the first image of a grown-up jaycee dugard just released. we know the story, kidnapped at age 11 and telling the horrifying tale 18 years of captivity, rape, gave birth to two kids. now she's free and celebrated her joy with the world. we will show you the picture of a smiling, victorious jaycee. that's coming up. plus, what a brave battle for this woman, stage four cancer, husband lost his job. they are behind in their bills. the power company sent a notice to cut off their electricity. she needs a machine to help her breathe and it runs on electricity. it is her lifeline.

we'll take your calls on these topics and love hearing from you 1-877-tell-hln. shoot us an e-mail cnn.com or text us at hln tv. all you have to do is start your message with the word "prime." your chance to be heard. welcome. this is "prime newsnos. this just into to us today a never-before-seen picture of jaycee dugard. look at that. she's joyful and will be on the cover of "people" magazine friday. she's vibrant. it is amazing when you consider what has happened to her, what she's been through. held captive 18 years. raped. had two kids by her alleged abductor phillip garrido, clearly has come so far so soon. here's erica schulte, spokeswoman for the family talking about the miraculous story on the nbc "today show." >> i have seen a family that i think, if you didn't know the

circumstances, it would just seem like any other family, just, you know, the love between jaycee and her mother and, you know, her sister, sheena, an infant really when she was taken and they have just formed a very, very close bond and to see them all embrace jaycee's daughters and the five of them are just very close and comfortable and happy, you know, they kind of tease each other sometimes. and, you know, sometimes there's differences of opinion. it's just a really, seems like such a normal family. >> amazing to hear that word "normal" when talking about this. when you are talking about this reunification of a family. we'll take your calls 1-877-tell-hln's the number. joining us to talk about dr. janet taylor, psychiatrist, also robin sachs, author of "predators and child molesters" ladies. let me start by reading the statement from jaycee and we'll pick it up from there, again a great statement. she writes i am so happy to be back with my family.

nothing is more important than the unconditional love and support i have from them. janet, starting with you, are you surprised how well this family seems to be doing, as they reintroduce themselves to each other and for some for a first time? >> absolutely surprised but, also, happy. i was shocked to see that smiling picture of jaycee but i think it really speaks to how close she was with her family before this happened and her words, i'm so happy to be back, which means she never forgot where she came from, which i'm sure to be back home is such a relief for her and her family. >> is this the norm, janet, i'll stay with you then go to robin, or is this -- i mean, it doesn't sound like you had this uncomfortable reunion. it sound like there was joy and tears and emotions and hugs, what you would hope for, anyway. >> well, certainly. i mean from something like this where someone's been away from their family for 18 years. unfortunately, there is not enough of a precedent to say it's normal. but if you look at other people in captivity, certainly hostages there's a long adjustment period buff certainly they're happy to

be home. >> robin, let me get just your initial feelings on this. you have fought for victims and people like jaycee. as you see her smiling face and hear her story, just your thoughts. >> well, i think terri probin is doing exactly what we want people to do, thinking about the best interests of the child, we have jaycee and terry dictating the terms of how this is played out. prv >> janet, that's so important, they are calling the shots all about timing and they are running the clock, which is good? >> they are but it is going to be a long clock. this is going to be a long process and i don't think we can fooled by just a smiling tick tour. there's a lot of work going on behind the scenes and a lot of psychological work that will continue to need to be done. >> to your point, janet, be honest, this is a long road and

not just jaycee being reunited with her mom you have, as we mentioned jaycee, her mom, her sister, then jaycee's two kids fathered allegedly by phillip ga ree do. you are talking about five people coming together so. far so good i want to listen to david kaplan from "people" magazine. they have had access talking about that, yeah, so far so good but there are some wounds. let's listen. >> she's definitely gone through a lot and, you know, the family is saying there really is a lot of emotional sort of scarring, even though she looks great and she's sort of, you know, on the surface seems to have her stuff together, there's still a lot they need to work on and, also, i should add a huge aspect is her bonding with her sister, a toddler when she was taken. >> good points there. janet, how much more difficult is it when you are talking about, again, all the players here? again, so far so good, though. >> as long as everybody's on the same page and sounds like one of the pages is getting jaycee healthy enough to testify which

is important but also just reconnecting but just from the surface i think they've done everything right and integrated the right a. counselors and social work and legal help and really said, we are all going to get through this together, which is so key. >> is the number one relationship that has to be solidified here jaycee and her mom to set the tone for everybody else? >> there are multiple relationships,s there's jaycee and her mom, jaycee and her step-father, no longer in the picture and jaycee and her children, in terms of now she's got grandparents and an aunt who's integrated and raising her children. so, there's multiple relationships. >> a lot has been made of -- we've heard anyway there's a lot of affection going on between jaycee and her mom, that's a good thing. and, janet, i'll stay with you, what about, i mean this is a brand new relationship with her sister. is there an excitement to that, or apprehension as this goes forward, how do you see this playing out? >> i can only see excitement.

the comments early on she was excited to get to know her sister and as she was growing up because jaycee was missing she felt neglected to a sense and together they can both build new bonds and certainly get to know each other and shaina is probably getting to know her moner in a different lilght, as well. >> let's talk about her for a minute. how must it be for her to all of a sudden, i mean, it's a joyous thing you get your sister back and are an aunt, as well. is it overwhelming for her, do you think, at this point? >> well, from her comment she seems like an open, mature individual who, i think again is taking this step by step and they are all getting to know each other in the process, almost like a rebirth, so to speak but instead of an infant you have adults but again doing it carefully and monitoring and seems like they are doing it all the right way. but it will be a long road. >> we'll continue our conversation. we'll ask robin about jaycee talking to investigators, when will the timing be right for that and we'll take your calls.

you know the number, 1-877-tell-hln. as we look at a smiling jaycee dugard.

it's pretty, young, innocent child and you may like her but we love her, too. and it's time that she comes home to her family. >> that was jaycee's mom terry probyn in 1991 when she first went missing. you could feel and hear the emotion in her voice then. we're talking about the reunion of this family, how they are

reacclimating to themselves and society, at some point. so far so good, hearing great reports and seeing the first picture of jaycee as a 29-year-old young woman. she looks great, vibrant young woman. there's the picture will be on the cover of "people" magazine this friday. so far so good, great to report that. we are taking your calls 1-877-tell-hln. i want to read a facebook comments. we get a lot of them on this topic. jamey writing this jaycee's story gives me hope such a beautiful woman, strong and brave, you go, girl. my mom disappeared christmas 1988, seeing jaycee and her story keeps hope alive in my heart. we keep hoping, jamie, miracles certainly happen. to the phones, nicola with us from georgia. hi your thoughts or question. >> caller: -- i suffered child abuse many years, sexual abuse. we survive, we do what we need to to survive and it's a control

thing with the people that do this and i'm glad that jaycee's getting therapy. >> nicola, is her story an inspiration to you as you see her and her smiling face today? >> caller: yes, it gives me hope. i just wish that in georgia there was somewhere we could get therapy for it. there isn't but i wish her luck and i, you know, i think she's done really well. >> thanks for the call and thanks for sharing your story. robin sachs, want to bring her back, fought for victims like nicola and jaycee. do you see this as an inspiration to those hurt in ways we can't even imagine? >> oh, yes. i am so happy to see that the silver lining of this case, if you will, that jaycee can be the inspiration to so many people who suffer in silence there. are millions and millions of sexual abuse who don't get the media attention it's gotten in this case but who sit there and suffer quietly there. are resources and hopefully people will reach out and start

talking about it, just as we talk about any other of the growing epidemics in today's society. >> it is such an inspiration. we are finding out jaycee is not looking back any more than she has to but looking forward, excited about the future. part of what's going on now, what we gather from the "people" magazine article, the five, jaycee, her mom, her sister two, daughters riding horseback together. janet explain that to us. horseback therapy. how does that work and how does that help reunify a family here? >> well, there's a lot of benefits in terms of being able to tame your fears to be in touch with necessarily what you can't say and really utilize your emotional ques to get the horses to do what they want which can be helpful in terms of especially jaycee's younger daughters talking about how they feel and again a group activity so you get that built-in support and sense of accomplishment. >> i could imagine a bond can, as well. let's listen one more time david caplan, "people" magazine how

they are recuperating here. let's give it a listen. >> jaycee and her daughters, as well, are doing a lot of horseback riding, horseback riding, as we know is a very common form of therapy, right now that's what they are doing, spending a lot of time secluded with her family in northern california. right now, there's really no timetable of when they are sort of going to come back into mainstream society, they say. >> okay. i know that's a question many of us have. we'll pick that up after the break. it could be months. we don't know. we'll talk to janet about that, a timeline, jaycee, her daughters could be reaccli platplatreacclimateed into society. we'll take your calls, as well, 1-877-tell-hln.

