okay. first david letterman is sleeping with staffers. now it appears as though jimmy kimmel is dating a staffer. is this office romance thing basically a showbiz phenomenon? does it go on everywhere? if so, why don't we hear about dentists getting their groove on at the spit sink? whose business is it anyway? joining me to discuss the cons, pros and promotions of office relationships are sex columnist and editor of "the stranger," dan savage. leah goldman of "marie claire" magazine and nicole williams, author of "girl on top."

well, the information is that kimmel is going out with a co-head writer on the staff. she started as an assistant in 2003. so she was promoted in six years she became one of the head writers. what do you think about that? do you think it's kosher what's going on there or not? >> honestly, i work with women all the time. 70% of our waking life is spent at work. inevitably we're going to meet someone at work who we are going to be attracted to. it's a great -- from my perspective, a great place to vet out whether or not this is a potential romantic interest because row know a little something about their work ethic, their character. >> the downside is the fact we're talking about it, questioning her credentials and saying, you know, does it seem unseemly? you know, it lends credence to the fact it is unseemly and invariantly people are going to say, did she win it the old-fashioned way? >> do you think girls care if

you ask the question? they're making a big paycheck. >> their colleagues do. the rest of the women in the office who don't necessarily play that game are left wondering what they have to do to get ahead. >> do we know that for sure, though? >> we're talking about it now. >> we're talking about it, but how did it come out? remember the letterman affair wasn't revealed by disgruntled staffers who felt he was favoring the women he had affairs with at work. it was reveal by a disgruntled boyfriend. it doesn't appear to be workplace on tent. what's up with kimmel? how did that come out? >> wait a second. you don't know, dan, if everybody was -- if all those girls over there were disgruntled or not because they're going to keep their mouth shut. they're not going to start a war at the david letterman show or a kimmel show. >> we live in a litigious society where people quit jobs all the time. i feel if this had been going on at letterman for 20 years and letterman had been abusing this authority -- >> he's not abusing. >> -- or promoegt women, making it some how conditional there

would have been a lawsuit before this guy attempted to -- >> that is not evidence there are she thnan are she thnaigans going on. >> have any of you ever been in an office romance? >> oh, yes, yes i have, joy. >> tell me about it. >> he was my boss. >> where was this? >> in a restaurant, actually -- >> you were a waitress? >> i was putting myself through school. and because we were working 24/7 we had a connection. honestly -- >> did he give you the better shifts? >> maybe. >> so to speak. >> yes, i may have had some of those better shifts. you know what's hard is, like, you don't know initially when you're attracted to someone in the workplace whether or not this is something worth really investing in. you've got to explore it a bit and sometimes it does have that, you know, superior subordinate relationship before you figure out, yes or no and whether or not you're going to quit the job or go to hr. there's a lot of risk attached to this. >> don't you think, leah, that men -- also, dan, don't you think men are always going to be

attracted to nannies and assistants and interns, besides the fact they're dogs, besides that? the fact that these are underli underlings, men feel more powerful. isn't that the problem? >> often women are attracted to these men. power is, as henry kissinger said many years ago -- we shouldn't infant liz women and make them out as if they are children. >> we shouldn't infant liz men either and say they can't keep it zipped up. >> i like dan's point. we're coming out and implying women are victims, that they are not consensually involved in romantic relationships at work, that it's forced upon them. i sort of call bs on that. >> it's the girls not involved that get ticked off. barack and michelle met on the job. she was his superior. what do you think -- >> that's hot. that's what i think. >> apparently so did barack. >> at the time they were both very low-level employees.

he was an intern. she was managing interns. this was, like, bottom of the rung. >> where do you draw the line? the boss has to go screw himself? where do you draw the line? the question isn't are there power imbalances? the question is, office relationships, the question is is there a hostile workplace environment? is there a quid quo pro? are people being coerced? are people being rewarded? if the answer to the questions is no, no harm, no fouls. >> does this happen in the gay community a lot, dan? mostly gay -- men on men in congress it seems. >> i'm gay and have never had a workplace romance. i think i might be only one of your guests today, all theory and no practice. >> do you wish you did? >> no, not really. maybe the one intern once upon a time. i kept my hands to myself. i kept it zipped. though i'm defending men who couldn't keep it zipped, i kept it zipped. >> good for you. he's an interesting statistic

from volt.com. every year 8 million americans enter into one romance in work. it's wide spread and happens constantly. >> those are people who are reporting. what about those people who are not reporting? we're all doing it. >> all those dentists who aren't getting caught. >> isn't it messy when the thing breaks up? >> that's the worst part. isn't that the worst part? >> it's not pleasant for anyone. nobody looikes to be in the conference room next to the guy -- >> what about the boss always wins in that type of situation? she will be fired, not him? >> yeah. >> how do you respond to that, dan? >> well, i don't think that's always the case. you know, we always talk about worst case scenarios where it's a real train reck when it ends. most workplace relationships end without anyone aware it began. most workplace relationships are handled discreetly. people are careful. we find out about the ones we find out about and don't find out about the ones we don't find out about. >> at the end of the day, what

can we say? is it okay to date a colleague or not? >> keep your finger in your own honey pot. >> it's thin ice. you have to judge these things on a case by case basis. you are on thin ice. >> my goodness knows how many more comedians are going to come out having -- >> we have an office pool going on at work. >> who do you think is next? >> no comment. you must know 20 people. >> i know nothing. >> joy, you have a show, joy, you have staffers and writers and interns. >> never ever happens at "the view." it's all women. it's estrogen laden. nothing goes on over there. >> i see the way elizabeth looks at you. >> she just had a baby. >> yours? >> anyway, thank you so much for coming on, you guys. very interesting, all of you. coming up, something that's been gets under my skin and i don't need a flu shot for it.

