-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com breaking news tonight. colorado, the whole country on pins and needles. a little 6-year-old's life hanging in the balance and the little silver space-like balloon soaring through the clouds. tonight, it apparently all ends in felony charges. that's right. police sheriffs, national guard, volunteers the faa, even a whole airport and commercial carriers trying to save the life of a 6-year-old boy falcon heene, who his brothers and his parents say was trapped in that homemade balloon, racing through the sky. eyewitness reports something or someone falls thousands of feed

in rough terrain near the colorado mountains. after 60 miles of terror, the balloon lands. no boy. was he dead? was he injured? was he lying down some ravine with every bone in his body broken? oh no! he was hiding in the family attic the whole time. blurting out on national tv it was all "for the show." on not one but two morning shows, that same child so nervous, he vomits, when asked the same question. bye-bye, reality show, hello cell block. >> so it was an experimental plane? >> yeah. it's a flying saucer. >> it's a flying saucer? >> yeah. >> and that's gone, too, right? >> i'm sorry? >> how long -- is the flying saucer gone as well? >> yes. about 20 minutes, i think. >> its they've both been missing

about 20 minutes? >> yes. >> okay. >> oh, my god. my son. >> it has been determined that this is a hoax. that it was a publicity stunt. we believe that we have evidence at this point to indicate that it was a publicity stunt done with the hopes of marketing themselves, or better marketing themselves for a reality television show at some point in the future. >> did you hear us calling your name at any time? >> mm-hmm. >> you did? >> you did? >> why didn't you come out? >> um, because we did this for a show. >> and tonight a college football star on scholarship university connecticut, at a college dance, stabbed to death.

who cut this all-american's life short? nobody knows? at a college dance, packed with students nobody knows nobody sees a thing? no way. tonight, who ended the life of 20-year-old football star, jasper howard? a huskies homecoming dance party turns deadly after an altercation ends in the stabbing death of the star corner back jasper howard. >> 20-year-old jasper howard died of a single stab wound to the stomach. just before he was killed howard called his mom. >> that night i talked to him. i won't talk to him no more. >> it happened after a fire alarm went off, this is at a dance, at the student center. this happened just after midnight. hundreds of people ran out into the streets and a fight broke

out. >> as far as what the altercation was about, that actually is a subject of continuing investigation. >> we have not identified a suspect in this case. however, we are pursuing active leads. >> i just hope whoever did it turns themselves in. he didn't deserve this. he didn't deserve it. >> and tonight, live texas a 3-year-old little boy in extreme danger stolen from his own home after the boy's young mother found murdered on her bedroom floor. why? you know what? i don't care why. i just want to know tonight where is 3-year-old mitchell romero. an amber alert has been issued for 3-year-old richard romero, whose mother was found murdered inside the family home.

police believe richard is in grave and immediate danger. >> denver city police arrived to 212 east tenth street to find 29-year-old veronica romero dead inside. >> the boy was last seen in the company of his father, inside a maroon gmc. >> we've been talking to family members on both sides. it's just a matter of time before we're able to talk to them. >> three of veronica's sisters visited with police. a sister back at their home told us 33-year-old mario romero had abused veronica in the past and "it was a sure thing he's her murderer." >> romero is considered a person of interest and wanted for questioning. authorities in mexico are also on the lookout. as reports surfaced romero may be trying to take mitchell across the border. >> good evening.

i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. live, colorado the whole country on pins and needles. a little 6-year-old boy's life hanging in the balance. and a beautiful silver space-like balloon soaring through the clouds. tonight, apparently it will all end in felony charges. bye-bye reality show, hello cell block. >> is this richard? >> yes it is. >> how long has the 6-year-old been missing? >> just a few minutes. >> was the flying saucer in the backyard? >> yes. >> so it obviously has electronics so he knows how to work it? he gets it up off the air -- off the ground? >> no he doesn't know how they operate. >> he does not know how to operate it? that's gone, too right? you're sure he's in that? >> yeah, we looked everywhere. and my son said he was terrified. we had it tethered. it wasn't supposed to take off. >> these people are actors.

they established a relationship was in acting school in hollywood. they put on a very good show for us, and we bought it. >> absolutely no hoax. i want your questions in a box. i'll get right back to you, okay? >> one of the guys told me it was for some tv show. so that's what he was referring to. >> oh. >> that's what he was referring to when he made that statement. >> straight out to dan simon, cnn national correspondent. joining us from the heene home. dan, thank you for being with us. what's the latest, dan? >> reporter: well, i can tell you that richard heene is doing something he doesn't normally do nancy, and that is he's keeping a low profile today. we saw him emerge from the house once with his entire family got into a pickup truck apparently drove to a grocery store. he's back in his home tonight. not making any statements. probably on the advice of his attorney. in terms of how this all came to

light, what we are hearing from authorities is that they wanted to bring richard heene in for questioning. and they did so used a little bit of trickery. they told him, why don't you come to the sheriff's station and we'll give you the rest of your balloon. he thinks he's going to pick up that balloon. lo and behold, the cops start questioning him. from what we understand, they administered a polygraph. we don't know the results of that polygraph. in any case they questioned heene. meanwhile, their investigators come over to the house behind me, and question the rest of the family. they question the wife and they question the children. and at that point, after all the questioning is over authorities were convinced that it was absolutely a hoax. nancy? >> we are taking your calls, live, joining us there at the scene fort collins, california, cnn's national correspondent, dan simon. to peter marcus assistant editor of the "denver daily news." peter, thank you for being with us. peter, take me back to the very

beginning. what happened? >> well, you know, the whole world was held captive. we thought that little falcon was flying across the colorado skies in a flying saucer/balloon. and then this weekend, we hear from the sheriff's department that they're saying this whole thing was a hoax. >> i want to go to clark goldman, our producer on the story. a lot of people took a look at this thing and were convinced nobody could actually be inside of it. where was the boy the whole time? >> nancy, law enforcement investigators actually decided they wanted to contact aerospace engineers who used to work for the u.s. armed services to determine whether it could actually hold a 36-pound boy,ful con. law enforcement searched that house at the very outset and did not find falcon. they admitted a few hours later maybe we didn't search that home as thoroughly as we should have. it turned out later that falcon was then believed to be up in the crawl space, or the attic that whole time. however, since then, the sheriff of larimer county has said it's not clear, falcon could have

been somewhere else and then come back himself to the home. >> dan simon, back to you joining us at the heene home, dan, how did the whole thing crack wit open? >> reporter: well, you know there was that interview last thursday on "larry king live." wolf blitzer was hosting. there was that question by the father, richard heene, to his son saying hey when you were up in the attic, did you hear us calling your name? the boy says yeah. they said, why didn't you come out? he says, well we did it for the show. well, everybody saw that. and it immediately raised suspicions both on the part of law enforcement, everybody of course, who was watching this. authorities grew suspicious they wanted to question the heenes, and said they wanted to continue to have their trust. over the weekend, they brought in the heenes for questioning. they brought richard in to the sheriff's station. they administered -- apparently administered a polygraph at that time. and investigators came to the house, did another line of questioning. and we don't know if there was a

confession or whatever was said, but all we know is after those interviews took place, authorities came out and said it was a hoax. >> let's take a listen to what happened on national tv. >> did you hear us calling your name at any time? >> mm-hmm. >> you did? >> you did? >> why didn't you come out? >> um because you guys said that we did this for a show. >> one of the guys told him it was for a tv show. that's what he was referring to. >> oh. >> that's what he was referring to when he made that statement. >> and i know i want to point out that the sheriff's office said last night that they believe your account of what happened. but they do want to question you a little bit more.

>> falcon? are you okay there? >> mm-hmm. >> are you sure? >> he's tired. >> i feel like i'm going to vomit. >> oh. >> are you okay buddy? >> no. >> i think he's queasy. >> the child's so sick when he's asked that same question, after his appearance being interviewed by wolf blitzer on cnn, he vomits on national tv. unleash the lawyers. sue moss alex sanchez and anne bremner. high-profile lawyer joining us out of seattle. what's your defense of parents that apparently put their child on the air? he blurts out we did it for a show on cnn. then when he's asked that question again, he's so upset, he vomits.

on national tv. on "today" and abc? >> you know nancy, i knew you were going to ask me that. it's a terrible situation, but nobody died. it was a hoax. >> please answer the question. >> my defense is we got to see all the fax in the thing. art doesn't imitate art it imitates bad tv.

he has no idea how to turn it or anything? is that right? no instruction has been given to him? >> no. >> he doesn't know how to land or anything? >> no.

he was just supposed to be in the backyard. >> felony charges may be filed against richard and mayumi heene, claiming their 6-year-old son was onboard a homemade mylar balloon when it floated away from their backyard thursday afternoon. >> it wasn't until the larry king show where the family was interviewed by wolf blitzer, that we had the first aha moment. >> did you hear us calling your name at any time? >> mm-hmm. >> you did? >> you did? >> well, why didn't you come out? >> um you guys said that, um, we did this for a show. >> when wolf talked to the father, and the father was asking, you saw the one little boy look at the mommy like uh-oh. >> the fact that he would want his child to lie for him that's the lesson he's teaching his child, lie to get whatever you want in life. that's the damage here. >> they're my clients, so i've heard a lot from them.

obviously this is something the public rolls their eyes at unfortunately, but the presumption of innocence should be given to them. >> if she lied to 911 about the life of her son, susan moss, alex sanchez, anne bremner. susan moss what charges could they be facing? >> absolutely filing a false police report also endangering a child and others. their parental rights might go up, up and away and be in will jail. which could be a maximum of 13 years based on the felonies they could be charged with. >> sanchez? it's incredible. it's like this whole world has this couple convicted already. based on the information i have seen and read, i don't see enough evidence at all which would justify an arrest at this point. maybe the police have some information we're not aware of. but based on what i have heard this case is based on speculation, on theory and on suspicion. >> really?

well, let me just refresh your recollection. to you peter marcus with the "denver daily news," what can you tell me about reported communications between a research assistance, or a prior employee with mr. heene many many weeks before regarding a stunt like this? >> yeah well, i think that was obviously the big twist to come out of this today is that gawker.com, this website, they say they purchased this story from a robert thomas, who's a 25-year-old researcher, who was working with definitely richard heene on developing some sort of science-based reality television show. and in their conversation, richard had mentioned that he established some sort of a publicity stunt on the level of roswell. he's a bit of a ufo guy. and that, you know that could create quite a buzz, quite a stir for the reality show that

they had been developing. >> right. to dan simon, how long before this stunt actually occurred were these communications? >> reporter: the communications between who, nancy? >> between the employee and mr. heene? >> reporter: you know, i'm really not sure how long they were talking. but, you know one of the things that i think is absolutely fascinating that we heard today is that this balloon, everybody has seen it when you take a 37-pound boy, they had a physics professor come and take a look at it they said there is absolutely no way it could have even lifted off the ground. >> as it turns out, those conversations about this stunt took place last march. that's how long this has allegedly been in the planning.

