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breaking news tonight, live, florida. a beautiful little second grader looks like an angel walks the ten-minute walk home from school with her sister and little twin brother, all of their little friends. she run ahead. gets separated just moments, broad daylight, 7-year-old somer thompson never seen alive again. 4:00, only an hour later, mom rushes home, flags down police.
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no good. bombshell, tonight, 55 miles to the north, no tip, no lead. police spend countless man hours c sifting through about a hundred tons of garbage after trailing somer's orange park trash truck. there's no other way to say it than just say it. they spot the little girl's legs sticking out of that filthy garbage. who, who would murder this beautiful brown-eyed little cher you and throw her away like trash? before somer's murderer lands in hell, we want this child killer now. >> and i want you to know that i will not sleep until this person is found. i hope they get you.
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and hope they make you pay for a long, long time. you don't take from somebody. you didn't take her from just me. you took her from my family. you took her from all of these people and you don't do this to a little baby and put my baby in the trash like she's nothing. it's not okay. this is not okay. >> we can now say officially that the medical examiner there has positively identified the body that was located in the landfill yesterday as the missing child from orange park, somer thompson. >> this predator, this sick, i don't know what i'm allowed to say, but this sick man, person, what -- he's not a man, he's not a person, was waiting. he'd been waiting and that was the perfect opportunity. there was no one else around. that's the only thing that i could think and probably told her, i'm going to take you to your mommy. >> there is a child killer on the loose and that's why we're going to catch this person and
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bring them to justice. >> watch out, we're coming. we're going to get you. and tonight, live, to the heartland, a 9-year-old little missouri girl who played with little friends walks home, still daylight through her own neighborhood, no more than a quarter mile. that's only about a thousand feet. she never makes it home. the little girl is afraid of the dark. tonight, as the sun is setting, where is 9-year-old elizabeth? >> law enforcement urgently searching for 9-year-old elizabeth ulton. elizabeth vanishes on just a quarter of a mile walk from her friend's house to her own sometime just want my little sister home, safely and i don't know who would have done
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anything, but we all want her home safely. >> law enforcement scouring the area, on foot by atv and by air. elizabeth cell phone sends out signals but drops off. law enforcement now believes the battery is dead. >> i think as a parent, how difficult it has to be to cope with the idea that your 9-year-old baby's not home. >> as desperate golden hours tick by and the race to find elizabeth. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. live, orange park, florida. 55 miles to the north, no tip, no lead. police spend countless man hours sifting through about a hundred tons of garbage. after they trail somer's orange park trash truck to this dump. there's no other way to say it than to just say it. police spot a little girl's legs sticking out of that filthy garbage.
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. >> i just want him found. i want someone to have to pay for what -- for what has been done to my family. her and i were just really a lot alike. we had the same personality. and i just miss holding her. and giving her a kiss. and not knowing if i actually said i love her. i know that she knew that. but just never know. >> it's with deep regret and sadness that i have to inform you that a body has been found in the landfill in folkston, georgia. my son, when he found out, my oldest, he punched things. he just balled. he just fell out. and for a child, a son, a boy, i know men don't show emotion a lot, but we, all of us, my whole entire family, my friends, everyone were devastated.
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i can't believe that they would put my baby in the trash. >> we have a suspect out there somewhere who's watching this broadcast right now and i don't want to tell that suspect what we're doing. >> understand. >> but i will tell him this, we're coming to get him and we're going to find who did this and we're going to bring that person to justice. >> we're going to get you. >> straight out to tiffany griffith with wokv radio. she's standing by there at somer's home. tiffany, thank you for being with us. i -- i knew that they were searching the landfill. police insisted they did not have a tip of any sort, but they found the little girl. what exactly happened? >> well, as we know, it is routine that whenever investigators have a missing child or a missing person in the area, the first immediate thing they do is, like they say, follow the trash and follow that trail and they went immediately to the dumping ground where they know a lot of the garbage from
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this orange park neighborhood goes. and it did lead to the discovery. >> tell me the time line -- elie jostad, what can you tell me about the time line, as to when they found the little girl? >> right, well, nancy, this was just tuesday morning. one of the investigate oat the sheriff's office suggested they follow the trash from her neighborhood to this landfill. they searched tuesday. wednesday, about 3:00, they discovered that body. and the body was there through the night as they continued to discover or search for evidence in the immediate vicinity. at 2:00 a.m., little somer's body was transported to the medical examiner's was on when she underwent an autopsy. >> tiffany griffith wokv radio. everyone, we are taking your calls live. we're about to be joined by somer's neighbor, ms. rukab. tiffany, how did they identify this as being the little girl? >> well, as we know from following that time line we knew
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as of yesterday they had made a development and discovery of a child's body. by early this morning preliminary tests did show that this was the body of 7-year-old somer thompson. by this afternoon, they could confirm via dental records that this was indeed somer. >> joining me right now from the somer's home lisa rukab, this is somer's neighbor. she knew the little girl very well. her entire family, her little twin brother, the mother, all of them. ms. rukeb, thank you for being with us. >> you're welcome. >> ms. rukab, as a victim of violent crime myself, i thought i knew the pain that murder victim's families go through, but i don't think that anything could compare to losing a child. when did the family find out that a body had been found in a trash dump? when did the police tell them
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thi this? >> i'm guessing last night. 6:00ish, 7:00ish. we had our suspect suspicions and then at 9:00 p.m., they had confirmed it to the family. >> did they confirm it was little somer through a birthmark on her body? >> yes, ma'am. >> how are -- i mean, i've seen the mom, but how are the little brothers? how's the twin brother and the sister? how are they holding up? >> they're as well as to be expected. they're young. so we really don't really know what's going through their minds right now. but they're very, very heartbroken. it's probably going to take -- this will follow them for the rest of their lives. >> oh, oh, of course, of course. what are they telling the little brother and sister about where she is, about what happened? >> i'm not sure.
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i haven't really heard that but i'm sure they're letting -- they're not hiding anything. i don't think that they're, you know, covering anything. i think that they're full, letting them know everything that's been going on. >> when they were told that a body had been found, did they know immediately that it was somer? or were they holding out hope that it was somebody else? >> we were definitely holding out hope. we had heard that there were two more in clay that we also did not know about. so we had optimism that there would not -- you know, the odds were on our side that it may not be me how the mom is doing? >> diena has really impressed me. i don't think that i could have held up as well as she's really done. she's gotten strength from somewhere to come out and talk to the media and be thankful to
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everyone. she's -- she's, you know -- she's really doing, you know, good on this front. but at home she's probably going through her own little need time away and quiet time and stuff. >> ms. rukab, just looking at this little girl with those beautiful brown eyes, little bangs, i just can't imagine somebody grabbing her by the arm and taking her away and hurting her. what was she like? what was the little girl's disposition? >> very playful. she's very open-minded. she's a very smart little girl. she knows everybody. she's a very -- i guess you could say, she would basically be someone you could connect with. she's very friendly. she loves people. she loves kids. she loves to play.
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. >> i just want him found. i want someone to have to pay for what -- for what has been done to my family. >> diena, so many people have come and they've given food. is there anything you need? >> my baby back. that's all i can say.
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just wanted to come out and again say thank you to everybody
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who looked for my baby who has been taken from me by someone. and i said yesterday on the news that i didn't care if you've ever gotten into trouble, i want you to know that i will not sleep until this person is found. i hope they get you and hope they make you pay for a long, long time. you don't take from somebody. you don't -- you didn't take her from just me. you took her from my family, you took her from all of these people and you don't do this to a little baby and put my baby in the trash like she's nothing. that's not okay. this is not okay. she really, her and i were just -- we were really a lot alike. we had -- we the same personality. i just miss holding her and
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giving her a kiss and not knowing if i actually said i love her. i know that she knew that but you just never know. watch out, we're coming. >> dina? >> we're going to get you. >> that is the mother of little somer renee thompson, a little second grader who has lost her life. her body was found in a trash dump. police, after countless man hours are sifting through nearly a hundred tons of garbage, 55 miles to the north of orange park, florida, they found the dump by following the trash trucks as they left somer's neighborhood. see a little girl's legs sticking out of the trash. it is somer. to the lines. shawn neflorida. hi, dear. >> caller: hello. how are you this evening? >> i'm good, dear, what's your
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question? >> caller: i am very sad. 15 day ago in jacksonville in that same subdivision they had an attempted abduction and i'm wondering with the kids walking home, no one heard her yell. there was a lady and two white males in the vehicle for that attempted abduction and i just have this gut feeling whensoever whoever abdulkted this child she felt comfortable enough where there were no screams. i live 1 fine minutes away from there. plenty of kids are walking from home at the same time. soap i just think it's really odd that there -- that no one heard anything during that busy time of school. what do you think? >> i think it's very odd too. and tell you, we are hearing about that prior abduction attempt. this was just the week before somer was taken. a little girl 5 years old, similar to somer, just a block away apparently a hispanic
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female and two males in the vehicle tried to tell her that her mommy wanted her to come home and they were to take her. now police are saying they don't know that was an abduction attempt. they don't know if it was connected. but if those are even remotely the facts, shanney, in florida, i think there has to be a connection. out to tiffany griffilgtith, wokv radio. tiffany, what can you tell he that prior attempt? >> what i can tell you about that prior attempt is that the mother of that child and also the person who acted as the good samaritan who clearly saw something was wrong and quickly acted to work in the best interest of that child made sure that that child got home safely and she said that she turned around and the vehicle that had apparently approached that other little girl had zipped off just as soon as she'd arrived on scene. investigators are telling us exactly as you said that it doesn't look like this has any connection to somer's disappearance. and that, yes, they also do have
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more questions and don't necessarily want to label that other incident as an abduction attempt. >> hm. elie jostad our chief editorial producer. i understand that police are looking at -- and also the answer to shanney in dploerda. how could this have happened without screaming. you could easily get kid in a car and nobody hears a thing. but what can you tell me about police looking at a vacantnous a park across the street from where she went missing? let's see that map again, norm. go ahead, elle. >> right, nancy, this is 1080 gano avenue. gano avenue is the street that somer was walking down with her brother and sister when they got separated. apparently there is a vacant house. there was a fire in this house several months ago. it's been vacant ever since. out in front of that house is where they now believe somer was last seen. so they've set up a mobile forensic's unit to search that house. >> tears have dried up and i'm
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just -- i'm so angry, i can't express with words of disregarding my child like a piece of trash. i hope they crucify him. i t
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off she was upset and she got to a point and decided to stop and wait and that this predator, this sick -- i don't know what i'm allowed to say, but this
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sick man, person, what -- he was not a man. he's not a person, was waiting. he'd been waiting. and that was the perfect opportunity. there was no one else around. that's the only thing that i could think. and probably told her, i'm going to take you to your mommy. >> to marc klaas. everyone, we're taking your calls. not only is the little girl found dead, she has been thrown away in the garbage. police find her by noticing her legs, the little 7-year-old girl's legs sticking out of tons of filthy trash. marc klaas, that scenario that her mother has put forth that someone was waiting sounds true. it has the ring of truth, i think that's what happened too. >> i -- i wouldn't doubt that for a moment. the first thing i'd like to do, though, nancy is offer my condolence to somer's family. i know what they're going
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through. i've been there myself. they are in a bottomless pit of grief right now. and hopefully they will be able to extricate themselves. but the reality is that of people that murder little children as a result of an abduction, 57% of them have a history of previous convictions of violence against children. the most common scenario, or i should say the most common victim -- let me put it this way. 72.6% of these children who are kidnapped will be dead within three hours. 74% of those victims will be little girls. more than half of all children that are murdered as a result of an abduction are first picked up within a 1/4 my their home and a full 1/3 of those kids are the first contact is made within a
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half block of the home. the obvious lesson in this is that we cannot allow our children to go outside unaccompanied, bottom line. >> watch out. we're coming. we're going to get you.
