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welcome back. terrifying new video here. a mom takes her eyes off her baby for a split second and then the most horrifying thing. mom is at a train station. the 6-month-old is strapped in a stroller. the stroller rolls toward the edge and goes over in front of the oncoming train. hard to watch what happened next. >> reporter: a young mother arrives at ashburden station. in the windy weather she fusses over her child and even pulls the pram away from the edge of the platform but doesn't apply the brake. and in a split second, her 6-month-old boy rolls off the
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platform and into the path of a train. >> it's a miracle this baby wasn't killed and the baby somehow managed to escape with just a cut to the forehead we've been told. the city bound train comes to a stop 30 meters further along the tracks, the baby underneath shielded only by the pram. >> it played a great role in making sure the baby survived yesterday's incident. >> reporter: mother and child are taken to hospital but released soon afterwards, shaken but unhurt. police say the mother did nothing wrong. connex workers find the pram in pieces and belongings scattered as far along as the second carriage. transit police say signage and supervision on railway platforms are already adequate but the incidents like yesterday's are a startling reminder of how easily tragedies can happen. >> parents especially need to be vigilant especially with toddlers. they tend to wander off. especially with multiple kids as well. >> reporter: the incident came just a day after the launch of a public awareness campaign warning of the dangers of prams
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on platforms. >> the potential for disaster is huge and the very next day this happens. >> dean felton, 7 news. >> wow. thankfully the little one is okay. all right. this tragedy did not end so well. two people dead at a sweat lodge in arizona. this case now treated as a homicide investigation. more than 50 people packed into a cramped, sauna-like structure last week. sauna doesn't even begin to tell how hot it gets. they spent hours in there trying to get spiritual cleansing led by the self-help guru james arthur ray, helped write "the secret." these people paid $9,000, $10,000 to attend. 19 had to go to the hospital and one person is still in critical condition. two people died. james shore and kirby brown as well, an avid surfer and hiker in top shape. let's get more on this. joining me to talk about this, tom mcfeely, kirby brown's cousin. and also gary, a former prosecutor. oh, gary is not with us. we'll hope to get to him in a
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moment. first, tom, as this is moving forward and you're now hearing homicide investigation, what are authorities telling you as to why they're labeling it as such? >> well, authorities have been in touch for sure and thank you for having me, mike. we're in good touch with the authorities. we've heard a lot from other victims and every day with every detail comes another person who gets the courage to give us a call and tell us what really happened in that lodge. furthermore what happened the entire week that led up to the lodge because we believe that's as important. we know there was a criminal act. we know our kirby was murdered. anyone who knew kirby the second they heard knew this had to be an act beyond her control. >> let's listen to the sheriff. just basically he's talking about those who ran this, who organized this sweat lodge should have known it could be dangerous. let's listen. >> i don't know if they knew
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people would be killed but based upon some information that we have, people have become very sick in these activities before and as a result they should have had some preinformation about preparing for certain kinds of human responses to being in a building with no ventilation and heat. >> former prosecutor gary kasimism r is with us. gary, as you listen to that, that people have been sick before at a james ray sweat lodge is that the key opening as to why we're calling it now or labeling it a homicide investigation? >> well, it's part of the investigation is to find out if in fact mr. ray and his company were what they call criminally negligent in the deaths of these two individuals. what they'll have to do is look at how much did they know and the other issue is what they could have done to prevent this. clearly, did they ignore the dangers here? you know, tom was mentioning they're going to be looking into
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everything they did before. were these people already exhausted and dehydrated before they went into the sweat lodge? what kinds of things were set up to make sure these people were healthy enough to endure 50 people in a room of high heat? what kind of setup was made for an emergency situation? how were people being monitored? the issue will be whether or not they so disregarded the dangers here it is considered a criminally negligent homicide. >> how important is it that they had some sort of a release form signed? and that people knew going in that things can get dangerous? >> yes, absolutely. i mean, of course. the feds here, mr. ray is going to say everyone was aware no different than going to a gym when you sign and you're getting on a treadmill this may be unhealthy for you. you have to be healthy enough to endure it. the question is whether this was far more extreme. you have a sweat lodge where i understand there were 50 people in a small area unventilated. the question will become under those conditions is the release enough? >> that is an excellent point. i know investigators will look
