting up. >> with the family problems and everything else, it's too much on the relationship. >> they have been saying they have not been fighting. they have been saying misty was on vacation when she went to orlando. now, we know why she's in orlando this time.
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>> why now? why a divorce now? >> we can't go anywhere without being questioned or people staring at us. >> for the first time, i don't believe you. i think you do suspect your ex-wife, soon to be ex-wife's story. i think you don't want to discuss it in the midst of a divorce. why, i don't know, yet, but i'll find out. >> i don't want a divorce, but it's what he wants, so, whatever. i'm not going to fight him. >> obviously, i feel like it's on the other side of the famil . that has her. it's how i feel. >> do you think police have looked at everyone they need to look at? >> i don't think they have looked at everyone as close as they looked at me. a community reeling after a nurse and her 11-year-old girl
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attacked with a ma shet tee in the early morning hours asleep in their own beds. daddy out of town, working. suspect? oh no. not off the street or dope dealers. oh, no. allegedly, a group of teenagers including a group of boy scouts. do police suspect more involved? as we go to air, are more arrests to come? at this hour, the little 11-year-old recovering from critical injuries. we learn tonight, the perp actually hacked off the little girl's toes, one word, sick. the little girl's mother dead. now, we want justice.
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stabbed with a ma chet tee in their homes. >> they were boy scouts, high school students. one a devout mor monday on the verge of becoming a missionary. now, fourteens arrested. a murder of mom and nurse. >> basically, they fell apart, we're told he began to dabble in knives. >> could there be more suspects? law enforcement saying they haven't ruled out additional arrests. investigators executing search warrants. questioning multiple winces. who is responsible? >> good evening, i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. hours after he was handcuffed and questioned in a road rage
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indent, she flies to new york. how does a fish get caught? she opens her mouth. >> got down on his knees and said will you marry me? >> d-i-v-o-r-c-e. divorce. that change is subtle. small changes in misty croslin's story. it bothered you. what changes, if any, do you recall? >> i can't remember the exact changes. she pretty much tells me the same thing each time i ask her about it. >> they keep saying you failed. do you want people to know about that? >> they are going to know. they are going to know. i have to wait. my lawyer is right. >> okay. >> that weekend was a lie.
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>> would you -- so are you saying you didn't fail the polygraph like people and law enforcement are claiming you did? >> no, i did not. >> bottom line, you don't know where haleigh is at? >> why do you think you failed it? >> i didn't want to do a polygraph. i was supposed to do a hypnosis. i feel like it's my fault. >> do you think he's divorcing you because the stress is too hard? >> yeah. >> what about the claims that you are telling different stories? do you think he believes you are guilty? >> no, i don't think so. >> what has he said about it? >> he hasn't said much about it, you know. he believes me. >> ronald cummings did it disturb you that her story changed? >> yes, ma'am, it did.
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>> you were just seeing misty croslin on cbs, the early show a few hours ago. melina, explain to me. she says she can't talk to police because her lawyer doesn't want her to. her lawyer didn't want her to go on cbs morning show, but there she is in full color. >> you got it, nancy. she came up here against his wishes. he told me, he did not want her doing interviews. he, himself, has yet to do an interview. she comes to new york, talks about the polygraph. she tells a reporter she never failed. then, she gets on the cbs early show and admits she failed a polly and why? due to the fact that it could be -- >> she feels guilty. she feels guilty. let's look at what she had to
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say against her lawyers wishes. >> so, are you saying you didn't fail the polygraph like people and law enforcement are claiming you did? >> no, i did not. >> i did take a polygraph. >> and you passed it. >> my understanding that i passed it. >> i was home, i did pass my lie detector test saying i was home. >> i didn't want to take it, i was supposed to do a hypnosis. that's what i was supposed to do. they said i could have failed because i feel like it's my fault. >> the car came up next to me with the driver hanging half out of the window, saying over and over, again, we're going to beat you up, you're dead. you're dead. they wanted me this think they had a weapon. >> it's a big lie. that lady is crazy and i don't know where she's coming up with i was going to kill her. nothing happened like that. >> that's not what she said when
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the alleged victim called the police. you saw croslin on cbs' early morning show. our producer on the story from the very, very beginning. what are the other inconsistencies in her story. much of it coming to light on national tv against her lawyers advice. now, i understand why he told her to be quiet. >> she says she doesn't know who has haleigh and they should be look iing for the person who ha haleigh. in the next breath, she says she believes it's the other side of the family that has her. >> let's listen to what croslin said. >> bottom line, you don't know where haleigh is. >> bottom line. someone came and got her, obviously. i feel like it's the other side of the family that has her. that's just how i feel.