president obama had a very full weekend. on saturday he promised to end the military's don't ask/don't tell policy and on friday he won the nobel peace prize. this guy is busier than the wall paper in my aunt rose's living room. not everyone was happy for him. republicans cheer when he loses the olympics and boo when he

wins the nobel peace prize. who's writing the gop's press releases anyway? mahmoud ahmadinejad? when will these people realize you can be civil and make political points? mike huckabee managed to be gracious about obama's win. john mccain, too. and he's still pissed off from when woodrow wilson won his nobel prize. lastly, let me say a few words to president obama, himself. quit apologizing already. you won the thing fair and square. so can the humility act. go to norway, snatch up your piece of hardware and wave it in front of rush limbaugh's face. if president obama does manage to get equal rights for gay americans then i think he should win the tony also. but that's just me.

richelle, i'm looking at you right now. you're not cleaning panels. >> why do you care? >> you're blocking the panels. not only are now not putting more power in the system, you're taking it away. >> please, i'm barely shading anything. >> come down from the roof. >> i'm not coming down. you're the one who brought me up here. >> forget about doing anything. just do no harm. >> forget it, dude. >> marital bliss. my next guest is an actor who wants to save the planet from the people living on it. the new season of his reality show "living with ed," debuts october 22nd on planet green. please welcome environmental activist and actor extraordinary their, ed begley jr. >> joy, thanks for having me. >> was that a typical day at home or was that --

>> very typical. richelle and i don't see eye to eye but she's a great woman. we're in love. >> how long have you been in love? >> we met in 1993. we hit it off right away, and she actually does care about the environment, but she's not at all willing to go to the lengths i'm willing to go, and, you know, i'd like to think i made her more of an environmentalist and she certainly made me more interested in things looking good. i lived in an environmental bunker before that. it was good on energy but it was not very good looking. >> you know, you seem to be a do-gooder in terms of your position on the environment. yet, people hate you. rush limbaugh doesn't like you, for example. he ran over a cardboard cutout ed on leno's show. look at this. >> ed begley is going to jump out in front of him. you're not doing your score any help. oh, he's hitting it again. oh. come on. >> why doesn't he like you? >> he got me twice.

i don't know. i'm a conservative like him. i like to conserve energy. i'm just a different kind of conservative. >> he's one of these people who denies global warming. millions of scientists can they there's global warming, but rush limbaugh says no. >> he thinks the jury is out on that. there's lots of credible information. i urge anybody who's curious about it not to get the information from me, an actor, or him, he's an actor, too. get it from science magazine, nature magazine, cornell university. go to any university. i roll the dice on any university unt to say and go there and get information from people with ph.d. after their name. not me or rush. there is serious concern about global warming. way can do something that won't make us go broke, by the way. >> it will be good for the economy if we do it right. >> if we do it right. >> the bbc just did a story. what happened to global warming? they're basically saying that since 1998 the temperatures have not been hotter. they've gotten cooler. >> cool compared to the hottest. they were hot, hot and getting hotter.

now it's been cooling from that extremely hot period, yes. >> yeah. how do you talk to the right wing about that when everybody gets up in the morning and they say, hey, it's cold out? it's not warm? >> that's weather. there's weather then there's global climate. the polar icecaps are melting. they're not melting because it's getting cooler. they're melting because it's getting warm in places it shouldn't be getting warm which are the polar regions. we're losing ice not at kill man jarrow. they've been taking pictures of this stuff for a while. it's been receding greatly. >> what does it mean they're receding? what's going to happen to us? >> well, i think we're going to be okay if we do things, again, that won't break the bank. the whole theory for not doing anything, joy, keep in mind, here's the reason not to do it, because we're going to go broke doing it. like they said we'd clego brokeg up the air in california. california prospered in many of the years from 1970 through 2005, california did well

because there's jobs making catalytic converters and combined gas carbons -- >> that's definitely a good argument for the right wing. they always want to do -- make more jobs and more money. why are they so resistant to this? >> because they are afraid, with some justification, there will be jobs losted at refineries. there will be jobs created making wind pushes, electric cars, hybrid cars. i didn't go broke in 1970 when i did this stuff. i didn't behave in a fiscally irresponsible manner. i did all the cheap and'sy stuff. we can do that now. you pick the low-hanging fruit first, do the weatherization, get a home energy audit, do all that stuff you can afford now. the dollars spent on solar panels and wind turbines are printed on flash paper. the people who work at a wind turbine farm will go to the store to pay rent and do things people do with money. jobs in the oil industry are

good jobs. jobs in green tech are somehow bad. >> i don't know if people know what you're talking about. you're an extreme version of trying to create your own environment, correct? in your home. >> right. >> for instance i read you ride your bike to power your toaster. do your kids pretend they don't know you? >> it doesn't really power the toaster. we did that for an illustration. if you're going to ride an exercise bike, if it's a smoggy day or rainy day, i rarely ride the exercise back. i'm usually riding to get somewhere. if it's a rainy day or smoggy day, why would i waste that energy? so the point i'm trying -- >> you're wasting the effort if you don't at least get something going. >> i'm getting something out of it. you're going like this, why not use that for something? the point of the jobs is jobs create wealth and there's jobs and money coming from the green tech industries. >> you save a lot of money. my spies tell me your annual electric bill is up from $300 to

$400. how do you live with yourself? >> i'm proud of that. it's not just my house that's running on that. my family. it is also lighting all the lights for the show, "living with ed" and driving and electric car. $400 doesn't represent 3 people living at home but a car going 10,000 miles a year to fuel that $400. >> it's complicated what you're saying. we have to try to make it accessible to everybody. >> let's make it simple. i'm getting all the gasoline that i'm buying which is electricity and running a house for $400 a year. let me make a simple. i'm fueling my car and powering my house for $400 a year. >> you still stay married. unbelievable. we're going to come back and have more with ed begley jr. when we return. tomorrow on the program i'm going toe to toe with orely tates. remember her? she's the leader of the birther movement. i hope she's legal. don't miss this one.