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university of connecticut is mourning a star football player, soon-to-be dad. >> it all started around 12:30 sunday morning when someone pulled a fire alarm in the "u" forcing the crowd of more than 300 people, uconn students and others, outside. uconn police tell me that's when a fight started between the two groups, and 20-year-old howard and one other were stabbed multiple times. >> one of the victims who was stabbed has actually died. jasper howard, a uconn student, suspect remains at large. >> there was an altercation. he got stabbed in the stomach. he went through surgery.

4:00 i call, the doctor told me he didn't make it. i was here at home watching the game. i watched the whole game. after the game he called me and was very excited. i talked to him for a while, then i talked to him and i i can't talk to him no more. >> straight out to al jones with 1010 wins joining us at uconn campus. al jones, i don't understand how at a college dance, i mean, certainly you've been to a college dance before, at a college dance, a fight breaks out. the place is packed with witnesses. a star student scrubbed in sunshine, a good kid, gets stabbed to death, and nobody sees a thing? i don't believe that.

>> well, there are some witnesses. they have talked to a number of students who were there. they also have another football player by the name of brian parker who was actually there and has helped them identify at least one person involved in the fight. that person was arraigned earlier today on charges of breach of pe not charged in the stabbing, mind you, but held on $100,000 bail. they're also asking for other students to come forward. and of course, there are security cameras around campus. it's the matter of, did they manage to catch some of the action on tape. >> to marlaina schiavo, our reporter, producer there also at uconn campus. marlaina, let me get something straight. has an eyewitness told police who did the stabbing? >> police have not said that any eyewitnesses have told them who did the stabbing, however, nancy, police have indicated they may know who this person is because they said they don't think it's a uconn

student. now, how would they know that? they obviously have someone in mind that doesn't go to uconn but might be a part of this. >> marlaina, what do we know about this young man? >> we know nancy, that he comes from miami. he was on a full athletic scholarship. he was a star football player. he won this huge game that day. he was at the dance that night. we know that he came -- his mother said he came from miami, you know, to get away from the violence. unfortunately, that didn't happen the other night obviously. we also know he was a father to be. his girlfriend is pregnant. she's here right now along with his mother and that's what we know right now. >> take a listen to what police had to say. >> this is a dance, a scheduled and sponsored dance that was occurring at the student union. at 12:26 while the dance was

going on, someone pulled a fire alarm pull station which evacuated the dance out onto the street. there were approximately in the neighborhood of 300-plus people who were attending the dance, and they were in the street. an altercation occurred and concluded with the stabbing of two individuals. >> my thought and prayers go out to his mother because as many of you know the background where he grew up through young childhood, through high school, to not only live through it but to get through it and be able to get a chance to get out of there was a miracle in itself. and the idea of him coming all the way up to connecticut where his mother thought he was safe, that he would grow up into a better man, and come back and

support his family like he was planning on doing, is heartbreaking. >> i just hope whoever did it turns himself in. because he didn't deserve this. he didn't deserve it. >> to marlaina schiavo, our producer there at uconn campus, what else can you tell me, marlaina? >> i can tell you, right now there's still a killer on the loose. no one is in custody for this crime. we also know that jasper died with -- the cause of death was one stab wound to the abdomen. obviously the manner of death is homicide. so we have no idea who did this, but cops are eager to find out more information, nancy. >> okay. marlaina, i want to clear something up. first you told me that they think they know who did it.

because that's not the impression i had at all. so if you would be so kind to clear up for me what exactly the status is, marlaina, because you've given me two completely different answers. it's my understanding that witnesses are not naming a killer. and they were all right there. do we have a composite? do we have a name? is anybody giving it up? >> no. not at all, nancy. that's what i said. no witnesses have given up the name. the only thing police have told us is they are pretty sure it wasn't a uconn student. they've narrowed it down to that aspect. but no there are no names flying around. there's been no witnesses that have -- not one witness has come forward to say this is who did it. >> let's unleash the lawyers. susan moss alex sanchez and anne bremner. bremner, it was lik when shu pack was killed. he was ki8d on the street, on the vegas strip. which has got thousands of people on it.

24/7. 365. and nobody saw a thing. nobody can name who did it. no matter how about it was investigated. same thing here. nobody knows anything. nobody can give a name. nobody can give a good identification. that is b.s. and think about it. think about it anne. when i go home to those twins tonight, my prayer is that i live to get them through school to get them into college. here's this young man he's making it. he's on a scholarship. he's finlly making it. and then this happened. did you see his mother? >> oh my god. >> crying? there's a baby on the way. the mother the baby, and nobody will talk? i tell you what if one of those witnesses were your client, anne bremner? all hell would break loose if i was on that prosecution team. let me tell you. >> that's the thing nancy, you're so right. i've seen it in cases since i was a baby prosecutors hundreds

of witnesses and nobody saw a thing. homicide right in front of them. and hopefully someone's watching your show right now, nancy and sees, and will come forward. because somebody saw something. he was stabbed to death. >> and to you dr. perper, how could one stab wound inflict so much damage? >> because the stab wound to the abdomen can go upwards, and can hit the heart or major blood vessel, such as the aorta, or a major vein in the vein a cavea. one single stab wound deep enough and directed to the proper direction is going to cause that. >> look at this video of him, doctor. he's young. he's athletic. he's giving 200%. he's out there slugging it out on the field. he's attending classes. and this. to be stabbed to death at a dance. everybody, we are taking your calls. i want to give you the tip line,

860-486-4800. tonight, a mother's heart is broken. we are taking your calls. to tonight's safety tip, one in every four women will experience domestic violence. it often begins with threats, name calling, it escalates to physical violence, beating sex assault, even murder. if you are in immediate danger obviously call 911. the but secondary get guidance from any women's hotline in your neighborhood. get a plan. especially if you have children.

>> i promise you, not only will he live on through his child's life, but he'll always live on through this team's heart and mine forever. >> at least two of our guys when this took place, one had jasper in his arms and the other was pressuring the -- where the wound went in. you know, and had blood on his hands. and those two young men i know are pretty deeply affected right now. >> about 12:33 a.m., uconn police and general patrol were notified of a stabbing that had just occurred just off of hillside road in the area of the student union. the police officer investigating quickly determined there were two stabbing victims in close proximity to each other. >> howard and another student were stabbed, and howard died. no suspect has been named. >> there was an altercation. he got stabbed in the stomach.

he had went through surgery. 4:00 i call. the doctor told me he didn't make it. >> both stabbing victims were taken to area hospitals. one treated and released. howard was pronounced dead hours after the incidents at st. francis hospital in hartford where his coach stood watch all night. a campus-wide alert was issued early sunday and uconn pd have stepped up their patrols around campus in the wake of the incident. they're working with state police on the investigation. >> back to dr. joshua perper. doctor, you were explaining how one stab wound could cause so much damage. >> well, if a stab wound is applied to the upper portion of the abdomen, there is a possibility that the track of the wound is going to be directed toward the heart, so

the person may have a stab wound in the heart which may be fatal. in the same way, one of the major arteries of the body, the aorta, can be cut. so this would explain why the death occurred so fast and they were not able to assist the person because apparently there was medical assistance or assistance even very early after the incident occurred. >> to sergeant scott haynes, sheriff's officer, santa rosa county, florida. what do you make of the fact that no one has come forward with a name or even a description of the killer? >> in a situation like that, there was a fire alarm that was pulled. there was a lot of chaos going on. a lot of people were outside. so there was a lot of distractions. some people may not have been focusing their attention to something like that. unfortunately in stabbing situations, there's no noise, there's no gunshots. there may be people who weren't aware this actually went on due to their attention diverted to other places.

that does make it more difficult. there's obviously some people right there that know what happened, and hopefully they'll come forward and report it. >> sergeant, i'm sorry, somebody was speaking in my ear. can you repeat that again? sorry, i couldn't hear you. >> sure. the fire alarm that was pulled, that diversion, there was chaos from that. the mass exodus from the building, and a large amount of people. and with a stabbing situation, there's no gunshot. it's a very quiet crime. the people who are in the immediate area may have known what went on, but this person, if he was taken by surprise, he probably didn't realize what happened right away. so some people may not even realize that they witnessed a stabbing until they hear about this on the news and maybe they'll start coming forward. but there was a lot of things that were taking people's attention into other directions at the time. >> i want to go to dr. leslie austin, psychotherapist joining us out of new york. dr. austin, why is nobody coming forward?

