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tonight, a devastated mother has an angry message for her daughter's killer. watch out. we're coming to get you. somer thompson, abducted, murdered, and dumped in the trash. she was only 7 years old and her mystery killer is still on the loose. now her mom vows to devote her life to finding the monster who did this. meantime, cops tracking down hundreds of leads. shifting through tons of garbage, looking for any clues that could lead to this killer. and tonight's big issue, how do we stop another child from being abducted and murdered? plus, a steamy sexual affair turns really ugly. an espn analyst accused of sleeping with a 22-year-old
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co-worker turned jilted lover. take a look at these photos from tmz. when the tv commentator broke it off, this heartbroken girl allegedly started harassing his wife with nasty phone calls and vicious letters. cops say she even crashed her car into his house. we'll have all the jaw-dropping details. and pharmaceutical suicide. bombshell allegations in the anna nicole smith case. a pharmacist now testifies that anna had a laundry list of prescriptions, including muscle relaxants, sleeping meds, and methadone. five months later she was dead. so who's responsible for prescribing her enough drugs to kill her? we'll take a look. "issues" starts now. tonight, a frantic search for a child killer. the monster who murdered 7-year-old somer thompson is still out there. cops have interviewed more than 100 sex offenders in the area. they believe none of them were involved.
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tonight, police zeroing in on this sinister abandoned house right there. gosh, that looks like a house of horrors. the last place they believe little somer was seen alive. could this be the house where she was murdered? crime tape surrounds this dilapidated home. burned up in a fire, officers are taking bags of evidence from inside and using something called light technology presumably to detect blood and fluids. they're also combing through a dumpster in the yard. also under investigation, a public bathroom at the park right across the street from that house. is there evidence there? the vacant home and park just steps away from somer's elementary school. plus a very strange twist, a mystery woman talking to local reporters. could she know something about somer's murder? police are following up more than 800 tips as somer's devastated family tries to cope with the unthinkable. and with the killer still on the loose, communities in northern florida are living in fear. many keeping their kids inside.
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somer's mom spoke out on nbc's "today" show. >> we're coming for you. >> are you confident that they'll be able -- >> we're going to get you. >> are you confident they'll be able to find your daughter's killer? >> i want to be confident. but i was confident that she was going to come home. and she didn't. but i know they're working. and doing it. and i have faith in them. >> somer's body was found covered by truckloads of trash dumped in a landfill. investigators went there on a hunch, expecting to find perhaps a backpack or maybe a piece of clothing. what they found, two lifeless little legs poking out from under the rubble. this crime is just unspeakable. we need to find a way to stop these predators from terrorizing us. that's a very big issue to tackle. but we've got to start somewhere.
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and the first step is to say, we here on "issues" are not going to cover this as just another crime story. we're going to cover this as a national crisis that must be addressed now. straight out to my expert panel. criminal profiler pat brown, psychiatrist dr. dale archer, former detective steve kardian, and criminal defense attorney mark eiglarsh. but we begin with adam landau, reporter with wjxt. adam, you're on the scene. what is the very latest? >> we are waiting for a news briefing any minute now from investigators. but we know this. there are two very active scenes right now and you showed both of them off the top. there is that landfill in georgia where investigators found somer's body. then there is that home right near her school. she would have walked past it to get home and that's the last place several witnesses have told police that they saw her. one of the witnesses, we're told, is a 9-year-old boy who
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was riding on his bike, saw somer leave her brother and sister, and the last time he saw her you was in front of that home. now the desperate search continues at that home. it started yesterday afternoon and it is continuing today. every inch, both inside and outside of that home, are being looked at by investigators. you said 810 leads -- >> adam, let me ask you -- let me ask you about this mystery woman. we've heard a report that a mystery woman came forward and said, oh, i was suspicious about this home and a nearby dump, or dumpster on monday, and i feel guilty that i didn't take action. tell us about that. >> yeah. police haven't said much about it. we're waiting for a news conference to start any minute. there is that report out there. a lot of people in the neighborhood are you now talking about what they may have seen and could it have meant anything. there's talk there was maybe a suspicious van that was in front of that home the last time somer