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>> we love you. >> thank you. >> i was alone here so i held my head and i cried. ♪ you are my sunshine ♪ my only sunshine ♪ you make me happy >> my son when he found out, my
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oldest, he punched things. he just balled. he just fell out. and if a child, a son, a boy, i know men don't show emotion a lot, but we, all of us, my whole entire family, my friends, everyone, we're devastated. i can't believe that they would put my baby in the trash. >> there is a child killer on the loose and that's why we're going to catch this person and bring him to justice. i fear, i fear for our community until we bring this person in. this is a heinous crime that's been committed. and you know we're going to work as hard as we can to make this community safe. >> there's no measure of punishment that you deserve upset the same death my daughter went through.
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that may sound really hard but that's my daughter. >> we are taking your calls live. we have received word that a child's body has been found in a trash dump. there with over a hundred tons of trash. 55 miles to the north of orange park, florida, home, somer's body has been found and identified. first, identified by birthmark and now through dental records. there is no doubt that this body is the body of 7-year-old little somer. we are taking your calls. to abigale in illinois. hi, abby dale. >> caller: hi, nancy. god bless you, nancy, for your relentless pursuit for justice for victims of horrific crimes. >> i don't -- i don't feel like that. when i was listening to the mother singing, not too many hours ago, i had the twins at
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the playground on the swing and i was singing that very song to them and they were laughing and the sky was blue and it's just very hard to believe that not that far away they were identifying this little girl's body and i wonder how many days and nights this mom sang that same song to somer. i'm just sick about it. what is your question, love? >> caller: thank you, nancy. i would like to know if the police have checked out all the sex offenders in somer's city? also let alone in surrounding cities? >> let's go out to tiffany griffith, wokv. with that question. and not only that question, what more, tiffany, can you tell me about that park across from where she lives and that vacantus that they're zeroing in on. i mean, if somebody's in that vacant house, by god, certainly they left some sort of forensic trail. >> both good questions.
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what we do know as far as the sex offenders in this area that with the original search in a three mile area they looked at 57. expand five miles and add an additional sex overs. they've checked within 90% of those sex offenders and still five that they're looking to question. they told us they've been able to clear all of those sex offenders that they have discussed. and that doesn't mean that they won't go back and still do some additional interviews but for right now, they don't have a specific sex offender linked to this crime. and now as far as that house on gano avenue, we do know that it is vacant. there was nobody living in it at the time. it was owned by a family. but they weren't living in that home. we do know at some point it was also involved in a fire. that home we do know that somer was walking past it, last she was seen by witnesses. not necessarily saying that she actually went insisted house. we don't know if maybe she was dragged in but we do know that she was walking past it while
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last she was seen as was saying across that street is a park. investigators are looking into a restroom there where a bag of evidence has been taken from the rest room. we don't know what is inside of it but we do hope to learn more. >> i want to go to bethany marshall, psychoanalyst and author of "deal breakers." bethany, we're getting floods of calls and e-mails and an overwhelming question is why? why? you know what i used to ask that in my head since prosecutors don't have to prove motive. i would be sitting in the courtroom looking over at some defendant who committed a crime a child or a murder and i would think, why? why? but then after about five years of beating my head against a cement block, i figured i don't really care why. i don't care why. all i care is that i get the right guy and that he gets justice. but why? you're the shrink. why would somebody want to grab this little girl by the arm? if she's walking home from school at 2:45 p.m. with her
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friends, drag her into a vacant house or stick her into a car, probably torture her. probably sexually assaulted this little 7-year-old girl and then murder her. why? what drives somebody do that? >> you just put your finger on it, nancy. the number one reason for child abduction is sexual assault. and the research is just -- it's horrifying. the research shows that usually these guys use pornography in order to field their wish to kill. it shows that only two-thirds of the men whop commit abduction, sexual assault, homicide, have a prior arrest. and of that population, only half of them have an arrest for a crime against a child. so it is not enough to look at a sex offender registry to determine whether or not you're safe in your neighborhood. of these offenders, they go to jail. most of them have a history of offenses against children for 17
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years. children are not immune from sexual assault simply because they're close to home. marc klaas was right, half of these child abduction homicides occur within three blocks of the child's home. keep your eye on your children. >> you know -- >> don't let them walk to school alone. >> -- brought up something really interesting and i want to go through this list that we came up with, norm, about who could possibly do this? very often, you will see that children are abducted by people they know. and i'm not talking about crazy uncle weird. the familiarity could be more to you related like elizabeth smart. the person who abducted her was someone that mom had hired do odd jobs because she felt sorry for the guy. then there is of course jesse lunsford. she was taken by couey who lived in her neighborhood. megan kanka. danielle van dam was taken by westerfield. may he rot in hell.
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he was a neighbor. martha moxley was murdered by a neighbor. one of the kennedy clan. the list goes on and on and on. and it doesn't necessarily have to be a relative or a close family friend. but someone they are in contact with. someone that knows them. we are taking your calls live. first, i want to go to tracy, sergeant in cinco. k-9 handler of the search and recovery specialist of homeland security. tracy, cadaver dogs were used in this case. how does it work? >> yes, ma'am. landfills really offer a unique challenge to dogs and to teens because of all of the debris, the contamination, it really requires the dog some intensive search to pinpoint where that person might be. it's oftentimes dogs will aler in the a landfill to things that we may not even be searching for such as bloody rags. other things. the dogs will pinpoint all human remains in a landfill.
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so it's not unusual for them to alert even the thing that we're looking for is not there. what we're going to demonstrate too is that here in the studio are two debris piles and we're going to kind of simulate how the dogs can be effective in a landfill even though the challenges are there. the dog's going to tell us what pile to search for further evidence. cinco, hunt. so what you noticed here, he went through this pile here that tells us that there's nothing here. so he went to this trash pile and he's telling us, we need to check in this area. so from there, investigators will go through the tons of debris to find out what is that dog responding to? is it responding to the little girl or is it responding to something else? at that point in time we will reward the dog and then we will tell the officials, check in this area. but landfills offer, again, a very unique and very tedious,
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difficult challenge for dogs. but they can be effective in landfills. >> with us tonight from homeland security, tracy sergeant, and her cadaver dog, cinco. we are taking your calls live. but if you're just joining us, the news reporting tonight that the child -- that the body of a small child has been found in a trash dump. and it is 7-year-old somer. as we go to break, we ask for your thoughts and prayers for georgia friend of the show. lucille dent set for surgery, a real beauty in her youth. never missed a sunday in church before entering a methodist home for seniors. she tunes in every single night. ms. dent, please, stay strong.
