these are some gay right supporters wanting to stop don't ask, don't tell. plus same-sex marriage in d.c. over the weekend. rush limbaugh owning an nfl team. some of you say, hey, let him buy it. others are saying heck no. we have your views plus the player's union pipes in saying no way. money bags, lots of them, they fall off an armored truck. do you grab them and run for the hills or do you turn them in? what one fellow decided to do with all that. all that and more on "morning express." a car bomb killing at least 41 people when it exploded near a busy market.

this was in northwest pakistan where solianjures were fighting with the taliban for control there. dozens more injured in a suicide attack targeting a military vehicle. we'll have more on that story a little bit later for you. a top health official saying you would be better off with a swine flu vaccine than without it. dr. ann shukit warn the risks from not getting the vaccine are higher than any potential risk linked to it. >> a lot of people are saying it's new, but it's important to know the seasonal flu vaccine is made the same way. 100 million people including children get the seasonal flu vaccine every year and it has a good safety record. parents are wondering if this is something new or if it has been fully tested. everything we know right now suggests a very good safety profile for the vaccine. >> it's okay to get swine flu

and regular flu shots on the very same day. it's dangerous for kids and it already killed 76 children in the united states. the cast of "hair" right there joining the push for same-sex marriage rights and an end to the military's don't ask, don't tell policy. thousands of marchers marched in washington, d.c., yesterday. they want promise to end the plan. one lieutenant facing discharge under that policy said it's time for change. >> i'm here because we're marching for equality. i march for many different things in the army. we fought for many things, but when there are people who are discriminated against in our country, it's our responsibility to step up to them. >> the president says he wants the ban repealed but that will be difficult and mr. obama is not doing enough.

the band has the support of some of the military and senator saxby chambliss, too. we'll hear from him in about ten minutes along with one of his colleagues who has a different idea about that. one woman is accused of driving drunk in a crash that killed her daughter's 11-year-old friend. police say there were seven girls between the ages of 11 and 14 riding in carmine's car when it flipped over in new york yesterday. they were having a slumber party. >> every one needs to be held accountable for letting their children or any other family members get in the car with somebody who is under the influence of alcohol. >> no word on the driver's response to the charges. she and the other girls were treated for minor injuries. a brand-new michael jackson song is out this morning. take a listen to "this is it."

here i stand ♪ ♪ in the light of the world love is grand ♪ >> sound like he's still got it. his brothers sing the back-up vocals in the song. "this is it" will be featured in the upcoming film about jackson's tour rehearsals before his death. bob, still has it there on his song. typical michael jackson voice right there. >> smooth. >> three decades didn't change much. bob, you have some change for us right now. >> heavy. talk about thunderstorm line richard. here it comes. it is coming into the areas that don't need any more rain. look at this i-85 coming out of atlanta and squall line racing on by and this little area had a tornado warning an hour ago and haven't seen one since and the heavy rain is here. pull the picture out a little bit farther and one to two inches of rain has fallen in the

major cities and right into birmingham back towards atlanta and more is on the way, probably another three to five inches before it's all said and done. look at the rain coming out from northern parts of arkansas and northern louisiana and stretching all the way into south carolina. here is charleston, south carolina. take you live right there and scattered showers off and on for the morning and the heavy rain won't get there until later this afternoon and when it does, watch for one to two inches of rain in chuck town. that's what it looks like right around the coast of south carolina. what about the rest of the reengen. up towards the north, heavy snow being reported towards minneapolis and snow advisories out there and winter-type weather is definitely going on and all the area shaded in blue looking one to two inches of snow. out west another storm headed in with lots of wind and rain for california and i'll touch on that in the next half hour. >> plenty of rain in the plains

too. a strange cloud formation had a lot of folks talking. take a look at this picture here. people in moscow thought it was a ufo. something divine or something of that sort. it was a blast of arctic air being hit by the sun's rays and reject environmentalists claims that pollution caused the effect, bob. what do you think this thing is? >> it is a tough call. at first it looks like a hole punch cloud and eroding it and maybe it's lith up that way. it's a tough call. >> it looks weird, though right? >> it's cool and definitely not staged. >> people are probably freaking out. rush limbaugh wants to buy an nfl team but some folks are urging the league to take a pass on rush.

rush limbaugh is trying to buy an nfl team and the player's union is trying to keep it from happening. rafer weigel has been following that story.

folks have been piping in too. >> rush is not a popular figure going back to when he said eagles' quarterback donovan mcnabb is overrated because he is black. well, the head of the players' union sent out an e-mail to commissioner roger goodell saying sports should be a unifying entity. we're taking your thoughts on this. jeff wrote on our facebook page and said rush needs to stay behind the scenes of the radio booth. we have enough poor excuses on the field who are supposed to be role models. why do we need another one owning a team? it's okay for limbaugh to own part of the st. louis rams. just because some people don't like his political views doesn't mean he wouldn't be a good job as an owner. i'm speaking off the cuff the nfl practices corporate

socialism and profit sharing and the st. louis rams benefit from it. that's interesting if he changes his stance. cnn.com/robin. >> thanks, rafer. an accused hijacker is arrest 40 years after the hijacking of pan am flight 141. luis armando pena soltren returned from cuba yesterday. 1968 four hijackers forced the plane to go to havana. green peace says dozens of its members scaled the uk parliament. investing in clean energy. at least 31 protesters were still there this morning. >> wow. open enrollment season is here and you have some important decisions to make this year. jen westhoven is looking out for you. very costly if you make the wrong choices and these choices

last for the entire year. >> did you get your envelope yet? watch your mail. they're sending them out. that's your insurance through work. you'll see a lot of literature. a lot of times they don't let you roll it over. watch out for this buzz word this year, consumer directed. kind of code for you pay more at the doctor's office. you may pay a lot less out of your paycheck. lower premiums. 20 pe lower. something to think about if you think you might not be at the doctor's office that much. very hard to boil down health care into something quick and easy. it does mean when you go in you can pay more and if you have a family, for example your deductible can go up to $10,000 before your insurance kicks in in some cases. you have to be real careful with it. think about what you need. the insurance company hopes by using these kind of plans you think twice before taking on

something very costly. pop quiz. what do you think is better for the u.s. economy? to buy a toyota that's made in kentucky or to buy a ford that's built in mexico? well a cnn money story they talked to somebody from the federal reserve and his take is that it is still better overall more dollars for the u.s. if you buy a ford or a gm even if it's still somewhere else, no matter where it's built. look it's not to downplay buying a foreign brand name in the u.s. that does contribute to the u.s., but not as much in dollars as if you bought a brand that is based here. >> wow. that's interesting. they couldn't, because so many different ones they can't quantify. but that surprised me. >> a lot of folks will buy camries, for instance that are built in the united states. or toyotas built in the united states. it is still good for the u.s. just not as good. >> thanks a lot, jen. president obama by the way,

saying he'll ditch the don't ask, don't tell policy for gays in the military. you'll hear from two people who may have the power to change it or not.

