breaking news tonight. live, colorado. the whole country on pins and needles. a little 6-year-old boy's life hanging in the balance in a beautiful silver space-like balloon soaring through the clouds. tonight, it apparently all ends in felony charges. that's right. police, sheriffs, national guard, volunteers, the faa, even a whole airport and commercial carriers trying to save the life of a 6-year-old boy, falcon

heene, who his brothers and his parents say was trapped in that homemade balloon racing through the sky. eyewitness report emerged that something or someone fell thousands of feet to rough terrain near the colorado rocky mountains. after 16 miles of terror the balloon lands. no boy. was he dead? weighs injured? weighs lying down some ravine with every bone in his body broken? oh, no. he was hiding in the family attic the whole time. blurting out on national tv it was all "for the show." on not one but two morning shows that same child so nervous he vomits. when asked the same question. bye-bye, reality show. hello, cell block. >> so it was an experimental plane? >> yeah, it's a flying saucer.

>> it's a flying saucer? >> yeah. >> and that's gone, too, right? >> i'm sorry? >> how long -- is the flying saucer gone as well? >> yes. about 20 minutes, i think. >> it's been -- they've both been missing for about 20 minutes? >> yeah. >> okay. >> oh, my god. oh, my god. my son! >> it has been determined that this is a hoax, that it was a publicity stunt. we believe that we have evidence at this point to indicate that it was a publicity stunt, done with the hopes of marketing themselves, or better marketing themselves for a reality television show at some point in the future. >> did you hear us calling your name at any time? >> mm-hmm. >> you did? >> you did? >> why didn't you come out? >> you guys said that we did

this for a show. >> and tonight a college football star on scholarship, university of connecticut, at a college dance stabbed to death. who cut this all-american's life short? nobody knows? at a college dance packed with students nobody knows, nobody sees a thing? no way. tonight, who ended the life of 20-year-old football star jasper howard? >> a huskies homecoming dangs party turns deadly after an altercation ends in the stabbing death of star cornerback and father-to-be jasper howard. >> just released autopsy results find 20-year-old jasper howard died of a single stab wound to the stomach. just before he was killed howard called his mom. >> i talked to him for a while.

that night i talked to him. i didn't see him or talk to him no more. >> it happened after a fire alarm went off. this is at a dance. on the student center. this happened just after midnight. hundreds of people ran out into the streets, and then a fight broke out. >> as far as what the call thear kai altercation is about that actually is the subject of continuing investigation. >> we have not identified a suspect in this case. however, we are pursuing active leads. >> i hope whoever did it turns himself in. because he didn't deserve this. he didn't deserve it. >> and tonight, live, texas, a 3-year-old little boy in extreme danger. stolen from his own home after the boy's young mother found murdered on her bedroom floor. why? you know what? i don't care why. i just want to know tonight, where is 3-year-old mitchell

romero? >> an amber alert has been issued for 3-year-old richard romero, whose mother was found murdered inside the family home. police believe mitchell is in grave and immediate danger. >> just after 6:00 denver city police arrived to 212 east 10th street to find 29-year-old veronica romero dead inside. >> the boy was last seen in the company of his father, mario romero, inside a maroon 2004 gmc yukon with texas license plates. romero is also the husband of mitchell's brother and murder victim, veronica romero. >> we've been talking to family members on both sides. so it's just a matter of time before we're able to talk to him. >> three of veronica's sisters visited with police. a sister back at their home told us 33-year-old mario romero had abused veronica in the past and said it is "a sure thing that

he's her murderer." >> police say romero is considered a person of interest in veronica's murder and is wanted for questioning. authorities in mexico are also on the lookout as reports surfaced romero may be trying to take mitchell across the border. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. live, colorado, the whole country on pins and needles. a little 6-year-old boy's life hanging in the balance. and a beautiful silver space-like balloon soaring through the clouds. tonight, it apparently will all end in felony charges. bye-bye, reality show. hello, cell block. >> is this richard? >> yes, it is. >> okay, how long has the 6-year-old been missing? >> just a few minutes. >> was the flying saucer in the back yard? >> yes. >> okay. so it obviously has electronics which he can know how to work it, he gets it up off the air, off the ground? >> no. he doesn't know how they operate. >> he does not know how to operate. so and that's gone, though, too,

right? you're sure that he's in that? >> yeah, we -- we looked everywhere, and then my son just said, he's terrified-e said yeah, he went inside just before it went off. because we have it tethered. it wasn't supposed to take off. >> these people are actors. the way they met and established a relationship was in acting school in hollywood. so needless to say, they put on a very good show for us. and we bought it. >> absolutely no holds. i want your questions in the box. i'll get back to you. >> one of the guys told me it was for some tv show. so that's what he was referring to. that's what he was referring to. when he made that statement. >> and i know, i want to point out, that the sheriff's office said last night that they believe your account of what happened. but they do want to question you a little bit more. >> straight out to dan simons, cnn national correspondent, joining us from the heene home.

dan, thank you for being with us. what's the latest, dan? >> reporter: i can tell you richard heene is doing something he doesn't normally do, nancy, and that is he's keeping a low profile today. we saw him emerge from the house once with his entire family, got into a pickup truck, apparently drove to a grocery store. he's back in his home tonight. not making any statements. probably on the advice of his attorney. in terms of how this all came to light, what we are hearing from authorities is that they wanted to bring richard heene in for questioning and they did so -- used a little bit of trickery. they told him why don't you come to the sheriff's station and we'll give you the rest of your silver balloon. so heene drives over there by himself, thinks he's going to pick up that balloon. well, lo and behold, the cops start questioning him, and from what we understand they administered a polygraph. we don't know the results of that polygraph. but in any case, they questioned heene. meanwhile, their investigators who come over to the house

behind me and questioned the rest of the family. they question the wife, and they question the children. and at that point, after all the questioning is over, authorities were convinced that it was absolutely a hoax. nancy? >> we are taking your calls live. joining us there at the scene, fort collins, colorado, cnn's national correspondent, dan simon. so peter marcus, assistant editor of the "denver daily news," peter, thank you for being with us. peter, take me back to the very beginning. what happened? >> well, you know, the whole world was held captive. we thought that little falcon was flying across the colorado skies in a flying saucer balloon. and then this weekend, you know, we hear from the sheriff's department, that they're saying this whole thing was a hoax. >> i want to go to clark goldband, our producer on the story. i mean, a lot of people took a look at this thing and were convinced nobody could actually be inside of it. where was the boy the whole time? >> well, nancy, law enforce the investigators actually decided they wanted to contact aerospace engineers who used to work for

the u.s. armed services to determine whether it could actually hold the 36-pound boy falcon. now, at first law enforcement searched that house at the very outset and did not find falcon. they admitted a few hours later maybe we didn't search that home as thoroughly as we should have. it turned out later that falcon was then believed to be up in the crawlspace, or the attic that whole time. however, since then the sheriff of larimer county has said it's not clear, falcon could have been somewhere else and then come back himself to the home. >> okay. dan simon, back to you, joining us out of the heene home, dan, how did the whole thing crack wide open? >> reporter: well, you know, there was that interview last thursday on "larry king live," wolf blitzer was hosting, and there was that question by the father, richard heene, to his son, said hey, when you were up in the attic did you hear us calling your name? and the boy says yeah. and he says why didn't you come snout and he says, well, we did it for the show. well, everybody saw that. and it immediately raised

suspicions, both on the part of lane forcement, everybody who of course was watching this. so authorities grew suspicious. they wanted to question the heenes. and they also put up a public front supporting the heenes, and they said they did that because they wanted to continue to have their trust. so over the weekend they brought in the heenes for questioning. they brought richard in to the sheriff's station. they administered -- apparently administered a polygraph at that time. and then investigators came to the house, did another line of questioning. and we don't know if there was a confession or whatever was said, but we we know is after those interviews took place authorities came out and said it was a hoax. >> let's take a listen to what happened on national tv. >> did you hear us calling your name at any time? >> mm-hmm. >> you did? >> you did? >> and why didn't you come out? >> you guys said that we did this for a show.

>> one of the guys told me it was for some tv show. so that's what he was referring to. >> oh. >> that's what he was referring to. when he made that statement. >> and i know, i want to point out, that the sheriff's office said last night that they believe your account of what happened but they do want to question you a little bit more -- >> falcon? are you okay there? >> mm-hmm. >> you sure? >> he's tired. >> no, mom, i feel like i'm going to vomit. >> oh. >> are you okay, buddy? >> no. >> yeah, he's -- i think he's queasy. >> the child so sick when he's asked that same question after his appearance being interviewed by wolf blitzer on cnn he

vomits. on national tv. unleash the lawyers. sue moss, alex sanchez, anne bremner. anne bremner, high-profile lawyer, joining us out of seattle. what's your defense of parents that apparently put their child on the air? he blurts out "we did it for a show" on cnn. then when he's asked that question again, he's so upset he vomits on national tv? on "today" and abc. >> nancy, i knew you were going to ask me that. i mean, it's a terrible situation. but nobody died. you know, it was a hoax -- >> please answer the question. >> my defense is that we've got to see all the facts in the thing and life doesn't imitate art, it imitates bad tv.

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king show where the family was interviewed by wolf blitzer that we had the first a-ha moment. >> did you hear us calling your name at any time? >> mm-hmm. >> you did? >> you did? >> then why didn't you come out? >> you guys said that we did this for a show. >> when wolf talked to the father and the father was asking him, you saw the one little boy look at the mommy like uh-oh. >> the fact that he would want his child to lie for him, that he'd -- that's the lesson he's teaching his child, lie to get whatever you want in life. that's the damage here. >> they are my clients. so i've heard a lot from them. and obviously, this is something the public rolls their eyes at, unfortunately, but the presumption of innocence should be given to them. >> so it was an experimental plane? >> yeah. it's a flying saucer. >> it's a flying saucer?

>> yeah. >> and that's gone, too, right? >> i'm sorry? >> how long -- is the flying saucer gone as well? >> yeah. about 20 minutes, i think. >> it's been -- they've both been missing for about 20 minutes? >> yes. >> okay. >> oh, my god. oh, my god, my son. >> oh, my god, oh, my god, my son. if she lied to 911 about the life of her son -- susan moss, alex sanchez, anne bremner. susan moss, what charges could they be facing? >> oh, absolutely, filing a false police report. also endangering a child. and others. their parental rights might go up, up and away, for at least the time they'll be in jail, which could be a maximum of 13 years based on the felonies they could be charged with.