kel -- welcome back to "prime news." a 17-year-old girl converts to christianity and is sent back to the state she ran away from. her claim her muslim father will kill her because of her change of faith, we'll update you on that story and take your calls 1-877-tell-hln. want to hear from you on this story, as well. we continue to talk about jaycee dugard and so far so good. an amazing in her recovery and reunifying with her mom, sister and having her two daughters in the mix, as well. here's what sandy writes on facebook. jaycee dugard and elizabeth smart are fine examples to all of us. they show no matter what happens

to us we decide what kind of person we will be. we know elizabeth smart back in the news recently testified against her abductor. now, jaycee dugard at some point will have to do the same, robin, it sounds like we hear she's ready in working with victims like her, how do you know when someone is prepared for something like this? >> well, what probably happened at the beginning of this case, which is the gold standard in terms of child sexual assault prosecution is working with a multi-disciplinary team, investigators, prosecutors, victims' advocatess social workers all working together with the same goal of not only prosecuting the perpetrators in the case but assessing when is the best time, should the victims testify, which people should play a role and the first hearing that we're going to have in this case would be a preliminary hearing and it would be likely that jaycee would testify if she was ready and able. >> let's listen to her alleged abductor, phillip garrido. this is what she'll be dealing with, who she'll be looking at once again, phillip garrido,

right after we found jaycee. let's listen. >> you're going to find the most powerful story coming from the witness -- from the victim. you wait. if you take this a step at a time, you're going to fall over backwards and, in the end, you're going to find the most pow powerful heart-warming story. >> that's what we're dealing with here. back to janet taylor, with someone like jaycee, will there be a part of her that wants to testify to nail this guy in court? >> i think he said it best, she is the victim but most importantly a witness and will be empowered as a witness. hope fleer her therapy will enable her to see herself as someone who can take control and put this man behind bars as a witness and not as a victim. >> let's get a call in. kim is with us in florida. a comment or question here. >> caller: hi, mike. >> hi, kim. >> caller: i listen to you every day i work in the court system here in palm beach county, florida and i'm an incest victim. and this is just a remarkable

story. we do not get to see the results, the end results of a case like this, where you find somebody, you know, after all these years. i know that she's going to have tremendous, you know, mountains to climb to get past it. but, you know, you look at her face and, um, there's this glow about her. >> yeah. >> caller: and i know that, you know, in my heart, because i've been through, you know, something in my past, you know, you're able to get past it. that's the point. >> yeah. >> caller: and i don't know how long it will take her, but i'm just -- i am just so thrilled for this, you know, this result. >> kim, it sounds like it. it sounds like you have a glow about yourself, as well. thanks for watching. thanks for calling in. want to read one more facebook comment from salina, echoing that, what an amazing and strong woman.

she's going to be such a fine example for other survivors out there so fitting right in with what kim is talking about. janet, what is next? i guess just we continue to work slowly with jaycee and all involved, right? it's all about taking this one step at a time. >> absolutely. there is no timetable. she was held for 18 years and potentially, i mean, it could take that long before she feels normal again. but, the key is all the survivors have been calling in and saying is she can share her story, she's not alone. people who -- women and men victims of sexual abuse need to know there are resources out there, you do not have to suffer in silence. the more people we can bring to bars, behind the criminal justice system who prey on young girls and boys, the better. >> yes, well put. robin, i know you echo that, as well. we appreciate it. coming up, a woman fighting cancer, stage four on the brink of death. gets of a notice, her power's going to be turned off? 

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. a teen who converted to christianity and ran away to florida must now return to her home state of ohio. florida judge made that ruling yesterday. we follow this story and continue to do so. she's 17 and she's terrified her muslim parents, i.e., her father is upset and will kill her that's what she is believing her for converting to christianity. a judge in florida says ohio has jurisdiction over the case and must go back but when she does she'll be put in foster care. still coming at it from the 17-year-old's point of view has to be terrifying if you believe you are in danger. here she is right after she ran

away a couple months ago. >> they have to kill me. my blood is now halal which means because i'm now a christian and from a muslim background it's an honor, if they love godmother than me they have to do this and i'm fighting for my life. you guys don't understand. they don't understand. >> that again, rifqa a couple months ago. we'll get everybody called up what's happened since and take your calls 1-877-tell-hln's the number. joining me to talk about meredith hagly. and julia morrow, former prosecutor. meredith, first off why is this case moving? is the florida judge saying all is well or is this a jurisdictional issue? >> it is a jurisdictional issue. she ran away from florida and taken into custody by children services there but the attorneys for her parents up here in ohio

have said all along it doesn't make sense for the case to be down there. she's an ohio girl. jurisdiction needs to be in ohio. the judge down there said we can't have jurisdiction in ohio. there is no case up there. now there, is a dependency case up here to determine where rifqa should live and a judge in ohio and florida both decided the ohio girl's case should be decided in ohio. >> okay. at the part of this, meredith, the investigations to find out whether or not there are claims and whether or not these threats are real, right? >> yes. >> where do you investigations stand whether or not her father, indeed, really threatened her? soinchts f >> so far the only agency that will say explicitly they conducted an investigation the florida department of law enforcement and came out and said they found in credible threats to rifqa from her fam ther or the community in columbus and children's services in columbus, they haven't acknowledged they have done an investigation but they have said

they have no reason to believe she's not safe at least returning to the state. >> okay. so, a bit earlier we heard from rifqa a couple months ago, fearful, fearing for her life. let's listen to her father speaking with our sister network cnn recently. let's listen to that. >> your daughter says at one point you held up a laptop and said i'm going to kill you. >> it's not at all true. it's not at all true. >> let's bring in julia morrow. we've heard from rifqa and her father. how do you sort this out. it's her word against his at this point talking about an investigation? >> mike, i honestly think this young lady is quite the drama queen. she needs to stop it already and go home. she's crying out for attention. all of her allegations proved false. it's not just a he said/she said. for instance one of the allegations she made was that she's americanized, she's a cheerleader and her family, you know, refused to acknowledge and respect the fact she wanted to be a cheerleader meanwhile they had pictures of her in her

cheerleading uniform prominently displayed at the house. everything this girl has said has proven false. the only thing they ever found in terms of abuse or anything even close to it was the dad throwing the laptop. he admitted throwing it but not threatening to kill her. there is no reason why this girl, that these investigations are even continuing at this point. and, as a result of her hi jinx, mike, the family is in danger of being deported back to sri lanka because their immigration status has been called into question. >> you hit on a lot there. back to meredith on that, the immigration front. what do we know? the judge in florida before she's moved wants to see papers here, right? what are the details of that, meredith? >> yes. as far as the immigration status goes, what we know, we don't know very much. we know that the family came from sri lanka. we know rifqa was born there. i talked to immigration officials. nobody's going to talk to us about a specific case. all the attorneys are under a gag order. so, we don't know her status.

we don't know if she's a citizen or if she's here legally. an attorney in florida, who is her guardian ad litem did say during the hearing yesterday there is a chance she is not here legally but we really don't know wang that's why the judge wants to find out before she crosses state lines because he doesn't want to cause all those problems -- >> what are the odds she debts deported as they plays out and we get this wrinkle in the story? >> i have no idea. >> okay. >> i asked an immigration official that question and they wouldn't even touch it. i think we are getting ahead of ourselves there, but -- >> obviously, it is something to hit on. guys, let's take a quick break. coming up, someone from the islam community talking about rifqa's flight and how this should play out from a different angle. we want to hear from you. call in on this topic, the number 1-877-tell-hln.

on hln, continuing to cover this story for you, our conversation surrounding now rirve kwa bary. felt fearful for her life, said her father threatened to kill her as an honor killing. she ran off to florida and has been in foster case. a judge says this case has to go

back to ohio, where it stands now. we have our experts standing by. joining in on the conversation -- author of "standing alone in mecca an american's woman struggle for the soul of islam." zu sura, as you watch this play out, let's make this clear, investigations so far say this there is not a threat from her family but we still have her words. should she go back to the family, your thoughts on that first off? >> well, what's interesting to me is the reason why her story hits a cord and the reason why i think it hits a cord is because we've got this culture and ideology of intolerance inside the muslim world that people see in the headlines every day from church bombings in pakistan to converts to christianity arrested in afghanistan. and so, we don't know the truth, really, about what her family situation is. but, we do fear for this culture inside the community that sanctions violence against

girls, especially, if they go outside of the fray. and, you know, because otherwise, a 17-year-old drama queen, like that shouldn't be a headline. but this is because there is a real problem inside of our community that we're not dealing with. >> are you fearful for her safety maybe for the her family but someone watching this play out and doesn't like she's converted to christianity, doesn't like her story? >> honestly, i do believe that there is a concern there, because, you know, i'm sitting here right now -- from saudi arabia and it says really clearly there in their translation, god is on the straight way, not on the path of those who went astray such as the christians. this is an interpretation, you know, that's gotten out into the world that's preach the an ideology of intolerance. so, when you go to mecca, the holiest place in the muslim world there's an exit ramp and that exit ramp is for those people who are not muslim.

and so, there is an ideology that can breed violence, unfortunately. >> let's bring back meredith. faith and values of reporter from "columbus dispatch" covering this. has there been talk in the communities at all about concerns for her safety if she comes back to ohio? >> honestly, there hasn't been. >> okay. >> i think that there's a lot of concern just because she's become such a symbol. this whole thing has become so huge. but, i have not heard anything specific. no, she'll be in care of children's services. >> has there been a comment at all from the mosque her family attends? >> basically, they said they don't know this family very well. that the family does not go there very often and i think rifqa only went to religious school there a few times, is what they say. >> let's bring back julia, our attorney here. what about that? any safety concerns here, how do you -- how do you make sure she's going to be okay? you're not seeing any issue at this point, right, julia? >> no. in fact, i mean listen to what everyone is saying.

this girl has become a symbol. oh, well, that's nice. she's 17 years old and has two parents that love her very much and they want her back. why are these parents made to suffer. imagine how this family has been torn apart y. are they being made to suffer when there's nothing wrong that particular family unit? there might be something, you know ideologically speaking or in the big picture, but why is this girl being made a symbol of? why is this even allowed to just continue on? this entire saga. there's no safety concerns here. she's just, got just as good a chance hitting by a bus or picked up by a child molester on the street as she does by some honor killing from some stray muslim. i mean, it's ridiculous. >> you think she just made it up and, if so, why? >> because i think she's crying out for attention. she's rebelling against her parents. she's probably not crazy about the religion and, hey, that's okay. a lot of kids go through that. she gets friendly with these people on facebook, probably

overly aggressive, adults, that preacher couple in florida who she went to. they draw her in, it's the perfect opportunity to rebel and get attention and that's exactly what she did. >> okay. >> that's what i think happened here. >> okay. let's go back then we have to run. we have to make sure, though, she's safe. how do you do that with all these pieces, you have a 17-year-old against her parents and investigations that say there's no issue there. how do we sift through that? >> i'm a mom and am completely empathetic to the fact that, you know, this is probably a family struggle like many others and what we've got to do is make sure that, you know, the safety net that america's got in place, which, sadly, a lot of kids slip through, protects her. and, you know, tomorrow on the daily beast i'll write a column about the ideology we have to take care of inside our community that the muslims have to be responsible for and what we have now, the country, you know, here in america where we

don't have laws that condemn a girl for something like this. and that's where we have to come in as a state and then protect her, i think. >> okay. ladies, we have to leave it there. fascinating conversation. asra, jewel yeah, meredith, we appreciate it. more "prime news" coming up. stay with us.