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we can now say officially that the medical examiner there has positively identified the body that was located in the landfill yesterday as the missing child from orange park, somer thompson. her family has been notified of these findings. as you can imagine due to the investigation, we are not in a position to discuss the cause or manner of death or any other details of the autopsy. but i will tell you that her identity was verified through dental records. >> please, you don't have to tell them who you are, you don't have to -- you're not going to be in trouble if you give the answers. just help us find who this is. don't let another -- i never thought in my -- in all of my life that i would ever have to do this. be -- even know anybody, i don't want to see another parent feel
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empty. >> let's unleash the lawyers. joining us tonight, richard herman, renowned defense attorney out of new york. hugo rodriguez, defense attorney, former fed with the fbi out of atlanta. well, richard herman, i don't know how many death penalty cases you have worked on but this would certainly be one for the books. there is no way once this perpetrator is caught that there will not be a death penalty sought. no way! >> no way, the outcry from the community's going to put enormous pressure on a district attorney's office. they are going to have to bridge it. >> they don't need pressure. don't act like this is a political decision. take a look at this little girl. nobody needs to exert pressure, richard. >> yeah, they need the pressure here and they're going to get it, nancy. it's devastating. this case is absolutely devastating on behalf of all of the criminal defense attorneys you invite on your show, this is absolute devastation. to hear the parents speak -- >> you know what, please, please don't. just -- i appreciate the
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sentiment but just save your breath because some defense attorney's going to feel like it's their duty under the constitution to try to get whoever did this off. we all know that. you know, hugo rodriguez, in the state of florida, as in every state, there are certain mitigating and there are certain aggravating factors that are looked at when the death penalty is sought. this would certainly fit into the florida death penalty special criteria, but it may end up being a georgia case because when you don't know where the crime was committed, you prosecute where the body was found. yes? no? >> yes, as to your answer. but i'm in florida, florida has a death penalty. duvall county, where there is from, will prosecute more than likely. and they have a history near florida and they will charge murder one, plus kidnapping, which would cause not only death but an additional 50 years a prison would never get out of
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jail and i agree with herman. >> okay, number one, it's wade county, not duvall. >> excuse me. >> but number two, another legal theory for it to be handled in florida, which i believe has a better death penalty record than georgia does, would be that even if this child was murdered in georgia, even if the crime began in florida? >> the crime did become in florida. i think from forensics where they found the body they're going to find other things that will tire to that community where she was abducted and it will be in florida and as you said, we have a history in florida of bringing these death penalty cases one of the largest in the country. >> yes you do, and richard herman, correct me, it's clay county. but richard, right now, what would your advice to be to -- be to the killer? >> to the killer. >> yeah. because you know throw -- throw a bone for pete's sake. of course it's a him.
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>> see that's the problem. it's not necessarily a sex offender or a him. you can't just focus on those groups. yes, you have to investigate them. but don't limit it. that's sunday schoolteacher naught poor little girl in a suitcase and threw her in a river. you cannot limit it to that group. >> you know what, richard herman, put herman up please. i stand corrected. you are absolutely correct. we do not want to limit the search. everyone, we are taking your calls. i want to go out to marc klaas. marc, weigh in. >> well, you know, the gal that murdered sandra cantu is the only female predator that we're aware of. she's the only female pedophile i think that we're aware of just as we didn't know anything about female psychopaths before -- before -- we didn't know anything about this until this gal had murdered sandra cantu. about this is most likely a man. he he's most likely a sadistic psychopath and he doesn't care what you, i, or anybody else
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think. he did this for instant self-gratification without consideration for the consequences of his crime. >> very quickly to bill majewski, what are your thoughts, bill? i think i have got bill majewski with me. >> that vacant house that's in florida, i think that's going to be a treasure troph of forensic evidence that they're going to be gathering as we're speaking now. hopefully they will then, with that evidence, be able to connect that murder to the individuals that were involved in it. >> back -- >> all of kind of dna evidence will be there and a multitude of other things. >> back to lusr lace rukab. they don't even have the little girl's body. >> no, ma'am. i'm thinking as soon as savannah gets finished and we get her back home, we do have a funeral home here that's -- that's taken
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care of everything. as far as what they're doing right now, we're just waiting for her to come home so we can go from there. >> and to dr. michael bell, how will they be able to tell if the child was sexually molested? >> well, they'll do a rape or >> they'll do a rape or sexual assault kit and look for body fluids in the usual places. >> with me, dr. michael bell, palm beach county chief medical examiner. we'll take your calls. as we go to break, it's national breast cancer awareness month. tonight, womens personal health resource founded nine years ago by oncology nurse barbara whose mom fought cancer struggled to find wigs and everything she needed to fight that battle, women's personal resource helps breast cancer patients with skin care, scars, exercise, lounge wear, swim suits, all from masectomy and lumpectomy and research patients. if this battle touches you, go to womenspersonalhealth.com.
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i want to take you to another story of a missing girl tonight. hopefully you can help us. very quickly to lad egan, news director, anchor news affiliate kcrg. what can you tell us about 9-year-old elizabeth ole ton. >> a 9-year-old fourth grader. last night at 6:00 p.m. heading home to her house from a friend's home, only four houses between the friend's home and her home, a quarter-mile walk,
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and she disappeared somewhere going home. >> but, lad, wasn't it only about a quarter of a mile, but it's only like 1300 feet. >> yeah, a very short distance. and -- and the family called the authorities within 45 minutes of her not arriving home. so not a lot of a time frame we're talking about that she went missing in. >> okay, to our producer on the story. matt, what happened. >> she was walking over to a friend's house at 6:15 p.m. when the parents saw she didn't arrive, she called cops. cops have gotten a ping on her cell phone behind the house in the woods. but, the family is suspect because they're saying that the -- they're saying -- the family is saying that the -- she would never walk in the woods, number one, number two, she was terrified of the dark. so there's no way she would have left the cell phone there. >> good point, good point. lad, back to you. lad egan joining us from krcg -- matt has a point. but to me, that simply means she
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would not have entered the wooded area herself, someone dragged her there or discarded her cell phone there? >> exactly. that's what we're talking to authorities about. they say the family says they only walked on the side of the road, although sometimes she would walk behind the back yards of all of the houses to get back to her house. but she would not have walk in the woods. that's what the family says. ened that cell phone -- the battery is now dead. they can no longer ping its location. they've searched in that area all day long, they went through the area twice, they vice president found the phone and haven't found her. >> everyone, the tip line for this little girl. another missing young girl. 573-634-9160. we're talking about elizabeth olten, just 9 years old from the heartland, st. martins, missouri, please, look at this girl. everyone, let's stop and remember army staff sergeant juan campos, 27, mcallen, texas killed, iraq.
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on a second tour award the bronze star, purple heart. meritorious service medal. remembered as a leader who always smiled. maria, three brothers, two sisters, widow jamie, one son, andre. thanks to our guest, but thanks to you for being with us. special good night from friend of the show, v.g., virginia. what a smile. everyone, i'll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp eastern. and our prayers tonight with little summer and little elizabeth's family. god bless them. until tomorrow, good night, friend. on tonight's "joy behar show," anne coulter will be here. my lefty friends hate when i have her on? what am i? glenn beck? i like to hear the other side. they like swinging the bat at a
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young production assistance. and this presence -- a man who's seen and written about it all. he'll be right here.
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tonight, as the white house's war of words with fox continues, ann coulter will be here with a few words of her own. plus george w. bush has finally stopped cutting brush so he can make some cash as a motivational speaker. what is wrong with this picture? and yet another high-profile cheating husband has been playing law with the system. oh, yeah. all this and more right now. well, we disagree on just
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about everything under the sun, but somehow we can maintain a civil discourse because we're adults, that's why. conservative commentator and author of "guilty, liberal victims and their assault on america" ann coulter. >> you always have trouble with names when you're on with me. fortunately, it wasn't mine last time. >> i have trouble with my teeth. i want to tell you first of all, a lot of people on the left do not like it that i have you on my show. >> i think they're jealous because i won't go on their shows. >> people like richard belzer the other night, munch from "law & order." he said why are you having her on your show? she's a fascist. they start calling you names. what do i say to these people? >> up -- >> that i'm not a fascist. >> this is taking too long. >> i don't know. i kind of like having them call me fascist. i have difficulty putting myself
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in your position of caring about that. that's why it's taking so long. >> i think people would like everybody to agree on every show. >> since it's all the trend now, i will quote chairman mao -- it's a good thing, not a bad thing to be attacked by the enemy. >> sure that's not martha stewart. >> or mother teresa. >> what's the first reaction when you heard the white house was taking on fox news? >> i -- i'm not -- obama must be on vacation or something. i mean, it's so massively stupid. and now everybody's out there speculating on why he's doing it to try to get, you know, the other networks not to cover the stories of government corruption that fox is covering. which is the most likely reason. >> the acorn story? >> nea, van jones, kevin jennin jennings. as one of your fellow liberals points out, they're not covering it anyway. how does that explain? i think it's because they can't
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help themselves. >> the president said -- he weighed in on fox news for the first time on nbc's "today requests show, listen to this. >> what our advisors said is we are going to take the media as it comes. and if media is operating basically as a talk radio format, that's one thing. and if it's operating as a news outlet, it's another. but it's not something i'm losing a lot of sleep over. >> people are pissed off -- he is too, because fox lies a lot. they lie. let's give you an example of glenn beck, for instance, one of your pals. he said that 45% of doctors say they'll quit health care coverage if reform passes now the ama endorsed obama's overhaul in july. that's not true. >> the ama doesn't represent all doctors. 45% of all doctors. that's like taking a poll of what lawyers say and then saying
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the aclu doesn't say that and that's a group of lawyers. the ama is to lawyers what the aclu is to lawyers. >> do you -- >> you can't call that a lie. you can say i don't like this poll. take my own poll. you can't call it a lie. >> he says it's a lie. >> with my conversations with doctors, i'd say it's 90%. i agree with you. it's the wrong number for how many will drop out of the practice of medicine. >> the ama you have to give some credence. >> it's like the ama does not represent all doctors. what's one this ama? they say -- they say it's tall doctors who can't practice medicine anymore. they're all losers. >> last time you said most people don't like the public option. that's up to 5 2%. >> that's phony. >> your polls are not phony, my polls are? >> you're calling it a lie.
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>> it's separate. >> try to keep up with me. >> fox can put on what you said and say she told a lie. she said 57% support the public option. >> 52%. >> 52%. the one glenn beck cited was a poll he saw. >> how about this one. the only country that has automatic citizenship. that's not true. brazil has it, canada has it, guatemala has it. >> okay, that's -- assuming you are right, they are and i did not know that. i've not looked at what other countries make you a citizen for simply being born here. but the point is that isn't a lie. >> okay. >> it's a mistake. look, if you're going to talk that much, he has a radio show. he's got a tv show. if you're going to talk that much, people are going to make errors and trip over themselves. to jump down -- they treat fox news like they're stalin and everything has to be analyzed.
