a possible child predator extremely dangerous said to be coming out of retirement. 7-year-old girl somer thompson killed, her body thrown in the trash. is a child killer on the prowl? awaiting on the streets to attack another child. sexting can ruin your kids' lives. 1/3 of parents don't know what sexting is. news flash. it is when your kid sends a naked picture of him or herself via the cell phone. it is time we wake up all

parents and take some action. love hearing from you. call in 1-877-tell-hln. e-mail us at cnn.com/primenews or text us at hln tv. just start your message with the word prime. it is your chance to be heard. welcome. this is "prime news." i'm mike galanos. this is terrifying. we can't let our kids off the school bus without wondering if some sick predator is going to snatch them. somer thompson, a week ago today was kidnapped and killed. now her family is getting ready to bury her. john walsh from "america's most wanted" thinks this is no first-time criminal. >> the sheriff and i both feel it was a predator who has probably done it before. i don't know if it is the same guy but 20 years ago there were four kidnappings of small

children, same circumstances, after school or on their way to the buses that were never solved. i would hate to think this is a serial child killer who raised his ugly head. i have seen this before. rapists and child killers come out of retirement because they can't stop. >> that phraseology, coming out of retirement. 1-877-tell-hln. joining me is natisha lance, who spent time in orange, park, california. pat brown, criminal profiler and hln law enforcement analyst mike brooks. natisha, you heard the john walsh angle. what do we know about past crimes in that area where there could be some sicko coming out of retirement and killing somer thompson. >> if what he is saying is true, this could be a very likely possibility. there is a long list of children missing and those cases have

been unsolved quite some time. dating back 35 years ago, not just 20 years ago. in this area, within the five-mile radius where somer thompson lived there have been 90 sex offenders who have been cleared at least at this point who police investigated, they searched their homes, spoken to their family members. this is new news that the sheriff is saying they do believe it is a predator, at least according to john walsh. before they were saying they were open to all scenarios. >> so is there anyone cesc they are zoning in on here? >> nobody specific they have mentioned so far. there is no person of interest. there is no suspect. they have questioned numerous people they have said and nobody is -- has been cleared 100% but they are continuing with their investigation. >> pat brown. pat, a sex offender or predator

coming out of retirement. does that happen a lot? it would seem to me they don't stop. >> i'm not happy with the way john walsh stated this. when you have sex offenders, they will do it when they feel like it. sometimes they will do it a lot, sometimes they take time off. when they get frustrated and upset, they do it again. what they say now this guy is experienced, i don't know that is true. i'm assuming they have reason to believe it is a sexual assault. it could be a first-time sex predator. here is another thing they ought to be clear about. it doesn't have to be a child sex offender. a lot of serial killers this would be one now since she was murdered. sometimes they target young children because there is not an older teenager or female in her 20s available. some go up and down in ages

crazily. we don't just want to focus on child sex offenders, we want to focus on all sex offenders. >> you are not seeing, yeah, that could be someone who has done this before. >> we cannot know that. therefore, you don't want to say the sex offenders in the neighborhood have to be someone who repeated -- skilled at it. look at guys completely off your radar, somebody who is 23 years old who decided to do it that day. everybody in that neighborhood should be a suspect. this girl was abducted and killed by somebody in that area. >> mike brooks, someone coming out of retirement. >> that says to me there is a possibility they believe this is someone who they may have had some contact before. now, did -- were they able to get any dna evidence off of the body of somer?

most likely i hope they did. hopefully. you hope this person who might be responsible could be in a dna database they could crosscheck against the evidence they recovered off of somer. there is that possibility. we know she walked to and from school every single day and she just vanished basically into thin air after walking ahead of her brother and other kids. was this someone who had been to the neighborhood, seen her walking? there is that possibility. it is not someone driving through that sees her, snatches her up. they know she went ahead of the children. they knew how much time they had. it sounds to me like this is someone who had been in that area before. >> let's talk about that area. natisha, residential area. >> purely residential area. >> would a lot of people have seen something? >> oh, yeah. there is house after house after house. a legitimate fear in that

neighborhood is that it could be anybody. it could be the neighbor. it could be anybody around that neighborhood. i think the people in that community are fearful the house she was last seen in front of is half a mile away from her home, half a mile from the school. multiple witnesses placed her in front of that house. somebody had to have seen her after that point, too. when we come back, we will talk about another angle. someone who worked at that vacant home. take your phone calls 1-877-tell-hln.

i want you to know that i will not sleep until this person is found. i hope they get you. and i hope they make you pay for a long, long time. >> somer's mom deina thompson speaking after it was announced her daughter was died. she is resolute in wanting justice. we are taking your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. cathy in ohio. your thoughts. >> caller: mike, i'm glad you got me. mike brooks, okay, i'm tired of children being hurt. there is no excuse for it ever. why can't the country let the minor drug dealers out of jail and put every one of the child -- people who hurt a child, put them in jail forever. i live alone. down the street from me has a

house with four or five rapists. why should i be afraid of my house being out in the front yard? why should i have to be that way? i don't like driving down the street because they are down there. >> cathy, thanks. whether it is phillip garrido getting out of jail too soon. we all become furious. >> absolutely. people ask me that all the time. mike, why aren't these people in jail? they don't have enough jails to put everyone in. some of the minor offenses, that is up to the criminal justice system. the cops go out there, they lock these predators up, they put them in jail and then they do their good time and they do their time and get off on good time and are back out on the streets. we know the recidivist rate is worse than any kind of crime.

that is why a lot of -- everybody, i encourage all of our viewers, go to the computer, log in, google whatever state you are in on registered sex offenders. find out where they live. if they live near you, know where they are. if you have children, you have to be aware of these things, mike. >> you have to be vigilant. >> you can't have a cop on every corner. you have to protect your own. >> let's go to natisha lance. producer on "the nancy grace show." what do we know about someone who worked on that home that has been searched so thoroughly. are we talking about a sex offender who worked at that house? >> right. right. this is something we are following up on. one of the local stations down there is reporting a man who worked with a construction company doing the remodeling at this home at 1080 ganos street is a sex offender. he is registered.

they are saying he was questioned very thoroughly. his vehicle was searched by investigators and processed. however, once again, police are not naming a person of interest or a suspect at this time. >> mike, we were -- natisha and i were talking at the break, they did take physical evidence out of that house and processed it. while natisha was there the other evening we were talking about what they were doing, alternate light sources, looking for blood, semen, anything that could have been in this house. >> pat, this is someone who knew that area, not someone who swooped in. it is someone who knew the patterns of the kids walking home for school? >> i'm not so sure. it was a window of opportunity. he looks left, looks right and eureka. since her body was dumped in a dumpster, it is not somebody

traveling through, somebody doing work from another town, coming through, grabbing her. he would have gone straight out of town and dumped her somewhere else. >> got you. we have to leave it there. we still want to find out information. what happened to morgan harrington. hasn't been seen in over a week. went to a metallica concert. metallica added $50,000 to the reward. what happened to morgan harrington?

all right. here we go. high schoolers suspended for sexting. sending sexually explicit messages by cell phone. if you are a parent do you know about this? i hope so. your are a huge part of this. we are going to talk about the survey and a new incident and take your calls on this. what are you seeing? is it prevalent? 1-877-tell-hln. here is a story we continue to follow. still a mystery. morgan harrington, virginia tech student vanished while attending a metallica concert. metallica added $50,000 the reward.

it is up to $150,000. this is a criminal investigation. morgan's parents fear something horrible happened to her. i talked to them on friday. >> how does someone just disappear and what is the likelihood of a person crossing the path of someone who would take someone? i believe morgan has been taken. >> let's bring in hln law enforcement analyst mike brooks and karin from the state police. any leads. >> nothing significant today. we continue to have leads coming in from the public this we are most appreciative of. we hope we can get that one piece of information that will lead us to morgan. >> tell us what is going on. ground search, has it been called off? clarify that. >> every lead that comes in we have state police, local law enforcement following through

every lead that comes in. sometimes that will require having a ground search where somebody says i think i saw someone who looked like morgan or i may have seen something suspicious in this area and we send a team to do a ground search. we spent three days solid by ground and air searching around the arena in charlottesville. unfortunately, that did not turn up any additional evidence either. >> how much did you glean from video surveillance? >> i know the university of virginia police have pored over hours of surveillance video, not just the arena but buildings near nearby, atms, gas stations and businesses in that area. nothing has turned up relevant to this case. we hope that folks in the concert shot their own footage on their cell phones. we have been looking at a lot of

that footage e-mailed to us and posted on social networking sites. >> did you get a clear shot of morgan outside of the arena -- >> no. >> between 8:40 and 9:30? >> no. we have been able to interview a few people who recall seeing her around the outdoor area between 8:40 when she left, talked with her friends on the cell phone telling them she was outside. not to worry about her. she was going to get a ride home. up until about 9:30 we can place her movements. then it seems to go cold. someone can then help us out. someone may have seen her past that time or before that time. >> you have a timeline but you don't have any way of knowing who she was speaking with outside that arena, if she got in somebody's car. that is not showing up?

>> no. we have no evidence to prove any foul play has taken place but we don't have any evidence to disprove it. >> let's bring in mike brooks. we have about 45 here. we will continue after the break. with that said, there is some surveillance out there. what are you doing as investigators to get that solid lead or it is a piece of information you need to come forward? >> her purse was found along with a cell phone. i wonder if virginia state police can say when and who found the purse and how close to the arena was it? >> the cell phone and the purse were recovered the next morning by a passerby. they found it laying near a parking area near the arena. identification was in there, cell phone was in there. we followed through on the cell phone, any text messages and phone calls and at that point she had not been reported missing. it was turned into uva police.