>> sanchez? >> you know, it's incredible. it's like the whole world has this couple convicted already. and based upon the information that i have seen and read, i don't see enough evidence at all which would justify an arrest at this point. now, maybe the police have some information we're not aware of. but based upon what i have heard, there is simply -- this case is based on speculation, on theory, and on suspicion. but -- >> really? well, let me just refresh your recollection, alex. to you, peter marcus with the "denver daily news," what can you tell me about reported communications between a research assistant or a prior employee with mr. heene many, many weeks before regarding a stunt like this? >> yeah. well, i think this was obviously the big twist to come out of this today, is that gawker.com, this website, they say they purchased this story from a robert thomas. he's a 25-year-old researcher. was working with definitely

richard heene on developing some sort of science-based reality television show. and in their conversations richard had mentioned that he could establish some sort of a publicity stunt on the level of roswell. he's a bit of a ufo guy. and that, you know, could create quite a buzz, quite a stir for the reality show that they had been developing. >> right. and to dan simon. how long before this stunt actually occurred were these communications? >> communications between who, nancy? >> between the employee and mr. heene. >> you know, i'm really not sure how long they were talking. but you know, one of the things that i think is absolutely fascinating that we heard today is that this balloon, everybody has seen it, when you take a 37-pound boy, they had a physics professor come in and take a look at it. they said there is absolutely no way it could have even lifted

off the ground. so that's another compelling element to this bizarre case. >> as it turns out, those conversations about this stunt took place last march. that's how long this has allegedly been in the planning.

it was last seen 20 minutes ago? >> probably. i'm losing track of time. so yeah. >> okay. so there's no electronics on it. there's no tracking device, right? >> no. no. i don't know whether it's possible you guys could detect the electricity that it emits. but every five minutes it comes on for one minute, and it emits

a million volts on the outer skin. and if he takes a ride in it, he could get electrocuted. >> straight out to special guest joining us, mary schiavo, former u.s. department of transportation inspector general, also an aviation attorney. marry, thank you for be with us. i mean, the police, the sheriff, the national guard, the airport volunteers, the faa, the airport closed down, commercial carriers, everybody cooperated to try to find this boy and save his life. the whole time the family allegedly did this as a stunt. >> that's right. and the faa certainly will have something to say about it. it's not surprising that they have joined the investigation. and there are a number of things they will charge. but usually, they can only do a civil penalty, a fine. things like operating an aircraft without an air worthiness certificate, violating commercial airspace. and constructing this aircraft

without a proper license. so there are many charges that they could bring against them. it will pale compared to the felony charges. >> to dr. leslie austin, psychotherapist. the boy is vomiting on national tv when pushed on these questions. do you think he was asked to lie? and what does this mean about their custody? >> i can't say for sure if he was asked to lie. but he's certainly under stress. custody is a question. i think it's scandalous what they're doing to this little boy. >> he has no idea how to turn it or anything, is that right? no instruction has been given to him? >> no, no. there's no way to turn it, no. >> okay. and he has no idea how to land it or anything, right? >> no. no.

university of connecticut is mourning a star football player, soon to be dad. >> it all started around 12:30 tuesday morning when someone pulled a fire alarm in the u, forcing the crowd of more than 300 people, uconn students and others, outside. uconn police tell me that's when a fight started between the two groups and 20-year-old howard and one other were stabbed multiple times. >> one of the victims who was stabbed has actually died.

jasper howard of -- a uconn student. the suspect remained at large. >> it was an altercation. he got stabbed in his stomach. he had went through surgery. 4:00 i called. the doctor told me he didn't make it. >> i was here at home watching the game. i watched the whole game. after the game he called me and was very excite d. i talked to him for a while. that night i talked to him, and i ain't seen him or talked to him no more. >> straight out to al jones with 1010, joining us at uconn campus. al jones, i don't understand how at a college dance -- i mean, certainly you've been to a

college dance before. at a college dance a fight breaks out. the place is packed with witnesses. a star student, scrubbed in sunshine, a good kid, gets stabbed to death. and nobody sees a thing? i don't believe that. >> well, there are some witnesses. they have talked to a number of students who were there. they also have another football player by the name of brian parker who was actually there and has helped them identify at least one person involved in the fight. that person was arraigned earlier today on charges of breach of peace and obstruction of justice. not charged in the stabbing, mind you, but held on $100,000 bail. they're also asking for other students to come forward. and of course there are security cameras around campus. it's just a matter of did they manage to catch some of the action on tape? >> to marlaina schiavo, our reporter, our producer, there also at uconn campus.

marlaina, let me get something straight. has an eyewitness told police who did the stabbing? >> police have not said that any eyewitnesses have told them who did the stabbing. however, nancy, police have indicated they may know who this person is because they said they don't think it's a uconn student. now, how would they know that? they obviously have someone in mind that doesn't go to uconn but, you know, might be a part of this. >> marlaina, what do we know about this young man? >> we know, nancy, that he comes from miami. he was on a full athletic scholarship. he was a star football player. he won this huge game that day, and he was at the dance that night. and we know that he came -- his mother says he came from miami, you know, to get away from the violence. and unfortunately, that didn't happen the other night, obviously. we also know that he was a

father-to-be. his girlfriend is pregnant. she's here right now along with his mother. and that's what we know right now, nancy. >> take a listen to what police had to say. >> this is a dance, a scheduled and sponsored dance that was occurring at the student union. and at 12:26, while the dance was going on, someone pulled the -- a fire alarm pull station, which evacuated the dance out onto the street. there were approximately in the neighborhood of 300-plus people who were attending the dance. and they were in the street. an altercation occurred and concluded with the stabbing of two individuals. >> my thought and prayers go out to his mother because, as many of you know, the background where he grew up through young

childhood through high school, to not only live through it but get through it and be able to get a chance to get out of there was a miracle in itself. and the idea of him coming all the way up to connecticut, where his mother thought he was safe, that he would grow up into a better man and come back and support his family like he was planning on doing, is heartbroken. >> i just hope whoever did it turn themselves in. because he didn't deserve this. he didn't deserve it. >> to marlaina schiavo, our producer there at uconn campus. what more can you tell me, marlaina? >> well, i can tell you right now that there's obviously still a killer on the loose, nancy, because you know, no one is in custody for this crime right now. what we also know is that jasper

died with -- the cause of death was one stab wound to the abdomen and obviously the manner of death is homicide. so we have no idea who did this, but cops are eager to find out more information, nancy. >> okay. marlaina, i want to clear something up. first you told me that they think they know who did it. because that's not the impression i had at all. so if you would be so kind to clear up for me, what exactly the status is, marlaina, because you've given me two completely different answers. and it's my understanding that witnesses are not naming a killer. and they were all right there. do we have a composite? do we have a name? is anybody giving it up? >> no. not at all, nancy. that's what i said n, no witness have given up a name. the only thing police have told us is they're pretty sure it wasn't a uconn student. so they've narrowed it down to that aspect. but no, there are no names flying around.

there's been no witness that have -- not one witness has come forward to say this is who did it. no. >> out to the lines, p.j. in massachusetts. hi, p.j. >> caller: good evening, nancy. bless you and your family and your beautiful twins. >> thank you. >> caller: my daughter's twins just turned 3. and she's my only child. i'm just baffled that there's absolutely nobody that would come forward. how in the world can someone not come forward when there's all his so-called close buddies there with him? they had -- >> let's unleash the lawyers. i agree. susan moss, alex sanchez, anne bremner. to you, bremner. it's just like when tupac shakur was killed. he was killed on the street on the vegas strip. >> right. >> which has got thousands of people on it 24/7 365.

and nobody saw a thing. nobody can name who did it. no matter how much it was investigated. same thing here. nobody knows anything. nobody can give a name. nobody can give a good identification. that is b.s. and think about it. think about it, anne. when i go home to those twins tonight, my prayer is that i live to get them through school, to get them into college. here is this young man, he's making it. he's on a scholarship. he's finally making it. and then this happens. did you see his mother -- >> oh, my gosh. >> -- crying? there's a baby on the way. the mother, the baby, and nobody will talk. i tell you what, if one of those witnesses were your client, anne bremner, all hell would break loose if i was on that prosecution team. let me tell you. >> and that's the thing, nancy. you're so right. i've seen it in cases since i was a baby prosecutor. hundreds of witnesses and none of them saw a thing. homicide right in front of them. that horrible, horrible dynamic

in these kinds of cases. and hopefully, someone's watching your show right now, nancy, and sees and will come forward because somebody saw something. he was stabbed to death. >> and to you, dr. perper. how could one stab wound inflict so much damage? >> because the stab wound to the abdomen can go upwards and can hit the heart or major blood vessels such as the aorta or the major veins, which are the vena cava. so one single stab wound which is deep enough and directed to the proper direction is going to cause death. >> i mean, look at him, doctor. look at this video of him. he's young. he's athletic. he's giving 200%. he's out there slugging it out on the field. he's attending classes. and this. to be stabbed to death at a dance. everybody, we are taking your calls. i want to give you the tip line.

