breaking news tonight. live to the heartland. a 9-year-old little missouri girl plays with a little friend, walks home, still daylight, through her own neighborhood. no more than a quarter mile. that's only about 1,000 feet. she never makes it home. tonight, the massive search for 9-year-old elizabeth olton comes to an end. her body found in a heavily wooded area just houses away from her own home. police converge on one of those homes, the last known sighting of the 9-year-old alive.

bombshell tonight. a murder suspect in custody. no, not one of the dozens of registered sex offenders in the area. not a vagrant, not an escapee, not a parolee. suspect is a 15-year-old girl. >> someone to just go in and reach in and pull your heart out, that's what it's like. >> breaking news in the case of elizabeth olten who was found in a wooded area behind her home. a teen suspect arrested in the murder of elizabeth is a 15-year-old girl. >> a 15-year-old committed murder in the first degree. >> the fact that this juvenile didn't immediately call in and say that there was an accident leads me to think that this was something way more nefarious than that. >> police say the teen suspect led them to elizabeth's body last week. the body was found very well concealed in an area where

searchers were looking for her. >> we had been through that area, actually more than once. the body was very well concealed. >> neighbors also tell us that the friend's home where elizabeth was last seen was searched shortly after the body was found friday. >> when these children are indeed attacked or abducted, they usually are dead within 30 minutes to an hour. >> a hearing will be held next month to determine if the suspect will be charged as an adult or juvenile. prosecutors say the sheriff's office requests that the suspect be charged with first-degree murder, indicates they believe the crime was planned. >> and tonight a beautiful young virginia tech coed keeps tickets to a metallica concert for six months taped up on the fridge. goes to the concert with all her friends. just before the band takes the stage she goes missing from a packed arena, holding 16,000 people. and nobody knows what happened? found in the parking lot -- her

purse and cell phone battery removed. breaking tonight. grainy concert video emerges of a girl fitting morgan's description. is it morgan? tonight with us live taking your calls, morgan's parents. >> it's grainy video posted on youtube, but some people think the girl in it fits the description of morgan harrington. here's what looks like the same girl from a different angle. we sat down with harrington's dad after he found out about the videos. he says the girl in the video does look similar to his daughter. >> looks like it could be morgan. it's fairly far away, you know, and lots of moving images. but you know, it -- you know, the one thing that doesn't go with it is morgan left with tights on. i just can't remember the timeline of where things are as

to when they took the stage and whether morgan was still in the building or not. >> at the time morgan was at the concert she was wearing a black t-shirt that had the words "panera" written across it. she was also wearing black knee-high boots, black tights, and a black miniskirt. >> dan and jill harrington say the only way to get their daughter back is information, whether it's videos like this or a detail you may think is insignificant. they say it could be just the piece that connects this puzzle. >> if morgan's out there and hears us, please come home. and if someone has morgan, please let her come home safely. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. live to the heartland. a 9-year-old missouri girl plays with a little friend, walks home, still daylight, through her own neighborhood. it's only about 1,000 feet.

she never makes it home. tonight the search for 9-year-old elizabeth olten comes to an end. her body found in a heavily wooded area just houses from her own home. bombshell tonight. a murder suspect in custody. it's a 15-year-old girl. >> stunning developments today in the case of 9-year-old elizabeth olten, found murdered in a heavily wooded area behind her home. multiple reports as well as neighbors claim the teen suspect, arrested in the murder of elizabeth, is a 15-year-old girl. >> we came into possession of some written documents. the results of those documents gave us a person of interest. after questioning that individual we were taken to the site where the body was. >> police will not give details on the teen but do say the suspect led them to elizabeth's

body, which was found very well concealed. >> you know, when you have a small body, it's amazing how hidden they can get. and the second thing is the body may have been brought back after that area was searched. >> meanwhile, moments after the body was found, neighbors say authorities converged on the friend's home where elizabeth was last seen. >> this wasn't a game of hide and go seek gone wrong, that this was actually something ridiculously more serious than that. we're going to be looking at some very, very serious charges. >> a hearing will be held to determine if the suspect will face charges as an adult or minor. police have asked the d.a.'s office to charge the teen with first-degree murder. >> she'd be eligible for what we call dual jurisdiction. if she is eligible for dual jurisdiction she would be transferred to the temporary custody of the division of youth services, where they would provide her treatment and services. >> straight out to lad egan, news director and anchor with krcg. a 15-year-old girl is the murder

suspect? not just murder. premeditated malice murder one suspect. this was planned? ladd, please tell me i'm wrong. >> you're absolutely right. the sheriff wants first-degree murder charges. she plainly says this was something that was planned. he says they have written evidence and that they've also talked with this 15-year-old girl and there was obviously some sort of an interview and then she walked them into the woods and showed them where the body -- and he said the body was very well concealed. >> okay, ladd -- with me ladd egan with krcg. i don't know how well a 15-year-old girl could conceal a body from detectives, searchers, canine dogs, cadaver dogs, bloodhounds. you know, i need to hear more about this well-concealed body because i find that very hard to believe. but i want to get back to what you just said. you said written evidence. now, it's my understanding, ladd

egan, that an anonymous letter had been sent to police. but you're saying writing. are you talking about the letter, or are you talking about perhaps the 15-year-old girl's diary? >> i asked the sheriff that. i said, you know, is there a letter and is there also other written evidence? and he said now that this case is turned over to juvenile authorities he cannot talk anymore and he would not say if there are two separate things. i listened closely to the press conference over the weekend, and they started out talking about a letter that they received. that led them to the juvenile. and then you know, the juvenile led them to the body. but then he also brought up later that they issued the charges, or you know, they want to file these charges of first-degree murder because of written evidence. so it's unclear if there's other charges. >> something in that written evidence, be it -- i'm saying there may be a letter from someone that knew what happened. that i would guess, i would put

money on the 15-year-old blabd to. but when you say written evidence, that tells me that this girl was keeping a diary and in that diary she said enough that told cops this was premeditated. and remember, everybody, premeditation does not necessarily mean a long, drawn-out plan such as a poisoning by arsenic over time. malice, or premeditation, can be formed in the blink of an eye, in the snap of a finger, the time it takes you to raise a gun and pull the trigger. that's time under the law for premeditation to be formed. we are taking your calls live. out to patricia in maryland. hi, patricia. >> caller: hi, nancy. i just want to tell you i love you and i love everything you do for everybody. and my question is where are the parents? >> of the -- where are the parents of the little girl, the 9-year-old or -- >> caller: no, the parents of the 15-year-old. >> yeah, where are the parents, ladd egan? what can you tell me about that? where were they when all this was going down? >> caller: well, we don't know

the name of the girl. the court authorities today kept on referring to her as a girl. i have sources, very good source that's have talked to me. it's just we don't know how to get ahead of ourselves when they haven't released her name. we have heard that -- >> wait a minute. you don't know her name? i know her name. i'm not going to say her name because she's a juvenile. but her name is out there. >> i as well know her name, and i am told that she does not live with her parents, that she is cared for by other family members. >> well, then where are they? if they're caring for her, as you said, how was she able, assuming the allegations are true, to do this crime? and let me back up a minute. with me ladd egan from krcg, joining us, jefferson city, missouri. this little girl, a 9-year-old little girl, minding her own business, coming home from school -- rupa mikkilineni, bring us up to date with the facts. take it from the beginning. what happened? >> here's what we know, nancy. she disappeared wednesday, when

she was playing at a neighbor -- a friend's house. she was supposed to walk home. it was just a quarter of a mile walk back to her house. she didn't show up. 7:00 when she didn't show up the parents called the police. >> back it up. what time was she playing with the little friend? according to my sources, it was still daylight when she went to get -- walk home. >> that's right. about 6:15, still daylight. >> okay. >> so afterwards the police were called. there was a neighborhood search. hundreds of people searching for her for two days. >> hold on. don't mean to interrupt but i just want to clarify. she goes missing around 6:15. the parents call cops around 7:00, is that right? >> that's right. >> go ahead. >> hundreds of people searching for the next two days, dogs searching. they found cell phone pings in the area. so they knew the yell phone wasn't very far from the area, the neighborhood where she was last seen. and then they got this anonymous tip. either it was a letter. we're again unsure this written evidence the sheriff was talking about. and then immediately afterward this led them to the 15-year-old suspect, who then led them to the body. >> look at this little girl.

this little girl, elizabeth olten just 9 years old, playing in her own neighborhood. the parents did everything right. they knew where she was. walking home about 1,000 feet, she goes missing. the search has ended. elizabeth is dead and in custody a 15-year-old girl, booked on murder one. >> she's just a baby. her mom -- i mean, she's a wreck. i mean, she's like i am. and her dad's a wreck.