>> we'll get mike's take when we come back. stay with us.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. it is a topic we talk a lot about because we care about kids. sexting. parents, be on the alert. kids are sexting, sending or receiving naked pictures of themselves. sometimes it is raunchy stuff. here is the general feeling we pr are are getting, my kid is not doing it. one in ten parents believe their children are sexting. the reality shows say about one in five teens 13 to 18 are

sexting. those numbers are not adding up. here is a recent example. a high school football player suspended in texas for the rest of the season. why? for inappropriate use of technology. two other students suspended as well. joining us dr. taylor collins. he is the superintendent of the west orange grove consolidated independent school district where the latest sexting incident took place. also stacy kaiser and gloria allred. gloria, you were in on this new survey, what shocks me is parents are clueless. 1/3 of parents don't know what this is. is that right? >> that is what lawyers.com found. it is a serious problem. what sexting is is sending sexually explicit photos through cell phone images. a lot of students don't realize even though they are minors they

could be prosecuted criminally for distributing child pornography. it is a felony. they may have to register as a sex offender which can affect them for the rest of their life. >> we have to get parents and the kids in the know. dr. collins, we won't ask specifics about the incident, but did you get the feeling parents knew about this, knew it was going on or were they in the clueless mindset? >> they were shocked. they had no idea. the students in our case were very excellent students who perform really well in academics and extracurricular activities in the school. and so when these parents learned they were very shocked and really did not know how to respond and it's too late once they -- once the photos are discovered for the parents to get them out of trouble. >> yeah.

exactly. stacy, in this sexting equation, how important is the role of parents we can teach in school, roll out education programs but what about mom and dad? they have to be central figures. >> they are critically important. they have to have the conversation. they have to know about it. i can't believe how many parents don't know what sexting is or their children's phones are capable of it. a lot of the cell phone providers have an ability to take away your ability to send pictures so you can make it so your children can't do that. >> how hardline as a parent should you be. is it delicate, or are you sexting, junior. >> i would like to weigh in on that. >> let's get stacy. >> i think you have to stick with your parenting style but you to have an open conversation. the most important piece is to

let them know it is against the law. >> mike, they can look on lawyers.com and find the information about the serious legal consequences. parents should know they can face serious legal consequences if they know their teenagers are sexting and they don't stop them. they could be prosecuted as parents for contributing to the delinquency of the a minor. they may be sued civilly for damages by the innocent recipient of that naked picture. the person who receives the naked photo, if they encouraged someone else to take that photo naked or they send it to somebody else they can be prosecuted for conspiracy to distribute child pornography. >> that will wake some people up. some parents who almost come with the kids will be kids line. dr. taylor, in your education program for middle schoolers and high schoolers, that has to be a big piece.

>> i would like to interject, school districts, professionals in schools and school districts have a responsibility to report. parents don't realize that we have a responsibility to report not only to the police but also child protective services. parents need to know that as well. we have moved through this, we have clear policies in place. we put those in place before school began. they were there to guide us. but now we are focusing on education. we're going to educate students on how to keep themselves safe in this realm because they stand at great risk now and in the future. we want to keep them safe personally and legally. our education program will focus on that. >> yeah. >> and we have begun that and we are also going to have to educate parents in parent groups

and parent meetings as well so they know the implications if their children get caught up in this new way of behaving by these children. >> exactly. we are going to take a quick break. you talk about safety. i think kids and parents have to know, once that message is in cyberspace it is not coming back. we'll take your calls, what are your thoughts on this? are you shocked? is it worse than you thought? call in. 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. continue our conversation. lawyers.com, on sexting. parents are not in the know. 1/3 don't know what sexting is. we all have to be on the same page. kids are doing it. everyone needs to know the consequences. taking your calls. 1-877-tell-hln. mary joe from ohio. go ahead. >> caller: yes, mike. i believe that children need to get the instructions with the phone. in other words when they get their phone they need to know what they are putting out there since the phone is connected to internet now, those photographs could end up on the internet and that does make it a real problem. >> we have heard those stories.

legally we get in big trouble. we have heard this story. boyfriend, girlfriend, they break up. the boyfriend may have had the old picture so in spite he sends it out. number one on a safety front that is out there now. who knows who is looking at it. the person who sent it, they are in trouble and they could face child porn, right? >> exactly. and having to register as a sex offender and have that follow them the rest of their life. >> that brings up an interesting point -- >> hold on, doctor. >> the parent making sure their child is not sending the sexually explicit photos may face a lawsuit from an innocent recipient minor. that parent may say you were negligent and i'm going to sue you. >> this is phillip alpert.

he was in that web there, ex-girlfriend, he sent the pictures out. he is in some trouble here. he can't live with his dad because dad is too close to a school where kids congregate. let's listen to his story about the consequences of all this. >> you will find me on the registered sex offender list next to people who have raped children, molested kids, things like that because i sent child pornography. i have been punished for the rest of my life for something that took two minutes or less. stacy kaiser, shouldn't we let that story out there for kids to hear? won't that sink in the message of the consequences. >> yes, we should. >> one of the problems with teenagers when it comes to every category is they don't think ability the consequences. it is about what i want to do right now. the more we can educate them on the ramifications on their

behavior the better it is. >> dr. collins, you agree. that story is great for kids to hear. >> yes. there are some implications in that story for communities and states. i believe personally that legislators should take a look at the statutes that cover sexting and adjust them. i don't see that a 12-year-old girl or boy should have their faces posted on the sex offender list and i certainly don't believe even a 17-year-old. adults, fine, but these are children and we know that preadolescent and adolescent brain and how they work and the risks they are willing to take. we should begin to decriminalize some of this behavior and deal with it through education and locally in families and schools. >> to your point this is where we are now in the sense that is the message we have to send, there are serious consequences.

i agree with you and there is a judge in ohio we have had on the show, there were consequences but it wasn't going to be punishment for life. we will continue to follow this story and hopefully parents and kids will get the message. we appreciate it. great discussion, guys. police say the balloon boy's mom has come clean. in court documents she admits it was a hoax and made the kids lie to the cops and to the media. call in on this one, 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back. what do you know. balloon boy's momma yumy heene admits to cops the whole episode was a hoax to gain media

attention for a possible tv show. none of this surprises us. if it is true, how much more trouble is this -- is richard henne in? for this premeditated ruse, the waste of manpower, police, national guard, the faa. what is the lasting impact on these kids allegedly forced to lie to the nation and police. welcome back our psychotherapist stacy kaiser. we were seeing the effects when falcon is throwing up on national tv. what does that do to a kid? we are going to lie to police and the nation, everybody, when a dad is saying that and forwarding this lie? >> our parents are our first role models. it definitely sends a message it is okay to lie to anyone, whether it is the media, police officers or anyone. those kids will live life with

that memg. >> how about this incident in particular. we'll know falcon henne for a while. this is probably going to be whatever happened tos in a few years. how will they live with this? is this a lasting scar for these kids. >> unfortunately, there is no research about what exactly happens to kids when this happens. here is what i can tell you. there is nothing worse for a child than public shame and humiliation and that boy has had it with the hoax, with his parents, with the vomiting on television. what could potentially happen to these kids all of them in the family could end up suffering from addiction, they could have social skills problems, they can start acting out. there is nothing good ahead for those boys. >> maggie from illinois, hey, maggie, go ahead. >> caller: hi. i'm a parent of two. i have a son and a daughter ages 7 and 8. i think it is very sad what both

of the parents did. i think both parents should be punished, the father and the mother. yes, parents are supposed to teach your kids right from wrong. the parents are teaching their kids it is okay to lie. it is okay to cover up for us. i don't think it is right. you are supposed to teach your kids what is right, what is wrong and not go out in public and stand up for your lies. if you are the parent and you are doing wrong, shame on you. >> well put, maggie. we have been talking about that, stacy. stacy, as you look at this, the environment these kids may be growing up, in, how worried are you with them growing up with richard henne running the show and the lasting effects of that? >> i'm incredibly worried. there are all these rumors about domestic violence. i don't know what kind of abuse these kids have seen or

experienced themselves. you add to it not only has all this stuff come back but it is recorded forever. these kids friends when they become teenagers will be able to go online and watch videos and news stories. you know how children can be. they can be mean. these kids will suffer the social and emotional effects. >> let's listen to the 911 call from richard henne. here he is calling in the hoax. >> no. he doesn't know how they operate. >> he does not know how to operate. so that's gone, though, too. we are sure he is in there? >> yeah. we looked everywhere and then my son just said -- he's terrified -- he said yeah, he went inside. it was materialed. it wasn't supposed to take off. >> richard henne acting up a

stop. mom in on it as well. what do you think is going on as mayumi henne fessing up? >> there is a possibility she has a little bit of a first of may have a little bit of a moral compass and has remorse, but more than that, she's afraid. she knows her kids are at risk of being taken away from them, so if she throws her husband under the bus, she knows it's possible she can get the kids, blame him and the domestic violence and she can get the kids. >> let's go back to the moment where we knew that something was wrong. falcon heene on with wolf blitzer. well, the whole family's on, but falcon tips us off it's all for a show, a possible reality show. here he is, falcon heene talking to wolf blitzer. >> falcon, did you hear us calling your name at any time? >> mm-hmm. >> you did? >> you did? >> why didn't you come out? >> you guys said that we did

this for the show. >> yeah. >> no. >> what are you seeing there, stacy, as far as the reaction. what got me was the little brothers, how they're looking back and forth in this timid way. what's going on, you think, there? >> i think the kids were set up to be afraid of saying the wrong thing. and yet, it's that funny thing, kids are horrible liars. so it doesn't surprise me that falcon could not stick with the story. >> yeah. the little guy came with the truth. and it didn't take long, not even 24 hours after this whole charade went off, there little falcon is, telling us what the real motive was. and thank goodness for the truth, huh? we'll get a quick break. we'll take your calls on this, 1-877-tell-hln's the number. #ñ#ñ

a possible child predator, extremely dangerous, said to be coming out of retirement. 7-year-old girl, summer thompson, killed, her body thrown in the trash and now this question. is a serial child killer on the prowl, just waiting on the streets to attack another child? plus, a parent alert. sexting can ruin your kids' life, but a third of parents don't even know what sexting is. news flash, it's when your child sends a nude picture of themselves to someone else. it's time to wake up, all parents, take some action.