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was seen. there is so much going on and a lot of people are looking back saying, wait a minute. did i see something? did i miss something? was there something there that i just didn't report to police in time? that's really what is going on in that neighborhood. >> look at this house. it looks so creepy and eerie. almost like one of those halloween house of horrors. and this is the home that was burned in a fire a while back that authorities are poring over with light technology to detect blood and fluids. pat brown, what does that tell you? >> they obviously have zoned right in on that, jane. there has to be something there they're really looking at. other than that, there are so many people in the neighborhood, it could be. i've been real concerned about the fact they said they've talked to those 100 or so sex offenders and they're certain that none are a suspect. i want to know how. unless you have a video camera with them at a certain place at that particular point in time or they're in a pulpit or out of the country, i'm sorry, but you
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can't take them off the suspect list. unless they have something that they really know that we don't know. >> well, mike eiglarsh, i agree completely. you remember the horrible case of couey, john couey, who had a precious child in his trailer even as the police came by and searched for her. and it was after that search that he killed the child by burying her alive. >> that's correct. i agree with both you and pat. you'd never want to take anybody off your radar. look for corroborating evidence. unless you know for sure they're out of the country. and we know that over 160 people could not be. you keep them in your sights. the other lesson we have to learn from previous cases is don't put out too much detail specifically about the autopsy results. because when one of these creeps finally starts to come around and admits to doing it we want to make sure the information comes from firsthand knowledge of the ute bralt
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of the brutality that he committed and not what he heard from the media. >> you raise the issue of an autopsy. the autopsy has been completed. they are not releasing a cause of death. they call it a heinous death. somer's mom issuing a warning on nbc's "today" show. >> just always, it takes just a couple seconds to tell them you love them. tell them you love them because you don't know what's going to happen. and just make them aware of stranger danger. i tried with somer. i feel like i've failed, obviously. >> nobody would say that. >> if it just helps one. >> steve kardian, as a criminal investigator it's got to be so tough for the investigators to get the autopsy results and then tell the mother, not just the initial news that the child has been found and identified, but then what she died from and whether or not there was any sexual abuse. i mean, these are things that are so horrifying to even talk
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about here. bull imagine having to convey that to the mother. is that one reason they keep the cause of death and some of these details from the public? because it is disrespectful in a sense to the child and the mom? >> well, that and they're preserving the integrity of the investigation. they're doing a good job about keeping this close to the vest. for them to reveal specific details including the cause of death and whether or not she was sexually assaulted may be revealing information that only the predator or the killer may be able to provide to police in terms of qualifying that crime. and can i add one thing about that? the children of that age, they're way too young. they're way too trusting and they yet have not developed the techniques or the tactics to deal with a predator at this age. >> of course not. and unfortunately, we live in a world today where your kid cannot walk home from school, even with an older sister, because she was with her 10-year-old sister and her twin brother, and they had an argument. there was a little girl
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apparently involved, and this little somer ran ahead and went out of the line of sight of her older sister and may have got into that house. you it was right in that area where there is a house, a park, a bathroom in the park, and boom. she was gone. because isn't it true, adam, that this family jumped on this very, very quickly. i mean, the second that these kids realized their sister wasn't at home when they arrived home less than a mile walk, everybody went into action. and still, it wasn't fast enough. >> absolutely. that's what we've been talking about. the time frame here is so short. she left her brother and sister. they got home when she wasn't there. they immediately tipped off a family friend. they started looking for her. they called police. so the time frame is so short. that's what's really amazing. when did she disappear? there wasn't a lot of time. how could someone have snatched her? >> i want to comment on that. this is what i call the window of opportunity.