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at how was this built? did they -- because a lot of people have had experience with this say a 415 square foot lodge for 55 to 65 people is just not the way you do it. you have one nurse monitoring these people? a lot of questions still. but right now being ruled a homicide investigation. gary, thanks for being with us. you as well, tom. we appreciate it. our thoughts and prayers are with your family through this difficult time. >> thank you. latinos, a minority population in america but one that is expected to nearly triple by the year 2050. next week our sister network cnn takes an in-depth look at how latinos will likely change this country and how the country has changed them. part of the special, soledad o'brien's compelling story of a puerto rican man pursuing the american dream and facing significant challenges along the way. >> repeat after me. dogs used as wheels. >> logs used as wheels. >> carlos robles seems like the
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typical american until he opens his mouth. >> a horse drawn carriage. >> chariot. >> chariot. >> this 29-year-old is taking english pronunciation classes at the community college in orlando. he's hoping to reduce his spanish accent. when you came to orlando how did you think your english was? >> worse, really worse. >> reporter: did you know you couldn't speak english well? >> yeah, yeah. i also cried in my bed because i can't have a conversation with the people so it was really bad. >> reporter: carlos was born in puerto rico, an american territory, whose residents are u.s. citizens. spanish is the main language. >> it is hard to understand english. >> reporter: in puerto rico he was a decorated police officer. now he dreams of a job in florida law enforcement but first he has to pass the sheriff's exam. >> i failed the first one but i don't think it's so hard to
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test. i can do it, really i can. >> reporter: would knowing english better help you on the exam? >> yes. >> reporter: requirements, criminal justice chain of command, officer safety and response, community relations. intervention services. >> yes. >> reporter: this looks hard. how many questions is it? over how long? >> 250. in four hours. i go more comfortable to the test now. >> reporter: this time. >> a little nervous but i think i'm ready. >> reporter: when's the test? >> next week. >> reporter: you got a lot of pressure on you. and basically a week to go. >> that's right. i have to look forward. >> reporter: adding to that pressure? fatherhood. carlos met kayla a year ago. now they're engaged and
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expecting a baby. carlos is unemployed, uninsured, and still struggling with his english. his future and now his family's future is in his hands. >> cnn's two night special takes place wednesday and thursday at 9:00 p.m. eastern and will be simulcast in spanish on cnn in espanol.
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welcome back. we now have our first glimpse of the horrific last days of anna nicole smith's life. the one-time super model reportedly so weak, couldn't get out of bed, reduced to drinking pedialyte out of a baby bottle lying in her own feces. hearing that from a detective who had been investigating the case for years gave that disgusting account. howard k. stern her lawyer/boyfriend, partner, and two doctors charged with conspiracy in her death. we want to know how could people so close to her let this happen? let's bring in an entertainment reporter and legal expert and also an attorney. russell, we're getting this account here. sad, the sad account of her final days chls how indicting is that against stern and the two doctors and how could it impact the case? >> it is definitely a sad account and it will have an impact. this judge is hearing evidence that will determine whether this case goes to trial. that's what the preliminary hearing is for. so the more gruesome evidence he hearse and the more evidence he
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hears of the doctors and howard k. stern contributing to anna nicole smith's drug use, it's going to be damaging and could lead to this going forward in the criminal process. >> okay. i hear this as a human being and i'm thinking all right, stern. you were at least a boyfriend at one time we thought and the doctors are supposed friends as well. how could you let that happen? is that the way you go with this? we still have to prove, the state has to prove the illegality of these drugs that were in her system and near her that they got for her, right? >> right. there's a couple things going on here. there are two sets of defendants. you have howard k. stern and then the two doctors. >> right. >> so in some respects howard k. stern wants to pit himself against those doctors by playing dumb. he wants to say, listen. i'm a lawyer. i'm not a doctor. and so what these doctors were prescribing i was just following instructions but then a judge hears evidence of howard k. stern allegedly lighting up valium and injecting it into