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>> do you think he's divorcing you because the stress of all this is too hard? >> yeah. >> what about the claims that you are telling different stories? do you think he believes you are guilty? >> no, i don't think so. >> what has he said to you about it? >> he hasn't really said much about it, you know, he believes me. he doesn't think i had anything to do with haleigh coming up missing. >> did it disturb you that her story actually changed? >> yes, ma'am, it did. >> straight out to special guest joining us, haleigh's grandmother, teresa. i'm sure you know misty's comments from this morning. what do you make of it? she's claiming the other side of the family. would that mean ronald's side of the family took haleigh. >> i do not think so, miss nancy.
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>> we have talked her about talking to the police. >> what does she say? >> she says she talked to them. >> they want to talk to her again. why won't she do it? >> i have no knowledge of a time where she wouldn't do it.
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so, are you saying you didn't fail the polygraph like people and law enforcement are
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claiming? >> no, i did not. >> you took a polygraph? >> yes, i did. >> and you passed it? >> my understanding that i did. >> i passed my lie detector test saying i was home. >> i didn't want to take it. i was supposed to do a hypnosis. that's what i was supposed to do. one of the guys said i could have failed because i feel like it's my fault. >> you think he's divorcing you because the stress of all this is too hard? >> yeah. >> what abtd the claims that you are telling different stories. do you think he believes you are guilty? >> i don't think so. >> what has he said to you about this? >> he just, he hasn't really said much about it, you know, he believes me and doesn't think i had anything to do with haleigh missing. >> did it disturb you that her story actually change d? >> yes, ma'am, it did. >> someone came and got her, obviously. i feel like it's on the other
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side of the family that has her. that's just how i feel. >> do you feel that police have looked at emp they need to look at? >> i don't think they have looked at everyone as close as they have looked at me. >> the media spotlight has been on you. what's it been like for you? >> really hard. really, really hard. i want haleigh home. definitely. >> do you think she's still alive? >> i feel in my heart she's still alive. >> that's misty croslin on cbs' the early show. let's unleash the lawyers. joining us, high profile lawyer out of seattle, ann bremner. mickey shermer and sue moss, family law attorney, child advocate. sue moss, weigh in. >> her game of blame is simply lame. what's she going to say next.
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let's look at the facts. biomom was 100 miles away. misty was nearly 100 inches away. it's clear from the facts and the fact she changes the story, again and again that misty is the center one to look at. >> ann bremner, now i know why her lawyer said zip it. >> absolutely. just because she's getting divorced over the circumstances or because she's branded with a scarlet "g" because she's guilty, there's no the cause. there's no evidence. >> ann. >> yes, nancy. >> you have an excellent reputation as a defense attorney. >> thank you. >> but that simply is not what i asked you. i'm asking you, not about probable cause, i'm asking about her decision to appear on national tv. >> terrible. it's a terrible decision.