>> well in fact, people may not have seen it or they may be frightened. we don't know who their friends were. we need to let the police do their work and get a lot more detail. somebody will say something somewhere soon enough and they'll find their man. >> we're taking your calls. sandy, ohio. what's your question? fers >> caller: hi, nancy, my husband, mark and i don't miss a show. >> thank you. >> caller: i have a two-part question. >> okay. >> caller: the college dances, are they like the high school dances and you must attend there to go to the dance? >> i can tell you that right now. no. because there were non-students and college students there. go ahead. >> caller: okay. the second part is, was the fire alarm pulled to get everybody outside so this could happen? is that what they're thinking? >> good question. al jones with 1010 wins joining us at uconn campus. al, what do we know about the fire alarm being pulled? >> the alarm was pulled at 12:26. as the sheriff's deputy said you had a lot of confusion,

people leaving from different exits. you may have had 300 people coming out but not all to one collective place. i talked to one student who said there was a number of people arguing, pushing and shoving. if you think about it, nancy, if you shove somebody or stab somebody it's almost the same motion in the dark. the fact nobody saw the stabbing or have not told police about it is not that surprising. >> al, i've investigated many, many many many homicides. and more than that i can even count. and i find it very, very difficult to believe that nobody in a packed dance at college saw who took a knife and stabbed this young man to death. i don't believe nobody saw anything and i find it very hard to believe that no one is coming forward.

to teresa in michigan. hi, dear, what's your question? >> caller: hi, nancy. i'm a big fan of your show. thanks for taking my call. >> thank you, and thank you for calling in. >> caller: i was wondering about the fire alarm pulled, too. would they have a camera on the person that pulled the fire alarm? because it sounds like it was a setup to get him outside. >> you know, teresa, i'm under the same thing. back when annie le was murdered, remember, at yale? the police kept saying there was no connection between the fire alarm and the murder. b.s. now, here with so many people there, i think it's more possible it wasn't connected. but al didn't you say that there was surveillance video? >> there are surveillance cameras, police will say numerous around campus. they won't give us a set number. whether there were cameras trained on that one spot, if they have any video they have not shared that information with us. >> good. us.

>> good. al joining us. very quickly, everyone i want to tell you about a 3-year-old boy missing, his mom dead. take a listen. >> police desperate to find a missing 3-year-old boy believed in immediate and grave danger. an amber alert issued for mitchell romero after his mother, veronica was found murdered inside her home. police say mitchell was last seen with his father mario in a maroon 2004 gmc yukon with texas license plates. >> to michael bohr -- michael, what happened? >> nancy, the latest, veronica row mayra was tlid rest in the tiny texas town of denver city a city of only about 4,000 people. i talked to it a long-time city worker and they said at least a decade since there was a murder in this city. her husband who may have well murdered her in cold blood, still on the run have their

3-year-old child with him. police, very eager to speak to him.

thursday night just after 6:00 denver city police arrived to 212 east tenth street to find 29-year-old veronica romero dead inside. first, the start of of a murder investigation. then, the search for the woman's missing 3-year-old boy. the man police want romero's husband, mario. the father of little mitchell. >> we've been talking to family members on both sides. so, just a matter of time before we are able to it talk to him. >> three of veronica's sisters visited with police. a sister back at their home told us the 33-year-old had abused her in the past and said it is quote, a sure thing he's her murderer. police say he is considered a person of interest in the murder, wanted for questioning. authorities in mexico are also on the lookout reports surface

romero may be trying to take mitchell across the border. >> back to michael board with wai. excuse me, i've gotten a horrible cold from my son. michael, the mother is found dead in her bedroom floor by whom? >> by ler sister and very well may have been dead a couple of days before her sister found her there on her bedroom floor. >> michael, that is the most significant part of the puzzle to me this guy apparently has gotten several days' head start on police. >> and very easily he could have slipped already across the border to mexico, that's what police are thinking right now. the drive from denver city, texas to el paso is about four hours, very easy to do not too problem. the juarez border passing in el paso is probably the busiest in the nation, literally thousands of people stream back and forth all day, very easy to blend into that crowd nancy. >> sheba, illinois, 45 seconds

left dear, your question and hello? >> caller: okay. you are fixing to go to the terrible 2s, darling'. >> i'm ready. >> caller: okay. my question is when was the last time the father was seen in that vicinity? >> good question. michael board, what do we know. >> last time he was seen last week sometime. they don't know if he was with that child that day. they lived together in the same house. how do we know that? earlier this year he pled guilty to beating her up in that home, a scumbag who is capable of doing anything to people who make him mad. nancy, lord only knows what he will do with this child when this child starts crying asking where his mommy s. that's why we need to find this guy as soon as possible. >> tip line: please help us find this little boy in so much danger. let's stop and remember army national guard sergeant jeremiah holmes, 27 maine killed iraq

awarded bronze star purple heart loved riding his harley swimming playing horseshoes and building. lost his mom at 13 to murder. did not live to see his mom's killer brought to justice. leaves behind grieves grandmother vivian, four siblings widow best friend kimberly. 6-year-old son caleb. jeremiah holmes american hero. thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us. see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp eastern. until then, good night, friend.

tonight, president obama and the republicans may be reaching common ground for the common good trying to counter beck, rush, and the right-wing crazies. then i'll talk to -- a comedian actress and author of "what would susie say to discuss among other things how to tell if your husband is gay. in the studio another very funny woman, always fabulous,

garry shand ling. all that and more right now. it looks like the obama administration is taking no prisoners, they are going after glenn beck, rush limbaugh, fox news, wall street and the united states chamber of commerce. is this a smart move or merely feeding the media frenzy? here we me now is peter sagal. nia melee henderson and ari -- welcome, everybody. nia, let me start with you. politico ran the first of a two-part series talking about the white house's attack. what is their strategy? >> it's a strategy they decided on in august. after a pretty rough summer they had where sarah palin was essentially able to kind of define the health care strategy

from using facebook. they essentially decided to get tough on the opposition. it's very much kind of a continuation of the 2008 campaign where they're going after rush limbaugh, they're going after glenn beck and really what they're trying to do is marginalize folks who are the opposition. in that way the real kind of strategy is really looking to 2010 and 2012. you know, in kind of marginalizing rush limbaugh, they might inflate his ratings or marginalizing glenn beck my get more viewers to fox. what they ultimately do, at least is their hope, they will damage the republican brand with the american people. >> ah-ha. you know, only 21% of americans identify themselves as republicans. isn't this overkill in a way? >> well some people certainly see it that way. you heard, today, for instance, lamar alexander on the senate floor saying it's reminiscent of the enemy list nixon had that started with 20 people and grew

to something like 30,000 people by the time it was all over. some people are making that argument. >> we can air that. lets's show republican senator ramar alexander who worked in the next son administration. he had some advice for obama. take a look. >> i want to make what i hope to be a friendly suggestion to president obama and his white house. it is this. don't create an enemy's list. >> doesn't everybody have an enemy's list? >> i do. >> the nixon administration is notorious for it. but i'm sure clinton had one. everybody's got one, right? >> yeah. >> go ahead, peter >> i find it hard to take seriously advice from a man whose name sounds like a spanish verb. lamar. lamar. >> lamar. >> remember when he ran for president, his campaign slogan was lamar with an exclamation point. which sounded like an order. everybody, lamar!

i'm sorry, this is beside the point. >> "dancing with the stars." >> this is exactly the point. the point is that we forget nixon didn't just have an enemy's list. he used the machinery of the government, the irs, the fbi, a hired band of criminals and thieves to actually attack physically sometimes his enemies. >> let me tell you some of the people on his list. kennedy, sargent shriver, birch bay. >> birch bay. >> bay? the black panthers, barbra streisand -- >> bill cosby was on there. >> wait a minute, carol chaning, come on? "hello dolly"? >> we go from fear and anger to pity. >> i mean it's weird, isn't it? >> i know. >> nixon's enemy list backfired. is this going to backfire on obama? >> it was the fact he sent a group of criminals to break into

their offices. >> yeah, that's a distinction using the federal government to essentially target folks. that's certainly not what anybody thinks the obama administration is doing. but i think the danger here is you know this kind of slippery slope argument and also, the image of the white house by taking on glenn beck. i don't know how many viewers he gets, but the larger question is how many believe what he's saying. essentially, isn't it just entertainment what glenn beck does and rush limbaugh? >> what do you think, ari? >> i mean i think this is working for the white house because they are publicly calling these people out. it is not a secret enemy's list. in the case of fox they are driving a wedge between some of the most irresponsible and hateful people on those channels. channels. greta came on saying i'm not like these people. >> turning. turning. >> i love it. >> what could validate it more saying i'm not like the other guys. that fits that fox has been

irresponsible and a political opponent and treated like one. >> do you think msnbc will be calling greta? >> to lure her back to the fold? >> i don't know if i can handicap that. you have that piece and also people have to remember president obama was under fire from his base over afghanistan and how far he was going on health care. this is a win there because he gets to go on offense without doing anything on policy. he's just taking out these different people going after the chamber, giving that fight people were missing in august. it's smart politics for his base and it's public. again, it's not secret. people can see the fight. >> he's been seen as wishy washy. somebody who's not taking on the right in a forceful way. this is the attack going on now. >> these are easy targets, too. i mean glenn beck and rush limbaugh i'm sure their favorability ratings aren't too high so i think it is easy to do. >> i disagree. i don't think they are easy targets. glenn beck targeted people and gotten them removed from the administration. sean hannity has spotlighted

certain protest movements like the tea party guys but completely ignored what else is going on in the world. i challenge anyone at fox to show us coverage of gay rights rallies and other grass roots movements, they don't cover it. >> they don't cover it. >> i think the question is, can rush limbaugh turn people out to the polls? can glenn beck drive folks to the polls? and i think that's still an open question. i mean you saw david brooks do a column early on in the "new york times" that essentially said, yes these people have huge megaphones and platforms but in terms of really driving policy or even driving people to the polls, they are not able to do that. >> let's listen to what dana perino said, george w.'s former press secretary. she said: they won, why don't they act like it. it's been ten months and they are burning bridges. >> i know her. she's a lovely woman.

