breaking news tonight. a million-dollar mansion. a tv deal. personal stylist. a fleet of luxury cars of beautiful people, eight beautiful children. they had it all. but tonight, allegations of daddy ciphoning the last drop of the family's money to sport all his girlfriends and lavish lifestyle, to the tune of $12 $250,000. allegations of computer surveillance by daddy, a known

computer specialist. charges of drug use, x-rated sleepovers with a bar tender. daddy allegedly hired to babysit in the home with the children asleep upstairs and that is the tip of the iceberg. didn't we all know it would end in court? "jon and kate plus eight" is daddy headed to the big house? for years, jon, you had your children on tv, on a reality show. but suddenly when it's no longer jon and kate plus eight, it's kate plus eight, you suddenly have a problem with it and you want it to all come to an end and i don't believe that. >> regardless of the timing, i'm their father and i will do what's best for my children. >> you got your lawyer here? afraid to answer questions? whatever. what's important is the children and not these two self-absorbed husband and wife who argue constantly in front of their children. >> exactly. that's why the show is coming to

a stop. >> work on your marriage, wouldn't that be a better idea? >> exactly. >> if i could get kate to mediate and talk, we could do that. >> you've been to therapy together once and have not been back. >> i would love to go to mediation. i would love to be mom and dad. >> hey, you talk the walk but you don't walk the walk. >> you can't say you want to work it out. that's not working it out. >> in light of all the allegations and everything that's gone on in the past week alone, should the kids be in therapy. >> not so much as they need to go to therapy as jon and kate need to go into therapy and learn to quit arguing and set a good example for the children. >> how do you feel? do you feel like your kids need therapy? are you seeing any problems? >> well, i'm not a professional, but the hardest thing i ever did was tell them we're getting a divorce. >> i'm saying get the babies therapy because you never know. the effects of this could be far-reaching. and --

>> you don't know until you're an adult and sometimes that's too late. >> exactly. >> and that's what happened to me. i'm learning -- i mean, my father, his father. i'm learning to break the pattern. good evening, i'm nancy grace. $250,000, gone. allegations of illegal wiretapping, hacking into bank accounts, hacking into cell phones. claims of x-rated sleepovers with eight children asleep upstairs? "jon & kate plus 8," it had to end in court. >> we're in the middle of a divorce. why should we televise it? it's not helping. >> you're in the middle of a divorce because of you. and frankly -- >> wrong. wrong. wrong. kate approached me -- >> i've never seen two more self-absorbed people in my life. you have eight children hanging in the balance while you and kate -- >> sorry for talking over you. but in october she said -- >> no, you're not. you put your children on television for years, but now suddenly you stick a sign on the

house that says you can't film here anymore? is it because it used to be "jon & kate plus 8" but now it's "kate plus 8" and you're not making anymore money? >> absolutely not. i will always make money, and i'm not doing it for the money. >> he took $230,000 of the $231,000 that we have liquid. and i have a stack of bills in my purse i can't drop in the mail. >> she's making claims that she can't back up. if she said i took $230,000, where's the bank statement to prove it? >> you can't have it both ways. you can't make all this money, put your kids on tv, and then now when she's making the money say uh-uh, uh-uh. it doesn't work like that. >> it's not about the money. it's about getting my kids off tv. >> the kids have over the weekend -- i told them we're not filming at this point. and actually times eight there was wailing and sobbing. they love our crew. they love the interaction. they love the events. and there is nothing harmful about it. >> i'm not the bad guy here. i'm the one trying to protect my children. that's called being a parent. i'm protecting my children. >> not according to the legal