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i'm back with ed begley jr., we're talking about saving the world. a small thing. >> saving our species, many other species. the world is going -- >> what do you think of overpopulation? these people having eight, 9, 15. this family, the dug gars, is having her 19th child. they can afford to have them apparent apparently. to me it seems like that's an enormous carbon footprint. >> it is. we can get away with a lot when therefore a lot fewer people. when there's a billion people on the planet, there's a lot more wiggle room. now that there's over 6 billion -- when there's 150 billion people in this room, can you go over there, hand me that.

>> would you hand me that piece of bread? i used to have a sociology teacher back in the day who said that there were too many people to love. that was part of the problem that we were going to have. overpopulation in the world. one of the main issues in the world. >> that's at the root of all this. overpopulation is at the root -- >> should these people practice birth control or what? >> i don't want to dictate how many people anybody has. i think it's a prudent idea to have as few children as possible. >> me too. limit. >> that's a good idea. >> i think so too. let me give you this fast quiz. which is greener? dow chemical or monsanto? >> that's a tough one. you know, monsanto has a lot of stuff they're into that i'm not fund of in genetically modified organisms and what have you. to release gmos out into the environment is quite dangerous and i don't think that's a good idea. >> so, neither one is great. okay. what about paper or plastic?

>> neither. you take your canvass bag. if they say paper or plastic you say neither and you hand them your canvass bag. >> what about paper tups? >> i prefer a mug. if you're out somewhere and you don't want to travel around with a heavy mug, cause for fuel for the airline to travel if everybody carried mugs around. >> that is annoying. very annoying, all these mugs. >> you can't travel around with a mug. you're better off when you travel to not use a mug. >> if someone had a gun to your head and could only use one appliance, what would it be? >> if i could only use one appliance? oh, can i call a bicycle an appliance? >> no. >> okay. an appliance -- >> dish washer, refrigerator, toaster, washing machine. you had to pick one, otherwise people would kill you. >> only one single appliance? >> yeah. >> i guess i'd have a hot plate hooked up to my solar panel so i could cook something. >> very sneaky. that was sneaky. what about your clothes?

how would you wash your clothes? down the river? >> i would go to the river. >> what if you live in a land lock area without water? >> i'd get real funky quick. >> sometimes you see oil spills which i find that tragic when i see those poor birds. i hate that. is there a green way to clean oil spills up? >> people have experimented with different ways. there are different organic ways. i don't know how many of them really work. ways to clean up an oil spill. the best way is to not have so much oil in a dangerous situation. >> before we go, i want to clean this table. because it's annoying me and this is your stuff. >> listen, woman, you are wonderful. >> this is your new stuff. it's a shameless plug. i can -- look at yourself, how stunning you are. >> you're stunning, looking at you doing this. begley's best, a nontoxic cleaning product. >> i did an ad for you. thank you, ed. thanks to ed and all my guests for joining me tonight.

thank you for watching. good night, everybody.

breaking news tonight. satsuma, florida. a 5-year-old little girl tucked into bed. five hours later she's gone. vanished. the back door propped wide open. daddy comes home from the nightshift to find not a trace of little haleigh. last person to see the 5-year-old alive that night? new stepmother misty croslin. bombshell tonight. just hours after croslin handcuffed by cops on alleged road rage she flies first class to new york, taking to the air to declare she's innocent. how does a fish get caught?

he opens his mouth. even in one brief interview she can't keep her story straight. minutes after croslin's debacle on national tv her lawyer dumps her. after her brother tells cops he was at the home that night and no sign of croslin, completely debunking her story, her mother weighs in that croslin's not coming clean. croslin's response on tv? "they betrayed me." they're the bad guys. look at them, don't look at me. and tonight her staunchest supporter, her husband and haleigh's father, admits cracks in her story through lawyers. she first claimed she knows nothing about haleigh's whereabouts, but then in a stunning twist blurts out, quote, the other side of the family took haleigh. who? then a 180 on the failed lie

detector, claiming she passed, then admitting she failed, blaming her own guilty conscience. is that an admission? cops reconfirm physical evidence contradicts croslin's story. has haleigh's disappearance, the nine-month search for the brown-eyed 5-year-old, and fingers pointing at baby-sitter turned stepmom misty croslin taken a toll? cummings and croslin divorce. croslin claims neither haleigh's disappearance nor the holes in her story had anything to do with the split. but have cummings' worst fears been confirmed? that his new wife, misty croslin, implicated in the disappearance of his own 5-year-old girl. >> the two of us have agreed to go separate ways. >> they are splitting up. >> with the family problems and everything else, it's just -- it's too much on the relationship. we can't go anywhere without

being questioned or people staring at us or anything like that. >> okay. so you're getting a divorce because people stare at you? i don't believe that for one minute. >> no, that's -- that's not why i'm getting a divorce. i'm -- that's a part of the reason why i'm getting a divorce. >> i mean, i don't want a divorce, but it's what he wants, so, whatever. not going to fight him. >> the last time you had seen her before, then, was when? >> 10:00, when i laid down to bed. >> you had put her to bed? >> mm-hmm. she went to bed at 8:00. >> but your brother told police when he went to the trailer that night that you were supposedly putting haleigh to bed you weren't there. did you go somewhere that night? >> no, i did not. i did not leave my house at all. >> why did he tell police that you weren't there? >> trying to get out of jail. that's what i think. >> so your brother was in jail? >> yeah, he was in jail. >> your own brother would betray you like that? >> that's how my family is. and tonight, live, missing, a 13-year-old girl and her