love to hear from you. call in, 1-877-tell-hln. e-mail me, cnn.com/primenews or send a text at hln tv. start your message with the word "prime." it's your chance to be heard. welcome. this is hour number two of "prime news," i'm mike galanos. this is terrifying. we can't even let our kids off the school bus, have them walk home without having to worry that some sick predator is going to snatch them up. that's what happened with 7-year-old summer thompson. a week ago today, she was kidnapped and killed in orange park, florida. and now her family is getting ready to bury her. this is new video, just coming into us from her church, first baptist church in orange park. all these people there to pay their respects, lining up for a public viewing. we're told the child's casket will be closed. dozens waiting to pay their respects. all this while a child killer is on the loose. listen to this. this is from john walsh from

america"america's most wanted"es this is no first-time criminal. let's listen. >> the sheriff and i both feel that it was a predator that's probably done it before. i don't know if he's done it before, but there were four kidnappings of small children in the same circumstances after school or on their way to the buses that were never solved. i've seen this happen before. rapists and child killers come out of retirement because they can't stop. >> quite a thought there. we'll bring in our experts to talk about it. call in, 1-877-tell-hln. let's welcome back hln law enforcement analyst, mike brooks, also with us, pat brown, criminal profiler. pat will pat, let me start with you on that. john walsh's assessment of serial killer/rapist coming out of retirement. is it too early to tell if he's

done this before? >> it is too early to tell. but here's the truth about these kind of people. when you have somebody that's been sexually assaulted, especially a stranger sexual assault, one of two types of people. either a serial rapist or a serial killer if they get murdered as well. in this case, we have a serial killer. the question is, is he at the beginning of his career, in other words, a relatively young person who saw this little girl and grabbed her and had her fun with her, and somebody who's going to keep going, or somebody in the middle of his career, done this before, or somebody at the end of his career, they're getting older, going to go to jail, or get a disease and not participate anymore in this kind of action. we can't know this unless there's something about this crime that shows cleverness and planning and something you would not expect from a first-time person. >> john walsh, a quote is, whoever did this to summer is cool, calculating, a predator. mike brooks, are you seeing that from what we know so far in this investigation? >> you know, i have to agree with pat.

i think assist little too early, unless john has a personal relationship with the sheriff and maybe he shared some information that maybe there's some evidence they possibly could have gleaned in this case from the body of summer thompson that maybe links this to some crimes in the past. we don't know yet, but there's always that possibility. i guarantee you, there was some evidence probably left on the body of summer thompson when she was found in that landfill in georgia. what it is, we don't know. you know, they also are looking at that abandoned house. it was on the way home from her school. you know, what link does that have, if any, to this case? >> okay. let's get a call in. janine is with us in ohio. hi, janine, your comment or question? >> caller: yes, my comment first. i have four daughters, two of which are twins, and this is gut wrenching to even hear about, to know that this happens to little girls. it's a very scary thing. also, my comment or my question is, actually, now the guys that worked at the house, were they

violent offenders? i heard -- that was my original question, was the guy, was there any offenders that worked on the refurbished home? and were there any violent offenders? and where were the crossing guards at? i thought they were supposed to make sure that the children crossed at those exits. and i know this may sound ludicrous, but i feel they should make predators get a chip like they do pets to track them down. >> janine, a lot of point there is. thanks for the phone call. let's hit on something you just mentioned. this is a report from first coast news that someone who worked on that vacant home was a sex offender at one point. mike brooks, obviously that gets our attention. where are you taking that next as an investigator? >> they're trying to run that down right now, mike. there is the possibility that someone who worked on that house was a registered sex offender. we're checking that out for sure, but we do know and we heard from the producer from the nancy grace show, natisha lance last week here on "prime news," she was talking to us, mike, that she was outside that house and she noticed them when they

were processing, they were using alternate light sources, looking probably -- and i can tell you, being a former member of the fbi's primary response team, you look for blood, semen, saliva, other bodily fluids, as well as hair and fibers using an alternate light source. what did they find? we don't know, but they did take some evidence out of this house. >> and pat, this is early, this is just a report, but that makes sense, a sex offender working at the home and that's where little summer had walked to and from school. >> that certainly is a convenient place for a sex offender to be to see a little girl go by. we're looking at that window of opportunity. just somebody there who says, oh, look, here's a child, no one's around, i can grab her. i want to point out something about sex offenders. where do they get jobs. at places where it's easy to get work. construction work, very easy to show up, raise your hand, you get hired. handy men. we've had a lot of handy men serial killers, because put an ad out on the community board, somebody look at it, come fix my

house, ends up dead. security work, when you need somebody to work at the mall, you don't need to do anything but breathe. don't ask that guy to walk you to your car. that's where they slither in. any play it's easy. a lot of this going on in this kind of job. >> paul's with us in north carolina. hey, paul, go ahead. >> caller: hi, this is paul. i was calling, i just have like a little concern with the mother of little summer. she doesn't seem to be in such a grieving state. now, i have two daughters of my own and i have yet to see one tear fall from the mother's eyes. and i just think when they start investigating, they need to start close to home. i know it's a harsh thing to say and to talk about, but i just don't see a grieving mother here. i think there's more to this story than there really is. i don't see a grieving mother at all, mike. >> pal it is, i'm sorry, thank you for the call. that's quite an assessment

there. we'll take a quick break. when we come back, we'll get mike and pat in on that, 1-877-tell-hln.

we were just really a lot alike. she had my same personality and i just miss holding her. and giving her a kiss and not knowing if i actually said "i love her," i know that she knew that, but you just never know. >> again, that's summer's mom,

dena thompson speaking last week, roughly about 24 hours after she found out little summer had died. there she is at the vigil prior to that and she had collapsed after that moment there, had to be taken home. mike brooks, hln law enforcement analyst is with us, along with pat brown, criminal profiler. mike, i'm seeing a grieving mom here. i know our caller had some suspicions. and you know we've seen that. all you have to do is look at casey anthony, but i'm seeing a grieving mom here, aren't you? >> oh, yeah, right from the very beginning, her pleas before the body was even found to the public, it tore me up. it was really very hard to watch. i mean, we sat here during the daytime, richelle carey and i watched it, it was very, very hard to watch. no, i see a grieving mom here. and there have been no indications whatsoever from law enforcement, because we always look at cases like this and you always begin the people closest to the victim, but i have heard no indications whatsoever from law enforcement or anyone else who's been down there that there's any indication to say that the family's involved. >> okay.

let's get back to who could have done this, when you talk about the number of sex offenders in a five-mile radius, here's the number we had. 161. matt, i' pat, i've got to go to you with that. that seems like a big number to me. is that the norm for a metropolitan area like this? >> it's pretty normal. and we don't actually know if there's more of them. a lot of them plea down to things like burglary. and a lot of rapists, that's what they can plead down to. and they're actually rapists and not just burglars with and they're not even on the sex offender register. and there are those guys that are not labeled at all because it never got to court. so we have way more than that. some of them are low-level offenders and not a big deal, theoretically, but the fact is there are those that are out there that are violent sex offenders, those that crossed the line attacking strangers that should never have been let out on the street again. these guys got convicted and the fact swb a lot of times they're let out by the parole boards.

like phillip garrido, he was let out way, way, way early on his sentence and he attacked a little child after what -- he abducted and held captive an adult. so here we have a case, again, we can't say it's just a child predator, because all these guys, they're simply sex predators and sometimes they choose children. >> and mike, keep in mind, there could be also people out there who just haven't been caught yet. >> that's frightening. >> you've got to think about that too. >> let's get one more call in. carrie's with us in arizona. hi, kerry, your thoughts? >> caller: hi, thanks for taking my call. i agree with you that it's got to be somebody from the neighborhood. somebody that knows what's going on. what i would like to know, has the police checked out the schoolteachers and what about the staff at the school? we all know there are a lot of teachers and staff at schools that have lied to get their jobs and stuff like that. what about background checks and stuff there? >> we haven't heard anything about that yet, from what we know. the only story coming out of the school is how hard the students are taking this. we know like 64 kids were absent

the following day after it was announced little summer had passed. but they're looking at all angles, i'm sure. mike, you'd mentioned it. you've got to start with those closest, those who knew. i'm sure those who knew and had dealings with summer have been questioned at this point. >> absolutely. including people at the school. i'm assure that's one of the things they have looked at. >> mike, pat, appreciate it. coming up, we want to know what happened to morgan herrington. college student, went to a metallica concert, hasn't been seen since. we'll talk about that and get the latest on that investigation, coming up.