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i promise you, not only will he live on through his child's life but he'll always live on through this team's heart and mine, forever. >> at least two of our guys when this took place, one had jasper in his arms and the other was pressuring the -- where the wound went in, and, you know, had blood, you know, on his hands. and those two young men i know are, you know, pretty deeply

affected, you know, right now. >> at about 12:33 a.m. uconn police on general patrol were notified of a stabbing that had just occurred just off hillside road in the area of the student union. the police officer investigating quickly determined that there were two stabbing victims in close proximity to each other. >> howard and another student were stabbed, and howard died. no suspect has been named. >> there was an altercation. he got stabbed in the stomach. he had went through surgery. 4: 4:00. i called. the doctor told me he didn't make it. >> both stabbing victims were taken to area hospitals, one treated and released. howard was pronounced dead hours after the incident at st. francis hospital in hartford, where his coach, randy edsall,

stood watch all night. a campuswide alert was issued early sunday, and uconn pd have stepped up their patrols around campus in the wake of the incident. they're working with state police on the investigation. >> back to dr. joshua perper, doctor, you were explaining how one stab wound could cause so much, so much damage? >> well, if a stab wound is applied to the upper portion of the abdomen, there is a possibility that the track of the wound is going to be directed toward the heart. so the person may have a stab wound of the heart which may be fatal. in the same way, one of the major arteries of the body, the aorta, can be cut. so this would explain why the death occurred so fast and they were not able to assist the person, because apparently there was medical assistance, or assistance given very early after the incident occurred. >> to sergeant scott haines,

sheriff's officer santa rosa county, florida. what do you make of the fact that no one is coming forward with a name or really even a description of the killer? >> in a situation like that, there was a fire alarm that was pulled, there was a lot of chaos going on and a lot of people were outside, so there were a lot of distractions. some people may not have been focusing their attention to something like that. and unfortunately, in stabbing situations there's no noise, there's no gunshots. so there maybe people that weren't aware that this actually went on due to their attention being diverted to other places. so that does make it more difficult. there's obviously some people that were right there that know what happened, and hopefully they will come forward and do the right thing and talk about it. >> sergeant, i'm sorry. someone was speaking in my ear. could you repeat that again? i'm sorry. i couldn't hear you. >> sure. the fire alarm that was pulled, that type of diversion, there was obviously probably some chaos from that. the mass exodus from the building. and a large amount of people. and with a stabbing situation there's no gunshot, it's a very

quiet crime, the people who are in the immediate area may have known what went on, but this person, if he was taken by surprise, he probably didn't even realize what happened right away. so some people may not even have realized that they witnessed a stabbing until they hear about this on the news and maybe they'll start coming forward. but there was a lot of things that were taking people's attention into other directions at the time. >> i want to go to dr. leslie austin, psychotherapist, joining us out of new york. dr. austin, why is nobody coming forward? >> well, in fact, people may not have seen it, or they may be frightened. we don't know who did this. we don't know who their friends were. we need to let the police do their work and get a lot more details. somebody will say something somewhere soon enough, and they'll find their man. >> we are taking your calls. sandy, ohio. hi, dear. what's your question? >> caller: hi, nancy. my husband, mark, and i don't miss a show. >> thank you. >> caller: i have a two-part question if i could. >> okay. >> caller: is the college dances like the high school dances and you must attend there to go to

the dance? >> i can tell you that right now. no. because there were non-students and college students there. go ahead. >> caller: okay. and the second part is was the fire alarm pulled to get everybody outside so this could happen? is that what they're thinking? >> good question. al jones with 1010 wins joining us there at uconn campus, al, what do we know about the fire alarm being pulled? >> we know the alarm was pulled at 12:26. and as the shevriff's deputy sawed said, you had a lot of confusion, people leaving from three different exits. so you had 300 people coming out but not to one place. i talked to one student who said there were a number of people pushing and arguing, pushing shoving. and if you think about it, if you push someone or stab someone it's almost the same motion in the darg. so the fact someone has not told police about it really is not that surprising. >> al? i've investigated many, many,

many homicides. more than i can even count. and i find it very, very difficult to believe that nobody in a packed dance at college saw who took a knife and stabbed this young man to death. i don't believe nobody saw anything, and i find it very hard to believe that no one is coming forward. to theresa in michigan, hi, dear, what's your question? >> caller: hi, nancy. i'm a big fan of your show. thanks for taking my call. >> thank you. thank you for calling in. >> caller: i was wondering about that fire alarm pulled, too. did they have a camera on the person that pulled the fire alarm -- >> good question. >> caller: it almost sounds like a setup to get him outside. >> you know what? theresa, i wonder the same thing. back when annie le was murdered

at yale, police kept saying there was no connection between the fire alarm and the murder. b.s. now, here, with so many people there, i think it's more possible it wasn't connected. but al, didn't you say >> well, there are surveillance cameras. police will only say "numerous" around campus, they won't give us a set number. whether there were any cameras actually trained on that one spot, if they have any video, they have not shared that information with us. >> good. al, joining us from 1010. very quickly, everyone, i want to tell you about a 3-year-old boy missing, his mom dead. take a listen. >> police are desperate to find a missing 3-year-old boy believed to be in immediate and grave danger. an amber alert was issued for mitchell romero after his mother was found murdered inside her own home. mitchell was last seen with his father in a maroon 2004 gmc yukon with texas license plates. >> to michael board, woia news

radio. michael, what happened? >> well, nancy, to bring you up on the latest, veronica romero was laid to rest in the tiny texas town of denver city. a city of only 4,000 people. one city worker says it's been more than a decade since there's been a murder in this city. her husband still on the run, apparently has their 3-year-old child with him. police very eager to speak with him.

thursday night, just after 6:00, denver city police arrived to 212 east tenth street to find 29-year-old veronica romero dead inside. first the start of a murder investigation. then the search for the woman's missing 3-year-old boy. the man police want, romero's husband, mario, the father of little mitchell. >> back to michael board with woia. you'll have to excuse me. i've gotten a horrible cold from my son. the mother is found dead by

whom? >> by her sister. and she may very well have been dead a couple of days before her sister found her there on her bedroom floor. >> michael, that is the most significant part of the puzzle to me, that this guy has apparently gotten several days head start on police. >> and very easily, he could have slipped already across the border to mexico. that's what police are thinking right now. the drive from denver city, texas, to el paso is about four hours. very easy to do. the juarez border passing in el paso is probably the busiest in the whole nation. there are literally thousands of people streaming back and forth all day, very easy to blend into that crowd, nancy. >> sheeba, illinois, i've got 45 seconds left, dear. what's your question and hello. >> caller: okay. you're fixing to go through the terrible 2s, darling. >> i'm ready. >> caller: good luck. okay. my question is, when was the last time the father was seen in that vicinity? >> good question. michael board, what do we know? >> the last time he was seen was

last week some time. they don't know if he was with that child. they lived together in the same house. how do we know that? because earlier this year, he pled guilty to beating her up in that home. this is a scum bag who's capable of doing anything to people who make him mad. nancy, lord only knows what he's going to do with this child when this child starts crying and asking where his mommy is. that's why we need to find this guy as soon as possible. >> tip line, 806-592-3516. please, help us find this little boy in so much danger. let's stop and remember army national guard sergeant jeremiah holmes, 27, maine, killed, iraq. awarded the bronze star, purple heart. loved riding his harley, swimming, playing horseshoes and building. lost his mom at 13, to murder. did not live to see his mom's killer brought to justice. leaves behind grieving grandmother vivian, four siblings, widow, best friend kimberly, 6-year-old son, caleb.

jeremiah holmes, american hero. thanks to our guests, but especially to you for being with us. see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp, eastern. and until then, good night, friend. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com

tonight, the bubble bursts in the balloon boy story. the kid's father may be a pr dream come true, but as a parent, is he a nightmare? and white house is busy shouting down fox news, sarah palin is busy posting her resume online. but will quitting her last job hurt her prospects? and joining me in the student, marcus buckingham, author of "find your strongest listrongest" what really makes women happy. can you talk about that on this show? all this and more, tonight.

it looks like it's just a matter of time now before criminal charges are filed against richard heene. he's the colorado dad who allegedly cooked up this hoax involving his son and a giant balloon. with me via satellite is perry c carsovello, an actor who has worked with heene. hi. we only know richard heene from "wife swap." what did you think watching this balloon saga play out? >> first off, i first read this on my cell phone when i was selling outside the u.p.s. story in the marina, in marina del ray, california. and i'm reading this story about a 6-year-old kid that was kidnapped by a -- i say kidnapped by a flying saucer. that was, that was lost, kidnapped, whatever the heck you want to call it.

but that got lost by this flying saucer, i said, straight out, this is a hoax. then i heard the name heene -- >> you did? >> then i read the name heene and i had to read farther. and then i realized, uh-oh, it can't be. >> why? >> oh, it is. it is. it is him. >> when you knew him -- >> and then i realized -- go ahead. >> when you knew him as an actor and a construction worker, did he seem a little bit loony? >> a little bit? joy, please! >> yeah. >> joy, you're giving him a little break here. a little bit? you saw -- you saw what he did on "wife swap." >> yeah, i did. >> he's that and then some. okay, my dear. >> and the wife is just as nutty as he is, as far as i can see. >> she's -- excuse me. >> go ahead. >> i said to somebody earlier today, i said, she's like a string. she's got no backbone. she's got no back bonbone,

whatsoever. >> but she's also a rageaholic from what i've seen on "wife swap." >> oh, yes. >> those three children, are you afraid for them? >> i'm totally afraid for them. joy, my dear, i've known these guys -- i knew richard before he married my aumi. he was a nut on construction sites, telling them to bring this tool her, that tool there. he was crazy with everything that he did. >> i'll tell you something, perry, thank you for being with us, but i think the guy's going to get a reality show out of this. thanks, perry, for doing that for me. now to my panel, social professor of psychology, dr. gail saltz, cnn legal analyst, lisa bloom, and comic and journalist, brian ballthatczar.

that's quite a name. it's everything. lisa, they're now saying this is a hoax. are there going to be criminal charges filed or what? >> i think so. it is unusual the sheriff would come out and say that before they've been arrested and before any charges have been filed. but we're looking at felony, maybe misdemeanor charges, up to six years behind bars, potentially, if he's convicted. >> but don't you think, gail, that it's overkill at this point? should he go to jail? really. >> i think the issue is recouping the money and discouraging other people from doing something like this for the purposes of getting a reality show. but if you want to think about the kids' well-being, and ill hope everybody would be thinking of the kids' well-being first, you want to send a strong parents that this is illegal, it's not okay, and there will be repercussions. and the kids were dragged into the drama and they got the message, it is okay to break the law. >> i love that the kid flew up. it's so incredibly freudian.

he lies and then he pukes. >> and look at when he throws up. he throws up when his dad is asked, is this a hoax, and he's expected to go along with the lie, and he can't. >> he threw up on two morning shows. and the parents didn't bow out of the second one. throw up on tv once, shame on me. throw up on tv twice, shame on you. you've got to stop the interview. >> didn't george bush use that? >> exactly. >> but if that enjoy to jail, i think it would be very bad for the children. i think it's a stupid, crazy story, but i have to give this guy credit. it's like a pr stunt beyond belief. >> it's a reflection of what's happening in society now, which is just horrendous. which is the number one thing that everybody wants is fame. even being infamous -- >> why?! why do people want fame so much? what happened to money? >> good point! what happened to money. well, apparently with fame, you do get money. you get two for one. but look, we're all somewhat narcissistic at heart.