documents i have here in my hands. we are taking your calls. it all seemed too good to be true. the reality show "jon & kate plus 8." and in reality, it's not. it's not as good as it seems. not even close to it. now allegations of drug use, allegations of x-rated sleepovers in the home with the children upstairs. claims that jon gosselin has hacked into his wife's checking account, her cell phone, her computer. remember, he was, before he quit work, an information technologist for the state of pennsylvania, a computer wiz. straight out to chris jacobs, correspondent with "the insider." but now there are claims that he has siphoned nearly $250,000 off the family account? >> you know, nancy, that is the story right now. the truth has yet to come out, however. there's three sides to this story, as in most situations. there's kate's side. she says that jon took $230,000

out of a joint account. jon claims he only took $22,000 out. he's only been able to produce one withdrawal slip showing that transaction because of his inability to access the internet, we have not yet seen the bank statements. so we don't yet know what th >> wait a minute. wait a minute. chris jacobs, "insider." did you just say his inability to access his account? did you say that? >> well, what he told us here -- yes, he did, nancy. he told us here at "the insider" that he does not have the access to the online account that kate was supposed to give him, he was going to wait until he got home to new york. he arrived today. we still have not had any statements sent to us here at "the insider." >> so he arrived today, but still no clarification? i thought at an earlier stage, jane velez-mitchell, joining us is hln's host of "issues" and author of "i want." jane, didn't he admit earlier to taking about $100,000? >> well, this is a he said/she said and it's extraordinarily complicated.

essentially -- >> no. no. no. it is not a he said/she said because those -- even i, who am computer illiterate, can go on and check my account. okay? even i can do that. so don't tell me that an i.t. specialist, an information tech who worked on computers for the state of pennsylvania, who has allegedly made claims that he has hacked into his wife's checking account, her cell phone, her text messages, her e-mails, and he can't tell us his last withdrawal? >> well, look, she's saying he took $230,000 from the account. his point of view is that she has more than a dozen checking accounts. this is what he's claimed. and at one point he was heard screaming, "where's the $2 million?" so first of all, i'm wondering why the heck do they have a joint checking account, nancy, when they're in the process of getting divorced? how crazy is that? >> i want to go to clark goldband, our producer on the story.

clark, what can you tell me about the latest claims that are hitting the newsstands tomorrow in the "enquirer" that he allegedly has hacked into his wife's -- all of her accounts and actually bragged about it to the bartender turned baby-sitter? >> explosive claims from stephanie santoro, the cocktail waitress jon was friendly with, some reports say he had relations with her. according to these claims by santoro he, in fact, hacked into kate's cell phones, kate's transactions including her credit card and computer and even knew that kate allegedly was having an affair. of course, these are unfounded claims, but this is what jon told stephanie santoro. santoro says jon just casually one night mentioned according to this report that this stuff's not good, my good stuff's in new york. she said, jon, what do you mean? she realized he was referring to marijuana, nancy. >> let's unleash the lawyers. we are taking your calls with us. jennifer smetters, family attorney from chicago. renee rockwell, defense attorney atlanta jurisdiction.

and bradford cohen, defense attorney, miami. renee, what's he looking at if it can be proved by police, and they can do it if it happens, that he has been hacking into his wife's checking account, her cell phone, her text messages, her e-mails? what's he looking at? >> i can tell you about georgia, nancy. that is a criminal offense. you cannot check your husband's voicemail. you cannot check his text messaging. nothing like that. but what he's also looking at, nancy, is a contempt charge because of the arbitration he had to get consent before he took anything out of that joint checking account. >> now, hold on. would it make any difference, bradford cohen, if you are hacking into your wife's account? they're not divorced yet. >> well, here's the thing. there's two things that may make a difference. the first is you don't know who pays the phone bills. you don't know if this is a family plan -- i don't know if the phone is actually in his name, so he was actually just hacking her phone -- >> it's in her name.