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bar," mondays at 10:00 on tnt. and peck up nancy's new book, "the eleventh victim," available now wherever books are sold. the sheriff said that they received a handwritten note, and he wouldn't elaborate on if someone brought it to them or they found it. and he said that note led them to find this juvenile and then it was that juvenile who led them to the body out in the woods. they even said they went over this area twice and didn't come across the body until this juvenile led them to the body. >> we had been through that area, actually more than once. the body was very well concealed. >> apparently, elizabeth knew this person. >> a heartbreaking end in the search for 9-year-old elizabeth olten. little elizabeth vanishes walking alone just a short distance from her own home. and she never makes it. >> she's just a baby. she does not deserve this. her family does not deserve

this. >> we're not going to be able to spend a great deal on it other than to tell you that the person that led us to this is also a juvenile. >> that's right. the suspect behind bars tonight is not a parolee or an escapee or one of the dozens of registered sex offenders that live in the area. it's a 15-year-old girl. we are taking your calls live, but right now i want to go to a very special guest joining us. vicki olten. this is little elizabeth's aunt. she is joining us from russellville, missouri. miss olten, i thought i knew everything about being a crime victim when my fiance was murdered before our wedding, but i cannot imagine losing john david or lucy. how are the parents? how are her parents tonight? >> they're a wreck. i haven't heard from her dad

today. so i can't imagine how he's doing right now. i know her mom's a wreck. >> you know, just hearing the facts, miss olten, i can hardly take it in. she only had about 1,000 feet to walk. 1,000 feet to get home from her friend's house. and just the shock of a 15-year-old neighbor girl being the suspect. i know the family is stunned. >> it just -- it's so unreal. >> when did you first discover that elizabeth was missing? >> her oldest sister called me about 7:00 and told me they couldn't find her and that they were out looking for her, that she was headed to her mother's house, and then they went up to

the other house where she was supposed to be playing and they said she wasn't there. >> so she started walking home at 6:15. 7:00 the parents were already on the phone with police. the parents did everything right. they knew where she was. she was right there in the neighborhood. just a few houses down. that's why i was so dumfounded when i found out the little girl's body was right there. i don't understand how police didn't find it. now, they keep telling me the child was -- the body was so well concealed. how could a 15-year-old girl trick searchers, police, canine dogs? how did she hide elizabeth? >> i'd like to know that myself. >> tell me about elizabeth. these photos, her personality just beams out of the photos.

>> when you see that morning sun pop over the mountain, that's what she was. she was sunshine. and you can't help but love her. i mean, she was picking on her brother in this picture you're showing now here at my house, and it was funny. you just had to be here. >> with me is elizabeth's aunt, vicki olten. we are taking your calls. her parents have received the news, as you are, that a suspect is in custody. it's a 15-year-old neighbor girl, a 15-year-old girl, charged with premeditated murder one. we are taking your calls live. to tonight's case alert. finally, an arrest and murder charge in the stabbing death of an all-american college football star, jasper howard, university

of connecticut. howard's life cut short at a college dance. after an extensive investigation, hundreds of interviews, three suspects who are not uconn students in custody. one facing murder charges. >> police have arrested the following -- john w. lomax iii, age 21, of bloomfield, connecticut on the charge of murder and the second charge of conspiracy to commit assault in the first degree.

breaking news in the case of

9-year-old elizabeth olten, who was found murdered in a heavily wooded area behind her home. multiple reports say the teen suspect arrested in the murder of elizabeth is a 15-year-old girl. police say the teen suspect led them to elizabeth's body -- >> if she's eligible for what we call dual jurisdiction, if she is eligible for do youal jurisdiction she would be transferred to the temporary custody division of youth services where they would provide her treatment and services. >> treatment? this is a 15-year-old girl. when that speaker was referring to dual jurisdiction, she's talking about this child would be treated as a juvenile, which means even if she got the max she could walk free in six years at age 21, or will she be treated as an adult? rupa, when will that decision be made? she going to be bound over to be treated as an adult? >> this decision's going to be made on november 18th. this is the certification hearing. tomorrow she's going to be in court for a detention hearing,

which will determine whether she will await her days until the 18th either at home or remain in the detention facility. >> they may let her out tomorrow? did i -- did you just say that? >> there's going to be a discussion about that tomorrow at the hearing. >> with who? who's going to be in on that discussion? >> we know she will be appearing with her attorney. we know that the juvenile court will be hearing arguments. >> so it's going to be before a juvenile judge? >> yes. >> okay. let's unleash the lawyers. susan moss, new york. raymond giudice, defense attorney, atlanta. joe wallace, defense attorney, author of "prosecutorial misconduct" joining us out of the philadelphia jurisdiction. sue mont sue moss, i'm scared. have you ever known a juvenile judge that was any more harsh than, say, a social worker? they want to sit around a little table and tell the juvenile to write an essay about why they did a bad thing, and then they can go home and have a cookie. i'm not kidding. i practiced in juvenile court before i got to big court, and

that's the mentality there. >> if she is sent home to freely roam -- >> i'll bust a gasket. >> -- then lady justice must be taking a nap. it's absolutely ridiculous. because the reality is if this crime is premeditated she's going to be doing some adult time. you look at the seriousness of the case, the fact that it resulted in death. this kid is not going to be prosecuted in a juvenile hall but in real adult jail, and i think she's going to spend a lot of time there.

as the days grew longer and the search effort came up empty, everyone dreaded the news. >> we came into the possession of some written documents. the results of those documents gave us a person of interest. after questioning that individual, we were taken to the site where the body was -- >> with 9-year-old elizabeth olt yen's body came the formal charge. >> a 15-year-old committed the

offense of murder in the first degree. >> juvenile laws protect most information in the case. details, including the suspect's gender and any known relationship remains unknown. more than 1,000 volunteers and officials aid in the search. but the dense woodland and hilly terrain complicated efforts. >> we have been through that area, actually more than once. the body was very well concealed. >> we are taking your calls live. out to mike brooks, former fed with the fbi. what do you make of it, mike? >> well, nancy, you know, they're saying it was very well concealed. this is an extremely rural, very wooded area. now, you know, they said they went through there with dogs. again, keep in mind, nancy, dogs are only a tool. they said the first time they went through it was raining. usually, rain is pretty good because the air is more dense. but there again, if this girl, this 15-year-old planned this out, she could have concealed this body.

>> to marc klaas, president and founder of klaaskids foundation, i just don't know how cadaver dogs and bloodhounds could have missed this. plus we also know now that the body was not far away from her cell phone. the little girl even had a cell phone. marc klaas, she was doing -- the mommy made sure she did everything right. she had a cell phone. she's only a few houses away, 1,000 feet, for pete's sake. >> yeah, it's -- this is a brutal, brutal situation. but before i get into that too much, i would like to offer my condolence to her family. this is just a terrible experience that they're going through. nancy, given -- >> you know what, marc? just pause. >> sure. >> you're right. everybody else is hashing this through, talking about the facts and the evidence, and it's easy to forget that right now there is a family that is devastated, their hearts are broken, they can't even take in that their daughter is gone, their little girl is gone. it's over. >> absolutely. >> all your hopes, all your

dreams, all your love, it's over. and behind bars is a 15-year-old girl. >> given time and circumstance, a killer will do everything possible to cover up their crime. and that includes disposing of the body. remember, caylee anthony was only a few hundred yards from her home, and it took many months to find her. remember, just last week the little girl somer thompson, her killer tried to dispose of her by dumping her in a landfill. so i think we have to give a little bit of -- we have to give a little bit of credit to the authorities, not for the amber alert they didn't issue when they should have but for being diligent and ultimately finding the little girl's body. >> you know what? that's a good point. because good policework, not forensic tools, solved this case. we are taking your calls live. back to the lawyers. raymond giudice, joe lawless.

okay, ray, you know how juvenile bindovers work. the child, as they're called in the law, this is by no means a child, she's a 15-year-old, will be at a hearing tomorrow to determine whether she stays behind bars, which i predict she will -- >> right. i agree. >> and you know, no judge in his or her right mind is going to let an alleged killer, a baby killer, out from behind bars. but then the big question is will she be treated as an adult? as an adult she can get life without parole. >> let me tell you what i would be looking for if i was her counsel. i would gather every single medical record from this 15-year-old from the day she was born -- >> there you go. >> wait a second. let me tell what you i'm going to do. >> never ceases to amaze me -- >> get all of her school grades. pretesting. i want to give that judge every piece of information so i can do everything i can as her lawyer, not as the prosecutor, to keep her in the juvenile court. that's my job. >> hey. >> get a prosecutor to do the other job.

>> just because you drag the word out does not make it any more significant. so my question is what do you hope her grades, her school grades are going to tell a judge? >> i want to look for a pattern of this child either having psychological or inability to comprehend the seriousness of the crime. we don't know. a simple iq test could make it so this child, this 15-year-old girl does not have the sufficient competency, intellectual competency to stand trial as an adult. it could be that simple, nancy. >> lawless? >> nancy, the only thing we know about this child is she's not living with her parents, she's living with other family members, which suggests a living condition that could have impact on her background. we don't know the nature of the crime other than the fact it was a horrible, tragic killing. we don't know -- we -- >> put lawless up. put him up. i know this much. it's premeditated according to police and -- >> that's what -- >> i'd like to finish. and i know it's from a diary.

so this child you're referring to that has all these mental problems keeps a diary, a well-written diary with enough detail to clue cops in about what's happening. but let's go to the authority, dr. bethany marshall, psychoanalyst and author of "deal breakers," joining us out of the new york studio. bethany, weigh in. >> nancy, the fact she would in a diary and then possibly told another friend who then told police speaks volumes. and what it tells me is there was a fondness for aggression. whether teens plan to commit violence and they want to do it and they fixate on it, they write about it. we saw this with the columbine killers. we saw this with casey anthony. we see this with school shooters. and usually the mindset of the killer is there is a preoccupation with wreaking vengeance and seeking harm and rendering the victims into a very helpless state. so in this case it's violence for the sake of violence. it's not to cover up another

crime like child molestation. it's not to kill a child because they took your possession like a pair of sneakers or something like that. it's usually correlated with parental aggression, parental brutality, and then carrying that out on a helpless victim. >> and this is what else i can deduce. i don't know this yet. but we know that the child was last seen alive at the home of a little playmate. okay? we know that police honed in on a home in that neighborhood and seized evidence. so one plus one equals two. and that's telling me, mike brooks, that that is the home where the alleged killer lived and that is somehow related to the little playmate where the girl was playing that day. i'm just putting -- i'm cobbling together facts, you know, that are out there. to me it makes sense. >> it makes perfect sense,