and the problem -- >> is that an american thing or is that around the world? >> well, america is more so. we are very individualistic society. we are not a culture of, for the better of the culture, which has its upside and its downside. the downside is we're seeing that it's all now about rudeness, about aggression, about fame at any cost. and we've got these lousy, lousy role models for the next generations. >> i think he got a taste. "wife swap" gave him a taste of some recognition, some fame, and he needed more. he couldn't get enough. and he managed to accomplish the impossible. he makes jon gosselin look like a good father. >> don't you think of us on television have to be careful criticizing people who want to be on tv? >> duh! >> and they wouldn't necessarily go to jail. wasn't there be some community service? >> the community service is the reality show.

brilliant idea. >> you could be the executive producer. and e-mails between heene and a friend have been revealed where heene discussed a balloon hoax a month ago. he said, this will be the most significant ufo-related news event to take place since the roswell crash of 1947 and the result will be a dramatic increase in local and national awareness about the heene family, our reality series, as well as the ufo phenomenon in general. do you think he wants a job? >> this is "grandiosity." he drank his own kool-aid here. >> his ego is bigger than the balloon, and both are deflated now. >> but what about forcing the kids to be part of the lie and forcing the kids to lie to the police and to lie to the media. >> it's so damaging. these kids are young. they don't have a fully formed super ego. they are developing their moral compass. this is the time where you have to be telling kids, this is right, this is wrong, and do as i do, don't do as i say. so this really tampers with their moral development. to go on and be shocked, if your kid commits a crime as an adult when this is what kind of a

parent you were. >> you don't consider him innovative and creative in a certain way? >> are you kidding? >> i mean, there's deranged innovative creative. >> i'll go with that. deranged and innovative. >> they take the kids storm chasing. everyone else is going inside and battening the hatches, they're loading the kids up in a van and their going into the storm. shouldn't that be a red flag, there's something wrong with this family? >> and he did a wrap video. >> no! >> there's three children that has homophobic remarks in it. >> we can't say that word on television. >> the things these kids are lip syncing and saying in this video are hugely offensive. >> they did a what? >> a little rap video between the three of them where they're making homophobic remarks. it's a negative word for female genitalia. >> oh, no, they didn't. >> yes, they did. >> that's one of my favorite words. >> very bad word and to have your little kids being singing about this is so wrong.

>> the attorney is saying that they shouldn't embarrass the parents in front of the kids, but don't they also have to learn that there's a consequence for doing these sort of things. >> yes, they do. >> they shouldn't have put the kids up to lie. >> that's what's terrible. >> but how about the media focusing on it for hours and hours. i was up here in this studio, we were staring at it saying, the kid is dead, there's helium in there. >> you're right, joy, those tv shows that talk about the maroon boy, something's got to be wrong with them,ing right? that's just appalling. >> it's jon and kate all over again. >> how could they talk balloon boy? >> i'm looking for the wicker basket. i couldn't figure out where he could be in this balloon. >> and when they said he fell out, that didn't make any sense. >> that was horrible. >> campbell said she was bawling in her office watching this and then cursing the kid realize what had a little is not he was. >> we're wanting drama.

we are looking for it. we don't want to keep hearing about the same old very depressing things that are real that are going on. >> and it's got videodisk. that's why we cover it on tv. >> we'll be right back with this lovely panel. don't go away.

this is larimer county, colorado. and there is a little boy in this aircraft that you're seeing right now. a 6-year-old boy. and they're down to about 6,000

feet. what they're trying to do is get to this child. he floated away from his family's home on an experimental aircraft. >> okay. turns out this whole balloon boy story was a hoax. back with me are lisa bloom and brian balthazar. and joining us to discuss this and more is talk show host, wendy williams. okay, wendy, you're no stranger to publicity yourself. >> no. >> so what did you think of this story? were you drawn to it? >> yes. and so was my house full of people at the time. you know, one of the rare times after work we were entertaining, every tv was glued to it. and something smelled a little rotten when they found the boy and the boy was upstairs. you know, upstairs in a box in the attic. and then i had seen "wife swap." it used to be part of my regular lineup on friday nights when it came on network, i was familiar with this family. and so yeah, everybody wants their 15 minutes of fame, so they got it. >> but who's really more to

blame? the father and the crazy mother or the media for pushing this, like we're doing. >> the media. but, you know, you can put the carrot out there, you can dangle it, the parents took the bait, and so now there are going to be consequences and repercussions. >> i don't think it's the media's fault. >> thank. >> because we could otherwise be talking about health care, the cure for insomnia, or we could have this silver balloon flying through the sky with a kid in it. come on! which are you going to watch. every time there's a car chase on television or a helicopter that has a shot of something great, take it. we have 24 hours a day, i'm not going to say there are other networks, but there are tons of places to look for news. and if there's something interesting happening, i'm going to look. >> let's change the subject. i think we've pummeled this to death. let's talk about this other guy, keith bardwell, why is justice of the peace in louisiana who refused to marry an interracial couple. he says he's not racist and

tried to explain himself on the "early show" today. >> had countless numbers of people that was born in that situation and that they claim that the blacks or the whites didn't accept the children. and i didn't want to put the children in that position. >> lisa, why is it his job to decide what's best for the children that don't even exist yet. >> i guess he's afraid the children are going to grow up to the president of the united states, right? >> or the greatest golfer that ever lived. >> it's outrageous. i have two biracial children, so i'm not going to pretend to be objective on this question. he's out of his mind, he's blatantly violating the law against race discrimination by government officials. there was a wonderful supreme court case on this issue, called loving versus virginia in 1967, that says that people of different races can marry. it's unconstitutional to deny

them the right to marry, end of story. >> so is he going to go to jail? >> i don't think he's going to go to jail, because it's not a crime, but i think he should lose his job immediately. he should have lost his job the day after this story broke. i don't know why he's still out there talking and defending himself. >> but if this was a white guy and an asian woman, he would have the same response? >> i was wondering. i was wondering if he would have a different response if it was a black woman and a white man. there's something about the threatening power of a black man, subtly, in this country that only black men and the women who love them, regardless of the woman's color, only we would know exactly what we mean. >> and to back that up, he said, 99% of the interracial relationships are a black man and a white woman. and he also said, joy, i don't discriminate when black people come to my house, i let them use my bathroom. >> what an idiot. >> that tells you everything you need to know about this guy. >> some of my best friends are jewish, that whole routine. but the couple wants him to be

fired, but he's not stepping down. why are racists so stubborn? >> that's a good question. why, in 2009, does this guy still have a job? apparently, for 34 years this has been his policy and other couples have been discriminated against, they just didn't speak out. >> i was going to say, why is this, all of a sudden coming ei. >> and this woman, by the way, is a military veteran. >> it's like don't ask, don't te tell, same thing. it's ridiculous. but limbaugh is also saying he's not a racist. it seems to be in the air. do you think that when he called the nfl football players, like the bloods and the crips, that that was a racist remark? >> that had definite undertones of racism, of course. >> undertones? >> yeah, yeah. racism is not dead in this country. we can have a black president, we can have, you know, black people making great strides, but on the other side of that, racism is so alive, so prevalent, as prevalent as sexism. and if you're a minority woman,

you're a double minority. it's sufferable. joy, you know. you get sexual discrimination, ever? >> oh, yes, i have, i have over the years. >> still. >> you live with it in a way. there's not much you can do except for speak up. >> speak up. >> but that's so important. that's what's happening with the nfl. people are saying rush limbaugh is not acceptable. we don't care how rich he has, we don't care that he has 20 million listeners. you make these racial remarks, we don't want you here. >> but the bottom line is, they didn't want to lose viewers and support. because it's about money. >> maybe. but some people say, he wants to stir up controversy, wants to get better ratings. and they might get ratings if they had rush on, stir up the controversy. but they're taking a principled stand and i think that's the right thing. >> and they're an organization. they're allowed to make that determination. >> i'll be back with more wendy. but first, i've got one or two things left to say about this heene family. i'm not done. at the end of ""the wizard

of oz", dorothy travels back to kansas to develop a huge gay following. that's a different story. "the wizard of oz" was fiction, and as it turns out, so is the balloon in the boy story. the whole thing was a hoax. just like the florida recount. you know i'll never let go of that story. the boy's father, richard heene, rhymes with weany, allegedly hid his 6-year-old son in the attic so the family could get a reality tv show. not for nothing, but when anne frank's hid in the attic, it was to keep her safe. richard heene says he's an inventor, and he invented a scam that fooled the entire country and all the major news media. and as a reward for wasting everyone's time, this genius might get his own reality show. and trust me. if his ratings are anything like the ratings this stunt generated, he'll be divorcing his wife, dating the nanny, and getting a book deal with a $2 million advance.

now, that's a lot of balloons. and if he does end up with a reality show, what does he do for an encore? i mean, let's face it, it's going to be tough to top the biggest hoax since the leisa minnelli wedding. but that's just me. what do i know?