all right. here we go again. high schoolers suspended for sexting. sending sexually explicit messages by cell phone. back and forth to each other. if you're a parent out there, do you know about this? i hope so. a new survey showing us there are some parents that are clueless about this growing trend. you're a huge part of this. we are going to talk about that survey, talk about a new incident as well, and take your calls on this. what are you seeing? is it as prevalent as ever? is it dying down? 1-877-tell-hln. here's a story we continue to follow. still a mystery. morgan harrington, virginia tech student vanished while attending a metallica concert. no sign of her. what happened? police are desperately trying to find her. metallica added $50,000 the reward.

now it's up to $150,000. this is a criminal investigation. morgan's parents fear something terrible has happened to her. i talked to them on friday and here's what morgan's dad had to say. >> how does someone just disappear, you know, and what's the likelihood of a person crossing the path of someone who would take someone? and i believe morgan's been taken. >> let's bring back hln law enforcement analyst, mike brooks. also with us, karain gellum from the state police. any leads in this case? >> nothing significant today. we continue to have leads coming in from the public this we are most appreciative of. we're still hopeful we're going to get that one piece of information that will lead us to morgan. >> tell us, corinne, what's going on right now. ground search, has it been called off? is it on, is it on in a different area? clarify that. >> every lead that comes in we have state police, local law enforcement following through

every lead that comes in. sometimes that will require having a ground search where somebody says i think i saw someone who looked like morgan or i may have seen something suspicious in this area and we send a team out and hay will do a ground search of that location. we spent three days solid by air and on the ground searching around the arena where the concert took place in charlottesville, scoured that area for three solid days and unfortunately that didn't turn up any additional evidence either. >> okay. how much did you glean from video surveillance? what kind of information did you get from that. >> well, i know the university of virginia police have pored over hours and hours of surveillance video, not just from the arena, but buildings nearby as well as businesses, atms, gas stations, motels, restaurants, et cetera within that whole area. and unfortunately, nothing has turned up anything that's relevant to this case. and we're still hopeful that maybe folks out there that may have been in the concert shot their own footage on their cell

phones and we've been looking at a lot of that footage that's been e-mailed to us as well as posted on various social networking sites. >> so through all of that, did you ever get a clear shot of morgan outside the arena between those hours of, what, 8:40 and 9:30? that time frame? >> no, we haven't. >> no. >> fortunately, we've been able to interview several people who recall seeing her around at the outdoor area there around the arena between 8:40 when she left, talked to her friends on the cell phone, telling them she was outside, not to worry about her, she was going to get a ride home, and then up until about 9:30, we can place her movements. but then after 9:30, it seems to go cold and that's what we're hoping someone can help us out, may have seen her past that time and even before that time, that we can follow through on and hopefully bring this to a peaceful and hopefully happy ending. >> so you have a time line, but you don't have any way of knowing who she was speaking with outside that arena. if she got in somebody's car,

anything like that? >> no. we have no evidence to prove that she's -- that any foul play's taken place, but we don't have any evidence to disprove it either. >> let's bring in mike brooks, hln law enforcement analyst. we've got about 45 here and we'll continue after the break. with that said, there is some surveillance out there, but what are you doing right now as investigators to get that solid lead? or is it a piece of information you need to come forward? >> mike, her purse was found along with a cell phone. also wondering if corinne from virginia state police could tell us when and who found the purse and how close to the arena was it? >> the purse -- the cell phone and the purse were actually recovered the next morning by just a passerby. they found it laying near a parking area near the arena. and identification was in there, cell phone was in there. of course, we followed through on the cell phone, any text messages and phone calls, at that point. and at that point, she had not been reported missing yesterday, so it had just been turned into police.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. it's a topic we've talked a lot about here, because we care about kids. sexting. wrote a commentary on it, cnn.com if you want to check it out. parents, be on the alert. kids are doing it. they are sexting, sending or receiving that naked or semi-naked picture of themselves on the cell phone. here's the general thinking we're getting. my kid's not doing it. there's denial out there. only one in ten parents believe their teen is sexting, but the reality show according to a recent study that about one in five teens ages 13 to 18 are

sexting. those numbers are not adding up. here's a recent example, a high school football player suspended in texas for the rest of the season. why, for allegedly violating the student code of conduct for inappropriate use of technology. two other students suspended as well. it is happening. joining us to talk about it, dr. collins, superintendent where the latest sexting incident took place. also joining us, stacy kizer and attorney gloria allred. what shocks me, and you as well, that parents are clueless. one-third of parents out there don't even know what this is. is that right? >> exactly. that's what lawyers.com found. and it's really a serious problem. because what sexting is is sending these sexually explicit photos through cell phone images and a lot of students don't realize that even though they're minors, they could be prosecuted

criminally more distributing child pornography. that is a felony they could face imprisonment, they could face probation, and they may have to register as a sex offender, which can affect them for the rest of their life. >> we've got to get both parents and the kids in the know. dr. collins, we won't ask specific about the incident that you're familiar, but as it went down, did you get the feeling that parents knew about this? knew that it was going on? or were they in the clueless mind-set? >> they were shocked. they had no idea. the students in our case were very excellent students who performed really well in academics and extracurricular activities in the school. and so when these parents learned, they were very shocked and really did not know how to respond and it's too late once they -- once the photos are discovered for the parents to get them out of trouble.

>> exactly. stacy, in this sexting equation, how important is the role of parents here? yes, we can teach in school, we can roll out education programs and we'll talk about that, but what about mom and dad? they've got to be central figures in this. just, first off, have the conversation with the kids. >> they are critically important. first of all, they have to have the conversation, but they have to know about it. i can't believe how many parents don't know what sexting is or that their children's phones are even capable of it. and i think it's important to mention that a lot of cell phone providers have an ability to take away your ability to send pictures, so you can make it so your children can't even do that. >> how hardline is a parent -- i mean, should you be with your kids. is it a delicate thing, or is it straight up, are you sexting, junior, do you know what it is. >> let's get stacy and then gloria. go ahead, stacy. >> i think you have to stick with your parenting style, but have the open and honest

conversation. a lot of these kids don't realize, it is against the law and it could be on their permanent record. >> and mike, they can look on lawyers.com and find the information about the serious legal consequences. and parents should also know that they can face serious legal consequences if they know that their teenagers are sexting and they don't stop them. they could be prosecuted as parents to contributing to the delinquency of a minor. they may even be sued civilly for damages of the recipient of that naked picture. and even the person that received that naked picture on their cell phone, if they've encouraged someone else to take that photo naked and send it to them or if they go along and send it to someone else, they can also be prosecuted for conspiracy to distribute child pornography. >> got to wake some people up out there, because there are some parents out there, almost come with the kids will be kids line. dr. taylor, in your education program, forfor middle schooler and high schoolers, that's got

to be a big part of it, the legal consequences. >> first i would like to interject, school districts, professionals in school and school districts have a responsibility to report. and parents don't realize that we have a responsibility to report, not only to the police, but also child protective services. and parents need to know that as well. we have -- now that we have moved through this rodeo, first of all we had clear policies in place. we put those in place before school began. and so they were there to guide us, but now we're focusing on education. we're going to educate students on how to keep themselves safe in this realm, because they do stand a great risk now and in the future. so we want to keep them safe personally and legally. and so our education program will focus on that. >> yeah. >> and we have begun that and we're also going to have to educate parents, in parent groups and parent meetings as

well, so they know very well exactly what the implications are if their children get caught up in this new way of behaving by these children. >> exactly. okay. we're going to take a quick break. you talk about safety, i think kids and parents know, once that message is out there in cyberspace, it is not coming back. that's a key point we have to make. we'll take your calls, by the way. what are your thoughts on this? are you shocked? did you know it was going on? is it worse than you thought? call in, 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. continue our conversation. a new survey, lawyers.com, on sexting. one of the big takeaways is parents really not in the know at all. a third, they don't even know what sexting is. and the numbers just aren't adding up. we all have to be on the same page that this is wrong, kids are doing it, and everyone needs to know the consequences. taking your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. mary joe is with us in ohio. mary joe, go ahead. >> caller: yes, mike. i believe that children need to get the instructions with the phone. in other words, when they get their phone, they need to know that what they're putting out there, since phone is also connected to internet now, those photographs could end up on the internet and that does make it a real problem. >> it sure does. mary jo, thanks for the call. we've heard those storstories.

and gloria, that's where legally we get into some big trouble here, the kids can. and we've heard this story so many times, girlfriend/boyfriend, they break up, the boyfriend may have had the old picture, so then in spite he sends it out. number one, on a safety front, as dr. collins was talking about, that's out there now. who knows who's looking at it. and then the person who sent that, now they're really in some trouble and they could face child porn, right? >> exactly. and having to register as a sex offender and having them follow them on a public record for the rest of their life. but in addition -- >> that brink brings up an interesting -- >> hold on, dr. collins. >> the parent who doesn't make sure his child is not sending these sexually explicit photo to other minors may also face a lawsuit from the parent of an innocent recipient minor who received it. because that other parent may say, you were negligent in supervising your teenage child. therefore, i'm going to sue you for damages. and that's something parents really need to think about. >> this is philip alpert.