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i can't think of any reason for her to do that. then, she had three bad areas in the interview herself. she didn't come off to look to be innocent. >> ann, we are showing you the wedding video. >> right. >> now, this is a video of ronald cummings and misty croslin. it was a brief i do. they are not coming clean about the cause of their divorce. they are saying people look at me. so. it's not a cause for divorce. >> i think the magic is gone. that's a fact. to go on the morning shows, the choices, listen to your lawyer, whether the lawyer is competent or not, or get to be in new york city, in person on the cbs or nbc or abc morning shows and these people will take the morning show every time even though it's damaging to them personally and makes them look like idiots. >> there were so many
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inconsistencies. she even points out, i want to go back to haleigh's grandmother who has been at the forefront in the search for her granddaughter along with her son, ronald cummings. teresa, to actually blame your side of the family or else crystal sheffield, the biomom. she was 100 miles away. it narrows it down to ronald's side of the family who she is trying to blame. >> i don't think she's trying to blame us. >> you think she's blaming the biomom's family? >> i do. >> why do you think that? where would she get that? there's not a shred of evidence to suggest they had anything to do with it. >> i cannot explain her thinking. i can only tell you what i think the statement meant and i do not believe she was talking about ronald's side of the family. >> i hope not. you have been in the forefront
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of trying to find the little girl. >> lillian glass, you have carefully reviewed all the video from today. what do you make of it? you are the expert. >> she shows signals of deception and is completely in denial. >> the two of us have agreed to go separate ways. if, in the long run, something comes about haleigh, then she can -- it will be whatever.
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what is your fear for your future, when you look ahead? >> bring haleigh home and have a normal life, again. >> do you worry you might be arrested? >> no. i don't. i'm always seeing all kinds of different things. i don't pay attention to them. >> do you think that ronald cummings will go through with the divorce? >> yeah. yeah, i do. >> and you are resigned to go on without him? >> that's what happens, it happens.
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but, we are going to still stay in contact. if something happens down the road, then we might end up back together. i don't know. >> why do you think you failed it? >> i didn't want to take the polygraph. i was supposed to do a hypnosis. that's what i was supposed to do. one of the guys said it could be the reason i failed is because i feel it's my fault. >> misty croslin on cbs' the early show. you hear croslin, the last person known to have seen little haleigh alive. the brown-eyed little girl. she says she may have flunk ed the polygraph because she felt guilty. guilty at having been the last person to see her, in charge of her, taking care of her. to lillian glass, body expert, we're showing video of her today on cbs early show and at the airport when she was questioned.
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you have very carefully reviewed this and reams of video. what is your analysis, lillian? >> it's interesting. one of the things she does is she shakes her head no when she means yes. the only thing that rings true is when she was asked, is this difficult on you. that's when you see sincerity. other than that, it's complete deception and she's in complete denial in terms of what she has to say. >> how do you know that? >> one of the things she does is a lot of shoulder movement. she does a lot of lip licking. they are signals of deception. you can see things that are completely incon grewous. >> one cannot be hypnotized unless they want to be. again, you see a lot of issues
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here. >> i hope they find my child alive, obviously, but one way or another, i want my daughter to come home. i need closure.
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so, are you saying you didn't fail the polygraph lime people and law enforcement are claiming? >> no, i did not. >> you passed it? >> i mean, my understanding that i passed it, you know. i just want everybody to know, i was home and i passed the lie e detector test saying i was home. i was supposed to do a hypnosis. that's what i was supposed to do. one of the gays said the reason
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i'm failing is because i feel responsible. >> the car came up to me with the driver hanging out the window saying over and over again we're going to beat you up. you're dead, you're dead. they wanted me to think they had a weapon. >> that lady is crazy. i don't know why she's saying i was going to kill her. nothing happened like that. >> bottom line, you don't owe where haleigh is? >> bottom line. i feel like it's on the other side of the family that has her. that's just how i feel. >> that's croslin on cbs early show. susan moss, mickey sherman, an bremner. nothing under the constitution will allow or disbar that statement from coming into trial if there is a trial. >> it's voluntary, it's knowing.