it's in her name. it's in her name. >> if it's in her name, i don't think it makes a difference whatsoever that it's his wife in terms of that he's hacking into her phone system or hacking into the computer. now, if it's a shared computer, again, that's another issue. if it's a shared -- >> they are not living in the same home. hey, hey, hey, hey. have you been living in a -- put cohen up. have you been living in a cave? he's living in his bachelor pad in new york -- >> currently. currently. you're correct. but i'm talking about when it originally happened, when he originally hacked into it. he said -- >> as i was saying, he's telling -- allegedly telling his girlfriend. last time i looked two plus two's still four. he got the girlfriend after they split. so he's not in the home anymore. all right? does that help? >> no, it doesn't help. because we still don't know when he actually did it. he may have been talking about something he did in the past. >> okay. got it. got it. jennifer smetters, weigh in. >> i think what he's doing is wrong, and i think it will come to bite him in the end.

what he is trying to do is manipulate the situation. people going through a divorce normally show the ugliest part of them. and what he is doing is showing a pattern and practice of using and manipulating information to his best interest. >> on the other hand, we've got to consider the source. right now this is only one person's word. was it pillow talk by bartender turned babysitter stephanie santori? >> kate and i are -- kate and i come together for our kids. we've always been there for them. we know what's best for them. please, people, stop interfering in our lives. we know what's best.

for years, jon, you had your children on tv, but when it's no longer "jon and kate plus eight, you suddenly have a problem with that. >> regardless of the timing, i'm their father and i will do what's best for my children. >> oh, you got your lawyer here,

afraid to answer questions. whatever. what's important is the children. and not these two self-absorbed husband and wife who argue constantly in front of their children. how about work on your marriage. >> if i could get kate to mediate and talk, we could do that. >> we are taking your calls live. to stephanie in indiana. >> caller: thanks for taking my call. he says he has his children's best interest at heart but the damage he's doing to his son by showing them all these women he's with, he's teaching them women are trash and teaching the daughters it's okay for the men to teach the women like trash. >> to dr. jeff gardere. what about it?

>> your caller is right. what we see in these sorts of divorces, people become so angry, we see the worst behaviors come out and they don't think about the kids. they act out to the point if the kids are around, they become collateral damage. >> you're seeing shots of jon gosselin partying all over the country with one of his girlfriends. what do we know about his, chris jacobs? >> we don't know much more than she's 22 years old. >> chris, here's her mug shot. that's a little detail you might have missed. >> we have only seen the worst of haley. but jon claimed to me in an interview that he is in love with haley and he does plan on

staying with her. >> chris. chris, chris, chris. >> make of that what you want. >> he said that of kate, too. i don't care about that. what i care about is what's happening in court. the custody battle that is brewing and allegations of siphoning $250,000 plus hacking into bank accounts, text messages, cell phones. those are crimes. and if they're true -- >> yes. >> -- he's headed to jail. all right? if they're true. >> this situation has more twists and turns than the hedge maze at the end of the movie "the shining." we just don't know where the out is. what we do know is that jon made one withdrawal for $22,000. whether there were others we do not know. and it kind of surprises me that there hasn't been a financial forensic investigation yet, that we don't have these bank statements which purportedly would show what the truth is. those have not been produced by either side. >> well, do we know that? it may not be time to produce them. very quickly, to marc klaas, president and founder of klaaskids foundation. i want to talk about custody,

marc klaas. and we have seen, you and i both, in situations like this, it escalate. escalate rapidly. we know that the girlfriend, hailey glassman, has this arrest record. we know that there are allegations of him having x-rated sleepovers in the home with the bartender turned babysitter while the children are there. now these allegations of siphoning a quarter million dollars. how could that or would that affect custody? >> well, i'm certainly no family lawyer or lawyer of any kind, but what i can tell you, nancy, is the abysmal behavior on the part of both of these parents, and particularly jon, is revictimizing these children on a regular basis. they're subject to peer pressure. they're subject to finding out about this stuff as it's been documented in memoriam. and at some point they're going