this weekend president obama vowed again to end the don't ask, don't tell policy that allows gays and lesbians in the mailitary to hide their sexual orientation. now, one option is to push a

bill through congress, a key lawmaker says getting military support, though, is crucial to such a process. >> i think he will when he can. i think it has to be done in a right way which to get a buy in from the military which is now possible. other militaries in the west and other western armies have ended this discriminatory policy. we have done it suckacyfully. >> now, president oobumma could act without congress by using executive order to end the policy. there is a second way he could end it. some gay rights activists said harry truman used a policy in the 1970s. some say they're fine with there don't ask don't tell policy. >> it's been very effective, very accommodating for about 15 16 years now and it's worked well and i think there's no reason to change it. i get calls from military

personnel on a regular basis. every time this issue gets stirred up and this is not a popular discussion within the military i can assure you. >> senator lindsey graham also said the policy should not change just because the president made a campaign pledge. more on that story for you in 20 minutes. a 6-year-old cub scouts could face 45 days in reform school. he violated the zero tolerance by bringing his new camping utensils to schools. this is zero tolerance just going too far. supporters of the policy say it could be hard for administrators to distinguish innocent mistakes to real school threats. rafer weigel was a boy scout for a little while. >> that really touched a nerve because i was a boy scout and i think that's just going way too far. >> tough one man. 45 days of reform. let's talk about a team that rallied around a team whose wife

died a few days earlier to pull off an amazing victory in the final seconds. >> i have no idea how this man did what he did. mike zimmer comes home on thursday to find his wife had died unexpectedly. sunday he joined the team saying that his wife would want him to against the rival ravens and his players said seeing him lifted their spirits and they played spirited. now in first place in their division and there it is the winning touchdown with 22 seconds left and afterwards zimmer was given the game ball. >> my wife loves all of you, she's proud of you. win or lose she's proud of you and i just appreciate all of your effort. in other nfl news brett favre went from the big 4-0 to the 5-0.

brett and the vikings making them 5-0. first time in his career. best start he has had and vikings have had in five years. it's working in minnesota. this is sunday, listen. ♪ by the dawn's early light whose bright stars ♪ >> that's kind of sad. >> he's a professional singer. he's crying because he skipped one of the lines. a crash during the song and a crash during the race. an eight-car pileup. oh, my goodness. six laps left. casey cane i don't know how you see there. jimmie johnson wins his fifth sprint cup. >> hate when you miss those

lines. all right, thanks rafer. remember that hamburger we told you about a couple weeks ago that is on a doughnut bun? it got joy behar all fired up. >> tell me something. has anybody in this country ever heard of a salad? the new food sweeping the nation is the doughnut burger at 1,500 calories with a krispy kreme doughnut in place of the bun. it looks gross like some kind of giant zit waiting to explode. all that's missing is the whip cream, pepperoni pizza. i heard the combo platter comes with a side of fries and a defibrillator. 65% of americans are obese or aerve weight. 66% of if you count rush limbaugh's head. can i ask a question? exactly how big a burger do we

need? we have quarter pounders half pounders, fat burgers, in-and-out burger. nobody needs to eat half a herd for lunch. a bar owner in decatur, georgia, invented it and named it the luther burger in honor of luther vanderous who died of a heart attack at 54. how quickly they can get luther's fans to join him. heart disease is the number one killer in this country which makes me wonder. the people selling these two tons of fun cooks or killers. that's a little harsh, but think about it. if tobacco companies have to put warning levels on cigarettes, why not do the same thing on doughnut burgers? when you're done chilling, feel free to call 911. that should do it. >> you can catch the joy behar show at 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on hln. imagine going into a bar for

a drink and getting trapped in this. you're looking at a wild shootout at a bar in ohio. caught on tape. this is just one scene of this fierce gun battle.

killed at least 41 people today in northwest pakistan where the army has been locked in heavy fighting against the taliban. targeted a military vehicle, about 45 people injured in that. for the first time a woman considered the nobel prize for economics. announcing indiana university's elinor ostrom. created this particular award in honor of alfred nobel 40 years ago. ♪

♪ in the light of the world love is grand ♪ >> and that is it. that is a sneak preview of the brand-new michael jackson song "this is it." officially released at midnight on his website. the song will be in the new jackson movie and a new double cd coming out this month. his brothers if you listen carefully to that sing back-up. the insurance industry is releasing a report that slams the senate health care reform plan. a typical family premium will be $4,000 more than it would be under the current system. the white house is criticizing that report and a spokesman for the bill's author calls it a hatchet job. the senate finance committee votes on that plan tomorrow. the top health official says you are, you are you had better, says you better be you would be better is what i want to say, with a swine flu vaccine than without it. dr. annie shukit warns the risks

from not getting the vaccine are higher than any risks to it. >> the seasonal flu vaccine is made exactly the same way and 100 million people including a lot of children get the seasonal flu vaccine every year and it has a really good safety record. parents are wondering is this something new and has it been fully tested? everything we know right now suggests a very good safety profile for the vaccine. >> she says it's okay to get swine flu and regular flu shots on the same day. a woman who died in an arizona sweat lodge was in great shape. she was an avid surfer and hiker. brown and another person died after a so-called spiritual cleansing ceremony. 19 were hospitalized and self-help expert ran the ceremony but afraid to talk with investigators. participators paid as much as $10,000 for this retreat.