he was in that web, ex-girlfriend, he sent the pictures out. now he's in trouble. he can't live with his dad because dad's too close to a school where kids congregate, so he's out. let's listen to his story about the consequences of all this. >> you will find me on the registered sex offender list next to people who have, you know, raped children, molested kids, things like that, because i sent child pornography. i'm being punished for the rest of my life for something that took probably two minutes or less to do. >> there you go, stacy kizer on our psychotherapist, isn't that a great -- shouldn't we let that story out there for kids to hear and shouldn't that help soak in the consequences? >> i think that's a great story. one of the things with teenagers, they don't think about the consequences, it's all about what i want to do right now. the more we canning educate them on what are the ramifications of

their behavior, the better it is for them. >> dr. collins, you agree that a story like that is just great for kids to hear so they know what's going on. >> yes, but there are some implications in that story for communities and states. i believe, personally, that legislatures should take a look at the statutes that cover sexting and adjust them. i don't see that a 12-year-old girl or boy should have their faces posted on the sex offender list. and i certainly don't believe that even a 17-year-old. you know, adults, fine, but these are children and we know the pre-adolescent and the adolescent brain and how they work and the risks they're willing to take. we just should begin to de-criminalize some of this behavior and deal with it through education and deal with it locally in families and schools. >> guys, we have to leave -- and to your point, this is where we are now in the sense of that's the message we have to send that there are serious consequences.

i think i agree with you and there's a judge in ohio that we've had on the show, that there were consequences, but it wasn't going to be punishment for life, that i think we see in some cases now. we'll continue to follow this story and hopefully both parents and kids will get the message and we'll all wise up on this one. we appreciate it. great discussion, guys. how about this? chicago bar where the white kids were let in, the black kids kept out. the bar said it had to do with a dress code and baggy pants. well, wait until you hear what the students did next. and we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. still can't believe this kind of garbage is going on. students from washington university say a nightclub in chicago banned six african-americans in their

class, but they let all the white kids in. nearly 200 of them. now, the staff at the nightclub said it had to do with the dress code, no bagging pants. but listen to what the students did, and it basically squashes that theory. >> he's actually wearing my pants. he actually -- later on, he went back to the hotel, we did a switch of pants and he put my pants on. keep in mind, this is a guy that's about three inches shorter than me and probably close to 40 or 50 pounds lighter than me, but he went back to the bar later on that evening with the same manager, same bouncer at the door and was able to just walk in, while actually making jokes with the bouncer about not paying for the people behind him. >> there you have it. this is racism, pure and simple. joining me to talk about it, jane velez-mitchell, host of "issues with jane velez-mitchell," that's coming your way at the top of the hour. also with us, mark lemon hill, professor at columbia university. jane, this one seems pretty cut and dried. how you reading this one? >> first of all, hattings off to

these students for doing something very ingenuous. they took a negative and essentially turned it into a positive and showed how clever they are by doing an experiment and trading out the pants. and then the white young man, who was wearing the same pants that the african-american was denied entry with gets in and that's, you know, game, set, match. so now they're considering filing a lawsuit. they've filed a local complaint, filed a state complaint, filed a national complaint. so they're proceeding to take all the right moves in terms of responding to this and so while it's very demoralizing to be treated in this way, perhaps something very positive will come out of it and i just say, hats off to them for handling it in this way. >> yeah, exactly. i mean, they didn't -- i mean, certainly, they were upset. they had planned this trip and actually two of the african-american students who were kicked out of there, weren't let in, however you want

to look at it, they helped organize this with the bar. it was going to be this real economic boom for this bar. instead, they end up with this. now, they say they're doing an internal investigation in all this. mark lamon hill, let me get your initial read on this one. do you see this as just isolated and a bouncer and a manager making this racist call, or is it bigger than that? >> this is part of a much bigger social problem that we have. despite what the world tells you, despite what november's election told us, we are not in a post-racial world. all around america, black youth and latino youth too are treated like this on a day-to-day basis. you see them excluded from public events, from clubs, and even from schools, based on their race. this is proof of that. >> jane, again, the bar says that they're investigating that the manager made the call here, so we'll see what happens on that front. where do you think we're going to go? complaints with chicago human rights commission, federal state

agencies. how far could this go. and what can this bar do to help make amends here? >> well, they are considering filing a lawsuit against this bar, if they win that lawsuit, they might get monetary damages as well. so i think that it doesn't make business sense to be behaving this way. i don't care what the excuse is. the bar and the manager said, well, some of these guys had their caps on backward and we associated that with a symbol of gang membership. well, guess what, these kids were all from washington university in st. louis, which is a prestigious university, and one of the young men who was denied entry is the treasurer of the senior council. so if they had had those concerns -- and, these young men actually offered to change their clothes. they said, you know, we'll go back to our hotel and change since we're here with all of the fellow students. all they had to do is, if they had any concerns say, well, let's just see your college i.d. and even that, i think, is not something that i should encourage, because why should they be singled out to be questioned about their college

i.d.? but the reason i say that is, it shows you that the whole argument is fishy from the get-go, because if that really was their concern, there would have been a way for them to answer their question about who these kids were in two seconds flat. were part of the university party that they were all there together. >> yeah. and the white kid comes back and his pants are even baggier because he's three inches shorter and 40 pounds lighter. go ahead. >> exactly. it's a pretext and this happens all the time. one way to think about this is the bouncer was racist and was using clothes as an excuse to not let black kids in. and that's probably true, but another way to think about this is that black youth no matter what they're wearing are always red read as tlefts. jane said it doesn't make business sense to exclude back youth, but in some sense, it does. many people don't want to party with a black or latino person. they think a gang war is going to go down or there's an imminent threat. >> i think we need to stop

viewing this from that perspective. we're in the 21st century. we have an african-american president. i think we need to take a psychological viewpoint of racism. >> this is psychological. >> okay, but the person or persons exhibiting the racism are sick and it's a sign of their low self-esteem and they are really the ones who have the problem, and that's what we need to look at is why are these people exhibiting this mentality and what does it say about them? to me it says they have low self-esteem. >> that's exactly right. >> it says that they have issues that they need to work on. so, i think we need to shift the dynamic of this debate. and instead of being in a place of being victims, i love what these kids did. they took action and they're going to end up quite possibly winning this whole situation. >> yeah, i'm not advocating victimhood. >> mark, we'll it be the conversation at the break. jane's got to run. we'll be watching "issues" at top of the hour. mark and i will pick up on the point jane's talking by mark said many people will tip that.

tonight, stom yark-churning new details in the new york drunk driving wreck that killed eight people. cops say diane schuler was drunk and high on pot. now we know moments before the wreck, a child inside the minivan was franticly calling for help, but the cell phone was taken away. could think been prevented? we'll have all the horrific details from inside the minivan. tonight on "issues," we'll play the tapes. and a group of teenage bandits terrorizing celebrities in the hollywood hills? five teens arrested for allegedly breaking into homes, stealing art, jewelry and millions of dollars in cash. tops say this group knocked off

paris hilton, lindsay lohan and orlando bloom, just to name a few. so, how did they do it and how were they finally caught? we'll tell you why these are no ordinary suspects. six college students say they were not allowed into a chicago nightclub because they're black. meanwhile, 200 non-black students they were with were allowed in, no questions asked. the club claims it was all about dress code, but the students say it was all about the color of their skin, and they say they have proof. we'll take a look. steve phillips gets the boot. the stormy sportscaster was canned from espn after he was caught in a steamy sex affair with a 22-year-old co-worker. his mistress-turned jolted lover allegedly wrote a graphic letter to his wife and veered her car into his house. now he's lost his job and is headed to rehab. we'll have the latest on this drama-filled soap aopera. "issues" starts now. tonight, gut-wraevening new details about how terrified

children pleaded for help just before they were killed in a drunk driving crash. diane schuler behind the wheel with five young kids on board. two were her own children. three were her nieces. only one of them, her young son, survived. police say she was drunk and stoned on pot when she crashed into another car last july while driving the wrong way down a freeway. now we learn that in the minutes leading up to that horror, at least one of the kids had made frantic cell phone calls in a hopeless effort to save their own lives. a family friend relayed that message to police. >> the girls just called in distress. they said that the aunt is driving very erratically, we think she's sick, and we're trying to locate the kids. and the best they could come up with was that they were at the tarrytown rec center. >> sources told the "new york post" the child who was trying to get the help had the cell phone taken away. now, why would diane schuler

take the cell phone away from the child who was trying to help? was she trying, perhaps, to hide her intoxication? if you're sick, presumably you still have the good sense to pull over. but drunks often keep driving. in diane schuler's case, she drove nearly two miles in the wrong direction on a highway. >> diane schuler had a blood alcohol content of 0.19%. diane schuler had approximately six grams of alcohol in her stomach. diane schuler had a high level of thc, tetra my droll ciniperol, in her blood. thc is the active ingredient in marijuana. >> schuler, her daughter and three nieces died when they are slammed into an suv and killed three men in the other suv. in just a moment, you're going to hear more of the caller's helpless attempts to save the victims just before this horrific crash. and i want to hear from you about america's drunk driving

crisis. what is your solution at home? first, straight out to my fantastic expert panel tonya acker, attorney and blogger for the huffington post, dr. rief carrine, terry liles, psychologist and crisis expert, tom ruskin, spokesman for the schuler family and former new york city investigator. and joining me on the phone, michael ayman, reporter for "newsday." michael, you've heard the tapes. what are the most significant new comments coming out of these newly released calls? >> well, i think that the most significant new thing that we heard today was the attempts by the new york state police to track diane schuler's cell phone. there was some attempt made to contact verizon, which is diane schuler's cell phone carrier, to ping the cell phone and get some kind of location so they could send out patrol cars and find

that minivan full of children. but it's not clear to me if they were -- if all of these efforts were happening too late. she did crash at 1:35 p.m., and i'm not sure exactly when these calls took place. >> so, the horror of all this is that they knew there was a problem and they were trying to connect the cell phone in which these children were calling asking for help with a vehicle and a location of that vehicle, and they sensed they were in a race against time, and boy, were they right. police, again, in this race against time, needed details about the schuler's cell phone to help locate diane's vehicle. warren hance, diane schuler's brother and father of three of the victims tried to get the potentially life-saving information from his brother-in-law. hance is heard saying, "danny, does the cell phone bill come in the name of hance or schuler?" there was apparently a pause, a significant pause, and then hance said, "danny?