nancy. if you look at the map we were showing just a little while ago, it shows where the body was found. it shows her house. and it shows the house that -- where she was there with the little girl. >> i want to go to dr. carey peterson, internal medicine doctor at lenox hill hospital. doctor, she went missing on wednesday, her body was found two days later. she was in the elements. will we be able to determine cause of death? >> i think it will be extremely likely you'll be able to determine cause of death. and the fact she was very well concealed may actually help coroners figure this out. because being very well concealed to me means that you're being protected from the elements. rain, water, wind, even animals. so i think -- and also -- >> it's so hard for me to look at this little girl's picture, dr. terri, and hear you say -- >> it's devastating. it's horrific. and one other thing to mention. is that in a 48-hour period

there is decomposition going on but it's still internal. so if the skin is still intablth, so if there's any physical injuries such as god forbid a knife wound or strangulation, it will be very visible. >> out to the lines. barry in illinois. hi, barry. >> caller: hi, nancy. i just want to tell you i appreciate so much for everything you do for victims who can't speak for themselves. >> thank you. >> caller: and i also appreciate the way you love your two little kids, the way god intended for you to love them. >> i do. >> caller: and this breaks my heart over and over again when i watch your show. but we need to know what's going on out there and the question i was going to ask has already been answered, i guess, by the penalty. this little girl could be tried as an adult. but nancy, that's not enough. we need to get together as a nation and say hey, we're not going to take this anymore. we're not going to kill our kids, we're not going to mutilate their little bodies and destroy families. we've got to have some tougher penalties so people aren't so

apt to do this and then spend 20 years in jail and think, well, they're paying my rent, they're feeding me, we're paying their medical care. it's just not fair. >> have you ever had somebody go in and just reach inside you and pull your heart out? that's what it's like. i keep going back to my niece is scared of the dark.

we miss our little baby. she is our precious daughter. and we hope that this attention can help bring her back to our home. >> morgan harrington was somehow separated from her friends at an arena in charlottesville, virginia. she's a junior at virginia tech, very close to her family, calls home every day, and mom and dad say it is so out of character for her to just disappear with no contact. >> the group of friends that she went with are friends from middle school. you know, from what i understand, she went to the restroom, and they then get a

call from morgan that she was outside the arena. >> it is suspicious to me that she ended up outside the arena, and it makes me wonder if she saw someone she knew and walked out. >> people do come up missing. however, it is very, very unusual that we have not heard anything, either from her friends or from her family regarding her whereabouts. >> if anyone has seen morgan, either in a store or by the road after the concert, anyone that looks like the description of morgan, please notify the police. it would be very helpful to all of us. >> joining us tonight, morgan's parents, dr. dan harrington and jill harrington. to both of you, thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> thank you for having us. >> i understand that video emerged that appeared to be morgan. what do you make of it? >> yes. >> to you, dr. harrington. >> well, i think initially looking at the picture i

thought, gosh, this could be morgan and morgan's brother came in from new york and said he thought it was morgan. and the more i looked at it i thought no, no, i don't think it is. it gave us hope for a period of time, and then of course today we learned that that video was not morgan. >> where did the video come from, miss harrington? >> i believe in this it actually was forwarded to us from this station where we are right now. >> that's correct. one of the reporters here forwarded that film to me. >> now, was the outfit in the video -- i remember, miss harrington, you told me that she showed you several outfits and you helped her pick out the one. >> right. >> was this similar to that outfit? >> you know, it could have -- it looked like morgan. you know, maybe the hair was a little bit shorter. and it was a very similar outfit, but no black tights.

but you know, we were saying, well, maybe if it got really hot she took her tights off. >> right. >> so we thought -- our hearts leapt when we saw it on the computer. but we were split even between the three of us that know her. her brother said it's her, her dad said no, and i said i'm not sure. i wanted it to be so badly. >> plus it showed -- oh, man. you know, after my fiance's murder, i wanted to believe so, so much that there had been a mistake. and i know right now you're hanging on to every shred of hope. >> that's right. >> we're trying. >> stacey newman, tell me the latest in the investigation. >> nancy, this investigation is now turning to social networking sites in light of this video that you're seeing here on our air tonight. now that this video's been on facebook and youtube, cops are monitoring those social networking sites very closely, nancy, for photos, videos, any

postings that can help them find morgan harrington. >> joining me is tim martin, reporter wfir. what can you tell me? >> youtube playing a big role. and with this video police really hoping that would be the clue they needed but ultimately that just wasn't the case. they're getting a lot of tips right now. over the weekend police searched a hotel in the area after receiving a tip, but that turned up nothing. while doing a ground search they found clothing near the university but it wasn't morgan's. right now they're getting a lot of tips. unfortunately not a lot of answers. the good news, the reward continues to grow, now up to $150,000. >> i understand metallica has put in $50,000 into that. everyone, the tip line, 434-352-3467. look at this girl. she looks like a fairy princess. morgan harrington is 20 years old. she's a coed at virginia. 5'6", 120 pounds, blond hair, blue eyes, last seen at this

metallica concert. that arena, the john paul arena, holds 16,000 people. somebody knows where she is. somebody knows what happened to this girl. there's $100,000 riding on your tip. the tip line, 434-352-3467. back to special guests joining us, dr. dan harrington, his wife, jill harrington. these are morgan's mother and father. dr. harrington, you feel sure that foul play is involved. why? >> well, morgan is not the kind of person that would take off. she was really quite close to us. and in fact, the day that she went to the concert she had talked with -- she talked with me about meeting with me the next day to go over math in preparation for a test as well as to help her balance her checkbook. you know, morgan has an apartment that's beautiful in

blacksburg at virginia tech. you know, morgan, we're not monitoring her behavior at virginia tech. she could have friends and -- >> freedom. >> -- freedom that, you know, she doesn't have to run off to have freedom. and you know, this is not behavior that we've ever seen from morgan. i think she was taken. >> and miss harrington, based on the little bit that i've learned from you, i mean, if a 20-year-old is going through her wardrobe with you and you guys together are selecting an outfit for her, i mean, most 20-year-olds don't care about what their mom thinks about what they wear. i mean, their mom doesn't even know they're going to a concert, much less helping them pick out their clothes. miss harrington, it's my understanding that she may have told friends that she was outside -- she'd gone outside the arena, they wouldn't let her back in, and that she was okay, she might get a ride home with other people or they could meet up after the concert. what do you know about her telling her friends inside that

she might get a ride home? >> i know that she did tell them that she could get a ride home, is what we believe. i don't know what that means. i can't thinkmeans. i can't think that morgan would leave with someone she did not know. >> exactly, exactly. >> but kids think everyone is their friend. >> they do. they're so trusting. let's go out to the lines, bonnie, what is your question? >> caller: thanks for taking my call. glad bless you. what i would like to know, did morgan have a car? have they found it? >> good question, did she have a car? >> morgan's car was not at the arena. morgan drove to harrisonburg and shea drive in the friend's car to charlottesville. >> she's got a car, you know writ is, it's not involved.

lisa what is your question? >> caller: you're beautiful inside and out. however, morgan's friend's story doesn't add up to me. sit possible they know much more than they're tell sng have they thoroughly checked the door check guys at the arena? >> we're going to be back with morgan's parents in just a few moments.

there is a very empty place, a morgan-shaped place in our hearts, as well as our home right now. one of our children is missing. we want her back. >> joining us tonight, morgan's parents, desperately asking for your help. dr. dan harrington, gil harrington. quickly, to lisa, in michigan's question, do you believe her friends are holding out information? do you know with whether the

security guards at the doors have been questioned? >> i don't know if the security guards have been questioned or not. i don't think the girls are hiding anything. i think they really don't know. morgan went to the restroom by herself and for whatever reason, ended up outside the arena. think they're perplexed. the more important question is why did morgan feel she could get a ride afterwards rather than stage around until -- >> exactly. that suggested to me something that you have alluded to, you believe whoever she went with was a local. why do you say that? >> think charlottesville and central virginia is an area that is generally considered safe and, of course, the metallica

concert drew people from all over the east coast. this kind of thing happens all over the place. it's usually someone who knows the area, someone who knows the roads. it's not going to be someone driving through opportunity that decides to do this. >> that's an excellent analysis. these are the mother and father of morgan. won't you help us? look at her photo, morgan harrington. you heard her mother say please, please help us. let's stop and remember army specialest russell hercules jr. highly decorated. afghanistan campaign medical, iraq campaign medal.

widow, vicker to kra. children christopher and cadence. thanks to our guests. a special good night to georgia friends of the show. congratulations to michael mazzareillo, launching his own show. check your times and listings. i'll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp eastern. until then, good night, friend. tonight on "the joy behar show," he was the winner of the first season of jth "survivor." then he was the first winner to go to prison for tax evasion. and actor eric roberts joins me to try to put an end to the

practice of spankening our children. it's got to stop. all that coming up.

tonight, senate majority leader harry reid has put the public option back in the health care bill. is it because he cares about the flick or the public opinion polls? is it okay to spank a child? that depends on who you talk to. and a prime time exclusive. richard hatch. can he survive this interview? all this and more, starting right now.

people like martha stewart, leona helmsley have been there? prison that is. richard hatch spent 3 1/2 years behind bars for not paying taxes on his $1 million prize. >> the win toefr first sur vooier competition is -- rich. congratulatio congratulations, rich. congratulations. >> the angels sing. hatch says he's innocent and the subject of a witch hunt. richard hatch joins me for his first trooim prime time interview since leeing prison. thanks for coming and for

keeping your clothes on. >> my pleasure. >> what is the first thing you did when you got out of prison? >> i don't remember. i'm still in the fight of my life. i don't have the feeling that everybody thinks you might have getting released. i'm on supervised release. i'm under the burreau of prisons thumb. i am 100% innocent. it wasn't just the 3 1/2 years in jill. i just got put back in jail for doing an interview i had permission to do. >> you went to jail. did you think -- for 3 1/2 years, because you didn't pay taxes on the $1 million you got from winning "survivor." >> you say for that.