a man accidentally shot and killed his fiancee the day before their wedding. associated press reports that the man told investigators he fired add someone he thought was an intruder thinking his fiancee was still in bed. she died at the scene. police are investigating but they say so far everything points to a tragic accident. over the weekend president obama again promised to end the military's controversial don't ask, don't tell policy. it bans gays and lesbians in the military from revealing their sexual orientation. some policy leaders weighed in yesterday. take a listen. >> gays can't serve in the military, can't serve openly and there are lots of them and we are the beneficiary of all that. so i'll leave it to the current folks to decide whether it's time or not. >> no question, it's time to change a policy. the key to it isn't the military, but congress to change the law. they ought to do so and i'm confident that the military will move ahead on it. >> interestingly here, women are

much more likely than men to be kicked out of the military under don't ask don't tell. government figures show more than one-third of people discharged last year because of their sexual orientation. women account for 15% of military members. homosexualty may be more common among women than males but the gap could relate to dating rumors and investigation, as well. jury selection will begin today in martin luther king jr.'s feuding children. niece king and martin luther king iii are suing their brother dexter. they question whether he acted inappropriately as head of the king estate. an auditor is investigating the dispute. so bob is telling us about a lot of rain in the south of the united states, but also going to tell us about some rain in the west. everybody seems to be getting it

right now, i guess. >> a major storm ready to pull in towards california. not today more likely tomorrow. the clouds are firmly in place. we're talking san francisco down towards l.a. and extent going through nevada idaho and oregon and washington state. the clouds are here and rain not quite here. get there tomorrow afternoon and really heavy at times especially when you get to the mountains of the sierra. those are posted up there for the bay area. tomorrow afternoon watch for winds to gust from 60 to 70 miles per hour and that's a major problem and going to be a major rain event, as well. one to two inches of rain for you for the top of the sierra. give it 24 hours, it will start to happen. this is peachtree city and radar. atlanta is right here right here above this banner and look at the heavy rain pulling around i-85 all moving over to the northeast and producing tremendous amounts of rainfall.

here's what the tower cam looks like. delays of over an hour for the day. you can clearly see lots of rain on the lens cap, we're looking for another one to three inches of rain today on top of the one to two we had since overnight last night. flash flood warnings are out there for atlanta and also birmingham birmingham. all the areas shaded in bright red and extebdz towards birmingham and the rest of the green-shaded areas, a flash flood watch. not only today, but basically through tonight and tomorrow as waves of showers continue to move on by that's one thing we're watching. lower parts of minneapolis and then fading apart across central wisconsin and michigan looking for one to two inches of snow today, but that's about it. only a few advisories left from the morning and again one to two on top of what you have already seen. snow today, should be rain for you by tomorrow. >> those getting rain can't complain too much when you have

snow coming down in some parts of the country. >> we don't need any more rain we're getting a lot of rain this week. going to be about seven inches all said and done for atlanta. >> not good. a 95-year-old man is safe and sound now. but look at his car here. you won't believe who was in the right place at the right time to come to his rescue.

welcome back. horrific new details about last week's insurgent attack on a u.s. base in afghanistan. eight americans were killed in that and an apache chopper pilot describes getting the desperate call for help. >> my initial impressions were came over the hill and first

tried to call them and we got no response and everybody was gone. we could tell everything around them was going to hell and we could hear in their microphones the guns going off. we knew it was a pretty intense situation that they were facing. >> now this was the deadliest insurgent attack on u.s. forces in more than a year. 100 militants were also killed in this 12-hour battle. now, to an off-duty firefighter who saved a 95-year-old man who got stuck in a sinking car. the car fell in this water on saturday. the firefighter jumped in and pulled the man out, they held on until police came with a kayak to get them. another woman in the car also got out on her own. >> i was able to get my hands around the female in the driver's seat. she was on her way out of the water, up and out of the vehicle. i got my arms around her and pulled her onshore to safety. >> police are still investigating how this crash happened. at least they both got out. the yale graduate student

who was killed just days before her wedding will be honored on campus today. the 24-year-old was found five days after she vanished last month. her body was discovered stuffed behind a wall of a basement lab. a former lab tech is charged with her killing. the demonstration to show how effective fire sprinkles are got more exciting than anyone planned. look at this. >> let's get the firefighter extinguished, quickly help him, help him, help him, help him. they're on fire, chief. let's get a hose line. >> well it looks like they got a little trouble there and one firefighter spent a night in the hospital with burns on his cheek and hand. no one remembered there was a plastic sign above the practiceses fire. what happens it melted and dropped. those droppings then fell on the firemen and burning the plastic and the firefighters themselves. always a controversial

figure, rush limbaugh wants to buy the st. louis rams football team. chuck roberts is here with today's segments on your views and what you're covering this afternoon. >> we'll start at noon. there is a lot of push back, the players union said they want their own players to try to resist this but should the league turn down his check? what are your thoughts on rush limbaugh. a lot of questions and a lot of ways for you to comment. facebook page of course, e-mail. ireport.com. let's hear from you on this. should the league turn down rush limbaugh's bid? the media roots for black quarterbacks like donovan mcnabbs over whites. should they have a say in ownership change. the league doesn't consult players before they decide who will own one of the teams and also the issue of revenue sharing and would rush limbaugh fit well in a system like that where the loneliest teams and play in the biggest cities like the giants or other teams representing big markets. what are your thoughts?

