right now on "showbiz tonight," jon and kate money madness. tonight, a brand-new blockbuster. jon and kate he said she said money battle. jon's remarkable claim that kate took more than $1 million out of their bank account. kate now demanding jon pay her spousal support. all on the eve of their big legal showdown. tonight a brand-new late night romance controversy. now jimmy kimmel is dating one

of his coworkers. tonight the comparisons to letterman's situation as "showbiz tonight" asks, is it really okay to date your boss? plus mike tyson's confessions to oprah. he opens up about his violent fights with his ex-wife, robin givens. >> i socked her and she socked me. it was that kind of relationship. >> tv's first provocative entertainment news show starts right now. >> i'm aj hammer broadcasting tonight and every night from new york city. jon and kate money madness and i do mean madness. tomorrow is the big day. jon and kate are set to face off in a bitter legal showdown and today there was already big news breaking. jon gosselin accusing the mother

of their eight children and stealing as much as $1 million from their joint pile of money. matching jon blockbuster for blockbuster andicate is demanning jon pay her spousal support. talk about biting the hand that fed him, jon is attacking the tv network that put all the money in their pockets in the first place saying he hates tlc that broadcast jon and kate plus 8. we have jane velez mitchell, host of issues with jane velez mitchell. here on hln, i say who needs reality when you got this? keeping their public money war very much alive as jon reportedly accuses kate of taking, get this, $1 million from their joint bank account. all this hoopla when he went on the today show and claimed that jon had taken $230,000 from the

account. >> here took $230,000 of the $231,000 that we have liquid and i have a stack of bills in my purse i can't drop in the mail. >> jon files papers saying kate took $1 million. are you feeling that jon is just acting like a child and trying to one up kate here? >> i think both of the people are despicable. kate's voice wavering and i don't have any money, i don't feel sorry for her. water finds its own level. they should both be ashamed for playing out their ugly divorce and really grotesque and petty money battles in front of the world at the expense of their kids. us magazine said the kids are confused and distraught and acting out. of course they are! look at the horror show they are unwittingly involved in. they have no choice.

it confirms my worst suspicions about people who decide to turn their kids into commodities and put them on television. it's all about the money. >> yeah. we talked about it time and time again about how it would affect the kids. if what you are saying is true, how terrible this continues so publicly. even jon admitting today that this total money madness exists between he and kate. he said he didn't take $230,000. the whole money battle with is a new thing between them. he said this about that and the cool thing was me and never relied on money. we relied on each other and now it's money, money, money. i don't care about the money. if i would have stolen $2 million, i would have just stolen $2 million. then he turns around and not only accuses her, but he actually wants the mother of his children held in contempt of court because of money issues. are you with me that jon is

talking on both sides of his mouth and being pet lent? >> 90% of divorces, it's all about the money. we have to be careful and not use the word take and steal as if they are sin him ins. kate may have taken the money, but does she steal the money. that's up to the courts. the time period, they were still together. maybe kate had the right to access the account. she is saying he took it after the split when she should have informed her. she was within the legal right to withdraw that. >> they said kate's accusations about him taking the money are false. here's what he said about that. she makes the claims about me and taking all the money. i have the proof. bank statements. i have all that. i didn't take the money she said i took. it just makes her look bad, really. i will have to call you out on this. isn't he doing the same thing by jon's logic, doesn't he look really bad?

>> jon has no credibility. this is a guy who announces after several seasons, i don't want my kids on reality tv. i don't think it's good for them after he gets the boot from the show. coincidence? i think not. this guy is so transparent and again both of these people, water finds its own level. i think it really points to a certain type of personality, narcissistic and grandiose that is willing to go on these reality shows and expose all their dirty laundry to the world. this is the ugly reality behind the reality show. >> maybe this next part of the money madness plays in. icate is getting in on the court action and filed for temporary spousal support. she wants jon to support her and the kids. i will ask you to explain this. how can kate demand spousal support when she is making a good living and doing books and

pilots. jon the best i can tell is gainfully uneloyed? >> this is maneuvering on the part of kate. throughout the series, she was the one with outside activities. she was the one away doing book tours that he explained about. she was making extra money and jon doesn't have a visible means of support. it's unlikely he will be able to pay her anything. she walked away with the show and he put up signs that said tlc is not allowed on the property. that's another legal mess. as of this moment, kate seems to be the one who is making the money. >> the phone lines have been buzzing like this. allison said she is sick and tired of kate's antics. >> i want to know what in the world she singling. doesn't she remember that jon quit his job and for the last two years has been taking care of the kids? the support should come from her. he should move into the house.

the $500 pair of shoes. >> she makes a good point. >> i agree with this caller 100%. everybody is beating up on jon. take a good look at kate. all of her behavior is very suspect. i really believe that this whole idea that she is playing the victim now is just a crock. this is a whole three-dimensional chess game. the move and the counter move is all about the money at the end of the day. where is the concern for the kids? i do not see it. >> so much in this chess game as you call it. it justified logic and adding to the madness, this in particular is at the top of the list today. jon went on to bash tlc, the network that feeds his family. here's what he said. i don't know if i would be better off or worse had i not done the show. i don't know. i have ill will towards tlc, but

i signed up for it and they hate me and they have it out against it. i hate that they get involved because they make it worse. we would be done if it wasn't for them getting involved. ben? would you agree that it is a stupid idea for jon to be biting the hand that feeds him and his family of eight? >> he heads bitten off more than he can chew. kate clearly wants to continue the show. it's thing to say i didn't have legal counsel. it's too late to say he had regrets. >> don't you think it would be nice if the ash traitor said both of you grow up and shut up? >> yes. i think jon will step back on the show in a minute if the price is right. >> see you on your show tomorrow. i appreciate you both being here. >> all right. is there some sort of love potion in the water at the late night shows? i have to wonder. first you have david letterman

sleeping with a bunch of women on his staff. tonight i can tell you, jimmy kimmel is dating a coworker. is this such a big deal? tonight i'm asking, is it really okay to date your boss? the absolutely surprising results of the showbiz poll on the bad boys of hollywood today. who is the baddest of the bad boys? also this. big news breaking in the miley cyrus twitter uproar. miley's bizarre new video that explains why she canceled her twitter account. let me tell you, if you use twitter, the facebook, the e-mail or whatever, you certainly want to see this. this is "showbiz tonight." time to roll out the showb"show news ticker". they are making news right now.

>> blagojevich got fired once and i can you, you may get to hear those words from donald trump. new reports out today that the former illinois governor may appear on nbc's celebrity apprentice. look at these two. they have the same bad haircut. we have the first look at the duggars's new baby. jim bob and michelle have 18 kids and a popular show on tlc and now they are grandparents to a little girl. she was born it her parents, 21-year-old josh and wife anna this past thursday. wait. there is more. jim bob and michelle are now expecting their 19th kid. are you following along?

jim bob and official are now grandparents and they are expecting another baby. this morning on "the view," the duggars responded directly to the criticism of having so many kids. >> we really just know that each one of these children are a precious gift from god and are thankful for each 1. when other people say what they think or have ideas about it, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but as far as we are concerned, we feel like they are a precious gift and we are enjoying them. they are great. >> michelle is about halfway there. she is 4 1/2 months pregnant. did you see this? elvis's hair for sale. it's not your usual memorability, but it has grown in value and expected to sell for thousands and thousands.

>> elvis may have left the building ♪ but high left hair behind and now you can bid on it: >> what's it like to run your hands through elvis's hair. >> it's really exciting. >> is it soft or course? >> it's kind of course. you know, he died his hair. >> died or not, he had a great head of hair be it young elvis singing heart break hotel or old elvis saying aloha from hawaii. the haircut we all urge came in 1958. >> recognize elvis? he lost his hair to the army. >> private presley gave the hair to the president of his fan club, gary pepper who had cerebral palsy. >> elvis befriended him and took care of him. >> he died years ago and his nurse put his collection up for bid. the hair is the highlight.

>> did you smell it? >> doesn't smell like much. >> it has been authenticated by the foremost hair collector, the same man whose punch of michael jackson's hair is being turned into diamonds. it was picked up and saved after the pepsi commercial accident. the footage was obtained by us weekly. >> how much is a clump of hair worth? on the low end, maybe $12,000. they are hoping for over $100,000. his blue suede shoes may not be up for bid, but other items have been auctioned from prescription bill bottles minus the drugs to his american express card and hair has been auctioned before. a hunk of hair like this is rare. >> do you it? >> no,i don't. >> hard to imagine that years after this haircut, treat me

nice still applies. ♪ >> a portion of the proceeds will be donated to the united cerebral palsy in the south. things are getting hairy. kate claims jon cleaned out the joint account. jon said kate took $1 million. the operators know when money talks, people listen and they call in all fired up. we got a call from sherry in tennessee who thinks kate is playing the paparazzi. >> if kate hates the paparazzi so much and they live on 22 acres of property, why does she play with her kids and picnic in the front yard? >> thank you. we heard from lindsay and lindsay thinks jon neats to man

up. >> this whole jon gosselin thing, he has to man up and be a man and take responsibility for his kids. he is going to the media for what? he looks like a jackass. >> you can call us and sound off on jon and kate or anything on your mind. we can play your call and post them on the home page. brand-new today, this just happened this afternoon. mike tyson's confessions to oprah. >> i have stalked her before. she socked me before as well. it was that kind of relationship. >> the former boxing champ is opening up about his violent fights with his ex-wife, robin givens. this is incredible. big news breaking. now, jimmy kimmel is dating one

of his coworkers. how does it compare to what david letterman did? is it okay to date your boss and what if the tables were turned? what if it was a woman boss dating her employee? >> obama, i know you are listening. are you listening? >> why is lady gaga screaming at obama? why am i screaming about her screaming at obama? what she is demanding from obama. this is "showbiz tonight" on hln. this is time for the news ticker. more stories from the "showbiz tonight" newsroom making news right now.