>> you didn't? you paid the tax? >> i paid whatever taxes were owed. there's a process in the irs. you fill out your tax returns and submit them. your job is to do that as accurately as you can. that's why i had accountants. to the day no, bill no, amendment no, assessment. >> they're not coming to get their money, i can keep the million dollars? >> better than that. the money was earned in malaysia. there's a complicated international piece. by contract and by law, that one was priored to have been paid before we left the island. >> what was going to pay that? >> the contract says cbs or seg.

>> what about the rest of the 85% of the $1 million. you had nit the bank, right? >> exactly. >> were you waiting, when are they coming to get me? >> i asked the irs. i have been asked since 202. we got a response in may of 28009. they've written a letter saying i am cooperative. >> i was reading you didn't pay for taxes on car. you were convicted in 2006 for not paying paxs on the $1 million. $327,000 as a co-host. money on a rental property. you don't pay your taxes. >> let me use numbers. this is prosecutorial

misconduct. >> did you pay the taxes? >> absolutely. >> what did they get you on? they had a whim, they didn't like you? >> yes. it's not a whim. discrimination is real. i'm not allowed to bl mar rid. >> that's separate from paying your taxes. >> sit. that's why, there's a process involve were the irs is supposed to assess you, look at what's happened, say, hey, no, we believe this. you should do that. >> after the fact? so in other words, you don't pay it, they're supposed to come find you? >> no, no no, . file your return, with a check. paid i don't know how much. a lot a lot. >> you're telling me something that's different than what i understand to be true. >> as does the rest of the pluck. >> why don't you sue them for putting you in jail by mistake?

>> we're working on it. i field the returns, paid my taxes. asked the irs. they did a civil inquiry, asked me questions about my return. i was cooperative. the former attorney general of rhode island, a corrupt man, who, for whatever reasons, discriminatory or political, stepped in and converted illegally that inquiry to a criminal prosecution. >> calling him corrupt is not a good idea. >> now he's trying to be governor. >> don't get yourself in worse trouble than you're in already. >> it's true. >> when you were on the island, where were you? borneo? >> borneo. >> you were known as a schemer. people didn't like you because you were a schemer. >> it's true. the game is called "survivor."

outwin, outlast,out play. i did it. a football player doesn't tell you, i'm going over here. they're trying to win the games based on the rules, which i did. >> you were a schemer. >> very much so. >> we have something, watch it. >> somebody's got go. i appreciate your vote, not against me. i would love to stay. i think it's been an interesting road to say the least. as it gets more and more real, down to these days, like some people may never know, we worked well together. think a have a responsibility for bringing the alliance together in the beginning. i would ask for your help, love you, sue. >> you're a little calculating. are you like that in real life?

>> i'm intelligent. i'm a bright guy. >> you don't seem stupid. >> thank you. it would be stupid not the pay the taxes. >> but stalin was smart. >> we drowned witches and they don't exist. let me tell cow about that. the clip you just showed showed me asking them for my vote. the people that voted for me are people i kicked off. they respected how i played the game. it was our public. this was the origin gnat show. the public didn't quite get it yet. they saw this thing that the media caricature continued to boost. >> i would say you have a reputation as being and s.o.b. >> i did, absolutely. >> you were on the "today" show. when you were released, you were on with matt or meredith?

>> matt came to my house. i got permission for him to be there. >> but you weren't supposed to do it. it was unapproved. >> it was approved in writing from the bureau of prisons. they said, we didn't know there would be two more people asking you questions than were there. they lied. >> listen to what you said in august. >> you have i lewded to me that you think because you're a ho homos homosexual that that implied to your case. >> i meant to state that definitively. >> okay, so what's the gay thing? >> when you select a jury, you can ask them questions during a process of voir dire.

he's discriminated against in the country, he just got married in canada because he's not allowed to be married in the united states. >> your married? where did you meet him? >> i met him ingentiargentina. we asked the judge if we could ask how the jurors felt about homosexuals. we were not allowed to ask. that's evidence of bias from the get go. the judge exhipted his full bias. >> why didn't your lawyer say something? >> i wasn't allowed to speak.

my accountant wasn't allowed to testify. we were not allowed to do all kinds of things that in my final appeal, i'm asking the new judge, william smith of rhode island, to look at. i'm hopeful he'll look at the bigger picture to see there's no crime. >> i don't know if you're supposed to be out doing this interview. i could be aiding and abetting a criminal. >> you could. >> if they ask, you say you wanted to come. i'll be back with more richard hatch, right after this.

i don't know any taxes. to this day, i've never, ever not paid any tax that i have ode. i have always paid my taxes, always field my returns. and i did in this case. >> that was you, on "access

hollywood." i'm back with richard hatch. you told nbc's "today" show about being in solitary. >> that was the worst. being in solitary confinement, without anyone telling me why i'm there. it's an awful cell. >> a cement cell? >> kill a fashig on the back ofe goor. it's an awful place to be. >> is sheriff is fighting back and call youg a stranger to the truth. how do you respond? >> he's a liar. in that same article where he spod

sprond responded, he said, i refused to get pants on. i answered the door in my underwear. >> do you never wear pants? i looked this up, leona helmsley was in prison for 18 months. wesley snipes, three years for not playing 15 $15 million in taxes. willie nelson, $16 million, he's never spent time in jail. you had bad lawyers i think. >> the system has a problem. when people are discriminated against, a's have been. this is a witch hunt. there's nothing you can do, or little. i'm still fighting. >> well, wesley snipes could say it was because he was black. people with claim anything.

>> i agree. they have to present evidence. i visit. it's in the record, it's undeniable. >> for solitary confinement, that's a little rough. even for a big guy like you. it's a little safer in there if you get my drift. >> well, that may not be a good thing. >> how come you couldn't scheme your way out of prison? >> they bested me. they bested me. when the system come downdown, as it has with me. i've never been in trouble. >> always a good boy? >> well, so, they say. there's no reason for any of what they have done to me. it hasn't served anyone. finding the truth, figuring out how this is k happen to somebody is something i'm hoping, eric holder, this attorney general will do. >> let's talk about your time in prison. i want to hear what happened

there? did the other criminals recognize you. >> they did. >> was that a good thing or bad? >>. >> both. >> well white collar crime is not macho. >> true. there's a fascinating thing. people think i'm going to be a cocky, egotistical, arrogant thing. when they meet me, they find out i'm a regular guy. they come to me with a defensi e defensivene defensiveness. >> did yoe you see the show "oz "? >> we can do that here. i'm naked less than 1% of the time. i would like to be naked all of the time.

that would be smarter in this 100-degree weather. >> rich is naked. >> is he naked? he walks around naked quite a bit. think it bugs the guys. >> it's kind of childish, immature. >> your life, my life, different things. who cares? >> levi johnston, sarah palin's son-in-law is posing in "playboy." did you know that? >> i wonder if they'll do pairs. >> that sounds like an inside gay thing i know nothing about. >> you know that one. >> do you have any tips? that's wrong to say that. sorry, i made a mistake there. in the next segment. we're going to take break and come back. i want you to hear some internet fan questions. people are interested in you.

i want you to hear this. don't go way. we'll be right back with richard hatch.

i think it's ironic that she's trying to stay on the board and she's not in danger of getting voted off. kelly, on the other hand, has no idea she's leaving this evening. >> i'm back with richard hatch, the first winner of "survivor." we're a little show, we're building. >> you have a huge audience, we love you, it's going to be great. thrilled to be on. >> we have internet fan questions. they sent us these. first of all, was the food worse

in jail or the island? >> way, way, way worse in jail. way worse. seriously. >> didn't you eat bugs and rodents? >> i didn't need to. i was the one that caught fish. i was the only one that could catch fish. i fed my team. >> did you matches to cook? >> no. >> you ate the fish raw? >> we got fire a little ways down and cooked it. we laid it on the sticks. >> elisabeth said she ate bugs. >> that was a past survivor, one that came later. she's not a real survivor. >> she is, she survived "the view." >> that's true. >> how did you spend your time in prison. you always hair that people are raping each other. >> there is sex happening in prison. >> sex or rape? >> i think rape as well. there are initiatives in the

prisons. more of it happens in maximum security facilities than minimum security facilities. the most sex that takes place is among straight guys. i don't know how to explain that. >> there must be more straight guys in prison any way than gay guys. straight guys are suddenly attracted in prison. >> it's weird. i don't know why it happens but it did. >> how did being on "survivor" prepare you to be in prison? >> i don't think anything can prepare you. >> there's no other way to go but the laugh now. >> i'm still nit, still fighting. i don't know. >> if you were discriminated against, you might have a lawsuit in, no? >> i do. >> you need to make money.