to realize their father is out there blithering on about millions of dollars, their mother saying that he's stealing the money, and the whole world's watching this thing absolutely aghast. i feel terribly for these little kids because -- >> i do too. >> -- certainly they are caught in the cross-hairs some of very bad behavior. >> we're coming down on jon gosselin. but prior to this i've never seen two more self-absorbed people in my life. in every shot the children are just looking up to them clambering for attention and they're not getting it. to candy in illinois. hi, candy. >> caller: hi, nancy. thanks for caking my call. >> thank you for calling. what's your question, dear? >> caller: i have a question about if jon's putting a halt to this show and that means no income, does he now have to come up with money of his own for like alimony, child support -- >> you mean like -- candy, are you suggesting that he work? what about it, jane velez-mitchell? >> according to this report, one of the women says he's planning

to ask for alimony. so it would appear that he might want to be supported by kate if she has the money, if she's able to continue the show. then, again, he's trying to stop the show, so if he stops the show entirely he could run out of his source of income. >> it's not about the money. it's about getting my kids off tv. i feel that my kids -- >> why was it okay when you did it? >> because i wasn't -- i feel now empowered. >> you're broke? >> no, i'm not broke. i'm not broke at all. >> i can see that. you've got on two diamond earrings. you're obviously not broke. >> actually they're czs, but i'm not going to go into that. >> don't care.         

they love the camera crew. they love all those guys. they make nicknames for them. you know, the p.a.s, the production assistants there. they play with the kids. we all get along and play together. and it's like a family environment. that's how we worked together. it's comfortable for the kids. that way there's no animosity. i mean, that's the way it is. >> you put your children on television for years, but now suddenly you stick a sign on the house that says you can't film here anymore? is it because it used to be "jon & kate plus 8" but now it's "kate plus 8" and you're not

making any more money? >> absolutely not. i will always make money, and i'm not doing it for the money. i'm doing it to restore family values. i'm -- >> say what? >> i'm doing it to restore family values. i want to -- >> do you think by dating hailey glassman when your divorce is not settled that you're restoring family values? and look, hey, i'm not all about family values. i'm just saying that you can't have it both ways. you can't make all this money putting your kids on tv and then now when she's making the money say uh-uh, uh-uh. >> i know that personally, for myself and the kids, this has been a good experience. it continues to be a good experience. >> will you demand that that money be redeposited in the account? >> i have to in order to keep my kids where they live and to put food on their table. i need that money to provide for them. you have to understand my position here. we were in a position after our sextuplets were born that we could not pay our bills. we did the show to provide a better life for them. never did i think i would be

back in the same position, worried about providing for them. >> that was kate gosselin on nbc's "today show." restore family values? what's he going to do with all that money, chris jacobs? go buy another ed hardy t-shirt? how much do those things run? couple hundred bucks for a t-shirt. >> whatever it is, they're charging too much, nancy. again, i mean, we have to put the word "alleged" in front of everything that has to do with this situation. the truth is that third side of this story. and the longer it goes on -- >> why do you keep saying there's a third side of the story? what do you mean by that? >> well, because i say there's -- >> his side, her side. what's the third side? >> the truth is the third side, nancy. >> well put. >> the truth is the third side. >> well put, chris jacobs. back to you, clark goldband. we were supposed to be in court today. what was to be heard? unfortunately, the judge's wife, extremely ill with cancer. what about it? what was set on the menu for

today? >> that's right, nancy. all eyes on a montgomery county, pennsylvania, courtroom, where these charges kate gosselin has brought forward, saying jon has taken $230,000. she wants that money repaid within 24 hours. also, what she wants is 60 days of receipts for every dime jon gosselin has spent. she also wants jon gosselin to turn in his mercedes and bmw in -- >> wait, wait, wait. he's got a mercedes and a bmw? >> yes. >> okay. go ahead. >> she wants him to turn in the bmw and mercedes in lieu of this money. if some of the money has already been spent, and it very well may now that this hearing has been tabled till next week, kate gosselin -- >> you're right. $200,000 will go pretty fast with that kind of spending if he's got a whole week without any court controls. to john lucich, former criminal investigator and president of high-tech crime network. he says he actually told "the insider" that he could not get access to his bank account. okay?