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absolutely comes into evidence. >> mickey, it's not that she didn't ask for a lawyer. we all know she's got a lawyer, but she's adamantly refusing to heed his advice. he won't do an interview, do you blame him? he's got a fairly good reputation. he says don't do this. don't talk to police. that's the one kick ore, the one exception. >> it's the upper demo clients that won't listen to us because they are smarter than us. they are just paying money and we should listen to what they say. the lower economic clients, they usually do listen to us and take our advice. it's not happening here. >> keep on talking. we'll keep on listening and maybe we'll get a conviction. >> to you, our chief editorial producer, isn't it true when cops get to talk to her, every
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time, she gets a hard question, she says you know, i've got a lawyer. how does that go? >> the sheriff's office said she's walked out of interviews with them in the past. she's never said no, but when she gets a tough question, she reminds them she has a lawyer and won't answer. >> it's true. i spoke to that the other day. when he spoke to her 20 minutes before she left town, he got interesting things. she has yet to come back. >> now, another thing that i noticed she said to brian, the detective, is that the lady, the alleged victim in the road rage incident is crazy. i interviewed the woman. she's not crazy. she's an established pharmaceutical sales rep, she makes a great living. she has a family. she was out working that day. if you look at the timing, from
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the time she called police, she says they were following her, railing at her, hanging out the window for 30 minutes. it's still going on when police get there, brian. so, the lady is not crazy. she looked right at that camera and says that didn't happen. >> yeah. you know, first of all, i find it hart to believe going through the scrutiny she's going through, i find it hard to believe she could behave in that matter and have the energy to and lay under the radar. she seems like the person who wants to put blame on everybody else. she definitely has a lot of issues. >> doctor, thank you for being with us. little haleigh could have taken oxycontin at a drug party. i don't believe the theory, but
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would one tablet -- could it kill a child? >> if she took one and chewed it up. it's a dose that's a slow release drug. sometimes drug abusers use it by chewing up the tablet and they get a fast rush. they get a 12-hour dose in one dose. for a small child, it could be an overdose. kids usually don't swallow pills, they chew things. >> one of the things i find problematic. she says, you notice people that are suspects -- she's not a person of interest now, people suspected of wrong doing, of murder, they say i think they are still alive. >> i know. >> they always say that. >> it's like going too far as you know. i don't know anything, i'm not involved. they are not dead. taking it way to dead. >> if they are, to sit there
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after all the interviews with cops, i'm not worried about being arrested. >> that's right. >> every time i'm at a stop sign, i'm worried. >> absolutely. >> elizabeth smart, she was alive. there's an exception to the rule. >> you're right. i'm not asking you about the exception to the rule. i'm asking you, why is it that people that are suspected say they are still alive. i have a feeling. >> well, obviously, she's trying to profess her innocence in one fashion. if there's a relationship to the person of the young boy or girl, it's wishful thinking. when anybody has a tragedy, they are hope iing for the best. that could be part of it or it could be a magnet that doesn't cover it. >> she says she feels like the child is alive. she's acting like the child's biological mother. that disturbs me. she should be at a jr. prom, not
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pretending to be mom. >> i was to go back to haleigh's grandmother. teresa, what is ronald making of all this? i mean, she's clearly got inconsistent statements. >> yes, ma'am, she does. ronald decided to leave it up to law enforcement, let them decide what's right and wrong. hopefully bring haleigh home. >> has misty croslin signed the divorce papers, yet? >> no, ma'am, not to my knowledge. >> what did you say? did you say no? >> not to my knowledge. >> why? is she hanging it over your son's head? why? >> i do not know. it was my understanding she would sign the papers right away. i guess she's busy doing other things right now. >> like what? what's in orlando? why does she keep going there? >> she's staying there with
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someone she met while doing the test with tim miller. >> everyone, as we go to break, i want to say a big thank you to lifetime drop dead diva, a model that dies in a car crash, then returns as a lawyer. an appearance on our program. "drop dead diva." >> i'll do the show, if she gives me the whole hour. yes. that works. everybody is calling about the case, newspapers, cable. >> you like talking to the press, don't you? >> i'm the lead attorney. those reporters contact me before you. i decline their calls. if i decide to start talking, who do you think goes on "nancy grace." well played.