>> i'm hoping to get back on radio. for now, i'm fighting to be exonerated. afterwards, if people responsible for what happened that i can make accountable,ly. >> maybe you can go on "dancing with the felons "? >> maybe the "amazing race." >> george bush is being motivational speaking. there's room for everyone if george bush, the most inarticulate president we have had -- >> i agree. i did that for 15 years. >> i wish you luck. i still say you should have paid your taxes, though you say you did. >> oh, my god, at least you said that. >> i don't quite get it. >> the record will show i paid them. when they tell me i wiowe more,

will. >> the record shows he took the blows. >> hmm.

as harry reid put the public option back on the table, nancy pelosi says we need to rename the option as something more friendly. joining us is ben stein and gail collins, a new york times columnist. ben and gail, welcome to the show. >> honored be here. >> what should they call it? >> how about vampira, princess

of blood? >> meaning what? >> it will suck people dry. >> it will be only for people who are really poor, right? people who -- >> no, because they need a full-time national gestapo from joining in. everyone who can will sneak over the border and try to get in, will kill the smurns companies. i'm not posed to everyone having government subsidized health insurance. why not give dhoex indigents or people that can't afford it and let them buy private insurance. >> what do you think? >> the theories that government is bad, government is incompetent, if they have a program, lit lead everyone to wreck and ruin.

it's there to keep the insurance companies honest. >> here's harry reid laying out his plan. >> the best way to move forward is to include a public option with an opt out option for states. the states can term determine in the option works for hem or will have the ability to opt out. >> is this a play by reid to say, hey, i tried something. he's up for re-election. sit really going to happen or is he going to say, see, i tried? >> it's not a terrible option. why are we saying that the insurance companies are thieves. if they were, they would be making more money than they are. they're not wildly popular. >> i think the ceos make lots op

of money. >> i think they're paid pen nis compared to wall street. >> i don't understand what the problem soift. i'm layperson. >> if they can police it. >> why can't they? they police a lot of other things. if you don't qualify for the public option, you don't get it? why is the republican party so afraid of competition? >> they're afraid of subsidized competition. i feel like i'm stealing gail's time. >> the reason you need a public option is because there are a number of states in which there is only one insurance company. there is not competition in so many states out there. >> there's one state that has a ma majority with one insurance company. that's alabama. that is highly questionable of

whether or not they have a monopo monopoly. can they control for fraud in welfare, medicare, medicaid? what makes them think they can control this? >> it's not a perfect system. but if you're a very poor person, you need medicaid, you have to get it. >> i agree. think the government should take people really really poor, have them show proof of citizen ship, give them a check to get plan from a private insurer. >> is the t state? >> the state of the united states of america. it would give people a check to buy private insurance. >> isn't that the same thing? that's the tail wagging the dog. >> no, a public option would be a giant, supersubs diszed insurance company that would drive the private companies out of business and would give the government way to have total control. >> why does it drive the other

insurance companies out of business? >> because you or i, we can apply for this erks sneak in with some careless bureaucrat, get this that, more and more of those people will join the public option and will be drand out of the private system. >> come on. >> why do you say that? you just said there's a lot of fraud. >> it's not going to be a perfect plan. it gives some people the option to come into the system. >> i don't expect a perfect plan. i would like plan that guaran e guarantees people's health but does not give the government control of this. i have never had a bad -- i'm 64 years old. i've livered a lot longer than you, have i never had a big problem with a insurance company doing any questionable to me. i'm not sure why people are so

mad at the insurance companies, by and large, they seem to do a good job. >> not everybody. the pre-existing conditions. they have to fix that. >> they have to raise the pleem yums on everybody. it's fine if they want to cover all the pre-existing conditions. it will mean higher premiums for everyone. >> you to have anything to add? >> i'm enjoying watching you. feel free to talk among yourselves. >> i kept saying it wanted you to have a turn. >> a lot of this is about the states having control. think that's a bad idea. you know the red states are going to say no, it's creeping socialism. >> it's got cover everybody or it's not going cover everybody. i would like to see everybody cover. in 1973, i wrote a speech about

a health care plan. we take the people that are too poor to have health care insurance, it was simple. >> it's a handout. why would you prefer a handout to a government-run option? >> because the government plan, in order the make the public option work, and in order keep the whole thing so called budget neutral is going to involve bending the curve, getting the the face of everybody patient and doctor and controlling ways to play the doctors less. >> 57% of americans favor the public option. americans want it. >> you don't have 50% of the public on. you have me and gail on. >> what do you say to all those people? it's too batd about you? >> i say we're going give you insurance. you're going get a check and go out and buy insurance. >> every year you have to keep

giving checks to people. there's no employment in the country, nothing's going up. >> it's going cost money to have them have medical insurance, too. >> dwhoi republicans fear big government so much? >> the fear is they're going to control our lives. freedom is the goal of america. freedom is the goal of america. >> fdr had a huge government. >> it's tiny compared to what it is now. >> if it wasn't for him, would not have the social security. >> there's an insistence that in always been a private enter prize thing. you just can't have government taking care of this, offering you a one-stop health care plan been we have to bring in the shurks. they have a right to fight back and forth.

all of the different layers, the medicare health and drug costs would be much lower if we didn't have the layers thing to make sure that the pharmacies get to compete, get to sell things. it's got to be the private market. you're making things inefficient. >> you're citing one tiny issue. you're saying all the of it is a problem. that's one area. under the bush administration, they said the government could not bargain about the price of drugs. they do require generics. they're trying to be more i fesht is a rather bold assert n assertion. >> that's what we're in for. >> if we don't get health care reform this time, we won't visit in our lifetimes. if it does fail who is to blame,

obama or congress? >> it won't fail. they'll get a bill through. >> to me, without the public option you have nothing. you have done nothing. >> what about if we take the indigents and give them a check -- >> i know, the check, the check. i don't know if that's going work. up next, a spanking debate, i'm going spank you later. request actor eric roberts, in just a bit.

some people think that if you spank a child, he'll learn. if you water board him, will he become a genius?

in 2009, is corporal punishment okay? joining me is eric roberts, star and actor in the new series on star "crash." and supporter of the national child project. why are you forspanking a child, peter? >> peernts need so have an array of disciplinary tools to them. spanking should not been the first resort, it should be a tool. it can be effective to reinfo e reinforcing some tools, particularly when a child is before defiant. most people know the difference between spanking and abuse and are able to draw that line. and ordinary spanking is not harm to feel children. it can be useful to parents.

>> what do you think about that? >> i'm devastated by his enjoyment of that. here's what it would be like. it's like someone is 15 feet ta tall, weighting over 70 pounds hit you for any reason. that's how much bigger you are than a child. you're not supposed to hit an adult. >> if a child said, you're a whore, they would get swatted. >> why is hat okay? >> parent is in a position of authority. the same way it's okay for the police to use force in ways that an ordinary civilian is not. i think kids understand that about their paints. >> why do you want your children

to perceive you as the police department? >> because i'm in a position of authority and i want them to understand that they have an obligation to obey what i tell them. >> if you give permission to some people to hit their kids at any level, that's a slippery slope towards beats for some people. you're a pastor. i don't think that's a good idea for you to put that out there. >> good for you, joy. >> i've been to a session at a church with a speaker taught the people there to use spanking as a loving form of discipline. certainly, more extreme forms of physical punishment can get out of hand. there's no evidence that most parnlts that use disciplinary spanking are tempted to go beyond that and become abusive.

>> jump in there, eric. >> peter, we're discussing what i call the right to bear hands. who needs protection more than anyone else in the world? children and animals. the rule is black and white. an adult cannot touch another adult legally. >> let me throw in a study from duke university. that said that spanking children when they are very young, i guess a 1 year-old, can slow their intellectual development and slow their development as they get older. why would you want to do that? >> 1 year old is too on young. >> how about 2? >> the best research says that spanking is most effect withed to lers aged 2 to 6.

over about 10 years old, under 15 months, it's not effective. >> they'll hit you back when they're 10. >> i have two great books for you. the natural child, which i recommend the audio version of because my stepson reads it. and the other one is alice miller, for your own good. she writes about the hidel cruelty in child rearing and the roots of violence. my wife and i have an idea. peace through parenting. if you never humiliated, hurt, or scared a child there would be no war. think about it. if children think they're in danger of being hurt, they grow up feeling endangered. grow up being terrorized at all,

they will keep a terrorist in their life. you turn this against yourself. >> the best research shows that the strongest determinant of how churn turn out is not use of one method. it's the parent's overall parenting style. some parents are too authoritarian. some are too permissive. don't have enough structure and correction. the ideal parents style is the authoritative style that has a balance between correction and loving nurture and spanking can be an effective tool within that style of parenting. >> that's fine. but hitting is not something you do to anyone that you respect. kids don't learn respect that way. >> how do you respond to the

point i just made that it's making kids dumber? what do you say to that? >> there's a problem with the research that is usually is not actually research on spanking. it's mostly resource on corporal punishment where the researchers will lump together ordinary disciplinary spanking with beating, whipping, snapping -- >> you don't know how far a person is going to go. >> most parents don't do those things. >> the ones who are sadistic, you're giving them permission in a certain way. >> in fact, sometimes it's more abusive -- children can be more abused veshlgly when the parent is so frustrated -- >> that's just as bad. there are alternatives to treating children like they're slaves. >> you may not hit a child in a rage but you end up giving permission to somebody who is going to hit a child in a rage. that's not cool, pal. >> let's face it.

before we go, the only spanking we approve of is between a congressman and a page. stick around. more in a minute.

okay. we're back with actor iric roberts and peter sprigs. university of north carolina study says mothers who spank their children are three times more likely to use harsher forms of punishment than those whose children were not spanked. it is a slippery slope, peter, whether you like to admit that or not, it happens. >> well, but studies, surveys of parental behavior show about 90% of all american parents have used spanking on their children.

only about 1% of parents have actually abused their children. so -- >> they're not going admit it. >> not many people go down that slippery slope. >> peter, you're being naive if you think people are going to come out and say i beat the crap out of my kid. they're not going to say it. >> no. i'm talking about the -- in fact, in sweden after they banned spanking the rates of child abuse went up and the rates of teen violence went up. >> i would have to see those numbers, peter. i don't know that that's probably true. >> also, that's because people are not treated for the craziness they have. maybe there are other ways to treat your children besides either spanking or beating or hitting or whatever. there are other ways to raise a child. somebody said something very interesting to me the other day on this show. it was richard beldser. there was a study done of people who saved jews during the holocaust and the one thing they all had in common -- none of them were ever hit or spanked by

their parents which meant that they were not scared. they were not scared to save another human being. as a pastor i would think you would embrace such a concept. of being kind to other people and especially your own children. >> well, i mean, people -- >> what a great understanding. >> i've never heard of that study, but studies have shown that it is an effective form of discipline for a loves parent to use. >> okay, peter, you have to do us all a favor and get alice miller's "for your own good" and jan hunt's "the natural child." >> one thing she says in the book is apply the golden rule. do unto your child as you and others would do unto you. >> if i do something wrong i expect to be corrected. now, i'm not -- >> i'm going to come over there and smack you right now. >> i'm old enough i can responds to other forms of correction.