how you doin' is the official greeting of the "wendy williams" mess. you say it like this. i'm going to teach you and then we're going to go to the queen of sheeba. you dim your eyes like this. and when you get to the end of "doin'" you spread your bottom lip, i'll do it once, and then you can go to my website and take lessons. >> that was a clip from the "wendy williams show." and i'm back with the lively talk show host. wendy, when you spatted with among others, tupac, whitney houston, jay-z, will smith and

lil' wayne, my question is, do you ever fight with white people? >> i mean, i wasn't fighting with those people. joy, you know -- >> so what was it? i have notes here that say you did. lil' wayne, the bitch looked like a dude, her hair looks glued. is he talking about you? >> he's definitely talking about me. >> i wouldn't be so thrilled like that. >> if it weren't for people saying things like that, maybe i wouldn't be here with you on your show. but you came from radio. if you're on for a particular amount of time, you take phone calls and things like that. radio is just a different vehicle. television, it's a one-hour show, 44 minutes of programming, to those people and spats or what not, i wasn't fighting with anybody, i was entertaining. i was playing -- >> well, you were very popular in what you were saying, but yacht goo trouble. in 1995, you notoriously had rumors that tupac shapoor was raped in prison. >> i read something from the "daily news," i was taken off

the air for my radio station for 24 hours without pay. i read this directly from the news. but, you know, in that 23-year career, i've ended it on a high note. i'm being inducted into the radio hall of fame, the national one in chicago. >> that's nice. >> on november 7th. and i've left radio now. and i devote my time to, you know, the tv show. >> aren't you afraid to say something like that about tupac? >> i didn't say it! the "daily news" said it. if i pick something up and i read it and i give credit to the "daily news," you know,. >> you're more of a specific target than the "daily news." i mean, he can't exactly go up against the "daily news" as easily as one person. i'd be scared. >> but i wasn't -- >> you're fearless. >> and i am. i am. i mean, i've been through a lot in my career and i've been through a lot in my life, and i'm 44 -- 45 years old now. and i was just asked two days ago, what am i scared of. i said, nothing, and no one. i'm not scared of nothing, and no one, no circumstances, what not. i think that i have the resilience to push on to another

day, regardless. >> well, you should be scared of whitney houston, because she said -- because you were talking about her alleged drug habits and she said, if this were back in the day in newark, i'd meet you outside, but not now, because i'm a lady with class. >> i'm from new jersey, i don't know nothing about going outside and fighting no one. you know what i mean? >> do do you feel that now you're on tv, you have to be a little nicer to people than when you were on the radio, because you have to book the show. >> well, it wasn't that i was ever mean. i'm not a mean person. >> yeah. >> you can say the same things that i say, but because you're a white woman, you know, a new york city, you know, staple, somehow, you could say the same thing as me. they'll let you pass. >> not really. >> oh, yes, really. >> oh, wino, don't -- >> oh, yes. cindy adam, arnie archer. get back to hetta harper. we could say the same thing. >> i've got to go, baby. >> i really enjoyed this,

though. when we return. janeane garofalo.

it's really not pushing a point of view. and the bigger thing is that other news organizations, like yours, ought not to treat them that way and we're not going to treat them that way. we're going to appear on their shows, we're going to participate, but understanding that they represent a point of view. >> that's white house adviser david axelrod, blasting fox news on abc's "this week." the obama administration isn't shy about showing their disdain for fox. but is picking a fight with a tv network really a good idea? with me now, actress and comedian, janeane garofalo, an se cop conservative blogger and co-author of "why you're wrong

about the right." let me start with you, janeane. do you think it's a good idea? >> i don't think i would call that picking a fight and i wouldn't call that blasting. but i would say fox news in general has always been very unkind to any democrat, whether they be in the white house or outside of it. i would agree with that. i don't see the value in fox news, in going on fox news for those people. it's a very -- >> you don't see the value? >> no, i don't see the value. there's no reason for somebody who has something substantiative to talk about to go talk to hannity or go talk to bill o'reilly or fox and friends or really any of their very obvious propaganda -- >> machine. >> machine. having said that, most mainstream news networks are wanting. most mainstream -- or if not all -- corporate mainstream news entities are subpar and tell versions of stories. but fox, i think, with roger ellis and rupert murdoch has a

very clear mission statement. >> some people msnbc has a mission statement from the left. i think you would agree with that, right,ssy? >> right, and i think to janeane's point, they all suffer from some kind of bias. but the value of going on to a fox or msnbc is you're speaking to a huge swath of the country. and in obama's case, this is the very demographic he needs right now to get on board with health care in afghanistan. >> do you really think that they'll ever come on board with obama over at fox? those viewers? i don't even think they would ever come on board. >> well, if the obama administration would stop condescending and insulting and ignoring those people who don't like a public option, then, yeah, i think they would be more interested in hearing what he had to say, but they don't like being dissed, which is kind of what the white house is doing right now. >> i would disagree -- that's -- there's no condescension coming from the white house, and i would say the majority of the country supports a public option. fox's whole reason for being, if

you will, is to obstruct and to try and make inroads with the average fox viewer is a fool's errand. there's no way any of those people are going to go -- >> as comedians, we don't go in front of audiences that hate us. >> oh, sure. >> it don't happen. >> i don't deliberatedly do it. >> after a while, you say no. karl rove got his two cents in. >> this is an administration that's getting very arrogant and slippery in its dealings with people. and if you dare to oppose them, they're going to come hard at you and they're going to cut your legs off. >> is he talking about the bush administration? >> no, he's not. talk about the pot calling the kettle. i mean, come on, even you, s.e., has to admit this is complete hypocrisy on karl rove's part? >> no, i don't think so. i think he's absolutely right. you don't silence the opposition. that's just not politically a good move. honestly, it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense for obama to completely sensor an entire

demographic or an entire media organization that speaks to a large demographic. >> but karl rove is responsible for possibly win mean, allegedly, firing the united states attorneys who were not loyal to bush. so that's really silencing a whole group of people, isn't it, very similar? >> well, there were some nuances to that story that i don't think we have time to really delineate. you know, here. but, no, i think -- it doesn't matter who's saying it. i think karl rove is right. i think this is a politically silly move. it doesn't look presidential. it doesn't make the president look serious. it makes him look a little whiney. >> well, as, of course we're going to disagree with each other. >> no! >> i mean, there's just no two ways around that we will take opposing sides of this. karl rove is the master of silencing critics, and yes, he is responsible for the attorney general firings without any nuance, in addition to, you know, attacking any dissenters for the bush administration. but there is no censoring going

on. them saying they won't go on that show, some of them won't go on that show, has nothing to do with censoring. it's -- like i said, fox news is is a complete propaganda outlet. that is not to say other news outlets are good or -- in fact, they should all turn in their s.e.c. license. >> they seem to have the intention to be obscuring and obstructing the obama administration. i don't think that's the intention of cnn or msnbc -- >> during the bush administration, i think it was. i think it was. >> well, they were critical of it, but, of course, there were a lot of things to criticize. really a lot. >> i think fox is critical of the obama administration in ways -- >> but fox was not critical of bush. >> but it's filling a void. it's as a reaction to the lack of criticism, the lack of any vetting -- >> but don't call it fair and balanced. >> but you're talking about two different things. there are opinion shows on fox news like hannity and o'reilly and then there's hard news. i don't think anyone would call shepherd smith's show biased. it's straight news reporting. >> the only one i would go along

with is chris wallace's show. i think that chris tries to be fair and balanced. >> i don't know. >> and he has juan williams, a democrat on the panel, then he has some of the other attack dogs. but there's fighting within the democratic party as well. progressives aren't just taking on the president. they're now taking on senate majority leader harry reid in nevada. listen. >> i'm your typical swing voter. i voted for republicans for president and i've voted for president obama. i also voted for senator harry reid many times. but in 2010, i'll only be voting on one issue. i'm watching to see if harry reid is strong and effective enough as a leader to pass a public health insurance option into law. >> okay. now, since reid is in trouble in nevada and i think 53%, 52% of nevadans are in favor of the public option, is he going to be forced now to vote to that to push the public option? >> one would hope. he is -- i don't understand why

some democrats like harry reid are being as obstructionist as the republicans, when he is being weak, though, he should be called out. i agree with that. there's nothing wrong with infighting among parties. there should be. there shouldn't be any marching lockstep. >> it doesn't look like the public option is going to get any traction. the baucus bill hasn't got it in there. and i wonder how the democrats will do in 2010 if they don't get it? >> i think they would suffer for it, as they should. the public option should be in there. and there should be gracin -- is that his name? alan gracin, great guy, speaks with conviction and i don't know why there aren't more democrats -- there's a lot of great democrats, but a lot of them are too weak in the face of -- >> wussy. wussy. >> that's fine. >> and harry reid is a wussy. >> yeah, sure. >> he's a wuss. >> i don't like it. and in the name of so-called bipartisanship, which is a farce, there is, you know, there is no need to pursue

bipartisanship with a group of people that have no interest in bipartisanship. and so, yeah, he should be criticized. >> jump in. >> i don't know. i think i agree bipartisanship is really a silly kind of goal. but at the same time, i -- >> why do you think it's a silly goal? >> because we're -- >> isn't that the idea? >> politics are polarizing. these are incredibly important issues. people feel very passionate about them. trying to come to consensus is watering down these issues. and no one wins when you try to please everyone. people should stick to their guns. and frankly, if nevada, and i don't know if this poll is entirely accurate, but if it is, if nevada wants a public option, as much as i detest, harry reid should vote for it. absolutely, he should represent his constituents. >> let's switch to miss sarah palin, the media and fox news darling. she's in the news. she posted her resume on the social networking site linkedn. why does she do this?

she's looking far job, right? >> i guess it would make sense then. being industrious and posting her revenue. >> but she says that she's governor. >> but she was. >> that title lasts. >> i don't know. was ate joke? >> no, are you kidding? i don't think she has that great a sense of humor that she would pull something like that. >> she's unconventional, she's on facebook a lot, she twitters. i think she's reaching out in every way that she knows how and people like to say she's crazy, but she general proves out to be crazy like a fox. >> i don't think she's crazy at all. >> oh, well there are people who routinely call her crazy and a whole host of other names. >> would you call her crazy, janeane? >> no, i would say she's an intellectual incurious person with charisma. >> that's brilliant. very well put. but her favorability, popularity rates are going down.

and is it possible her 15 minutes are up? >> no way, that's -- no. she's been out of the spot a little bit, writing her book. >> maybe that's why she's doing this. maybe she wants to be the next paris hilton. >> i think that's a little cheap. but mitt romney's been out of the spotlight and his favorability is down a little, and mike huckabee's is up because he's on fox all the time. i think this sort of ebbs and flows and once her book is out, her ratings will go up again. >> people call me and say, do you think she'll have a shot at the presidency? i say, i lived there ronald reagan and george w. bush and i never thought those two mental messa midgets would ever become president, and they did. >> two of my heroes. >> you're so young and so bright. i hope -- >> that's what people are saying. >> she's very bright. >> i don't understand. >> thank you, girls. thank you, ladies.