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people say there's lots of people around how could he grab a child? but you take that pred torks he's going to be out there 24 hours a day when he's not sleeping, looking for that opportunity. all he needs is one child separated from like a gazelle getting atacked by a lion. that's why you cannot say, just teach your children and they'll be safe. all they need is one minute away which is why we have to get them off the street. we can't protect them. >> more on this tragic story. coming up, yet another sex scandal exposed. we'll tell you how this is shaking opportunity sports world. but a mother shares her bewildered grief with the world just a day after her precious daughter's body is discovered. >> for everybody who stopped by and who has passed out fliers, who has brought me food to my work and my friends and my family, and if anybody can help me find her, i just want to say
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♪ you are my sunshine ♪ my only sunshine ♪ you make me happy when skies are gray ♪ ♪ you'll never know dear how much i love you ♪ this is beyond heartbreaking. the mother of 7-year-old somer thompson singing "you are my sunshine." the little girl's favorite song. now she is dead. her body found in a garbage pile. the killer is still on the loose tonight. still out to my expert panel, dr. dale archer, now we understand that law enforcement has interviewed all of the more than 100 registered sex offenders in the immediate vicinity, living there. but cops also say that often sex offenders are transient and they move from community to
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community. so we could be dealing with somebody -- especially we heard mention of a van. who is just moving through the town and is long gone at this point. >> as of today, jane, there are 686,515 registered sex offenders in america. and the sad news is that it's estimated that 100,000 of those are off the grid, they're not accounted for. the problem is the system is overburdened. what we need to do is take out the minor tier one and tier twos and focus on the violent sex offenders, the tier threes, the pedophiles. those are the ones committing these types of crimes. and if we don't have the resources to monitor everyone, we need to know those folks are either in jail or we know where they are at any given moment and if they stop reporting they need to have an arrest warrant issued immediately. >> it brings us to the big issue tonight, where do we start? take a look at these shirts. they are right on. we're going to show you them right now. this has to stop. stop with somer. somer's mom pledged to devote her life to making sure this
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will not happen to one other family. >> i never thought in all of my life that i would ever have to do this, be -- even know anybody. i don't want to see another parent feel empty. i will not sleep until this person is found. i hope they get you and i hope they make you pay for a long, long time. >> we have to help this devastated mother. but how? we always talk about reforming the system. but that's like saying, let's stop global warming. it's such a big issue. such a daunting task. it feels like trying to empty the ocean one spoonful at a time. how do we take the first step in tackling this crisis in america? pat brown, i want to hear from my entire panel, but pat brown, to me the first thing we have to do is set an intention, set a goal. and express it.
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and i think the goal has to be a world where children can walk home safely without worrying about being abducted, raped and murdered. that is something we need to verbalize and say, that's our goal. >> well, that is a good goal. but if we don't put our money where our mouth is on this, we're going off the path. here we have a simple, simple solution. when you have any kind of predator, one who crosses the line to abduct a stranger, to rape a stranger, to commit violence against a stranger, like we are seeing, these guys that get 12 years and they're out in four. and actually, look at the guy -- you know -- >> phillip garrido? >> garrido, exactly. here he actually kidnaps a woman, puts her in a storage lock he-y rapes her repeatedly. this guy should be in prison for life or he should get the death penalty. there should be no other possibility because he didn't accidentally cross any line. he did something so egregious, you know, that he should get life and that's the end of it. the trouble is we have sympathy. somebody, not me.
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but some people out there have sympathy. the parole boards, the judges. some of the citizens say oh, give the guy another chance. i'm like, wait a minute, that person that he attacked did not get a second chance. they have to suffer their whole life or they're dead. >> pat brown, i agree with you 100%. we shouldn't have sympathy for these predators. but we should have sympathy for a lot of the other people who are locked up for non-violent crimes. kids from inner city neighborhoods who start out in jufy then end up -- make some mistake, then end up in prisons. we're packing our prisons with more people than any other country in the world, and the vast majority of them are not predators. and yet the very people that we should have in prison, the predators, you see them on the dots around this town, they're all over the place. so we've got an upside down criminal justice system that needs to be completely revamped. steve kardian, how do we separate the serious predators from the less serious ones who maybe have watched some porn that involves children, which is horrific but it's not at the same level of being an attacker?
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>> jane, from the petty criminals to the very serious murderers, rapists and serial killers, we have a plea bargain system in place which allows more than 85% of the predators, the criminals out there, to plead to lesser charges, therefore receiving a reduced sentence that allows them to go out and act as a predator again before their original term would have even been terminated in jail. >> let me make a point about this, having served as a prosecutor and a criminal defense attorney for a number of years. the reality is a lot of the cases they have against these predators are poor. if they went to a jury, they would lose. so sometimes the best thing you can do is get a conviction, get a lesser sentence. they now become part of the 100 or so people that can be interviewed in the future and now they're above the radar. we know -- >> we have to leave it right there. but we are working on a special report here on "issues" where we're going to examine this in depth next week. thank you, fantastic panel.