little 7-year-old twin brothers, upscale atlanta suburbs. the three at home go outside. all three together for a walk. they are gone. last sighting, a local neighborhood carnival about a mile away. where are 13-year-old janet and 7-year-old twin brothers al alexander and alexis? tonight, is there a break in the case? >> a 13-year-old girl and her 7-year-old twin brothers are missing after they disappear, possibly at a local shopping center. that shopping center hosting a carnival. georgia police issuing missing children's alerts in the attempt to locate 13-year-old janet and 7-year-old twin brothers alexander and alexis villanuva. the 13-year-old girl taking a walk with her brothers. they never came back. frantic parents calling the cops hours later.

just how do three children vanish? good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. just hours after croslin handcuffed by cops on alleged road rage she flies first class to new york, takes to the airwaves to declare she's innocent. how does a fish get caught? he opens his mouth. but even in this interview she can't keep her story straight. changes, even subtle, small changes in misty croslin's story about the night haleigh went missing bothered you. what changes -- >> yes, ma'am. >> -- if any, do you recall? >> i can't really recall the exact changes. and they're real small. it's not like she -- she pretty much tells me the same thing each time she -- i ask her about it. >> they keep saying that you failed. do you want people to know something about that -- >> they're going to know. they're going to know. >> so are you saying that you didn't fail the polygraph like

people and law enforcement are kind of claiming that you did? >> no, i did not. >> ronald cummings, did it ever disturb you that misty croslin's story actually changed? >> yes, ma'am, it did. >> what about his claims that there are -- you're telling different stories? do you think he believes you're guilty now of something? >> no, i don't think so. >> what has he said to you about this? >> he just -- he hasn't really said, like, much about it, you know? he believes me. he doesn't think i had anything to do with haleigh going missing. >> when you say the other side of the family, you're talking about haleigh's natural mother? >> yes. >> why would she harm her own daughter? i mean, that's a pretty serious accusation. >> she wasn't close with her daughter. they -- she admitted that they didn't have a close relationship her and her daughter. >> so what do you believe in your heart of hearts she may have done? >> i don't know. i don't think that she personally had anything to do with it. just someone on her side of the family. >> you're seeing new stepmother

misty croslin on cbs' "the early show." we are taking your calls live. first out to marlaina schiavo. marlaina, what's the latest? >> misty croslin says that her brother lied about the night coming over to knock on that door because he wanted to get out of jail. and she also clarified that she is blaming crystal's family for the disappearance of haleigh. and crystal sheffield has lashed out and has spoken out against what misty is saying. they're both pointing fingers at one another. so you know, misty is just kind of digging herself in a deeper hole to the point where her attorney has now dropped her. >> okay. to dr. janet taylor, psychiatrist and medical doctor. dr. taylor, do you get a sense -- i've seen this with defendants on the stand. it's like this. everybody else is at fault but them. here she's saying my brother betrayed me, my mother, it's just my family. that's supposed to explain it all? the brother places himself at the location that night, says he bangs on the door, no misty

croslin. that totally debunks her story. the mother says she hasn't come clean. and now on national tv she says they betrayed me, they're the bad guys. >> yeah, it's just one story after another. we know how dysfunctional, by her own admission, her life was. and now she's backed into a corner, so it's just all this finger pointing with no real understanding. she was the one in charge of little haleigh. what happened to her? >> take a listen to her ill-fated interview on cbs morning show, the interview her lawyer begged her not to do. >> the last time you had seen her before then was when? >> 10:00, when i laid down to bed. >> you had put her to bed? >> mm-hmm. she went to bed at 8:00. >> but your brother told police when he went to the trailer that night you that were supposedly putting haleigh to bed you weren't there. did you go somewhere that night? >> no, i did not. i did not leave my house at all. >> why did he tell police that you weren't there? >> trying to get out of jail. that's what i think.

>> so your brother was in jail? >> yeah, he was in jail. >> your own brother would betray you like that? >> that's how my family is. >> when you say the other side of the family, you're talking about haleigh's natural mother? >> yes. >> why would she harm her own daughter? i mean, that's a pretty serious accusation. >> she wasn't close with her daughter. she admitted they didn't have a close relationship, her and her daughter. >> so what do you believe in your heart of hearts she may have done? >> i don't think she personally had anything to do with it. just someone on her side of the family. >> so some phantom person on the bio mom's side of the family comes, gets the baby in the middle of the night. that's croslin on cbs "early show." it doesn't even make any sense. if the mother didn't care enough to live in the town where the little girl was, it's not like she had a job demand or a reason to live elsewhere that she could not get around.