she got up and said things about msnbc. the bush white house sent out the press releases. further, all presidential administrations attack the press. i talked to a reporter the other day -- >> but is it a good strategy, really? didn't bush look bad when he sent helen thomas to the back of the room? that was bad. >> bad to whom. it could be where the average person in america could care less. it's been going on forever. this reporter said he got a call from the clinton white house, then screamed at him for coverage. it happens all the time. >> and helen thomas was asking hard questions about our foreign policies. >> glenn beck is asking stupid questions about birth certificates. there's a difference about people doing real journalism and screaming at the president and stoking racial hatred. so, it's different. >> do you think there's nobody on fox he could talk to? i point to chris wallace's show. chris wallace is fairly balanced himself. his panel is somewhat balanced. he has juan williams, as well as the heinous bill crystal.

but -- >> i didn't realize is that his first name? >> no, it's lamar crystal. speak to me, nia, go ahead. >> even garrett, he's a straight up guy. he does straight-up reporting. but i think -- that's the danger. if you equate all of fox news with glenn beck, i mean it's not the case. as your other guests said, it looks like folks are trying to distance themselves from other people on fox news. also what i think maybe is smart on this strategy, you are seeing republicans also start to distance themselves. you had lindsey graham come out and say beck is a clown. >> that's the key to the story. right there. >> that's the part of this good for our debate separate if it's good for the obama administration. even you if don't like the administration, the quarantining of the toxic conservative fringe voices is g. i guarantee the republicans will do better if we hear more about olympia

snowe and lindsey graham who is not with the president on health care which is a reasonable voice. than these folks who have no constituency only millionaire budgets to offend all of us. >> i love the way you use the word quarantine like they all have swine flu. >> worse than swine flu. >> i take issue with one thing. i don't think they are either a, republicans or b, conservatives. >> what are they? >> i think they are conspiracy theorists. whether they are picking on the jews or masons or lizards from space, they believe there's somebody out there against your interests and only i know the truth. in this case, it's progressives. they used to work on making "liberal" a bad word so liberals started calling themselves progressives and now they are going after progressives. glenn beck equated them with tynerny and slavery 200 years as if he's our weapon against people. >> well, he just twists everything around, you know. i mean, that is his way of doing it. but, he has a huge audience. that's the problem

>> does he? >> yes, he does. and he makes millions. we don't know his numbers exactly -- >> 2 or 3 or 4 million? >> he's got one of the highest rating shows. in an early hour he has a radio show reaching more -- >> and limbaugh's got books doing well. >> he's got books and limbaugh has all those ditto heads. a lot of people out there. thanks very much. thank you to my panel. up next, susie essman. how to tell if your husband is gay or not. it should be interesting.

i know you took the doll, ted, where is it? where's the [ bleep ] head?

>> i don't know. >> the kid is home hysterical because her doll, judy has been decapitated. because you two sickos took the head for god knows what reason. >> that is the very hilarious susie essman. in "curb your enthusiasm" an actress that accepts the fact she may up up a fat, bald woman with a dry vagina and a full beard. it's one of the insights in her book. "what would susie say." that's her new book. one of my best friends, susie essman. one of my best friends. >> i know i have to say that, too, one otherwise they call. you know we say best friend in the business. >> that's right. in the business, exactly. >> my friend lisa called me and said i said you were my best friend in the book. >> you know what? too bad, lisa.

>> exactly. >> so, you know i was reading in the book about the comedy days that we went through together in the '80s. you actually used this term, it was quite a romantic time. i don't see it that way. i saw it as a very, very trying time. >> well it was both. it was both. there was a romance to it. it was hot in those days, in the '80s. people were lined up around the block. there was a buzz. in every comedy club and we'd work until 4:00 in the morning then went to the diner. there was a romance to it. >> then chris rock would go on stage. >> he was scared when we were in the audience. >> chris rock was scared of us because he would do like date rape jokes. >> something like that. didn't he one time do a joke and say wait a minute i have to see if behar is in the room. i can't do this joke if she is. >> he's scared of me. let's talk about the other things that were going on at that time. you were having a hard time. we'll get to the funny part in a minute. the tragic part in the book

broke my heart. i didn't know you were so suicidal. >> that was actually before i met you. i perked up once i met you. i met you -- >> must have been the drugs i gave you. >> i met you in 1984. it was pre-doing stand-up. i was in such deep, deep despair, not knowing what i was and what i wanted to do. i knew there was this person i wanted to be and i had no idea how to get there. i was early 20s. it was a very difficult time for people. >> you had a miserable boyfriend. what was wrong with him? was he a narcissist like your father? >> in a word yeah. you know what he was having his own struggles at the time. it wasn't so much him, it was us together. >> you talk about a scene where he and your father are talking about you. >> yeah, they talked about me. >> tell me about that. >> i was in a play, they were in the living room talking about me

as though i wasn't there. and they were talking about how bad i was as an actress in the play in front of me. yeah, she wasn't very good. no, no. really? thank you. no wonder i feel so confident and ready to go out there and go get them! >> yets you now do this character on "curb" that's so empowered. the young girls love it. >> they come up to me and say susie green is my idol. i find that hilarious. >> why do you think? >> because i think she's comfortable with her anger. no, you know me very well. >> yeah. >> susie green is all reactive and you know i'm very analytical. i'm different from her. people don't understand. >> once in awhile. >> don't push me. don't push me. i'll go susie green on you. >> you could. >> she's all gut response. you say something to her she

response. she's got her rules she lives by and she doesn't think about anything and she's totally secure in herself. she's totally secure everything she thinks and says is absolutely correct. which is why she could dress that way. >> yeah, she does a very boca routine in the outfits. >> like brighton beach, you know the russian ladies there brighton beach. she's so secure her taste is impeccable. >> who did you base her on? a myriad. you. i'm kidding. i'm kidding. a combination of people. i made her up. i always thought, you know when you were growing up and there were those girls that were so secure. i was so insecure. you know i kind of based her on those girls completely sure of themselves and secure. >> yeah but they were stupid. >> well she's not the brightest. susie green is no intellectual.

>> back to the suicide attempts. >> yes. >> this quote, that night, i took every pill in my medicine from aspirin to valium to tums. >> i didn't want to have an upset stomach if i was going to be dead. >> then laid down on my sofa hoping to die. >> yeah. i did that more than once, actually. >> really? >> i did it twice. you don't want to be redundant in the book. once is enough. you want to move it along. i don't want people to feel sorry for me. >> tell me how you got out of that. >> i remember the feeling. some people say suicide is a hostile act because it's hostile to the people who love you which it is in a sense. >> yeah. >> but i remember just feeling such depths of pain and despair i just wanted it to be over. every morning, i would wake up and it would be there. this feeling of -- >> the black hole. >> the black hole of self-loathing and just despair. it wouldn't go away.

it would be there the day after and be there for weeks and weeks. william describes it in his book about the darkness of depression. it's not like having a bad day. >> no. >> it's a completely different level. we didn't have prozac then, all that stuff >> there was no medication that would help. >> there are mao inhibitors. i don't know how i got out of it except i think it was stand-up that saved my life. >> i want to talk about that in the next segment. so, don't go away. we'll be right back with susie.

>> i'm very hoarse tonight. i have to apologize, i have a very soar throat. jerry knows why, i know why. enough said. >> i remember that show. jerry didn't know what hit him. >> it's amazing how straight my hair was in that clip. >> i know, they can blow it out. >> i know. >> which do you like? >> i have come to terms with the

curliness. you and both said if we didn't have curly hair, i think we wouldn't have been fun nny. >> yes. the roasts where larry found you, right? >> larry used to write on your show in 1987 on lifetime. we knew him from stand-up. it's another segment we could do another day. he saw me on the roast casting the part of part of jeff's wife. he wanted to have a certain facility with language. >> which you have. >> this character. he saw me and gave me the part. the interesting thing about that is, i almost wasn't on it because comedy, the friars club, which i made my bones at the friars club with all their events -- >> it's not easy. >> it's not easy. >> really dealing with heavy-duty comics over there and they don't really love women. >> legends. >> legends. of course, they are all drooling, but still -- >> they were still legends. alan king, whatever.

so, anyway, the friars club fought for me. comedy central didn't want me. i was not their demographic. >> who was their demographic? >> who knows. >> somebody who was not funny. >> a 12-year-old boy. i don't know who their demographic was. the friars club fought to get me. it's how we do our show for many years. everybody keeps showing up. everybody was knocking us down but you keep showing up and doing good work. >> it took you out of your depression? >> yeah. >> you had a lot of therapy, too. >> the analysis. >> their life opened up for you, after years of having difficulties. >> right. >> and then you got married recently. >> last year. >> at the advanced age of -- >> 53. >> oh you're saying it. >> 53. that was the whole thing. i have a chapter about that. they wanted to put "the new york times" in the announcement.

they wanted to say your age. i thought about it for a while and i thought, to hell with it put my age. i don't give a damn anymore. it became liberating. it said the bride, 53 is keeping her name. every story, in "people," they all said essman, 53. why was that relevant to the story? i would like to know. >> because "people" magazine is like that. before you go because i promoted this. you must tell people how they know their husband is gay. >> have a chapter, gay, not gay should be gay. >> just give me the first three -- >> he owns five cats. he spends a lot of time worrying about pillow shams. he rolls his eyes and says whatever on at least three occasions. >> what about the photos on the dash. >> that's a whole thing. in hollywood they say if the guy has the photos of the family facing in, then he's straight. if they're facing out he's gay. i say, if he has the pictures of

the family facing the pictures of mario lopez and brad pitt, he's definitely gay >> that's the tip for the day. >> exactly. >> thank you. >> that's it? >> that's it. it goes so fast. it's what would susie stay. she knowss everything. up next, garry shandling. stick around. what a night!

some of you may not know i had a bit of an acting career before i became a talk show host. let's take a look. >> look, garry shandling. >> you have nothing to worry about. >> you listen to what i'm telling you right now. i want you to lay off my relationship with leonard. he's not getting married again. what do you know about relationships, you yutz?!