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an espn analyst accused of sleeping with a 22-year-old co-worker turned jilted lover. take a look at these photos from tmz. when the tv commentator broke it off, this heartbroken girl allegedly started harassing his life with nasty phone calls and vicious letters. cops say she even crashed her car into his house. we'll have all the jaw-dropping details. and pharmaceutical suicide. bombshell allegations in the anna nicole smith case. a pharmacist now testifies that anna had a laundry list of prescriptions, including muscle relaxants, sleeping meds, and methadone. five months later she was dead. so who's responsible for prescribing her enough drugs to kill her?
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we'll take a look. but first, another shameful sex scandal exposed. philandering family man and espn baseball analyst steve phillips has come clean about a tawdry sex tryst with a young espn production assistant. "the new york post" reports the 46-year-old tv sports guy hooked up with 22-year-old brooke hundley for three days this past july. after the brief affair was over, things got very ugly, very fast. cops say young brooke began sending harassing text messages to steve's wife. even more bizarre, she contacted their kids on facebook, posing as a high school classmate. bizarre turned to braise nen august, when brooke, seen here on tmz, hand-delivered allegedly a taunting introductory letter to steve's wife, marni, at their connecticut home. "steve hasn't been honest with you about our relationship. i'm the woman he's been seeing for a while now, not just some random girl he had sex with in
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parking lots." that close encounter sparked this frantic 911 call. >> i have a crazy woman who is involved with my husband, and she's come to my house to harm me and my children. >> okay, ma'am-s she outside? >> she's pulling down my hill right now. she's in a blue prius. she just pulled past me. >> okay. i'm sending officers right now. >> please hurry. >> they're coming. they're on their way. >> please hurry and catch her. she's crazy. >> wow. what dramarama. police say brooke used espn company property in her purchase soouft phillips family. but according to the "new york post" she is still working there. what? we at "issues" wanted to know why and called the network but they declined to comment. hmm. very interesting. for his part, steve phillips, who was sued for sexual harassment 11 years ago and settled out of court, is on a
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"extended leave of absence." he says he wants to spend more time with his family. that should be a trifle awkward considering his wife has now filed for divorce. oh, and gee, where do we even begin? how about with my fantastic expert panel and on board tonight, kim serafin, senior editor of "in touch weekly." kim, i'm almost afraid to ask, what is the very latest in this one? >> well, you just said it. he has now taken a leave of absence. he wants to spend time with his family. and of course his wife has apparently filed for divorce. but look, he obviously acknowledges right away, took the leave of absence, and right now it seems like this production assistant, brooke hundley, is getting the bad rap. he doesn't really seem to be facing a lot of these bad negative things about him, oddly enough. it seems to be all about her. and of course, you look at the past instances, of course we just went through an issue, not totally similar, but david letterman having a sexual
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relationship with someone who worked for him. and we really didn't hear as much about stephanie birkitt but we are hearing a lot about brooke hundley right now. >> there were more shocking claims in that letter delivered to steve phillips' wife by allegedly the young production assistant brooke hundley. here are some scary quotes. "he assures me i wouldn't have to worry about getting pregnant since his vasectomy." and "steve has a big birthmark on his crotch and one on his inner left thigh. sow know i'm not being fake." by the way, mark eiglarsh, brooke hundley was not arrested because the phillips family decided not to press charges. but is it really up to them? i mean, this is pretty serious stuff. this is alleged stalking. this is alleged harassment. it's even vandalism, allegedly, because she hit a post on the way out of the family home apparently. >> right. i was shaking my head because i thought you were coming to me with a crotch question. i told you, no more. >> if you prefer, i could ask something about that. >> no, ma'am.
