right now on showbiz tonight, brand new explosive star confessions. tonight, rosie o'donnell's shocking confessions caught on tape. rosie's dramatic revelations about o prab, rosie's startling claims about childhood abuse. >> whenever i would go to the doctor, the doctor would say, do you touch yourself? >> tonight, rosie totally unplugged.

hulk hogan's brand new suicide confessions. today, for the very first time on camera, hulk's emotional revelations about how and why he almost killed himself. >> you're sick and tired of being sick and tired. >> hulk's emotional words today and why his marriage failed. kate goes lynn's brand new confessions about why she says, no one may ever want to marry her again. and her unbelievable claim that she could see herself as a movie star? tonight a blockbuster night of explosive star confessions as tv's first, most provocative entertainment news show starts right now. low welcome i'm jam jams and tonight, rosie's shocking confessions. rosie o'donnell is one to hold back and tonight, i can tell you

she's revealing explosive new details about her life that we've never heard before. tonight rosie shares the horrifying details of abuse that she allegedly suffered as a child. details that are so tough to hear she avoided talking about it until now. that's just the start of her truly amazing new tell-all interview. rosie gets real about her split from her wife, kelley. and a rosie confession wouldn't be complete without a brand new block buszer against her nemesis, donald trump. they are making for big news breaking today. rosie o'donnell makes shocking confessions about molestation in her family. >> there were varying levels of abuse. >> she's setting record straight about her troubled relationships. >> kelley and i have a lot of issues and sex wasn't one of them. >> and she's settling old scores. >> i think your an ass -- [bleep]. >> she was unplugged on her interview on howard stern.

>> you haven't heard from rosie in a while but now she's coming back with a vengeance and being so revealing -- >> rosie's most shocking revelations were about childhood abuse which she's only hinted about in the past. >> she alluded to something in a book she had written but this is the first time we've heard her be very open about abuse that was going on in her own family. >> now, rosie speaks out like never before about ash use. even though she's still somewhat vague about it. >> you've alluded to molestation. it wasn't between you and your dad, was it? >> there were some serious issues going on in the house at that point and there were five children and there were varying levels of abuse. >> rosie tells howard stern she wasn't able to talk about the abuse when she was a child but she describes some suspicious infections in graphic detail. >> i was like 6, 7, 8, first or second grade. whenever i would go to the doctor the doctor would say to me, do you touch yourms snu i

don't know if you have children, did you that doesn't start for a child at that age. like somethings that been introduced to a child if that's happening at that age and it was not me that was causing infections so it's a very heavy thing. >> she's being so incredibly opened about these things that happened to her as a child but on the other hand, you have questions about exactly what happened. >> rosie also addresses tabloid headlines that she and her long-time partner, kelley carpenter are splitting up. >> we've been together for 12 years. we'll stay a family. and kelley and i are working through a lot of the stuff that we have and the children are the priority. >> i don't know that we're going to be together. i think we're working through what will work best. >> but rosie being rosie, couldn't help but take a few shots at her sparring partners, like her former boss on the view 'barbara walters. >> i assumed she was the first woman to break the barriers she

was very much off sister and i got on that show only to realize, oh, my god, that's not the case. >> i did find her to be inaccessible in a way that startled me and i did find her to be sort of anonsupportive in another way with the trump thing. >> oh, "the trump thing." remember rosie's on-air feud with donald trump where the two of them spent almost a year trading public insults? rosie is not over that. >> i shade the truth and he went ballistic. what he did to me is an example of how he feels about all women. >> and don't count on the donald to appear on her upcoming radio show. >> he doesn't interest me in any capacity o so i don't know what i would ever say to him. >> it seems like she hadn't let it go. >> once again, her willingness to bare all is showing us that she's still one of the most fascinating celebrities out there. >> one thing that you take from

this interview is that rosie is definitely a complicated person and just when you think you know her, you realize you don't know anything about her. >> there was so much more to rosie's interview including her account of an emotional phone call she placed to oprah, of all people. why was she call og pra? we'll have the dramatic details of rosie's frantic call to oprah. brand new bombshell kate goes lincoln fegss. here are the breaking developments. kate reveals whether or not she'll ever get married again. this answer may surprise you. and in more big news, kate admits her kids are having trouble understanding why she and john renewed their vows last year and now they're getting divorced. and kate's future in hollywood. is kate really setting her sights on a movie career? joining me tonight in hollywood,

leslie marshal from the "leslie marshal show." and ken baker, executive news editor for e. kate's birs bombshell confession. if you wrote in and asked kate what she wants to do once her show is over, listen to what she says. >> my career goals, believe it or not, somewhere in here i discovered that i' ed thaed tha done enough years of t have that i'm normal and that will natural there. i would love nobody a movie of afr voice of a cartoon character for my kids. >> i heard that correctly. kate said she wants to be in the movies. ken, let me begin with you. do you think perhaps those goals are a little bit lofty? >> she said she wanted to be a cartoon character. she is already a cartoon caker the. let's face it. the other thing is i jotted this down. i thought it was poignant.

she said being on tv is a normal, comfortable, natural place to be. i'm on tv right now. it's fun. it's cool. it's not natural and it's not even comfortable, you know? tv? if i had my kids on here that's really uncomfortable. i think she's clear live a really magnetic tv personality. clearly "john and kate plus eight" has not turned into what it was meant to be. >> when you think about it, she said the whole john and kate thing started because and she pointed this out, she wanted to capture memories on tape for the kids. i'm thinking she should have bought a camcorder. don't you think this new movie career goal she has proves she got a little taste of fame and realized i can make money being on camera and she liked it a little bit too much, not that there's anything wrong with that? >> absz lootly. taste of the appetizer.

they meat and potatoes. what i'm seeing around kate when she's talking is cha-ching. cha-ching. it's all for her. it would be so much for her kids to be on the cartoon but they're not on it, she's on it. of course that's part of her life. they put cameras in on her life. her life the falling apart. her kidses are all messed up. this just shows how she doesn't care about the kids in not putting them first and how shallow she is and how greedy she is. >> she just wants to take care of her kids. i want to move on to the next bombshell. a john and kate viewer wrote in and asked kate if she would get married again and here's what she said. >> i don't want to get married again. can you blame me? but i don't want to be alone. i know it will have to be someone with a lot of patience, character, strength -- and, wow,

wisdom. to take us on. i don't know if that's possible. we shall see. maybe when i'm 73 and a half. >> that was kind of refreshing to hear. can you blame her from thinking that way coming off the drama? >> she comes off relatable in that clip. she seems like a single mom with a lot of kids. what guy will go into that? i can't help because what has transpired how nasty this divorce battle has been. that's a avail add tack on john. she said courage and patience. all that stuff that john didn't have. talked about when she and john reviewed her vows on tape. she's having a tough time making sebls of this to her kids.

>> the kids say, when we were at your wedding you said you would be married forever. that's a hard thing to have to answer. because you can't quite explain it to ks. i have trouble explaining it to myself. >> and even though she maintains the vows being renewed wasn't staged i think is that just play into the public's perception that the show, perhaps not really reality, and boat of you, i appreciate you being here tonight. kate goes lynn is not the only star with shocking new confessions. tonight, hulk hogan's brand new suicide confessions. and how mohammed ali's daughter saved sniem if she hadn't, you think you would have pulled the triger? >> i don't know. in a way, it snapped me out of it. >> for the very first time on camera, hulks emotional revelations object how and why he almost killed himself. and a stunning development in the steve phillip's sex scandal. the fired espy 'anchor who left

is with a younger co-worker says he needs to go to sex addiction rehab? is that a legit excuse or an excuse to behave badly. and jay leno is taking on us. why jay is a problem with something we did. he has such a beef he even talked about it on his show. this is showbiz tonight. and now, time for your showbiz news ticker. more stories making news right now.