my mother, who is in her 70s, knows how to access her bank account on the computer. i know how to do it. and he, the i.t. expert, the computer wiz, cannot get access to his bank account? b.s. now, telling me that makes me suspicious. >> oh, there's no doubt about it. in fact, what may have occurred -- and again, there's a lot we don't know about. maybe she changed the password and he couldn't get in, which led him to hack into that. now, if he's an account holder on that and he has authorization to get into that account and use that account, then it's not actually hacking. and as far as all the other allegations against this guy, where they're saying that he may have violated wiretap laws, all the things they talked about are stored communications. those communications are not in transit. e-mail, voicemail messages, all stored communications and none of those actually violate the wiretap. there may be some issues if he violated the security on those accounts where he didn't have access to, and that is hacking at the federal level and state levels and punishable -- >> you know, john lucich, i'm

not exactly sure what you just said, but after practicing law since 1984, and yes, i will date myself, i know that it is a crime -- i don't need to go look it up in the code annotated. it is a violation of the law to hack into somebody else's e-mail account, to hack into their cell phone account, who they've been calling, who they've been texting -- >> if that's what he did. you can get access to that e-mail without going into that account. it's all on that hard drive, and if someone imaged that hard drive and if he's a technologist and knew how to get access to those files, he could easily recover -- >> can you break it down, lucich? can you break it down? you don't need to throw around all the fancy computer talk with me. are you trying to say that if he's sitting at the home computer and he's got access to it there and he doesn't have to hack in, it's not a violation, but if he is remote and he's using somebody's pass codes or otherwise getting in surreptitiously that that is a violation of the law? >> absolutely. it's a violation of the law. >> okay. got it. out to the lines, chantel, pennsylvania. hi, dear.

uh-oh. marilyn, missouri. go ahead, marilyn. >> caller: yeah. everybody's talking about it's jon and kate's money. it seems to me like it's the kids' money. why ain't they putting it in an account and have a guardian take care of it? >> marilyn, truer words were never spoken. if she's telling the truth, to you, jennifer smetters, renee rockwell, bradford cohen. she said that they started this whole venture of the reality tv show to better their children, to let them all go to college. for pete's sake, they've got eight of them, renee rockwell, why isn't there a guardian taking care of the children's finances? >> there will be now, nancy. and what a recipe for -- >> well, that's a day late and a dollar short. >> i know that. but what a recipe for disaster when you have $230,000 and people that are in a joint account and people that are at each other's throat. i think that they were bound, somebody was bound to grab that money. >> you know what? we don't know all the facts yet,

cohen, but you tell me, ed hardy t-shirts, mercedes, bmw, sprees to las vegas, a bachelor pad in new york. uh-huh. that is not fitting together with a guy who wants to restore family values. and all you people that think, oh, kate was a witch, she was evil, she was mean, that's not what this is about. this is not miss congeniality or mr. personality contest. this is an alleged crime. >> oh, yeah. listen, everyone agrees that i don't think anyone is an angel in this. certainly he looks worse than she does at this point. but who knows what's going to come out? the behavior that he's, you know, doing at this point obviously is not the behavior he wants his kids to see -- >> i'm asking about a guardian. and everybody, you're seeing pictures of jon and kate's children from tlcdiscovery.com. repeat, bradford. >> i believe there's probably trusts that were set up for these kids.