welcome back. so many of you have been outraged by in next story, a man kills his ex-girlfriend, murders her a few feet from her 7-year-old daughter and leave as young girl without a mother. then he tries to kill himself, shoots himself in the face with a shotgun. he lives, his face as you can see is disfigured. he's disfigured and sent to prison. now the state of wisconsin says it will pay for his reconstructive surgeries, many expensive surgeries coming down.

the state says they are medically necessary. tell me what you are thinking, help us out here. this guy has lived seven years like this, he eats pureeed food. we wonder why this is medically necessary and taxpayers should have to foot the bill for these surgeries. we'll take your calls 1-877-tell-hln is the phone number. joining us now the victim's father, larry verby. first person who rushed to the scene and found his daughter there, also with us former prosecutor julia morrow. starting with larry. your reaction to this, the man who took your daughter's life is going to have a series of expensive surgeries and taxpayers are going to pay for it. >> well, it seems kind of absurd to me, you know, it's kind of a kick in the butt in our end of the deal, you know. he did it to himself. our feeling was that it's self-inflicted and he should live with it. >> and how did you find out

about this? did the department of corrections talk to you or did you just find out through news coverage. >> about a week ago, i do believe one of the local tv stations had caught wind of it and then called us wondering if we had found out anything about it. >> okay news coverage is how you found out about it. we reached out to the department of corrections there in wisconsin and here's what they are saying. federal and state confidentiality rules restrict what the wisconsin department of corrections can say about a particular inmate's medical care however the wisconsin department of correction only authorizes surgical procedures when they are deemed medically necessary. and, larry, i'm sure myself included many agree with you, that says unless this is life or death, the guy shouldn't have the surgery. is that where you're coming from, too, larry? >> that's where i'm coming from, yep. yep. >> larry, as we go through this, i'm sure a lot of people are

wondering, did you have any idea that this might happen, that he was angry with your daughter? >> not a clue. not a clue. they had been -- in fact, he had worked for me up to just the day before that. so, there was not an inkling that he was going to shoot her. >> her daughter, your granddaughter, did she witness it? >> she was -- yes, you might as well say, yes. >> close enough. >> close enough. she was within about -- on the other side of the wall, put it this way, about three feet away, yeah. >> how is she doing, by the way? >> well, it took a while for her to get, uh, kind of used to it. the nightmares were there for a long time. but now, she's -- she's doing pretty good. she still thinks a lot about it once in a while, has a dream about it yet. >> i'm sure. who's raising her? >> we are. >> you are?

>> yep. >> well, good job on that front. larry, has this gone down has he ever shown any remorse at all for what he did? >> none. >> none. >> none. did is this. >> none. >> did you ever get a motive for why he did what he did? >> the only thing is we could figure out is him and my daughter had gone together for six months or so, like that. they had known each other longer than that. and then my daughter just said that she didn't think things was going to work out. so they had a friendly split. and he couldn't -- i guess he couldn't take it, being rejected, i suppose, you'd call it. >> wow. >> but he had planned this for a long -- for quite a while. it finally came out after he went to jail, but, you know -- >> and larry, when you heard about the surgery, the surgeon riggs that were going to take place, did you try and fight it in any way? >> are we trying to fight it? >> yeah. >> well, of course.

we've called some congressmen and stuff like this. and we're trying to get it out in the media to let people know that this is kind of, in our idea, the wrong way to go about treating criminals. if it was a victim, i could see, yes. you know, we would all probably pitch in. >> exactly. that's the heart of this, that people are infewer yatd that tax dollars are going for this. unless it's a life or death situation. larry verby, thanks again. we wish you the best in raising your granddaughter and moving on with your life. we know it's difficult. we'll welcome in julia morrow to talk about why this is going on. and it gets back to the straight point, whether or not this is life or death for this guy. the tax dollars are going to go to a series of his surgeries. taking your calls u 1-877-tell-hln. they said it would never last.

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the first image of a grown-up jaycee dugard. it's just been released. we know the story, kidnapped at 11. 18 years in captivity, raped, gave birth to two kids. now she's celebrating her joy with the world. we'll show you the picture of a smiling, victorious jaycee dugard. plus this. what a battle for this brave woman. stage 4 cancer. her husband had lost his job. they're behind in their bills. now the power company sent them a notice they're going to cut off their electricity. mabel needs a machine to help her breathe. it runs on electricity. it's her lifeline. we'll take your calls on these topics. you know the number,

1-877-tell-hln. e-mail us at cnn.com/primenews. or text us at hlntv, just start your message with the word prime. it's your chance to be heard. it's your chance to be heard. jorks -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com welcome to hour number two of "prime news." never-before-seen, a picture of an adult jaycee dugard. she looks great. joyful, smiling face. you see it there. she's going to be on the cover of friday's "people" magazine. looking vibrant. it is amazing to consider what has happened to her. and this is the picture we get. we know the story. she was held captive for 18 years. raped, had two kids by her alleged abductor, phillip garrido. she's clearly come a long way, so far, so soon. here's erica schulte, spokeswoman for the family talking about this amazing story on nbc's "today" show. >> just forming a very close bond. to see them all embrace jaycee's

daughter. they're very close and comfortable. and happy. you know, they kind of tease each other sometimes. sometimes there's differences of opinion. it's just a really -- seems like such a normal family. >> normal. not the word we would expect this soon. but thankfully that's what we're hearing. we'll take your calls on this at 1-877-tell-hln. joining us to talk about this, betsy glick, executive editor at "people" magazine. also back with us, dr. janet taylor, psychiatrist. and robin sax. give us a thumbnail of what you were able to gather in this article, this fascinating article. but the headline really is, just how amazing they're doing, as they're starting a life anew again. >> absolutely. i mean, there's not only the picture that you see on the cover of "people," but there are many beautiful photos inside. and they are incredible. and jaycee wants the world to

know, as she said to us, i am so happy to be back with my family. she wants people to know that she's okay. that she's working on her recovery. and that there's hope out there. >> let me read her statement you've alluded to. i'm so happy to be back with my family. nothing is more important than the unconditional love and support i have from them. you hear that statement coupled out with the picture. let me ask you this, betsy. how did this come about? did they come to you and say, okay, jaycee's ready to have some of her story out there? >> yes. that's exactly what happened. as i'm sure you know, "people" magazine has a history of covering these stories. we covered jaycee's kidnapping in 1991. we had elizabeth smart on the cover last week. we have done a lot of work with the national center for missing and exploited children. we have a history of covering these stories accurately, fairly, professionally. and so we've been in contact with the family all along. and when they were ready, they came to us.

>> that seems to be such the key there. on their terms, on their timing. and that's the way it has gone. >> right. sxl let me bring janet in, dr. janet taylor, psychiatrist. let's get your reaction to seeing just this bright, shining face from jaycee. and to hear those words that we're hearing, normal, happy. it's more than we could have hoped, isn't it? >> absolutely. i was shocked to see such a happy, smiling face with bright eyes. i think, again, we have to be cautious about using the word normal because there's a long recovery. but paying attention to her words i'm so happy to be back with my family, she never forgot about her family which is critical in her recovery. >> robin, you've worked with victims. you've fought for victims. are you surprised that so -- it's so far, so good, especially after 18 years in captivity. >> well, very often we want to look at these awful, tragic circumstances, and think of awful, tragic results. but the truth is that there are survivors, and there are people

that can heal. and when you have the right teams of people and the right support, this is the best case scenario. this is exactly what we would hope. we would hope this would be the case in every case. so i'm not surprised, because i think she's in good hands. probably professionally, and personally with her family support. and kudos to her. >> exactly. let's get a call in. sherri's with us in alabama. sherri, your thoughts here? >> caller: hi. i'm so so happy for jaycee. we're all praying her healing will be a smooth one. i can't imagine that would be a nightmare for her. i hope they throw the book at those monsters for hurting her. there's no excuse for that type of evil. >> thanks for the call, sherri. let's go back to betsy editor for "people" magazine. we are so thrilled for this family. and we're all reveling in this story. talk about some of the challenges. we're not just talking about jaycee coming back with a mom, we've got a sister, and jaycee's two daughters. how are they working all that out? >> that's right.

jaycee is spending a lot of time with her half-sister, shana, who was just a toddler when jaycee was kidnapped. and apparently all of that is really special healing time. there's also the matter of her two young daughters. and some difficult conversations are going on in that house right now. somebody else said normal. they questioned the word normal. i would question that, too. this is a process. they have to talk about how these girls were allegedly conceived. and it's going to be a long road. >> do the daughters know phillip garrido is their father? >> they are having those conversations now. yeah. >> janet, that is -- i can't imagine that. how do you as a professional go about that? and how do you introduce such a disturbing topic that is going to just rock the world of these two young girls? >> they have lived their lives, and certainly even though socially they were working at

the print shop, i'm sure they have felt a certain amount of constriction and constraint. you're not really introducing anything new to them. what is new, however, is the public's picture of it. and just how intense everything must be. >> betsy, is there talk -- i thought the article said this, clarify this -- about the name change. the names, angel and starlet, 15 and 11, are they going to change the names? >> there is talk of that. i think, you know, they're being very cautious, rightly so, about revealing too much of what's going on with these girls. i mean, that would sort of be victimizing them all over again. we do have a photograph of jaycee with her daughters, but she did not want to show her daughters' faces at this time. and we have to really respect that. >> no, i think that's smart. janet, real quick on the name change, do you agree with that? do you think that would be a good idea moving forward? >> i think at this point whatever would make them feel like they're moving forward, as

long as it doesn't change who they are inside, the inside, even though things have possibly been done to them, certainly done to their mother, inside they still have high character and they don't adopt those qualities of what happened to them. >> we'll continue this conversation, talk about some of the therapy that's working. horseback therapy. working on a number of fronts. we'll talk about that and take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln.

this pretty, young, innocent child, and you may like her, but we love her, too. and it's time that she comes home to her family.