there is the toll free number 877-835-54567. >> who would have thought, so much reaction from the nfl and rush limbaugh. those two coming together. but it certainly has excited and ignited a conversation. >> he has. he is a native missourien and he would be a joint owner with the st. louis blues, the hockey team. hope to generate a lot of comments. >> he is not going to bring it back to california. >> the l.a. rams. are they winless? nearly winless. your boss might give you a financial incentive to get off the sofa and get on the treadmill. employers are getting serious about so-called wellness programs. >> we heard about these before but it's really starting to happen more and more richard. according to the "l.a. times" more companies are saying if you want health insurance, you will be subject to a risk assessment test. they will weigh you and measure you and look at your blood

pressure and they're looking at you, your health and the likelihood that you may need costly medical treatment. they're figuring, hey if they're going to pay more you're going to pay more. if you lose weight or quit smoking, you'll get lower premiums and discount to the gym, too. if you don't you may get stuck paying higher deductibles. your weight is one number. another new magic number, 620. if you want to own a home. 620 is the new minimum fico score at least being said by mortgage giant fannie mae. because it's so big, that is expected to stick. you if you want a great loan it's more like 720. don't forget to pay your bills on time. check out the dow on the bottom, little over 99 there. >> thank you, jen. we've got unbelievable surveillance video of a wild gunfight at a bar. all this started with a fist

fight and what you're seeing here was not even the end of it.

and welcome back. a dramatic shootout is caught on tape. look at this unbelievable surveillance video we have for you. you would not want to be there. this is what happened after a fistfight turn under to a gun battle in toledo, ohio. people scrambled out the door but then shots kept on coming. shortly after that people captured people outside firing inside the bar. firing into the bar rather. amazingly, no one was hit, even though police found at least 17 shell casings. they're still looking for the gunman. right out of a movie, no one gets hurt. good thing. turkey excluded israel from a nato exercise. turkey is a muslim nation that supports israel, but their ties

have really suffered since the fighting in gaza last winter when hundreds of palestinian civilians were killed. >> we want to make this quart arquarter of peace. it is not only an issue of oep oening borders. we want to reintegrate our societies. >> after turkey's decision the u.s. and italy pulled out and now it looks like that exercise is not happening at all. here's one way not to go home after a night of drinking. one man stole an ambulance because he didn't think he had another way to get home from the bar. well, it was parked nearby because police were responding to an emergency. he is facing theft and dui charges. now, before kids take a math test they might have to take a drinking test. a massachusetts school district gave preliminary approval

suspected of drinking at its high school during the school day. but parents like the idea, but the it will just drive kids to use other drugs. the l.a. angels appear to have an angel in the outfield as they continue to rally around a fallen teammate. here's rafer weigel with more on that story for us. how is it going? >> good how are you? >> yeah. >> we're not pulling for the l.a. angels, necessarily, but it's been such a great story to see these guys just rally around their former pitcher nick adenhart. he was killed by an alleged drunk driver back in april. his jersey was hanging in the dugout this past season. they were down two runs with two outs and a strike away from losing game three to boston but somehow managed a miraculous comeback to sweep the sox and they'll play the yankees starting friday. this is proof that the baseball season is just too long. the phillies playing in colorado.

35 degrees at gametime. that ties the record for the coldest game ever and this was a day after the game was delayed because of delayed because of snow. and we've got weeks left in this baseball season, richard. phils won 6-5. >> better break out the parkas. >> and there's this football thing going on. brothers ely and peyton only the greatest brotherly duo ever. and you'll probably see these guys face each other in the football. eli and the giants rolled over the raiders so badly, eli didn't even need to finish the end of the game. this is seattle seahawks schmidt, banging himself in the head with his helmet, trying to psych himself up.

whoops. lastly, a maine couple took home the north american wife-carrying championships. if this isn't a fight waiting to happen, i don't know what is. a 278-yard course, featuring muddy water. i love this here. i a little role reversal. all about love and take. the winner of louiston we'll talk about this on the wait home. won five times her weight in cash. she was very little. so it was about $85. i've seen the techniques change over the years as we watch this. and now it seems to be tends to be over the shoulders that way as opposed to holding this way or like that. all these different ways of getting all that beer i guess. >> thanks rafer. talk about clean living a man from uganda found a new use for something we all take for granted. he has collected over 10,000 pounds of used soap from u.s. hotels. the soap will be remolded and sent to refugees in uganda who

can't afford to buy soap. the global soap project is aimed at preventing the spread of disease. great idea. to just see one real estate listing in chicago you've got to have $1.5 million in the bank. what makes this house so special?

right now on "showbiz tonight," famous for nothing. tonight, a take-no-prisoners eye-opening special report. the brand-new hollywood stars who are famous for doing absolutely nothing. >> we have all of these talentless no-names who just go on reality tv and all of a sudden, bam, they're famous. >> reporter: the kardashians, all those hills people, why do we care about them? should hollywood's a-listers be scared of these z-listers? tonight, "showbiz tonight" with the "stars" who are famous for nothing. loving the hollywood bad boys. david letterman's sleeping

around. jones go s gogosselin's alleged womanizinging. even levi jonston has a career for having a baby with sarah palin's teenage daughter. so tonight "showbiz tonight" asks why do women love these bad boys? and the most outrageous, the most controversial. tonight, "showbiz tonight" names the most provocative celebrity of the week. tv's first most provocative entertainment news show starts right now. hello. i'm a.j. hammer broadcasting tonight and every night from new york city. and tonight an explosive showbiz special report. "famous for nothing." and no, we're not just talking about the levi johnstons and jon and kates of the world. in fact, just the other day the kardashian sisters, they show up at the opening of a cupcake store in hollywood.

look at this, "showbiz tonight" is there as absolute bedlam breaks out. and just this morning, chloe kardashian cohost of "the view," she took her seats right there at the table with the likes of oscar winner whoopi goldberg and sherri shepherd and joy behar. this is absolutely frightening. and the really scary part of this whole thing, the worst may be yet to come. as we will now reveal in this showbiz special report, "famous for nothing." it used to be you had to know how to act or sing or have some sort of talent to become famous. now, you have a lot of stars out there who are famous for well, nothing at all. >> we have all of these talentless no-names who just go on reality tv and all of a sudden, bam they're famous. >> reporter: jon and kate gosselin dominated the news. >> i can't sit by someone right now that i despise. >> i have a stack of bills in my purse that i can't drop in the bill. >> but all they really did to