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breaks news in the shocking boy scout murder. investigators say there could be additional arrests in the case. >> the participants intended to kill the occupants of the home, if anyone was present. >> fourteens in the machete hacking death. >> she died of multiple stab wounds. her 11-year-old daughter surv e
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surviving. now, recovering at a boston children's hospital. multiple search warrants executed. dozens of people interviewed as authorities search for a motive and additional suspects. >> chris fer is charged with the most heinous crime, murder in the first degree. >> he was armed with a knife and stephen spader had a machete. authorities say william marks and quinn glover were armed. the mom and her 11-year-old daughter were inside. >> it was on a nice road. >> they face three charges that include first degree murder. prosecutors say both suspects hit kate and her daughter with their weapon. kimberly died in her bed while the 11-year-old suffered serious injuries. >> it doesn't appear her injuries are life threatening.
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it's not by any means to minimize the severity of the attack. the participants intended to kill the occupants of the home, if anyone was present. >> straight out to joe with the boston herald. joe, i've just heard the disturbing news that the little 11-year-old girl's toes were hacked off. >> exactly. sources told us the girl's toes were chopped off in the heinous attack. she's recovering in the children's hospital in boston. they discovered her toes at the crime scene. >> to dr. lee, is there any way i know of other body parts, hands, legs, fingers that have been reattached. is that a possibility here? >> well, i mean it depends on the amount of time and when they
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found the toes and if they transported them and didn't have a long time. certainly, with fingers, which are more useful, it depends on which toe. a big toe, they will spend the time to transplant because of balance. sometimes, a baby toe, to go through all that surgery, they might not do it. >> what is aseemic. >> a scheme ya means how long the toes were off before they could put them on ice and get the blood vessels to contract so the tissue doesn't start to die. you want to get the, you know, the part brought to the hospital. >> as fast as you can. to the lawyers, you know, mickey sherman, that was to torture that little girl. that was to torture her. now, you can't tell me anybody is caught up in the heat of passion, they are in a pact mentality, then i find out the
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little 11-year-old girl has her toes chopped off with a machete. i can hardly form the words, sherman. >> i didn't do it. the problem is, it's indefensible. it's absolutely indefensible. this is why people embrace the death penalty. you know, we saw because of the fallibility of the criminal justice system and the results, we have to get rid of the death penalty, then comes one of these cases which i call the end of the end of the death penalty. we want to say, let's kill them, then get rid of the death penalty. we are showing you photos. take a look at this. these are some of the guys being held on murder and attempted murder on an 11-year-old little girl. murder of the mother. here are the photos of the suspects from facebook. i want to show a shot of one of them holding a knife. could you please get that one
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for me? there you go. i believe there's one more. holding a knife. there you go. now, how would you like to bring that home to dinner, dr. lillian glass? >> horrible. it shows there's a lot of sadism, you can see it in their faces. it's repulsive. it soupds like a ritual type of behavior. >> out to clark, our producer. what more can you tell me? >> we are standing by for breaking news. authorities standing by for more arrests. authorities on the ground questioning more witnesses and seeking more answers. as you talked about, the 11-year-old girl had her toes removed. >> don't say removed. don't say removed. it's not what happened. they hacked her toes. a little girls toes. what is that, fourth of fifth grade, off with a machete,
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clark. they didn't remove them. don't -- don't sugar coat what's happened to this family. the father is out of town, working to make a living. he leaves for one night. that night, his wife is murdered, asleep in her bed, his daughter is nearly hacked to death. now, boy scouts and a mormon missionary being held on murder charges. what can you tell me about these alleged perpetrators, joe. joe joining us from the boston he remember herald. >> the one with the knife was going to go on a mormon mission, but he also spoke about the commandment of thousand shalt not kill. he was having trouble getting over that. he was racked with hate, anger, rage. this is also true of stephen spader. he, too, was dark. he turned from a kid into theater to someone who is full
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of hate. they went in the early morning hours of sunday and just hacked this -- allegedly hacked this family apart. >> i'm just -- i'm just sick. i'm sick at heart. this child holding on to her life at the hospital. the father, no more wife, no more mommy. i got to tell you, trying to raise two children, it it takes two. as we go to break, happy birthday to north carolina friend jody. a smile that lights up a room. heart of gold. captain of the special olympics cheer leading team, the lady bugs. a swimming champ. loves taking care of children at local day care. happy birthday, jody. a special el low to abby. she's a 7-year-old westy. abby and her family, susan, casey, chris, never missed the program. thank you.