>> right now i've got your first listen to a michael jackson song. the song went up today on michael's official website. it's called this is it and the title track to the movie that comes out on october 28th. give it a listen. ♪ this is it ♪ i'm going to light up your world ♪ ♪ this is real

♪ and i feel as though i've known for for a thousand years ♪ >> this is it is not a new song, but michael did the song a long time ago. it was never released. there were 100 more unreleased songs out there. i posted a song with face page this afternoon. i immediately started getting tons and tons on it. not so hot on this is it saying the song is just okay. nothing special. not very different from his earlier stuff. jade t said it's great. it has more meaning under these circumstances. i hope all the people who doubted him and accused him are

regretful. he was a great guy. >> the song only makes me miss mj so much more he is the king so much more. i want to hear from you on facebook and breaking entertainment news alerts and sign up for our pages at cnn.com/showbiztonig cnn.com/showbiztonight. here's what's coming up at the bottom of the hour. miley cyrus, what the heck are you doing? ♪ >> miley quits twitter and miley makes a bizarre new video about it. jimmy kimmel is dating a coworker. how does this compare to what david letterman did? is it okay to date your boss? revealing to oprah the details about his violent fights with his ex-wife robin givens.

this is "showbiz tonight" on hln. time now to roll out the "showbiz news ticker." more stories from the newsroom making news right now.

now on "showbiz tonight." a brand-new late night romance controversy. jimmy kimmel is dating one of his coworkers. with comparisons to david letterman swirling, is it really okay to date your boss? ♪ miley's twitter uproar. miley cyrus setting the record straight in a rap song about the controversial reason why she is giving up twitter. mike tyson's new conventions on open are, the former heavy weight champion opens up about

his violent fight with his ex-wife, robin givens. >> i had socked her before and she socked me before as well. it was just that kind of relationship. >> brand-new shocking details about iron mike's life behind closed doors. more stories breaking from the "showbiz news ticker." tv's first most provocative news show continues right now. welcome back to "showbiz tonight." 30 minutes past the hour. tonight, dating the boss. not just any boss, jimmy kimmel, the late night boss. big news breaking as we learn that late night host jimmy kimmel has a romantic relationship with someone who works for him. this is no david letterman case. a great debate broke out about

where it's okay to date the boss. breaking today, the miley cyrus twitter uproar. you have to see this video of miley cyrus breaking out into song to reveal why she deleted her twitter account and is done with twitter. anybody who has anything to do with twitter or facebook, you will not want to miss this. also in hollywood, the host of the radio show. jimmy kimmel confirmed that the story first reported by people.com that kimmel has been in a relationship with the cohead writer of his show is true. i have to emphasize again, this is certainly not the exact same situation as david letterman. is it ever okay for the boss to be in a relationship with someone who is working for them? >> it depends on who the boss is

and the circumstances. as a woman in this business, my bosses are soon to possibly be bosses were like it would be a good idea if we dated. if it has something to do with keeping a job or a woman perceives that her male boss has so much power over over her, that's not a good thing. if it's 100% consensual and they are into each other, but i think this is revenge of the nerds. these guys were all nerdy and couldn't get the girl. now that they are popular and celebrities and make tons of money and they can ask any chick out. >> i never thought of jimmy kimmel in that category. i'm a huge fan of his. it's consensual and they are into it. he's not married. what's the deal for you? >> dating sucks right now. we spent so much time at work

why not date the people who are around you. we spent so much time, why not look around in the dating pool? i think it's cool. >> on "the view" today, the ladies had to talk about the situation. is it anyone's business? >> in the wake of mr. letterman, does the public have a right to know who you are dating? does it matter? he's not married. >> letterman opened the floodgates and everyone has to confess if you are in a powerful position. >> that seems to be the impetus for getting us out there. given what happened with letterman, i have to think that kimmel was smart in staying ahead of the story and getting it out there when he was asked about it. >> i think he was smart.

like you said, this is not the same situation. this guy is not married and hasn't been living with a woman for a time. it's a different situation. letterman admitted to having affairs with numerous employees and that's not the same with jimmy kimmel. we have a right to know who they are dating. they begged us to make them celebrities so we go through their trash. >> there is the element of losing your privacy. here's part of the interesting stuff. we have been asking on air and online, jimmy kimmel dating a staffer, is there anything wrong with dating the boss? a ton of responses came in on our facebook pamg. here's what isabel b writes, if you want to get involved with your boss, you should be ready to deal with the aftermath of the break up and the possibility of them losing their jobs. >> who cares who they sleep with. people are people and we have attractions whether at work, on the street, in a restaurant or

in the library. it just happens. i appreciate that. is there a double standard because it happens to be a powerful man involved? let me ask you this. i will pose this hypothetical for you. do you think there would be the same reaction if katie couric was dating the head writer of her show? >> that would be the biggest scandal ever. it's always that double-edged sport. men can do whatever they want. i hate to be jaded here, but i won't deny the fact that david letterman got a lot of notice when he said he was having an affair with someone who worked for him. they come on at competing times and they wanted to quell that attention and get ratings for his own. who knows. definitely if katie couric was, it would be an outrage. >> a silver lining. good ratings. big news breaking today. miley cyrus is fed up with

sharing every moment of her life so what did she do? deleted her twitter account. oh, the horror. even her father begged her to change her mind, but in this new rap video, miley is telling everyone why she is done with twitter. take a look. ♪ the humor is true, i deleted my twitter ♪ can you believe it? i said adyos and had to say good-bye ♪ this little rap is to tell my fans why ♪ ♪ it wasn't because my friend told me to ♪ ♪ y' all know very well. the reason was simple. i started living for people.

you write what you are doing, but who really cares? everything that i type and everything that i do all the people take it and make it new. i want my private life private and i am done trying to please. i'm not living for tabloids, i'm living for me. >> i was just tweeting i drank a cup of coffee. she blames herself and i can help that too. she is the who put too much information out there. leslie, i am thinking miley is speaking for a lot of people who think we are all putting too much information out there. >> yes. people like mily in my opinion will be back when she sees that the britneys and the other young girls are getting more information. that's my prediction. i'm confused on the video. she said here's why and i saw small butts on the screen shaking. is she getting off twitter

because this is why? the butt shaking? i'm confused by that. it is crazy that we say i'm drinking coffee and brushing my teeth. people like her live for that. either that or she would have to do something with her time and money. >> the butt shaking grabs attention. what's your take? >> there is no more videos on mtv so we have videos on twitter. i think it's obnoxious and i don't care what people do every second and it's ruining celebrity hood. when we know everything people do, why do we care to go to the movie premiers. no more twitter. it's too much. who cares? >> we move on tonight to mike tyson's disturbing revelations about his relationship with robin givens. >> i have socked her before and she socked me as well. it was that kind of a relationship. >> the former heavy weight

champion reveals confessions about violent fights with his ex-wife. who do you think is the biggest star bad boy these days. david letterman having sex with employees, levi johnston using the sarah palin connection or jon gosselin? tonight the shocking results of our poll. >> obama, i know that you are listening. are you listening? >> wow! why lady gaga went all the way to washington to yell at the president. wait until you hear the president's shocking reaction to sharing the stage with her. time now for the "showbiz news ticker." more stories making news right now.

>> welcome back to "showbiz tonight" in new york. tyson tells all to oprah. ever see something on television that was hard to watch, but you couldn't look away? today on her show, oprah winfrey

intrude former boxing champ mike tyson. he told all from the stormy marriage to robin givens to the tragic loss of his little girl. his interview is making big news right now. >> i thought that god never created a man that could beat me in a fair fight. >> hard hitting is the best way to describe mike tyson's powerful and emotional interview on today's oprah winfrey show. >> it was an abusive relationship? >> definitely. >> he revealed shocking details about his violent eight-month marriage to robin givens in the 80s. >> robin is a very tough woman. she's very tough and can be mean as well. >> "showbiz tonight" can tele you, it was far from the only shocker if today's interview. there was the startling sight of the most feared man in boxing history on the verge of breaking down as he described the recent death of his daughter. >> oh, man.

this is my angel right there. >> he explained what the heck he was thinking when he bit off evander holyfield's ear in 1997. >> i was missed off he was a great fighter. >> tyson reveals that he's a changed man. >> i don't want to go down that road anymore. >> in the 1980s he made history by becoming the youngest heavy weight champion ever at 19. he made more headlines because of alleged abuse of his then wife robin givens. >> during a interview with barbara walters, givens described the abuse she suffered at the hands of her then husband as tyson looked on. >> there was a time when he cannot control his temper. that's frightening to me. >> today on oprah, he remembered what he was thinking during that moment. >> i truly wanted to soccer her.

at that moment. i just didn't do it. i was young at the time. >> did you sock her afterwards? >> not afterwards i didn't sock her. i wanted to sock her and i had socked her before. she socked me before as well. it was just that kind of a relationship. >> tyson's violent tendencies would get him in trouble again. in 1997 he bit off evander holyfield's ear. >> i was enrage and i wanted to inflict pain on him. >> today as he tries to turn over a new leaf, his life continues to experience tragedy. last may his 4-year-old daughter died after her neck got caught in a treadmill cord at the home of her mother. a still devastated tyson said he doesn't know the details of the accident and that's exactly the way he wants it. >> we're heard it was a freak accident.

>> yeah, yeah. that's what i heard too. >> for twisted the cord? >> i don't know. i don't want to know. >> you don't want to know? >> if i know, then somebody is going to be the blame for it. if somebody is to blame, there will be a problem. >> you don't want to carry it? >> yeah. >> he is married with a new wife and new baby. his children keeps him going. >> that's the only thing that matters now. >> after experiencing enough troubles to last two lifetimes, he said he's a man desperately trying not to repeat the mistakes of the past. >> i don't want to go down that road. i know what it's like to meet the devil. i don't want to do that no more. >> it was so moving. tyson was on oprah to promote a documentary about his life, tyson, which is out on dvd. the results of our question of the day, friday.

we asked you to vote moments ago. the results came in. who is the biggest bad boy. 24% said david letterman for dating staffers on the show and 16% said levi johnston for plans to take it all off for "playgirl," but the winner by a landslide is 60% said jon gosselin was the biggest bad boy for becoming a womanizing super stud in the middle of his divorce battle. even though levi johnston did not come out on top of the poll for dropping trou, joy behar has a beef with him. hln's brand-new hit, "the joy behar show." this currently unemployed dad is seeking fame by using nothing more than his assets. joy, not for nothing. she has a few words of wisdom for levi and she has a proposition for another sexy photo spread. >> just when you thought the

sarah palin soap opera might be riding off into the tundra, up pops levi johnston. i mean pops up. bristol palin's baby daddy is going to unzip his levis and show us his johnston in "playgirl" online magazine. i hope he is not built like a moose. sarah is likely to shoot him from a helicopter. i don't know if it hurs her career, but it will help levi meet fabulous men. levi, how do you feel about liza minelli or madonna. most subscribers are male. not the kind who become baby daddies like you. he is not the only one dropping his jeans. six athletes including serena williams are posing for espn the magazine's body issue. since when does espn stand for ever seen plaxico naked.

big whoop. celebrities posing naked is nothing new. marilyn monroe posed and burt reynolds took it all off for cosmo. it's enough with the nude pictures posed for playboy. and burt reynolds, god help us, took it off for cosmo. enough with the nude pictures. been there, done that. it is time for something new. just once i would look to see a magazine celebrate brains instead of body. how fabulous would that be. imagine nude centerfold of alan greenspan or doris kearns goodwin, or madeline albright, without the pins of course that has got to hurt. but that's just me. >> with you, joy, brains and not body. that has a nice ring to it. a magazine idea. go start it off i say. moving on. lady gaga goes to washington few yell at the president. >> obama, i know that you are listening. are you listening?