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there's more respect for roman poe lance i can than fox news. little contessa brewer on msnbc was introducing jesse jackson and introduced him as al sharpton. that's a little bigger than making a mistake about how many people -- >> i'm going to defend contessa brewer. >> if you're going to defend glenn beck, you're defending contessa brewer. >> how about hannity? the cash for clunkers you can go to the junk yard, tow it to your house, and get $4500. that's not true. you have to own the car for a year. why is he putting that out? >> how about the one from my column that went out today with everyone on msnbc citing the willie horton ad as a race of racism and the introduction of vicious personal politics. >> he was pretty vicious. >> no. no -- they keep doctoring what they're claiming was the bush ad to make it look like they showed
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a picture of willie horton. anyone who knows anything about the 1988 campaign knows that george bush never showed a picture of willie horton. they scrubbed it from that ad. >> george the -- >> that was 1988. >> that was his campaign against dukak dukakis. >> correct. it was a fantastic ad. the furlough program was unbelievable than letting convicted murderers out. >> can't go back that far. >> you're going to go back that far, that's a light being promoted nightly on msnbc. the point is the lies on other stations are so much more egregious, so much more irrelevant. you disagree with a poll because you have a poll that says something different. that isn't a lie. >> what about karl rove? this annoyed me also. can we get that sound on tape for karl rove? he's spoken out about the fight too. listen to this. about fox. >> if you go out and call an entire news network, you know, out, and basically tell the rest of the media don't emulate them, don't follow them, don't be like
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them or we're going to attack you too, it's across the line. this is an administration getting arrogant and slippery in the dealings with people, if you dare to oppose them, they come hard at you and cut your legs off. >> that's the height of hypocrisy. sh this is the same guy that outed a cia agent. he's talking about vindictiveness from the left? give me a break? come on, ann? >> i'm not following the parallels at all. >> vindictive. >> george bush was -- >> they come hard at you and cut your legs off. >> george bush was interviewed on cnn by larry king. he was interviewed by brian williams, he was interviewed on all of these stations. he never stood up and said don't listen to dan rather the way the president of the united states tells congressional republicans don't listen to talk radio and fox news. >> didn't he get dan rather fired from cbs? >> he got himself fired by running lying slanderous mocked up national guard documents on
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the news against the president in a time of war. instead, you never heard george bush say don't listen to dan rather then obama gets his feelings hurt. i tended to agree with what rove said there. at first -- >> of course you did. >> why is it the white house doing this? you have helen thomas and all of the liberals saying, wow, this is stupid, there's -- people are wondering why the white house is doing this. that's why i said, at first, i thought it's not bleeding, they don't want fox stories picked up other places. they make the excellent point they're not picking them up anyway. it's to raise money from the base. i don't think so. you got money from the base by attacking snox. >> it might be a distraction from the fact that progressives are on his case about the public option and afghanistan. just like george bush used orange alerts to distract us from his shenanigans i'll be back with ann coulter after this. >> hey, i had more.
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it does offend our values when executives of big financial firms, firms that are struggling, pay themselves huge bonuses even as they rely on taxpayer assistance to stay afloat. >> i'm back with ann coulter. what did you think of the president -- what do you have to say about that getting the money back from wall street. >> i say aha, ha, ha --
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>> to whom? >> to wall street, who gave more money than they've ever given a president. i feel about them about the young college kids who supported obama to make a fashion statement and they're all out of work now. enjoy the obama economy. wall street gave more money to obama than any other presidential candidate. i hope you got to go to nice parties in the hamptons. now your bonuses are cut. >> you think they should get the money back? >> i can't stand it. >> bush was the one that started the ball rolling. they gave him the money when he left office. >> it was like that compared to now. i was against that. obama took it up in a big way with all of his goldman friends working for us. wall street is joined at the hip with democrats and republicans get saddled for defending wall street. they don't like us, they don't vote for us. screw them. >> we see republicans, money.
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that's how people think. >> we're the small businessmen. they're the money manipulators on wall street who do not create anything, make society a better place, enormous mansions and they run for governor in new jersey. >> i said it today, i'll say it before and i say it again -- the mall should have given the bailouts. who are you afraid of? timothy geithner or frankie -- see my point? >> that's good. i vote for you. >> conservatives say we're going to turn in to sweden. what's wrong with sweden? have you been to stockholm? >> they're a little bit socialist. >> it's a country -- >> it's not sad and useless. >> i don't think you're going to count on sweden to, a, invent pharmaceuticals, b, protect the sea lanes. the rest of the world has no military because thank you, united states, we're here to protect all of the pip squeak countries. >> we're too good. more wars -- >> why do you want to be sweden?
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>> more military buildup. that's what we're known for. great? >> pharmaceuticals. you're not going to have any pharmaceuticals being invented. democrats have a genetic inability to understand the market -- how things get invented. do you know how much it costs to bring a new drug to market. it's something like $800 million for a new drug. so, yeah, you can say once merck has figured it out, well, i can get those ingredients for $4, why are you selling it to me for $100. you're never going to figure out what the drug is, it will be the end of the patent office in 1700. >> all right, you go -- >> i have a lot of information in. >> you did. you did. but you know, it's interesting that you can get health insurance for viagra -- you know -- >> yes! >> they will pay for viagra but you will not pay for birth control. don't you think that's interesting? >> i don't think they should pay viagra. i don't think they should pay for people to have babies.
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i don't think you should pay for parnlg counseling. you should buy catastrophic insurance which you cannot because government intervention. >> why not have more babies? >> why shouldn't they pay for me to have an addition on my house. it's -- >> it stimulates it economy. it puts people to work. >> and people will stop having children? >> what do you want to go back to? the 19th century where nobody paid anything and people are on the streets begging. >> no, we already have medicare and medicaid and the chips program. we have socialism mucking things up. and particularly with the restrictions on insurance companies as we discussed the last time. >> i want to change the subject now. because it's my show. i saw a report that said threats against obama are straining the secret service. what do you think of that? a newark airport guard was arrested for making threats against the guy. what the hell is going on? why are there so many threats? >> up -- i -- i do not -- i mean, i do not know what the
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evidence is. i would be shocked if there were more threats against obama than there were against president bush. >> i'm telling you, trust what i'm saying. >> i think they may be more aggressive about investigating it. >> he's getting more threats. >> as i have witness in my own life but described him guilty, every presidential assassination or attempted presidential assassination was committed by a left wing loon or they had no politics at all. >> the home grown terrorists are the ones we have to worry about. >> they're all liberal. >> you can't make that jump from murderer, terrorists, to liberals. it's outrageous. >> it's all described. assassin by assassin and moreover, you can go to -- >> they're not liberals, ann, they're murders, they're terrorists. stop it. >> what's theology. >> stop it. >> they are communists --
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look -- >> they're communist. >> lee harvey oswald tried to move to the soviet union. he was on his way to cuba. he was a communist. you have one after another of all of these guys -- so it isn't good -- it isn't because obama is liberal. if something happens to him, it will be moveon.org. >> it's because he's black. let's just say it. >> no -- >> yes, it is. >> maybe liberals -- liberals are a little racist. >> she says it with a straight face. that's what i love about her. >> they are. would you like examples? >> no. i'm -- i don't want to go in to that. it sounds -- >> charlie rangel or the democratic party treating governor patterson? >> charlie rangel is on the way out. they're after him. >> jumping on his case but leaving chris dodd alone? they give the head of the dnc -- >> you act is if the republicans don't attack their own -- don't go after their -- after 100 years. they go after them in -- >> if you're comparing -- >> the democrats are going
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against their own the same as the republicans. >> putting them in the same universe -- >> liberal and charlie rangel as the same category with timothy mcveigh? >> no. no terrorists are liberals. therefore -- >> charlie rangel. >> new discussion. >> no. you have completely combined conversations to create a frankenstein's monster. >> you think you're the only one allowed to confusion the discussion. >> liberals are racists and my evidence of that is how liberals are going after charlie rangel but not chris dodd the way they go after patterson and roland burris. >> they would have to go after karl rove. valeri plame. cheney. >> did not make donna brazil the head of the dnc. howard dean will take the wasp by the green pants. donna brazille is the smartdest of the democratic party. she's not made head of the dnc. >> don't -- >> because when we come back, i want to talk about george bush
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and see who's smart. back with ann coulter in just a second.
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i'm back with one of the very few blond conservative women i know. i heard president bush is getting a new gig as a motivational speaker. look at some of this material. >> oh, boy. >> our enemies are innovative and resourceful. and so are we. they never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people. and neither do we. >> we've got issue in america -- too many good docs are getting out of business. too many ob-gyns are not able to
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practice their love with women all across this country. >> teach a child to read and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test. >> if you're a single mom in america, you're working hard to put food on this family. >> families is where this nation finds hope, where wings take dream. >> there's a saying in tennessee -- i know in texas -- fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. fool me, you can't get fooled again. >> he's funny -- he should be a comedian. him being a motivational speaker is mark sanford being a family therapist. it doesn't work. what do you think of all of this? >> despite the total tendentiousness of that little clip, he's not the strongest speaker. it hurts it republican party. you need a good speaker except for fox news, the entire media
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is against us. >> the victimization, don't go there. >> it's very important to have someone like reagan who can speak and republicans feel that most of all right now. >> ray gone could not speak without a script. the rhetoric was so simple -- tear down this wall -- gorbechev is like, okay, he said to tear down the wall. let me tear it down. i mean -- >> no, what happened was cheers went up across the wall in east germany and in a matter of years, it went down. >> gorbechev's word not reagan -- >> this is cover in treason. >> i know you talk about the saint ronald reagan, the right gets -- >> she's almost in tears. >> ronald reagan, to the contrary, reagan or palin or i guess bush comes up, you're the ones who need to go to the therapy. i don't know if it's motivational speaking. you do need the therapy on the three of them. as for motivational speaking, i think motivational speaking is kind of moronic and stupid and someone who maybe listened to
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too much motivational speaking -- >> was who? >> huntley who just sending the letters to the espn guy -- you know, all of that was about how i'm really motivated and i have motivation and ambition and i can do anything in life. maybe had too much of the motivational speaking. what is motivational about bush is what he can say, not necessarily the pretty language or the idiotic things that you get from motivational speaking sections. >> i mean, come on. >> what? >> that's -- >> that's your argument? oh, come on. >> what's he going to say? nothing perks me up like invading a country? what's the motivation? what's he going to say? >> he's -- >> may have finally learned how to say nuclear. laura bush -- >> that is a weird thing. >> she must be like, it's nuclear, you idiot. >> he wasn't the only one. jimmy carter can't say it. >> my friends hate it when you're on the show. but i love it. i appreciate it. seriously.