why would the bio mom bother to come kidnap the child in the middle of the night if she didn't even exercise visitation rights? we're taking your calls live. let's go straight to the lines. first to ellie jostad, our chief editorial producer. croslin's response about her own brother, claiming he betrayed her and he made the whole story up to get out of jail. well, he didn't get out of jail. weeks and weeks passed. and think about it, ellie. if you're going to tell a big fat whopper lie to cops about your own sister to get out of jail, wouldn't it be something like she confessed she killed haleigh by accident? >> right. >> or she confessed she knew where the body was. why would it be i went to the house and knocked on the door and nobody came? who would make that story up? >> yeah, and her brother didn't go into any real detail about it. he said he went there, knocked on the door, hung out a little bit, the house was dark. he didn't say oh, and i went inside and she wasn't there. all he said is that he knocked and she didn't answer. now, of course, misty croslin is saying, oh, i was there the whole time. i was asleep, i must not have

heard him knocking. >> out to the lines. shirley in florida. hello, shirley. >> caller: hello, nancy. >> hi, dear. >> caller: hi. my question is have they put any comparison between misty and her actions and casey anthony? because to me she seems like she's acting like another casey anthony. >> huh. to marc klaas, president and founder of klaaskids foundation. he's a child rights advocate. what do you make of that comparison? >> well, it's not far off. i think that misty's complete and total lack of life experience is what's really betraying her, not her brother. and i think that's a very revealing statement, nancy. if this family is willing to betray each other over something like getting -- a get out of jail free card, what does that say about her? and who is she willing to betray? is she betraying ron? is she betraying haleigh? is she betraying everybody

that's standing behind her? and why does ron continue through his lawyers to say that he's supporting misty and that he's not concerned about the inconsistencies in her story when we thought he was divorcing her? he's still providing cover. he's probably his own worst enemy at this point. >> keep haleigh's face out there. and if you have any information leading to her disappearance to call it in. it don't matter who it hurts. and i want to let everyone know that i'm not hiding anything for anybody. let's bring haleigh home.

the step mom of missing haleigh cummings breaking her silence. >> you're saying you didn't fail the polygraph like people in law enforcement are claiming you did? >> no, i did not. >> bottom line, you don't know where haleigh is? >> bottom line. >> she tells a local reporter on her way she never failed the polygraph. then she gets on the cbs "early show" and blatantly admits she failed a poly. >> misty did this interview without the blessing from her attorney, robert fields who said he did advise her not to do this, but misty croslin is speaking out saying she's not worried about getting arrested. she believes haleigh is alive

and well. >> i didn't do anything to that little girl. >> she didn't say it was fact the other side of the family was involved. i watched her eyes roll a little too. all indicators she's lying. this is a diversionary tactic from an individual who's a suspect in a very, very serious case, obviously. >> i thought all along she had something to do with it and now this kind of just proves it. i mean, she was the last one to see our daughter and her stories just don't add up. >> also we learn ronald cummings, through his lawyer, states he no longer accepts her story. he's beginning to see the cracks in it and he has been her staunchest supporter. out to the lines. sandy in arkansas. hi, sandy. >> caller: hey, nancy grace, i love you, dear. >> thank you. and thank you for calling in. >> caller: and i'm so proud of you and your hubby and your twins. >> you know what? we are -- like god heard our

prayers and answered them 10,000 times over. >> caller: i have followed you for so many years. court tv, all of them. but anyway, i'd just like to make a comment on the cell phone bills, if there is a cell phone that ronald tried to call misty that night. if he tried to call 20 times, ronald's got a hot temper, i wonder why he didn't leave work and go home and check to see what was going on. i'm not buying this story. >> to terry shoemaker, attorney for ronald cummings. that's haleigh's father, of course. terry, well-known attorney in the jacksonville area. in fact, the whole region. terry shoemaker, thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> let me just clarify again, and correct me if i'm wrong. because i'll find out later at some point. the truth will be uncovered. isn't it true, mr. shoemaker, that ronald cummings stayed at work his full shift and he got home around 3:00 a.m.? >> absolutely. he never left. >> terry, what did he do for a

living? what was it exactly he did there? >> he was a crane operator. amongst some other -- >> i'm sorry. i couldn't hear you. repeat. he did what? >> he was a crane operator. >> okay. were there other people around him observing him operating the crane amongst other things? >> yes. he was there all night. you know, there were some times, you know, based on our conversations with fdle, that people didn't actually see him. but they were for very short periods of time. and people saw him there all night for the most part. >> and his home was about a 30 or 40-minute drive away? >> a little less than that. you know, probably anywhere from 20 to 30 minutes. >> okay. give him 30. he would have to have been gone about an hour and a half, 30 minutes there, 30 minutes back, and 30 minutes for whatever was to take place there. was there that big of a gap of people seeing him? >> absolutely not, nancy. >> okay. mr. shoemaker, you're giving me your word on that? >> absolutely, nancy. >> and again, you said he operates a crane. was he operating a crane that night?

>> i don't believe he actually was that evening. i know he had a couple different things he was doing -- >> like what? >> i can't really answer that specifically. i know -- >> why? >> well, when we spoke with law enforcement the last time, they asked him about his different jobs that evening and he said that he had to move some material from different locations and -- so i know he had a number of different responsibilities. but his primary responsibility at that job was as a crane operator. >> indoors or outdoors? >> well, the crane is outdoors, but he would move things to different aspects of the job site and take care of material that way. >> so we know absolutely he did not leave the job site? >> absolutely. >> okay. i need to go to you. ellie jostad, this one i don't understand. about all those phone calls. if she did not have her telephone turned on, that may be explaining why cops can't get a ping on her to locate where she was. because even if you don't pick the phone up, if your phone is ringing or it's turned on,

you're still emitting pings. am i right or wrong about that? >> yeah, you're right. and police have told us that they have not been able -- or they haven't been real clear about what they've been able to learn about misty croslin's cell phone. but you're right. we do know that ron called her over 20 times that night and apparently never got an answer. >> everyone, quick break. we're taking your calls live. now we know why misty croslin's lawyer insisted that she not give an interview. to tonight's case alert. a miracle. 16-year-old bipolar chicago girl who vanishes off the streets on her way to school in the morning found alive after a tipster sees our program. tonight 16-year-old jessica jones reunited with her family. breaking news. there is a god.