>> welcome back to "prime news" on hln. that was jaycee's mom right after jaycee went missing. you could hear the emotions then. couldn't even imagine the emotions that she is going through now, as a mom reunited with her daughter. also two granddaughters as we, of course, have come to find out. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. you know, this is a family coming together, trying to build bonds for the first time for jaycee and her mom. we have betsy gleick with "people" magazine. exclusive access on this story. we mentioned this before the break, about the horse therapy. how is that working and how is that working to build bonds with this family? >> well, jaycee and her family are staying in a secret location in california, and they're working with the therapist and one of the things that they are doing, as a family, along with the therapist, is a form of hoss therapy where they're going out on rides.

and i think what is happening is that these are people who just have to learn how to be together. so not only are they doing this horseback therapy, but they're just cooking family meals together, and talking, and kind of having quiet time. >> that's so good. i believe in the article it talked about jaycee's a pretty good cook. i think made a good meal that the mom liked. >> right. >> janet, how important is that, when you talk about just the little things? horseback riding together, cooking meals together, just talking. >> it's extremely important, because they're trying to make up for lost time. they're doing things as a family. certainly with horseback riding, it's a chance for all of them to level the playing field. doing a new activity together. with horses, you really rely on your sense of emotion and being able to convey in a way that's nonverbal, which can certainly help the younger girls be able to talk about how they feel. >> let's get a call in. frank's with us in florida. frank, your comment or question here? >> caller: hi, mike. my first thing to say is that

this is a miracle child, obviously jaycee as well as her children. i'm a physician. and i guess my question is medically, who delivered jaycee's two babies? were they delivered by these monsters who kidnapped them or were they delivered in a hospital? and if it was in a hospital, didn't the hospital ask questions like this looks like an odd family? >> good questions. betsy, you can help me out here. they never went to a doctor. they never went to a dentist, never west to school, right? these were delivered on the grounds at the home in antioch, right? >> that is my understanding. there's obviously a lot here that we don't know. it's clear from looking at these incredible photos that jaycee seems pretty healthy. so that's one of the mysteries here. >> yeah. exactly. so many questions out there. we're talking about horseback therapy. we also want to talk about these young girls, doing so well as far as their education. they never went to school.

but jaycee was not only able to fight through this as a victim, but fight for her daughters as a mom, and teach them. from what we're hearing as far as testing, these young girls, 5 and and -- 15 and 11, are pretty much on par. the resilience there is unbelievable. >> it clearly, during the time of captivity, she was 100% focused on not only her well-being, but at the time that the children were born, their well-being as well. and she probably poured her energy and heart and energy into raising them, instead of becoming and asserting herself as a victim, she took it ace a place of em bauerment and a place to take her skills and put that energy, perhaps that strength, and probably helping in her healing today. >> exactly. let's take a quick break. we'll have more of this coming up. we'll go back to robin and ask the question, how do you work with jaycee as far as testifying against phillip and nancy

garrido. we'll take more of your calls at 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. concerning jaycee dugard, our first look at jaycee dugard as an adult. "people" magazine, she's going to be on the cover on friday, saying she's so happy to be back with her family.

nothing more important than the unconditional love and support that i have for them. a quote from jaycee dugard. hearing that this family is doing so well. we have our experts standing by taking your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. gabriel is with us in florida. hi, gabriel, your thoughts here? >> caller: yes. actually it might be premature, but i also read she might be working on a book deal. the story is so compelling, the status of it. she does deserve to share her story. i'm a filmmaker and i think georgia fox is almost identical looking to how she looks right now and former time. from csi las vegas. she would be a great person to portray this story. i would love to have her show the world how strong she was. >> time will be the issue. that's a ways off. as far as a book, from what we're gathering from the "people" magazine arm, that it's her mom that i think is closer to writing the book. i think that's where we stand on that front. janet, what about that? we want her story out there in

full. but how important is it for the family to call the shots and really take baby steps in all this? >> it's extremely important. because they've been in a situation, jaycee and her daughters, where they were out of control. they were the ones that really need to be in control now. i think back to her mother, clearly jaycee, the fact that she's doing as well as she's doing now, is a testament to how she was raised from birth to 11, with a strong family. and as she said, unconditional love. >> yeah. let's bring back robin sax. robin, investigators. do you get anxious at this point that you want to talk to jaycee, but the investigators have to realize they have to be patient here? >> i want to comment on one thing that janet brought up about the whole book situation. in terms of the legal case, we as a prosecutor, i would never want jaycee to be in a position to writing anything in print right now, because anything that came in print could be -- find its way into a courtroom. that's probably another beneficial reason to taking time. but in terms of going to the investigators, she's probably talked to investigators already,

in the best practice standard, which is with a team of people subjecting her to only one interview, one stop shop, if you will, the investigators, prosecutors, social workers, shrinks, everyone comes together and asks one time all of the questions they need to get. this is a clean case, at least as to phillip garrido that you don't need her to say very much. >> is it just one person? or does everyone get to speak with her? >> if one person who is the forensic interviewer, the person who is the question asker, if you will. but in the one time where everybody would observe either watch behind a one-way mirror that she's aware of or in a room where she's able to state whatever she wants to state and all the necessary people can hear the comments. >> let's get another call in. debbie's with us in pennsylvania. debbie, your thoughts here? >> caller: hi. some -- one of my concerns, of course, are jaycee's children. and i guess my question is, was

she able to protect them from those monsters? and i'm sure that, you know, they're all getting help. but particularly her oldest daughter. any thoughts of -- any sexual assault there? >> from what we're gathering, we don't believe so. we don't believe so. but you make a point there about how protective she is. real quick, janet. that's natural, right? we're hearing from the "people" magazine article that jaycee's very protective of the two daughters. that's natural, and that's the way things are going to go moving forward, right? >> absolutely. i'm sure her instinct as a mother, even though she was a young mother kicked in. but in terms of any sexual abuse to the daughters, that's something we certainly don't know. and hope for the best. >> well put. ladies, thanks again. we appreciate it. coming up, a woman on the brink of death, stage 4 cancer, yet gets a notice from the power company, they're going to turn her power off. that's what she needs? we'll hear from her coming up.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. a teen who converted to christianity and ran away to florida must return to her home state of ohio. a florida judge made that ruling yesterday. we followed this story, we continue to do so for you. her name is rifqa bary. her muslim parents, i.e., her father is upset for converting to christianity. a judge in florida says ohio has jurisdiction over the case is she must go back. but when she does, she'll be put in foster care. if you come at it from the 17-year-old's point of view, it's got to be terrifying. here she is right after she ran away a couple of months ago. >> they have to kill me. my blood is now halal, which

means because i am now a christian, i'm from a muslim background, it's an honor, if they love god more than me, they have to do this. and i'm fighting for my life. you guys don't understand. and i -- they don't understand. >> that, again, rifqa a couple of months ago. we'll get everybody caught up since. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. joining me to talk about it, columbus dispatch following this one. and julia morrow, former prosecutor. meredith, first off, why is this case moving? is florida judge saying all's well at home or is this a jurisdictional issue? >> it is definitely a jurisdictional issue. rifqa, of course, ran away to florida and she was taken into custody in florida by children services there. but the attorneys for her parents appear in ohio have been saying all along it doesn't make

sense for the case to be down there. she's an ohio girl. jurisdiction needs to be in ohio. the judge down there said we can't have jurisdiction in ohio, there's no case up there. now there is. there's a dependency case up here to determine where rifqa should live. and a judge in ohio and in florida decided that the ohio girl's case should be decided in ohio. >> at the heart of this, meredith, is the investigations to find out whether or not there are claims -- whether or not these threats are real. right? where do the investigations stand right now as far as whether or not her father really indeed threatened her? >> so far the only agency that will say explicitly that they conducted the investigation is the florida department of law enforcement. they found no credible threats to rifqa from her father or from the community in columbus. and also, children services up here in columbus, they haven't admit that -- or acknowledged that they've done an investigation, but they have said they have no reason to believe she's not safe at least

returning to the state. >> a little bit earlier we heard from rifqa a couple of months ago, fearing for her life. let's listen now to her father speaking with our sister network, cnn recently. let's listen to that. >> your daughter says that at one point you held up a laptop and said, i'm going to kill you. >> that's not at all true. it's not at all true. >> let's bring in julia morrow. we've heard from rifqa, heard from her father. how do you sort this out, because it's her word against his at this point? >> mike, i honestly think that this young lady is quite the drama queen. she needs to stop it already, and go home. she's crying out for attention. all of her allegations proved false. it's not just a he said/she said. for instance, one of the allegations she made is she's americanized, a cheerleader, and her family, you know, refused to acknowledge and respect the fact that she wanted to be a cheerleader. meanwhile they had pictures of her in her cheerleading uniform,