♪ the wait is over. tonight, michael jackson's "this is it" movie hits theaters worldwide. right now a brand new controversy and it involves michael's dad, joe. is he trying to cash in on the movie. welcome back to showbiz tonight.

tonight, the great debate. making money off of dead celebrities. not just for joe jackson that made for big news breaking news. the michael jackson son documentary, "this is it" is expected to be a big hit. joe jackson is reportedly set to make as much as -- are you ready for this? $250,000 per appearance to introduce the film at certain locations in england is there anything wrong with that? chris farley, back from the dead in a new directv commercial. david spade stars with his late friend but lots of people said, is this tasteless or what? joining me tonight in new york, is a celebrity publicist and a founder of the agency, entertainment journalist, we begin with joe jackson. he's reportedly getting this six-figure dollar amount to introduce "this is it" and tell stories about michael. we all know that joe has taken a

lot of heat before for trying to cash in on michael so soon after his death. is there anything wrong with him making a few bucks off of his late son's legacy? >> undoubtedly people grieve differently, a.j. the biggest issue with joe jackson is his decisions. his choices. you know? a lot of folks look at joe jackson's behavior and they think he's a bit opportunistic. his character and the way he's going about what he's doing is the biggest issue. no, yok he's upset but it's the mariner in which he's doing it that is raising eyebrows. >> a lot of celebrities make public appearances and get paid gone of money. how would joe jackson showing up here be any different than that in your mind? >> it's a huge difference. it's because you have to look at the relationship that joe jackson had with michael jackson. if michael jackson left anything for hid dad in the will his dad

wouldn't have to do these appearances. for his dad to cash in on his death behind his back is absolutely wrong. he could have been rich if he had a good relationship with his son. >> let's flof joe jackson to david spade. a raging debate over whether spade is helping to exploit his late friend, comedian yen, chris farley. and a footage shows them together using footage from "tommy boy." >> bad guy in a little coat. >> great with with tons of fun when i could be home watching directv. no matter may i want to watch it's in sweet, beautiful, hd. but, no, i'm stuck with cable. >> what's happen something. >> never gets old. >> well, "showbiz tonight" reached out to spade today and he tells us the commercial should be seen as a tribute. he said when directv came to me

and the farley family about the idea of "tommy boy" we thought it would be a great way to show how funny he was. if david spade and farley's family with okay with the making of this commercial should we be okay with it? >> i think we should. i think clearly david spade did this commercial as a reminder of the legacy and the april yabs and clever okay immediame comed. late today, "showbiz tonight" received this tonight from directv about the commercial. this is what a representative said -- tonight, rosie o'donnell dropping bombshell new confessions. you won't believe what she's saying about oprah. >> i called oprah winfrey one

night which was an error in judgment. >> rosie has a brand new radio show she's about to roll out. is she really going after oprah? you'll hear this coming up. and a stunning development in the steve phillips sex scandal. fired espn anchor who slept with a co-worker. she says, he needs sex rehab. is that a legitimate excuse or a excuse to behave badly. would you walk a jennifer aniston talk show? do you think jen has what it takes to host her own show? this is showbiz tonight. time for showbiz tonight news ticker. more stories making news right now.

the entire "showbiz tonight" newsroom was buzzing big-time when we saw that jennifer is an stop might do a talk show for oprah's new cable channel. some were not hot on the idea. they said jen couldn't pull it off. that's what most of our viewers think. we asked -- 31% said yes. 69% no. aniston's publicist said all this oprah talk show stuff was nonsense. he said the show and the reports of the show completely false. but, that did not stop a fired

up debate on the "showbiz tonight" facebook page. lots of our friends started to battle it out over the star. alex t wrote -- and from jacob -- what do you think? tell us by signing up for our facebook page or our twitter letters. >> no talk show for jon or kate yet but there's a lot of talking going on about the new jon and kate episode that just aired where call it took questions from viewers. our "showbiz tonight" showbiz call lines ringing off the hook. this person went off on kate. >> she's the most selfish person i've ever seen. those poor kids going through this on tv. and she gave the dogs back. they had two dogs the kids

loved. she wants to be in movies. has she had any training as an actress? this girl is an idiot. and we heard from michelle in michigan who went off on jon for ripping kate in a court battle over their money on monday. >> i think he's regretting everything that he's done because now he has no way to make money and kate's making all the money. so now he wants to be friends. i think kate's doing the right thing by staying a way and jon just can'ts to look like an idiot. >> thank you, the showbiz on call phone lines are opened all the time. the number is -- is the showbiz lineup. here's what's coming up at the bottom of the hour. showbiz trou confessions. rosie o'donnell explosive claims about oprah. >> i call odd pra one night by was an error in judgment. >> is rosie going after oprah? you have to hear her incredible revelations. and hulk hogan's startling

suicide confessions. for the first time on camera, hulk's emotional revelations about how and why he almost killed himsz. and why the victim of the roman polanski sex assault is fighting his extra days back to the u.s. and now, our "showbiz tonight" news ticker.

if. now on "showbiz tonight," hulk he dpan's suicide confessions. he talks about mohammed ali's daughter calling him while he had a gun thinking about taking his own life. >> you think if she hadn't, you might have pulled the trigger? >> i don't know. in a way it snapped he out of it. >> for the first time today, hulk opens up on camera about why he seriously considered killing himself and what changed his mind. rosie o'donnell's explosive confessions from her painful childhood abuse claims to a shocking revelation about oprah. rosie isn't pulling any punches. and steve phillips, sex

addict? the sports caster fired from espn for having an affair with a much younger co-worker heads to rehab. is he really a sex addict? agate debate. and more stories breaking from the showbiz news ticker, tvs most provocative news ticker continues right now. welcome back to show dispoint. it's 30 minutes past the hour. i'm a.j. hammer broadcasting tonight and every night from new york city. hulks confessions. explosive details about how hulk hogan almost tried to kill himself. for the first time on camera, hulk opened up about how lay laila ali saverd him from committing suicide and you are not going to believe what hulk has to say about his ex-wife, linda, and why he says their

marriage ended in divorce. a brand new bombshell confession from rosie o'donnell caught on tape. her brand new revelations about being sexually abused and wait until you hear about rosie's frantic phone call to oprah winfrey. we have leslie marshall and ken baker, executive news editor for "e!" let's begin with hulk hogan. he was on to promote "my life outside the ring." hulk opened up about how close he was to killing himself after his long marriage to ex-wife linda unraveled. he described a dramatic moment with a bottle of zanex and a bottle of republic and he was holding a gun. but then the phone range. watch this. >> the phone rang and it was leila and she called with no agenda. she called just to say, "hi" and check on me. >> do you think if she hadn't you would have pulled the

trigger? >> i don't know. in a way, it snapped me out of it to hear her voice and at that moment i switched gears. i got sick and tired of being sick and tired. her voice saved my life, it really did. >> there you have it. he says leila alley's voice saved his life. ken baker, obviously, this is very shocking considering hulk never really let on exactly how bad things had gotten for him personally. we knew they were bad but, wow, now like that. >> around that time his son was serving time in jail and facing serious charges and it was a very public, messy dworgs. it must have been really hard. but at the same time, i'm going to be a little bit cynical. he's the ultimate showman. he's promoting a book and it seems like when celebrities have these sort of "i reached the bottom and i climbed my way back to the top of happiness" there's

always a gun and some sort of alcohol or pills involved. it's conveniently dramatic and fits that formula. i love hulk hogan but at the same time, he says his life is called "my life outside the ring." we saw that. it was his reality show. >> i have become cynical. i always liked him. watching all the drama that's unfolded, when i see him on "the today show" 'and he gets emotional, i wonder like i never did before, is it for real or not? in this bombshell interview, he claimed his ex-wife's linda's alcoholism and abusive language were the main reasons the marriage ended. take a look. >> it was tough. constant chaos. i was madly in love with linda, old school married to her for life no matter what happened. doing everything i could to keep the family together. i used to brag that i was the only world champion that was never divorced. i figure nod matter how bad it got we'd get through it. but it got to the point where

everything was so negative. we couldn't be friends with the neighbors. i couldn't have people over. it got to the point where i got sick and tired of being sick and tired. a few years before the divorce i just started praying to be happy and it got to the point where it couldn't go honor. >> leslie, there hadn't been much sympathy for him. are you having any for him right about now? >> i don't know, you know? i went from being cynical to feeling sappy. i do feel for him. i really do. marriage is a lot of work, especially if you have cameras in your household and especially if you're a celebrity. i think the neat thing about hogan being so opened and, yes, a book deal does coincide. but, he's ace big, tough guy. a big, strong guy. and even, you know, rich people, celebrities have their problems in their relationships that we noncelebrity, none rich people do and big, strong guys feel not like the lions but like mice

emotionally and a lot of women identify with this. >> let me ask you this, ken. do you think the sympathy factor has wayned for hulk hogan with all the drama? do you think speaking out like this he'll get people back? >> i think hulk has been in the public eye for about 30 years. he's actually extremely popular. he has loyal fans. he's playing to the fan base with this book and this interview. he's a very emotional guy but he's an excellent showman and he knows how to sell product and he's doing it now. let me move on to rosie o'donnell and her bombshell confessions in her brand new interview with howard stern on his radio show. rosie confessed her own mother didn't believe her father was molesting her from the age of 6. in the interview rosie said she had proof, even back then -- and it's painful to hear rosie admitting this stuff. take a listen -- >> well, although i had a tremendous amount of urinary