when you say the other side of the family, you're talking about haleigh's natural mother? >> yes. >> why would she harm her own daughter? i mean, that's a pretty serious accusation. >> she wasn't close with her daughter. they -- she admitted that they didn't have a close relationship, her and her daughter. >> so what do you believe in your heart of hearts she may have done? >> i don't know -- i don't think that she personally had anything to do with it. just someone on her side of the family. >> that is new stepmother croslin on cbs "early show." unleash the lawyers. joe lawless, defense attorney out of philadelphia and author of "prosecutorial misconduct." and stacey schneider, defense attorney out of new york. let's see that map again, norm. joe lawless, don't you just love it when your client actually

points to a specific person as the one who did it? take a look at how far away crystal sheffield lives from little haleigh. so she drove over an hour to get there in the middle of the night, sneaks in, leaves the door propped open? misty croslin doesn't hear a thing. then she leaves -- >> nancy, you stole the phrase i've used on the show countless times that even a fish wouldn't get caught if she kept her mouth shut -- >> that's not exactly what i said. i said how does a fish get caught? he opens his mouth. that's what i said. >> well, if this girl keeps doing what she's doing, it's only a question of time before she's charged with something having to do with this kid's disappearance. she just repeatedly, repeatedly contradicts herself, and if i were her lawyer i'd have dropped her, too. >> stacey schneider, i always loved it as a prosecutor when a defendant or a suspect points a finger at a specific person and says they did it because then you could bring that person to court and have them speak to the

jury and clearly give an alibi, show why they didn't do it. look, this mom doesn't even exercise visitation. you think she's going to go to satsuma, florida, and steal a child in the middle of the night? >> yeah, nancy, that was a really bad move on her part. it's sort of like throwing junk up against the wall and seeing what will stick. and i think she's in a desperate position. she just threw it out there for us to hear.

i think we both agreed on it. >> who brought it up first? >> i did. >> everybody knows that i love haleigh and ronald and junior. it's a family like haleigh wanted. >> just being married, it can be stressful and there can be challenges. >> okay, sir, let me talk to your wife. let me get some information from her. okay. can i talk to her? okay. >> how the [ bleep ] can you let my daughter get stole? >> and on top of that,

everything that they went through during their marriage. >> i don't know anything about her flunking a polygraph. i know what's been said about it, but i'm not a polygrapher myself, but i didn't see any results. >> it's definitely an issue that she's 17 years old. she doesn't have the adult thinking skills many of us would have even though she's leading a very adult life. >> just divorce. i mean, i don't want a divorce, but it's what he wants, so, whatever. >> ron has stuck by misty all along. he's always thought that she's told the truth. he has had some turns -- concerns, i'm sorry, regarding what she has said, some discrepancies between different statements. but he has stood by her all along. he bases that on the fact that she has been a little aloof on certain situations and she has changed her story a little here and there, but nothing major. i don't think he's doubting whether or not she was involved. he's just doubting whether everything she said is what

transpired that night. but he in no way believes she was involved whatsoever. >> that is terry shoemaker, who was on "the early show," cbs. he's with us live tonight. and earlier you saw misty croslin from cbs morning. we are taking your calls live. but i want to go back to terry shoemaker. this is the attorney for ronald cummings, the biological father of little haleigh. he had custody of her. he goes to work that night, comes home, she's gone. and there rubbing her eyes like she's sleepy is girlfriend turned new stepmother misty croslin who said, rutro, i guess i slept through the whole thing. okay. terry shoemaker. >> yes, ma'am. >> please don't sugarcoat it for me the way you did on the morning shows. because if you are doubting aspects of misty croslin's story, that means you doubt the whole story. you know, you may want to take the light version and think she

went out that evening and somebody else came into the home. i don't know how likely or probable that is. or you may take a more realistic look that she was the last one with the child and most typically that is the person responsible for the disappearance. but has the divorce been signed yet? >> i know that misty was in our office today. we gave her the paper. she's no longer represented by anybody. she looked them over, she took them to a notary, brought them back signed. and they will be filed shortly. >> now, after the divorce is final, do you believe ronald cummings will have more to say to police? >> i don't believe so. i now that, you know, in all the times that we've met with law enforcement, which really hasn't been that many times, he's been forthright on the number of times he's called her, what the conversations were all about.

so i don't think that he's really going to come out with any, you know, bombshell as to i was holding this bag. >> you're seeing video of cummings and croslin's wedding from the nbc "today show." let's take a look at some of the inconsistencies in her story. norm, if you could pull that up for me. first of all, we know there were the inconsistencies about who was in bed that night. first of all, we hear that she's in bed with both children. later she says she was in bed with junior. then she finally said oh, the children were in two separate beds from her. she said she did laundry. no detergent in the home. claimed to be sleeping, but cops and cummings said that the beds were made when they got to the home. the timeframe in which she called cops, that's not correct -- that full screen is not correct. she didn't call the cops. cummings made her call the cops. she didn't voluntarily do that. why she went to the further bathroom away from the one right beside her bed. there are so many things that don't make sense. out to the lines, melody, ohio.

hi, melody. >> caller: nancy, you're beautiful as ever. >> thank you. >> caller: two quick comments, please. ronald's mother on the show made a comment about the taste of oxycontin being very sour and she couldn't imagine haleigh taking it. no, not if the child was forced to take it. if there was oxycontin in the home and was it the mother's? and my other question, when i look at the scene in the bedroom i see those air ducts on the floor. have those air ducts been searched for anything? thank you. >> good question. norm, let's pull up that video of our tour inside the home, including the bedroom from which haleigh went missing. to dr. gerald feigin, medical examiner, camden county, new jersey. dr. feigin, thank you for being with us. norm, rewind that, if you could. i know it might be difficult. i saw those air ducts again.