are you with me?" tom ruskin, you represent danny. why did your client hesitate to answer that crucial question? >> okay, first, just for clarification, i'm running the investigation. i am not the spokesperson for the hances or the schulers. but to answer your question, the reason there was a delay is danny was in route up to tarrytown, the last place that he had heard that diane was in contact with her family, and he dropped the cell phone. he was so nervous at the idea that his wife was missing or injured or possibly in some kind of medical emergency. his brother was driving and he dropped the phone to the floor for a couple of seconds. >> diane schuler called her family as well before the crash and she was reportedly incoherent. her family blames her condition in the crash on a medical condition, not alcohol. listen to this. >> the family here thinks that they might have a medical emergency of their sister that was traveling from monticello

down to long island. the sister called. she can't talk anymore. there's three kids in the car. five. they're trying to locate her. >> schuler's family still insists she had a medical emergency, dr. reef karim, addiction specialist, despite the alcohol in her stomach and the marijuana signs in her blood. what's your take on this emphasize on medical condition? >> yeah, obviously, there's one of three things or a multiple cocktail, so to speak, of three things here. the most likely is it's substance-induced. i mean, alcohol is such a bad drug for your brain when you're driving, specifically because of the frontal lobe right here. it changes perception, alterations in your judgment, risk-taking problems, slowed reaction time when you're tracking things. it's just across the board is bad for you. ad marijuana to the mix, where you could actually get paranoid, in addition to having those same effects of judgment and perception and reaction time, you've got a recipe for disaster

if somebody's driving, especially with the amount she had on board. now, the two other factors playing into this are, who knows, maybe she had a mental health condition, and that was impaired by the drugs that were on board plus what she originally has from a mental health perspective. and the third is, maybe there was something medical on board -- epilepsy, any kind of history of head trauma, brain tumors, aneurism -- >> no, no, here's what i don't get. doctor, i was buying your argument up to that moment, but terry liles, psychologist, if you're physically ill, you can have the good sense to pull over, slow down, pull over even on the side of the road. she drove almost two miles going the wrong direction on a freeway before slamming head-on into another suv, killing eight people, including herself, and there is testimony, or there's evidence in these newly released tapes that the kids who were trying to call for help, somebody grabbed the phone out of their hands and she's the only adult in the car. now, i know being a recovering

alcoholic, there's something called a blackout. you, and often the worst car accidents are done by people in a blackout. they're driving, but they don't even know that they're driving. that's how out of it they are. >> yes. well, i think you said, two key -- >> jane, jane, that's true, jane. >> wait a minute -- >> let me finish with terry, then whoever else is up there. >> you said two key things. one is she obviously didn't have the right kind of judgment as she was driving, because driving two miles down the wrong side of the road -- if you're having a medical condition, like you said, most people would have, i think, enough rational to pull over and say i'm sick, i need help, or call for help or have the kids do that. instead, it's like you said, she blacked out, and then to take the phone away from some of the children who was trying to get help also shows an irrational response to what was going on. so, i think you have two things as the doctor mentioned. you have perception problems, reality problems that could be enhanced by these conditions she put on herself -- alcohol and marijuana -- and you've got a cry for help that's been taken away. so, we've got a big issue around what she had in her body, not

what could have been happening that we didn't know about. >> jane, for the purpose of clarification, there is no evidence that we have come up with or the state police have come up with which shows that she ever grabbed the phone from the child. quite to the contrary. it was her 9-year-old niece -- >> even if she didn't. >> -- emma -- >> even if she didn't, the children were trying to call, somebody -- >> children, the 9-year-old did call at 12:58 and again at 1:01 and explained that their aunt was suffering from something where she can't speak, she can't talk, and -- >> right. it's called alcohol and pot, tanya acker. let tanya speak. >> we actually don't even need to sit here and come up with possible explanations of what may have been going on or what the medical condition, the hypothetical medical condition may have been or who took the phone from the kids. we know she was drunk. we know she was stoned. >> yes. >> we know she was so out of her mind, frankly, she wasn't

responding to the frantic pleas of some kids. we already know what went down there and we know it's disturbing. >> all right, everyone, more head-spinning details in this drunk driving case. we're taking your calls on this and the problem of drunk driving in america. 1-877-jane-7297. also, joe jackson, harsh words about the new michael jackson movie coming out, claiming the producers used body doubles. is there any truth to this claim? we'll find out. first, inside a family's desperate race against time. what happened in those final minutes before diane schuler smashed into another suv going the wrong way on a new york interstate? why does her family still insist, sdpoois despite all the tests, that she wasn't drunk? >> danny doesn't want the other families to think that a drunk driver killed their families. that's why we are out to prove -- try to prove that she wasn't drunk.

no one saw her that morning with alcohol, drunk, acting strange -- >> the opposite. >> the opposite. she was happy, talking to people, gave a kiss good-bye to the owner of the camp, and that person smelled her breath. there was definitely no alcohol when she left that campsite. >> and that was the attorney for diane schuler's family claiming none of the evidence in the fatal dui crash is valid. police say the new york mom was drunk and stoned.

there was a vodka bottle in the car. her kids and nieces in the car were old enough to know they were in danger and one of the kids desperately tried to get help, but it was just too late. back to my fantastic panel and the phone lines lighting up. ron in new mexico. your thought. >> caller: do you believe she may have been self-medicating herself? >> dr. reef karim, when you drink and you use in anything beyond a very limited social setting of drinking, you're self-medicating. >> yeah. most people that drink to excess the way that she does outside of binge drinking are self medicating. self-medicating basically means there's some underlying emotion, there's some underlying problem that's there and you're drinking to escape, to numb, because you're bored, because you want to get out of the situation you're in. you don't want to think about it for a while. that's essentially self-medicating. you know, i think it's important to note here that the most likely candidate is alcohol combined with marijuana. also, if she did have a medical

condition, that would mean that her brain is more vulnerable to the effects of alcohol and marijuana. so, either way, the alcohol and marijuana were a significant, huge factor in contributing to the problem. >> tom ruskin -- >> yes. >> the family says they're out to prove she wasn't drunk. what have you done to prove that, second autopsy? what have you done to try to prove that? >> we're in the process of getting the specimens taken from the first autopsy from the westchester medical examiner's office transferred to a new lab to retest them to make sure that the first test was done appropriately and we come back with the same findings. what we did find out was that the westchester medical examiner's lab never tested it for dna. so, there's still that chance that it may not be diane schuler's, not that i'm saying that, but we're going to make sure. we have diane's toothbrush. we've done the dna just -- >> i hear somebody back there. who's that? >> i'm sorry, jane, that's me.

no disrespect to you, and as a lawyer, i can completely appreciate dotting the is and crossing the ts, but this notion that -- i heard the family's statement before that when she left, she was very happy and in a good mood. maybe somebody on your panel can correct me, but as far as i know, the body does not spontaneously produce alcohol or thc. that doesn't come from nowhere. so, i think where she was before or how happy she may have been earlier in the day is completely beside the point. to the extent there's some evidence, this is the first time i'm hearing that maybe it wasn't her. i completely appreciate your going down that road, but i'm justice hoping that this is not a wild goose chase that's meant to distract and delay from an ultimate resolution. >> except relative to that, at 11:00 we know she entered a convenient store up in liberty where she attempted to buy over-the-counter pain medicine, tylenol advil gel caps. somebody not suffering a medical condition is not going to try to buy over-the-counter pain medicine before your ride

home -- >> unless you're an addict who is trying to -- unless you're an addict, and speaking as an addict in recovery, i have to go back to dr. reef on this -- when you're an addict and you want vodka and you want pot and then it's not quite enough, you're going to go for that other medication you could get over the counter that's very similar to getting you high, but it's just called whatever, pm, something pm. >> well, yeah. any over-the-counter drug is not generally going to get you high. and no over-the-counter drug is indicative of having a medical problem outside of maybe a little arthritic pain. it doesn't mean you have a history of some traumatic neurologic injury based on that. >> up the ante. i know that you'll take anything. you'll drink shoe polish if it's got alcohol in it. >> yeah, jane, but -- >> quickly, what are your thoughts? >> caller: yes, hi, jane. first of all, i want to commend you on your 14 years of sobriety. i also as well am i the

fellowship. i have a little over two years clean. >> good for you. >> thank you so much. my drug of choice was different than this woman, but i just want to say that my drug of choice, i used for 16 years successfully and i have two teenagers. and no one knew that i was using. so -- >> you know what? it makes -- i'm very proud of you for having the courage to come out and say that, because that's the bottom line here, is that addiction can be kept secret. thank you, fantastic panel. you know, addiction, honestly, is a potentially deadly disease for the addict and for those around the user. in my new book "i want," i explain how after decades of struggle, i got sober 14 years ago. you heard the lady call in. i'm sharing my experience to help others who are grappling with an addiction to alcohol, drugs, sugar, food, money, sex. you can order "i want" online at c cnn.com/jane. if you are grappling with an addiction. again, thank you, fantastic panel. six college students say they were denied entry into a

nightclub because they're black. they say they have the pictures to prove it. plus, cops say a group of teens in hollywood robbing from the rich and famous. you won't believe who they allegedly stole from and how much they got away with. and you will not believe the background of these teenagers. it's amazing.