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tonight, cnn heroes. >> hello. for the past two for the past few years i've had the honor of serving on the blue ribbon panel that elects the top ten cnn heroes. as a contributor to the stark fund global, we sponsor projects that fans forms communities around the world. i see just how much we all need heroes. now i'm thrilled to have cnn introduce one of this year's top ten heroes. >> people just trying to save their life. the children were supposed to have -- what they were having there was far from normal. i'm a pilot. i support an orphanage to help
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the children. right from the beginning we give them vaccination, clothing, food. we cannot give them anything more valuable than a proper education. >> a, b, c, d, e, f, g -- very, very good. >> we are able to provide and encourage to just be who you are, help others and do it from your heart.
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what a week in america's courtrooms. take a look at the stories and more important, the people, who touched our lives. why a divorce now? >> we can't go anywhere without being questioned or people staring at us or anything like that. >> okay. so you're getting a divorce because people stare at you? i don't believe that for one minute. "jon & kate plus 8," is daddy headed to the big house? >> i would love to be mom and dad. >> hey, you talk the talk but you don't walk the walk. >> jon took $230,000 out of the
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joint account. jon claims he took $22,000 out. >> a nurse and her 11-year-old little girl brutally attacked with a machete and a knife. >> steven spader and christopher gribble charged with murder. william marks charged with conspiracy to commit robbery and armed robbery. all four of the suspects allegedly knew the plan was to kill inside that may be inside four trove road. >> there's someone following me and keeps harassing me telling me that he's going to beat my -- >> probably going 80 miles an hour and somebody else is trying to scare them -- >> i was saying a prosecutor would believe -- >> did you ever see "thelma and louise?" zblags a movie. let's stop and remember marine corporal. 20, on a second tour. he told his family when he lost
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his life, he wanted them to toast him an irish whiskey. dreamed of starting a family in alaska and being a state trooper. leaves behind grieving parents, brother, josh, fiancee, beth. jason karella, american hero. thanks to our guests but our biggest thank you is to you. special good night from the new york control room. and from california friend, also known as brett, our director's mother. isn't she beautiful? the proof's in the pudding. you've got a wonderful son. that was barbara. after all your thoughts and prayers, i'd like to report my mom is out of the hospital. she fell ill at church, leading the choir. i guess god answered her prayers. i'll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp eastern. until then, good night, friend. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com
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here's your hln prime news break. >> i am both surprised and deeply humbled by the decision of the nobel committee. >> president obama is named the winner of the nobel peace prize. head of the award committee rejections criticism it's too soon to give president obama the prize. president obama's positions on climate change and overtures toward muslim nations has given the world hope for a better future. mohammed zazi out on bail after pleading not guilty to a charge of lying to investigators about his son. his son, najibullah zazi is accused of plotting a terrorist attack in new york city. tiger woods could be going for the gold. the international olympic committee voted to include golf and rugby in the 2016 and 2020
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summer games. that's a look at the news.
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