a child who's 2, 3, 4, 5 years old does not have the cognitive ability to respond to the kind of -- >> you're so much bigger than a 5-year-old child. >> you've obviously never spent much time with small children. they're very aware. >> i am a parent. i am a father, and -- now, i will say this. not every child needs to be spanked. children have different personalities, and some children are particularly compliant, but other children are more strong willed. they're more defiant and for those children spanking may be the most -- >> what about giving them a time-out? what about saying, you can't go to the dance, even though they're 2 years old? >> what will you do if they don't go in time-out? studies have actually shown that if you spank them, then they will comply with time-out in the future and then you won't have to spank them. >> this is an unwinnable war. thank you anyway for coming on the show, peter.

i know it wasn't that easy to do with the two of us against you. peter, eric, thanks for joining me tonight. thank you for watching. good night, everybody.

breaking news tonight. live to the heartland. a 9-year-old little missouri girl plays with a little friend, walks home, still daylight, through her own neighborhood. no more than a quarter mile. that's only about 1,000 feet. she never makes it home. tonight, the massive search for 9-year-old elizabeth olton comes to an end. her body found in a heavily wooded area just houses away from her own home. police converge on one of those homes, the last known sighting of the 9-year-old alive. bombshell tonight.

a murder suspect in custody. no, not one of the dozens of registered sex offenders in the area. not a vagrant, not an escapee, not a parolee. suspect is a 15-year-old girl. >> have you ever had somebody go in and reach inside you and pull your heart out? that's what it's like. >> breaking news in the case of elizabeth olten who was found in murdered in a heavily wooded area behind her home. a teen suspect arrested in the murder of elizabeth is a 15-year-old girl. >> a 15-year-old committed murder in the first degree. >> the fact that this juvenile didn't immediately call in and say that there was an accident leads me to think that this was something way more nefarious than that. >> police say the teen suspect led them to elizabeth's body last week. the body was found very well concealed in an area where searchers were looking for her. >> we had been through that

area, actually more than once. the body was very well concealed. >> neighbors also tell us that the friend's home where elizabeth was last seen was searched shortly after the body was found friday. >> when these children are indeed attacked or abducted, they usually are dead within 30 minutes to an hour. >> a hearing will be held next month to determine if the suspect will be charged as an adult or juvenile. prosecutors say the sheriff's office requests that the suspect be charged with first-degree murder, indicates they believe the crime was planned. and tonight, a beautiful young virginia tech co-ed keeps tickets to a metallica concert for six months taped up on the fridge. goes to the concert with all her friends. just before the band takes the stage she goes missing from a packed arena, holding 16,000 people. and nobody knows what happened? found in the parking lot -- her purse and cell phone battery

removed. breaking tonight. grainy concert video emerges of a girl fitting morgan's description. is it morgan? tonight with us live taking your calls, morgan's parents. >> it's grainy video posted on youtube, but some people think the girl in it fits the description of morgan harrington. here's what looks like the same girl from a different angle. we sat down with harrington's dad after he found out about the videos. he says the girl in the video does look similar to his daughter. >> looks like it could be morgan. it's fairly far away, you know, and lots of moving images. but you know, it -- you know, the one thing that doesn't go with it is morgan left with tights on. i just can't remember the timeline of where things are as to when they took the stage and whether morgan was still in the

building or could she have gotten back in the building? >> at the time morgan was at the concert she was wearing a black t-shirt that had the words "pan era" written across it. she was also wearing black knee-high boots, black tights, and a black miniskirt. >> dan and jill harrington say the only way to get their daughter back is information, whether it's videos like this or a detail you may think is insignificant. they say it could be just the piece that connects this puzzle. >> if morgan's out there and hears us, please come home. and if someone has morgan, please let her come home safely. good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. live to the heartland. a 9-year-old missouri girl plays with a little friend, walks home, still daylight, through her own neighborhood. it's only about 1,000 feet.

she never makes it home. tonight the search for 9-year-old elizabeth olten comes to an end. her body found in a heavily wooded area just houses from her own home. bombshell tonight. a murder suspect in custody. it's a 15-year-old girl. >> stunning developments today in the case of 9-year-old elizabeth olten, found murdered in a heavily wooded area behind her home. multiple reports as well as neighbors claim the teen suspect, arrested in the murder of elizabeth, is a 15-year-old girl. >> we came into possession of some written documents. the results of those documents gave us a person of interest. after questioning that individual we were taken to the site where the body was found. >> police will not give details on the teen but do say the suspect led them to elizabeth's body, which was found very well concealed.

>> you know, when you have a small body, it's amazing how hidden they can get. and the second thing is the body may have been brought back after that area was searched. >> meanwhile, moments after the body was found, neighbors say authorities converged on the friend's home where elizabeth was last seen. >> this wasn't a game of hide and go seek gone wrong, that this was actually something ridiculously more serious than that. we're going to be looking at some very, very serious charges. >> a hearing will be held to determine if the suspect will face charges as an adult or minor. police have asked the d.a.'s office to charge the teen with first-degree murder. >> she'd be eligible for what we call dual jurisdiction. if she is eligible for dual jurisdiction she would be transferred to the temporary custody of the division of youth services, where they would provide her treatment and services. >> straight out to ladd egan, news director and anchor with krcg. a 15-year-old girl is the murder suspect? not just murder.

premeditated malice murder one suspect. this was planned? ladd, please tell me i'm wrong. >> you're absolutely right. the sheriff wants first-degree murder charges. which he plainly says this was something that was planned. he says that they have written evidence and they've also talked with this 15-year-old girl and there was obviously some sort of an interview then she walked them into the woods and showed them where the body -- and he said the body was very well concealed. >> okay, ladd -- with me ladd egan with krcg. i don't know how well a 15-year-old girl could conceal a body from detectives, searchers, canine dogs, cadaver dogs, bloodhounds. you know, i need to hear more about this well-concealed body because i find that very hard to believe. but i want to get back to what you just said. you said written evidence. now, it's my understanding, ladd egan, that an anonymous letter

had been sent to police. but you're saying writing. are you talking about the letter, or are you talking about perhaps the 15-year-old girl's diary? >> i asked the sheriff that. i said, you know, is there a letter and is there also other written evidence? and he said now that this case is turned over to juvenile authorities he cannot talk anymore and he would not say if there are two separate things. i listened closely to the press conference over the weekend, and they started out talking about a letter that they received. that led them to the juvenile. and then you know, the juvenile led them to the body. but then he also brought up later that they issued the charges, or you know, they want to file these charges of first-degree murder because of written evidence. so it's unclear if there's other charges. >> something in that written evidence, be it -- i'm saying there may be a letter from someone that knew what happened. that i would guess, i would put money on the 15-year-old blabbed to. but when you say written

evidence, that tells me that this girl was keeping a diary and in that diary she said enough that told cops this was premeditated. and remember, everybody, premeditation does not necessarily mean a long, drawnout plan such as a poisoning by arsenic over time. malice, or premeditation, can be formed in the blink of an eye, in the snap of a finger, the time it takes you to raise a gun and pull the trigger. that's time under the law for premeditation to be formed. we are taking your calls live. out to patricia in maryland. hi, patricia. >> caller: hi, nancy. i just want to tell you i love you and i love everything you do for everybody. and my question is where are the parents? >> of the -- where are the parents of the little girl, the 9-year-old or of the 15-year-old -- >> caller: no, the parents of the 15-year-old. >> yeah, where are the parents, ladd egan? what can you tell me about that? where were they when all this was going down? >> caller: well, we don't know the name of the girl.

the court authorities today kept on referring to her as a girl. i have sources -- very good sources that have talked to me. it's just we don't know how to get ahead of ourselves when they haven't released her name. we have heard that -- >> wait a minute. you don't know her name? i know her name. i'm not going to say her name because she's a juvenile. but her name is out there. >> i, as well, know her name. and i am told that she does not live with her parents, that she is cared for by other family members. >> well, then, where were they? if they're caring for her, as you said, how was she able, assuming the allegations are true, to do this crime? and let me back it up a minute. with me ladd egan from krcg, joining us, jefferson city, missouri. this little girl, a 9-year-old little girl, minding her own business, coming home from school -- rupa mikkilineni, bring us up to date with the facts. take it from the beginning. what happened? >> here's what we know, nancy. she disappeared wednesday, when she was playing at a neighbor -- a friend's house. she was supposed to walk home.

it was just a quarter of a mile walk back to her house. she didn't show up. 7:00 when she didn't show up the parents called the police. >> back it up. what time was she playing with the little friend? according to my sources, it was still daylight when she went to get -- walk home. >> that's right. about 6:15, still daylight. >> okay. >> so afterwards the police were called. there was a neighborhood search. hundreds of people searching for her for two days. >> hold on. don't mean to interrupt but i just want to clarify. she goes missing around 6:15. the parents call cops around 7:00, right? >> that's right. >> go ahead. >> hundreds of people searching for the next two days, dogs searching. they found cell phone pings in the area. so they knew the cell phone wasn't very far from the area, the neighborhood where she was last seen. and then they got this anonymous tip. either it was a letter. >> again, we're unsure this written evidence the sheriff was talking about. and then immediately afterward this led them to the 15-year-old suspect, who then led them to the body. >> look at this little girl. this little girl, elizabeth

olten, just 9 years old, playing in her own neighborhood. the parents, her parents did everything right. they knew where she was. walking home about 1,000 feet, she goes missing. the search has ended. elizabeth is dead and in custody a 15-year-old girl, booked on murder one. >> she's just a baby. her mom -- i mean, she's a wreck. i mean, she's like i am. and her dad's a wreck.