! >> the pop superstar's passionate plea. lady gaga and why she is screaming at the president. you won't believe what president obama says about her. this is "showbiz tonight" on hln. now the "showbiz tonight" news ticker, more stories from the showbiz newsroom making news right now.

obama, i know that you are listening. are you listening! >> that is lady gaga, she is screaming for justice for the gay, lesbian, bisexual, transjertran transgender march. lady gaga joined by thousand demanding the president keep his promise. lady gaga got emotional talking about her commitment to the cause. wait until you hear what president obama had to say about her. welcome back to "showbiz tonight." i'm a.j. hammer in new york.

tonight. lady gaga's presidential face-off. the pop superstar was one of several stars including cynthia nixon in d.c. for the national equality march. lady gaga tells "showbiz tonight" that her rebel yell, calling on the president for equality, it was for everyone. but mostly for her young fans who feel like they don't hatve voice. lady gaga got choked up talking about her passionate commitment to young gays and lesbians. >> i was hoping to make more young people aware of what this is all about and why it is so serious. i am just, i'm quite like really touched by -- by the whole day really. this has been the most important moment of my career. >> wow, although we are not sure the president specifically heard lady gaga scream. "showbiz tonight" can tell you he did give lady gaga a shout-out in a major speech at the human rights campaign the

night before lady gaga's emotional scream. president obama joked about who the real star of the show was. >> thank you so much -- all of you, it is a privilege to be here tonight to open for lady gaga. >> there you go, lady gaga did perform after the president's speech. singing john lennon's imagine. so the showbiz oncall phone lines have been ringing. so many people have been calling in about jon and kate's ugly public war. talk of money. money, money. who has the gators. who is taking it. enough to make you nuts. we got a call from elise who believes jon and kate hatch lost sight of the most important thing, their eight young kids. >> i think both parents are to blame. i think they both let money and fame get in the way and forgot about the children. both are at fault. they both need to get a grip and do what is best for the children. >> thank you, call us at showbiz

oncall to let us know what you think about this or anything else on your mind. the phone lines are open all the time at -- leave us a voice mail. we'll play some of your calls right here on "showbiz tonight." and, your calls to showbiz oncall are also online on our home page which is cnn.com/"showbiz tonight." well that is it for "showbiz tonight." thank you for joining us. i'm a.j. hammer in new york. please keep in mind you can always catch "showbiz tonight" on the 11s -- 11:00 p.m. eastern and pacific. in the morning, 11:00 a.m. in the morning, 11:00 a.m. eastern on hln. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com coming up next, president obama has a lot going on. he's under fire from the right for winning the nobel peace prize. exactly how did this become a bad thing? and the gay community wants to know when he's going to repeal the military don't ask/don't tell policy. the chief executive is saying don't worry. but they are.

finally, in showbiz news, jimmy kimmel is dating a co-worker. is he the only late-night host who didn't get the memo? all that and more on "the joy behar show" tonight.

tonight, is the right really outraged that president obama won the nobel peace prize? or are they just ticked off because tom delay didn't win "dancing with the stars?" then obama vows to end don't ask/don't tell and the gay community is asking when already? plus, ed begley jr. on what it feels like to be run over by rush limbaugh. all this and more, tonight.

apparently winning the nobel peace prize is now a political liability. at least according to obama's detractors. helping me pick through the gop's sour grapes are k.t. mcfarland, former deputy assistant secretary defense in the reagan administration and roy sekoff, founding editor of "the huffington post." he won the nobel peace prize, k.t., why didn't he deserve it? >> what's he done? by my count he's made seven terrific speeches but not signed one peace treaty, not stopped one nuclear weapon from being developed, hasn't softened adversary hostile speeches. so i understand the importance of making the signal, but he's not done anything to accomplish it. i would contrast that to my old boss, ronald reagan. hundreds of millions of people freed from the yolk of soviet

oppression, tens of thousand -- >> he didn't do that himself. to take credit for that -- >> gorbachev gave him credit. >> gorbachev is a gentleman. he's going to take credit for that? >> i think credit goes to a number of people but i think the instigator of a lot of it was ronald reagan. i can go through the arguments with you. >> ronald reagan is always invoked as if he created -- he did everything for the republican party that was never done again. bush undid everything he did. >> but joy, ronald reagan didn't get an honorable mention from the nobel committee. i have to make the argument -- >> nay have their opinion. >> they're entitled to it. >> they never said it was an objective panel. >> the real question is, did obama deserve it? i don't think even he would say he deserved it. >> he was very gracious. >> he was very gracious. >> here's the question. where's the venom? where is the vitriol coming from the right? it's outrageous. it's one thing to say we're having a discussion on "the huffington post" now. some people say he deserved it, some people say he didn't. the likes of rush limbaugh to say -- >> he's angry naturally. listen to this tirade.

>> can you imagine, folks, how big obama's head is today? i didn't think it could get any bigger, but i think his head's now growing so big that his ears actually fit. liberal sellouts get this prize. george bush liberates 50 million muslims. ronald reagan liberates hundreds of millions of europeans, saves parts of latin america, any awards? no. just derision. obama gives speeches trashing his own country and he gets a prize for it. >> he's so jealous and angry it seems to me because the guy got the nobel -- first of all, iraq, 100,000 civilians were killed in iraq. let's not give credit to george bush for that. in latin america, what did he do in latin america? what did he do there?

beside invade grenada. >> reagan did an awful lot of things throughout the world -- >> the peace prize worthy of that. el salvador, very worthy of the peace prize. >> nuclear weapons, intermediate, the short-range nuclear weapons. it was a class of weapons not just reduced, eliminated. >> let me ask you this -- >> no. >> i'll take you on. one at a time. one at a time. >> remember when limbaugh said, i didn't want him to fail, it wasn't about america, it was about his policies. listen to that. v vitriol. he said he wanted to be on the same side of hamas and the taliban. he thought that was hilarious. >> rush limbaugh is, "a," not the republican party. to have a serious conversation about this, i think this presents president obama with a much bigger problem. >> which is? >> there's no yardstick. there's no benchmark of, okay, because if you look through the announcement that the nobel peace prize, the nobel committee said, they said they were giving it to him in hopes for his quest for nuclear disarmament throughout the world. what happens if a year from now

iran has nuclear weapons? north korea successfully test thousands nuclear weapons -- >> he would have failed. that doesn't stop the committee from giving him a prize. >> i think obama was gracious with his statement. he knows he didn't deserve it. >> k.t., you give him no points for the fact he changed the conversation in the world? they hated us up until george bush was out of office. >> okay, joy -- >> the world hated us. >> what have we gotten for it? >> we don't know yet. >> have we gotten russia to help us out? have we gotten? >> you're supposed to have something in your hand immediately. he's working on it. the fact people don't hate us and want to kill us, with the same ferocity, is a big deal. >> he went to europe and the europeans now love us. what have we gotten for it? >> he went to cairo. that was more significant. >> tell me one thing -- we haven't gotten anything from this. haven't gotten european cooperation in afghanistan, didn't get european cooperation in the bank bailout. what have we got. in the middle east? in the middle east we haven't gotten those countries to step up to stop -- >> i agree with you.

>> he's in office for nine months. >> he's not running for prom king. he's president, commander in chief. >> it's not his fault he's popular. you're like the kid in high skool that's mad that the guy got -- she's the prom queen and you're not. >> if he gets something for miss popularity, think it's terrific. so far he hasn't gotten anything that helps my country. >> listen to rnc chairman michael steele, what he said. he used the win to try to make some money. this is brilliant. oh. okay. here's a fund-raising letter he sent. "it's a stunning if not truly surprising indication of just how meaningless a once honorable and respected award has become. what has president obama actually accomplished? please support gop elected officials by making a contribution of $25, $50, $100, $500 or $1,000 today." >> carpe diem. it he can make -- some money off of it terrific. >> the anger works. the guy, joe wilson, the guy who yelled "you lie" has made more money than he spent in his entire campaign.

since yelling "you lie." i agree with you on the fact that there is a danger for obama now, particularly with afghanistan. he's making the decision, is he going to go 15,000 more, 40,000 more? if we see a lot more civilian casualties and the inevitable bloodshed -- remember the famous line that irony died when henry kissinger got the nobel prize -- in 1973. >> i worked for kissinger for seven years. >> you didn't think that was ironic? >> i think henry kissinger change ed the world. had the opening to china, the first ever -- >> he got the peace prize for stopping bombing people in cambodia -- >> he was forgiven for cambodia? is that what you are saying? he should get the peace prize? that's like saying, now gerbels is now becoming an advocate for nuclear disarmament. >> china, middle east -- >> yeah, exactly. >> good, no more smacking around. >> "saturday night live" poked fun at the award. listen to this. >> now, this prize bestowed by

the nobel committee in norway is given annually to individuals who have made significant contributions to world peace. jimmy carter won it for decades of trying to find solutions to international conflicts. al gore, his years of educating u.s. about climate change. us, well, i won it for not being george bush. >> good enough reason for me. >> that is a serious point you're making. >> setting up a credibility gap. >> what's the point i'm making? >> you're making the point after eight years of dark disengagement, the world is saying, thank you. >> the sun is coming out. >> so, i mean, i think it's premature -- >> i think is a premature unless he has substantive things to back up. the world has said, we're anointing you. we're expecting a lot of great things from you. what happens if he doesn't get those great things? >> that's another story. that's really beside the point in a way. he's not a bully. why can't the right wing of your party understand you can be diplomatic and not a bully and accomplish something? why is that not in their discussion patterns? >> when you go back to ronald

reagan where you say everybody -- >> but he is dead, kt, move ate long. >> ronald reagan was able to talk the talk and walk the walk and be gracious about it. i think president obama was very gracious in his statement at the white house. >> gracious? wait, wait, wait. >> hey, come on, he knows he doesn't deserve it. he was gracious. you know what he should do when he goes to accept -- tom friedman had a great article over the weekend saying president obama should go and when he accepts that award, he should say i'm accepting this on behalf of the american military. >> maybe he will do that. >> i hope he does. >> that's the point. i think they really were awarding the american ideal and that's what limbaugh was trashing and that's what the rnc was trashing. that's the problem. remember the little giddy dance they did when we didn't get the olympics? >> you two are fabulous. k.t., come back again. thanks to my guests. a little later i'll have a lot more to say about these right-wing nuts and their attacks on obama. up next, don't ask/don't tell under fire from gays and lady gaga. oh, yeah.