prominently displayed at the house. everything this girl has said has proven false. the only thing they ever found in terms of abuse or anything even close to it was the dad throwing the laptop. he admitted to throwing it. but he did not admit to threatening to kill her. there's no reason why this girl, that these investigations are even continuing at this point. and as a result of her hi jinx, mike, the whole family is in danger of being deported back to sri lanka, because their immigration status has been called into question. >> let's go back to meredith on that, the immigration front. the judge in florida, before she's moved, wants to see some papers here, right? what are the details of that? >> as far as the immigration status goes, we don't know very much. we know that the family came from sri lanka. we know that rifqa was born in sri lanka. i talked to immigration officials. nobody's going to talk to us about a specific case. all the attorneys are under a gag order. so we don't know her status. we don't know if she's a citizen, we don't know if she's

here legally. an attorney in florida who is her guardian ad litem did say yesterday during the hearing that there's a chance that she is not here legally. but we really don't know. that's why the judge wants that sorted out before she crosses state lines, because he doesn't want to cause those kinds of problems on top of all the other problems. >> real quick here, what are the odds she gets deported? as this begins to play out, we begin to get this wrinkle in the story. >> i asked an immigration official that question and they wouldn't even touch it. i think we're getting ahead of ourselves there. >> i got you. obviously it's something to hit on. guys, let's take a quick break. coming up, some from the islam community talking about rifqa's plight and how this should play out from a different angle. call in on this topic, 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. our conversation surrounding now rifqa, converted from islam to christianity. when she did, when we heard her a little bit earlier, said her father threatened to kill her, honor killing. she runs off to florida, a couple of pastors took her in there. she's been in foster care. a judge in florida said this case has got to go back to ohio. that's where it stands now. we have our experts standing by. joining in on the conversation,

author of the book "standing alone in mecca, an american woman's struggle for the soul of islam. "as you watch this play out, you know, let's make this clear, investigation so far says no, there was not a threat. there is no threat from her family. we still have the words of rifqa. should she go back to the family? your thoughts on that first off. >> what's interesting to me is the reason why her story hit the court and the reason why i think it hit the court is because we've got this culture and ideology of intoll rans inside the muslim world that people see in the headlines every day, from church bombings in pakistan, to converts to christianity being arrested in afghanistan. and so we don't know the truth, really, about what her family situation is. but we do fear for this culture inside the community, that sanctions violence against girls, especially if they go outside of the fray.

because otherwise, a 17-year-old drama queen, right, that shouldn't be a headline. but this is because there is a real problem inside of our community that we're not dealing with. >> are you fearful for her safety? maybe not from her family, but from someone who's watching this play out who doesn't like that she's converted to christianity, doesn't like her story? >> honestly, i do believe that there is a concern there. because, you know, i'm sitting here right now with a copy of the koran from saudi arabia, and it says clearly in their translation, guidance on the straight way, not on the path of those who went astray. such as the christians. this is a saudi interpretation, that god, out into the world, that preached ideology of intolerance. when you go to mecca, the holiest place in the muslim world, there's an exit ramp, for those people who are not muslim. so there is an ideology that can breed violence, unfortunately.

>> let's bring back meredith, faith and values reporter of the columbus dispatch covering this. meredith, has there been talk in the columbus community at all about concerns for her safety if she comes back to ohio? >> honestly there hasn't been. i think that there's a lot of concern just because she's become such a symbol. this whole thing has become so huge. but i have not heard anything specific, no. she'll be in care of children's services. >> has there been a comment at all from the mosque her family atends? >> they said they don't know this family very well, that the family does not go there very often. i think rifqa only went to religious school there a few times. is what they said. >> got you. let's bring back julia morrow, our attorney here. julia, what about that, any safety concerns here? how do you make sure that she's going to be okay? you're not seeing any issue at this point, right, julia? >> no. in fact, listen to what everyone's saying. this girl has become a symbol. well, that's nice. she's 17 years old and she has

two parents who love her very much and they want her back. why are these parents being made to suffer? imagine, how this family has been torn apart, why are they made to suffer when there's nothing wrong with that particular family unit? there might be something, you know, ideologically speaking, but why is this even allowed to just continue on. this entire saga. there's no safety concerns here. she's just -- got just as good of a chance of getting hit by a bus or picked up by a child molester on the street as she does by some honor killing from some stray muslim. it's ridiculous. >> so you don't believe -- you think she made it up, julia? and if so, why? >> because this is why. because i think she's crying out for attention. she's rebelling against her parents. she's probably not crazy about the religion and hey, that's okay of the a lot of kids go through that. so she gets friendly with these people on facebook. they were probably overly aggressive. they were adults, that preacher couple down in florida who she

went to. they draw her in. it's the perfect opportunity to rebel and get attention. and that's exactly what she did. that's what i think happened here. >> okay. let's go back to asra, and then we've got to run. we have to make sure, though, that she is safe. and how do you do that with all these pieces that -- you have a 17-year-old against her parents. and investigations that say there's no issue there. how do we sift through that? >> i'm a mom and i completely am empathetic to the fact that this is probably a family struggle, like many others. and what we've got to do is make sure that the safety net that america has got in place, which sadly a lot of kids slip through, protects her. and tomorrow on the daily beat, i'm going to write a column about the ideology that we've got to take care of inside of our communities, that rt muslims have to be responsible for. what we have now is the country, you know, here in america, where we don't have laws that condemn a girl for something like this. and that's where we have to come

in as a state and then protect her, i think. >> okay. ladies, we have to leave it there. fascinating conversation. asra, julia, meredith, we appreciate it.

welcome back. how did we get to this point, where a 15-year-old is set on fire. five teens, accused of doing this. it is heinous. michael brewer fighting for his life. he has second-degree burns over 80% of his body. could be in the hospital for up to five months. police in deerfield beach, florida, say they threw a jug of rubbing alcohol on him and used a lighter to set him on fire. a couple reportedly laughed about it. this apparently started over a video game, he owed one of the kids 40 bucks. makes you wonder, are kids more ruthless than ever, more violent than ever?

we'll take your calls on this, want to hear from you, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. we want to bring in jane velez-mitchell, host of "issues" with jane velez-mitchell. also with us, dr. janet taylor, psychiatrist. jane, i'll start with you. how have we gotten to this place, where a group of teens are going to set a 15-year-old on fire? and then reportedly laugh about it, a couple of them? >> i am left speechless by this case, mike. this young man, handsome young man, had to be put into a medically induced coma. that's how painful his injuries were. it was so painful, that when it happened, he raced to a swimming pool and threw himself in, because he was in agonizing pain. and yes, there are nevertheless reports that the kids who did this allegedly were laughing about it. there's a total disconnect between one's actions and the repercussions. there seems to be sadism and cruelty here. my question is, what values, if

any, are these children being taught. are they being taught right and wrong. we all had mischievous moments growing up. but this one catapults it into a new level, a kind of "lord of the flies" survival of the cruelest mentality out there with our young kids. and this kid who is the victim had an inkling that something like this could happen, because he didn't go to school. he was called a snitch. see, the values that the kids are learning are not values that apply to one's conscience. these are values of the street. to be a snitch is the worst thing you can be. and he snitched because they tried to steal his dad's bike. and that's why they came after him. he was afraid that they would, that's why he didn't go to school that day. so why are kids regarding snitches as the worst thing, why is that value, that perverted, twisted value now suddenly something that these kids are learning?

who's teaching him? who's teaching these kids that snitching is so bad, that you can set somebody on fire for? >> yeah. exactly. i'm speechless as well. we want to hear from you, the viewers, do you believe our kids are more violent than ever? let us know, call in, 1-877-tell-hln. dr. janet taylor, i'll ask you that question. do you believe our kids are more violent than ever? >> well, i think certainly in this day and age, of youtube and videotapes you would think our kids are more violent. but as a whole, violence has not gone up in the united states. however, if you look at risk factors for anti-social behavior, in terms of not having both parents at home, truancy, laughing, no lack of remorse, no guilt over this, there certainly seems to be that pervasive disconnect in society, and that is concerning. and we as parents need to get involved and teach our kids how to be empathetic, read other people's emotions and stop hurting people, because they disagree with us. >> exactly.

let's get a call in. cal is with us in texas. go ahead. >> caller: yeah, i was listening to the people and most of what they said is correct, as far as the bringing up the of the chi, but the idea is that the fact that these boys did this and then laughed about it is a great indication that no matter what kind of punishment you put to them, you are not going to change them. they are in deep need of some therapy. i teach cognitive therapy twice a week and these kids, they will not change with what we would call today's mandatory punishment, you know, which is probably barbaric in itself, being that the crime in itself was barbaric but they have deep-seated problems. you are not going to eliminate that. >> thanks for the call. jane, i'm still at the place

wondering how did we get here? how does that -- these kids are no more than 15 years old themselves. >> first of all, mike, i respectfully disagree with your other guest in the sense that stats show that teen violence is on the rise in this country in the last few years. overall, violence may be down and i certainly doubt that, too, but teen violence is statistically on the rise and how did we get here? look at our culture. i hate to throw it on the culture but everywhere you turn, movies, tv, video games, violence as a solution, hideous, sadistic violence. they are being brought up in a culture of violence. >> it's all around us. it's tough to avoid and i am one of those that watches the culture, jane, and the video games. they make you cringe. the movies will leave a mark on you. it is a cause, certainly. we will watch "issues." @@@@@

tonight, jaycee dugard speaks out for the very first time since her hellish nightmare ended. she was allegedly kidnapped, raped and forced to spend 18 long years locked up in a hidden compound. the alleged kidnapper, who fathered jaycee's two children, was arrested back in august. now for the very first time, we have new pictures of jaycee taken after this nightmare ended. you will not believe what she has to say. outrage, controversy and charges of racism ripping through a small missouri town. a woman could face major jail time and it all allegedly started because she jumped in line at the cashier? cops say this woman was belligerent and abusive but tonight, we're going to talk to