tract infections. i constantly needed to be on sulfur medication as a child. whenever i would go to the doctor the doctor would say to me, do you touch yourself? i don't know if you have children, but that doesn't start for a child at that age. >> all right, she also told howard she never got into much detail before because it was always so painful for her siblings to hear this. leslie, as a fellow radio host you know how brilliant howard is and he creates a safe space for celebrities to say things they might not otherwise say. but separate from that, why do you think she's saying that light now? >> i think she feels safe to say it. she's at a point in her life where she can talk about it and i think she realizes as a parent herself, and as she ages as a woman, it's something she has to do. there are so many children that are abused and molested by family members and it's so sad, aa.j., how many parents don't

believe them when the perpetrator is in the family. i hear from people like this on my radio show all the time. one parent won't believe them. >> i always say, hearing people like rosie speaking out, can certainly help other people dealing with it and don't want to confront it. i'm sure she'll do that with her radio show. she confessed to calling up oprah in a panic after the whole tragic scene happened at columbine. >> at the height of my columbine insanity i called oprah one night, which was anner floor judgment, howard because -- >> she was very kind. i'll you that. i don't know that i was even coherent. i was saying, we do k do it together -- >> we can change the world. >> and she's at home in chicago saying, who is this girl and why the hell did she get my number? >> i love her for being so candid. at the time rosie had her own talk show. she and oprah, easily two of the most influential women on tv.

rosie doesn't always have it together. is that why people love rosie? >> that's her attraction. her blog is one of the most read celebrity blogs because she's so honest. but what we're seeing is rosie o'donnell, she's 47 years old and she goes through a crossroads with kelley carpenter and i think she's saying, you know what? i'm going to be myself. i'm sick of hiding and being perfect for everyone and she's letting it all hang out. >> i thank you both. all right, as we move on tonight, is steve phillips a sex addict? the sports caster was fired from espn for having an affair with a co-worker. i have agreat debate. and why jay leno has a bone to pick with "showbiz tonight"? why jay talked about us on his show. and also, this.

dead celeb tus making a living on their iconic images. a market worth of hundreds of millions a year. >> a showbiz special report. we uncover how much money dead celebrities are making. mike skbreex is the latest celebrity to be profitable after his death. it's big business. this is "showbiz tonight" on hln. here's out showbiz news taker, more stories making news right now.

welcome back to "showbiz tonight." i'm a.j. hammer. guess who's watching our show? jay leno. they were talking about the balloon boy, dad, richard heeney and we named heeney the most provocative celebrity of the week. batch this. >> what bothered me is i was watching showbiz today and it says -- they had, who is the notorious celebrity of the week. hulk hogan for his breakup of the family? and they had this guy as a celebrity and he's not a

celebrity. he's a guy who broke the law. why does he -- he's not even -- you don't have -- you only have to think about a reality show to be a celebrity? >> thanks a lot, jay. one little thing, it's called "showbiz tonight." and steve phillips confesses he's a sex addict. the fired espn sports caster is heading to rehab for his sex adixz. these latest bombshells came one day after we learned espn fired fill limbs for his scandalous affair? does he need a trip to sex rehab? or is this the latest celebrity excuse to behave badly? with me, a celebrity publicist and also, an entertainment journalist with five dollar prep.com. and steve phillips, his agent confirmed he's in rehab for sex

addiction. he said it got to the point where he really needs help and this was the best way to do it and he says this to the associated press. strooef phillips is not a sleaze bag. he's a good guy who just fell off the wagon. all right. plenty of people cheat. they get caught, face the music. it happens all the time. i get that. when hi celebrity. somebody like steve phillips cheats, and more and more celebrities do it and they blame it on sex addiction, am i missing something here? or is steve some part of some new celebrity sex addiction sex epidemic? >> sex rehab is a pr strategy that only works if your check yourself in before you get caught. so, no, this is not a strategy that we're going to buy. he got caught having sex with someone other than his wife. that doesn't make him a sex addict it makes him a cheater. >> this may surprise you and i'm no medical expert but this doctor is. here's what he said on cnn's anderson 360.

>> bun of the big questions when is someone a womanizer and when is someone a sex addict? i don't think we should trivialize sex addiction. i get asked that all the time. most of the time i say, no. "you're just a jerk." "you're just a guy acting out." steve fill limbs -- they say it's rare. maybe steve fill limbs is one of those cases. but from what i've seen i have to wonder if steve might wonder from being both a jerk and an addict? >> he could be afflicted with both of those situations. he has a history. so maybe it's a chronic problem that he has. i don't know. if you're an addict, the first thing any doctor will tell you is, stay away from temptation. he obviously didn't make an effort. the pa he has to work with is a hot little chick like that. so i'm not giving him any credit yet. >> back to the theory about the whole pr strategy, my good

friends at t"the view" had men toy say. whoopi asked a question. is this more about saving his soul or saving his butt. watch this. >> let me ask you. do you think he'd be going in there if he hadn't been fired? >> not at all. not that neeb goes into anything unless they have to. >> do you agree with joy? celebrities don't go to rehab unless they have to because it's part of the formula to rehab themselves but their careers? >> i agree. if he was taking a proak taif approach and decided to check in before he got caught and this became an explosive story we might buy it but he's doing it as a reactive act. to try to save his marriage and save his job and reputation. >> he didn't save the job but i guess he's looking out for the next situation to come along. another startling new story tonight. the victim of the roman polanski sex assault says -- leave him alone and leave her alone.

samantha gheimer who was 13 when he drugged her and had sex with her, 31 years ago. she filed legal papers to try to stop polanski from being extradited from switzerland and wants the whole thing dropped. in the legal filing she says having to relive there nightmare is making her physically ill and she could lose her job because of all the attention she's getting. don't you think what she wants should carry some weight here? >> i think it should carry most of the weight. laws are in place to protect victims and right now she's not being protected. she wants it to go away. this seems more of an ego thing for the authorities to get this guy after 30 some odd years. >> what do you think? it really is if she's being victimized twice if they go ahead against her wishes. >> i agree. she don't doesn't want to open ould wounds. she wants to move past this. no one pants their past to haunt their future and that's what

this is doing. she's the victim so her voice should be heard. >> it will be interesting. i'm not legal expert but the legal expert also say, this is a federal situation and it's not really up to her. thank you guys, i appreciate it. it looks like there are going to be plenty of kate's for this halloween. >> yeah. i'm sorry to report, case gosselin wig is a huge seller. kate herself says that she even thinks it's funny even though she won't see any money from it. >> they e-mailed me that it was one of the hottest wigs of the halloween season was going to be "the kate wig." then if they called it that they would have to me some of the plo seeds. so nowhere on the packages does it have my name which i find interesting. and no, i don't benefit from the proceeds. i hear it's back ordered from now until the end of time. i managed to get my hand on one. my reaction? i laughed my head off. i was like, that's just plain

ridiculous and i hear everywhere that there's going to be all these jon and kates for halloween this year and there have been in the past. now there's a wig for the woman. they line up their eight kid in strollers and what think it is. >> you better get your kate wig or order it while it is hot because kate is already thinking what her next hair style will be. >> michael jackson's movie is about to open. >> dead celebrities making a living on their images. there is a market worth hundreds of millions a year. >> it is a "showbiz" special report not to be missed. how much money the dead celebrities are making. michael jackson just the latest celebrity to be profitable after his death this is a huge business. this is "showbiz tonight" tonight on hln.