in the spotlight tonight, an unlikely bunch of alleged burglars have been arrested in connection with a year-long crime spree targeting high-profile celebrities. and we mean high. six people, including five rich reform school teenagers, allegedly stole millions in cash, art, jewelry and clothing from hollywood stars -- paris hilton, lindsay lohan and orlando bloom are among the celebrity victims. one of the alleged burglars is the sister of a playboy model! you cannot make this stuff up. the pair have been working on a

reality show together, and they went as far as rolling the cameras while picking up the troubled teen from jail. ha, ha, ha, ha! well, you know what? if they think this is funny, they may stop laughing when they are brought to justice. these are serious, serious charges. joining me now, the fantastic mike walters, assignment manager at tmz. mike, tell me about these teenage suspects and why there's such shock in hollywood over their backgrounds. >> well, first of all, their age. i mean, how this gang of -- we call them the burglar bunch -- how they could come up with the idea to go out and burglarize all these celebrities in town and get away with it. and remember, they actually pull a lot of these off, allegedly, according to, you know, they're being held on the arrest. but it's interesting that these people are kind of well-to-do kids. they all have criminal backgrounds. now, a bunch of them are like 18, 19 years old. two of the girls who were arrested have done it before, actually been convicted. they were charged with burglary. they went together and stole stuff from a store.

this other kid, nick prugo -- you know, here's how brainiac the kids are -- they actually allegedly took a computer from a house and then used the computer in a bedroom and all of them are in front of it talking about, you know, the stuff they did, showing some of the jewelry off from some of the celebrity homes. they actually went on and searched like lindsay lohan rolex and then showed the rolex in a photo. i mean, the audacity of these kids. and then, you know, to get it taken away and have lapd figure out most of this stuff and arrest six people in connection, i couldn't believe that the kids' age and who they were and exactly how they pulled this off. >> well, it's so fascinating to me that two of the targeted stars have had legal troubles of their own, putting it mildly. paris hilton, of course, arrested and jailed for a parole violation in a reckless driving case. who could forget the image of her strutting her stuff when she came out of jail? there she is. she thought it was a fashion show. not! oh, look at that smirk. ugh. and lindsay lohan, to say that

she struggled with sobriety, that's an understatement. in 2007, look at that mug shot, allegedly arrested for driving under the influence. she lost control of her mercedes. and she's more infamous for that alleged high-speed chase down pacific coast highway. and a lot of people thought she got off really easy on that one. you know, a lot of other kids, let's say a poor minority kid without a high-priced lawyer could end up in jail for a whole lunch of things for a long time. do you think these kids will get off because they're rich? >> let me tell you something, we didn't even post this on the site, but i can tell you, most of them -- i think five out of six are on probation already. so, number one, no, they're not going to get off, because if they're charged and convicted of any crime, put on probation, so they're probably going to do some sort of jail time. but you are right about the celebrities. i mean, these celebrities get stuff taken out of their house, like you just said, paris, lindsey, they have backgrounds. they've gotten out of a lot of it. i don't think these kids will be so lucky. plus, they're celebrities, so they want to make a statement

against them and put them behind bars. >> we'll stay on top of this, thanks, mike. next, a group of college students are upset they were not let into a nightclub.

steve phillips gets the boot. the stormy sportscaster was canned from espn after he was caught in a steamy sex affair with a 22-year-old co-worker. she allegedly wrote a graphic letter to his wife and veered her car into his house. now phillips lost his job and is headed to rehab. we'll have the latest on this drama-filled soap opera and ask the question, is he a sex addict? shocking allegations of blatant racism. six african-american college students were refused entry into a chicago bar. was it because of their clothing or the color of their skin?

that's what we're asking tonight. students from washington university in st. louis planned a senior trip to chicago. they decided to hit the town heading to mother's nightclub. that's when they say the night took a really awful turn. the club reportedly let in close to 200 non-black students, no problem, but the 6 black students with the group were told you cannot come in. the bar says the students were violating the dress code. regitz was told his jeans were simply too baggy. so, this is what he did, he traded pants with his white friend. listen what happened. >> he's actually wearing my pants. he actually -- later on, he went back to the hotel, we did a switch of pants and he put my pants on. keep in mind, this guy's about three inches shorter than me and probably close to 40 or 50 pounds lighter than me. but he went back to the bar later on that evening with the same manager, same bouncer at the door and was able to just walk right in, while actually making jokes with the bouncer about not paying for the people

behind him. >> now, here is the photo, once again, of the switcheroo. you be the judge. regitz on the left, his pal on the right. they're wearing the same jeans. regis was denied entry and jordan was let right in. what do you think? is the proof in the pants? did this bouncer have a problem with the clothes or with the person wearing them? the state of illinois and the federal government both launched investigations into this incident. the students filed complaints with the chicago commission on human rights, the illinois attorney general's office and the u.s. department of office. regis says the group may also file a lawsuit against the bar. why are we still dealing with this in the 21st century when we have an african-american president? we reached out to this bar, but we have not yet received a statement. they did let in other african-americans that night. that's according to the bar, but the question is, why were these six young african-american men kept out? straight out to my expert panel.

steve rogers is a detective lieutenant with the nutley new jersey police department, a media consultant and visiting journalism professor at northwestern university, brian monroe, but we begin with tanya acker, attorney and blogger for "the huffington post." tanya, what is your take on this? >> it was not the pants. i mean, it's so funny. i'm laughing only because this story is so darkly familiar. you know, we all have the antidotal stories about, you know, the black kid and the baggy pants who's a gang panger and then the kid in the same pants who's sort of a cute eminem wanna be. unfortunately, this stuff happens. you've made a good point about how far we've come. and certainly we have an african-american president. we have not rooted out all the bad apples. we will not. this is something we just have to sort of deal with and try to get people the right remedies, get them justice when and where we are. >> the manager of the bar is insisting he was just trying to enforce the dress code. he says there is a lot of gang violence in the area and they

often wear backwards hats and baggy pants. he claims some of the kids he didn't let in were wearing these backward pants. now, here's the thing -- look at these young men. these young men don't look or sound like gang bangers. they are actually stars at their university. let's list a couple of their achievements. one is senior class treasurer and on the varsity track. one student is prelaw. another is a basketball star. one works as an intern in the community service office. so, for this club owner to discriminate against them and then use the excuse of suggesting that they appear to be gang bangers really doesn't pass the smell test, and i'll throw that one to steve rogers. >> well, my answer to that, jane, is simple -- white people are in gangs. so, this is laughable. this is racism at its core. apparently, this guy has a problem with african-americans. and i'll tell you, when the chicago police get through with this, you might have many, many more victims come forward and say i was discriminated against

also. >> i'm sure. brian monroe, professor, northwestern's medal's school of journalism. i think i may have pronounced that the wrong way. >> medill. >> here's my take on all this of the i think it's time to turn the tables on racism and take a psychological approach now that we're in the 21st century. and instead of getting angry, realize, first of all, these kids did all the right moves. they're filing with everybody. they may file a lawsuit. they're taking it to a state and federal level. but also from a psychological perspective, recognize that the person exhibition the person is the problem, the person who has low self-esteem, because otherwise, there would be no reason for them to try to elevate themselves in this manner over someone else, and that essentially, in my humble opinion, racism is a form of mental illness, and we have got to start really treating it as a sickness. >> well, you know, i'd agree.

i think these kids in this situation did all the right things. they tried entering the right way. they even tried to reason with the manager, and the manager just wouldn't let them in. and then changing jeans and showing that, hey, even the white kid got in, that was just beyond wrong. and the one good thing is they aveiled themselves of the process. and hopefully, this process will work. filing through the commission, the right agencies. they sent a letter to mayor daly. and here, they've got us talking about this. so, hopefully enough scrutiny and enough of a spotlight can be shone on this bar owner. i would agree with the earlier panelist, i bet this was not the first time it happened there. >> oh, no. the manager of the bar says this was just about the dress code. he says they let other african-americans in that very night. we here on "issues" did some digging, however, and a review of that bar posted a year ago says, "the worst experience of my life! bouncers are ignorant and biased against people of color.

they denied my husband access due to his wardrobe. they allowed a white man to enter even though he had on gym shoes like my husband did. after my husband changed, they still didn't let him enter because of baggy jeans. they clearly have a problem with race. "by the way, i invite anybody whosion a representative of this restaurant to come on any night and we'll debate it if you have an argument. i want to get to terry liles, psychologist. back to my point -- is it time to refocus the debate over racism from a psychological perspective and say in the 21st century, people are behaving like this, they have a problem that they need to look at, that this is a sign of their low self-esteem that they need -- they feel the need to exhibit this kind of racism? >> yeah, this becomes a power control kind of exertion of who they are and who they're not. and i think one way to remedy this is the old-fashioned way.

you've just got to educate people. bar owners and restaurant owners, i mean, they need to be very, very clear -- >> i've got to disagree with you. >> a dress code that's nothing to do -- >> i don't think it has anything to do with this, tanya acker. i don't think you can educate a bouncer -- >> then you need to fire him. >> in 2009, if you're telling me this bouncer doesn't get that it's not okay to discriminate against black people, i don't know what more we can do in terms of his education. >> that's not what i said. >> no, no, but what i will say is that i think what we really need to be doing is kmaengd the response of these young kids. >> yes, absolutely. >> because i've got to tell you, that is a humiliating, demoralizing thing to happen to you, and rather than responding angrily, rather than responding in a way where their response may have gotten more attention than the bad reaction that triggered it, i think they did the exact right thing and i think they are a model to invoke process in a way that hopefully will bring them justice. >> i agree. they took all the right steps.