>> obama, i know that you're listening. are you listening?

he was drunk and he cornered me in the editing room. >> cornered you? >> yes. and i backed him off. i told him i was married and he was embarrassed and he left. >> you must have been really shocked. >> i was. believe me. >> but nothing happened? because nothing could have happened because you're married? >> don, i swear on my mother's life. >> you sure you want to do that? >> that was the scene from "mad men" where sal, a closeted gay man, is fired after a male client hits on him. that fictional show takes place in 1963, but the reality in 2009 is that gays are still discriminated against.

thousands marched on washington yesterday in protest and to ask obama to keep his promises to the gay community. joining me to discuss this are dan savage, author and columnist and brian batt, openly gay actor, designer and activist. welcome to the show. i love the show. it's really great. it's just -- i love it. that took place in 1963, that scene. where you would be fired if you were gay, on madison avenue, which is shocking to me. >> very shocking. the sad thing is it can happen today. there are laws -- >> not on madison avenue? not in the advertising industry? >> no, not now. >> they'd have to fire everybody. >> when you're compared to the rest of the country -- compared to the rest of the country madison avenue isn't that big of a street. there are a lot of other places where it could happen and still does happen, unfortunately. my characters are closeted. art director. >> and married. >> and married which unfortunately still happens. we cannot still be ourselves. it's very telling.

you know, reflects what's happening today. >> it's so dangerous to be in that situation, because a lot of men are on what they call the down low which is dangerous for the wives. >> for the wives, the women in their lives and the men -- they're living, it's living a lie. it's not what i was taught. >> saturday, president obama addressed this seemingly slow progress on gay rights. listen. >> my commitment to you is unwavering even as we wrestle with these enormous problem s and while progress may be taking longer than you would like as a result of all that we face, and that's the truth, do not doubt the direction we are heading and the destination we will reach. >> dan, we know that obama is trying to get rid of don't ask/don't tell. why is he taking so long? he can just with a stroke of a pen get rid of it. what's up? >> do we know that he's trying to get rid of don't ask/don't tell? obama has the authority to right now to suspend enforcement of don't ask/don't tell. with the stop loss order, 78

members of congress sent him a letter asking him to do that. they say they can't because they're governing a closely-divided country. wide majorities of americans, liberal, democrats, conservatives, republican, weekly churchgoers, support by super-majorities the repeal of don't ask/don't tell. obama faces no political blow-back for suspending its enforcement while congress works on repeal. he won't do it. the speech on saturday was great. we've heard it before. we heard it during the campaign. we heard it at the white house earlier this year after gay activists kicked up a fuss. over the obama defense of the marriage act. we're sick of hearing this speech. we want to hear movements of action. >> barney frank was quoted as saying all they did was make spots on the grass, that it's a waste of time to go to washington especially on the weekend when everybody is away. >> barney frank is a national treasure and one of my heroes. i went to the gay march on washington in 1987 and made an impression on the grass and didn't see my congressman. it changed me for the rest of my

life and it was extremely empowering. there's a lot of ripples that emerge from a march like that, and it's all over the newspapers today. these issues are being discussed because of the march. you know how the news business works. you need a hook. we are with that hook that the march created. we're discussing all these issues again and discussing really -- the gay community is holding obama and his administration accountable for their inaction. by dent of this march. i disagree with barney. >> i was talking to ms. napolitano, the homeland security lady at "the view." she says he's dragging his feet because he wants it to be right. that he's not going to jump into it. >> it is right. >> he wants to do it in the right way. it was very vague. but that was her answer. >> can i bring up something janet napolitano did, herself? there's something called a widow's penalty. where if you marry someone who is an american citizen and you want to emigrate and your american spouse dies before your marriage is two years old, you will be deported. this is a tremendous -- it's offensive and unjust. janet napolitano has suspended

enforcement of the widows' penalty while congress works on changing the laws. janet napolitano has authority that barack obama doesn't? >> isn't she gay? >> i never slept with her. >> you know what, guys? neither have i. so who knows. you also lose your social security if your spouse dies if you're not married. you're not allowed if you go from state to state to be in the emergency room or in the o.r. and make decisions if you're not married in a different state -- if you're married in oklahoma, let's say, that will never happen, but let's say, and you get sick in texas, the partner cannot make a decision for you. >> there was just a case in florida where a lesbian suffered a brain aneurism when she was in florida with her female partner and the three children they raised from birth, they had been together more than two decades. the hospital barred the woman's partner from her bedside as she died. she died alone in her bed without her children, her partner by her side. they had domestic partnership,

powers of attorney. all the forms were faxed to the hospital. the hospital wouldn't let them to their bedside because they weren't legally married. they said to this woman's face, florida is an anti-gay state. >> i see somebody owning the hospital. >> florida, you can't trust a state that's shaped like a penis. brian, you were raised in a very conservative family. >> i would say pretty conservative. new orleans background. >> why do you think people are against gay marriage? >> i think they don't understand it. i think people have a hard time wrapping themselves around a concept or something that they just don't understand, themselves. it's a selfish act, i think. >> a lot of things people don't understand. >> people didn't want women to vote. people didn't want blacks to have the same right whites did. you know what it is what should happen. it does happen eventually. that's why we supposedly elect officials that do the right thing, not necessarily the most popular thing. a lot of times the most popular thing is not --

you know the right thing. >> that's right. >> black people on the vote, women and the vote. we're constantly told whenever we are facing momentous social change if we take this step that the sky is going to fall. the sky never falls. women get the vote and public -- the republic endures. jim crow is done away it. segregation is done away with. and the republic endures. we should stop paying attention to the people who predict social catastrophe when there's civil rights progress because they're always wrong. >> yes, certainly. >> we don't learn from history. there is a rift within the gay movement, itself, right, dan? between the younger and the older gays, the younger seem to be much more anxious to get this moving and the older are, like, well, he has a lot on his plate. am i right? >> i'm 45 so i'm officially older. i'm extremely impatient. there's a lot of people out there. certainly the younger generation feels entitled to their full civil rights. they're no longer willing to play patty cake and wait. those were a lot of the people out there on the streets of d.c.

this weekend. they're driving this movement. the power players and people behind the scenes don't speak for those people. those people are going to make their own voices heard. >> god bless them. >> thank you so much for coming on this show. maybe they should take a page, the nra lobbies and the aarp. >> true. brian, thanks. dan, see you again later. first, the youngest baldwin joins me next.

my next guest is from hollywood royalty and he and his family play a big role in the breast cancer fight through the carol m. baldwin breast cancer research fund. joining me, actor stephen baldwin. welcome to the show. >> thank you. >> if you're hollywood royalty -- before we get to the cancer conversation -- who's the king of the family? alec? come on? >> without question. >> without question, he's the king? >> i just got asked the question if i ever seriously needed a large amount of money, who would i go to? i said, alec. he's got the most and it would

probably be bail money and at least $5 million. i'd have to go right to alec. >> all right. your family's very close. we're talking about your mother's illness. she survived cancer. >> sure. 19 year survivor. absolutely. >> must have been difficult with all the children to have a mother who was very ill with breast cancer. tell us about that a little bit. >> well, when my mom was diagnosed it was a year before my wedding, which i've been married 19 years. she didn't say anything. typical baldwin dysfunction, she just kept her mouth shut and didn't want to ruin the wedding. oh, gosh, mom, thanks. now we find out you have breast cancer. it was pretty far along. she eventually had a double mastectomy and has been a tremendous crusader ever since. >> when was the caroline baldwin fund started? >> over ten years ago. >> ten years ago. what's your part in the organization? >> there's two chapters. there's an upstate syracuse organization and downstate long island organization. daniel and myself work on the upstate one. alec and billy do the one in

long island. we do golf tournaments, events, black tie galas. annually they have a motorcycle ride that mom puts on the old pink helmet and rides in the side car of a harley davidson. >> wacky group, but they're fun, the baldwins. do you all get along with each other? >> very well. >> do you ever fight with alec politically? he doesn't agree with you on politics. >> i'll put it to you this way. we were hanging out a few months back. he said, "who would have ever thought?" i said, "what?" "little stephen, born again, conservative and republican." i said, "i'm a registered independent." he said, "we all know you're a republican sympathizer." you know -- >> you're a born-again christian, too, right? >> that's right. >> do you think god has helped your mother to get better? >> oh, absolutely. >> you do? >> i think god is sovereign and he allows and doesn't allow for things to happen, so if she's still here, then i would say it's his will. >> really? see, i don't understand that

when people talk like that because there are a lot of bad things that happen in the world, too. is god responsible for the bad as well as the good? >> no. god allows the bad. he allows the bad. >> what do you mean he -- >> god allows the devil to do what he does. >> oh, the devil? >> yeah. >> what does the devil look like? >> do you have children? >> i do. >> did you discipline them? >> no. >> never? . >> she never need it. she was a perfect child. >> no, i didn't. i don't believe in the devil. >> you asked me before the program, was i scared of you? when you do that, i get scared. >> what are you scared of? >> you're quite ferocious, joy. >> i'm ferocious? alec is not afraid of me. >> alec's alec. >> i wish he'd come on the show more often. >> has he not been on yet. >> he hasn't been on this show. he was on with me on "larry king." >> he'll be on. >> he'll be on and talk about you if you want him to. >> he'll say nothing about how much he loves me and how much fun we have. >> okay, kid, it was nice to have you. i hope i didn't scare you too much. >> i survived.

>> i'm a very nice person. i just have questions that i ask all the time. thank you, stephen. up next, another late-night host finds himself in hot water over an office romance. ccccc

okay. first david letterman is sleeping with staffers. now it appears as though jimmy kimmel is dating a staffer. is this office romance thing basically a showbiz phenomenon? does it go on everywhere? if so, why don't we hear about dentists getting their groove on at the spit sink? whose business is it anyway? joining me to discuss the cons, pros and promotions of office relationships are sex columnist and editor of "the stranger," dan savage. lea goldman of "marie claire" magazine and nicole williams,

author of "girl on top: your guide to turning dating roles into career success." well, the information is that kimmel is going out with a co-head writer on the staff. she started as an assistant in 2003. so she was promoted in six years she became one of the head writers. what do you think about that? do you think it's kosher what's going on there or not? >> honestly, i work with women all the time. 70% of our waking life is spent at work. inevitably we're going to meet someone at work who we are going to be attracted to. it's a great -- from my perspective, a great place to vet out whether or not this is a potential romantic interest because you know a little something about their work ethic, their character. >> the downside is the fact we're talking about it, questioning her credentials and saying, you know, does it seem unseemly? you know, it lends credence to the fact it is unseemly and invariantly people are going to

say, did she earn it the old-fashioned way? >> do you think girls care if you ask the question? they're making a big paycheck. what do they care? >> their colleagues do. the rest of the women in the office who don't necessarily play that game are left wondering what they have to do to get ahead. >> do we know that for sure, though? >> we're talking about it now. >> we're talking about it, but how did it come out? remember the letterman affair wasn't revealed by disgruntled staffers who felt he was favoring the women he had affairs with at work. it was reveal by a disgruntled boyfriend. it doesn't appear to be work place discontent. what's up with kimmel? how did that come out? >> wait a second. you don't know, dan, if everybody was -- if all those girls over there were disgruntled or not because they're going to keep their mouth shut. they're not going to start a war at the david letterman show or a kimmel show. >> we live in a litigious society where people quit jobs all the time. >> they like their jobs. >> based on discrimination. i feel if this had been going on at letterman for 20 years and letterman had been abusing this authority -- >> he's not abusing.