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michael jackson's movie is already on track to make big bug bucks with some showings starting at midnight tonight this thing could rake in more than $40 million through the weekend. michael jackson might be the latest celebrity to be profitable after his death but he is not the only one. we uncover how much money dead celebrities are making. it elementsalmost maek makes yoo be dead. >> you are on my movie and on my track. >> he has been dead for decades

but steve mcqueen still finds work beyond the grave. >> good luck. >> dead celebrities making a living on their images. there is a market worth hundreds of millions a year. his company advises heirs of celebrity estates. >> this is one we just finished last month. >> he has brokered deals for many stars. their latest edition? >> bruce lee. we are excited to take the market globally. >> it can start with something as simple as a classic photo. >> how much would licensing something like that? >> in the six figures. >> green light is not the only company in the business. cmg corporation has negotiated

lucrative contracts for marilyn monroe, bette page and james dean. >> when it comes to the king of celebrity earners, that crown belongs to elvis who dominates the annual list of top earning dead celebrities. >> elvis will generate in 2009 between 50 and $60 million. >> numbers that could easily triple next year with the upcoming launch of an elvis cirq ump e de soleil. but elvis could be dethroned with michael jackson. >> 2010 will be interesting. it will be the first time that there is really a horse race with elvis. >> and an estate's true test

lies in staying power, how bankable they image remains othertime. so can michael jackson clench the top spot? we will all find out. that is it for "showbiz tonight." remember, you can always catch us on the 11s. we are on in the morning at 11:00 a.m. eastern on hln. tonight on "the joy behar show," he was the winner of the first season of "survivor." then he was the first winner of "survivor" to go to prison for tax evasion. >> remember when used became preowned? maybe the democrats need to rename the public option?

and trying to put an end to the practice of spanking our children.

tonight, senate majority leader harry reid has put the public option back in the health care bill. is it because he cares about the flick or the public opinion polls? is it okay to spank a child? that depends on who you talk to. actor eric roberts doesn't think so. and a prime time exclusive. richard hatch. can he survive this interview? all this and more, starting right now.

people like martha stewart, leona helmsley have been there. prison, that is. richard hatch spent 3 1/2 years behind bars for not paying taxes on his $1 million prize. >> the winner of the first "survivor" competition is -- rich. congratulations, rich. congratulations. >> the angels sing. hatch says he's innocent and the subject of a witch hunt. richard hatch joins me for his first primetime interview since leaving prison. thanks for coming and for keeping your clothes on. >> my pleasure.

>> what is the first thing you did when you got out of prison? >> i don't remember. i'm still in the fight of my life. i don't have the feeling that everybody thinks you might have getting released. i'm on supervised release. i'm under the bureau of prison's thumb. i am 100% innocent. it wasn't just the 3 1/2 years in jill. i just got put back in jail for doing an interview i had permission to do. >> you went to jail. did you think -- for 3 1/2 years, because you didn't pay taxes on the $1 million you got from winning "survivor."

>> you say for that. >> you didn't? you paid the tax? >> i paid whatever taxes were owed. there's a process in the irs. you fill out your tax returns and submit them. your job is to do that as accurately as you can. that's why i had accountants. >> they're not coming to get their money, i can keep the million dollars? >> better than that. the money was earned in malaysia. there's a complicated international piece. by contract and by law, that one was required to have been paid before we left the island. >> what was going to pay that? >> the contract says cbs or seg. >> what about the rest of the 85% of the $1 million.

you had nit the bank, right? >> exactly. >> were you waiting, when are they coming to get me? >> i asked the irs. i have been asked since 202. we got a response in may of 28009. they've written a letter saying i am cooperative. >> i was reading you didn't pay for taxes on car. you were convicted in 2006 for not paying taxes on the $1 million. $327,000 as a co-host. money on a rental property. you don't pay your taxes. >> let me use numbers. this is prosecutorial misconduct. submission of false data is misconduct. >> did you pay the taxes? >> absolutely.

>> what did they get you on? they had a whim, they didn't like you? >> yes. there is discrimination. it's not a whim. discrimination is real. i'm not allowed to be married. >> that's separate from paying your taxes. >> it is. that's why, there's a process involve were the irs is supposed to assess you, look at what's happened, say, hey, no, we believe this. you should do that. >> after the fact? so in other words, you don't pay it, they're supposed to come find you? >> no, no, no. file your return, with a check. paid i don't know how much. a lot a lot. >> you're telling me something that's different than what i understand to be true. >> as does the rest of the public. >> why don't you sue them for putting you in jail by mistake? >> we're working on it. this is part of the process, me talking to you trying to get

people to understand what happened. i field the returns, paid my taxes. asked the irs. they did a civil inquiry, asked me questions about my return. i was cooperative. the former attorney general of rhode island, a corrupt man, who, for whatever reasons, discriminatory or political, stepped in and converted illegally that inquiry to a criminal prosecution. because of me. because sit a witch hunt, period. >> calling him corrupt is not a good idea. >> now he's trying to be governor. >> don't get yourself in worse trouble than you're in already. >> it's true. >> when you were on the island, where were you? borneo? >> borneo. a little island off the coast of borneo. >> you were known as a schemer. people didn't like you because you were a schemer.

>> it's true. the game is called "survivor." outwin, outlast, outplay. i did it. a football player doesn't tell you, i'm going over here. they're trying to win the games based on the rules, which i did. >> you were a schemer. >> very much so. >> we have something, watch it. >> somebody's got go. i appreciate your vote, not against me. i would love to stay. i think it's been an interesting road to say the least. as it gets more and more real, down to these days, like some people may never know, we worked well together. think a have a responsibility for bringing the alliance together in the beginning. i would ask for your help, love you, sue. >> you're a little calculating. are you like that in real life?

>> i'm intelligent. i'm a bright guy. >> you don't seem stupid. >> thank you. it would be stupid not the pay the taxes. >> but stalin was smart. >> we drowned witches and they don't exist. let me tell cow about that. the clip you just showed me asking them for my vote. the people that voted for me are people i kicked off. they respected how i played the game. it was our public. this was the origin gnat show. the public didn't quite get it yet. they saw this thing that the media caricature continued to boost. >> i would say you have a reputation as being an s.o.b. >> i did, absolutely. >> you were on the "today" show. when you were released, you were on with matt or meredith?

>> matt came to my house. i got permission for him to be there. >> but you weren't supposed to do it. it was unapproved. >> it was approved in writing from the bureau of prisons. they said, we didn't know there would be two more people asking you questions than were there. they lied. >> listen to what you said in august. >> you have alluded to me that you think because you're a homosexual that that implied to your case. >> i meant to state that definitively. >> okay, so what's the gay thing? >> when you select a jury, you can ask them questions during a process of voir dire. he's discriminated against in the country, he just got married in canada because he's not allowed to be married in the

united states. >> your married? where did you meet him? >> i met him in argentina. we asked the judge if we could ask how the jurors felt about homosexuals. we were not allowed to ask. that's evidence of bias from the get go. the judge exhibited his full bias. >> why didn't your lawyer say something? >> i wasn't allowed to speak. my accountant wasn't allowed to testify. we were not allowed to do all kinds of things that in my final

appeal, i'm asking the new judge, william smith of rhode island, to look at. i'm hopeful he'll look at the bigger picture to see there's no crime. >> i don't know if you're supposed to be out doing this interview. i could be aiding and abetting a criminal. >> you could. >> if they ask, you say you wanted to come. i'll be back with more richard hatch, right after this. 3w4r57

i don't know any taxes. to this day, i've never, ever not paid any tax that i have ode. i have always paid my taxes, always field my returns. and i did in this case. >> that was you, on "access hollywood." i'm back with richard hatch. you told nbc's "today" show about being in solitary. >> that was the worst. being in solitary confinement, without anyone telling me why i'm there.

it's an awful cell. >> a cement cell? >> kill the fag on the back of the door. it's an awful place to be. >> the sheriff is fighting back and calling you a stranger to the truth. how do you respond? >> he's a liar. i never met the guy. in that same article where he responded, he said, i refused to get pants on. he is a liar. i answered the door in my underwear. >> do you never wear pants? i looked this up, leona helmsley was in prison for 18 months. wesley snipes, three years for not paying $15 million in taxes. willie nelson, $16 million, he's never spent time in jail.

you had bad lawyers, i think. >> the system has a problem. when people are discriminated against, a's have been. this is a witch hunt. there's nothing you can do, or little. i'm still fighting. >> well, wesley snipes could say it was because he was black. people with claim anything. >> i agree. they have to present evidence. i visit. it's in the record, it's undeniable. >> for solitary confinement, that's a little rough. even for a big guy like you. it's a little safer in there, if you get my drift. >> well, that may not be a good thing. >> how come you couldn't scheme

your way out of prison? >> they bested me. they bested me. when the system comes down, as it has with me. i've never been in trouble. >> always a good boy? >> well, so, they say. there's no reason for any of what they have done to me. it hasn't served anyone. finding the truth, figuring out how this can happen to somebody is something i'm hoping, eric holder, this attorney general will do. >> let's talk about your time in prison. i want to hear what happened there? did the other criminals recognize you. >> they did. >> was that a good thing or bad? >> both. >> well white collar crime is not macho. >> true. there's a fascinating thing. people think i'm going to be a cocky, egotistical, arrogant thing. when they meet me, they find out

i'm a regular guy. they come to me with a defensiveness. >> did you see the show "oz"? >> i have. >> did you learn anything -- >> i didn't watch it enough, i guess. >> you were known as the man who walked around naked. >> we can do that here. i'm naked less than 1% of the time. i would like to be naked all of the time. that would be smarter in this 100-degree weather. >> rich is naked. >> is he naked? he walks around naked quite a bit. i think it bugs the guys. >> it's kind of childish, immature. sit grand standing, walking around on national tv. >> your life, my life, different things. who cares? >> levi johnston, sarah palin's

son-in-law is posing in -- "playgirl." did you know that? >> i wonder if they'll do pairs. >> that sounds like an inside gay thing i know nothing about. >> you know all the inside day theng things. >> i don't know that one. do you have any tips? that's wrong to say that. sorry, i made a mistake there. in the next segment. we're going to take break and come back. i want you to hear some internet fan questions. people are interested in you. i want you to hear this. don't go away. we'll be right back with richard hatch.