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sincerely. >> we're putting that on a clip. i want a clip of behar mispronouncing -- >> i'm not the president of the united states. >> george bush -- >> back off.
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. another powerful position has admitted to an affair with a assistant. i was shocked too. what makes this tabloid friendly is his 22-year-old mistress has watched fatal attraction one too many times. hide that rabbit, kids. joining me to talk about men and the ambitious younger women who love them are comedian nick
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depalo, lauren lake, attorney and "let me tell you" and the author of "lawyers suck." he has an affair with a young woman. she breaks it off. she goes to his house. listen to the 911 call -- >> it's scary. but isn't this what happened when you fool around with a 22-year-old girl and you're 30
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years older than he is. >> a real love story. >> a wacky environmentalist, she drives a prius. a left wing nut case. >> what is this guy thinking? >> she's very, very unattractive. >> how is that relevant? >> wait a minute. >> he's not thinking. >> it is interesting. it is interesting. it's a good point. his wife is a real babe. the 22-year-old -- i don't want to say anything derogatory, it's always interesting when you meet the other woman because she's not quite what you expect. >> never are. >> prince charles. he drops diana, the beauty, goes with -- >> horse face. >> the rottweiler -- >> the guys are not thinking. >> i'm quoting what -- >> i'm -- >> they're not thinking. >> it's a different part of the body. >> you get a little money, power, success, halfway decent looking. it's a recipe for infidelity in these cases. and it's unfortunate, 22 years old. >> how unfortunate. >> and -- >> oh, no.
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>> 22 years old? >> i love this argument from women. 22, she's so young. you guys don't drool over young guys. >> i married a young guy. my husband is ten years younger than me. >> he left me. i married a hot guy. i'm going for an old 90-year-old billionaire. >> emotional needs. >> thank you. >> contacts it 16-year-old son, this crazy girl on e-mail. she poses as a teenager when she does that. asks questions about the parents' relationship, and it's now being reported that she hired a stalker through craig's list to harass phillips' wife. >> you can hire a stalker. >> he didn't know the gun was loaded. >> i'm doing my own work. >> you're terrible. >> been hiding in bushes. >> you don't know what you're getting. >> look at this picture from "the new york post." look at the picture? have it. we will get it. there it is. he posed with her. he's a moron. >> clearly -- >> she's mentally a little off,
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right? >> the picture was not a setup. >> no. >> she definite ly is two sandwiches short of the picnic. creditable enough to get a job. >> no. >> she was there. did you read the letter? >> jack black. >> i read you part of the letter. i'm 22, i'm not stupid. to top it off, steve has a big birthmark on his crotch -- >> that's not true. >> which part? how do you know that? a big birthmark on his crotch above his penis and another left inner thigh. you know i'm not being fake. >> that's disgusting. >> she did the whole letter. she said, i want to -- hi, it's just writing you, the wife, to let you know i si'm having an affair with your husband. the last two kids is because he's guilty over bad affairs. in case you don't think we're talking about the same guy, let
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me describe his crotch. that's bizarre. >> that's how paula jones got clinton in trouble in the first place when he was the governor of arkansas. remember that? >> yeah. >> she identifies genitalia and that led to the impeachment case. >> when will these men learn? >> written a letter, put it in the house. >> put him up -- >> thank you. >> not going to -- >> will you quit acting like we're wired the same, men and women. we're totally different. are we pigs and dogs are aren't we? >> we are wired differently. i don't know what your beef is with me. i'll tell you my beef with men -- my beef with men who continually cheat but expect sometimes there's going to be a ramification. this girl is a nut case. granted, the same time, when are you going to learn? >> yeah. >> not talking about you. >> everyone -- >> hold on a second. that argument doesn't go.
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men are pigs. i've had some experience. >> some men are pigs. >> it's the green room just before you hit me. you're lovely. this woman is 22 years old. women go to the field. they like getting hooked one powerful men. clearly she's off. but you can't blame it on the men. these women are inclusive. >> you guys are missing my point completely. what i'm saying is that once you make the vow and you're married to someone. i'm not yelling, i'm passionate. once you make the vow to someone and you're married, all i'm saying is don't you owe the duty and care to your wife to -- >> that's my point. if you're not -- >> let him talk. >> can i ask a question? in the history of show business, has it never been a famous woman who cheated on her husband? where's that story? >> we're not doing that now. >> you hear that? we're not doing that right now. >> it makes a nice argument. >> next segment. >> would you cover that story if it happen? >> don't you think married men
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should pay attention to this type of story. >> we learn this stuff in high school. >> a lot of women say their husbands calmed down after they saw that movie, for good reason. you remember that movie? >> yes. >> the interesting thing about this movie and the whole argument. michael douglas has this swanky great life, hot wife -- >> michael douglas, the actor? >> in fatal attraction, the movie. he had this perfect wife. all of a sudden, one weekend the wife went away up north. an opportunity, i'm going to take it. he's presumably happily married and he thought he could get away with it. that's why he did it. >> jimmy kimmel is going out with someone on staff. but he's not married. we're not getting too upset with him. it was not a guy. letterman wasn't worried when he was fooling around. he was in a committed relationship for 23 years. what is it about men.
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why do they do anything with the men in their wives for a few minutes of nookie. >> how did you know the wife didn't have a deal with letterman. you can do whatever you want. you can do whatever you want, you make $40 million a year and i can live like a queen, i'll turn a blind eye to you. >> cynical because they can. >> i just made that up. >> interesting because of the interesting correlation for that is john edwards. he was running for president. and he had an affair and probably an illegitimate child and he thought he could pull it off. >> it's the oh go. it's ego but at the same time, if you don't know who you're with and you don't know -- >> oh, please. nothing to do with ego. >> doesn't -- >> no, it doesn't. >> a person has -- >> let's hear from the men. i want to hear. what is the motivation. he's telling us. >> it needs to be scratched. it's nothing to do with ego.
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it's stupid what he did. but men are risk takers. >> so it has nothing to do with ego. >> it's more risk than women. >> how come he gets so tipped off when the wife does it. the men go crazy when the wife is having an affair. >> who goes crazy? >> their egos are injured and -- >> men go crazy when -- when they're married and is a custody suit and they lose their kids because all of the laws benefit the life in this situation. you can say -- >> men go crazy. they cheat all the time. >> it's a lie. >> it's absolutely not. how long were you marry? >> 6 or 22 years. one or the other. >> well -- 6 years. but i've been with her for 15. >> 15 years. what if she was having an affair on the side? >> she would be doing me a favor at this point. no, i'm kidding. i'd say, look, don't put it on youtube. you know? >> you don't care at this point.
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>> it would make me nuts. >> well, you just agree with what you said we were -- >> come on, now. >> i have a feeling that you can't even imagine it happening. >> my wife? it's baloney. i can. i picture it every night. >> she lives with him. she knowles. but, listen, can i ask you a question, nick, you are the expert here. >> okay, we have to go. you can ask him off camera. thanks to my panel. by the way, the very funny nick depaulo will be at the improv october 29 through february 1.
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this man once said his greatest achievement was not killing anyone. let's hope that doesn't change tonight. i've been an admirer of his for years, celebrated essayist, novelist, playwright, satirist. we don't have enough space on the prompter to fill in everything that this guy has done. he's "gore vidal" snapshots in history's glare. welcome to the show. pleasure to have you on the show. >> it's a joy to me, joy, to be on your show. >> now, i started with you wanted to kill somebody. you have anybody in mind right now? >> yes. >> nobody present i will say. >> have to go to the district of
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columbia where i go to work to cleanse the republic. >> so you don't want to name names? >> no, i won't name names. >> all right. >> i'll name a couple of names. barack obama. >> i like him. >> mm-hmm. >> >> i wish he knew more about the united states because i was for hillary at the beginning on the grounds she knew how to be president. having sort of done the job as a spouse. and and i realized that he's too intelligence for the job. >> obama is -- >> of course. we have the worst educated population of any first world country. and i hope you're listening and i hope you know that your lack of education is the joke of the world. it's not a very nice joke. >> you're talking to the americans now. >> the americans, yeah. >> do they make fun of us in italy where you lived for all those years? >> italians are kind. >> but you have a point. he's a little too smart for the
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country in a certain way. after bush, i don't know if the country could take the shock of such a smart guy. >> he didn't. what happened was, for the first time the american people are people. we're listening on primetime to a president of the united states duly elected officially, anyway -- duly elected president who is speaking as one intelligent, well-educated man to his fellows. well, they never heard anyone like that. >> now -- >> now since i'm president, you got that. i'm a wartime president. and he's marching along there. and let me tell you, if we don't fight them over here, we're going to have to fight them here. i'm all for fighting them right here at that moment, you know? but i couldn't jump into the screen fast enough to kill him off.
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that's one murder that i missed not committing. >> yeah, too late anyway. >> all right. so obama, the other thing about him is he's always trying to be bipartisan. you know? >> it don't work. >> it's not working. >> no. and i think he realized it' not working. and feels like he's been president, you know, since mckinley. and i wish him well. and he comes up with nice ideas. but this health care thing has me in knots. my brain is in knots. >> it does? >> i know what it means. >> none of us understand it. it's to our credit we don't. we aren't working for the banks that we got $700 trillion or something? >> yeah. >> from the previous administration? which was, god, they were generous to a fault.