her dad and get his side of the story. and mothers out there, you'll wonder who can do this to their own children. a 1-year-old baby found dead, thrown away like a piece of trash. her twin sister, found barely alive under a mattress. cops say a woman left three toddlers home alone for more than 12 hours with no electricity and no water. who would do this to their own kids? tonight, we're going to talk to former sideline superstar, lisa guerrero, about her stunning discovery in the erin andrews case. that sports reporter was secretly videotaped naked, changing inside her hotel room. but could something like this happen again? lisa guerrero and a tv crew went back to the same exact hotel and you will not believe what they found. "issues" starts now. tonight, the young woman held captive for 18 long years breaks her silence and the nation is captivated by jaycee dugard's surprise appearance on the cover

of "people" magazine. it turns out she is a beautiful brunette young woman grinning from ear to ear but the reason jaycee made "people's" cover is of course no reason to smile. back in 1991, when she was just 11 years old, jaycee was abducted by two complete strangers, snatched and thrown into a car as she made her way to the school bus one morning. her mother and stepfather desperately pleaded for her return, but it would not come for almost two decades. that's when a series of bizarre events led cops to registered sex offender, philip garrido and his wife, nancy, seen there. and that's when the horrific and twisted truth was finally discovered. police say jaycee had been brainwashed and hidden in plain sight, imprisoned in a secret compound of tents, living in squaller. worse yet, prosecutors say jaycee was raped and gave birth to two of philip garrido's daughters. tonight as we marvel at the 29-year-old's cheerful appearance, jaycee is reportedly ready and willing to testify

against the monster who allegedly violated her. we know there's a hearing scheduled two weeks from now. the dugard family spokesperson told nbc's "today" that jaycee is, in fact, ready. >> knowing that the trial is looming and that the prosecution has a job to do, you know, that's certainly important and she is well aware as her attorney has said, she's well aware that for that prosecution to move forward, she needs to cooperate and she's fully prepared to do that. >> great news, but is she really? can she really hold up in court, in the media spotlight and in the public? tonight's big issue, is that beautiful smile masking a tangled web of emotions way too complicated for any of us to imagine? what do you think? give me a call. straight out to my awesome expert panel. lisa bloom, cnn legal analyst. there she is. stacy honowitz, supervisor of the sex crimes unit in the

florida prosecutors office. and michael silverman, psychologist and neuroscientist in the department of psychiatry at new york's mt. sinai school of medicine. we start with henry lee, reporter with the san francisco chronicle. what is the very latest? >> as you can see, we have jaycee dugard featured in the upcoming front page of the "people" magazine. beautiful brunette woman. this is empowering for her. she is saying i have survived, i am here, she wants to give thanks to everyone who has given her and her family support. unbelievable developments so she is there giving her story across the nation. jaycee dugard is back. >> now, tonight's big issue, is the photo of jaycee grinning on the cover of "people" magazine somehow misleading? perhaps masking some very painful feelings underneath? listen to what one expert told cbs news. >> the smile on her face is

quite deceptive. it's a true expression of what she's feeling right now, but inside, there are a lot of things she needs to work through. >> all right. so the dugard family spokesperson told the magazine jaycee is not dwelling on the past. she is quote, never looking back, end quote. so does this new photo camouflage pain and michael silverman, you're the psychologist, does jaycee need to start looking back at the horror she experienced to process it and to ultimately work through it? >> right. you know, jane, it's a great question. science doesn't really quite know what one scientist might say, you know, they should start reassessing the trauma, thinking back, going through all those memories. some others would suggest you know what, let's kind of -- >> what do you suggest? you're a psychologist. you've treated people. she's gone through a horror, 18

years, complete insanity, and yet, she's now out of it, she's now with her mom in an undisclosed location in northern california, with the two daughters that she had by her alleged abductor in the course of rape, and they are trying to have a normal life. what -- >> trying to have a normal life. >> -- should they do? let me say this. one of the revelations in the magazine is that jaycee and her two daughters are in therapy, a very special kind of therapy. listen to this. this is amazing. >> jaycee and her daughters as well, they're doing a lot of horseback riding. horseback riding as we know is sort of a very common form of therapy. >> horse therapy is commonly used for all types of trauma. animals are such wonderful healers because they give unconditional love without any judgment. so would it also give jaycee and her daughters a chance to bond in a neutral manner that has nothing to do with their shared

horror and i will throw that out to lisa bloom. as cnn legal analyst, you have covered so many 'really horrific cases. weigh in on this one. >> i think absolutely, jane. look, i know that when i have a bad day, i call it puppy therapy. i go home and play with my dogs and within about five minutes, i feel a lot better. now, jaycee dugard has gone through a horrible trauma and of course, that beautiful picture of her, i think she looks like a model or actress, she looks so pretty, but surely that covers up the pain that's inside of her that she's got to feel. i think it's up to her to decide what the best course is. part of what sexual abuse survivors need is to regain control of their own lives. to not just follow what some therapist says or what some doctor or lawyer says, but to take charge of their own lives. and if riding horses helps her, if being with her mom outside the media helps her, if looking forward and not backwards helps her, then i say more power to her. >> stacy honowitz, you're a florida prosecutor. you've covered many of these cases. let's also talk along with

therapy about isolation. they're in an undisclosed location in northern california, rustic, going horseback riding. they're not interacting with the outside world. at a certain point, though, do they have to a, deal with the past, talk about it, process it and ultimately deal with the outside sfwhorld world? >> sure, jane, but they don't have to do any of that right now. they don't have to do anything but what they want to do. quite frankly, it's absolutely miraculous that she has agreed to talk to "people" magazine and agreed to be on the cover and show her face this early in the investigation with what's going on. so everything has to be done at their own pace. if they choose to be isolated, if they choose to bond, if they choose to do therapy, not to go to therapy, to look back, not to look back, these are all things that are based on what they feel comfortable with. but the one thing that everybody has to remember is, they choose at this point not to be bogged down by people, by the outside

world, only to choose who they would like to speak to and that was "people" magazine. the fact that she realizes now that cooperation and going to the prosecutor and maybe having to testify in court will empower h her, it's a catharsis for her to be able to speak about it. with sexual abuse victims, they have to make the decision as to what is best for them. eventually, time will tell what will be healing for them. >> well, i looked at that photo and i say that is a genuinely happy young woman and i think it's wonderful for her to be able to show her face and say i'm a winner, i came out of this strong. look how good i look. there is nothing like imprisonment and then imprisonment ending to give someone a sense of relishing their own freedom. so we have that as very empowering right there. obviously, there's a lot of stuff she's still got to deal with but i think it's wonderful that she's on the cover of "people" and i think it is a

sense of empowerment and sort of taking back the situation, taking back the power. sometimes when you hide, you're a victim. you're in a sense saying i'm shame-based. the other side is winning. but when you sit there on the cover of "people" magazine saying i look good, i'm smiling, i'm taking back the power, i'm taking back my life, i think that's all very healthy. michael silverman, psychologist? >> yeah, i'm not convinced that, you know, she made that decision herself. here's a girl that was in a sense controlled for 18 years. how can we expect her to start making decisions for herself so quickly? >> she may have to. >> hold on. >> she might have had to. >> wait a second. lisa, go ahead. >> we have all had our picture taken and they do our hair and makeup as obviously was done for her, and they set up and have a nice photographer and they tell you to smile and you smile. doesn't necessarily mean you're feeling great that day. she looks terrific. by the way, she probably received a nice payment, which i

think she's entitled to. why shouldn't she. the magazine is going to make money. why shouldn't she? just because she looks so nice in that picture as many of us look nice in pictures, it doesn't necessarily mean that she's not hurting on the inside. >> excellent point. more on jaycee dugard's unbelievable story in just a minute. we're taking your calls on this one. 1-877-jvm-says. 1-877-586-7297. coming up, a woman goes to walmart to pick up a couple of things. hours later, she's in jail. what happened? and now, why is she facing 15 years behind bars? but first, how is jaycee settling into her new life with her real mom and what does she plan on doing now that she's a free woman, free from a hellish life? >> i love you and i want you to come home tonight.

she's pretty, young, innocent child and you may like her, but we love her, too, and it's time that she comes home to her family. >> that poor woman. what hell she's been through. that was jaycee's heartbroken mom back in 1991. tonight, in light of the avalanche of revelations about jaycee's well-guarded secret life after being rescued two months ago, we have to wonder about how others are coping since the reunion. you've got jaycee, you've got her two daughters, you've got her biological mom, you just saw her there, a lot happier now that she's got her daughter back. you've got the half-sister who was a toddler when jaycee was

abducted. they're all together and horseback riding and doing therapy, and let's hope they heal. let's go to the phones. anita, alabama, your question or thought, ma'am? >> caller: well, i think jaycee will be able to handle this. if she could raise those kids in the conditions she did, she will be able to face what she needs to and face her captors in court, too. >> that's absolutely true. she did an amazing job. let's talk about the two girls allegedly fathered by the monster who held jaycee captive for almost two decades. listen to this. >> jaycee is a remarkable young woman who has raised two beautiful daughters. they are clever, articulate, curious girls who have a bright future ahead of them. >> angel is 15 and starlet is 11. witnesses have said they're normal, they're polite, despite their lack of socialization. henry lee, reporter, "san francisco chronicle" tell us about some of the quandaries that they're now contemplating

in terms of their names that were given to them by their alleged abductor, about how they're going to be told about their conception. >> right, jane, these are very critical issues. recall that for 18 years, jaycee was called alisa so keep that in mind. it goes without saying that her two kids weren't told until apparently fairly recently about the exact circumstances of how they were born and who their parents are. apparently they believe that jaycee was their older sister for awhile. >> michael silverman, i'm going to hit you with two specific questions. should these kids change their name, starlet and angels, the other names given that the names were given to them by the man who is accused of raping their mother? >> you know -- >> give me an answer. pick one. pick one. >> you're talking about potentially changing their identity. that's how they know themselves. i'm not so sure. who's going to make that decision? you going to offer it to them to say hey, kids, you know, your