i think it's ironic that she's trying to stay on the board and she's not in danger of getting voted off. kelly, on the other hand, has no idea she's leaving this evening. >> i'm back with richard hatch, the first winner of "survivor." his first prime time interview since leeing prison. we're a little show, we're building. >> you have a huge audience, we love you, it's going to be

great. thrilled to be on. >> we have internet fan questions. they sent us these. first of all, was the food worse in jail or the island? >> way, way, way worse in jail. way worse. seriously. >> didn't you eat bugs and rodents? >> live, delicious food. >> you didn't eat rodenrodents you? >> i didn't need to. i was the one that caught fish. i was the only one that could catch fish. i fed my team. >> did you matches to cook? >> no. >> you ate the fish raw? >> we got fire a little ways down and cooked it. we laid it on the sticks. >> elisabeth hasselbeck said she ate bugs. >> that was a past "survivor," one that came later. she's not a real "survivor." >> she is, she's survived "the view." >> that's true. >> how did you spend your time in prison. i am interested in this. you always here that people are raping each other in prison. >> there is sex happening in prison. >> sex or rape? >> i think rape as well. there are initiatives in the

prisons. more of it happens in maximum security facilities than minimum security facilities. the most sex that takes place is among straight guys. i don't know how to explain that. >> there must be more straight guys in prison any way than gay guys. straight guys are suddenly attracted to each other in prison. >> it's weird. i don't know why it happens but it did. >> i see. that's lovely. how did being on "survivor" prepare you to be in prison? >> i don't think anything can prepare you. it has been terrible. i can laugh now. >> there's no other way to go but to laugh now. >> i'm still in it, still fighting. it is still a very, very serious thing. >> if you were discriminated against, you might have a lawsuit in, no? >> i do. >> you need to make money. >> i'm hoping to get back on radio.

i did radio in boston. for now, i'm fighting to be exonerated. afterwards, if people responsible for what happened that i can make accountable,ly. >> maybe you can go on "dancing with the felons"? >> maybe "the amazing race." >> george bush is being motivational speaking. there's room for everyone if george bush, the most inarticulate president we have had -- >> i agree. i did that for 15 years.

>> i wish you luck. i still say you should have paid your taxes, though you say you did. >> oh, my god, at least you said that. >> i don't quite get it. >> the record will show i paid them. when they tell me i owe more, i will. >> the record shows he took the blows. >> hmm.

as harry reid put the public option back on the table, nancy pelosi says we need to rename the option as something more friendly. joining us is ben stein and gail collins, a new york times columnist. ben and gail, welcome to the

show. >> honored be here. >> what should they call it? >> how about vampira, princess of blood? >> meaning what? >> it will suck people dry. >> it will be only for people who are really poor, right? people who -- >> no, because they need a full-time national gestapo from joining in. everyone who can will sneak over the border and try to get in, will kill the insurance companies. i'm not posed to everyone having government subsidized health insurance.

why not give checks to indigents or people that can't afford it and let them buy private insurance. >> what do you think? >> the theories that government is bad, government is incompetent, if they have a program, lit lead everyone to wreck and ruin. it's there to keep the insurance companies honest. >> here's harry reid laying out his plan. >> the best way to move forward is to include a public option with an opt out option for states. the states can term determine in the option works for hem or will have the ability to opt out. >> is this a play by reid to say, hey, i tried something. he's up for re-election. sit really going to happen or is he going to say, see, i tried? >> it's not a terrible option. why are we saying that the insurance companies are thieves. if they were, they would be making more money than they are. they're not wildly profitable. >> i think the ceos make lots of money. >> i think they're paid pennies compared to wall street.

they are paid pennies for wall street and we get on their case more. >> i don't understand what the problem is. i'm layperson. >> if they can police it. >> why can't they? they police a lot of other things. if you don't qualify for the public option, you don't get it? why is the republican party so afraid of competition? >> they're afraid of subsidized competition. i feel like i'm stealing gail's time. >> the reason you need a public option is because there are a number of states in which there is only one insurance company. there is not competition in so many states out there. >> there's one state that has a ma majority with one insurance company. there isn't competition. >> there is one state. that's alabama. that is highly questionable of

whether or not they have a monopoly. can they control for fraud in welfare, medicare, medicaid? what makes them think they can control this? >> it's not a perfect system. but if you're a very poor person, you need medicaid, you have to get it. >> i agree. think the government should take people really, really poor, have them show proof of citizenship, give them a check to get plan from a private insurer. >> is it the state? >> the state of the united states of america. it would give people a check to buy private insurance. >> isn't that the same thing? that's the tail wagging the dog. >> no, a public option would be a giant, supersubsidized insurance company that would drive the private companies out of business and would give the

government way to have total control. >> why does it drive the other insurance companies out of business? >> because you or i, we can apply for this, sneak in with some careless bureaucrat, get this that, more and more of those people will join the public option and will be drained out of the private system. >> come on. >> why do you say that? you just said there's a lot of fraud. >> it's not going to be a perfect plan. it gives some people the option to come into the system. >> i don't expect a perfect plan. i would like plan that guarantees people's health but does not give the government control of this. i have never had a bad -- i'm 64 years old.

i've livered a lot longer than you, have i never had a big problem with a insurance company doing any questionable to me. i'm not sure why people are so mad at the insurance companies, by and large, they seem to do a good job. >> not everybody. the pre-existing conditions. they have to fix that. >> if they are going cover the pre-existing conditions, they will have to raise the rates on e. it's fine if they want to cover all the pre-existing conditions. it will mean higher premiums for everyone. >> you to have anything to add? >> i'm enjoying watching you. feel free to talk among yourselves. >> i kept saying it wanted you to have a turn. >> a lot of this is about the states having control. think that's a bad idea. you know the red states are going to say no, it's creeping socialism. >> it's got cover everybody or it's not going cover everybody. i would like to see everybody covered. in 1973, i wrote a speech about a health care plan. we take the people that are too

poor to have health care insurance, it was simple. i don't see what's wrong with that. >> it's a handout. why would you prefer a handout to a government-run option? >> because the government plan, in order the make the public option work, and in order keep the whole thing so called budget neutral is going to involve bending the curve, getting in the face of everybody patient and doctor and controlling ways to play the doctors less. >> 57% of americans favor the public option. americans want it. >> you don't have 50% of the public on. you have me and gail on. >> what do you say to all those people? it's too bad about you? >> i say we're going to give you insurance. you're going to get a check and go out and buy insurance. >> every year you have to keep giving checks to people.

there's no employment in the country, nothing's going up. >> it's going cost money to have them have medical insurance, too. do we do it by enlarging government control or by giving checks. >> why do republicans fear big government so much? >> the fear is they're going to control our lives. freedom is the goal of america. freedom is the goal of america. >> fdr had a huge government. it didn't control our lives. >> it's tiny compared to what it is now. >> if it wasn't for him, would not have the social security. >> he didn't do medicare? >> that was lbj. >> most of the inefficiencies exist because there is an insist tent that there always been a private enter prize thing. you just can't have government taking care of this, offering you a one-stop health care plan been we have to bring in the insurance companies. they have a right to fight back and forth. all of the different layers, the medicare health and drug costs

would be much lower if we didn't have the layers thing to make sure that the pharmacies get to compete, get to sell things. it's got to be the private market. you're making things inefficient. >> you're citing one tiny issue. you're saying all the of it is a problem. that's one area. under the bush administration, they said the government could not bargain about the price of

drugs. they do require generics. they're trying to be more efficient is a rather bold assertion. >> that's what we're in for. >> if we don't get health care reform this time, we won't visit in our lifetimes. if it does fail who is to blame, obama or congress? >> it won't fail. they'll get a bill through. >> to me, without the public option you have nothing. you have done nothing. >> what about if we take the indigents and give them a check -- >> i know, the check, the check. i don't know if that's going to work. send me a check. >> they work for you, don't they, joy? up next, a spanking debate, i'm going to spank you later, with actor eric roberts, in just a bit. ííííííííííííí