>> we're not girls. we're men.

every time i turn around these days, there's a new study to tell me how unhappy i and my gender happen to be. the latest, over 33% of women are earning more of their husbands. now we're bringing home the bacon, frying it up, and are too afraid to eat it, unless we're on atkins. what's a girl to do? here to make sense of this is

marcus buckingham, author of "find your strongest life." the studies are showing that women are less happy than we all were 40 years ago. >> yes. >> do women just complain more or what's the real story there? >> they complain more than men genetically, they would have been complaining more 40 years ago. i don't think it is that. it's probably a couple of things. first, women are harder on themselves than men. if you ask men, what do you think will help you be more successful, building on your strengths or fixing your weakness, the answer will be 50/50. >> so the men accept their flaws. >> they move on and focus on the particular strengths they bring. women are harder on themselves and then feel guilt about not being everything they should be. you spend a lot of time thinking about who you're not. >> that's an interesting point. but women have more pressure on them, to look better, they spend more money and make less money.

you know, we are constantly under pressure to have everything. the kids, the job, a lot of friends, a great social life. we have to know how to make a piella, it's really annoying. >> feminism worked perfectly, because it gave women more and more choices and more and more domains in which you're supposed to excel. but the challenge there, if you've got a ton of choices, you have to make one and make sure you know the right one. for you, that puts an awful lot of responsibility on you to figure out, well, what are the right choices for me to make? what are the right definitions that i have for myself in terms of success. so some choice is good, a ton of choice can be incredibly stressful. >> what if you focus on the choice after you have three children? you really don't have the kind of time or facility to really pursue your dream. >> well, i think you have to start at the level, when we looked at the women in this book that bucked the trend. the women that were happy and were successful. they had kids, they didn't have

kids, some were very successful, some had jobs, some didn't, but they were on a happiness or upward trend. and our focus was to say, what, despite all the differences in life choices that they made, what did they have in common? whether they had three kids or not, they started with moments. they realized it was the moments in life that strengthened them. if you could figure out how to plug into life, it would find ways to give you the energy that you needed. you don't need to blow up your life and start again. if you've got three kids or a ceo, you start moment by moment, going, how can i imbalance my life this week towards those moments that invigorate me. >> so you basically would say, sweat the small stuff? >> absolutely. >> i was wondering what you were talking about. >> you look at the moments that matter most. you don't have grand dreams and visions. do i get invigorated by feeling the emotions of other people? do i cry with people and laugh with people? love that? or love seeing small patterns in things and building them into bigger patterns? what are the specific moments of my life that invigorate me.

>> i was interested in these myths that you say that we have. one of them is that at work women are relegated to lower level roles and they make less money. that is not a myth, that's a fact. >> actually, 37% of women are in management positions, 31% of men. now, at the senior most levels, still got about 17% of men versus the remainder being men. there is still some glass ceiling that remains to be cracked. and in terms of money, yes, it's actually about 80%, women earn 80% on the dollar. >> i think it's 77 cents, but who's counting. >> it's between 77 and 80. but that difference isn't really due to gender discrimination. when you look at what accounts for that difference, it's because in a 15-year time frame, women spend about twice as much time outside of the workforce because they interrupt their careers. as a result of that, their skills depreciate in the value of the market. >> that will make you unhappy. that fact alone could make you unhappy. >> it absolutely could. although money doesn't necessarily buy you happiness.

>> oh, how wrong you are. how about this. women with more free time are less stressed. i can relate to that. because when i was trapped at exit 60 on the long island expressway during my first marriage, i had not much to do. because i really didn't have a focus, i didn't know -- i was so stressed out. if i don't have a little stress in my life, i am stressed out. >> maybe that's because of who you are, though. you're the sort of person that likes to be able to have some kind of freson, some kind of friction. i think in terms of where we are now, there are some myths about where we are, but i think in terms of where where we need to move to. you've just said, i like a little stress in my life. i could put ten women up against the wall and they would say, they hate stress in their life. the goal is to remove the stress. >> but being a human being, you need a little stress on your life. evolutionarily, the neanderthals had a little stress, otherwise

we wouldn't be here. >> but what brings you stress will vary. >> and how you handle it. >> confrontation, you may be one of those people, the angrier you get, the more articulate you get. >> not really. >> there are some that of stres. others who are stressed by being intimate with someone and close and feeling someone's pain. for all of us it's a question, if we want to live a happy and successful and fulfilled life -- >> this one i love. kids, this is a myth -- kids want more time with their working mothers. if that's not true, all these women are off the hook. go to work, leave them with the nanny. >> this is what the stauddy showed. they asked 1,000 third to 12th graders what you want more from your moms. the moms said my kid will say more time. 56% of the moms want more time. 10% of the kids said that. the kids said i want my mom to be list stressed and tired. >> we're going to have more time with you. you want to know what catch and cradle means. this little phrase that's

driving me crazy. more with arthur marcus buckingham, next.

okay. we're back with guest marcus buckingham. author of "find your strongest life president" we're talking about how women can be happy without resorting to prozax. you have something in your book called a strong life test which i took. >> yes. >> how does the catching cradle figure into that? >> well, most the cliches is a woman finds balance. when you talk to the happiest, most successful one, they don't find balance. they find the moments in life that envision rate them. they pay for attention to them

and unbalance their life to those. >> it's selfish in a way? >> it gives them strength to support everybody who relies on them. it's self-focus in a sense it gives you the strength to provide. >> the other thing you said that i like, you don't have to be a bad mother if you do what you want to do with the kid. if the kid wants to read science books and you're not interested in science books, then don't do that with the kid. if you feel like going shopping with the child, go shopping with the child. do what you want to do with the kid. i love that. >> tilt your life to what invigorates you. your kid doesn't want you have to purpose and goals per se. >> they don't want a miserable mother. >> they don't. >> i took this test, okay? >> a life test. >> i like this question. your friend at work steals your i.d. and passes it off as your own. what do you do? i recognized her need and let her take the credit. i got much more mature in my older years. >> this testament measures you on nine life roles.

it gives you your top two. your top two were creator and teacher. creator is the prn who goes, you know what, i don't need to bother with the fact she stole my idea. i have a ton of other ideas. you're looking for patents that underlie things. reconfigure those to create more. teacher is, looking for -- you're one of the people who sees small increments of growth in somebody else and you get a kick from that. they sense they're inquisitive but not for the purpose of being smart. people are drawn to someone like that. >> at a certain point in my life i was going to be a comedian or shrink. a neighbor tells you heard from her son your teenage child is doing drugs. i picked, confront my child immediately and get him help. if someone tells me my child is doing drugs that means i have not been paying attention to it and i want to know about it. >> that tells me something about

you. there are a bunch of other things you could do. could defend your child against the person who told you about him. start with the child and figure out where they are at. that may seem like the only reaction that right. for you it's the only reaction that's right for you. this test gives you choices and helps you figure out which are the choices are right for you. it's like an internal compass. helps you where you will draw strength from life. >> let's recap. don't balance. pick what you want and go for it. >> tilt your life toward that. >> find little things in life, catch them and cradle them. >> exactly. don't juggle. catch and cradle. juggling is about keeping everything at bay. throwing things up in the air keeping it at bay. if you spend your whole life like that you'll never hold on to anything long enough to feel it. >> don't play football with your kid if you don't want to play football. thank you all for watching. good night. they said it would never last.

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balloon, racing through the sky. eyewitness reports emerge that something or someone falls thousands of feet to rough terrain near the colorado rocky mountains. after 60 miles of terror, the balloon lands. no boy. was he dead? was he injured? was he lying down some ravine with every bone in his body broken? oh, no. he was hiding in the family attic the whole time. blurting out on national tv, it was all, quote, for the show. on not one but two morning shows, that same child so nervous he vomits. when asked the same question. bye-bye reality show. hello cell block.

>> it has been determined that this is a hoax. that it was a publicity stunt. we believe that we have evidence at this point to indicate that it was a publicity stunt done with the hopes of marketing themselves or better marketing themselves for a reality television show at some point in the future. >> did you hear us calling your name at any time? you did? >> you did? >> why didn't you come out? >> you guys said that we did

this for the show. and tonight, a college football star on scholarship, university of connecticut, at a college dance, stabbed to death. who cut this all-american's life short? nobody knows? at a college dance, packed with students, nobody knows? nobody sees a thing? no way. tonight, who ended the life of 20-year-old football star jasper howard? >> a huskies homecoming dance party turns deadly. after an alter case ends in the stabbing death of star cornerback and father to be, jasper howard. >> jasper's autopsy results find 20-year-old jasper howard died of a single stab wound to the stomach. just before he was killed howard called his mom. >> i talked to him for a while that night. i talked to him.

now i can't even talk to him no more. >> it happened after a fire alarm went off at a dance on the student center. this happened after midnight. hundreds of people ran out in the streets and a fight broke out. >> as far as what the alter case was about, that actually is a subject of continuing investigation. >> we have not identified a suspect in this case. however, we are pursuing active leads. >> i hope whoever did it turns himself in. he didn't deserve this. he didn't deserve it. and tonight, live, texas, a 3-year-old little boy in extreme danger. stolen from his own home after the boy's young mother found murdered on her bedroom floor. why? you know what? i don't care why. i just want to know, tonight, where is 3-year-old mitchell ramero?

>> an amber alerlt issued for 3-year-old mitchell romero, whose mother was found murdered inside the family home. police believe mitchell is in grave and immediate danger. >> after 6:00 denver city police arrived to 212 east tenth's street to find veronica romero found inside. >> the boy was last seen in the company of his father. inside a gmc yukon with texas license plates. romero, also the husband of mitchell's mother and victim, veronica romero. >> weave been talking to family members on both sides, so it's just a matter of time before we're able to talk to them. >> three of veronica's sister visited with police. a sister back at their home told us 33-year-old mario romero abused veronica in the past and said it's, quote, a sure thing

he's her murderer. >> romero is considered a person of interest in veronica's murder. reports surface romero may be trying to take mitchell across the border. >> good evening oop. i'm nancy grace. thank you for being with us. live, colorado. the whole country on pins and needles. a little 6-year-old boy's life hanging in the balance. a beautiful, silver space-like balloon soaring through the clouds. tonight, apparently it will all end in felony charges. bye-bye reality show. hello, cell block.