>> oh, joy and joy is such a perfect name for you. >> that was from the classic '80s sitcom, "the garry shandling show." on shotime, i believe, right? the entire box set is out this week. my guest is the creator and star, actor, comedian, gary shandling. >> thank you. >> yea! >> thank you. i can't believe you had to read that. i mean, you know me. >> i know i like tock work with the prompter. i'm like obama. you don't forget stuff, you know. >> oh man like the supreme court justice had to swear him in and screwed it up go back to the swearing-in. talk about a prompter. he couldn't get that out. you need a prompter sometimes. i'd give anything if there was something behind you with jokes. >> they're in front of you. >> i can't look at you and the notes at the same time.

>> i'm going to have to do that. >> well that's -- >> i'm doing that. that's cheating but thank you for mentioning the box set. i thought that was sexist and you couldn't say that. >> it is. >> i never know what's sexist. i guess it's all contents f. you're a box set it's okay to say? >> yeah, it is. >> if you have a box set, hey hey, where are you going, buddy >> just the box. >> boob tube. >> let's go back to your show, "the garry shandling show." >> i don't rer -- >> do you remember anything about the show? >> excuse me? i'm aur i got excited. first of all i love "sex in the city," oh wait that's "the view." >> "the view" -- no "sex in the city." >> that was in the '85 to '86 to '90, i think. >> yeah it was a long time ago. >> now, i -- this is what happened. upon gathering outtakes, i've

never said that phrase and i don't think anybody does, it's a showbizness term. s it dee what we do at christmas in show business, we gather outtakes of -- so we're looking at the tape for the dvd and there you are, then you on the wing and you in other episodes and i'm going, i don't remember joy -- i never made the connection. so, you have to help me because what is your -- obviously, i'm the guy finally who said i'm the jeff bukuk of my show. >> he's the head of time-warner, in case -- for those of you who don't know. there's more. they have more footage. i played someone who was dead. look straight ahead. >> okay. >> i was dead in the show >> that's cool, you have more than one tv. >> i was dead on the show. you don't remember. you don't have to remember.

maybe you had medication at the time. and it's not coming back to you >> i had no -- >> let's move on from that show. >> can you imagine if i'm like on medication, add medication to it. what kind of -- medication. some kind of medication that was, you know it was bad to take medication back then and now there's, what, 50 kinds of medication advertised on tv? >> i know. what's your favorite. >> i like the one where the guy has to go to the bathroom and can't get through the golf game. i'm sad for him >> do you suffer from that? >> no. i'm suffering from something because -- but i can't -- then there's the one where they just foreclosed that's horrible and melting gold, sending in jewelry, he said. there's a lot of sad people. i can't tell who has had their house foreclosed. >> the viagra commercial. they are happy, viva viagra they are very happy, those people. >> you mean on the mexican

channel? >> yes. >> i had been melting gold. >> yes, okay. >> you have no interest in the melting gold. >> not really, no. >> i had my eye on your earrings i'll be honest with you. >> these are not real. let's talk about -- >> you seem to be in control. i'm impressed. >> let's talk about your career. are you interested in talking about that? >> yes. can you do ten seconds. you remember doing the show and what i was like? because you were fantastic. you came back and did different kinds of parts. >> i found you to be the star of the show therefore for the really available to me because i was a peon and a player. that's why you don't remember me, i was just a shy little girl -- >> my god, things have really changed. >> i know. i got into stand-up. i was doing stand-up at that time. i don't know about you, but i had to have a near-death experience, divorce and i got fired from my job. in order for me to do stand-up. did you have to have a traumatic event to throw you into

stand-up? >> i had a death experience. it's true. >> did you? death or near-death? because they're different. >> one is on stage. well -- i don't know that they are different for one thing because you are going to say near death. without getting into detail because i don't talk about it to many people let alone publicly and i'm not kidding. you'll know when i'm kidding. >> okay. >> i was hit by a car in '77 or something. i was given a choice if i wanted to live in this body or not. it's no joke. i failed to ask what my choices might be. >> what do you mean to live in this body? they had another body >> we're talking a death experience. >> did you see a light at the end of the tunnel or just in jersey? >> i'm hesitant. it's not something -- it's too intimate to talk about. i would rather come back when

you do a show on death experiences. then i'll feel like -- >> well, we could just turn this segment into a death experience conversation. is that enough? i don't know. >> no because he'll have someone before me or after me that's not talking about me and they'll go my god they were talking about death experiences. i had one. you had one? >> i did. >> did you see a light? >> no. >> there's a similar circumstance with me. i was writing for "sanford and son" and "welcome back kotter" i say a boy but i was 23. i was writing of all shows, "sanford and son" and i had this car accident. i was laying in the hospital and i thought wait a minute. i best do what i want to do. so, i did start working out in the clubs and i had no idea what i was doing. i thought, well, boy, this stand-up is impossible. and i knew there was something

about it that was going to teach me about myself. that is the parallel path i had. >> that's interesting. >> to be yourself, you have to find yourself. because you cannot not be yourself on stage and be really good, in my humble opinion. >> right. >> i think i admire those who are free enough to be themselves, so, you know, as you know, you are searching out what your rhythm is, what you want to talk about. i would say i'm still going through that process. i think it's a never-ending process but i parallel it to real life itself. >> it toughens you up. you know, all those people are waiting for you to make them laugh. >> yeah. >> if you don't, they boo you or don't have you either get back on stage or quit. toughens you. >> well, here we are on tv. some people say, how do you go on tv? don't you get nervous? of course, i do. it's nothing compared to what can happen on the third show in cleveland at 1:00 a.m. with 20

people. >> for fifty bucks. >> i remember walking up and all 20 were drunk. and i'm not kidding 18 or so of them, i still remember it because i counted them were heckling. address h, use they are starting to yell at each other! so, you know, if your crew starts doing that, i can handle it. >> oh, them. >> bring it on. >> okay. i'm going to take a break. we're going to come back. we have a lot with garry shandling tonight. so, don't go away. >> no. >> you've got to be proud. she's in a coma. i know it's all our fault. joy, if you can hear me, we're sorry, really sorry. i guess things got all out of hand. >> we win, we win. >> you're not dying. hell no. i'll dance on your graves. you just gave me a little asthma

attack. >> we beat garry shandling. >> we beat garry shandling.

i told you, i don't want to talk to guests before the show. >> it will never happen again. >> i've never seen "hearts of fire" now i'm involved in a conversation about retooling. >> get out there. >> that show is the funniest thing. that's a scene from one of my favorite shows of all time i'm the larry sanders show." >> that was the show after this. this is the beginning. >> this is the one we're selling right now, the dvd collection. >> the so-called -- so, i came on to plug the dvd and see you. i realized a lot of people come

on the show. i have seen you since the beginning of the show and i want to congratulate you. along with everyone else. >> thank you. you have gotten great guests. it's because of you. no one knew what hln is. i thought it was the home shopping network. i got to be honest with you. i was hoping to buy something. you can't buy those earrings? >> no, i'm not selling these earrings, no. >> so, i'm in the waiting room trying to get in the right mood for this show and of course in the waiting room at hln, is that what it is? >> hln, yes. >> the tv is on with the news and it's just the world is coming to an end. i think it seems pretty -- it seems like jesus was supposed to come by now, wasn't he? >> yeah, he's really late. >> he's really dragging it on. >> he's late. >> although when they arrested roman polanski i thought, oh no, he's wrapping it up. he's wrapping up all the loose end. we are very close to the end

now. >> now, what do you think is going on -- this week, we had action on the health care bill. the baucus bill. what do you think of the health care thing? >> i think, look, this is what nobody talks about. i think people need health care. let's get that out of the way. >> right. >> that's not the point. the government needs a business. it's bankrupt. that's the truth. >> right. >> instead of -- i'd rather them say how do you feel instead of would you like to buy a car. i mean, we've got to give them something because we didn't get the oil out of iraq. everybody forgets -- >> what happened to the oil? >> here's what it is. the universe is expanding. eventually, it's going to collapse on its own and there is going to be nothing. >> when? soon? because i have a lot of things to do. >> i understand it should be a real estate disclosure. you've got to go back. the problem is way before the mortgage crisis. you know, look, i get my eyes checked at the dmv anyway. >> is that how you check your

eyes? >> yeah. it's the government taking care of you anyway. they could just do it at the dmv and add another line to go behind the orange cones and cough. >> there's an idea. >> they are already checking the eyes. how many more, you know -- take the blood pressure here. that's where it will be the highest. >> why do you suppose the democrats are so lame? >> let's get where the problem is. >> yeah. >> we can go name by name, if you want. i cannot watch barack obama is nancy pelosi is behind -- she's in the shot. >> she's always in the shot. >> that's what she's playing, i'm in the shot. i'm in the shot. at least biden pretends to listen. >> yeah. >> speaking as comics, i thought when they yelled hey, you lied, as a professional comedian, i thought his comeback should have been, are you speaking to miss pelosi?

put it off on someone else. >> yeah. but he's a gentleman. he didn't respond, really. he kept going. >> he has a coolness about him. he's going to stick to the material. we know what that feels like when you make that choice. >> when you are bombing, you stick to the act. >> it's a tough crowd. >> i think we were talking about something else and it got me to obama. who, by the way -- look, every minority is reflected in that administration except one and i columbus day week is the time to discuss it. are you aware, there's one minority not reflected. >> columbus was italian. pelosi is italian. >> there's no native american in the administration. >> oh, native american. >> wouldn't you at least think chief of staff? >> you got me there. >> i mean what have we done? what have we done? think about it. it's rahm emanuel in there. i think that's a different tribe. >> he's from the other tribe,

the jewish tribe. obama has also been slammed for afghanistan and the middle east. what about that? >> you were talking about the democrats and republicans. do we have time? >> we have time. >> we could clear up everything. >> just make the leap to afghanistan now. >> well, let me say how they tie in. the partisanship is -- the bipartisanship is nonexist tents. aren't we angry about the partisanship and how -- >> yes we are. >> i really think israelis and palestinians look at the republicans and democrats and say, oh, my god, they are screwed up. we'll fix our problems first. >> exactly. >> but, look it. this guy, in afghanistan, karzai, is he corrupt or not is the question. they just had the election. you got to remember something that he said. and this is true. he said it to cnn, which is in this building -- >> it is?