father was a rapist and he named you so why don't we come up with a new name? it's still who they are. >> all right. stacy honowitz, weigh in. >> listen, i don't think any of us have a right to judge as to how they should handle the rest of their lives. she was captive, she lived a horrific existence for such a long period of time that we as outsiders will never, ever know what this person and her family is going through. so whatever decisions they decide to make, they have to live with and we have to accept it. so i don't think there's any right or wrong answer. she's a victim of sexual abuse. these children are of the rapist and so later on down the line, she makes a decision as to how she's going to handle it, how she's going to speak with them and whether or not they decide to change their identity if they're not happy with the situation. >> one thing that should happen, jane, is that the paparazzi should stop chasing around these children and trying to take pictures of them. these little girls -- >> absolutely. >> -- grew up in this horribly traumatic environment. i don't want to see pictures of

them with their faces fuzzed out. that's terrible. paparazzi have a lot of nerve. it's one thing to go after a celebrity. it's another thing for anybody to take pictures of children without parents' consent and clearly this was without consent. >> i agree with you but i think those particular photos are photos of the girls that were taken at a birthday party in the neighborhood before this whole case broke open wide. and it was used as evidence of where the heck was law enforcement that these girls were actually going down the block to neighbors' houses and everybody in the neighborhood seemed to know about them, and yet the parole officer would come by and had no idea that philip garrido had a daughter or another daughter or had this whole tent city back there, even though you could see it, and that's why there was such an uproar over this whole thing. >> but what we're hearing is that the paparazzi are chasing them and they have to move to a different location and have fbi protection because of the paparazzi. that's what i'm talking about. that is outrageous to me. everybody should just leave them alone and let them live their

lives. >> the difficulty will be when the trial approaches and the hearing approaches, if these kids have to come to court, you know it's just going to be an absolute circus. i think lisa's 100% right. really, the privacy that these people need, they are sexual abuse victims to begin with. we're not even talking about a high profile case. but then you throw in what went on, the high profile nature of this, you really got to back off. >> we're issuing a warning to all paparazzi, leave these people alone, okay? they're not starlets, not actresses. they're victims and survivors. everyone, we've got to leave it right there for now. jaycee dugard has come a long way, but she obviously has a long way ahead as she recovers from trauma, as she adjusts to her new normal life. you know we all have issues and demons. as you know, i've got my issues and my demons. i'm no exception. in my new book "i want" it's an open book. i tell you all about my battles, addictions, struggle to become sober. my story could help you if you're dealing with addiction.

my book "i want" is in book stores now or order online, cnn.com/jane. once again, thanks, fantastic panel. coming up, a heart wrenching story. toddlers left to fend for themselves in the most horrific conditions. you will not believe what this mother is accused of doing.

in tonight's spotlight, police arrest a woman accused of cutting in line at a walmart. did the cops overreact? heather ellis has spent nearly three years trying to clear her name and stay out of prison, all because of a simple shopping trip to walmart. heather says she was just joining her cousin in line when she was accused of cutting in line, not a crime the last time i checked, but things quickly escalated and police were called to the store. the police report says heather was quote, very belligerent, angry, hostile and aggressive, and that she became combative and began fighting the officer. they charged her with, get this, assaulting an officer, resisting arrest, disturbing the peace, but heather claims she cried and

pleaded and did not resist. if she is convicted, she could face 15 years in prison. here's my big issue. with all the hideously violent crime going on in this country every day and we talk about it every night here on "issues," is this really the type of case law enforcement wants to pursue? at taxpayer expense? and what about store surveillance video? the prosecutor says he has footage that will help prove heather was resisting. so where's the tape? i want to see the tape. i'm very happy to have heather's dad with me today, reverend nathaniel ellis. welcome. how do you explain the two very different versions of what happened that day? your daughter's and the cops'? >> well, actually, it's a lie being told. my daughter was sent there to get a few items for my wife. the actual arrest said that she was cursing.

she knowingly disturbed the peace of the night manager. it was not about an issue of cutting in line. first of all, my daughter is not known to be a curser, and previously, she had accepted christ as her savior, and she had been raised in a christian home and that's simply not true, and also, if they would release the tape from walmart, it would clear up the whole matter. >> you haven't seen the tape? >> they would not release it. walmart wouldn't release it. >> and this happened three years ago. >> yes, ma'am. >> wow. we spoke with a walmart representative to get the company's reaction but they have not provided us with a statement yet. please do. we want to hear your side, want to hear all sides of this story. we just want to get to the truth. heather's case kind of reminds me of mitrice richardson, that young woman who is currently missing in malibu. she was alone at a high end restaurant, couldn't pay her bill, wound up arrested and they released her in the middle of the night. she disappeared, hasn't been seen since. another case of a young african-american woman in

trouble with cops over something that's not really a crime. it's not like neither of these cases, somebody went out and tried to do something wrong like steal. in your daughter's case, the naacp has gotten involved. do you think there's racism here? >> i know there's racism. it is blatant, overt racism. >> all right. what are you going to do about it? apparently you were offered a plea deal and your daughter decided not to accept it. >> she decided not to sign because she was told never admit guilt when you are innocent. we plan to fight it as we have. the naacp has been involved. the scoc and aclu and we're marching on. >> all right. well, i got to tell you something, reverend. we're not going to let this story go. we know there's a court case coming up. we will stay on top of it. we'll have you back. we won't let this one slip through the cracks, sir.

next story makes my blood boil. kids in diapers abandoned by their mom. you won't believe it.

stomach-churning child abuse. a 1-year-old baby found dead, thrown away like a piece of trash. her twin sister found barely alive. cops say their mom left three children home alone, with no electricity and no water. who could do this to their own children? plus, we're going to talk to former sideline superstar lisa guerrero about her stunning discovery in the erin andrews case. that sports reporter was secretly videotaped naked, changing inside her hotel room, but could something like this happen again? you won't believe it. tonight, a story that is guaranteed to leave you horrified and heartbroken, especially if you're a mom

yourself. a precious helpless baby was found starved to death and dumped in a trash can behind her family's home. inside the house, police discovered her twin sister barely alive, under a bed. the 2-year-old brother was starving and bruised with a very dirty diaper. where was mom? she had been to another state. police say 21-year-old christian woods left her kids alone at their florida home for three days. >> we found when she left these children in the home there was approximately six cups of jello opened and left in the living room for these children to eat. with no water and no juice. >> it gets worse from there. the home had no electricity as we mentioned, no water. police say it was totally filthy. can you even imagine, three toddlers left alone without food or water for three days? oh, yes, there were a few jello cups tossed on the floor.

they were wearing the same diaper for three days. this really makes me nauseous. the mom reported 18 month old malia missing on monday, saying she might have been abducted. look at that precious little girl. police say her story, the mom's, just didn't make any sense. >> she then admitted to one child had died and had been deposited in a trash can at the rear of the home and she believed that the other child was still alive. they found the child underneath a bed in the bedroom, still clinging to life. >> that's right. the surviving twin girl was in such bad shape, police initially thought she was dead. then she fluttered her eyelids and everybody rejoiced, she was alive. take a look at this little boy. the girls' 2-year-old brother also shows signs of neglect and abuse. look at that beautiful child. the two surviving siblings are now in the hospital recovering from pneumonia and malnutrition.

their mom charged with manslaughter and child abuse. if these kids were being starved, beaten and neglected, somebody had to have noticed. why didn't anybody speak up for these poor kids? where was the department of children and families? back to my expert panel. i've got to start with stacy honowitz. you're the prosecutor. the sickest part of this for me is that while police grilled the mom for a dozen hours, her surviving twin daughter, the one she didn't throw in the trash, the one who was in the house, was fighting for her life under a bed, inside the home, evidently missed by cops during their initial visit. so it seems likely that this mom knew the clock was ticking on her surviving daughter and yet, she stalled cops allegedly with lies for 12 long hours. >> well, if she did what she did to the first kid, what would make you think that all of a sudden she would become this redeeming person and talk about this other child? this is the most repulsive, disgusting case you can really imagine. and quite frankly, it's amazing

to me that they're charging her with manslaughter. this is a felony murder case in my book. this is child abuse. you leave your three kids for three days with no electricity, water or food, that's child abuse. the child died in the commission of a felony. it's felony murder. so i'm hoping that they review all of the documents and they upgrade the charges and there's nothing more to say about this case. it is hideous, it's disgusting, and you know, it happens all the time. that's the sad part. people don't have a license to have a child. dcf goes out all the time to these homes -- >> child welfare workers knew about this family. somebody actually called to report the boy was being neglected. we don't have any access to the case file, but we do know that a caseworker who went to the house did not ask that the children be removed, and did not see any reason for the courts to get involved. lisa bloom, squalor, roaches, neglect, malnutrition, no

electricity, no running water. why the hell didn't a child welfare worker say get these kids out of this house of horrors? >> no child in america in 2009 should be in a house without electricity and running water. let's start with that. when you add to it, you've got a 21-year-old single mom with three little toddlers under her care, obviously not capable of handling them. of course, the children should have been taken away immediately. these cases are horrendous, as you and stacy say, absolutely, but i say there has to be something wrong with this mother. i'm sorry, for her to leave her kids for 24 hours, to leave a child dying under the bed, to put a child in the trash can, this does not show an advanced criminal mind. this shows somebody who has a serious problem. something clearly wrong with this woman. the fact that child protective services came and they didn't see it, they've got blood on their hands, i'm sorry. they do. >> i agree with you. this mom, okay, she was a mother of three by the age of 21. we don't know whether the father or fathers of these children is

in the picture. she's a single mom. so obviously, she's in over her head. three kids in a home that's certainly not fit to house human beings, not fit to live in. >> guess what, florida law, you know, i deal with these cases all the time. florida law says guess what, a dirty house doesn't mean anything. you can't be charged because you have a dirty home, and this is what happened. this is the result of cases that we get in every single day, where parents have disgusting houses, but the law down here says unless the child looks like they're going to die, you cannot charge the mother. and we run into these problems all the time. the law needs to be changed. >> michael silverman, psychologist, how do we stop kids from having kids, younger and younger girls becoming moms, their kids suffering because of it. this is our big issue tonight. i mean, this didn't have to happen. something has really gotten sick about our culture that this is

happening more and more, over and over, and why are these kids being encouraged to have kids? >> see, you're bringing up a couple really good points. the first is as a clinician, it is very hard to make a decision as to whether you should remove a child from their parent. that's a brutal decision that any clinician in that sort of situation has to make. the second is, we're not -- and lisa made a very good point -- there's something wrong with the mother. >> you think? >> from my experience, this is indicative of a post-partum depression that has gone on far too long, undiagnosed. >> oh, please. >> hold on. hold on. let stacy talk. >> you know how many times i see these cases, these women come in, it has nothing to do with post-partum. these are young girls that have kids that don't have a higher education, that aren't taught how to raise a child who think that screwing around in high school is great.