>> these people are actors. the way they met and established their relationship was in acting school in hollywood. so needless to say they put on a very good show for us. and we bought it. >> absolutely no hoax. i want your questions in the box. i'll get right back to you, okay? >> one of the guys told him it was for some tv show, so that's what he was referring to. >> oh. >> that's what he was referring to when he made that statement. >> i know i want to point out that the sheriff's office said last night that they believe your account of what happened but they do want to question you a little bit more. >> straight out to dan simon, cnn national correspondent, joining us from the heene home. dan, thank you for being with us.

what's the latest, dan? >> reporter: well, i can tell you richard heene is doing something he doesn't normally do, nancy, keeping a low profile today. we saw him emerge from the house once with his entire family, got into a pickup truck. apparently drove to a grocery store. he's back in his home tonight. not making any statements. probably on the vice of -- on the advice of his attorney. in terms of how this all came to light, what we are hearing from authorities is that they wanted to bring richard heene in for questioning and did so -- used a little bit of trickery. they told him, come to the sheriff's station. we'll give you what's left of your silver balloon. heene drives over there. thinks he's going to pick up the balloon. lo and behold, the cops start questioning him. from what we understand, they administered a polygraph. we don't know the results. in any case, they questioned heene. their investigators came over to the house behind me and questioned the rest of the family. they questioned the wife and

questioned the children and at that point after all the questioning was over, authorities were convinced it was absolutely a hoax. nancy. >> we are taking your calls live. joining us at the scene, ft. collins, colorado, cnn national correspondent, dan simons. to peter marcus, "denver daily news." peter, take me back to the very beginning. what happened? >> well, you know, the whole world was held captive. we thought little falcon was flying across the colorado skies in a flier saucer balloon and then this weekend, you know, we hear from the sheriff's department they're saying this whole thing was a hoax. >> i want to go to clark goldband, our producer on the story. a lot of people took a look at this thing and were convinced nobody could actually be inside of it. where was the boy the whole time? >> nancy, law enforcement investigators actually decided they wanted to contact aerospace engineers who used to work for the u.s. armed services to

determine whether it could actually hold the 36 pound boy, falcon. at first, law enforcement searched that house at the very outset and did not find falcon. they admitted a few hours later maybe we didn't search that home as thoroughly as we should have. it turned out later falcon was then believed to be up in the crawl space or attic that whole time. however, since then the sheriff of larimer county has said it's not clear. falcon could have been somewhere else and come back, himself, to the home. >> dan simon, back to you, joining us at the heene home. dan, how did the whole thing crack wide open? >> reporter: you know, there was that interview last thursday on "larry king live, can "wolf blitzer was hosting and there was that question by the father, richard heene, to his son. said, hey, when you were up in the attic did you hear i calling your name? the boy says, yeah. he says, why didn't you come out? he says, well, we did it for the show. everybody saw that and it immediately raised suspicions on the part of law enforcement,

everybody who, of course, was watching this. authorities grew suspicious. they wanted to question the heenes. they also put up a public front supporting the heenes and did that because they wanted to continue to have their trust. over the weekend, they brought in the heenes for question. they brought richard into the sheriff's station. they administered a polygraph at that time. then investigators came to the house, did another line of questioning and we don't know if there was confession or whatever was said. all we know is after those interviews took place, authorities came out and said it was a hoax. >> let's take a listen to what happened on national tv. >> did you hear us calling your name at any time? you did? >> you did? >> why didn't you come out? >> you guys said that we did this for the show. >> one of the guys told him it

was for some tv show. so that's what he was referring to. >> oh. >> that's what he was referring to when he made that statement. >> i know, i want to point out that the sheriff's office said last night that they believe your account of what happened, but they do want to question you a little bit more. >> falcon? you okay there? >> uh-huh. >> you sure? >> he's tired. >> he's not quite awake. >> i feel like i'm going to vomit. >> oh. >> you okay, buddy? >> no. >> yeah, he's -- i think he's queasy. >> the child's so sick when he was asked that same question after his appearance, being interviewed by wolf blitzer on cnn, he vomits.

on national tv. unleash the lawyers. sue moss, alex sanchez, anne bremner. anne bremner, high profile lawyer joining us out of seattle. what's your defense of parents that apparently put their child on the air? he blurts out, we did it for the show on cnn. then when he's asked that question again, he's so upset he vomits on national tv. on "today" and abc. >> nancy, i knew you were going to ask me that. it's a terrible situation. nobody died. it was a hoax. >> please answer the question. >> my defense is that we've got to see all the facts in the thing and life doesn't imitate art. it imitates bad tv.

>> felony charges may be filed against richard and mayumi heene for claiming their 6-year-old son was on board a homemade mylar balloon when it float the away from their backyard thursday afternoon. >> it wasn't until the larry king show where the family was interviewed by wolf blitzer that we had the first ah-ha moment. >> did you hear us calling your name at any time? you did? >> you did?

>> why didn't you come out? >> you guys said that we did this for the show. >> when wolf talked to the father and the father was asking him, you saw the one little boy look at the mommy like uh-oh. >> the fact he wanted his child to lie for him. that's the lesson he's teaching his child. that's the damage here. >> they are my clients. i heard a lot from them. obviously this is something the public rolls their eyes at unfortunately. but the presumption of innocence should be given to them.

>> oh my god, oh my god, my son. if she lied to 911 about the life of her son, susan moss, alex sanchez, anne bremner. susan moss, what charges could they be facing? >> absolutely filing a false police report, also endangering a child and others. their parental rights might go up, up and away. or at least the time they'll be in jail which could be a maximum of 13 years based on the felonies they could be charged with. >> sanchez? >> yun, it's incredible. it's like the world has this couple convicted already. based upon the information i have seen and read, i don't see enough evidence at all which would justify an arrest at this point. maybe the police have information we're not aware of.

based upon what i have heard, there was simply -- this case is based on speculation, on theory, and on suspicion. you come into court with evidence. >> let me refresh your recollection, alex. to you peter marcus with the denver daily news. what can you tell me between reported communications between a research assistant or prior employee with mr. heene many, many, weeks before regarding a stunt like this? >> yeah. i think that was obviously the big twist to come out of this today. is that gawker.com, this website, they say they purchased this story from a robert thomas who's a 25-year-old researcher, working with definitely richard heene on developing some sort of science-based reality television show. in their conversations richard had mentioned that he could establish some sort of a publicity stunt on the level of

roswell. he's a bit of a ufo guy. and that, you know, could create quite a buzz, quite a stir for the reality show they had been developing. >> right. to dan simon, how long before this stunt actually occurred were these communications? >> reporter: communications between who, nancy? >> between the employee and mr. heene. >> reporter: you know, i really am not sure how long they were talking, but you know, one of the things i think is absolutely fascinating that we heard today is that this balloon, everybody has seen it, when you take a 37 pound boy, they had a physics professor come in and take a look at it. they said it's absolutely no way it could have lifted off the ground. another compelling moment to this bizarre case. >> as it turns out, those conversations about this stunt took place last march. this is how long this has allegedly been in the planning.

straight out to special guest joining us, mary skiavo,

former u.s. department of transportation inspector general, also an aviation attorney. mary, thank you for being with us. the police, the sheriffs, national guard, volunteers, faa, the airport closed down, the commercial carriers. everybody cooperated to try to find this boy and save his life. the whole time the family allegedly did this as a stunt. >> that's right. and the faa certainly will have something to say about it. it's not surprising that they have joined the investigation and there are a number of things they will charge, but usually they can an do a civil penalty of fines. things like operating an aircraft without an air certificate, violating commercial airspace and constructing this aircraft without a proper license. so there are many charges they could bring against them. compared to the felony charges. >> to dr. leslie austin, psychotherapist. the boy is vomiting on national tv when pushed on these questions. do you think he was asked to lie?

what does this mean about their custody? >> i can't say for sure if he was asked for lie, but he's certainly under stress. custody is a questions. i think it's scandalous what they're doing to this little boy. ddddddddddddd

university of connecticut is mourning a star football player, soon to be dad. >> it all started around 12:30 sunday morning when someone pulled a fire alarm in the u forcing the crowd of more than 300 people, uconn people and others, outside. that's when a fight started between the two groups and 20-year-old howard and one other were stabbed multiple times. >> one of the victims who was stabbed has actually died. jasper howard of a uconn

student. suspect remained at large. >> there was an alter case. he got stabbed in the stomach. he went through surgery. 4:00 i call, the doctor told me he didn't make it. i was here at home watching the game. i watched the whole game. after the game he called me and was very excited. i talked to him for a while then i talked to him and i can't talk to him no more. >> straight out to al jones with 1010 wins joining us at uconn campus. al jones, i don't understand how at a college dance, i mean, certainly you've been to a college dance before, at a college dance, a fight breaks out. the place is packed with

witnesses. a star student scrubbed in sunshine, a good kid, gets stabbed to death. and nobody sees a thing? i don't believe that. >> well, there are some witnesses. they have talked to a number of students who were there. they also have another football player by the name of brian parker who was actually there and has helped them identify at least one person involved in the fight. that person was arraigned earlier today on charges of breach of peace and obstruction of justice. not charged in the stabbing, mind you, but held on $100,000 bail. they're asking for others students to come forward. there are security cameras around campus. it's the matter of, did they manage to catch some of the action on tape? >> to marlaina schiavo, our reporter, producer there also at uconn campus. marlaina, let me get something straight. has an eyewitness told police

who did the stabbing? >> reporter: police have not said that any eyewitnesss have told them who did the stabbing, however, nancy, police have indicated they may know who this person is because they said they don't think it's a uconn student. now, how would they know that? they obviously have someone in mind that doesn't go to uconn but might be a part of this. >> marlaina, what do we know about this young man? >> reporter: we know, nancy, he comes from miami. he was on a full athletic scholarship. he was a star football player. he won this huge game that day. he was at the dance that night. we know that he came -- his mother said he came from miami, you know, to get away from the violence. unfortunately, that didn't happen the other night obviously. we also know he was a father to be. his girlfriend is pregnant. she's here right now along with his mother and that's what we

know right now. >> take a listen to what police had to say. >> this is a dance, a scheduled and sponsored dance that was occurring at the student union. at 12:26 while the dance was going on, someone pulled a fire alarm pull station which evacuated the dance out on to the street. there were approximately in the neighborhood of 300-plus people who were attending the dance, and they were in the street. an altercation occurred and concluded with a stabbing of two individuals. >> my thought and prayers go out to his mother because as many of you know, the background where he grew up, through young childhood, through high school, to not only live through it but to get through it and be able to

get a chance to get out of there was a miracle in itself. the idea of him coming all the way up to connecticut where his mother thought he was safe, that he would grow up into a better man and come back and support his family like he was planning on doing is heartbreaking. >> i just hope whoever did it turns himself in. because he didn't deserve this. he didn't deserve it. >> to marlaina schiavo, our producer at uconn campus. what more can you tell me, mar lain la? >> reporter: i can tell you right now there's still a killer on the loose. no one is in custody for this crime. we also know that jasper died with -- the cause of death was one stab wound to the abdomen.