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bar," mondays at 10:00 on tnt. and pick up nancy's new book, "the eleventh victim," available now wherever books are sold. the sheriff said that they received a handwritten note, and he wouldn't elaborate on if someone brought it to them or they found it. and he said that note led them to find this juvenile and then it was that juvenile who led them to the body out in the woods. they even said they went over this area twice and didn't come across the body until this juvenile led them to the body. >> we had been through that area, actually more than once. the body was very well concealed. >> apparently, elizabeth knew this person. >> a heartbreaking end in the search for 9-year-old elizabeth olten. little elizabeth vanishes walking alone just a short distance from her own home. and she never makes it. >> she's just a baby. she does not deserve this. her family does not deserve this.

>> we're not going to be able to spend a great deal on it other than to tell you that the person that led us to this is also a juvenile. >> that's right. the suspect behind bars tonight is not a parolee or an escapee or one of the dozens of registered sex offenders that live in the area. it's a 15-year-old girl. we are taking your calls live, but right now i want to go to a very special guest joining us. vicki olten. this is little elizabeth's aunt. she is joining us from russellville, missouri. miss olten, i thought i knew everything about being a crime victim when my fiance was murdered before our wedding, but i cannot imagine losing john david or lucy. how are the parents? how are her parents tonight?

>> they're a wreck. i haven't heard from her dad today. so i can't imagine how he's doing right now. i know her mom's a wreck. >> you know, just hearing the facts, miss olten, i can hardly take it in. she only had about 1,000 feet to walk. 1,000 feet to get home from her friend's house. and just the shock of a 15-year-old neighbor girl being the suspect. i know the family is stunned. >> it just -- it's so unreal. >> when did you first discover that elizabeth was missing? >> her oldest sister called me about 7:00 and told me they couldn't find her and that they were out looking for her, that

while she was headed to her mother's house and then they went up to the other house where she was supposed to be playing and they said she wasn't there. >> so she started walking home at 6:15. 7:00 the parents were already on the phone with police. the parents did everything right. they knew where she was. she was right there in the neighborhood. just a few houses down. that's why -- i was so dumbfounded when i found out the little girl's body was right there. i don't understand how police didn't find it. now, they keep telling me the child was -- the body was so well concealed. how could a 15-year-old girl trick searchers, police, canine dogs? how did she hide elizabeth? >> i'd like to know that, myself. >> tell me about elizabeth. in those photos, her personality

just beams out of the photos. >> well, when you see that morning sun pop over the mountain, that's what she was. she was sunshine, and you can't help but love her. i mean, she was ornery, she was picking on her brother in this picture you're showing now, here at my house, and it was funny. you just had to be here. >> with me is elizabeth's aunt, vicki olten. we are taking your calls. her parents have received the news, as you are, that a suspect is in custody. it's a 15-year-old neighbor girl, a 15-year-old girl, charged with premeditated murder one. we are taking your calls live. to tonight's case alert. finally, an arrest and murder charge in the stabbing death of an all-american college football

star, jasper howard, university of connecticut. howard's life cut short at a college dance. after an extensive investigation, hundreds of interviews, three suspects who are not uconn students in custody. one facing murder charges. >> police have arrested the following -- john w. lomax iii, age 21, of bloomfield, connecticut, on the charge of murder and the second charge of conspiracy to commit assault in the first degree.

breaking news in the case of

9-year-old elizabeth olten, who was found murdered in a heavily wooded area behind her home. multiple reports say the teen suspect arrested in the murder of elizabeth is a 15-year-old girl. police say the teen suspect led them to elizabeth's body -- >> if she's eligible for what we call dual jurisdiction, if she is eligible for dual jurisdiction she would be transferred to the temporary custody division of youth services where they would provide her treatment and services. >> treatment? this is a 15-year-old girl. when that speaker was referring to dual jurisdiction, she's talking about this child could be treated as a juvenile, which means even if she got the max, she could walk free in six years at age 21, or will she be treated as an adult? rupa, when will that decision be made? she going to be bound over to be treated as an adult? >> this decision's going to be made on november 18th. this is the certification hearing. tomorrow she's going to be in court for a detention hearing,

which will determine whether she will await her days until the 18th either at home or remain in the detention facility. >> what? they may let her out tomorrow? did i -- did you just say that? >> there's going to be a discussion about that tomorrow at the hearing. >> with who? who's going to be in on that discussion? >> we know she will be appearing with her attorney. we know that the juvenile court will be hearing arguments. >> so it's going to be before a juvenile judge? >> yes. >> okay. let's unleash the lawyers. susan moss, new york. raymond giudice, defense attorney, atlanta. joe lawless, defense attorney, author of "prosecutorial misconduct" joining us out of the philadelphia jurisdiction. sue moss, i'm scared. have you ever known a juvenile judge that was any more harsh than, say, a social worker? they want to sit around a little table and tell the juvenile to write an essay about why they did a bad thing, and then they can go home and have a cookie. i'm not kidding. i practiced in juvenile court

before i got to big court, and that's the mentality there. >> if she is sent home to freely roam -- >> i'll bust a gasket. >> -- then lady justice must be taking a nap. it's absolutely ridiculous. because the reality is if this crime is premeditated she's going to be doing some adult time. you look at the seriousness of the case, the fact that it resulted in death. this kid is not going to be prosecuted in a juvenile hall but in real adult jail, and i think she's going to spend a lot of time there.

as the days grew longer and the search effort came up empty, everyone dreaded the news. >> we came into the possession of some written documents. the results of those documents gave us a person of interest. after questioning that individual, we were taken to the site where the body was found. >> with 9-year-old elizabeth olten's body came the formal charge. >> a 15-year-old committed the offense of murder in the first degree.

>> stringent missouri juvenile laws protect most information in the case. details, including the suspect's gender and any known relationship remains unknown. more than 1,000 volunteers and officials aided in the search, but the sense woodland and hilly terrain complicated efforts. >> we have been through that area, actually more than once. the body was very well concealed. >> we are taking your calls live. out to mike brooks, former fed with the fbi. what do you make of it, mike? >> well, nancy, you know, they're saying it was very well concealed. this is an extremely rural, very wooded area. now, you know, they said they went through there with dogs. again, keep in mind, nancy, dogs are only a tool. they said the first time they went through it was raining. usually, rain is pretty good because the air is more dense. but there again, if this girl, this 15-year-old planned this out, she could have concealed this body. >> to marc klaas, president and founder of klaaskids foundation,

i just don't know how cadaver dogs and bloodhounds could have missed this. plus, we also know now that the body was not far away from her cell phone. the little girl even had a cell phone. marc klaas, she was doing -- the mommy made sure she did everything right. she had a cell phone. she was only a few houses away. 1,000 feet, for pete's sake. >> yeah, it's -- this is a brutal, brutal situation. but before i get into that too much, i would like to offer my condolence to her family. this is just a terrible experience that they're going through. nancy, given -- >> you know what, marc? just pause. >> sure. >> you're right. everybody else is hashing this through, talking about the facts and the evidence, and it's easy to forget that right now there is a family that is devastated, their hearts are broken, they can't even take in that their daughter is gone, their little girl is gone. it's over. >> absolutely. >> all your hopes, all your dreams, all your love, it's over.

and behind bars is a 15-year-old girl. >> given time and circumstance, a killer will do everything possible to cover up their crime. and that includes disposing of the body. remember, caylee anthony was only a few hundred yards from her home, and it took many months to find her. remember, just last week the little girl, somer thompson, her killer tried to dispose of her by dumping her in a landfill. so i think we have to give a little bit of -- we have to give a little bit of credit to the authorities, not for the amber alert they didn't issue when they should have, but for being diligent and ultimately finding the little girl's body. >> you know what? that's a good point. because good police work, not forensic tools, solved this case. we are taking your calls live. back to the lawyers. raymond giudice, joe lawless. okay, ray, you know how juvenile

bind-overs work. the child, as they're called in the law, this is by no means a child, she's a 15-year-old, will be at a hearing tomorrow to determine whether she stays behind bars, which i predict she will -- >> right. i agree. >> and you know, no judge in his or her right mind is going to let an alleged killer, a baby killer, out from behind bars. but then the big question is will she be treated as an adult? as an adult she can get life without parole. >> let me tell you what i would be looking for if i was her counsel. i would gather every single medical record from this 15-year-old from the day she was born -- >> there you go. >> wait a second. wait a second. let me tell what you i'm going to do. >> never ceases to amaze me -- >> get all of her school grades. pretesting. i want to give that judge every piece of information so i can do everything i can as her lawyer, not as the prosecutor, to keep her in the juvenile court. that's my job. >> hey. >> get a prosecutor to do the other job. >> just because you drag the word out does not make it any more significant.

so my question is what do you hope her grades, her school grades are going to tell a judge? >> i want to look for a pattern of this child either having psychological or inability to comprehend the seriousness of the crime. we don't know. a simple iq test could make it so this child, this 15-year-old girl, does not have the sufficient competency, intellectual competency to stand trial as an adult. it could be that simple, nancy. >> lawless? >> nancy, the only thing we know about this child is she's not living with her parents, she's living with other family members, which suggests a living condition that could have impact on her background. we don't know the nature of the crime other than the fact it was a horrible, tragic killing. we don't know -- we -- >> put lawless up. >> we know nothing about the child. >> put him up. i know this much. it's premeditated according to police and -- >> that's what -- >> i'd like to finish. and according to our sources it's from a diary.

so this child that you're referring to that has all these mental problems keeps a diary, a well-written diary with enough detail to clue cops in about what's happening. but let's go to the authority, dr. bethany marshall, psychoanalyst and author of "deal breakers," joining us out of the new york studio. bethany, weigh in. >> nancy, the fact she would in a diary and then possibly told another friend who then told police speaks volumes. and what it tells me is there was a fondness for aggression. whether teens plan to commit violence and they want to do it and they fixate on it, they write about it. we saw this with the columbine killers. we saw this with casey anthony. we see this with school shooters. and usually the mindset of the killer is there is a preoccupation with wreaking vengeance and seeking harm and rendering the victims into a very helpless state. so in this case it's violence for the sake of violence. it's not to cover up another crime like child molestation.