they did all the right moves. >> if they get rid of this bouncer, which they should, i bet they hire other people who are sensitive to this and they will train them better to say, listen, you'd better be careful not to mix up clothes with color -- >> it's posted on a review on the internet. i think you're a little naive about the -- go ahead. >> tanya -- >> bouncers make this call -- >> bryan. >> bouncers make this call every night at clubs all across the country and usually get it pretty right. >> yes. >> but you know, there are places and there are occasions where, you know, they don't look past the students and only see the color of their skin or what they're wearing. >> absolutely. >> and make judgments. and that's wrong. >> i want to get to my big issue tonight. are we going in reverse? i am so appalled that this kind of blatant racism, as these kids allege, could possibly occur in this day in age. and we just heard that horrific story about a louisiana judge denying an interracial marriage last week. listen to this. >> at the end of the conversation, she said, you

know, i have a question to ask you. is this an interracial marriage? and i was shocked. and i said, "excuse me?" and she said, is this an interracial marriage? and i said, yes, ma'am. and she said, what's the deal, is he black or are you black? so i answered her question and she just said, we don't do interracial marriages. >> tanya acker, put this in perspective. we just elected an african-american president. you'd think we were in a post-racial world, but apparently not. tanya? oh. >> can you hear me? >> go ahead. yeah. >> i don't think we're going backward. i think what you're seeing happen is these sorts of incidents are getting more attention because people realize that this stuff is just not okay, it's not american, it's not human, it's not dignified, it's not right. and i think that now people are just reacting to it more, so we're seeing it get more attention. but i actually think we're on the upswing. i think we're moving in the right direction, notwithstanding these holdouts we keep hearing about from time to time. >> all right. i want to thank our fantastic panel for a very fascinating

discussion. we're going to stay on top of that story. steve phillips against canned by espn. the sportscaster was caught having a sexual affair with a co-worker. he had it all, so why do these men continue to risk everything for sex? we're taking your calls on that one. 1-877-567-5867. joe jackson has harsh words for the new michael jackson movie, claiming it's not even michael screen? they use a body double? is there any truth to this at all? we're going to examine.

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new york city and visit me on the set of "issues," and you can break bailey, just as long as you don't bring any bailey's irish cream with you. way to go. congrats. all right, espn analyst steve phillips gets kicked to the curb. first, he was caught having an affair. now he's out of a job and headed for rehab. we'll have all the latest details, but first, "top of the block" tonight. the new michael jackson movie comes out tomorrow night. mm-mmm, don't expect joe jackson to be waiting in line for tickets. m.j.'s dad is ripping this movie! you know joe. he claims the producers used body doubles to impersonate the king of pop. the studio calls these claims pure garbage and they guarantee that every single tiny frame is "unquestionably michael." "this is it" focused on the final rehearsals as michael prepped for his london concert tours. while it very well may be michael jackson in the entire

movie, we have to remember it's only been four months since his tragic death, and i personally think this movie could be too much for some members of his family, even joe. that is tonight's "top of the block." shocking, new developments in the scandal that has shaken e espn. the network tells baseball commentator steve phillips, you are out! the married broadcaster has been booted from his tv gig after being caught in a scandalous love triangle with this 22-year-old production assistant. looks about 13 there. here she is in a tmz photo. now steve is headed -- want to take a guess where he's headed? to rehab to "address his personal issues." my question tonight -- this isn't the first time he has strayed. is he just a plain old cheater, you know, the old-fashioned kind, or a sex addict? this just in. the "new york post" reports he's checked in to be treated for sexual addiction. i guess i answered my own

question. the steamy affair with brooke hundley allegedly went from puppy love to fatal attraction fast. a nasty breakup led brooke to reportedly harass steve's family. his wife marni has now asked him for a divorce. she's the one who made this terrified 911 call when she found her husband's mistress in her driveway. >> i have a crazy woman who is involved with my husband and she has come to my house to harm me and my children. >> okay, ma'am, is she outside? >> yes. she is pulling down my hill right now. she is in a blue prius. she just pulled past me. >> okay, i'm sending officers right now. >> please hurry. >> they're coming. they're on their way. >> please hurry and catch her. she's crazy. >> cops saybrooke also went after brooke went after phillips' 17-year-old son, messaging him on facebook, posing as a fellow student, cyber stalking him, allegedly for information on his parents' relationship.

now she's been canned, but brooke's myspace page says she is hopeful. that status could change soon. espn also says brooke is outta here! terry liles, psychologist, what was this guy thinking? do you think that he's just, for lack of a better word -- i don't know if i can say this on tv -- a horndog, or is he a sex addict? >> well, who knows getting into his mind and motives, but i think we've got three issues. we've got the issue that now he's going to rehab to try to work on this now that his marriage is gone and, frankly, he messed with the wrong girl and she came after him. you've got the affair issue, the workplace issue that's backgroundriless, and then this stalking effect from this girl. whatever his causation, he's in pretty big trouble with his wife, now with the girl. his whole family was put in danger. i hope they can help him there, but sex is usually driven by something deeper than sex itself. >> let me give you some evidence. dr. reef karim, you're the adistribution specialist. you tell me, is he a sex addict? let's look at his cheat sheet.

1998, manager of the new york mets, admits to having sex with a mets employee. she sues him for sexual harassment. that case is settled out of court. he admits he cheated with other women, too. 2003, the mets fire steve not because of the harassment suit but certainly it doesn't help. fast forward to today, rumors fly that steve is a womanizer who seduces others, other females, possibly allegedly reportedly others at espn. he is fired from espn after admitting to this tumultuous affair with this espn production assistant. okay, dr. reef. sex addict? >> that was a great build-up for me, jane. thanks. so the million-dollar question, when does a womanizer become a sex addict? let's talk about sex addiction. it's also called compulsive sexual behavior or hypersexuality. essentially, it affects 3% to 6%, research studies show, of our country. definitely more in men than there is women. it's based on having, as your other guest said, unresolved

problems, either from childhood, trauma history, obsessional thinking, fantasies, impulsivity, or, and you're going to like this, co-morbid substance use or co-morbid mental health issues. >> hold on right there. we're going to be back with more analysis of steve phillips' love triangle.

did she confront you? did she threaten you or anything? >> she has been threatening me the entire -- phone call. >> did anything happen when she hoed up? >> i was out, and when i pulled in my driveway she was on the side of my driveway. >> that was marni phillips, the scorned soon-to-be ex-wife of sports commentator, actually ex-sports commentator steve phillips. he was given the boot today by espn for his scandalous affair with a 22-year-old staffer. he's 46, she's 22. so yeah. half his age. he's heading straight to rehab to address personal issues.

now, tanya acker, as an attorney could this also be a little bit of strategery as they say because if you're an addict or alcoholic and you tell your boss i'm an alcoholic and you go get help, you go to rehab, when you come back you can get your job back. >> you can in some cases. but i think when you're talking about a public figure and a public personality espn would be well within its rights to say, you know, addiction or no addiction or just being a horndog or whoever, whatever you are, you simply are not the image, you're not the public face that we can put out representing our network. i think when you're talki ining about media outlets and when you're certainly talking about an outlet like espn, which that's a family channel. people turn on and watch sports, and they want their representatives, they want the people representing the network to represent those values. i don't think there's anything wrong with that. >> now, let's talk about espn's corporate culture, terry lyles, because brooke hundley got a restraining order, or tried to get one, and in it, this is a court document, she claims she

told a supervisor about phillips' advances and was told to "get used to it." now, if that's true, do we also need to focus a little bit on the corporate culture? because we know every corporation has its own culture. >> i agree. i mean, if that really took place, that's an internal problem because that's something you just don't get used to. we've talked about this on other programs about other situations. and you know, sexual harassment and follow-through is not just about sex. it's usually about power and control. so there is a corporate issue that needs to be addressed. again, it needs to go back to people need to understand this kind of behavior is not okay in the workplace. >> and it may have a little something to do with the subject matter that they cover, which is sports, which is generally high testosterone. >> yes. >> so there's that issue, too. i mean, let's point out the obvious, people. right, terry? >> it is. no, totally it is. i mean, there's a lot of sport there. and you can say it's a lot of testosterone driven and it's probably a lot of men and women that watch it. but i think you've also got to look at it and say listen, this is an ongoing problem in

corporate america today, and it's alarming to me, i know it is to you, that this kind of thing takes place. trawl, steve should have known better. you don't work and play at the same place. >> dr. reef karim, addicts don't know better. they can't really be blamed for their behavior in the sense they're not in control of their behavior. how do you treat sex addiction, dr. reef? >> jane, the big difference between a womanizer, meaning some guy in this case who has a problem with intimacy and problem with commitment, is completely different than a sex addict, somebody suffering from sex addiction. sex addiction involves problems with the same thing we talked about with alcohol, judgment. overall problem solving. there is impairment in somebody's executive functioning. their ability to actually think through things, to reason things, to not act on impulse. so sometimes it's treated with medications. the majority of the time it's treated therapistically for somebody to understand how do you hit the pause button, how do you actually stop from engaging

on your impulses, and actually why are you engaging -- >> got to tlaev right there. if you've got an addiction, get help. you're watching "issues." they said it would never last.

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