>> -- or promoting women, making it some how conditional there would have been a lawsuit before this guy attempted to -- >> that is not evidence there are shenanigans going on. of the few that are there, he has gone through four of them including his wife. there are certain questions over there. >> have any of you ever been in an office romance? >> oh, yes, yes i have, joy. >> tell me about it. >> i was a worker. he was my boss. >> where was this? >> in a restaurant, actually -- >> you were a waitress? >> i was putting myself through school. and because we were working 24/7 we had a connection. honestly -- >> did he give you the better shifts? >> maybe. yes. >> so to speak. >> shift, shaft, you know? >> yes, i may have had some of those better shifts. you know what's hard is, like, you don't know initially when you're attracted to someone in the workplace whether or not this is something worth really investing in. you've got to explore it a bit and sometimes it does have that, you know, superior subordinate relationship before you figure out, yes or no and whether or not you're going to quit the job

or go to hr. there's a lot of risk attached to this. >> don't you think, leah, that men -- also, dan, don't you think men are always going to be attracted to nannies and assistants and interns, besides the fact they're dogs, besides that? the fact that these are underlings, men feel more powerful. isn't that the problem? >> often women are attracted to these men. power is, as henry kissinger said many years ago, the ultimate aphrodisiac. we shouldn't infantalize women and make them out as if they are children. >> we shouldn't infantalize men either and say they can't keep it zipped up. >> i like dan's point. when n.o.w. came out and sort of implying that women are victims, that they are not consensually involved in romantic relationships at work, that it's forced upon them. i sort of call bs on that. >> it's the girls not involved that get ticked off. barack and michelle met on the job. she was his superior. what do you think -- >> that's hot. that's what i think. >> apparently so did barack.

>> at the time they were both very low-level employees. he was an intern. she was managing interns. this was, like, bottom of the rung. >> where do you draw the line? interns-interns, managers-managers, the boss has to go screw himself? where do you draw the line? the question isn't are there power imbalances? the question is, office relationships, the question is is there a hostile workplace environment? is there a quid quo pro? are people being coerced? are people being rewarded? if the answer to the questions is no, no harm, no fouls. >> does this happen in the gay community a lot, dan? mostly gay -- men on men in congress it seems. >> i'm gay and have been managing a large staff at "the stranger" and i have never had a workplace romance. i think i might be only one of your guests today, all theory and no practice. >> do you wish you did? >> no, not really. maybe the one intern once upon a time. i kept my hands to myself.

i kept it zipped. though i'm defending men who couldn't keep it zipped, i kept it zipped. >> good for you. he's an interesting statistic from volt.com. igovolt.com. every year 8 million americans enter into one romance in work. it's wide spread and happens constantly. >> all the time. and that's people that tar reporting, joy. what about those people who are not reporting? we're all doing it. >> all those dentists who aren't getting caught. >> all those dentists. isn't it messy when the thing breaks up? >> that's the worst part. isn't that the worst part? >> a horror show. a horror show. >> it's not pleasant for anyone. nobody likes to be in the conference room next to the guy who they had hey thing with last weekend now he is off doing his own thing. >> what about the boss always wins in that type of situation? she will be fired, not him? >> yeah. >> how do you respond to that, dan? >> well, i don't think that's always the case. you know, we always talk about worst case scenarios where it's a real train wreck when it ends. most workplace relationships end without anybody being aware that it began. most workplace relationships are handled discreetly. people are careful. we find out about the ones we find out about and don't find out about the ones we don't find out about.

>> yeah. stow wh so what do you think -- at the end of the day, what can we say? is it okay to date a colleague or not? >> keep your finger in your own honey pot. >> dit you'd -- did you get that, dan? it's thin ice. you have to judge these things on a case by case basis. you are on thin ice. >> my goodness knows how many more comedians are going to come out having -- >> we have an office pool going on at work. >> who do you think is next? >> no comment. you must know 20 people. >> i know nothing. i work at a -- >> joy, you have a show, joy, you have staffers and writers and interns. >> nothing happens at "the view." nothing happens at "the view." it's all women. it's estrogen laden. nothing goes on over there. but i have been in situations where they have. >> i see the way elizabeth looks at you. >> she just had a baby. >> yours? >> anyway, thank you so much for coming on, you guys. very interesting, all of you. coming up, something that's been getting under my skin, and i don't need a flu shot for it.

president obama had a very full weekend. on saturday he promised to end the military's don't ask/don't tell policy and on friday he won the nobel peace prize. this guy is busier than the wall paper in my aunt rose's living room.

not everyone was happy for him. republicans cheer when he loses the olympics and boo when he wins the nobel peace prize. who's writing the gop's press releases anyway? mahmoud ahmadinejad? when will these people realize you can be civil and make political points? mike huckabee managed to be gracious about obama's win. john mccain, too. and he's still pissed off from when woodrow wilson won his nobel prize. lastly, let me say a few words to president obama, himself. quit apologizing already. you won the thing fair and square. so can the humility act. go to norway, snatch up your piece of hardware and wave it in front of rush limbaugh's face. and not for nothing -- but if president obama does manage to get equal rights for gay americans then i think he should win the tony also. but that's just me.

richelle, i'm looking at you right now. you're not cleaning panels. >> why do you care? >> you're blocking the panels. not only are now not putting more power in the system, you're taking it away. >> please, i'm barely shading anything. >> come down from the roof. >> i'm not coming down. you're the one who brought me up here. >> forget about doing anything. just do no harm. >> forget it, dude. >> marital bliss. my next guest is an actor who wants to save the planet from the people living on it. the new season of his reality show "living with ed," debuts

october 22nd on planet green. please welcome environmental activist and actor extraordinaire, ed begley, jr. >> joy, thanks for having me. >> was that a typical day at home or was that -- >> very typical. richelle and i don't see eye to eye but she's a great woman. we're in love. >> how long have you been in love? >> we met in 1993. we hit it off right away, and she actually does care about the environment, but she's not at all willing to go to the lengths i'm willing to go, and, you know, i'd like to think i made her more of an environmentalist and she certainly made me more interested in things looking good. i lived in an environmental bunker before that. it was good on energy but it was not very good looking. >> you know, you seem to be a do-gooder in terms of your position on the environment. yet, people hate you. rush limbaugh doesn't like you, for example. he ran over a cardboard cutout ed on leno's show. look at this.

>> ed begley is going to jump out in front of him. you're not doing your score any help. oh, he's hitting it again. oh. come on. >> why doesn't he like you? >> he got me twice. i don't know. i'm a conservative like him. i like to conserve energy. i'm just a different kind of conservative. >> he's one of these people who denies global warming. millions of scientists can they -- can say there is global warming, but rush limbaugh says no. >> he thinks the jury is out on that. there's lots of credible information. i urge anybody who's curious about it not to get the information from me, an actor, or him, he's a performer too, get it from "science" magazine, "nature" magazine, cornell university. go to any university. i roll the dice on any university you want to say and go there and get information from people with ph.d. after their name. not me or rush. there is serious concern about global warming. we can do something that won't make us go broke, by the way. >> it will be good for the economy if we do it right. >> if we do it right. >> the bbc -- cited many sources -- the bbc did a story. what happened to global warming?

they're basically saying that since 1998 the temperatures have not been hotter. they've gotten cooler. >> cool compared to the hottest. they were hot, hot and getting hotter. now it's been cooling from that extremely hot period, yes. >> yeah. how do you talk to the right wing about that when everybody gets up in the morning and they say, hey, it's cold out? it's not warm? >> that's weather. there's weather then there's global climate. the polar icecaps are melting. they're not melting because it's getting cooler. they're melting because it's getting warm in places it shouldn't be getting warm which are the polar regions. we're losing ice not at kilimanjaro. glacial national park. you go few alaska and see the glaciers receding. they've been taking pictures of this stuff for a while. it's been receding greatly. >> what does it mean they're receding? what's going to happen to us? >> well, i think we're going to bre o bre -- be okay if we do some things, again that won't break the bank. the whole theory for not doing anything, joy, keep in mind, here's the reason not to do it, because we're going to go broke doing it. like they said go broke cleaning up the air in california.

we're broke now in california, many states because of the subprime crisis. but california prospered in many of the years from 1970 through 2005, california did well because there's jobs making catalytic converters and combined gas carbons -- >> that's definitely a good argument for the right wing. they always want to do -- make more jobs and more money. why are they so resistant to this? >> because they are afraid, with some justification, there will be jobs lost at oil refineries. but there will be jobs created making wind tur beans bines, elc cars, hybrid cars. i didn't go broke in 1970 when i did this stuff. i didn't behave in a fiscally irresponsible manner. i did all the cheap and easy stuff. as a broke actor that we could. we can do that now. you pick the low-hanging fruit first, do the weatherization, get a home energy audit, do all that stuff you can afford now. the dollars spent on solar panels and wind turbines are printed on flash paper. none of that is good for the

economy. of course the people that work at a wind turbine factory will go to the store to pay rent and do things people do with money. jobs in the oil industry are good jobs. jobs in green tech are somehow bad. and printed on invisible paper. >> i don't know if people know what you're talking about. you know what i mean? i'm not sure. you're an extreme version of trying to create your own environment, correct? in your home. >> right. >> for instance i read you ride your bike to power your toaster. do your kids pretend they don't know you? when they see you doing that. >> it doesn't really power the toaster. we did that for an illustration. if you're going to ride an exercise bike, if it's a smoggy day or rainy day, i rarely ride the exercise back. i'm usually riding to get somewhere. if it's a rainy day or smoggy day, why would i waste that energy? that energy getz into the batteries where the solar is stored. so the point i'm trying -- >> you're wasting the effort if you don't at least get something going. >> i'm getting something out of it. the energy, you're going like this. why not use that for something? the point of the jobs is jobs create wealth and there's jobs and money coming from the green tech industries.

a lot of them are doing very well. that's the point i was trying to make. >> you save a lot of money. my spies tell me your annual electric bill is up from $300 to $400. how do you live with yourself? >> it's not just electric -- i'm proud of that. it's not just my house that's running on that. my family. it is also lighting all the lights for the show, "living with ed," and driving an electric car, 10,000 miles a year. $400 doesn't represent 3 people living at home but a car going 10,000 miles a year to fuel that $400. fueled by that solar energy. >> it's complicated what you're saying. we have to try to make it accessible to everybody. >> let's make it simple. i'm getting all the gasoline that i'm buying which is electricity and running a house for $400 a year. let me make it simple. i'm fueling my car and powering my house for $400 a year. >> you still stay married. unbelievable. that's what the beauty of it is. we're going to come back and have more with ed begley jr. when we return. tomorrow on the program i'm going toe to toe with orly tates. remember her?

she's the leader of the birther movement. i hope she's legal. don't miss this one. i'm mike galanos. here's your hln "prime news" break. author of the best selling self-help book, "the secret." a decade after the columbine school massacre, the mother of one of the killers said she had no idea what her son planned to do. dylan klebold and eric harris killed 13 people and themselves in 1999. in a magazine essay, susan klebold admits she had no idea her son was suicidal. a top cdc official says you're better off with a swine flu vaccine than without it. the risks of not getting the vaccine are higher than risks linked to it. the doctor adds it's okay to get swine flu and regular flu shots on the same day. that's the look at the news.