they didn't look very big but probably big enough for a child. what about the taste of oxycontin? i don't know, i've never had one. >> i haven't either. but you can mask the taste of anything by mixing it with something sweet, for example. >> that's a good point. now, in these letters that popped up, ellie jostad, the writer said she accidentally, i believe, took oxycontin at a drug party. i still don't believe that theory, ellie, because you can't tell me a bunch of potheads sitting around at a party are going to keep their yaps shut for this long and not say haleigh was here, especially when there's a $30,000 to $70,000 reward hanging in the balance. >> right, and putnam county sheriff's office has sort of downplayed that letter. remember, it was written by a friend of misty croslin who is in jail right now. she claims she heard the information secondhand, she was writing a letter to her boyfriend about it. so police are saying take it easy on this letter. >> yeah, you know what, lawless, schneider, first to you,

schneider, you've got to take every letter you get from the jailhouse with a box of salt. yes/no? >> yeah. no question about it. and everyone -- most people in jail have a motive. i'm a defense attorney. i get all kinds of letters from jail with agendas, and i never trust them. >> oh, yeah, lawless, i would even get faxes from the jail when i was a prosecutor. >> i would get phone calls from the jail when i was a prosecutor. people are looking for a get out of jail free card and that's probably what that letter was. >> john lucich, president of high-tech crime network, i don't understand why they're not getting pings on her cell phone to pinpoint where she was that night. what's the problem? >> the problem is she probably did have her cell phone off. that phone registers with the mtso, the mobile telephone switching office, as it moves around from cell site to cell site. they will be able to see where she was at any given time by looking at the records at each mtso. now, if that cell phone is off -- you know, there have been so many cases out there where people know about cell phones, that she probably did turn it off for this case. >> to marc klaas, founder of klaaskids foundation, hey, marc,

as an aside, isn't it true you can now put a chip in your kid's cell phone and turn on your computer and actually see where they are? have you heard about that? >> you don't have to put a chip in your kid's cell phone. the vast majority of cell phones come gps enabled and the vast majority, or the major cell phone carriers have a pretty low-cost and quite effective child locator plan where you can go on to the internet and do certain things. you can have a bread crumb feature that lets you follow the history of where the child is and where they're going, it gives you a panic button and also provides you with geofencing so you're able to create a barrier, if the child goes outside that barrier, wherever it is, you will be notified. it's a marvelous system, i think. >> marc klaas, as usual you're an encyclopedia. to the lines. linda, hain hain. >> caller: how are you? >> i'm good, dear. what's your question? >> caller: i was wanting to know

have they investigated if anything happened before ronald went to work? >> good question. to marlaina schiavo, i believe they have accounted for her time up until the time he went to work. and what about those air ducts? let's go back to melody's question also. >> as far as the air ducts, yes, nancy, investigators have searched the entire home. and as far as what happened leading up to ronald going to work, there were arguments. they accounted for her time. they knew where she was. and she was definitely home with haleigh. and there was an argument that happened before he left for work. >> and what about cummings? was he accounted for at the last sighting of haleigh? >> absolutely. absolutely. >> got it. >> yes, he picked up his child. >> there you see why defense attorneys tell you don't talk, much less on national tv. every one of her renegade theories have been shot down. misty croslin taking to the airwaves to declare her innocence. very quickly, to tonight's safety tip. road rage. all too common for drivers to lose their temper behind the wheel. but some go way too far. it ends in road rage.

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law enforcement has issued missing child alert for not one, not two, but three brothers and sisters. police say 13-year-old janet villanuva took her 7-year-old twin brothers for a walk sunday evening. but they never came back. mom and dad call police after they couldn't find the kids. the children possibly last seen at the blue ridge shopping center, where a local carnival is going on. tonight police need your help. >> our investigators have been knocking on doors, running down

leads. the school system is out for fall break right now. so that does make things a little more difficult. because the children aren't in school. again, they're out talking to classmates and just trying to run down possibly where they could be. we are asking the public's help. if somebody saw something or possibly saw one of these children to give us a call. >> a 13-year-old girl and her 7-year-old twin brothers are missing after they disappeared, possibly at a local shopping center. that shopping center hosting a carnival. georgia police issuing missing children's alerts in the attempt to locate 13-year-old janet and 7-year-old twin brothers alexander and alexis villanuva. the 13-year-old girl taking a walk with her brothers, and they never came back. frantic parents calling the cops hours later. just how do three children vanish? >> straight out to matt zarrell.

matt, what's the background on this? >> well, apparently, 13-year-old janet took the twin boys for a walk around 6:00 p.m. on sunday. now, they were possibly seen at a carnival at a local shopping center later that day. the parents waited eight hours after searching, called cops, and we're learning that there may be news coming in soon, nancy. >> okay. wait a minute. what kind of carnival? what are you talking about? how far away was it from the home? >> the carnival was about a mile, mile and a half from the home. they would have had to walk through a wooded area and backroads to get to it. it's a carnival that takes place in the parking lot of a shopping center. >> they go for a walk in the neighborhood and they end up nearly two miles away at a carnival? was there a sighting there? >> cops believe they were possibly sighted in the area, but no one had saw them officially except for 6:00 p.m., when the three of them left the home sunday night. >> i'm hearing in my ear with me right now eric jens, wrga radio. eric, what's the latest? >> yes. thank you, nancy. we do have some breaking news on this story. all three children have now been