some people think that if you spank a child, he'll learn. if you water board him, will he become a genius? in 2009, is corporal punishment okay? joining me is eric roberts, star

and actor in the new series on star "crash." and supporter of the national child project. welcome to the show. peter, tell me why are you for spanking a child, peter? >> parents need to have an array of disciplinary tools to them. spanking should not been the first resort, it should be a tool. it can be effective to reinforcing some tools, particularly when a child is being defiant. most people know the difference between spanking and abuse and are able to draw that line. and ordinary spanking is not harmful to children. it can be useful to parents. >> what do you think about that? >> i'm devastated by his

enjoyment of that. here's what it would be like. it's like someone is 15 feet tall weighing 750 pounds hit you for any reason. that's how much bigger you are than a child. it's against the law to strike an adult for any reason, even if they call your mother a whore. you're not supposed to hit an adult. >> if a child said, you're a whore, they would get swatted. >> why is that okay? >> parent is in a position of authority. the same way it's okay for the police to use force in ways that an ordinary civilian is not. the police are in a position of authority. i think kids understand that about their paints. >> why do you want your children to perceive you as the police department? >> because i'm in a position of

authority and i want them to understand that they have an obligation to obey what i tell them. >> lel let me say one more thing. if you give permission to some people to hit their kids at any level, that's a slippery slope towards beatings for some people. you're a pastor. i don't think that's a good idea for you to put that out there. >> i have been to a session at a church where a speaker taught the people attending there how to use spanking as a loving form of discipline. certainly, more extreme forms of physical punishment can get out of hand. there's no evidence that most parents that use disciplinary spanking are tempted to go beyond that and become abusive. >> jump in there, eric. >> peter, we're discussing what

i call the right to bear hands. who needs protection more than anyone else in the world? children and animals. we get away with abusing them. the rule is black and white. an adult cannot touch another adult legally. >> let me throw in a study from duke university. that said that spanking children when they are very young, i guess a 1 year-old, can slow their intellectual development and slow their development as they get older. it's not a good thing for children. it makes them dumb. why would you want to do that? you don't approve of that, do you? >> 1-year-old is too young. >> how about 2? >> the best research says that spanking is most effect with toddlers aged 2 to 6. under 15 months or over 10 years

old, it becomes less effective. >> they'll hit you back when they're 10. >> peter, i have two great books for you. one is call ed the natural child, which i recommend the audio version of because my stepson reads it. and the other one is alice miller, for your own good. she writes about the hidden cruelty in child rearing and the roots of violence. my wife and i have an idea. peace through parenting. if you never humiliated a child, hurt a child or scared a child there would be no war. think about it. if children think they're in danger of being hurt, they grow up feeling endangered. if they grow up being terrorized at all, they will keep a terrorist in their life. you turn this against yourself.

>> the best research shows that the strongest determinant of how children turn out is not the use of one particular disciplinary method or another it's the parent's overall parenting style. some parents are too authoritarian. they have too much anger with too much punishment without enough love and nurture. some are too permissive. don't have enough structure and correction. the ideal parenting style is what we call the authoritative style that has a balance between correction and loving nurture and spanking can be an effective tool within that style of parenting. >> that's fine. but hitting is not something you do to anyone that you respect. kids don't learn respect that way. >> how do you respond to the point i just made that it's making kids dumber? what do you say to that?

>> there's a problem with the research that is usually cited against spanking. it's not research on spanking. it's mostly research on corporal punishment. >> the ones who are sadistic, you're giving them permission in a certain way. >> in fact, sometimes it's more abusive -- children can be more abused verbally when the parent is so frustrated -- >> that's just as bad. there are alternatives to treating children like they're slaves. >> you may not hit a child in a rage but you end up giving permission to somebody who is going to hit a child in a rage. that's not cool, pal. >> let's face it.

before we go, the only spanking we approve of is between a congressman and a page. stick around. more in a minute.

okay. we're back with actor eric roberts and peter sprigs. university of north carolina study says mothers who spank their children are three times more likely to use harsher forms of punishment than those whose children were not spanked. it is a slippery slope, peter, whether you like to admit that or not, it happens. >> well, but studies, surveys of parental behavior show about 90% of all american parents have used spanking on their children. only about 1% of parents have actually abused their children. so -- >> they're not going admit it. >> not many people go down that

slippery slope. >> peter, you're being naive if you think people are going to come out and say i beat the crap out of my kid. they're not going to say it. >> no. i'm talking about the -- in fact, in sweden after they banned spanking the rates of child abuse went up and the rates of teen violence went up. >> i would have to see those numbers, peter. i don't know that that's probably true. >> also, that's because people are not treated for the craziness they have. maybe there are other ways to treat your children besides either spanking or beating or hitting or whatever. there are other ways to raise a child. somebody said something very interesting to me the other day on this show. it was richard belzer. there was a study done of people who saved jews during the holocaust and the one thing they all had in common -- none of them were ever hit or spanked by their parents which meant that they were not scared.

they were not scared to save another human being. as a pastor i would think you would embrace such a concept. of being kind to other people and especially your own children. >> well, i mean, people -- >> what a great understanding. >> i've never heard of that study, but studies have shown that it is an effective form of discipline for a loves parent to use. >> okay, peter, you have to do us all a favor and get alice miller's "for your own good" and jan hunt's "the natural child." >> one thing she says in the book is apply the golden rule. do unto your child as you and others would do unto you. >> if i do something wrong i expect to be corrected. now, i'm not -- >> i'm going to come over there and smack you right now. >> i'm old enough i can responds to other forms of correction. a child who's 2, 3, 4, 5 years old does not have the cognitive ability to respond to the kind

of -- >> you're so much bigger than a 5-year-old child. >> you've obviously never spent much time with small children. they're very aware. >> i am a parent. i am a father, and -- now, i will say this. not every child needs to be spanked. children have different personalities, and some children are particularly compliant, but other children are more strong willed. they're more defiant and for those children spanking may be the most -- >> what about giving them a time-out? what about saying, you can't go to the dance, even though they're 2 years old? >> what will you do if they don't go in time-out? studies have actually shown that if you spank them, then they will comply with time-out in the future and then you won't have to spank them. >> this is an unwinnable war. thank you anyway for coming on

the show, peter. i know it wasn't that easy to do with the two of us against you. peter, eric, thanks for joining me tonight. thank you for watching. good night, everybody.

breaking news tonight. live to the heartland. a 9-year-old little missouri girl plays with a little friend, walks home, still daylight, through her own neighborhood. no more than a quarter mile. that's only about 1,000 feet. she never makes it home. tonight, the massive search for 9-year-old elizabeth olten comes to an end. her body found in a heavily wooded area just houses away from her own home. police converge on one of those homes, the last known sighting of the 9-year-old alive. bombshell tonight.

a murder suspect in custody. no, not one of the dozens of registered sex offenders in the area. not a vagrant, not an escapee, not a parolee. suspect is a 15-year-old girl. >> have you ever had somebody go in and reach inside you and pull your heart out? that's what it's like. >> breaking news in the case of elizabeth olten who was found in murdered in a heavily wooded area behind her home. a teen suspect arrested in the murder of elizabeth is a 15-year-old girl. >> a 15-year-old committed murder in the first degree. >> the fact that this juvenile didn't immediately call in and say that there was an accident leads me to think that this was something way more nefarious than that. >> police say the teen suspect led them to elizabeth's body last week. the body was found very well concealed in an area where searchers were looking for her.