i'm back with ed begley jr., we're talking about saving the world. a small thing. >> saving our species, many other species. the world is going -- >> what do you think of overpopulation? these people having eight, 9, 15. this family, the duggars, is having her 19th child. they can afford to have them apparently. to me it seems like that's an enormous carbon footprint. >> it is. we can get away with a lot when therefore a lot fewer people. when there's a billion people on the planet, there's a lot more wiggle room. now that there's over 6 billion -- when there's 150 billion people in this room, can you go over there, hand me that. >> would you hand me that piece of bread? i used to have a sociology

teacher back in the day who said that there were too many people to love. that was part of the problem that we were going to have. overpopulation in the world. one of the main issues in the world. >> that's at the root of all this. overpopulation is at the root -- >> should these people practice birth control or what? >> i don't want to dictate how many people anybody has. i think it's a prudent idea to have as few children as possible. >> me too. limit. >> that's a good idea. >> i think so too. let me give you this fast quiz. which is greener? dow chemical or monsanto? >> that's a tough one. you know, monsanto has a lot of stuff they're into that i'm not fund of in genetically modified organisms and what have you. to release gmos out into the environment is quite dangerous and i don't think that's a good idea. >> so, neither one is great. okay. what about paper or plastic? >> neither.

you take your canvass bag. if they say paper or plastic you say neither and you hand them your canvass bag. >> what about paper cups? >> i prefer a mug. if you're out somewhere and you don't want to travel around with a heavy mug, cause for fuel for the airline to travel if everybody carried mugs around. >> that is annoying. very annoying, all these mugs. >> you can't travel around with a mug. you're better off when you travel to not use a mug. >> if someone had a gun to your head and could only use one appliance, what would it be? >> if i could only use one appliance? oh, can i call a bicycle an appliance? >> no. >> okay. an appliance -- >> dish washer, refrigerator, toaster, washing machine. you had to pick one, otherwise people would kill you. >> only one single appliance? >> yeah. >> i guess i'd have a hot plate hooked up to my solar panel so i could cook something. >> very sneaky. that was sneaky. what about your clothes? how would you wash your clothes? down the river? >> i would go to the river.

>> what if you live in a land lock area without water? >> i'd get real funky quick. >> sometimes you see oil spills which i find that tragic when i see those poor birds. i hate that. is there a green way to clean oil spills up? >> people have experimented with different ways. there are different organic ways. i don't know how many of them really work. ways to clean up an oil spill. the best way is to not have so much oil in a dangerous situation. >> before we go, i want to clean this table. because it's annoying me and this is your stuff. >> listen, woman, you are wonderful. >> this is your new stuff. it's a shameless plug. i can -- look at yourself, how stunning you are. >> you're stunning, looking at you doing this. begley's best, a nontoxic cleaning product. >> i did an ad for you. thank you, ed. thanks to ed and all my guests for joining me tonight. thank you for watching. good night, everybody.

breaking news tonight. satsuma, florida. a 5-year-old little girl tucked into bed. five hours later she's gone. vanished. the back door propped wide open. daddy comes home from the nightshift to find not a trace of little haleigh. last person to see the 5-year-old alive that night? new stepmother misty croslin. bombshell tonight. just hours after croslin handcuffed by cops on alleged road rage she flies first class to new york, taking to the air to declare she's innocent. how does a fish get caught? he opens his mouth.

even in one brief interview she can't keep her story straight. minutes after croslin's debacle on national tv her lawyer dumps her. after her brother tells cops he was at the home that night and no sign of croslin, completely debunking her story, her mother weighs in that croslin's not coming clean. croslin's response on tv? "they betrayed me. they're the bad guys." look at them, don't look at me. and tonight her staunchest supporter, her husband and haleigh's father, admits cracks in her story through lawyers. she first claimed she knows nothing about haleigh's whereabouts, but then in a stunning twist blurts out, quote, the other side of the family took haleigh. who? then a 180 on the failed lie detector, claiming she passed,

then admitting she failed, blaming her own guilty conscience. is that an admission? cops reconfirm physical evidence contradicts croslin's story. has haleigh's disappearance, the nine-month search for the brown-eyed 5-year-old, and fingers pointing at baby-sitter turned stepmom misty croslin taken a toll? cummings and croslin divorce. croslin claims neither haleigh's disappearance nor the holes in her story had anything to do with the split. but have cummings' worst fears been confirmed? that his new wife, misty croslin, implicated in the disappearance of his own 5-year-old girl. >> the two of us have agreed to go separate ways. >> they are splitting up. >> with the family problems and everything else, it's just -- it's too much on the relationship. we can't go anywhere without being questioned or people staring at us or anything like

that. >> okay. so you're getting a divorce because people stare at you? i don't believe that for one minute. >> no, that's -- that's not why i'm getting a divorce. i'm -- that's a part of the reason why i'm getting a divorce. >> i mean, i don't want a divorce, but it's what he wants, so, whatever. not going to fight him. >> the last time you had seen her before, then, was when? >> 10:00, when i laid down to bed. >> you had put her to bed? >> mm-hmm. she went to bed at 8:00. >> but your brother told police when he went to the trailer that night that you were supposedly putting haleigh to bed you weren't there. did you go somewhere that night? >> no, i did not. i did not leave my house at all. >> why did he tell police that you weren't there? >> trying to get out of jail. that's what i think. >> so your brother was in jail? >> yeah, he was in jail. >> your own brother would betray you like that? >> that's how my family is. and tonight, live, missing,

a 13-year-old girl and her little 7-year-old twin brothers, upscale atlanta suburbs. the three at home go outside. all three together for a walk. they are gone. last sighting, a local neighborhood carnival about a mile away. where are 13-year-old janet and 7-year-old twin brothers alexander and alexis? tonight, is there a break in the case? >> a 13-year-old girl and her 7-year-old twin brothers are missing after they disappear, possibly at a local shopping center. that shopping center hosting a carnival. georgia police issuing missing children's alerts in the attempt to locate 13-year-old janet and 7-year-old twin brothers alexander and alexis villanuva. the 13-year-old girl taking a walk with her brothers. they never came back. frantic parents calling the cops hours later. just how do three children

vanish? good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. just hours after croslin handcuffed by cops on alleged road rage she flies first class to new york, takes to the airwaves to declare she's innocent. how does a fish get caught? he opens his mouth. but even in this interview she can't keep her story straight. changes, even subtle, small changes in misty croslin's story about the night haleigh went missing bothered you. what changes -- >> yes, ma'am. >> -- if any, do you recall? >> i can't really recall the exact changes. and they're real small. it's not like she -- she pretty much tells me the same thing each time she -- i ask her about it. >> they keep saying that you failed. do you want people to know something about that -- >> they're going to know. they're going to know. >> so are you saying that you didn't fail the polygraph like

people and law enforcement are kind of claiming that you did? >> no, i did not. >> ronald cummings, did it ever disturb you that misty croslin's story actually changed? >> yes, ma'am, it did. >> what about his claims that there are -- you're telling different stories? do you think he believes you're guilty now of something? >> no, i don't think so. >> what has he said to you about this? >> he just -- he hasn't really said, like, much about it, you know? he believes me. he doesn't think i had anything to do with haleigh going missing. >> when you say the other side of the family, you're talking about haleigh's natural mother? >> yes. >> why would she harm her own daughter? i mean, that's a pretty serious accusation. >> she wasn't close with her daughter. they -- she admitted that they didn't have a close relationship, her and her daughter. >> so what do you believe in your heart of hearts she may have done? >> i don't know. i don't think that she personally had anything to do with it. just someone on her side of the family. >> you're seeing new stepmother misty croslin on cbs' "the early show." we are taking your calls live.

first out to marlaina schiavo. marlaina, what's the latest? >> misty croslin says that her brother lied about the night coming over to knock on that door because he wanted to get out of jail. and she also clarified that she is blaming crystal's family for the disappearance of haleigh. and crystal sheffield has lashed out and has spoken out against what misty is saying. they're both pointing fingers at one another. so you know, misty is just kind of digging herself in a deeper hole to the point where her attorney has now dropped her. >> okay. to dr. janet taylor, psychiatrist and medical doctor. dr. taylor, do you get a sense -- i've seen this with defendants on the stand. it's like this. everybody else is at fault but them. here she's saying my brother betrayed me, my mother, it's just my family. that's supposed to explain it all? the brother places himself at the location that night, says he bangs on the door, no misty

croslin. that totally debunks her story. the mother says she hasn't come clean. and now on national tv she says they betrayed me, they're the bad guys. >> yeah, it's just one story after another. we know how dysfunctional, by her own admission, her life was. and now she's backed into a corner, so it's just all this finger pointing with no real understanding. she was the one in charge of little haleigh. what happened to her? >> take a listen to her ill-fated interview on cbs morning show, the interview her lawyer begged her not to do. >> the last time you had seen her before then was when? >> 10:00, when i laid down to bed. >> you had put her to bed? >> mm-hmm. she went to bed at 8:00. >> but your brother told police when he went to the trailer that night you that were supposedly putting haleigh to bed you weren't there. did you go somewhere that night? >> no, i did not. i did not leave my house at all. >> why did he tell police that you weren't there? >> trying to get out of jail. that's what i think. >> so your brother was in jail?

>> yeah, he was in jail. >> your own brother would betray you like that? >> that's how my family is. >> when you say the other side of the family, you're talking about haleigh's natural mother? >> yes. >> why would she harm her own daughter? i mean, that's a pretty serious accusation. >> she wasn't close with her daughter. she admitted they didn't have a close relationship, her and her daughter. >> so what do you believe in your heart of hearts she may have done? >> i don't think she personally had anything to do with it. just someone on her side of the family. >> so some phantom person on the bio mom's side of the family comes, gets the baby in the middle of the night. that's croslin on cbs "early show." it doesn't even make any sense. if the mother didn't care enough to live in the town where the little girl was, it's not like she had a job demand or a reason to live elsewhere that she could not get around. why would the bio mom bother to come kidnap the child in the

middle of the night if she didn't even exercise visitation rights? we're taking your calls live. let's go straight to the lines. first to ellie jostad, our chief editorial producer. croslin's response about her own brother, claiming he betrayed her and he made the whole story up to get out of jail. well, he didn't get out of jail. weeks and weeks passed. and think about it, ellie. if you're going to tell a big fat whopper lie to cops about your own sister to get out of jail, wouldn't it be something like she confessed she killed haleigh by accident? >> right. >> or she confessed she knew where the body was. why would it be i went to the house and knocked on the door and nobody came? who would make that story up? >> yeah, and her brother didn't go into any real detail about it. he said he went there, knocked on the door, hung out a little bit, the house was dark. he didn't say oh, and i went inside and she wasn't there. all he said is that he knocked and she didn't answer. now, of course, misty croslin is saying, oh, i was there the whole time. i was asleep, i must not have

heard him knocking. >> out to the lines. shirley in florida. hello, shirley. >> caller: hello, nancy. >> hi, dear. >> caller: hi. my question is have they put any comparison between misty and her actions and casey anthony? because to me she seems like she's acting like another casey anthony. >> huh. to marc klaas, president and founder of klaaskids foundation. he's a child rights advocate. what do you make of that comparison? >> well, it's not far off. i think that misty's complete and total lack of life experience is what's really betraying her, not her brother. and i think that's a very revealing statement, nancy. if this family is willing to betray each other over something like getting -- a get out of jail free card, what does that say about her? and who is she willing to betray? is she betraying ron? is she betraying haleigh? is she betraying everybody that's standing behind her?