get famous was reproduce, a lot, and then break up. likewise, the kardashian sisters are big celebrity newsmakers, despite the fact that their reality shows aren't exactly a hollywood talent showcase. >> they really do absolutely nothing except show up for events and fight on television. >> reporter: the kardashians tell "showbiz tonight," they make no apologies. >> we are who we are and if people don't like it, we're still that way. >> reporter: sorry hollywood a-listers. all the attention we used to give you guys is now being hogged by a core of reality show stars with no real talent. >> let's try and break into his voice mail. >> reporter: and no shame. >> can you just put your own ego aside for a minute and just be the bigger person? >> no. i'm not the bigger person. >> reporter: "showbiz tonight" can tell you, hollywood is under siege by the invasion of the famous-for-nothing stars. >> it all started with paris

hilton. >> paris hilton showed the world how someone with no noticeable talent can crash hollywood's celebrity club and turn it into a lucrative business. >> heidi, will you marry me for, for real your dream wedding. >> the stars of "the hills" have taken what paris did to another level. >> with "the hills," we're pretending these are ordinary girls in los angeles, yet they're getting paid extraordinary amounts to be on this show. nicole laporte of the daily beast says she's found out how much the stars are pulling down for their show. "showbiz tonight" must warn you, some viewers may find this next part disturbing. >> lauren conrad receives -- or was receiving, i should say, $125,000 per episode and her three close buddies each received $100,000 per episode. spencer does not fair quite as well. he's a little newer to the show

so he is at $65,000 an episode. >> heidi montag had disputed those numbers, but it's safe to say that the stars of "the hills," like paris hilton make tons of money outside of their show. >> lauren conrad has her own clothing line. there are book deals spencer pratt and heidi montag have a book coming out. they get paid for showing up places parties in vegas, where it's, you know, like $25,000 to mill about for two hours and then go home. >> reporter: and that's a pattern the kardashians have started to follow with their constant and lucrative presence on the hollywood party circuit and their hit reality shows. >> you really think you're responsible enough to have a baby? >> reporter: the season finale of "courtny and chloe take miami" averaged more than 2.6 million viewers. kim kardashian tells "showbiz tonight" what she thinks of haters who say she's famous for nothing. >> hate is the new love honey. that's all i can say.

>> reporter: but as stars like jon and kate have shown us, those who seek fame for nothing are risking their privacy and even their marriages. plus entertainment journalist joe piazza tells "showbiz tonight," having fame without the talent to back it up can make your 15 minutes in the spotlight whiz by even faster. >> they're completely replaceable. there are thousands of families that would step in the place of "jon & kate plus 8" if only they could reproduce nearly as much. or that would step in the place of the kardashians, if only they were willing to make complete jackasses of themselves on television. >> but there's no shortage of stars joining up to line the famous-for-nothing club. so talented hollywood a-listers you've been warned. the famous for nothings are here to stay. ah, run for the hills. no scratch that, run away from the hills.

they're destroying hollywood as we know it not with talent but with -- well, no one really knows. but "showbiz tonight" is declaring today, it's time to stop the insanity. joining me today, hyla. in new york, cooper lawrence a psychologist and author of the fine book, "the cult of celebrity." all right, i have got to start with perhaps the biggest famous for nothing stars that people can't seem to get enough of right now. it is, of course, the kardashian sisters. kim, chloe and courtney. the other day there was absolute chaos at a cupcake store opening in hollywood not because everybody was excited to get a cupcake, but because they were there. hyla, where did these people come from, why do we care about them? >> everyone's got to stop hating. these girls are talented okay? they have a highly rated reality show. they're willing to put their lives out there. and most importantly, they're masters of marketing. these girls know how to get

press. that is a talent. i don't understand why people dismiss it. and for the most part, sex tape aside, which took place several years ago, they're really like clean, fun family. they're not boozing it up, getting drunk. you're not seeing any of the sisters rolling out of a club, stumbling, showing off their panties like some other celebrities we know. this is good clean entertainment. >> but, hyla they're famous, but i don't get the talent part. if you're just throwing a camera up on somebody, as all reality shows do and just filming what goes on in their life that's not talent based. this is the thing that really blows my mind. chloe kardashian, apparently, has earned enough star power with her so-called talent, as you say, hyla to guest host this morning on "the view," which blew me away, just seeing her up there. and she talked on "the view" this morning about marrying lakers basketball champion lamar odom after only a month of knowing each other. let's take a look at that fine moment. >> my mom and bruce got married three months after they met each other. they've been married for 19 years. they have ten kids together.

i don't know, i can't explain it and i think that's why my mom was so supportive of it. i got married a month to the day when i met lamar, so i know it was crazy. >> it was crazy she admits it. cooper, you wrote a fantastic best-selling book, "the cult of celebrity." you have to have some fantastic insight. why do we care about klhoe kardashian getting married? >> they do care. they followed 14 million kids and they found our levels of narcissism are higher than ever before. what does a narcissist love more than to watch somebody just like them who's a huge narcissist. and people who are narcissistic believe they should just be famous. they don't have to have a talent. you should just want to watch me. and these people are doing it. they're living the lives of these narcissists. if you're watching somebody like this you're taking notes they don't have a talent i don't

have a talent, they're famous i should be famous. let me figure out how to do this. if they can do it so can i. >> you're saying we're narcissists watching narcissists acting like the narcissists that we are. it makes me feel like i'm standing in a dressing room with mirrors on both sides of you. >> that's what it is like. >> and the cast of the mtv reality show "the hills." even if you've never seen this show, you've probably seen them on tv. and these guys make ridiculous amounts of money just to live the high life and have it filmed on tv. take a look at this. per episode lauren conrad was getting paid a reported $125,000. kristin calve lari $90,000. speidi speidi, a combined total of $165,000. that is just insane. they're making this kind of money while there are incredibly talented actors that are out of work making nothing. what am i missing here?