>> we had been through that area, actually more than once. the body was very well concealed. >> neighbors also tell us that the friend's home where elizabeth was last seen was searched shortly after the body was found friday. >> when these children are indeed attacked or abducted, they usually are dead within 30 minutes to an hour. >> a hearing will be held next month to determine if the suspect will be charged as an adult or juvenile. prosecutors say the sheriff's office requests that the suspect be charged with first-degree murder, indicates they believe the crime was planned. and tonight, a beautiful young virginia tech coed keeps tickets to a metallica concert for six months taped up on the fridge. goes to the concert with all her friends. just before the band takes the stage she goes missing from a packed arena, holding 16,000 people. and nobody knows what happened? found in the parking lot -- her purse and cell phone battery removed.

breaking tonight. grainy concert video emerges of a girl fitting morgan's description. is it morgan? tonight with us live taking your calls, morgan's parents. >> it's grainy video posted on youtube, but some people think the girl in it fits the description of morgan harrington. here's what looks like the same girl from a different angle. we sat down with harrington's dad after he found out about the videos. he says the girl in the video does look similar to his daughter. >> looks like it could be morgan. it's fairly far away, you know, and lots of moving images. but you know, it -- you know, the one thing that doesn't go with it is morgan left with tights on. i just can't remember the timeline of where things are as

to when they took the stage and whether morgan was still in the building or could she have gotten back in the building? >> at the time morgan was at the concert she was wearing a black t-shirt that had the words "pan era" written across it. she was also wearing black knee-high boots, black tights, and a black miniskirt. >> dan and jill harrington say the only way to get their daughter back is information, whether it's videos like this or a detail you may think is insignificant. they say it could be just the piece that connects this puzzle. >> if morgan's out there and hears us, please come home. and if someone has morgan, please let her come home safely. good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. live to the heartland. a 9-year-old missouri girl plays with a little friend, walks home, still daylight, through

her own neighborhood. it's only about 1,000 feet. she never makes it home. tonight the search for 9-year-old elizabeth olten comes to an end. her body found in a heavily wooded area just houses from her own home. bombshell tonight. a murder suspect in custody. it's a 15-year-old girl. >> stunning developments today in the case of 9-year-old elizabeth olten, found murdered in a heavily wooded area behind her home. multiple reports as well as neighbors claim the teen suspect, arrested in the murder of elizabeth, is a 15-year-old girl. >> we came into possession of some written documents. the results of those documents gave us a person of interest. after questioning that individual we were taken to the site where the body was found. >> police will not give details on the teen but do say the suspect led them to elizabeth's body, which was found very well concealed. >> you know, when you have a

small body, it's amazing how hidden they can get. and the second thing is the body may have been brought back after that area was searched. >> meanwhile, moments after the body was found, neighbors say authorities converged on the friend's home where elizabeth was last seen. >> this wasn't a game of hide and go seek gone wrong, that this was actually something ridiculously more serious than that. we're going to be looking at some very, very serious charges. >> a hearing will be held to determine if the suspect will face charges as an adult or minor. police have asked the d.a.'s office to charge the teen with first-degree murder. >> she'd be eligible for what we call dual jurisdiction. if she is eligible for dual jurisdiction she would be transferred to the temporary custody of the division of youth services, where they would provide her treatment and services. >> straight out to ladd egan, news director and anchor with krcg. a 15-year-old girl is the murder

suspect? not just murder. premeditated malice murder one suspect. this was planned? ladd, please tell me i'm wrong. >> you're absolutely right. the sheriff wants first-degree murder charges. which he plainly says this was something that was planned. he says that they have written evidence and they've also talked with this 15-year-old girl and there was obviously some sort of an interview then she walked them into the woods and showed them where the body -- and he said the body was very well concealed. >> okay, ladd -- with me ladd egan with krcg. i don't know how well a 15-year-old girl could conceal a body from detectives, searchers, canine dogs, cadaver dogs, bloodhounds. you know, i need to hear more about this well-concealed body because i find that very hard to believe. but i want to get back to what you just said. you said written evidence.

now, it's my understanding, ladd egan, that an anonymous letter had been sent to police. but you're saying writing. are you talking about the letter, or are you talking about perhaps the 15-year-old girl's diary? >> i asked the sheriff that. i said, you know, is there a letter and is there also other written evidence? and he said now that this case is turned over to juvenile authorities he cannot talk anymore and he would not say if there are two separate things. i listened closely to the press conference over the weekend, and they started out talking about a letter that they received. that led them to the juvenile. and then you know, the juvenile led them to the body. but then he also brought up later that they issued the

charges, or you know, they want to file these charges of first-degree murder because of written evidence. so it's unclear if there's other charges. >> something in that written evidence, be it -- i'm saying there may be a letter from someone that knew what happened. that i would guess, i would put money on the 15-year-old blabbed to. but when you say written evidence, that tells me that this girl was keeping a diary and in that diary she said enough that told cops this was premeditated. and remember, everybody, premeditation does not necessarily mean a long, drawn-out plan such as a poisoning by arsenic over time. malice, or premeditation, can be formed in the blink of an eye, in the snap of a finger, the time it takes you to raise a gun and pull the trigger. that's time under the law for premeditation to be formed. we are taking your calls live. out to patricia in maryland. hi, patricia. >> caller: hi, nancy. i just want to tell you i love you and i love everything you do for everybody. and my question is where are the parents? >> of the -- where are the parents of the little girl, the 9-year-old or of the 15-year-old -- >> caller: no, the parents of the 15-year-old. >> yeah, where are the parents, ladd egan?

what can you tell me about that? where were they when all this was going down? >> caller: well, we don't know the name of the girl. the court authorities today kept on referring to her as a girl. i have sources -- very good sources that have talked to me. it's just we don't know how to get ahead of ourselves when they haven't released her name. we have heard that -- >> wait a minute. you don't know her name? i know her name. i'm not going to say her name because she's a juvenile. but her name is out there. >> i, as well, know her name. and i am told that she does not live with her parents, that she is cared for by other family members. >> well, then, where were they? if they're caring for her, as you said, how was she able, assuming the allegations are true, to do this crime? and let me back it up a minute. with me ladd egan from krcg, joining us, jefferson city, missouri. this little girl, a 9-year-old little girl, minding her own business, coming home from school -- rupa mikkilineni, bring us up to date with the

facts. take it from the beginning. what happened? >> here's what we know, nancy. she disappeared wednesday, when she was playing at a neighbor -- a friend's house. she was supposed to walk home. it was just a quarter of a mile walk back to her house. she didn't show up. 7:00 when she didn't show up the parents called the police. >> back it up. what time was she playing with the little friend? according to my sources, it was still daylight when she went to get -- walk home. >> that's right. about 6:15, still daylight. >> okay. >> so afterwards the police were called. there was a neighborhood search. hundreds of people searching for her for two days. >> hold on. don't mean to interrupt but i just want to clarify. she goes missing around 6:15. the parents call cops around 7:00, right? >> that's right. >> go ahead. >> hundreds of people searching for the next two days, dogs searching. they found cell phone pings in the area. so they knew the cell phone wasn't very far from the area, the neighborhood where she was last seen. and then they got this anonymous tip. either it was a letter. >> again, we're unsure this written evidence the sheriff was talking about. and then immediately afterward this led them to the 15-year-old suspect, who then led them to

the body. >> look at this little girl. this little girl, elizabeth olten, just 9 years old, playing in her own neighborhood. the parents, her parents did everything right. they knew where she was. walking home about 1,000 feet, she goes missing. the search has ended. elizabeth is dead and in custody a 15-year-old girl, booked on murder one. >> she's just a baby. her mom -- i mean, she's a wreck. i mean, she's like i am. and her dad's a wreck.

every night hln's nancy the sheriff said that they received a handwritten note, and he wouldn't elaborate on if someone brought it to them or they found it. and he said that note led them to find this juvenile and then it was that juvenile who led them to the body out in the woods. they even said they went over this area twice and didn't come across the body until this juvenile led them to the body. >> we had been through that area, actually more than once. the body was very well

concealed. >> apparently, elizabeth knew this person. >> a heartbreaking end in the search for 9-year-old elizabeth olten. little elizabeth vanishes walking alone just a short distance from her own home. and she never makes it. >> she's just a baby. she does not deserve this. her family does not deserve this. >> we're not going to be able to spend a great deal on it other than to tell you that the person that led us to this is also a juvenile. >> that's right. the suspect behind bars tonight is not a parolee or an escapee or one of the dozens of registered sex offenders that live in the area. it's a 15-year-old girl. we are taking your calls live, but right now i want to go to a very special guest joining us. vicki olten. this is little elizabeth's aunt. she is joining us from russellville, missouri. miss olten, i thought i knew everything about being a crime victim when my fiance was murdered before our wedding, but i cannot imagine losing john david or lucy. how are the parents? how are her parents tonight? >> they're a wreck. i haven't heard from her dad

today. so i can't imagine how he's doing right now. i know her mom's a wreck. >> you know, just hearing the facts, miss olten, i can hardly take it in. she only had about 1,000 feet to walk. 1,000 feet to get home from her friend's house. and just the shock of a 15-year-old neighbor girl being the suspect. i know the family is stunned. >> it just -- it's so unreal. >> when did you first discover that elizabeth was missing? >> her oldest sister called me about 7:00 and told me they couldn't find her and that they were out looking for her, that while she was headed to her mother's house and then they

went up to the other house where she was supposed to be playing and they said she wasn't there. >> so she started walking home at 6:15. 7:00 the parents were already on the phone with police. the parents did everything right. they knew where she was. she was right there in the neighborhood. just a few houses down. that's why -- i was so dumbfounded when i found out the little girl's body was right there. i don't understand how police didn't find it. now, they keep telling me the child was -- the body was so well concealed. how could a 15-year-old girl trick searchers, police, canine dogs? how did she hide elizabeth? >> i'd like to know that, myself. >> tell me about elizabeth.