and why does ron continue through his lawyers to say that he's supporting misty and that he's not concerned about the inconsistencies in her story when we thought he was divorcing her? he's still providing cover. he's probably his own worst enemy at this point. >> keep haleigh's face out there. and if you have any information leading to her disappearance to call it in. it don't matter who it hurts. and i want to let everyone know that i'm not hiding anything for anybody. let's bring haleigh home.

the step mom of missing haleigh cummings breaking her silence. >> you're saying you didn't fail the polygraph like people in law enforcement are claiming you did? >> no, i did not. >> bottom line, you don't know where haleigh is? >> bottom line. >> she tells a local reporter on her way she never failed the polygraph. then she gets on the cbs "early show" and blatantly admits she failed a poly. >> misty did this interview without the blessing from her attorney, robert fields who said he did advise her not to do this, but misty croslin is speaking out saying she's not worried about getting arrested. she believes haleigh is alive and well. >> i didn't do anything to that little girl. >> she didn't say it was fact

the other side of the family was involved. i watched her eyes roll a little too. all indicators she's lying. this is a diversionary tactic from an individual who's a suspect in a very, very serious case, obviously. >> i thought all along she had something to do with it and now this kind of just proves it. i mean, she was the last one to see our daughter and her stories just don't add up. >> also we learn ronald cummings, through his lawyer, states he no longer accepts her story. he's beginning to see the cracks in it and he has been her staunchest supporter. out to the lines. sandy in arkansas. hi, sandy. >> caller: hey, nancy grace, i love you, dear. >> thank you. and thank you for calling in. >> caller: and i'm so proud of you and your hubby and your twins. >> you know what? we are -- like god heard our prayers and answered them 10,000 times over.

>> caller: i have followed you for so many years. court tv, all of them. but anyway, i'd just like to make a comment on the cell phone bills, if there is a cell phone that ronald tried to call misty that night. if he tried to call 20 times, ronald's got a hot temper, i wonder why he didn't leave work and go home and check to see what was going on. i'm not buying this story. >> to terry shoemaker, attorney for ronald cummings. that's haleigh's father, of course. terry, well-known attorney in the jacksonville area. in fact, the whole region. terry shoemaker, thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> let me just clarify again, and correct me if i'm wrong. because i'll find out later at some point. the truth will be uncovered. isn't it true, mr. shoemaker, that ronald cummings stayed at work his full shift and he got home around 3:00 a.m.? >> absolutely. he never left. >> terry, what did he do for a living?

what was it exactly he did there? >> he was a crane operator. amongst some other -- >> i'm sorry. i couldn't hear you. repeat. he did what? >> he was a crane operator. >> okay. were there other people around him observing him operating the crane amongst other things? >> yes. he was there all night. you know, there were some times, you know, based on our conversations with fdle, that people didn't actually see him. but they were for very short periods of time. and people saw him there all night for the most part. >> and his home was about a 30 or 40-minute drive away? >> a little less than that. you know, probably anywhere from 20 to 30 minutes. >> okay. give him 30. he would have to have been gone about an hour and a half, 30 minutes there, 30 minutes back, and 30 minutes for whatever was to take place there. was there that big of a gap of people seeing him? >> absolutely not, nancy. >> okay. mr. shoemaker, you're giving me your word on that? >> absolutely, nancy. >> and again, you said he operates a crane. was he operating a crane that night? >> i don't believe he actually

was that evening. i know he had a couple different things he was doing -- >> like what? >> i can't really answer that specifically. i know -- >> why? >> well, when we spoke with law enforcement the last time, they asked him about his different jobs that evening and he said that he had to move some material from different locations and -- so i know he had a number of different responsibilities. but his primary responsibility at that job was as a crane operator. >> indoors or outdoors? >> well, the crane is outdoors, but he would move things to different aspects of the job site and take care of material that way. >> so we know absolutely he did not leave the job site? >> absolutely. >> okay. i need to go to you. ellie jostad, this one i don't understand. about all those phone calls. if she did not have her telephone turned on, that may be explaining why cops can't get a ping on her to locate where she was. because even if you don't pick the phone up, if your phone is ringing or it's turned on,

you're still emitting pings. am i right or wrong about that? >> yeah, you're right. and police have told us that they have not been able -- or they haven't been real clear about what they've been able to learn about misty croslin's cell phone. but you're right. we do know that ron called her over 20 times that night and apparently never got an answer. >> everyone, quick break. we're taking your calls live. now we know why misty croslin's lawyer insisted that she not give an interview. to tonight's case alert. a miracle. 16-year-old bipolar chicago girl who vanishes off the streets on her way to school in the morning found alive after a tipster sees our program. tonight 16-year-old jessica jones reunited with her family. breaking news. there is a god.

when you say the other side of the family, you're talking about haleigh's natural mother? >> yes. >> why would she harm her own daughter? i mean, that's a pretty serious accusation. >> she wasn't close with her daughter. they -- she admitted that they didn't have a close relationship, her and her daughter. >> so what do you believe in your heart of hearts she may have done? >> i don't know -- i don't think that she personally had anything to do with it. just someone on her side of the family. >> that is new stepmother croslin on cbs "early show." unleash the lawyers. joe lawless, defense attorney out of philadelphia and author of "prosecutorial misconduct." and stacey schneider, defense attorney out of new york. let's see that map again, norm. joe lawless, don't you just love it when your client actually

points to a specific person as the one who did it? take a look at how far away crystal sheffield lives from little haleigh. so she drove over an hour to get there in the middle of the night, sneaks in, leaves the door propped open? misty croslin doesn't hear a thing. then she leaves -- >> nancy, you stole the phrase i've used on the show countless times that even a fish wouldn't get caught if she kept her mouth shut -- >> that's not exactly what i said. i said how does a fish get caught? he opens his mouth. that's what i said. >> well, if this girl keeps doing what she's doing, it's only a question of time before she's charged with something having to do with this kid's disappearance. she just repeatedly, repeatedly contradicts herself, and if i were her lawyer i'd have dropped her, too. >> stacey schneider, i always loved it as a prosecutor when a defendant or a suspect points a finger at a specific person and says they did it because then you could bring that person to court and have them speak to the

jury and clearly give an alibi, show why they didn't do it. look, this mom doesn't even exercise visitation. you think she's going to go to satsuma, florida, and steal a child in the middle of the night? >> yeah, nancy, that was a really bad move on her part. it's sort of like throwing junk up against the wall and seeing what will stick. and i think she's in a desperate position. she just threw it out there for us to hear.

i think we both agreed on it. >> who brought it up first? >> i did. >> everybody knows that i love haleigh and ronald and junior. it's a family like haleigh wanted. >> just being married, it can be stressful and there can be challenges. >> okay, sir, let me talk to your wife. let me get some information from her. okay. can i talk to her? okay. >> how the [ bleep ] can you let my daughter get stole? >> and on top of that, everything that they went through during their marriage.

>> i don't know anything about her flunking a polygraph. i know what's been said about it, but i'm not a polygrapher myself, but i didn't see any results. >> it's definitely an issue that she's 17 years old. she doesn't have the adult thinking skills many of us would have even though she's leading a very adult life. >> just divorce. i mean, i don't want a divorce, but it's what he wants, so, whatever. >> ron has stuck by misty all along. he's always thought that she's told the truth. he has had some turns -- concerns, i'm sorry, regarding what she has said, some discrepancies between different statements. but he has stood by her all along. he bases that on the fact that she has been a little aloof on certain situations and she has changed her story a little here and there, but nothing major. i don't think he's doubting whether or not she was involved. he's just doubting whether everything she said is what transpired that night.

but he in no way believes she was involved whatsoever. >> that is terry shoemaker, who was on "the early show," cbs. he's with us live tonight. and earlier you saw misty croslin from cbs morning. we are taking your calls live. but i want to go back to terry shoemaker. this is the attorney for ronald cummings, the biological father of little haleigh. he had custody of her. he goes to work that night, comes home, she's gone. and there rubbing her eyes like she's sleepy is girlfriend turned new stepmother misty croslin who said, rutro, i guess i slept through the whole thing. okay. terry shoemaker. >> yes, ma'am. >> please don't sugarcoat it for me the way you did on the morning shows. because if you are doubting aspects of misty croslin's story, that means you doubt the whole story. you know, you may want to take the light version and think she went out that evening and somebody else came into the home. i don't know how likely or

probable that is. or you may take a more realistic look that she was the last one with the child and most typically that is the person responsible for the disappearance. but has the divorce been signed yet? >> i know that misty was in our office today. we gave her the paper. she's no longer represented by anybody. she looked them over, she took them to a notary, brought them back signed. and they will be filed shortly. >> now, after the divorce is final, do you believe ronald cummings will have more to say to police? >> i don't believe so. i now that, you know, in all the times that we've met with law enforcement, which really hasn't been that many times, he's been forthright on the number of times he's called her, what the conversations were all about. so i don't think that he's really going to come out with any, you know, bombshell as to i

was holding this bag. >> you're seeing video of cummings and croslin's wedding from the nbc "today show." let's take a look at some of the inconsistencies in her story. norm, if you could pull that up for me. first of all, we know there were the inconsistencies about who was in bed that night. first of all, we hear that she's in bed with both children. later she says she was in bed with junior. then she finally said oh, the children were in two separate beds from her. she said she did laundry. no detergent in the home. claimed to be sleeping, but cops and cummings said that the beds were made when they got to the home. the timeframe in which she called cops, that's not correct -- that full screen is not correct. she didn't call the cops. cummings made her call the cops. she didn't voluntarily do that. why she went to the further bathroom away from the one right beside her bed. there are so many things that don't make sense. out to the lines, melody, ohio. hi, melody.