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and you're absolutely right -- i'll take a pass. you're right. i don't know why law enforcement doesn't go after her for all the alleged crimes you just mentioned. i don't know. they should. >> i guess when there's a family that doesn't want to prosecute because obviously they don't want the publicity the cops are like, well, then i wouldn't get anybody to testify, so maybe it's not worth the trouble? >> it's not up to them. i mean, if you look at domestic violence court, it's packed full of defendants who are arrested when the victims are saying no, no, don't take him away. you take him away and then let prosecutors decide how they're going to protect the people of the state. >> well, i believe this one's not over. i think we're just scratching the tip of this iceberg. so to speak. on the surface this sex scandal, as kim serafin just mentioned, sounds a whole lot like the david letterman affair. but there are some very, very important differences. while brooke hundley is alleged to have stalked the phillips family, this young lady here, stephanie birkitt, was outed because she reportedly left her
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diary, her secret diary out, where her reportedly jealous boyfriend was able to find it and read it and may have allegedly become enraged over what he read about stephanie and dave in the diary. so we can contrast those two, the way these two paramours are portrayed in the media. now, check out these zriepgss from t descriptions from the "new york post." this is about stephanie. she's a pretty former "late show" staffer, stephanie birk t birkitt. but now check out the quotes about the espn chick. "after espn talking head steve phillips dumped his portly production-assistant lover." and the "post" also called brooke schlubby. dr. dale archer, is there some kind of underlying sexism here in the sense that if you're ugly or perceived to be not attractive and you do something like this you get taken to task but if you're cute and you do something like this as a female
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it's perceived more as, you know, a fun anecdote and gossip? >> no. i think that in her case there are e-mails -- >> who? which her? >> right. the brooke hundley case. she basically was on record saying she was going to do whatever it took to further her career in the media. so i think that she is being portrayed in this case as a gold digger using him in order to try to make it to the top in the media world. and when that did not work, of course, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. >> see, i think that's sexist. because this guy has a track record. and i'm going to go to steve kardian on this. this is not the first or only time steve phillips has cooked up his own sex scandal stew. >> i haven't gotten to him yet. >> 11 years ago. so let me -- i'll tell you the facts, then we'll go back to dr. dale. 11 years ago phillips was general manager of the new york mets and he admitted to having sex with a team employee, who sued him for sexual harassment.
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that case was later settled out of court. "the new york post" quotes an espn source who says phillips is suspected of sleeping with several espn employees. so again, back to dale archer. this is more than hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. >> well, i know, but i had only done half of it. so now we've got to go to mr. phillips and say that look, he does have a record of being a serial adulterer, without a doubt. and i think that these two guys deserve each other. i mean, they ended up in a situation that is horrible for both their careers. he's lost his wife. he's going to lose his kids probably in the custody battle. so i think that it is a tragic tale and it's a cautionary tale for anybody out there who wants to enter into an extra-marital affair. this is what can happen on both sides. >> another issue is why does espn and all these networks hire these people with significant baggage? they say that we forget, we're going to forget about it. but every time i look at, let's
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say, marv albert, i'm thinking good analysis, cross-dresser, bizarre sexual behavior. i can't get it out of my mind. >> yeah, well, okay. all i can tell you is that it reminds me of that great movie "fatal attraction." >> absolutely. >> we've got to leave it right there, fabulous panel. we've got some more stuff to tell but. up next, is michael jackson's mom in the poor snous we're going to tell you why she's asking a california judge for a lot more money. and then is foul play to blame for anna nicole smith's dead? her pharmacist drops some stunners in court. >> why? what foot snj. >> this thing you're looking into. >> it's a camera. >> exactly. >> take a look at that. that's so pathetic. addiction comes in so many forms. prescription drugs, sex,
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alcohol. in the pages of my new book "i want," i talk about my addiction to alcohol and how i overcame it 14 1/2 years ago. if you're struggling with any addiction of any sort, drugs, alcohol, food, sex, co-dependency, workaholism, this book will help you. go to cnn.com/jane and preorder a copy. or you can just get it in a bookstore. i hope you read it, i hope you get some help or help for someone you love.