it's not to kill a child because they took your possession like a pair of sneakers or something like that. it's usually correlated with parental aggression, parental brutality, and then carrying that out on a helpless victim. >> and this is what else i can deduce. i don't know this yet, but we know that the child was last seen alive at the home of a little playmate. okay? we know that police honed in on a home in that neighborhood and seized evidence. so one plus one equals two. and that's telling me, mike brooks, that that is the home where the alleged killer lived and that is somehow related to the little playmate where the girl was playing that day. i'm just putting -- i'm cobbling together facts, you know, that are out there. to me it makes sense. >> it makes perfect sense, nancy. if you look at the map we were showing just a little while ago, it shows where the body was

found. it shows her house. and it shows the house that -- where she was there with the little girl. >> i want to go to dr. carey peterson, internal medicine doctor at lenox hill hospital. dr. peterson, she went missing on wednesday. her body was found two days later. she was in the elements. will we be able to determine cause of death? >> i think it will be extremely likely you'll be able to determine cause of death. and the fact she was very well concealed may actually help coroners figure this out. because being very well concealed, to me, means that you're being protected from the elements. rain, water, wind, even animals. so i think -- and also -- >> it's so hard for me to look at this little girl's picture, doctor and hear you say -- >> it's devastating. it's horrific. and one other thing to mention. is that in a 48-hour period

there is decomposition going on but it's still internal. so the skin is still intact. so if there's any physical injuries such as, god forbid, a knife wound or strangulation, it will be very visible. >> out to the lines. barry in illinois. hi, barry. >> caller: hi, nancy. i just want to tell you i appreciate so much for everything you do for victims who can't speak for themselves. >> thank you. >> caller: and i also appreciate the way you love your two little kids, the way god intended for you to love them. >> i do. >> caller: and this breaks my heart over and over again when i watch your show. but we need to know what's going on out there and the question i was going to ask has already been answered, i guess, by the penalty. this little girl could be tried as an adult. but nancy, that's not enough. we need to get together as a nation and say hey, we're not going to take this anymore. we're not going to kill our kids, we're not going to mutilate their little bodies and destroy families. we've got to have some tougher penalties so people aren't so apt to do this and then spend 20 years in jail and think, well,

they're paying my rent, they're feeding me, we're paying their medical care. it's just not fair. >> have you ever had somebody go in and just reach inside you and pull your heart out? that's what it's like. she is an angel. i mean, they keep going back to my niece is scared of the dark.

we miss our little baby. she is our precious daughter. and we hope that this attention can help bring her back to our home. >> morgan harrington was somehow separated from her friends at an arena in charlottesville, virginia. she's a junior at virginia tech, very close to her family, calls home every day, and mom and dad say it is so out of character for her to just disappear with no contact. >> the group of friends that she went with are friends from middle school. you know, from what i understand, she went to the restroom and they then got a

call from morgan that she was outside the arena. >> it is suspicious to me that she ended up outside the arena, and it makes me wonder if she saw someone she knew and walked out. >> people do come up missing. however, it is very, very unusual that we have not heard anything, either from her friends, or from her family, regarding her whereabouts. >> if anyone has seen morgan, either in a store or by the road after the concert, anyone that looks like the description of morgan, please notify the police. it would be very helpful to all of us. >> joining us tonight, morgan's parents, dr. dan harrington and jill harrington. to both of you, thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> thank you for having us. >> i understand that video emerged that appeared to be morgan. what do you make of it? >> yes. >> to you, dr. harrington. >> well, i think initially looking at the picture i thought, gosh, this could be morgan and morgan's brother came in from new york and said he thought it was morgan.

and the more i looked at it i thought no, no, i don't think it is. it gave us hope for a period of time and then, of course, today we learned that that video was not morgan. >> where did the video come from, ms. harrington? >> i believe in this it actually was forwarded to us from this station where we are right now. >> that's correct. one of the reporters here forwarded that film to me. >> now, was the outfit in the video -- i remember, ms. harrington, you told me that she showed you several outfits and you helped her pick out the one. >> right. >> was this similar to that outfit? >> you know, it could have -- it looked like morgan. you know, maybe the hair was a little bit shorter. and it was a very similar outfit, but no black tights. but you know, we were saying, well, maybe if it got really hot she took her tights off. >> right.

>> so we thought -- our hearts leapt when we saw it on the computer, but we were split, even between the three of us that know her. her brother said it's her, her dad said no, and i said i'm not sure. i wanted it to be so badly. >> plus it showed -- oh, man. you know, after my fiance's murder, i wanted to believe so, so much that there had been a mistake. and i know right now you're hanging on to every shred of hope. >> that's right. >> we're trying. >> stacey newman, tell me the latest in the investigation. >> nancy, this investigation is now turning to social networking sites in light of this video that you're seeing here on our air tonight. now that this video's been on facebook and youtube, cops are monitoring those social networking sites very closely, nancy, for photos, videos, any postings that can help them find morgan harrington. >> joining me also, tim martin,

reporter with news talk 960. wfir. tim, what more can you tell me? >> facebook, youtube playing a big role. and with this video police really hoping that would be the clue they needed but ultimately that just wasn't the case. they're getting a lot of tips right now. over the weekend police searched a hotel in the area after receiving a tip, but that turned up nothing. while doing a ground search they found clothing near the university but it wasn't morgan's. right now they're getting a lot of tips. unfortunately not a lot of answers. the good news, the reward continues to grow, now up to $150,000. >> i understand metallica has put in $50,000 into that. everyone, the tip line, 434-352-3467. look at this girl. she looks like a fairy princess. morgan harrington is 20 years old. she's a coed at virginia. 5'6", 120 pounds, blond hair, blue eyes, last seen at this metallica concert. that arena, the john paul arena, holds 16,000 people.

somebody knows where she is. somebody knows what happened to this girl. there's $100,000 riding on your tip. the tip line, 434-352-3467. back to special guests joining us, dr. dan harrington, his wife, jill harrington. these are morgan's mother and father. dr. harrington, you feel sure that foul play is involved. why? >> well, morgan is not the kind of person that would take off. she was really quite close to us. and in fact, the day that she went to the concert she had talked with -- she talked with me about meeting with me the next day to go over math in preparation for a test as well as to help her balance her checkbook. you know, morgan has an apartment that's beautiful in blacksburg at virginia tech. you know, morgan, we're not monitoring her behavior at

virginia tech. she could have friends and -- >> freedom. >> -- freedom that, you know, she doesn't have to run off to have freedom. and you know, this is not behavior that we've ever seen from morgan. i think she was taken. >> and miss harrington, based on the little bit that i've learned from you, i mean, if a 20-year-old is going through her wardrobe with you and you guys together are selecting an outfit for her, i mean, most 20-year-olds don't care about what their mom thinks about what they wear. i mean, their mom doesn't even know they're going to a concert, much less helping them pick out their clothes. ms. harrington, it's my understanding that she may have told friends that she was outside -- she'd gone outside the arena, they wouldn't let her back in and that she was okay, she might get a ride home with other people or they could meet up after the concert. what do you know about her telling her friends inside that she might get a ride home?

>> i know that she did tell them that she could get a ride home, is what we believe. i don't know what that means. i can't think that morgan would leave with someone she did not know. >> exactly.

you are beautiful inside and out. morgan's story doesn't add up to me. is it possible that they know more than they are telling us. >> okay, everybody, we'll be back with the harrington's morgan's parents. the tip line, on your screen.

i'm jam a.j. hamper rosie o'donnell's shocking allegation about her childhood abuse. and kate goes lynn wants to be a movie star? at the top of the hour. joining us tonight, morgan's parents, desperately asking for your help. dr. dan harrington, jill harrington, quickly, to lisa, in michigan's question, do you believe that her friends are holding out information and do you know whether the security guards at the doors have been

questions? doctor? >> i don't know if the security guards have been questions or not. i don't think the girls are hiding anything. i think they'll really don't know, you know? they -- morgan went to the restroom by herself and for whatever reason she ended up outside the arena. and i think they are as per plexd as we are as to how that occurred and i think the more important question is, why did morgan feel that she could get aride afterwards rather than staying around until -- >> that suggests to me that something you have alluded to. dan harrington, you believe whoever she went with was a local. why do you say that? >> well, i think that charlottesville and central virginia is a, you know, an area that is general will you considered safe and, of course, can metal can concert drew people from all over the east coast. but this kind of thing occurs all over the country and it's usually someone who knows the

area and someone who's comfortable with the roads and it's not generally going to be someone who is just out of blue, driving through town and -- >> that's an excellent analysis. >> with me, dr. harrington and jill harrington, mother and father of morgan. won't you help us? take a look at her photo. morgan harrington. you just heard her mother say, please with please, help us. let's stop and remember army specialist russell hercules junior. more freeseboro, tennessee. two army okay men days medals. afghanistan campaign medal, iraq campaign medal, a newlywed. leaves behind parents to be sisters, widow victoria, children christopher and kadey.

this e. russe russell jr. and stacey and lisa, aren't they beautiful? congratulations to mike kale, launching his own show, "street court." check your times and listings. everyone, i'll see you tomorrow might. 8:00 sharp eastern. and until then, good night, friend. hello. this is the showbiz tonight news break. here's what's coming up on showbiz tonight at the top of the hour. explosive star confessions. rosie o'donnell's shocking confessions about oprah and rosie's startling confesses about child abuse. and hulk hogan, how and why

he almost killed himself. we'll be here on the top of the hour.