i don't think that $230,000, from what i've read, was attributable to the kids' income. i believe that the kids have separate accounts, is what kate said originally, that they had separate accounts. now, i don't know for sure because we don't know -- we haven't verified that fact. >> got it. >> but usually in situations like this there are separate trusts set up for minors. >> to smetters, jennifer smetters, why has the court not set up a guardian for the children's finances so exactly this type of thing couldn't happen? >> well, you know what? sometimes the courts actually expect that the litigants are going to have some integrity and follow the court orders. that didn't happen here. they're going to see a guardian appointed now. and also probably a guardian for the children to see what their best interests -- to make sure their best interests are being met. >> to stephanie in louisiana. hi, stephanie. >> caller: hi, nancy. i love your show, by the way. >> thank you. >> caller: but i was just wondering why everybody's coming down so hard on jon and nobody's saying anything about kate? >> okay. stephanie.

what do you have to say? >> caller: well, talking about how he has these cars. but if you look at her, she's got two vans. she lives in a $1.2 million house. and everything she gets is free. nobody's saying -- >> but remember. remember, stephanie, that's the home where the children live. >> caller: correct. >> when it's her visitation, she's there. when it's his visitation -- >> caller: but she goes on vacation. >> as i was saying, when it's his visitation, he lives in the home. it's kind of a little bit of a wacky situation. >> caller: it is. but she's always taking vacations, and she's got all these nannies for these kids. she's not even with them. >> everybody, we are taking your calls live. but quickly to tonight's safety tip. atms on every corner. and so are crooks. common sense goes a long way. never use atms in the backs or sides of buildings. find one in a very busy common area. prepare your deposit slips and envelopes ahead of time. with those drive-up atms keep the car running and the door locked. never, never, never write down

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to be the subject of two 911 calls in just a spate of months is not a good thing for girlfriend turned stepmother misty croslin. she was at home alone the night a little girl, 5-year-old haleigh cummings goes missing out of her own bed according to croslin. and now she's accused of a road rage incident that left courtney in fear of her own life.

does it ever end with this bunch. courtney ballinger, you're a pharmaceutical sales rep, you have to travel from doctor to doctor, you can't get away from being on the road. i would assume that this is one of your fears, that there would be some type of incident on the road. >> absolutely. i've done this for over a year now, driving every single day, all day. and i've never come in contact with someone so aggressive and so relentless on, you know, just non-stop. i mean, i've never come across -- >> how long do you believe that they pursued you? >> about 30 minutes. i would say it was about 30 minutes. i mean, it was a very stressful ten minutes.

when they reached down and started flailing something around, they wanted me to think that they had a weapon. they wanted to scare me. that's when i called the police. >> out to the lines. cathy in florida. >> caller: hi, nancy. my mother and i love your show, your beautiful children and our prayers are with your mother. if mist i got up and seen the storm door open held open by a block, was the inside door held open also, or -- i just don't understand that part. >> to rosy in the control program. see if you can pull up that video of marlaina in the home. >> the answer to that is, no, she wouldn't have seen it immediately because the inside door closed automatically. the only theory that we have, and it's only a theory, is maybe

the inside door was propped open with some laundry on the floor maybe holding it open. so that's where we are with that. >> you're seeing the inside of the home. there's the video of marlaina's tour of the home. just keep that rolling, because in a moment we'll see marlaina walk to that back door. cher in illinois. hi, cher. >> caller: hi, nancy. love your show. >> thank you for calling in. >> caller: praying for your mom. >> thank you. >> caller: got a question regarding misty. with her flunking two polygraphs and a voice stress test and everything else that's been reported about her, she would have to be considered a person of interest. why do they keep letting her leave town? >> let's go to the lawyers. john burris, just as a person of interest, they can't make you stay put. >> absolutely not.

person of interest is free to go. they might think you're involved but they don't have sufficient evidence to tie you into it. so they're free to go wherever they would like to go and no law can stop them. they need to go to a different level to have probable cause to arrest them. >> you're right. and raymond, she's not been named a person of interest and i think there are reasons for that. either they don't have the evidence, or once you're named a person of interest, that could invoke your constitutional rights. >> that's right. and i think they're allowing her to do this type of behavior and hopefully something else to lead them to, i hate to use the phrase, the smoking gun, the crucial piece of evidence to solve this crime. >> to dr. mychal bell. if the child is still alive. we know she has intense asthma and turner syndrome. what obstacles is she facing? >> the biggest problem would be her asthma.