>> what you're missing is that mtv, that's their highest-rated television show in i think the network's history. they're making probably ten times what the stars are making. so in my opinion, i think that they should be making more, frankly. think of how much the network's making. >> okay. >> you don't agree with me? >> here's what i would suggest. just scratch them a little check and send them off if you think they should be making more. >> you know what there's good reality shows and there's bad reality shows. don't just dismiss it because it's reality. >> that's right. >> so many people trying to put shows on that don't make it on the rare. this is one of the biggest, successful running shows ever. >> hyla cooper lawrence thank you both. >> thank you. among the things i don't get, this is something. why do women just love the bad boys? look at "mad men's" don draper? he is married and the most popular character on the show. >> reporter: draper is a suave ad man who cheats on his wife, but supports her financially and

treats most other women like dirt. and women who watch the show love him. >> women also love real-life bad boys like even david letterman, levi johnston, jon gosselin. what is so appealing about these guys? the great debate over the bad boys. these bad boys are also this week's nominees for "showbiz tonight" most provocative celebrity of the week. yeah dave, levi and john fighting it out. find out who we pick. and also the brand-new war against models. >> models are freaks of nature. i think that maybe it's unfortunate they're called models, because it suggests that they are some kind of aspirational ideal. >> did that dude just say models are freaks? tonight, you've got to hear this. it's tun believable new push to get models off the pages of magazines. this is "showbiz tonight" on hln. now the "showbiz news ticker," more stories from the "showbiz tonight" newsroom making news right now.

take a look at this picture. absolutely unbelievable. look how thin this ralph lauren model is. the ad set off a raging war online with bloggers bashing ralph lauren for retouching the ad to make the already-thin model look even thinner. amazing. well the company has apologized, admitting that the

photoshopping, it did result in a very distorted image. but tonight i can tell you that because of freakish pictures like these, there's a big fashion magazine banning models from its covers. welcome back to "showbiz tonight." i'm a.j. hammer in new york. tonight, the raging brand-new controversy, are models total freaks? "showbiz tonight" is taking you to germany where a women's magazine is actually banning models from its pages. some people are even calling models freaks of nature. from berlin tonight, here is cnn correspondent diane amagne for "showbiz tonight." >> reporter: if you find all this a bit much and size zeros many sizes away, then take heart and maybe treat yourself to a pastry. because germany's top fashion magazine has decided to ditch models in favorite of what it calls real women. here's chief editor. >> fashion has changed. everybody, nearly everybody is a trendsetter today. michelle obama carla bruni, but

all the musicians and girls who are -- who live in the big cities. and i think you can see that the designers aren't the only trendsetter. >> reporter: so no more models on the magazine's front covers or anywhere inside in fact. come january its real women only, women with jobs and their own life stories, and bodies of all shapes and sizes. it lends another industry voice to an ever-growing chorus that says super-thin models can encourage eating disorders amongst women. many readers like the idea of a model-free magazine. just like you and me right? i think it's brilliant. it's better than i thought. i've been waiting for this for a long time. i have a little daughter and if she only sees thin women she'll think all the others who are fat that aren't thin like that. it's a good decision. thumbs up, then, for a woman on the street, but a problem,

perhaps, for models forced off the front covers maybe soon off the catwalks. fashion experts say, not likely. >> i've always credited people with common sense, that when they're looking at a magazine, they don't think, i want to look like that. you know i mean, models are freaks of nature. i think maybe it's unfortunate that they're called models because it suggests that they are some kind of aspirational ideal. >> reporter: they're hoping it's a strategy that will sell with readers, a gamble in an industry where thin is still in. >> it's not just germany that's pushing for a healthy image in magazines. in fact, a group of politicians in france wants to create a new law which would actually require all published pictures to say if they've been photoshopped. we never photoshop our "showbiz on call" operators. i think they look absolutely beautiful, even though we have been working them so hard all week getting all these calls about jon and kate. we got a call from claudia, all the way from hawaii, who says jon, he is the one that needs to be blamed for this mess.

>> caller: jon is the one that created this whole mess. kate is always there ready to work on their relationship, working on the house, working on the kids. jon is the one that's going through a mid-life crisis, wanting to screw around. he's the one that started all of this not kate. so he's the one to blame. she's still there ready to work things out. >> claudia, thanks for your call. we also heard from richelle calling into "showbiz on call" from michigan who says, nuh-uh, i think kate is more to blame. >> caller: i think kate is more to blame. what you're seeing is jon's reaction to kate's action. she is manipulating and he is reacting to it. maybe not in the right format, but he is reacting to it. and we've all seen how kate acts. and this is just a reaction. >> richelle, thanks for your call. you can call us at "showbiz on call" to sound off on this or anything else. "showbiz on call" phone lines are open all the time at

1-888-sbt-buzz. all right you must stick around, because, hey, it's friday. that means we are naming the most provocative celebrity of the week. will it be dave letterman with his sleeping around? levi johnston and his posing nude? or jon gosselin for being jon gosselin? and brand-new today after eight weeks at each other's throats, have jon and kate actually made peace? seriously, is there a truce? a peace deal? i guess there may be hope for middle east peace if these two can work things out. and is tori spellinging dangerously skinny? is she not eating because of her ongoing fight with her mom? the showbiz truth scowl is on the case.

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now on "showbiz tonight," loving the hollywood bad boys. is "mad men's" don draper the inspiration for a whole new generation of bad boys? >> reporter: draper is a suave ad man who cheats on his wife, but supports her financially. and who treats most other women like dirt. and women who watch the show love him. tonight, "showbiz tonight" asks why do women love real-life bad boys, like david letterman, levi johnston, and jon gosselin? it's tonight's showbiz special report. and those bad boys are this week's nominees for "showbiz tonight's" most provocative celebrity of the week. dave, levi jon.

will the one that you love to hate come out on top? and after weeks at each other's throats, have jon and kate made peace? and the question is will it last? plus, more stories breaking from the "showbiz news ticker." tv's first most provocative entertainment news show continues. welcome back to "showbiz tonight." it's 30 minutes past the hour. i'm a.j. hammer, broadcasting tonight and every night from new york city. and tonight, loving the bad boys. jon gosselin david letterman, levi johnston. they're all candidates to be named "showbiz tonight's" most provocative celebrity of the week, which we will do very shortly. there are other bad boys that women love like the cheating, smoking womanizing don draper on "mad men." but why? why do so many love these bad boys? well tonight it's the great debate. and here's cnn's carol costello for "showbiz tonight."