>> caller: nancy, you're beautiful as ever. >> thank you. >> caller: two quick comments, please. ronald's mother on the show made a comment about the taste of oxycontin being very sour and she couldn't imagine haleigh taking it. no, not if the child was forced to take it. if there was oxycontin in the home and was it the mother's? and my other question, when i look at the scene in the bedroom i see those air ducts on the floor. have those air ducts been searched for anything? thank you. >> good question. norm, let's pull up that video of our tour inside the home, including the bedroom from which haleigh went missing. to dr. gerald feigin, medical examiner, camden county, new jersey. dr. feigin, thank you for being with us. norm, rewind that, if you could. i know it might be difficult. i saw those air ducts again. they didn't look very big but probably big enough for a child. what about the taste of

oxycontin? i don't know, i've never had one. >> i haven't either. but you can mask the taste of anything by mixing it with something sweet, for example. >> that's a good point. now, in these letters that popped up, ellie jostad, the writer said she accidentally, i believe, took oxycontin at a drug party. i still don't believe that theory, ellie, because you can't tell me a bunch of potheads sitting around at a party are going to keep their yaps shut for this long and not say haleigh was here, especially when there's a $30,000 to $70,000 reward hanging in the balance. >> right, and putnam county sheriff's office has sort of downplayed that letter. remember, it was written by a friend of misty croslin who is in jail right now. she claims she heard the information secondhand, she was writing a letter to her boyfriend about it. so police are saying take it easy on this letter. >> yeah, you know what, lawless, schneider, first to you, schneider, you've got to take every letter you get from the jailhouse with a box of salt. yes/no? >> yeah. no question about it.

and everyone -- most people in jail have a motive. i'm a defense attorney. i get all kinds of letters from jail with agendas, and i never trust them. >> oh, yeah, lawless, i would even get faxes from the jail when i was a prosecutor. >> i would get phone calls from the jail when i was a prosecutor. people are looking for a get out of jail free card and that's probably what that letter was. >> john lucich, president of high-tech crime network, i don't understand why they're not getting pings on her cell phone to pinpoint where she was that night. what's the problem? >> the problem is she probably did have her cell phone off. that phone registers with the mtso, the mobile telephone switching office, as it moves around from cell site to cell site. they will be able to see where she was at any given time by looking at the records at each mtso. now, if that cell phone is off -- you know, there have been so many cases out there where people know about cell phones, that she probably did turn it off for this case. >> to marc klaas, founder of klaaskids foundation, hey, marc, as an aside, isn't it true you can now put a chip in your kid's cell phone and turn on your

computer and actually see where they are? have you heard about that? >> you don't have to put a chip in your kid's cell phone. the vast majority of cell phones come gps enabled and the vast majority, or the major cell phone carriers have a pretty low-cost and quite effective child locator plan where you can go on to the internet and do certain things. you can have a bread crumb feature that lets you follow the history of where the child is and where they're going, it gives you a panic button and also provides you with geofencing so you're able to create a barrier, if the child goes outside that barrier, wherever it is, you will be notified. it's a marvelous system, i think. >> marc klaas, as usual you're an encyclopedia. to the lines. linda, hain hain. >> caller: how are you? >> i'm good, dear. what's your question? >> caller: i was wanting to know have they investigated if anything happened before ronald went to work?

>> good question. to marlaina schiavo, i believe they have accounted for her time up until the time he went to work. and what about those air ducts? let's go back to melody's question also. >> as far as the air ducts, yes, nancy, investigators have searched the entire home. and as far as what happened leading up to ronald going to work, there were arguments. they accounted for her time. they knew where she was. and she was definitely home with haleigh. and there was an argument that happened before he left for work. >> and what about cummings? was he accounted for at the last sighting of haleigh? >> absolutely. absolutely. >> got it. >> yes, he picked up his child. >> there you see why defense attorneys tell you don't talk, much less on national tv. every one of her renegade theories have been shot down. misty croslin taking to the airwaves to declare her innocence. very quickly, to tonight's safety tip. road rage. all too common for drivers to

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law enforcement has issued missing child alert for not one, not two, but three brothers and sisters. police say 13-year-old janet villanuva took her 7-year-old twin brothers for a walk sunday evening. but they never came back. mom and dad call police after they couldn't find the kids. the children possibly last seen at the blue ridge shopping center, where a local carnival is going on. tonight police need your help. >> our investigators have been knocking on doors, running down

leads. the school system is out for fall break right now. so that does make things a little more difficult. because the children aren't in school. again, they're out talking to classmates and just trying to run down possibly where they could be. we are asking the public's help. if somebody saw something or possibly saw one of these children to give us a call. >> a 13-year-old girl and her 7-year-old twin brothers are missing after they disappeared, possibly at a local shopping center. that shopping center hosting a carnival. georgia police issuing missing children's alerts in the attempt to locate 13-year-old janet and 7-year-old twin brothers alexander and alexis villanuva. the 13-year-old girl taking a walk with her brothers, and they never came back. frantic parents calling the cops hours later. just how do three children vanish? >> straight out to matt zarrell. matt, what's the background on this? >> well, apparently, 13-year-old

janet took the twin boys for a walk around 6:00 p.m. on sunday. now, they were possibly seen at a carnival at a local shopping center later that day. the parents waited eight hours after searching, called cops, and we're learning that there may be news coming in soon, nancy. >> okay. wait a minute. what kind of carnival? what are you talking about? how far away was it from the home? >> the carnival was about a mile, mile and a half from the home. they would have had to walk through a wooded area and back roads to get to it. it's a carnival that takes place in the parking lot of a shopping center. >> they go for a walk in the neighborhood and they end up nearly two miles away at a carnival? was there a sighting there? >> cops believe they were possibly sighted in the area, but no one had saw them officially except for 6:00 p.m., when the three of them left the home sunday night. >> i'm hearing in my ear with me right now eric jens, wrga radio. eric, what's the latest? >> yes. thank you, nancy. we do have some breaking news on this story. all three children have now been found. the two twin boys have been

reunited with their parents. the 13-year-old, janet, has been taken to northeast georgia medical center, where she'll be medically cleared there. >> wait. the 13-year-old is in a medical center? >> yes. and we don't know the details surrounding that other than that a hall county juvenile court judge has issued a detention order, which needs to be evaluated at that hospital. and again, anything more detailed beyond that would be speculation at this point. they were just found moments ago. about four to five miles away from their residence. >> joining me right now, chief frank hooper. he is the chief of police in gainesville. chief, it's a pleasure to have you on with us. where were they found, chief? >> thank you, nancy. we found them here locally in town probably about -- it was about four to five miles from their residence. it was in an area of town here that's predominantly a hispanic community, and we were able to follow up on leads. our investigators had really been working on this case ever

since 2:00 a.m. yesterday, when the parents first reported these children missing -- >> holy moly. 2:00 a.m. on sunday morning? >> yes, ma'am. >> so it took eight hours for the parents to report them missing. they were doing their own search during that time, correct? >> yes. that's apparently what happened. the children were last seen by the parents about 6:00 p.m. there at the home. she was taking the two brothers, who were 7-year-old twins, she said, for a walk. and they never returned. and of course, the parents looked for them but they didn't notify us until 2:00 a.m. sunday morning. >> chief hooper, chief frank hooper is with us from gainesville. chief, you said they were about five miles away. where? >> it was at a residence. >> what in the world were they doing five -- was it a family friend? five miles away at the residence, somebody didn't think to call the parents? >> no, ma'am.

it would appear that they had friends at this location. and our investigators most of the day were pretty close behind these kids, and it looks like when they were spotted at this carnival last night, this was before they'd even been reported missing. so had we gotten the report earlier, that's a lead we could have followed up on immediately. we weren't able to follow up on that lead. and sometime around midnight it would appear the kids kind of went to ground at a residence somewhere and didn't resurface until later on today. and we developed additional leads that we could follow up. >> chief hooper, how'd you do it? how did you find them? >> well, just good hard old-fashioned police work. like i said, we dedicated about four to five investigators and of course a lot of patrolmen to this case and diverted them. they were out knocking on doors in neighborhoods. and our school system here is out on fall break. so we had to basically go knock on doors and try to identify friends -- >> i heard all about fall break. it used to be columbus day. chief frank hooper, you know,

this happens so rarely that we have a miracle like this. marc klaas, weigh in. >> well, kudos to the chief and his investigators for taking this seriously and doing what they needed to do. now, in hindsight i think the parents -- what parents need to understand is that time is the enemy in all of these cases. 74% of children that are murdered as a result of an abduction are murdered within the first three hours. therefore, it's incumbent upon them to know who their kids' friends are, to know the routes that they use, and to make that search very, very quickly. and if they don't recover the kids very quickly, then get a hold of law enforcement and let them do what the chief and his people did so well, which is go out, find the kids. as the chief said, they could have found them at the carnival and resolved this much more quickly and resolve these things and bring these happy endings along. now, i would also suggest that if parents are going to send three young children like that

out for a walk the 13-year-old should have an open, on cell phone for all of the reasons we've spoken about earlier and also so that the parents can simply call them and say, where are you, should it get too dark. >> chief cooper is joining us. chief, why is the 13-year-old girl in the hospital? >> she was taken to the northeast medical center to be medically cleared. also she had a history, we have investigated as a run away. we were concerned about that and her two 7-year-old twin brothers ramped things up. >> it's a miracle. these three have been gone and missing since sunday and they have been found. thank you so much. to you, eric. thank you. as we go to break, thank you for your thoughts and prayers for our friend, felony prosecutor eleanor odom.

she was out, working out and thought she had heartburn and went to the doctor and they didn't let her go home. she completed surgery like a champ and she is on the mend. i took her a casserole today. knocking on doors and running down leads.

knocking on doors and running down leads. the school system is out for fall break right now and that does make things more difficult. they are outlooking and talking to classmates and learn where these children can be. >> law enforcement issued missing child alerts for not one, not two, but three brothers and sisters. 13-year-old janet took her 7-year-old twin brothers for a walk sunday evening and they never came back. mom and dad called police after they couldn't find the kids. the children, possibly last seen

at the shopping center where a local carnival is going on. tonight police need your help. >> janet is age 13 and alexander and alexis are twin brothers and have been found. hi, sherry. >> caller: how are you? >> i'm good, dear. what's your question? >> caller: i want to say my thoughts and prayers go to your mother. we watch every night and my husband loves you. >> thank you so much. >> caller: we have been trying for so long. where were the parents at? if the girl was a run away, why would they let her take the two babies by herself? >> what about it? >> that's obviously a judgment question and in hindsight an ill-advised decision. it gives them permission to all three leads, but obviously it doesn't seem like it was a good call. all three are now back and hopefully lesson learned.

>> to chief frank cooper, what about it? >> that's a question that will be asked as we complete our investigation. one thing we can't say enough about, we activated the child missing program last night. a phone system that calls residents in the neighborhood and lets them know the children are missing and gives a description. that helps to develop leads and that's a great system. we appreciate you getting the word out. folks don't forget about the victims as long as they have a voice. >> chief, i appreciate that and god bless the children and chief, thank you for what you and your force did in finding these children alive. everyone, let's stop and remember air force senior airman aft on goodman. our family's third generation

female to serve in afghanistan where she mentored local women. she loved writing, social development, photography, animals and dreamed of being a veterinarian and leaves behind parents and four sisters. american hero. thanks to our guests and especially to you for being with us. until then, good night, friend. >> this is a "showbiz tonight" news break. here's some of what we have been covering. jon gosselin's new claim that kate took more than $1 million out of their bank account and is demanding spousal support. romance controversy and jimmy kimmel is dating a coworker. is it okay to date your boss? that is your news break, tv's most provocative news show at

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