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>> they loved to give money to the rich in this country. >> the rich deserve the money. you see, if you're a protestant, i suspect you might be catholic -- we protestants are protestants and protestants firmly believe if you're a good person, you're rich. >> yes. >> if you're a poor person, you're poor. >> and you deserve to be -- >> otherwise, god wouldn't have made you that way. >> that's right. that's calvinism. >> oh, well, i knew you'd drop his name. are you still dating him? >> no. he -- he wasn't that good in bed. >> well, i don't know, everybody swore by him. but washington and the old days. but it's the new regime now. >> last night at the y -- or the night before when ever it was, it was interesting. we were talking about comedy. you're very funny and you're a satirist. and i'm in the comedy business myself even though you can't tell from this interview.
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>> i can tell. >> any way, you said something interesting. you said comedy is cruel. now, that would make dick cheney funny. and he's not. >> come on. vice president of the united states, a working sadist? who's trying to get more prisons to lock up people to give them the water treatment? come on. i can't think of any higher comedy that we've had. >> it's a riot, all right. >> wow. that's about as funny as it gets, you know? >> so, that's -- the other thing i want to ask you, so many things i could stay here all day. but you -- you have a long-time partner, howard -- >> mm-hmm. >> i read you said the secret to the success of the relationship was no sex. >> of course. >> ever. >> i thought it was clear. >> i'm not sure if it petered
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out. >> we were virgins. >> that's a platonic relationship. >> i never knew what plato was up to. we only have his word for it. >> so, that's interesting. so you together, because there was none of that sexual jealousy going on. >> imagine being jealous of anybody over sex of all things? >> it happens all the time. >> i know it does, which reminds you of going out no the street and grab something passing by. >> that's a good point. and i presume from that, that you're not interested in gay marriage in any way, it doesn't interest you? >> oh, no. both put me to sleep. >> okay. we'll have more with refreshingly and candid gorby coming up.
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>> i don't think that it's our tradition anymore. i think our tradition now has shifted. poets have been pushed out there to one side. in my lifetime, i've watched the novelists being push off to the center.
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i happen to believe that the united states policy is wrong in vietnam and the vietcong are correct in wanting to organize their own way politically. this happens to be pretty much the opinion of western europe and many other parts of the world. it is the novelty in chicago that is too bad, but i assume that it is the point of the american democracy -- >> shut up a minute. >> no, i won't. >> some people were nazi, and i'm for ostracizing people that
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egg on other people to shoot american marines and american soldiers. >> listen, stop calling me a nazi. you [ bleep ] you stay plastered. >> so you got along nicely with him? >> he was all girl. >> you know, after he died, you said, i thought hell is bound to be a livelier place as he joins those who applauded him in life. you didn't like this guy, did you? >> no, i didn't. >> before we go, i love the book. it's beautiful. everyone should buy this book. it has beautiful pictures of you and your family and your mother, who i read that you really loved your mother. >> just an adorable person,
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yeah. i saw that little boy, the one in the balloon -- no, i will not talk about him. but the balloon boy. and he's giving an interview afterwards and he can't stop throwing up. >> i know. >> well, i was like that, not at 6, but at 10 years old. every time i had to -- my mother was a mad woman, and she was raging all the time. and happily she was drunk most of the time. and i can remember every time i had to say something to her, which was not very often, if i could help it. i would start vomiting. >> really? >> yes. if she were a modern mother, she might have said, there's something wrong here. >> but she didn't? >> no, she changed the cook. who was actually quite good. >> okay, there's one more quote i want to run by you.
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this is something that i read a long time ago, from da vinci and it always keeps me thinking, maybe it won't be so bad after i'm dead. he says a well spent day brings a happy sleep. so a well spent life brings a happy death. i thought what a great thing to believe. do you believe that? >> well, we have an old italian expression for it in italy. it means, he's just whistling dixie. >> so much for the great da vinci. >> lenny was cool. >> lenny was something. thanks for doing this with me. i always enjoy watching you. i interviewed you years ago on the radio. you told me last night i looked different on the radio. that was good.
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thanks for joining me tonight. and thank you for watching. everybody, good night and good luck. who said that? >> edward r. morrow.
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breaking news tonight, live, florida. a beautiful little second grader looks like an angel, walks the ten-minute walk home from school with her sister and little twin brother, all of their little friends. she runs ahead. gets separated. just moments, broad daylight, 7-year-old somer thompson never seen alive again. 4:00, only an hour later, mom rushes home, flags down police. no good. bombshell, tonight, 55 miles to
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the north, no tip, no lead. police spend countless man hours sifting through about a hundred tons of garbage after trailing somer's orange park trash truck. there's no other way to say it than just say it. they spot the little girl's legs sticking out of that filthy garbage. who, who would murder this beautiful brown-eyed little cherub and throw her away like trash? before somer's murderer lands in hell, we want this child killer now. >> and i want you to know that i will not sleep until this person is found. i hope they get you. and hope they make you pay for a long, long time. you don't take from somebody.
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you didn't take her from just me. you took her from my family. you took her from all of these people and you don't do this to a little baby and put my baby in the trash like she's nothing. it's not okay. this is not okay. >> we can now say officially that the medical examiner there has positively identified the body that was located in the landfill yesterday as the missing child from orange park, somer thompson. >> this predator, this sick, i don't know what i'm allowed to say, but this sick man, person, what -- he's not a man, he's not a person, was waiting. he'd been waiting and that was the perfect opportunity. there was no one else around. that's the only thing that i could think and probably told her, i'm going to take you to your mommy. >> there is a child killer on the loose and that's why we're going to catch this person and bring them to justice. >> watch out, we're coming. we're going to get you.
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and tonight, live, to the heartland, a 9-year-old little missouri girl who played with little friends walks home, still daylight through her own neighborhood, no more than a quarter mile. that's only about a thousand feet. she never makes it home. the little girl is afraid of the dark. tonight, as the sun is setting, where is 9-year-old elizabeth? >> law enforcement urgently searching for 9-year-old elizabeth ulton. elizabeth vanishes on just a quarter of a mile walk from her friend's house to her own home. >> i just want my little sister home safely, and i don't know who would have done anything, but i want her home safely. >> law enforcement scouring the area, on foot by atv and by air.
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elizabeth's cell phone sends out signals but drops off. law enforcement now believes the battery is dead. >> i think as a parent, how difficult it has to be to cope with the idea that your 9-year-old baby's not home. >> as desperate golden hours tick by and the race to find elizabeth. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. live, orange park, florida. 55 miles to the north, no tip, no lead. police spend countless man hours sifting through about a hundred tons of garbage. after they trail somer's orange park trash truck to this dump. there's no other way to say it than to just say it. police spot a little girl's legs sticking out of that filthy garbage. >> i just want him found. i want someone to have to pay for what -- for what has been
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done to my family. her and i were just really a lot alike. we had the same personality. and i just miss holding her. and giving her a kiss. and not knowing if i actually said i love her. i know that she knew that. but just never know. >> it's with deep regret and sadness that i have to inform you that a body has been found in the landfill in folkston, georgia. >> my son, when he found out, my oldest, he pumpled things. he just balled. he just fell out. and for a child, a son, a boy, i know men don't show emotion a lot, but we, all of us, my whole entire family, my friends, everyone were devastated. i can't believe that they would put my baby in the trash. >> we have a suspect out there somewhere who's watching this
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broadcast right now and i don't want to tell that suspect what we're doing. >> understand. >> but i will tell him this, we're coming to get him and we're going to find who did this and we're going to bring that person to justice. >> we're going to get you. [ applause ] >> straight out to tiffany griffith with wokv radio. she's standing by there at somer's home. tiffany, thank you for being with us. i -- i knew that they were searching the landfill. police insisted they did not have a tip of any sort, but they found the little girl. what exactly happened? >> well, as we know, it is routine that whenever investigators have a missing child or a missing person in the area, the first immediate thing they do is, like they say, follow the trash and follow that trail and they went immediately to the dumping ground where they know a lot of the garbage from this orange park neighborhood goes. and it did lead to the discovery. >> tell me the time line -- elie
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jostad, what can you tell me about the time line, as to when they found the little girl? >> right, well, nancy, this was just tuesday morning. one of the investigators at the sheriff's office suggested they follow the trash from her neighborhood to this landfill. they searched tuesday. wednesday, about 3:00, they discovered that body. and the body was there through the night as they continued to discover or search for evidence in the immediate vicinity. at 2:00 a.m., little somer's body was transported to the medical examiner's office where she underwent an autopsy. >> tiffany griffith wokv radio. everyone, we are taking your calls live. we're about to be joined by somer's neighbor, ms. rukab. tiffany, how did they identify this as being the little girl? >> well, as we know from following that time line we knew as of yesterday they had made a development and discovery of a child's body. by early this morning preliminary tests did show that this was the body of 7-year-old
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somer thompson. by this afternoon, they could confirm via dental records that this was indeed somer. >> joining me right now from the somer's home lisa rukab, this is somer's neighbor. she knew the little girl very well. her entire family, her little twin brother, the mother, all of them. ms. rukab, thank you for being with us. >> you're welcome. >> ms. rukab, as a victim of violent crime myself, i thought i knew the pain that murder victim's families go through, but i don't think that anything could compare to losing a child. when did the family find out that a body had been found in a trash dump? when did the police tell them this? >> i'm guessing last night. 6:00ish, 7:00ish. we had our suspect suspicions
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and then at 9:00 p.m., they had confirmed it to the family. >> did they confirm it was little somer through a birthmark on her body? >> yes, ma'am. >> how are -- i mean, i've seen the mom, but how are the little brothers? how's the twin brother and the sister? how are they holding up? >> they're as well as to be expected. they're young. so we really don't really know what's going through their minds right now. but they're very, very heartbroken. it's probably going to take -- this will follow them for the rest of their lives. >> oh, oh, of course, of course. what are they telling the little brother and sister about where she is, about what happened? >> i'm not sure. i haven't really heard that but i'm sure they're letting -- they're not hiding anything. i don't think that they're, you know, covering anything. i think that they're full,
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letting them know everything that's been going on. >> when they were told that a body had been found, did they know immediately that it was somer? or were they holding out hope that it was somebody else? >> we were definitely holding out hope. we had heard that there were two more in clay that we also did not know about. so we had optimism that there would not -- you know, the odds were on our side that it may not be her. >> tell me how the mom is doing? >> diena has really impressed me. i don't think that i could have held up as well as she's really done. she's gotten strength from somewhere to come out and talk to the media and be thankful to everyone. she's -- she's, you know -- she's really doing, you know, good on this front.