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anna nicole smith's body via her blood stream, that doesn't sound like something doctors were recommending. >> exactly. this is the video that always sets the table for us when we go after howard k. stern for lack of a better term, the clown video. let's show that again. this is as anna nicole smith is pregnant. she seems out of it. there she is in clown face and howard k. stern is filming this. let's listen just for five seconds to this. >> why? what footage? >> the thing you are looking into. >> it's a camera. >> exactly. >> there it is again. is this something that will be introduced? is this something that is at the state's disposal or not? >> even if it's not introduced i find it hard to believe the judge hasn't seen this. this is a video that attorney general jerry brown has referenced before as evidence that this is a woman who clearly was on drugs in front of the public eye. so this video could be very
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powerful but even if they don't have this video there's lots of other powerful evidence that the judge is hearing. >> what's the most powerful, russell? >> well, these details about anna nicole smith. there are some unfortunate details about having bowel movements in the pool, about howard k. stern like i said before injecting valium after lighting it up with a cigarette lighter into her body and then there is also evidence of her having infections. i mean, this -- and the testimony also about her just being in a depressed state for many months following her son's death. a lot of it paints a picture of a very tragic figure and then the people around her, what were they doing? and that's what this case is all about. >> okay. russell, we'll talk again in a couple minutes about this. tlc going to war with jon gosselin. they're going to file a breach of contract lawsuit against him. he wants out. doesn't want any more filming on the show. you better believe tlc is going to fight. who's standing on stronger legal ground? we'll take your calls. 1-877-tell-hln.
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don't judge a book by its cover. things aren't always what they seem. those are sayings we've all heard growing up. but sometimes we have to see to believe. we're introduced to a young man teaching us all of those lessons by defying the odds. >> reporter: at 17, you could say kenneth chauncey lives a double life. >> i mean, there are times when it's difficult but i can't let those difficult times bring me down. >> reporter: he's on a journey many of his friends know nothing about. kenneth is a starting running back on the varsity team at helen bernstein high school. >> so today you'll be taking notes. >> reporter: he is a straight a
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honor student named best overall academic student. and he's popular. he's student body president, a big man on campus with dreams of a college education at harvard. >> he is an a student. he's definitely into leadership. he's also an athlete. >> reporter: but at the end of the day when all of his classmates go home, kenneth and his 14-year-old sister, stephanie, start their journey home. ♪ hallelujah >> reporter: to skid row in downtown los angeles. where there's no escape from reality. kenneth and stephanie live here at the union rescue mission. what would you want people to understand about the struggles of their children? well, there are struggles especially obviously financially. like i would kill to have a house and my own room. this is my storage area where i
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keep most of my track and school stuff. >> reporter: kenneth, stephanie, and their father gordon live in a tiny, 250 square foot room at the shelter in a special area designated for families with children. they ended up here after gordon, who works as a day hire works a entertainment industry lost his apartment about the same time he won custody of his kids. even though kenneth lives in a shelter, he says it's so much better than what life was like before. >> in sixth grade i lived in a van. let's see. my mom used drugs. my stepdad used to hit me. >> reporter: kenneth says that was the past. now he's focus and the future. he says he will leave skid row and he want to go to harvard university. >> i do have big dreams. i have to make them come true. >> reporter: he says he that the grades to get in. now the hard part. he has to find the money. grants for scholarships to get him there.
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thelma gutierrez, cnn, los angeles. i bet you believe it will happen, too. for more of "what matters" check out the november issue of "essence" magazine or logon to cnn.com/whatmatters. a show of hands. who want to see jon & kate plus eight end? the drama continues to play out. jon gosselin trying to put up a road block on the show. tlc, the company that does the show are fighting it. they're going lawsuit against him. they don't want him to call that shot. what do you think? how do you want this to end? we'll take your calls. 1-800-tell-hln. dddddddd
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