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and let's meet today's winner. al from monterey park, california. al says he hit rock bottom in 2006. he even got a black eye. take a look at that. black eye. falling off his bicycle on the way to buy drugs. ouch! that's bottom. believe it or not, it was his drug dealer, his drug dealer who told him he had a problem. but after struggling through treatment, al made it and now he has more than three years of sobriety. look at the difference. look how fantastic he looks right there. all cleaned up. he also gave up smoking and sugar. and he's been exercising regularly. al even rediscovered his passion for music and often performs on the 3rd street promenade in santa monica. i think i've seen you, dude. al, for sharing your story
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you're going to be getting an autographed copy of my new book "i want" plus a trip to visit the set in new york and visit me on the set of "issues." either that oar i fly out to santa monica and we can just jam there on the promenade because i love to do that too. way to go. congratulations on your sobriety. new revelations into anna nicole smith's death. but first, top of the block tonight. mind-boggling developments in the fight over michael jackson's estate. michael's mom, catherikatherineg a hard time paying her bills. this is what tmz is reporting. allegedly, katherine's $30,000 a month allowance isn't quite enough. she apparently is demanding more money. now, keep in mind she was granted full custody of michael's three kids. but wait a second. the kids have their own monthly income, a healthy 60,000 clams. i have to ask, where's all this money going? it's got to be going to more
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than candy. according to tmz, katherine's lawyers told the judge because she's made more money this year she has to pay more in taxes. well, la-di-da. that's what she needs, more pocket change for her because of taxes? certainly call this an embarrassing display of public greed. but i'll tell you, i don't know, i think she could be taking a page from her wild-spending son. remember him? the late, great michael jackson? he knew how to spend. that's tonight's "top of the block." the tragic death of anna nicole smith. who is responsible for her death? the drug-pushing enablers or concerned friends? anna nicole smith died from an overdose of prescription drugs. were they needed? was she overmedicated? that's all the stuff they're trying to determine in a los angeles courtroom right now as we speak. a preliminary hearing being held this week to find out if the
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one-time playmate was illegally furnished drugs. now, just on the stand, a pharmacist by the name of ira freeman. he said he warned anna's doctors that she was being given too many drugs and was at risk for pharmaceutical suicide. what did the drugs do to smith? well, take a look at this video her long-time companion, howard k. stern, took. >> this footage is worth money. >> why? what footage? >> this thing you're looking into. >> a camera. >> exactly. >> so does that help prove howard k. stern and psychiatrist clift nah eroshevich and dr. san deere kapoor illegally game anna nicole smith drugs? they have all pleaded not guilty. the buxom model dived an accidental overdose at a florida hotel in 2007. back out to my fabulous panel. and again we have to go back out to kim serafin, senior editor of
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"in touch weekly." sort it out for us. there's a whole lot going on at this hearing. i understand some fireworks also between larry birkhead and the prosecutors? >> exactly. a lot going on. as you just mentioned, this pharmacist said that anna would be committing pharmaceutical suicide had he filled these prescription that's he got faxed to him. he was so concerned that he actually consult aid pharmaceutical expert, someone he had worked with, who said dr. eroshevich apparently was out of her league when he saw this list of what was being prescribed to her. and as you mentioned, there are some fireworks too. now, larry birkhead in his testimony-e said that he felt he was being encouraged to ramp um the testimony to try to curry sympathy about dannielynn because of one of these deputy d.a.s who said something to him. this deputy d.a. also apparently said to him that she felt that he was taking howard k. stern's side in this. and now apparently this deputy d.a. is no longer serving as a
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deputy d.a. on the case, is back to being a law clerk -- >> all right. this is a huge can of worms. thanks for explaining it. but let's try to sort it out in depth. larry birkhead, as we all know, is the father of anna nicole smith's daughter, dannielynn. when anna nicole smith first died, birkhead was very outspoken at a hearing in florida about anna nicole smith's behavior vis-a-vis drugs. now it seems like he's maybe changing his tune a little bit. listen to this. >> at times i took her presidency and i was told by mr. stern to give it back to her because she needed it to live. and in addition to that, i -- i just told her over and over again. i said don't, something's going to happen to you, something's going to happen. >> with anna she always referenced you back to the doctor's name with the name on
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the bottle. sow took some comfort that a doctor was prescribing this and someone who was supposed to be of the right mind in charge of this. >> so kim serafin, explain this to me. some people feel like larry birkhead is now somehow aligned with howard k. smith and is somehow abuse allegation. >> well, again, you know, he is saying that he is not taking howard k. stern's side like he said. he was kind of insulted when this deputy d.a. kind of implied that he was. he said they were riding up in an elevator, and she apparently said to him she thought he was taking howard's side, and he said he's not. he said he's telling it like it is. >> so is he telling it like it is, like she had a problem, anna nicole smith, or his opinion she didn't have a drug problem? >> well, again, we're hearing so many different toemts. it's hard to say that she didn't have a drug problem when you're hearing about people injecting drugs into her. the bodyguard's testimony, going back to that. >> jane?
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