obviously the manner of death is homicide. so we have no idea who did this, but cops are eager to find out more information, nancy. >> okay. marlai marlaina, i want to clear something up. first you told me that they think they know who did it. because that's not the impression i had at all. so if you would be so kind to clear up for me what exactly the status is, marlaina, because you've given me two completely different answers. it's my understanding that witnesses are not naming a killer. and they were all right there. do we have a composite? do we have a name? is anybody giving it up? >> reporter: no. not at all, nancy. that's what i said. no witnesses have given up the name. the only thing police have told us is they are pretty sure it wasn't a uconn student. they've narrowed it down to that aspect. no, there are no names flying around. there's been no witnesses that have -- not one witness has come forward to say this is who did it. >> out to the lines.

p.j. in massachusetts. hi, p.j. >> caller: good evening, nancy. bless you and your family and your beautiful twins. >> thank you. thank you. >> caller: my twins just turned 3 and she's my only child and has 7. i'm just baffled that there is absolutely nobody that would come forward. how in the world can someone not come forward when there's all his so-called close buddies there with him? they had -- >> let's unleash the lawyers. susan moss, alex sanchez, anne bremner. to you, bremner. like when shukure was killed. he was killed on the street, on the vegas street. it has thousands of people on it, 24/7, 365. nobody saw a name. nobody can name who did it. no matter how much it was investigated.

same thing here. nobody knows anything. nobody can give a name, nobody can give a good identification. that is b.s. think about it, think about it, anne, when i go home to those twins tonight, my prayer is i live to get them through school, to get them into college. here's this young man, he's making it. he's on a scholarship. he's finally making it. and then this happens. did you see his mother crying? there's a baby on the way. the mother, the baby and nobody will talk? i tell you what, if one of those witnesses were your client, anne bremner, all hell would break loose if i was on that prosecution team. let me tell you. >> that's the thing, nancy. you're so right. i've seen it in cases sense i was a baby prosecutor. hundreds of witnesses and no one saw a thing. homicide right in front of them. that horrible, horrible dynamic in these cases. hopefully someone is watching your show right now and sees and

comes forward. somebody saw something. he was stabbed to death. >> to you, dr. perper. how could one stab wound inflect so much damage? >> because the stab wound to the abdomen can go upwards and can hit the heart or major blood vessel such as the aorta or major veins. one single stab wound which is deep enough and directed to the proper direction is going to cause death. >> i mean, look at it, doctor. look at this video of him. he's young. he's athletic. he's giving 200%. he's out there slugging it out on the field. he's attending classes. and this. to be stabbed to death at a dance. everybody, we are taking your calls. i want to give you the tip line. 860-486-4800. tonight, a mother's heart is broken. we are taking your calls. to tonight's safety tip.

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a promise you, not only will he live on through his child's life, but he'll always live on through this team's heart and others. >> at least two of our guys when this took place, one had jasper in his arms and the other was pressuring where the wound went in and, you know, had blood, you

know, on his hands and those two young men i know are pretty deeply affected, you know, right now. >> about 12:33 a.m., uconn police and general patrol were notified after a stabbing that just occurred off of hillside road in the area of the student union. the police officer investigating quickly determined there were two stabbing victims in close proximity to each other. >> howard and another student were stabbed and howard died. no suspect has been named. >> there was an altercation. he got stabbed in the stomach. he had went through surgery. 4:00 i call and the doctor told me he didn't make it. >> both stabbing victims were taken to area hospitals. one treated and released. howard pronounced dead hours

after the incident in st. francis hospital in hartford, where his coach stood watch all night. a campus wide alert was issued early sunday and uconn pd stepped up patrols around the campus in wake of the incident. they're working with state police on the investigation. >> back to dr. joshua perper. you were explaining how one stab wound could cause so much damage. >> well, if a stab wound is applied to the upper portion of the abdomen, there is a possibility that the track of the wound is going to be directed toward the heart, so the person may have a stab wound in the heart which may be fatal. in the same way, one of the major arteries of the body, the aor aorta, can be cut. this explains why the death could occur so fast and not able to assist the person because apparently there was medical assistance or assistance even very early after the incident

occurred. >> to sergeant scott haynes, sheriff's officer, santa rosa county, florida. what do you make of the fact no one is coming forward with a name or description of the killer? >> in a situation like that, there was a fire alarm that was pulled. there was a lot of chaos going on. a lot of people were outside. so there was a lot of distractions. some people may not have been focusing their attention to something like that. unfortunately in stabbing situations there's no noise, there's no gun shots. there may be people who weren't aware this actually went on due to their attention diverted to other places. that does make it more difficult. there were obviously some people right there who know what happened. hopefully they'll come forward. >> sergeant, i'm sorry, somebody was speaking in my ear. can you repeat that again? sorry, i couldn't hear you. >> sure. the fire alarm that was pulled, that die verks there was chaos

from that. a large amount of people. with a stabbing situation there's no gunshot. it's a very quiet crime. the people who are in the immediate area may have known what went on, but this person, if he was taken by surprise, he probably didn't realize what happened right away. so some people may not even realize that they witnessed a stabbing until they hear about this on the news and maybe they'll start coming forward. there was a lot of things taking people's attention in other directions at the time. >> i want to go to dr. leslie austin, psychotherapist joining us out of new york. dr. austin, why is nobody coming forward forward? >> people may not have seen it or they may have been frightened. you need to let the police do their work and get a lot more details. somebody will say something somewhere soon enough and they'll find their man. >> we're taking your calls. sandy, ohio. >> caller: hi, nancy, my husband, mark and i don't miss a show. i have a two-part question if i

could. are the college dances like the high school dances and you must attend there to go to the dance? >> i can tell you that right now. no. because there were non-students and college students there. go ahead. >> caller: okay. the second part is, was the fire alarm pulled to get everybody outside so this could happen? is that what they're thinking? >> good question. al joans with 1010 wins joining us at uconn campus. al, what do we know about the fire alarm being pulled? >> the alarm was pulled at 12:26. you had a lot of confusion. people leaving from different exits. you may have had 300 people coming out but not all to one collective place. i talked to one student who said there was a number of people arguing, pushing and shoving. if you think about it, nancy, if you shove somebody or stab somebody it's the same motion in the dark. the fact nobody saw the stabbing or have not told police about it is not that surprising.

>> al, i've investigated many, many, many homicides, and more than i can even count. i find it very, very difficult to believe that nobody in a packed dance at college saw who took a knife and stabbed this young man to death. i don't believe nobody saw anything and i find it very hard to believe that no one is coming forward. to teresa in michigan. hi, dear, what's your question? >> caller: hi, nancy. i'm a big fan of your show. thanks for taking my call. >> thank you and thank you for calling in. >> caller: i was wondering about the fire alarm pulled, too. would they have a camera on thothe e person that pulled the fire alarm? sounds like it was a setup to get him outside. >> you know, teresa, i'm under

the same thing. back when annie le was murdered, remember, at yale? the police kept saying there was no connection between the fire alarm and the murder. b.s. now, here with so many people there, i think it's more wasn't connected, but didn't you say there was surveillance video? >> there surveillance cameras and police will only say numerous around camps and you not give us a set number. whether they were trained on that one spot, they did not share that information with us. >> good. joining us from 1010, quickly, everyone, i want to tell you about a 3-year-old boy missing and his mom dead. take a listen. >> police are desperate to find a throw-year-old boy believed to be in immediate and great danger. mitchell romero's mother was found murdered in her home. mitchell was last seen with his father in a maroon yukon with texas license plates.

>> to michael from woai, what happened? >> to bring you up on the latest, veronica romero was laid to rest today in denver city, a town of about 4,000 people. i talked to a worker and they said it's been at least a decade since there has been a murder in this city. her husband may have murdered her in cold blood and has their 3 year-year-old son with him. police are eager to speak with him.

next on "showbiz tonight," new outrage over the alleged balloon hoax. are the kids in danger. >> a fight over the term cougar, older women with younger men. marge simpson's scandalous pictures in "playboy." at the top of the hour. >> back to michael with woai. you will have to excuse me, i have gotten a horrible cold from my son. michael, the mother is found dead in her bedroom floor by whom? >> by her sister and she may

have been dead a couple of days before her sister found her there on the bedroom floor. >> michael, that is the most significant part of the puzzle to me. this guy apparently has gotten several days of a head start on police. >> have very easily he could have slipped across the boarder to mexico. the drive to el paso is about hours, very easy to do. the border passing is probably the busiest in the nation. there literally thousands of people streaming back and forth all day and easy to blend into the crowd. >> sheeba in illinois, i have 45 seconds left. what's your question and hello. >> caller: fixing to go through the terrible twos. >> i'm ready. >> caller: when was the last time the father was seen in that vicinity? >> good question. what do we know?

>> the last time he was seen was last week. they don't finish he was with the child. they live together in the same house because earlier this year he pled guilty to beating her up. he is capable of doing anything to make him mad. lord only know what is he will do with the child when the child starts crying and asking where his mommy is. >> tip line, 806-592-3516. help us find this little boy in so much danger. let's stop and remember army national guard jeremiah holmes, 27 in maine, killed iraq. ordered the blonz star and purple heart. loved playing horseshoes and lost his mom at 13 to murder and did not live to see her killer brought to justice. leaves behind grandmother vivian

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