>> i brought it up five years ago. he said it five years ago. >> what did he say? >> he said, it's going so well here in afghanistan, it's not going to be long before we have tourism. and he said that. why would i -- i couldn't make that up. i don't know how far down your vacation list afghanistan is -- >> right after pakistan. >> i haven't been to vietnam, yet. >> vietnam is now a tourist attraction. people go there all the time. >> well, no thanks. >> it's supposed to be beautiful there. >> well, maybe this time of the decade. >> is there -- >> i think it's a tip something is wrong, when you are trying to spin it that hard, you have to get a different guy in there. they are spinning, spinning too hard. >> isn't it you feel compared to the bush administration, he's doing well? they were so destructive. >> i just think the problem started long before that with

america and what it's all about and we've lost track and we lost track a long time ago. >> as a comedian, do you miss the clinton administration? that was the best. >> no. i don't miss -- >> you don't miss that. >> i don't think i miss any administration. i think it's -- bush didn't follow that simple, simple rule that i grew up with -- >> which was? >> don't invade more than you can spend. >> i know. he never followed that. there's other things involved. it's about money. it's the -- in god we trust is just a spin. >> more with garry shandling after this.

it is like a game show when a cop stops you for a speeding ticket. do you know how fast you were going? um -- 60. higher. um. 70 -- 66, 67 it is. >> we're back be the hilarious garry shandling. >> joy, you're showing everything i've ever done. i feel like i'm getting the nobel prize for comedy.

>> let me ask you something about the state of primetime tv these days. your professional opinion of the move from 10:00 for leno. >> i'm debating whether to go on at 8:00. i think they should just go all the way down to maybe 6:00 p.m. should go from news to news and in between it should just be talk shows. >> there was an article in the business section of "the times" the other day that said there's a boomer -- what do you call it? a domino effect that the whole station is now skewy because of it. and "law & order" is having trouble, which has been a juggernaut for many years because of that move. >> after we did the segment where we talked about the troubles in the world, we can focus in on -- >> the real facts. television. >> the entire problem with the middle east and everything is because jay leno moved down to 10:00. >> jay got "the tonight show." how come you didn't get it? >> i was guest hosting "the tonight show" regularly and was

supposed to alternate mondays with leno back then, but i was working on this show, and, you know, i work on all levels of the show, so it's a lot of work and i didn't have the time to then devote -- it sounds easy, a monday to hosting "the tonight show." i knew one of them would suffer. i had to call johnny up. that's when joan rivers left to do her own show opposite johnny. i had to call johnny up. >> by the way, he was ticked off when that happened. >> they were very upset. she also went opposite. it would be like me going on pbs opposite you. i couldn't think of anything less -- hln pbs. you know, i'm going on the nature channel with a talk show. >> nowadays they don't have people sitting in, like conan or letterman. by the way, what about letterman? what happened there?

i forgot all about letterman. >> you know, i have nothing -- i don't think anybody should talk about some of these things until we really know the actual facts. >> we know the facts. he was sleeping with some of the people who worked there. he said it. he admitted it. >> is this your simple way of saying you're not sleeping with me tonight? what is this? this is now the letterman room? >> i only sleep with people i'm working for. >> nicely done. >> we're done now. are you sad to be leaving me? >> yes. i'm not -- i'm not pleased. i feel like i -- i wish i could continue on into the news. >> i know. i'm sorry. there's only so much time to spend with you. >> i'm going to go downstairs and try and find lou dobbs. >> find lou dobbs. he's down there in the makeup chair. so good to see you, gary. >> you had to read the opening? don't read the closing. this is what it's like, joy. can i do it for you? can i do it? >> yeah.

>> joy, can i say how -- what a good time i had tonight? >> it's garry shandling's show, the entire box set is out on dvd. good night.

breaking news tonight. live, colorado, the whole country on pins and needles. a little 6-year-old's life hanging in the balance, and the beautiful silver space-like balloon soaring through the clouds. tonight, it apparently all ends in felony charges. that's right. police, sheriffs, national guard, volunteers, the faa, even

a whole airport and commercial carriers trying to save the life of a 6-year-old boy, falcon heene, who his brothers and his parents say was trapped in that homemade balloon, racing through the sky. eyewitness reports emerge that something or someone falls thousands of feet to rough terrain near the rough colorado mountains. after 60 miles of terror, the balloon lands. no boy. was he dead? was he injured? was he lying down some ravine with every bone in his body broken? oh, no! he was hiding in the family attic the whole time. blurting out on national tv it was all "for the show." on not one, but two morning shows, that same child, so nervous, he vomits when asked the same question. bye-bye, reality show, hello

cell block. >> it has been determined that this is a hoax. that it was a publicity stunt. we believe that we have evidence at this point to indicate that it was a publicity stunt done with the hopes of marketing themselves, or better marketing themselves for a reality television show at some point in the future. >> did you hear us calling your name at any time? >> mm-hmm. >> you did? >> you did?

>> why didn't you come out? >> um, you guys said that we did this for the show. and tonight, a college football star on scholarship, university connecticut, at a college dance, stabbed to death. who cut this all-american's life short? nobody knows? at a college dance, packed with students, nobody knows, nobody sees a thing? no way. tonight, who ended the life of 20-year-old football star, jasper howard? >> a huskies homecoming dance party turns deadly after an altercation ends in the stabbing death of star cornerback and father-to-be jasper howard.

>> 20-year-old jasper howard died of a single stab wound to the stomach. just before he was killed, howard called his mom. >> i talked to him for a while that night. i talked to him. i didn't know i wouldn't talk to him no more. >> it happened after a fire alarm went off, this is at a dance, at the student center. this happened just after midnight. hundreds of people ran out into the streets and a fight broke out. >> as far as what the altercation was about, that actually is a subject of continuing investigation. >> we have not identified a suspect in this case. however, we are pursuing active leads. >> i just hope whoever did it turns themselves in. he didn't deserve this. he didn't deserve it. and tonight, live, texas, a 3-year-old little boy in extreme danger, stolen from his own home after the boy's young mother found murdered on her bedroom floor. why? you know what?

i don't care why. i just want to know, tonight, where is 3-year-old mitchell romero. >> an amber alert has been issued for 3-year-old richard romero, whose mother was found murdered inside the family home. police believe mitchell is in grave and immediate danger. >> denver city police arrived to 212 east tenth street to find 29-year-old veronica romero dead inside. >> the boy was last seen in the company of his father mario romero, inside a maroon gmc with texas license plates. >> we've been talking to family members on both sides. it's just a matter of time before we're able to talk to them. >> three of veronica's sisters visited with police.

a sister back at their home told us 33-year-old mario romero had abused veronica in the past and said it is, quote, a sure thing that he's her murderer. >> police say romero is considered a person of interest in veronica's murder and is wanted for questioning. authorities in mexico are also on the lookout. as reports surfaced romero may be trying to take mitchell across the border. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. live, colorado, the whole country on pins and needles. a little 6-year-old boy's life hanging in the balance. and a beautiful silver space-like balloon soaring through the clouds. tonight, apparently it will all end in felony charges. bye-bye reality show, hello cell block.

>> these people are actors. they established a relationship was in acting school in hollywood. they put on a very good show for us, and we bought it. >> absolutely no hoax. i want your questions in a box. i'll get right back to you, okay? >> one of the guys told me it was for some tv show. so that's what he was referring to. >> oh. >> that's what he was referring to when he made that statement. >> straight out to dan simon, cnn national correspondent. joining us from the heene home. dan, thank you for being with us. what's the latest, dan?