found. the two twin boys have been reunited with their parents. the 13-year-old, janet, has been taken to northeast georgia medical center, where she'll be medically cleared there. >> wait. the 13-year-old is in a medical center? >> yes. and we don't know the details surrounding that other than that a hall county juvenile court judge has issued a detention order, which needs to be evaluated at that hospital. and again, anything more detailed beyond that would be speculation at this point. they were just found moments ago. about four to five miles away from their residence. >> joining me right now, chief frank hooper. he is the chief of police in gainesville. chief, it's a pleasure to have you on with us. where were they found, chief? >> thank you, nancy. we found them here locally in town probably about -- it was about four to five miles from their residence. it was in an area of town here that's predominantly a hispanic community, and we were able to

follow-up on leads. our investigators had really been working on this case ever since 2:00 a.m. yesterday, when the parents first reported these children missing -- >> holy moly. 2:00 a.m. on sunday morning? >> yes, ma'am. >> so it took eight hours for the parents to report them missing. they were doing their own search during that time, correct? >> yes. that's apparently what happened. the children were last seen by the parents about 6:00 p.m. there at the home. she was taking the two brothers, who were 7-year-old twins, she said, for a walk. and they never returned. and of course, the parents looked for them but they didn't notify us until 2:00 a.m. sunday morning. >> chief hooper, chief frank hooper is with us from gainesville. chief, you said they were about five miles away. where? >> it was at a residence. >> what in the world were they doing five -- was it a family friend? five miles away at the residence, somebody didn't think to call the parents? >> no, ma'am.

it would appear that they had friends at this location. and our investigators most of the day were pretty close behind these kids, and it looks like when they were spotted at this carnival last night, this was before they'd even been reported missing. so had we gotten the report earlier, that's a lead we could have followed up on immediately. we weren't able to follow up on that lead. and sometime around midnight it would appear the kids kind of went to ground at a residence somewhere and didn't resurface until later on today. and we developed additional leads that we could follow up. >> chief hooper, how'd you do it? how did you find them? >> well, just good hard old-fashioned police work. like i said, we dedicated about four to five investigators and of course a lot of patrolmen to this case and diverted them. they were out knocking on doors in neighborhoods. and our school system here is out on fall break. so we had to basically go knock on doors and try to identify friends -- >> i heard all about fall break.

it used to be columbus day. chief frank hooper, you know, this happens so rarely that we have a miracle like this. marc klaas, weigh in. >> well, kudos to the chief and his investigators for taking this seriously and doing what they needed to do. now, in hindsight i think the parents -- what parents need to understand is that time is the enemy in all of these cases. 74% of children that are murdered as a result of an abduction are murdered within the first three hours. therefore, it's incumbent upon them to know who their kids' friends are, to know the routes that they use, and to make that search very, very quickly. and if they don't recover the kids very quickly, then get a hold of law enforcement and let them do what the chief and his people did so well, which is go out, find the kids. as the chief said, they could have found them at the carnival and resolved this much more quickly and resolve these things and bring these happy endings along. now, i would also suggest that if parents are going to send

three young children like that out for a walk the 13-year-old should have an open, on cell phone for all of the reasons we've spoken about earlier and also so that the parents can simply call and say where are you should it get too dark. >> chief cooper is joining us. chief, why is the 13-year-old girl in the hospital? >> she was taken to the northeast medical center to be medically cleared. also she had a history, we have investigated as a run away. we were concerned about that and her two 7-year-old twin brothers ramped things up. >> it's a miracle. these three have been gone and missing since sunday and they have been found. thank you so much. to you, eric. thank you. as we go to break, thank you for your thoughts and prayers for

our friend, felony prosecutor eleanor odom. she was out, working out and thought she had heartburn and went to the doctor and they didn't let her go home. she completed surgery like a champ and she is on the mend. i took her a casserole today.

knocking on doors and running down leads. the school system is out for fall break right now and that does make things more difficult. they are outlooking and talking to classmates and learn where these children can be. >> law enforcement issued missing child alerts for not one, not two, but three brothers and sisters. 13-year-old janet took her 7-year-old twin brothers for a walk sunday evening and they never came back. mom and dad called police after they couldn't find the kids. the children, possibly last seen at the shopping center where a

local carnival is going on. tonight police need your help. >> janet is age 13 and alexander and alexis are twin brothers and have been found. hi, sherry. >> caller: how are you? >> i'm good, dear. what's your question? >> caller: i want to say my thoughts and prayers go to your mother. we watch every night and my husband loves you. >> thank you so much. >> caller: we have been trying for so long. where were the parents at? if the girl was a run away, why would they let her take the two babies by herself? >> what about it? >> that's obviously a judgment question and in hindsight an ill-advised decision. it gives them permission to all three leads, but obviously it doesn't seem like it was a good

call. all three are now back and hopefully lesson learned. >> to chief frank cooper, what about it? >> that's a question that will be asked as we complete our investigation. one thing we can't say enough about, we activated the child missing program last night. a phone system that calls residents in the neighborhood and lets them know the children are missing and gives a description. that helps to develop leads and that's a great system. we appreciate you getting the word out. folks don't forget about the victims as long as they have a voice. >> chief, i appreciate that and god bless the children and chief, thank you for what you and your force did in finding these children alive. everyone, let's stop and remember air force senior airman aft on goodman. our family's third generation

female to serve in afghanistan where she mentored local women. she loved writing, social development, photography, animals and dreamed of being a veterinarian and leaves behind parents and four sisters. american hero. thanks to our guests and especially to you for being with us. until then, good night, friend. >> this is a "showbiz tonight" news break. here's some of what we have been covering. jon gosselin's new claim that kate took more than $1 million out of their bank account and is demanding spousal support. romance controversy and jimmy kimmel is dating a coworker. is it okay to date your boss?

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