>> all right. we're out of time. one at a time. lisa bloom, go ahead. >> we had a state in this country that briefly actually offered a solution. that was nebraska. remember they had a law briefly where anybody could drop off a child at the local police station or hospital, no questions asked, and it turns out people were bringing teenagers in. it was supposed to be for infants but there was a loophole. people were bringing in nine kids because they just couldn't handle them. i think every state needs to have a safeguard. if you have kids, and you can't handle them, and you're on the verge of what happened here with christian woods bring them to the police station, bring them to the hospital, no questions asked, because the safety and protection of children should be number one. >> you know, let me just say this. on this show, "issues," we try to come up with solutions. we try to stay in the solution. these stories, they're depressing to cover day after day, and if we don't come up with solutions, i get clinically depressed. we have to look at what is the answer here because this is not an isolated incident.

this kind of thing is happening all over the place. public education in america was supposed to be the great equalizer. it was supposed to give everybody the chance to make it in america, even though there is poverty. we shouldn't have to deal with such an intense lack of education that this is the kind of solution that a troubled woman comes up with. but it's not working. our school system is not giving young girls and young men, because obviously it takes two to produce a child, the kind of information that they need to avoid a, having three kids when you have no business having three kids, when she doesn't have a job and she's obviously not equipped to take care of kids. stacy honowitz, you have the final word. >> listen, i say it all the time. when i go out i lecture at schools, i ask them are you taught about sex, about possibly having a child, what you're going to do, how you're going to raise this child, and they all have the same answer. no one talks to them. this is what they know, this is

what they are used to and quite frankly, having sex and screwing around in high school is kind of cool, and they're not taught, they're not educated. that's what we need to do. >> -- controversy over the last eight years about sex education. that was such a bugaboo that people were afraid to do any kind of sex education. >> come look at all the neglect cases i have sitting in my office because these girls don't know how to care for children. they get involved, they have kids at 14 and 15, it's a vicious cycle. they neglect the kid and the kid comes up in the foster -- it's a terrible, disgraceful system and something needs to be changed. >> you know, teaching kids history, we need to take history class and we need to put something in there in place, and that is how to be a decent human being. because if you don't know how to be a decent human being, doesn't matter if you know about european history or about logorhythms. michael jackson's kids, are they prepared for the sfolt? we'll tell you what michael jackson's mom is saying about all this. a stunning new development. then a special insider

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no woman can afford to miss. but first, "top of the block" tonight. won't believe this one. head-spinning reports and i mean head-spinning, involving michael jackson's three beautiful kids. according to "us weekly" they will appear in a reality tv show. is it possible? cnn reached out to a & e and lo and behold, they said the claim was entirely possible. but wait. michael's mom katherine told tmz quote, it will not happen. however, "us weekly" standing by its reports. they even have a source that allegedly says katherine is going along with things and aunt janet, you know miss janet if you're nasty, 100% behind the move reportly. the only person putting a foot down, big sister rebbie. the normal one. she reportedly said michael would spin in his grave if his kids were to end up on a reality tv show. i couldn't agree more. remember how he kept them hidden with the masks? and the veils? let's just hope the rest of the

jackson clan wakes up to the reality of reality tv. don't do it, jacksons. that's tonight's "top of the block." a living nightmare. that's how espn reporter erin andrews describes being stalked and secretly videotaped. you remember this story, a peeping tom hunted her down at hotels where she thought she was safe. could what happened to erin andrews happen again to other women? the really disturbing answer is yes, it can. the "l.a. times" reports authorities believe erin's alleged stalker called 14 different milwaukee hotels to figure out where erin was staying while she covered one baseball game, then he tracked her down at a marriott, where he was granted his request for a room right next door to erin's. that's when he allegedly altered the peephole and recorded erin naked in her room. michael david barrett on house arrest right now. he's the accused. but what's stopping another man from stalking another victim at

a hotel? we've got a shocking update for you. lisa guerrero, beautiful, stunning, female sports caster, checks in alone to a hotel, the very same hotel where erin was secretly taped. a man checks in later that day and tells the clerk he wants to book the room right next door to the famous sideline reporter. and he's told sure, i'll give you a room nearby, allegedly, and no questions are reportedly asked. now, this was a sting. the man and the woman both undercover reporters from "inside edition." >> this is my room, so where is it? it's just a few feet down the hall from lisa guerrero's room, and they never even called her to let her know someone wanted to be near her. were you surprised when i knocked on your door and you realized how close they put me? >> jim, it was surprising but it was also disturbing to think that somebody could walk into a hotel, get a key, not only on my floor but virtually 20 feet away from my front door. >> this is unbelievable.

of course, we want to hear the hotel's side of the story. they're welcome to give us their side at any time. but my question tonight, did this hotel learn nothing from the erin andrews' scandal? why would they allegedly give a strange man information about which room any woman is staying in? something worse than any peeping tom could do, really. the star of this sting, sportscaster and "inside edition" special correspondent, the one and only lisa guerrero joins me right now. lisa, first of all, i think this is a very ingenius story. i could see you and jim moret, my good buddy, plotting away to pull this one off. give us a sense of how this whole thing went down. >> well, it started a week ago. we actually called seven different hotels from across the country and asked all seven hotels if they could register me in over the phone. a few minutes later, jim moret calls and he said i'm going to stay at this hotel and i want to know if lisa guerrero is registered there, and if so, i would like the room next to

hers. all seven hotels said they would give him the room next to me, without calling me, without checking with me, do i indeed know this person. so when we showed up in nashville on friday, we went to two different hotels. we went to a marriott and we went to a sheraton in nashville. both hotels not only confirmed i was a guest but both hotels gave him a room near mine. so we were very, very surprised to hear that not only was my privacy invaded but my security was threatened. >> now, a clerk at one of the hotels allegedly asked jim moret does she know you and he said essentially yeah. that was it. tell us about that. >> that was it. that was it. you know, she knew that she shouldn't be giving presumably a strange man a room next to mine, but instead of calling me in my room and saying lisa guerrero, do you know this person, should he be checking in next to you, she even said you know, i shouldn't be doing this in light of what's just gone on, presumably she was talking about

the erin andrews situation, but she let him check in 20 feet away from my front door anyway. >> fascinating stuff. lisa guerrero, way to go. i find it fascinating that the clerk was a she because i was thinking he. we're going to have more on this after the break.

my name is erin. last name is andrews. i'm all over the news right now. >> i'm not familiar. >> i was the girl that was videotaped without her knowing without clothes on in the hotel. >> really? >> i got two [ bleep ] sitting outside my house. i cannot believe these jerks are knocking on my door. such [ bleep ]. they know i'm here because i have a car out front. they know i'm inside. i did nothing wrong and i'm being treated like [ bleep ] britney spears and it sucks, i'm sorry. >> that was a 911 call made by

espn star erin andrews complaining about being stalked by the paparazzi. here on "issues" we talk about the war on women and this is really part of all of it. the mentality, when this happened, a lot of people were not horrified that somebody had stalked erin andrews. it sparked a media firestorm because oh, the victim was popular and pretty and blond and some people even hinted that oh, maybe she released it herself, these videotapes of her naked as a publicity stunt. erin andrews told oprah she worried the video would end her career. >> i kept screaming i'm done. my career is over. i'm done. get it off, get it off the internet, get it off. >> it is a shame when a woman who is smart, successful and beautiful has to worry when she checks into a hotel that some sicko is following her and let's go to francois on the phone. weigh in on this one, will you? francois? >> caller: hi. >> how are you? what's your thought or question,

ma'am? >> caller: well, i was calling about the hotel show. first of all, i work in the hotel and i don't know which hotel is that one, but the policy of the hotels that i work in and all around rhode island is that when somebody checked in in a hotel, we are not allowed to give out any information about -- >> thank you. >> where they stay. >> lisa bloom, here's the thing. i think that's a great point. obviously, for the average person who goes in and you and i have had that experience, i'm sure, you go into a hotel, try and reach a friend, they won't tell you where your friend is. you can't get them. but if somebody's an operator, a guy who comes in and plays the clerk and makes up a story, that's when they can sometimes get the information. >> for ding this. this is very important. this is the same hotel where this incident happened to poor erin andrews. all of these women have creeps

and stalkers. in the hotel, you don't have the normal security. you don't have the comfort you have at home. you are counting on the hotel to provide you with a decent level of security. don't tell a guy in a hotel to put in a room next to me. i say, look, you should use this as exhibit a in your civil lawsuit against the hotel that compromised erin andrews. it outrages me. >> it really does. it's another area of our life, our culture where we can't feel safe as women. >> the bigger problem is, this isn't about famous women or tv personalities. this is about a working woman who works for a living, travels a lot, checking into a hotel that supposedly doesn't know a man in the lobby and the man in the lobby can go to the front desk and check into a room next

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