>> reporter: well, i can tell you that richard heene is doing something he doesn't normally do, nancy, and that is, he's keeping a low profile today. we saw him emerge from the house once with his entire family, got into a pickup truck, apparently drove to a grocery store. he's back in his home tonight. not making any statements. probably on the advice of his attorney. in terms of how this all came to light, what we are hearing from authorities is that they wanted to bring richard heene in for questioning. and they did so, used a little bit of trickery. they told him, why don't you come to the sheriff's station and we'll give you the rest of your silver balloon. so heene drives over there by himself, thinks he's going to pick up that balloon. lo and behold, the cops start questioning him. from what we understand, they administered a polygraph. we don't know the results of that polygraph. in any case, they questioned heene. meanwhile, their investigators come over to the house behind me, and question the rest of the family.

they question the wife and they question the children. and at that point, after all the questioning is over, authorities were convinced that it was absolutely a hoax. nancy? >> we are taking your calls, live, joining us there at the scene ft. collins, california, cnn's national correspondent, dan simon. to peter marcus, assistant editor of the "denver daily news." peter, thank you for being with us. peter, take me back to the very beginning. what happened? >> well, you know, the whole world was held captive. we thought that little falcon was flying across the colorado skies in a flying saucer/balloon. and then this weekend, we hear from the sheriff's department that they're saying this whole thing was a hoax. >> i want to go to clark goldman, our producer on the story. a lot of people took a look at this thing and were convinced nobody could actually be inside of it. where was the boy the whole time? >> nancy, law enforcement, investigators actually decided they wanted to contact aerospace engineers who used to work for the u.s. armed services to determine whether it could

actually hold the 36-pound boy, falcon. law enforcement searched that house at the very outset and did not find falcon. they admitted a few hours later maybe we didn't search that home as thoroughly as we should have. it turned out later that falcon was then believed to be up in the crawl space, or the attic that whole time. however, since then, the sheriff of larimer county has said it's not clear, falcon could have been somewhere else and then come back himself to the home. >> dan simon, back to you, joining us at the heene home, dan, how did the whole thing crack wide open? >> reporter: well, you know, there was that interview last thursday on "larry king live" wolf blitzer was hosting. there was that question by the father, richard heene, to his son saying, hey, when you were up in the attic, did you hear us calling your name? the boy says, yeah. they said, why didn't you come out? he says, well, we did it for the show. well, everybody saw that. and it immediately raised suspicions both on the part of law enforcement, everybody, of

course, who was watching this. authorities grew suspicious, they wanted to question the heenes and they also put up a public front supporting the heenes. they said they did that because they wanted to continue to have their trust. over the weekend, they brought in the heenes for questioning. they brought richard in to the sheriff's station. they administered -- apparently administered a polygraph at that time. and investigators came to the house, did another line of questioning. and we don't know if there was a confession or whatever was said, but all we know is after those interviews took place, authorities came out and said it was a hoax. >> let's take a listen to what happened on national tv. >> did you hear us calling your name at any time? >> mm-hmm. >> you did? >> you did? >> why didn't you come out? >> um, you guys said that we did this for the show.

>> one of the guys told him it was for a tv show. that's what he was referring to. >> oh. >> that's what he was referring to when he made that statement. >> and i know i want to point out that the sheriff's office said last night that they believe your account of what happened. but they do want to question you a little bit more. >> falcon? are you okay there? >> mm-hmm. >> are you sure? >> he's tired. >> no mom, i feel like i'm going to vomit. >> oh. >> are you okay, buddy? >> no. >> i think he's queasy. >> the child's so sick when he's asked that same question, after his appearance, being interviewed by wolf blitzer on cnn, he vomits on national tv.

unleash the lawyers. sue moss, alex sanchez, anne bremner. high-profile lawyer joining us out of seattle. what's your defense of parents that apparently put their child on the air? he blurts out, we did it for a show on cnn. then when he's asked that question again, he's so upset, he vomits on national tv on "today" and abc? >> you know, nancy, i knew you were going to ask me that. it's a terrible situation, but nobody died. it was a hoax. >> please answer the question. >> my defense is we got to see all the facts in the thing. life doesn't imitate art. it imitates bad tv.

>> felony charges may be filed against richard and mayumi heene for claiming their 6-year-old son was onboard a homemade mylar balloon when it floated away from their backyard thursday afternoon. >> it wasn't until the larry king show where the family was interviewed by wolf blitzer, that we had the first aha moment. >> did you hear us calling your name at any time? >> mm-hmm. >> you did? >> you did? >> well, why didn't you come out?

>> um, you guys said that we did this for the show. >> when wolf talked to the father, and the father was asking, you saw the one little boy look at the mommy like, uh-oh. >> the fact that he would want his child to lie for him, that's the lesson he's teaching his child, lie to get whatever you want in life. that's the damage here. >> they're my clients, so i've heard a lot from them. obviously this is something the public rolls their eyes at unfortunately, but the presumption of innocence should be given to them. >> if she lied to 911 about the life of her son, susan moss, alex sanchez, anne bremner. susan moss, what charges could they be facing? >> absolutely filing a false police report, also endangering a child and others. their parental rights might go up, up and away for at least the time they'll be in jail, which

could be a maximum of 13 years based on the felonies they could be charged with. >> sanchez? >> it's incredible. it's like this whole world has this couple convicted already. based on the information i have seen and read, i don't see enough evidence at all which would justify an arrest at this point. maybe the police have some information we're not aware of. but based on what i have heard, this case is based on speculation, on theory, and on suspicion. >> really? well, let me just refresh your recollection. to you, peter marcus, with the "denver daily news," what can you tell me about reported communications between a research assistance, or a prior employee with mr. heene many, many weeks before regarding a stunt like this? >> yeah, well, i think that was obviously the big twist to come out of this today, is that gawker.com, this website, they say they purchased this story from a robert thomas, who's a 25-year-old researcher, who was working with definitely richard

heene on developing some sort of science-based reality television show. and in their conversation, richard had mentioned that he established some sort of a publicity stunt on the level of roswell. he's a bit of a ufo guy. and that, you know, that could create quite a buzz, quite a stir for the reality show that they had been developing. >> right. to dan simon, how long before this stunt actually occurred were these communications? >> reporter: the communications between who, nancy? >> between the employee and mr. heene. >> reporter: you know, i'm really not sure how long they were talking. but, you know, one of the things that i think is absolutely fascinating that we heard today, is that this balloon, everybody has seen it, when you take a 37-pound boy, they had a physics professor come and take a look at it, they said there is absolutely no way it could have even lifted off the ground.

that's another compelling element to this bizarre case. >> as it turns out, those conversations about this stunt took place last march. that's how long this has allegedly been in the planning.

♪ ♪ welcome to comcast local edition. i am donna richardson and my guest this hour is colonel george f. johnson iv superintendent of the maryland natural resources police. colonel, thank you for joining me. >> great to be here with you. >> in addition to being with the maryland natural resources you are president of the maryland police chief association and who in addition to chief are your members? and who is working with you?

>> it is comprised mostly of chief of police from all over the state and state government and law enforcement chiefs and county and municipalities that exist in all of the state of maryland. >> i know as a group i know there are several initiatives taking place. there is a new one. checkpoint strike force. >> yes it is a research based-multi-state situation where we pick and we go out there and we look for drivers that are impaired and work to get them off of the road and we do that through our sobriarity checkpoints and our saturation patrols. >> and so, which jerse - jurisdiction, one specific area or all of the jurisdictions now involved? >> all throughout maryland, the chiefs of police have signed on.

every jurisdiction signed on in some way shape or form to participate in the checkpoint strike force. >> and so do you find that the checkpoints are helpful in hopefully lowering traffic fatalities? >> absolutely. fatalities have been reduced 20 percent in the areas where we are doing the checkpoints . it proves to be extremely beneficial to us in many different ways. >> and do you find that the residents are supporting the checkpoints and do you have partner necessary this effort? >> yes we do. as you know, it is a powerful organization of mothers against drunk drivers. we work with them chosely in this endeavor and other organizations. their surveys indicate 85 to 90 percent of the people they talked to support the checkpoints. >> do you do these at specific times of year or are the

checkpoints ongoing initiative. >> they are ongoing initiatives. they will be taking place every week and everywhere and where you think that it is the best possible opportunity to deploy the work force and effective use knowledge of our people in this endeavor. >> as you are having the checkpoints and i know initially you are looking for impaired drivers but are you finding other things when you are pulling over the impaired drivers? >> oh, yes. people are very surprised what we run into on the checkpoints. the main focus is to get the impaired drivers that use alcohol off of the streets and identify them. but we are running into people who have warrants on them. their licenses are suspended some people have drugs in the vehicle this we were able to

detect and find. there is a whole gamut of things and seat belt usage. it helps us with the seat belt initiatives and child safety seat. we are able to make different observations and of course, we put a lot of emphasis on the seat belt usage and child safety seat as well >> i know some jurisdiction or most of the them there is zero tolerance if you don't have your seat belt on it is amazing that people are still driving without them. >> it is with the seat belt usage, if you are involved in an accident with the impaired drivers that use alcohol that gives you that much more of a chance to survive. >> how can citizens assist with the checkpoint strike force? >> we need them to be our eyes and ears out there. as with many thing necessary law enforcement and we ask citizens to do. if they see a person driving

erratically or aggressively and feel they are under the influence of alcohol. pick up the cell phone and dial the number 911 or what ever it is that they feel comfortable in using. >> thank you colonel for joining me. >> donna thank you for helping us. >> thank you for watching comcast local edition. i am donna richason. they said it would never last. but it's been two months and you're still going strong. glade lasting impressions.