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but at home she's probably going through her own little need time away and quiet time and stuff. >> ms. rukab, just looking at this little girl with those beautiful brown eyes, little bangs, i just can't imagine somebody grabbing her by the arm and taking her away and hurting her. what was she like? what was the little girl's disposition? >> very playful. she's very open-minded. she's a very smart little girl. she knows everybody. she's a very -- i guess you could say, she would basically be someone you could connect with. she's very friendly. she loves people. she loves kids. she loves to play. >> i just want him found. i want someone to have to pay for what -- for what has been done to my family. >> diena, so many people have
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come and they've given food. is there anything you need? >> my baby back. that's all i can say.
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just wanted to come out and again say thank you to everybody who looked for my baby who has
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been taken from me by someone. and i said yesterday on the news that i didn't care if you've ever gotten into trouble, i want you to know that i will not sleep until this person is found. i hope they get you and hope they make you pay for a long, long time. you don't take from somebody. you don't -- you didn't take her from just me. you took her from my family, you took her from all of these people and you don't do this to a little baby and put my baby in the trash like she's nothing. that's not okay. this is not okay. she really, her and i were just -- we were really a lot alike. we had -- we had the same personality. i just miss holding her and giving her a kiss and not
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knowing if i actually said i love her. i know that she knew that but you just never know. watch out, we're coming. >> dina? >> we're going to get you. [ applause ] >> that is the mother of little somer renee thompson, a little second grader who has lost her life. her body was found in a trash dump. police, after countless man hours are sifting through nearly a hundred tons of garbage, 55 miles to the north of orange park, florida, they found the dump by following the trash trucks as they left somer's neighborhood. see a little girl's legs sticking out of the trash. it is somer. to the lines. shanney in florida. hi, dear. >> caller: hello. how are you this evening? >> i'm good, dear, what's your question? >> caller: i am very sad.
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10 days ago in jacksonville in that same subdivision they had an attempted abduction and i'm wondering with the kids walking home, no one heard her yell. there was a lady and two white males in the vehicle for that attempted abduction and i just have this gut feeling whoever abducted this child she felt comfortable enough where there were no screams. i live 15 minutes away from there. plenty of kids are walking from home at the same time. so i just think it's really that no one heard anything during that busy time of school. what do you think? >> i think it's very odd too. i want to tell you what we're hearing about that prior abduction attempt. this was just the week before somer was taken. a little girl 5 years old, similar to somer, just a block away apparently a hispanic female and two males in the vehicle tried to tell her that her mommy wanted her to come home and they were to take her.
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now police are saying they don't know that was an abduction attempt. they don't know if it was connected. but if those are even remotely the facts, shanney, in florida, i think there has to be a connection. out to tiffany griffith, wokv radio. tiffany, what can you tell me that prior attempt? >> what i can tell you about that prior attempt is that the mother of that child and also the person who acted as the good samaritan who clearly saw something was wrong and quickly acted to work in the best interest of that child made sure that that child got home safely and she said that she turned around and the vehicle that had apparently approached that other little girl had zipped off just as soon as she'd arrived on scene. investigators are telling us exactly as you said that it doesn't look like this has any connection to somer's disappearance. and that, yes, they also do have more questions and don't necessarily want to label that other incident as an abduction attempt. >> hm.
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elie jostad our chief editorial producer. i understand that police are looking at -- and also the answer to shanney in florida. how could this have happened without screaming. you could easily get kid in a car and nobody hears a thing. but what can you tell me about police looking at a vacant house in a park across the street from where she went missing? let's see that map again, norm. go ahead, elle. >> right, nancy, this is 1080 gano avenue. gano avenue is the street that somer was walking down with her brother and sister when they got separated. apparently there is a vacant house. there was a fire in this house several months ago. it's been vacant ever since. out in front of that house is where they now believe somer was last seen. so they've set up a mobile forensic's unit to search that house. >> tears have dried up and i'm just -- i'm so angry, i can't
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express with words of disregarding my child like a piece of trash. i hope they crucify him.
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i think that when she ran off she was upset and she got to a point and decided to stop and wait and that this predator, this sick -- i don't know what i'm allowed to say, but this sick man, person, what -- he was
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not a man. he's not a person, was waiting. he'd been waiting. and that was the perfect opportunity. there was no one else around. that's the only thing that i could think. and probably told her, i'm going to take you to your mommy. >> to marc klaas. everyone, we're taking your calls. not only is the little girl found dead, she has been thrown away in the garbage. police find her by noticing her legs, the little 7-year-old girl's legs sticking out of tons of filthy trash. marc klaas, that scenario that her mother has put forth that someone was waiting sounds true. it has the ring of truth, i think that's what happened too. >> i -- i wouldn't doubt that for a moment. the first thing i'd like to do, though, nancy is offer my condolence to somer's family. i know what they're going through. i've been there myself. they are in a bottomless pit of
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grief right now. and hopefully they will be able to extricate themselves. but the reality is that of people that murder little children as a result of an abduction, 57% of them have a history of previous convictions of violence against children. the most common scenario, or i should say the most common victim -- let me put it this way. 76.2% of these children who are kidnapped will be dead within three hours. 74% of those victims will be little girls. more than half of all children that are murdered as a result of an abduction are first picked up within a quarter mile of their home. and a full 1/3 of those kids, the first contact is made within a half block of the home.
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the obvious lesson in this is that we cannot allow our children to go outside unaccompanied, bottom line. >> watch out, we're coming. we're going to get you. [ applause ] ddddddddd
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we love you. >> thank you. i was alone here so i held my head and i cried ♪ you are my sunshine ♪ my only sunshine ♪ you make me happy >> my son when he found out, my oldest, he punched things.
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he just balled. he just fell out. and for a child, a son, a boy, i know men don't show emotion a lot, but we, all of us, my whole entire family, my friends, everyone, we're devastated. i can't believe that they would put my baby in the trash. >> there is a child killer on the loose and that's why we're going to catch this person and bring him to justice. i fear, i fear for our community until we bring this person in. this is a heinous crime that's been committed. and you know we're going to work as hard as we can to make this community safe. >> there's no measure of punishment that you deserve you deserve the same death my daughter went through. that may sound really hard but that's my daughter.
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>> we are taking your calls live. we have received word that a child's body has been found in a trash dump. there with over a hundred tons of trash. 55 miles north of her orange park, florida, home, somer's body has been found and identified. first, identified by birthmark and now through dental records. there is no doubt that this body is the body of 7-year-old little somer. we are taking your calls. to abigale in illinois. hi, abigale. >> caller: hi, nancy. god bless you, nancy, for your relentless pursuit for justice for victims of horrific crimes. >> i don't -- i don't feel like that. when i was listening to the mother singing, not too many hours ago, i had the twins at the playground on the swing and i was singing that very song to
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them and they were laughing and the sky was blue and it's just very hard to believe that not that far away they were identifying this little girl's body and i wonder how many days and nights this mom sang that same song to somer. i'm just sick about it. what is your question, love? >> caller: thank you, nancy. i would like to know if the police have checked out all the sex offenders in somer's city? also let alone in surrounding cities? >> let's go out to tiffany griffith, wokv. with that question. and not only that question, what more, tiffany, can you tell me about that park across from where she lives and that vacant house that they're zeroing in on? i mean, if somebody's in that vacant house, by god, certainly they left some sort of forensic trail. >> both good questions. what we do know, as far as the sex offenders in this area, that with the original search in the
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three-mile area, they were looking at 57. then they expanded it to five miles. and they added an additional 37 sex offenders that they were looking into. we do know that they have checked with at least 90% of those sex offenders and still five that they're looking to question. they told us they've been able to clear all of those sex offenders that they have discussed. and that doesn't mean that they won't go back and still do some additional interviews. but for right now, they don't have a specific sex offender linked to this crime. and now as far as that house on gano avenue, we do know that it is vacant. there was nobody living in it at the time. it was owned by a family. but they weren't living in that home. we do know at some point it was also involved in a fire. that home we do know that somer was walking past it, last she was seen by witnesses. not necessarily saying that she actually went inside the house we don't know if maybe she was dragged in but we do know that she was walking past it while
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last she was seen as was saying across that street is a park. investigators are looking into a restroom there where a bag of evidence has been taken from the rest room. we don't know what is inside of it but we do hope to learn more. >> i want to go to bethany marshall, psychoanalyst and author of "deal breakers." bethany, we're getting floods of calls and e-mails and an overwhelming question is why? why? you know what i used to ask that in my head since prosecutors don't have to prove motive. i would be sitting in the courtroom looking over at some defendant who committed a crime on a child or a murder, and i would think, why? why? but then after about five years of beating my head against a cement block, i figured i don't really care why. i don't care why. all i care is that i get the right guy and that he gets justice. but why? you're the shrink. why would somebody want to grab this little girl by the arm? if she's walking home from school at 2:45 p.m. with her friends, drag her into a vacant house or stick her into a car,
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probably torture her. probably sexually assaulted this little 7-year-old girl and then murder her. why? what drives somebody do that? >> you just put your finger on it, nancy. the number one reason for child abduction is sexual assault. and the research is just -- it's horrifying. the research shows that usually these guys use pornography in order to fuel their wish to kill. it shows that only two-thirds of the men whop commit abduction, sexual assault, homicide, have a prior arrest. and of that population, only half of them have an arrest for a crime against a child. so it is not enough to look at a sex offender registry to determine whether or not you're safe in your neighborhood. of these offenders, they go to jail. most of them have a history of offenses against children for 17 years. children are not immune from sexual assault simply because
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they're close to home. marc klaas was right, half of these child abduction homicides occur within three blocks of the child's home. keep your eye on your children. >> you know -- >> don't let them walk to school alone. >> -- brought up something really interesting and i want to go through this list that we came up with, norm, about who could possibly do this? very often, you will see that children are abducted by people they know. and i'm not talking about crazy uncle weird. the familiarity could be more to you related like elizabeth smart. the person who abducted her was someone that mom had hired do odd jobs because she felt sorry for the guy. then there is of course jesse lunsford. she was taken by couey who lived in her neighborhood. megan kanka. maken's law was taken by a neighbor. danielle van dam was taken by westerfield. may he rot in hell. he was a neighbor.