♪ >> reporter: don draper. he's the charismatic lead character in amc's "mad men," a tv series that takes place in the '60s, when women mostly stayed at home and men brought home the bacon. draper is a suave ad man who cheats on his wife but supports him financially. and treats most other women like dirt. >> just stop talking. >> reporter: and women who watch the show love him. >> don draper he's just so mysterious. >> it's a very particular type of magnetism. >> he's just so confident and he never doubts himself. >> you know it's not good for you, but you still want it so much. it's like, oh, my god, i have to have it. >> reporter: some female viewers love don draper so much they didn't blink an eye when he went beyond bad boy behavior to sexual assault. even jezebel, a feminist women's magazine gave him a pass for this, because "sometimes

assertive women get tired of always being so damn assertive. sometimes they like to be told what to do." are women secretly yearning for a bad boy? >> i think that women have throughout the ages yearned for the bad boy. >> reporter: psychiatrist gail saltz says women love the idea of don draper because today they feel overwhelmed in a down economy, with work the kids, and the needy husband. according to a study by the wharton school, women's happiness has fallen both absolutely and relative to men's. the '60s world of "mad men" is what dr. saltz calls a fantasy solution. >> the idea that sort of the knight would come in and scoop them up and make everything easier is also very appealing. but it's a fantasy that doesn't include being suppressed you're not having anything of your own, it doesn't include those things. >> i'm worried it's a fantasy. >> it's not. >> okay. so what's with the bad boys?

i can tell with absolute certainty, there is no short animal of them right now. first up david letterman sleeping around. and yet women like barbara walters and martha stewart have no problem supporting him. >> he's a very attractive man. very appealing. great sense of humor. >> he's a very attractive man. >> okay. next up bad boy jon gosselin. the alleged womanizer being bombarded by other women asking for his autograph. and if this isn't a sign of armageddon, even the father of sarah palin's grandson, levi johnston, has a career. he actually has a new ad for nuts and he's reportedly getting a ready to appear in "playgirl." joining me tonight from boston the patron saints of bad boys and in new york tonight cooper lawrence, a psychologist and author of "the cult of celebrity." all right, guys let's begin with dave letterman. he publicly admits to having sexual affairs for women who work with him, yet women still say, he handed himself well and

they're still watching. cooper, explain to me, please why are women loving this bad boy? >> i love that david letterman has become a bad boy. that's my favorite part of all of this. because we like the idea that we could probably tame them. that if they were with me you know, he wouldn't be such a bad boy. i would be in control. and there's something about women, now they feel like they want to have some power. and having power over a good guy, there's really no game to that. anybody can do that. if you can have power over a bad boy, then you are a woman to the tenth power. >> steve santa gotti as the resident bad boy this evening does cooper have it right? is it about having that power? >> i think that's part of it. and the other part, there's not a lot of real guys around anymore. and even though these guys are going creepy things sleeping with girls in the office jon splits on his wife with all those kids and what not, they're still like at least they're confident, making a choice and going after it. and the bottom line is all men

think like this. and a lot more guys would do it if they think they could get away with it. >> i don't think -- steve all guys don't think like that. but i hear you. >> they do. >> and maybe you're on to something, creepy but confident. i would like you to watch martha stewart and how she described david letterman in an interview to get a sense of how this bad boy comes across. watch martha. >> not at all disturbing to me. unless there was force involved which knowing dave he's not very forceful. he's a very attractive man, very appealing, great sense of humor. but, you know, men are men. i've put up with it all. god. >> even martha admitting she's put up with the bad boy behavior in the past. so cooper why do you think she's not calling out letterman as a bad boy. is it that creepy confidence she seems to really be drawn to? >> well, martha's in her 70s so is barbara walters, david letterman is older. it's a boy's club, you don't have to be a boy to be in the

boy's club. they are old school, those people, and they stick together. of course, they're going to support him. talk to some of the younger hosts and younger women and they're not going to have the same opinion of him. but they have this small little club with martha stewart and barbara walters and they have to stand behind each other. >> here's the guy i really need some help with. it's our next bad boy, jon gosselin. think about the things that he has done including on the day of his twins' ninth birthday, he ducks out of the house so he can say hi to the paparazzi. and we'll he's talking to them while he's doing that, i want to show you what happens. women come up to him to get his autograph. steve, i'm having a difficult time comprehending what women see in this bad boy, i don't get it. >> i think he was with this nagging woman that was wearing the pants in the relationship. she should have never married him. she was stupid for marrying her in the first place and now all of a sudden he's breaking out. and people love celebrities. women look at celebrities like they're some kind of god, like they have some kind of special

power. and they don't, so they don't care if he's creepy. it's amazing. a.j. i used to tell women how bad it was and they wanted you even more. i didn't understand it. but people like jon and me yeswe just go with it. >> cooper as a woman, do you want jon gosselin yourself? >> i don't want jon gosselin, but i want steve, so he's half right. >> again i bet he'll get you one of those t-shirt ifs you're really nice. so the bad boys are even making bigger headlines. tonight when "showbiz tonight" names the most provocative celebrity of the week, it's the bad boy edition. will it be david letterman for his sex scandal? perhaps levi johnston for his "playgirl" pose, or this guy, jon gosselin. we'll make that call in just a moment when "showbiz tonight" names the most provocative celebrity of the week. you won't want to miss it. thanks for being with us guys. appreciate it. so even if jon gosselin isn't named the provocative celebrity of the week, well he could win an even bigger prize, a truce with his wife, kate. this is remarkable. after weeks at each other's

throats, is it possible that jon and kate have made peace? and if they have will it last? we all know president obama won the nobel peace prize today but this jon and kate truce would be a miracle. tonight, is tori spelling is really a scary skinny 98 pounds? her friends worrying that maybe she's anorexic. and tori isn't heating perhaps, because of her ongoing nasty fight with her mom. we sick the showbiz truth squad on that case. this is "showbiz tonight" on hln. it is time now for the "showbiz news ticker." these are more stories from the "showbiz tonight" newsroom making news right now.