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>> one of the victims who was stabbed has actually died. jasper howard, a uconn student, suspect remains at large. >> there was an altercation. he got stabbed in the stomach. he went through surgery. 4:00 i call, the doctor told me he didn't make it. i was here at home watching the game. i watched the whole game. after the game he called me and was very excited. i talked to him for a while, that night i talked to him. and i ain't seen him or talked to him no more. >> straight out to al jones with 1010 wins joining us at uconn campus. al jones, i don't understand how

at a college dance, i mean, certainly you've been to a college dance before, at a college dance, a fight breaks out. the place is packed with witnesses. a star student scrubbed in sunshine, a good kid, gets stabbed to death, and nobody sees a thing? i don't believe that. >> well, there are some witnesses. they have talked to a number of students who were there. they also have another football player by the name of brian parker who was actually there and has helped them identify at least one person involved in the fight. that person was arraigned earlier today on charges of breach of peace and obstruction of justice. not charged in the stabbing, mind you, but held on $100,000 bail. they're also asking for other students to come forward. and of course, there are security cameras around campus. it's the matter of, did they manage to catch some of the action on tape? >> to marlaina schiavo, our

reporter, producer there also at uconn campus. marlaina, let me get something straight. has an eyewitness told police who did the stabbing? >> police have not said that any eyewitnesses have told them who did the stabbing, however, nancy, police have indicated they may know who this person is because they said they don't think it's a uconn student. now, how would they know that? they obviously have someone in mind that doesn't go to uconn but might be a part of this. >> marlaina, what do we know about this young man? >> we know, nancy, that he comes from miami. he was on a full athletic scholarship. he was a star football player. he won this huge game that day. he was at the dance that night. we know that he came -- his mother said he came from miami, you know, to get away from the violence. unfortunately, that didn't happen the other night obviously.

we also know he was a father to be. his girlfriend is pregnant. she's here right now along with his mother and that's what we know right now. >> take a listen to what police had to say. >> this is a dance, a scheduled and sponsored dance that was occurring at the student union. at 12:26 while the dance was going on, someone pulled a fire alarm pull station which evacuated the dance out onto the street. there were approximately in the neighborhood of 300-plus people who were attending the dance, and they were in the street. an altercation occurred and concluded with the stabbing of two individuals. >> my thought and prayers go out to his mother, because as many of you know, the background

where he grew up, through young childhood, through high school, to not only live through it but to get through it and be able to get a chance to get out of there was a miracle in itself. and the idea of him coming all the way up to connecticut, where his mother thought he was safe, that he would grow up into a better man, and come back and support his family like he was planning on doing, is heartbreaking. >> i just hope whoever did it turns himself in. because he didn't deserve this. he didn't deserve it. >> to marlaina schiavo, our producer there at uconn campus, what more can you tell me, marlaina? >> i can tell you, right now there's still a killer on the loose. no one is in custody for this crime.

we also know that jasper died with -- the cause of death was one stab wound to the abdomen. obviously the manner of death is homicide. so we have no idea who did this, but cops are eager to find out more information, nancy. >> okay. marlaina, i want to clear something up. first you told me that they think they know who did it. because that's not the impression i had at all. so if you would be so kind to clear up for me what exactly the status is, marlaina, because you've given me two completely different answers. it's my understanding that witnesses are not naming a killer. and they were all right there. do we have a composite? do we have a name? is anybody giving it up? >> no. not at all, nancy. that's what i said. no witnesses have given up the name. the only thing police have told us is they are pretty sure it wasn't a uconn student.

they've narrowed it down to that aspect. but no, there are no names flying around. there's been no witnesses that have -- not one witness has come forward to say this is who did it. >> let's unleash the lawyers. susan moss, alex sanchez and anne bremner. to you bremner it's just like when shupack was killed. he was killed on the street, on the vegas strip. which has got thousands of people on it. 24/7. 365. and nobody saw a thing. nobody can name who did it. no matter how about it was investigated. same thing here. nobody knows anything. nobody can give a name. nobody can give a good identification. that is b.s. and think about it. think about it, anne. when i go home to those twins tonight, my prayer is that i live to get them through school, to get them into college. here's this young man, he's making it. he's on a scholarship. he's finally making it. and then this happened. did you see his mother?

>> oh, my god. >> crying? there's a baby on the way. the mother, the baby, and nobody will talk? i tell you what, if one of those witnesses were your client, anne bremner, all hell would break loose if i was on that prosecution team, let me tell you. >> that's the thing, nancy, you're so right. i've seen it in cases since i was a baby prosecutor, hundreds of witnesses and nobody saw a thing. homicide right in front of them. that horrible, horrible dynamic in these kinds of cases. and hopefully someone's watching your show right now, nancy, and sees, and will come forward. because somebody saw something. he was stabbed to death. >> and to you, dr. perper, how could one stab wound inflict so much damage? >> because the stab wound to the abdomen can go upwards, and can hit the heart, or major blood vessel, such as the aorta, or a may vor -- major vein like the

venn venacava. one single stab wound deep enough and directed to the proper direction is going to cause that. >> look at this video of him, doctor. he's young. he's athletic. he's giving 200%. he's out there slugging it out on the field. he's attending classes. and this. to be stabbed to death at a dance. everybody, we are taking your calls. i want to give you the tip line, 860-486-4800. tonight, a mother's heart is broken. we are taking your calls. to tonight's safety tip, one in every four women will experience domestic violence. it often begins with threats, name calling, it escalates to physical violence, beating, sex assault, even murder. if you are in immediate danger, obviously call 911. but secondary, get guidance from any battered women's hotline in your neighborhood. get a plan. especially if you have children.

i promise you, not only will he live on through his child's life, but he'll always live on through this team's heart and mine forever. >> about 12:33 a.m., uconn

police and general patrol were notified of a stabbing that had just occurred just off of hillside road in the area of the student union. the police officer investigating quickly determined there were two stabbing victims in close proximity to each other. >> howard and another student were stabbed, and howard died. no suspect has been named. >> there was an altercation. he got stabbed in the stomach. he had went through surgery. 4:00 i call. the doctor told me he didn't make it. >> both stabbing victims were taken to area hospitals. one treated and released. howard was pronounced dead hours after the incidents at st. francis hospital in hartford, where his coach randy edsall, stood watch all night. a campus-wide alert was issued early sunday and uconn pd have

stepped up their patrols around campus in the wake of the incident. they're working with state police on the investigation. >> back to dr. joshua perper. doctor, you were explaining how one stab wound could cause so much damage. >> well, if a stab wound is applied to the upper portion of the abdomen, there is a possibility that the track of the wound is going to be directed toward the heart, so the person may have a stab wound on the heart which may be fatal. in the same way, one of the major arteries of the body, the aorta, can be cut. so this would explain why the death occurred so fast, and they were not able to assist the person, because apparently there was medical assistance, or assistance given very early after the incident occurred. >> to sergeant scott haynes, sheriff's officer, santa rosa county, florida. what do you make of the fact that no one has come forward with a name, or even a description of the killer?

>> in a situation like that, there was a fire alarm that was pulled. there was a lot of chaos going on. a lot of people were outside. so there was a lot of distractions. some people may not have been focusing their attention to something like that. unfortunately in stabbing situations, there's no noise, there's no gunshots. there may be people who weren't aware this actually went on due to their attention diverted to other places. that does make it more difficult. there's obviously some people that were right there that know what happened. and hopefully they'll come forward and do the right thing and talk about it. >> sergeant, i'm sorry, somebody was speaking in my ear. can you repeat that again? sorry, i couldn't hear you. >> sure. the fire alarm that was pulled, that type of diversion, there was probably obviously some chaos from that the mass exodus from the building and large amount of people, and with a stabbing situation there's no gunshot. it's a very quiet crime.

the people who are in the immediate area may have known what went on, but this person, if he was taken by surprise, he probably didn't realize what happened right away. so some people may not even realize that they witnessed a stabbing until they hear about this on the news and maybe they'll start coming forward. but there was a lot of things that were taking people's attention into other directions at the time. >> i want to go to dr. leslie austin, psychotherapist joining us out of new york. dr. austin, why is nobody coming forward? >> well, in fact, people may not have seen it, or they may be frightened. we don't know who their friends were. we need to let the police do their work and get a lot more details. somebody will say something somewhere soon enough and they'll find their man. >> we're taking your calls. cindy, ohio. what's your question? >> caller: hi, nancy. my husband, mark, and i don't miss a show. >> thank you. >> caller: i have a two-part question. >> okay. >> caller: the college dances, are they like the high school dances and you must attend there to go to the dance? >> i can tell you that right now. no. because there were non-students

and college students there. go ahead. >> caller: okay. the second part is, was the fire alarm pulled to get everybody outside so this could happen? is that what they're thinking? >> good question. al jones with 1010 wins joining us at uconn campus. al, what do we know about the fire alarm being pulled? >> the alarm was pulled at 12:26. as the sheriff's deputy said, you had a lot of confusion, people leaving from different exits. you may have had 300 people coming out but not all to one collective place. i talked to one student who said there was a number of people arguing, pushing and shoving. if you think about it, nancy, if you shove somebody or stab somebody, it's almost the same motion in the dark. the fact nobody saw the stabbing or have not told police about it is not that surprising. >> al, i've investigated many, many, many, many homicides. and more than that i can even count.

and i find it very, very difficult to believe that nobody in a packed dance at college saw who took a knife and stabbed this young man to death. i don't believe nobody saw anything, and i find it very hard to believe that no one is coming forward. to teresa in michigan. hi, dear, what's your question? >> caller: hi, nancy. i'm a big fan of your show. thanks for taking my call. >> thank you, and thank you for calling in. >> caller: i was wondering about the fire alarm pulled, too. would they have a camera on the person that pulled the fire alarm? because it sounds like it was a setup to get him outside. >> you know, teresa, i wonder the same thing. back when annie le was murdered, remember, at yale? the police kept saying there was no connection between the fire alarm and the murder. b.s. now, here, with so many people

there, i think it's more possible it wasn't connected. but, al, didn't you say that there was surveillance video? >> there are surveillance cameras, police will say numerous around campus. they won't give us a set number. whether there were cameras trained on that one spot, if they have any video, they have not shared that information with us. >> good. information with us. >> good. al joining us from 1010. very quickly, everyone, i want to tell you about a 3-year-old boy missing and his mom dead. take a listen. >> police are desperate to find be in immediate and great danger. an amber alert was issued for mitchell romero's mother was found murdered in her home. mitchell was last seen with his father mario romero in a maroon gmc yukon with texas license plates. >> to michael from woai, what happened?

>> to bring you up on the latest, veronica romero was laid to rest today in denver city, a city of only about 4,000 people. i talked to a worker and they said it's been at least a decade since there has been a murder in this city. her husband who very well may have murdered her in cold blood still on the run and has their 3-year-old son with him. police are eager to speak with him.