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martha moxley was murdered by a neighbor. one of the kennedy clan. the list goes on and on and on. and it doesn't necessarily have to be a relative or a close family friend. but someone they are in contact with. someone that knows them. we are taking your calls live. first, i want to go to tracy sargent and cinco. k-9 handler of the search and recovery specialist of homeland security. tracy, cadaver dogs were used in this case. how does it work? >> yes, ma'am. landfills really offer a unique challenge to dogs and to teens because of all of the debris, the contamination, it really requires the dog some intensive search to pinpoint where that person might be. it's oftentimes dogs will alert in the a landfill to things that we may not even be searching for such as bloody rags. cinnamon products. other things. the dogs will pinpoint all human remains in a landfill. so it's not unusual for them to alert even the thing that we're
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looking for is not there. what we're going to demonstrate too is that here in the studio are two debris piles and we're going to kind of simulate how the dogs can be effective in a landfill even though the challenges are there. the dog's going to tell us what pile to search for further evidence. cinco, hunt. so what you noticed here, he went through this pile here that tells us that there's nothing here. so he went to this trash pile and he's telling us, we need to check in this area. so from there, investigators will go through the tons of debris to find out what is that dog responding to? is it responding to the little girl or is it responding to something else? at that point in time we will reward the dog and then we will tell the officials, check in this area. but landfills offer, again, a very unique and very tedious, difficult challenge for dogs.
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but they can be effective in landfills. >> with us tonight from homeland security, tracy sargent, and her cadaver dog, cinco. we are taking your calls live. but if you're just joining us, the news reporting tonight that the child -- that the body of a small child has been found in a trash dump. and it is 7-year-old somer. as we go to break, we ask for your thoughts and prayers for georgia friend of the show. lucille dent set for surgery, a real beauty in her youth. never missed a sunday in church before entering a methodist home for seniors. she tunes in every single night. ms. dent, please, stay strong. 
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we can now say officially that the medical examiner there has positively identified the body that was located in the
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landfill yesterday as the missing child from orange park, somer thompson. her family has been notified of these findings. as you can imagine due to the investigation, we are not in a position to discuss the cause or manner of death or any other details of the autopsy. but i will tell you that her identity was verified through dental records. >> please, you don't have to tell them who you are, you don't have to -- you're not going to be in trouble if you give the answers. just help us find who this is. don't let another -- i never thought in my -- in all of my life that i would ever have to do this. be -- even know anybody, i don't want to see another parent feel empty. >> let's unleash the lawyers. joining us tonight, richard herman, renowned defense attorney out of new york. hugo rodriguez, defense
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attorney, former fed with the fbi out of atlanta. well, richard herman, i don't know how many death penalty cases you have worked on but this would certainly be one for the books. there is no way once this perpetrator is caught that there will not be a death penalty sought. no way! >> no way, the outcry from the community's going to put enormous pressure on a district attorney's office. they are going to have to bridge it. >> they don't need pressure. don't act like this is a political decision. take a look at this little girl. nobody needs to exert pressure, richard. >> yeah, they need the pressure here and they're going to get it, nancy. it's devastating. this case is absolutely devastating on behalf of all of the criminal defense attorneys you invite on your show, this is absolute devastation. to hear the parents speak -- >> you know what, please, please don't. just -- i appreciate the sentiment but just save your breath because some defense attorney's going to feel like it's their duty under the constitution to try to get
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whoever did this off. we all know that. you know, hugo rodriguez, in the state of florida, as in every state, there are certain mitigating and there are certain aggravating factors that are looked at when the death penalty is sought. this would certainly fit into the florida death penalty special criteria, but it may end up being a georgia case because when you don't know where the crime was committed, you prosecute where the body was found. yes? no? >> yes, as to your answer. but i'm in florida, florida has a death penalty. duvall county, where there is from, will prosecute more than likely. and they have a history here in florida and they will charge murder one, plus kidnapping, which would cause not only death but an additional 50 years a prison would never get out of jail and i agree with herman. >> okay, number one, it's wade county, not duvall.
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>> excuse me. >> but number two, another legal theory for it to be handled in florida, which i believe has a better death penalty record than georgia does, would be that even if this child was murdered in georgia, even if the crime began in florida. >> the crime did happen in florida. i think from forensics where they found the body they're going to find other things that will tire to that community where she was abducted and it will be in florida and as you said, we have a history in florida of bringing these death penalty cases one of the largest in the country. >> yes you do, and richard herman, correct me, it's clay county. but richard, right now, what would your advice to be to -- be to the killer? >> to the killer? >> yeah. because you know throw -- throw him a bone, for pete's sake. of course it's a him. >> see that's the problem. it's not necessarily a sex offender or a him. you can't just focus on those groups. yes, you have to investigate them.
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but don't limit it. that sunday schoolteacher put that poor little girl in a suitcase and threw her in a river. you cannot limit it to that group. >> you know what, richard herman, put herman up please. i stand corrected. you are absolutely correct. we do not want to limit the search. everyone, we are taking your calls. i want to go out to marc klaas. marc, weigh in. >> well, you know, the gal that murdered sandra cantu is the only female predator that we're aware of. she's the only female pedophile i think that we're aware of just as we didn't know anything about female psychopaths before -- before -- we didn't know anything about this until this gal had murdered sandra cantu. about this is most likely a man. he he's most likely a sadistic psychopath and he doesn't care what you, i, or anybody else think. that's not why he did this. he did this for instant self-gratification without consideration for the consequences of his crime. >> very quickly to bill
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majewski, what are your thoughts, bill? i think i have got bill majewski with me. go ahead, bill. >> that vacant house that's in florida, i think that's going to be a treasure trove of forensic evidence that they're going to be gathering as we're speaking now. hopefully they will then, with that evidence, be able to connect that murder to the individuals that were involved in it. >> back to -- >> all kinds of dna evidence will be there and a multitude of other things. >> back to lisa rukab. a neighbor of somer's family. losa, what are the family's plans at this point? they don't even have the little girl's body. >> no, ma'am. i'm thinking as soon as savannah gets finished and we get her back home, we do have a funeral home here that's -- that's taken care of everything. as far as what they're doing right now, we're just waiting for her to come home so we can go from there. >> and to dr. michael bell, how will they be able to tell if the
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child was sexually molested? >> well, they'll do a rape or a sexual sought kit and look for the body fluids in the usual places. >> with me dr. michael bell, palm beach county chief medical >> chief medical examiner, we are taking your calls and as we go to break, it is national breast cancer awareness month. tonight, women's personal health resource fun toed years ago by an oncology nurse struggled to find wigs during that battle. women's personal resources helps breast cancer patients with skin care, scar, exercise, launch wear and swimsuits from lumpectomy or mastectomy or recent surgery. if this battle touches you, go to women's personal health.com and we can win the war on breast cancer.
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i want to take you to another story of a missing girl tonight. hopefully you can help us. quickly to lad egan. news director and anchor of krcg. lad, what can you me about 9-year-old elizabeth? >> hi, nancy. she is say 9-year-old 4th grader. last night around 6:00 p.m. heading home to her house from a friend's home, there only four houses between the friend's home and her home, about a quarter mile walk and she disappeared somewhere going home. >> wasn't it only about a
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quarter of a mile, that's only about 1300 feet. >> a very short distance and the family called authorities within 45 minutes of her not arriving home. not a lot of a time frame. >> our producer on the story and what exactly happened? >> she was walking home around 6:15 p.m. they called cops around 6:50. they got a ping on her cell phone in the woods, but the family is suspect because they say that tshe would never walk n the woods and she is terrified of the dark. there is no way she would have left the cell phone there. >> good point. lad, back to you lad egan from krcg. matt has a point. to me that means although she would not have entered the wooded area herself, someone either dragged her there or
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discarded her cell phone there. >> exactly. we are talking with authorities about it and the family said she only walked along the side of the road although sometimes behind the back yards to get back to her house, but would not have herself. they searched in the area all day and went through the area twice. haven't found the phone and haven't found her. >> everyone, the tip line for this little girl, another missing young girl, 573-634-9160 we are talking about elizabeth who is just nine years old from st. martins, missouri. look at this girl. let's stop and remember army staff sergeant juan campos, killed iraq on a second tour. awarded the bronze star, purple heart and remembered as a leader
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who always smiled and leaves mother maria, three other abouts and two sifts and widow and son. american hero. thanks to our guests and especially to you for being with us. a special good night from friend of the show, vg. virginia. what a smile. everyone, i will see you tomorrow night at 8:00 sharp eastern. our prayers tonight with little somer and elizabeth's family. god bless them. until tomorrow, good night, friend. >> i'm brooke anderson and here's our news break. here's what's coming up. shocking developments in the espn sex shocker. did steve phillips's mistress try to get into his family's home. a frightening 911 call. new developments in the michael jackson case. the investigation into his
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