tonight, who will "showbiz tonight" name as the most provocative celebrity of the week? will it be david letterman

because of his sex extortion scandal? perhaps levi johnston, the father of sarah palin's grandson, who will reportedly pose nude for "playgirl." or will it be jon gosselin because, well he's jon gosselin? pretty tough choice. we'll make that call in just a moment when "showbiz tonight" names the most provocative celebrity of the week. welcome back to shiite. i'm a.j. hammer in new york. first, let's get to the big jon gosselin news today. his truce with kate. the warring parents actually put their weapons down in the name of their daughters' birthday. and this extraordinary, brand-new development made for big news breaking today. the world was really praisebracing for an all-out smackdown between jon and kate after jon read kate's private e-mail on camera to tmz. so did they duke it out? well, no, they didn't. jon and kate actually acted like grown-ups for one day as they celebrated the 9th birthday of their twin daughters together. go mommy and daddy!

tonight, we have the inside details on their newfound maturity. joining me tonight, hyla and megan alexander, a correspondent for "inside edition." and i must say, i'm shocked. i didn't think they had it in them, especially after jon read kate's private custody e-mail to tmz the day before the twins' birthday. take a look at this. >> i just got an e-mail from kate saying she doesn't want to see. >> she said she doesn't want to see you? can we see it? >> i would like to split the evening so they can see us both. i would appreciate if you would pick them up at the bus stop tomorrow at 4:00 and stay till 6:00 6:00. that's ridiculous. i'm going to stay longer than that. >> i think that was low for two reasons, because kate wanted to limit his time with the girls on their birthday and two, because jon read her e-mail publicly. i'm surprised they were able to set aside their differences for a day. did you think they had it in

them? >> isn't it nice that the jon and kate plus hate show take a day off and allowed us to breathe for a second. this was kind of surprising. i would like to see this for the next couple of days, weeks months for the sake of the kids. i don't know if that's going to happen. it come downs whether he'll keep his legal team. his lawyer is giving him really bad advice. and you know it's bad when michael lohan calls you out for bad choices. >> considering all of the drama they put us through, are you surprised they were able to patch it up for at least this birthday event? >> i'm pleasantly surprised and i hope this truce indeed lasts. and today was moveout day for the tlc crews. they got all their film equipment finally out of there. this family has a lot more work to do and it needs to be done those cameras are off. perhaps a positive step, but a lot more to go. >> i know the two of you and everyone watching right now is wondering, will jon gosselin be

named the most provocative celebrity of the week. we have david letterman, our first nominee as he wades through just waist-high muck after admittinging to sleeping with women who work for him. our next nominee the thorn in sarah palin's side, levi johnston. he has decided to take all of his clothes off and possibly pose for "playgirl." then you have the man child jon gosselin nominated yet again. so who does "showbiz tonight" name as the most provocative celebrity of the week? it is david letterman. hyla, what do you think? did we get it right? >> you got it right, 100%. sex in the workplace plus celebrities equals provocative, definitely. it's great that letterman has made it so that cheating is a funny topic matter. i love it. it's great. >> you can't laugh enough about cheating. megan, what do you think? letterman all the way this week? >> i think so. and everybody's been saying oh, he's a comedian, buttion what, iontion you know what at what extent and at

whose expense? being so public about this, one has to think how is his wife doing, how is his family doing? was it worth it to talk about it so much? >> and now this extortionist is sitting in jail facing these charges, the alleged extortionist, obviously, he got what he wanted in that dave is really suffering. i have to say, though there was a lot of the support for jon gosselin on our "showbiz tonight" facebook page. we asked you who you thought should be named the most provocative celebrity of the week. look at what a few people wrote. michelle b. writing, jon gosselin is getting on my nerves with his annoying voice. karen p. writes, can't stand jon, he is so immature and transparent, it's hard to believe that he's the father of eight kids. hyla, does any of that change your mind? maybe it should have been jon gosselin and not david letterman. what do you think? i'm sticking with letterman. sex, a very powerful word powerful image. i think that's going to resonate

with people a lot more. jon has plenty time in the coming weeks ahead to be bestowed this honor. so i don't feel bad for him. he'll be okay. >> but i will say this about jon. i'm having a hard time getting by why he thought it was okay to read kate's e-mail on camera for the entire world to see. there's nothing about that that makes except for the fact that maybe he just doesn't think at all. hyla, megan alalexander, thanks, guys. right now, we must move on to the big moon bombing that wasn't. there was so much huge hype over this big nasa experiment to find out if there was water on the moon. nasa rocket scientists blasted a rocket the size of a school bus into space and sent it crashing into the side of the moon. well, it was supposed to hit with such force that it would look like this. a massive explosion, kicking up a huge cloud of debris. well not so much. what happened, actually, looked more like this. at exactly 7:31 this morning, the very big blast was a very big dud. it was just a white flash.

but this morning, the "today" show was able to dig up some top-secret intel about the blast and co-host al roker explains what really went down. >> that moon bombing thing. but good news. we just got in new video from nasa's mission to dive-bomb the moon. apparently, a little more spectacular than we first thought. take a look. >> calling bugs bunny. earth calling bugs bunny. are you there? have you prepared a statement for the press? >> yes, i have prepared a statement. get me out of here! >> so there you go. that's what happened. as we move on today. bad boy levi johnston plans to possibly take it all off for "playgirl." tonight, one of tv's hottest mamas is stripping for playboy magazine.

marge simpson wearing nothing but a smile and her mile-high hair. ticker. making news right now -- and now, making it work. "showbiz tonight" reveals the secrets to how stars make their relationships work. tonight, suzy essman. i love her. best known for her role as suzy green, verbally abusive wife of the manager "curb your enthusiasm." in real life, she's a newlywed marrying her longtime boy fwrend just last year. they had a long distance relationship before they tied the knot. even though they share a home,

she says time apart is still a key to 345iking her marriage work. >> i think that separation is really healthy and good for a marriage. i think it helps a marriage that we're not together all the time. i really do. >> you miss each other? >> we miss each other. it keeps it exciting keeps it interesting. even though i hate when i miss him i love when i miss him. >> i get that. she has a big new role. a mom. stepfop to her husband's four children. this is "showbiz tonight" on hln.

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