if she has a serious asthma condition, she's going to need medication. asthma is going to prevent you from breathing normally and that could be a serious condition. >> everyone, very quickly, still taking your calls. i want to tell you about a group of boy scouts, and a mormon missionary student who allegedly commit murder on a defenseless woman asleep in her own bed. a mother and attacked the 11-year-old little girl. take a listen. >> prosecutors say christopher grible was armed with a nice and steven spader had a machete. when they entered the home, kimberly and her daughter were sleeping inside. they face three charges including first degree murder. both suspects hit the woman and her daughter.

kimberly allegedly died in her bed. marks and glover are not charged with murder but are with burglary, conspiracy and armed robbery. >> to robbery. >> to maria cramer, crime reporter with "the boston globe," i understand that daddy had gone out of town that night? >> yes. the father was away. and he was away on business. and kimberly kates and her 11-year-old daughter were at home alone when the attackers came in at 4:30 in the morning on sunday. >> what went wrong, maria? boy scouts? missionary students? >> two of the young men charged, and that would be steve spader and chris gribl were boy scouts together. chris was also a mormon. that's correct. basically they fell apart. what we're told by family and friends or friends and neighbors, chris began to dabble

in knives. steve spader was bipolar, wasn't taking his medication. around his sophomore year in high school people really began to notice a change. he was dressing differently, acting differently, wasn't the friendly, funny kid he used to be. >> we'll be right back with maria cramer from "the boston globe" taking your calls.

charged with murder, burglary, conspiracy to commit burglary and armed robbery. prosecutors say all four of the suspects allegedly knew that the plan was to kill anyone who may be inside. >> the defendants were aware going into the home that if there was someone in the home, that they were to have kill them. >> prosecutors say spader had a machete and gribble was armed with a knife when they attacked kimberly kates and her 11-year-old daughter who were asleep in the house. prosecutors say kimberly dates

died of multiple stab wounds. her daughter was also seriously wounded and underwent hours of surgery. >> how humans can do something like that, it's a barbaric act. >> straight back to maria cramer with "the boston globe." so the mother and the little girl were home alone. i understand they live in kind of a secluded area down a dirt road, a very tranquil, almost idealic setting? >> yes, exactly. it's the way you picture any new england town. it's beautiful. heavily forested. there are rolling hills, vistas. it's a gorgeous place to live and a beautiful place to raise your children. >> oh, my stars. oh, i just hate it for the father to be out of town working, trying to support them. and he gets this call. the wife is dead by machete attack. and the little girl is clinging to her life. the dad still standing by at the hospital with the little girl.

clark, what more can you add? >> it's our understanding from prosecutors that, in fact, these men -- or should i say teens chose these victims at complete random. according to prosecutors they made a pact to hunt and kill whoever was inside that house, not knowing who was actually there. >> you know what? that doesn't even make any sense. i think they had to know the father wasn't home. and to you, dr. bethany, psych analyst, boy scouts, mormon missionaries enter a pact to kill and dismember? i don't get it. >> let's call this what it is. this is four monsters who found each other in a small town. they had probably been plotting and planning, row mant sizing the idea of murder. it was probably really exciting to them. there was probably one ring leader who really made the final plan and incited the others to follow. >> everyone, let's stop and remember army staff sergeant

john linde. awarded the bronze star, purple heart, army achievement medal. loved outdoor, fishing, racing atvs, dreamed of being a cop. leaves behind grieving father john, sister, widow, velma and teen daughters. thanks to our guests, but especially to you for being with us. and tonight, please send your thoughts and prayers to our friend, eleanor odom. just through emergency open heart surgery. everyone, i'll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp eastern. until then, good night, friend. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com