in those photos, her personality just beams out of the photos. >> well, when you see that morning sun pop over the mountain, that's what she was. she was sunshine, and you can't help but love her. i mean, she was ornery, she was picking on her brother in this picture you're showing now, here at my house, and it was funny. you just had to be here. >> with me is elizabeth's aunt, vicki olten. we are taking your calls. her parents have received the news, as you are, that a suspect is in custody. it's a 15-year-old neighbor girl, a 15-year-old girl, charged with premeditated murder one. we are taking your calls live. to tonight's case alert. finally, an arrest and murder charge in the stabbing death of an all-american college football star, jasper howard, university

of connecticut. howard's life cut short at a college dance. after an extensive investigation, hundreds of interviews, three suspects who are not uconn students, in custody. one facing murder charges. >> police have arrested the following -- john w. lomax iii, age 21, of bloomfield, connecticut, on the charge of murder and the second charge of conspiracy to commit assault in the first degree.

breaking news in the case of 9-year-old elizabeth olten, who was found murdered in a heavily wooded area behind her home. multiple reports say the teen suspect arrested in the murder of elizabeth is a 15-year-old girl. police say the teen suspect led them to elizabeth's body -- >> if she's eligible for what we call dual jurisdiction, if she is eligible for dual jurisdiction she would be transferred to the temporary custody division of youth services where they would provide her treatment and services. >> treatment? this is a 15-year-old girl. when that speaker was referring to dual jurisdiction, she's talking about this child could be treated as a juvenile, which means even if she got the max, she could walk free in six years at age 21, or will she be treated as an adult? rupa, when will that decision be made? she going to be bound over to be treated as an adult? >> this decision's going to be made on november 18th. this is the certification hearing. tomorrow she's going to be in court for a detention hearing, which will determine whether she

will await her days until the 18th either at home or remain in the detention facility. >> what? they may let her out tomorrow? did i -- did you just say that? >> there's going to be a discussion about that tomorrow at the hearing. >> with who? who's going to be in on that discussion? >> we know she will be appearing with her attorney. we know that the juvenile court will be hearing arguments. >> so it's going to be before a juvenile judge? >> yes. >> okay. let's unleash the lawyers. susan moss, new york. raymond giudice, defense attorney, atlanta. joe lawless, defense attorney, author of "prosecutorial misconduct" joining us out of the philadelphia jurisdiction. sue moss, i'm scared. have you ever known a juvenile judge that was any more harsh than, say, a social worker? they want to sit around a little table and tell the juvenile to write an essay about why they did a bad thing, and then they can go home and have a cookie. i'm not kidding. i practiced in juvenile court before i got to big court, and that's the mentality there.

>> if she is sent home to freely roam -- >> i'll bust a gasket. >> -- then lady justice must be taking a nap. it's absolutely ridiculous. because the reality is if this crime is premeditated she's going to be doing some adult time. you look at the seriousness of the case, the fact that it resulted in death. this kid is not going to be prosecuted in a juvenile hall but in real adult jail, and i think she's going to spend a lot of time there.

as the days grew longer and the search effort came up empty, everyone dreaded the news. >> we came into the possession of some written documents. the results of those documents gave us a person of interest. after questioning that individual, we were taken to the site where the body was found. >> with 9-year-old elizabeth olten's body came the formal charge. >> a 15-year-old committed the offense of murder in the first degree. >> stringent missouri juvenile

laws protect most information in the case. details, including the suspect's gender and any known relationship remains unknown. more than 1,000 volunteers and officials aided in the search, but the sense woodland and hilly terrain complicated efforts. >> we have been through that area, actually more than once. the body was very well concealed. >> we are taking your calls live. out to mike brooks, former fed with the fbi. what do you make of it, mike? >> well, nancy, you know, they're saying it was very well concealed. this is an extremely rural, very wooded area. now, you know, they said they went through there with dogs. again, keep in mind, nancy, dogs are only a tool. they said the first time they went through it was raining. usually, rain is pretty good because the air is more dense. but there again, if this girl, this 15-year-old planned this out, she could have concealed this body. >> to marc klaas, president and

founder of klaaskids foundation, i just don't know how cadaver dogs and bloodhounds could have missed this. plus, we also know now that the body was not far away from her cell phone. the little girl even had a cell phone. marc klaas, she was doing -- the mommy made sure she did everything right. she had a cell phone. she was only a few houses away. 1,000 feet, for pete's sake. >> yeah, it's -- this is a brutal, brutal situation. but before i get into that too much, i would like to offer my condolence to her family. this is just a terrible experience that they're going through. nancy, given -- >> you know what, marc? just pause. >> sure. >> you're right. everybody else is hashing this through, talking about the facts and the evidence, and it's easy to forget that right now there is a family that is devastated, their hearts are broken, they can't even take in that their daughter is gone, their little girl is gone. it's over.

>> absolutely. >> all your hopes, all your dreams, all your love, it's over. and behind bars is a 15-year-old girl. >> given time and circumstance, a killer will do everything possible to cover up their crime. and that includes disposing of the body. remember, caylee anthony was only a few hundred yards from her home, and it took many months to find her. remember, just last week the little girl, somer thompson, her killer tried to dispose of her by dumping her in a landfill. so i think we have to give a little bit of -- we have to give a little bit of credit to the authorities, not for the amber alert they didn't issue when they should have, but for being diligent and ultimately finding the little girl's body. >> you know what?

that's a good point. because good police work, not forensic tools, solved this case. we are taking your calls live. back to the lawyers. raymond giudice, joe lawless. okay, ray, you know how juvenile bind-overs work. the child, as they're called in the law, this is by no means a child, she's a 15-year-old, will be at a hearing tomorrow to determine whether she stays behind bars, which i predict she will -- >> right. i agree. >> and you know, no judge in his or her right mind is going to let an alleged killer, a baby killer, out from behind bars. but then the big question is will she be treated as an adult? as an adult she can get life without parole. >> let me tell you what i would be looking for if i was her counsel. i would gather every single medical record from this 15-year-old from the day she was born -- >> there you go. >> wait a second. wait a second. let me tell what you i'm going to do. >> never ceases to amaze me -- >> get all of her school grades. pretesting. i want to give that judge every piece of information so i can do everything i can as her lawyer, not as the prosecutor, to keep her in the juvenile court. that's my job. >> hey.

>> get a prosecutor to do the other job. >> just because you drag the word out does not make it any more significant. so my question is what do you hope her grades, her school grades are going to tell a judge? >> i want to look for a pattern of this child either having psychological or inability to comprehend the seriousness of the crime. we don't know. a simple iq test could make it so this child, this 15-year-old girl, does not have the sufficient competency, intellectual competency to stand trial as an adult. it could be that simple, nancy. >> lawless? >> nancy, the only thing we know about this child is she's not living with her parents, she's living with other family members, which suggests a living condition that could have impact on her background. we don't know the nature of the crime other than the fact it was a horrible, tragic killing. we don't know -- we -- >> put lawless up. >> we know nothing about the child. >> put him up. i know this much. it's premeditated according to police and -- >> that's what -- >> i'd like to finish. and according to our sources

it's from a diary. so this child that you're referring to that has all these mental problems keeps a diary, a well-written diary with enough detail to clue cops in about what's happening. but let's go to the authority, dr. bethany marshall, psychoanalyst and author of "deal breakers," joining us out of the new york studio. bethany, weigh in. >> nancy, the fact she would in a diary and then possibly told another friend who then told police speaks volumes. and what it tells me is there was a fondness for aggression. whether teens plan to commit violence and they want to do it and they fixate on it, they write about it. we saw this with the columbine killers. we saw this with casey anthony. we see this with school shooters. and usually the mindset of the killer is there is a preoccupation with wreaking vengeance and seeking harm and rendering the victims into a very helpless state. so in this case it's violence for the sake of violence. it's not to cover up another crime like child molestation. it's not to kill a child because

they took your possession like a pair of sneakers or something like that. it's usually correlated with parental aggression, parental brutality, and then carrying that out on a helpless victim. >> and this is what else i can deduce. i don't know this yet, but we know that the child was last seen alive at the home of a little playmate. okay? we know that police honed in on a home in that neighborhood and seized evidence. so one plus one equals two. and that's telling me, mike brooks, that that is the home where the alleged killer lived and that is somehow related to the little playmate where the girl was playing that day. i'm just putting -- i'm cobbling together facts, you know, that are out there. to me it makes sense. >> it makes perfect sense, nancy. if you look at the map we were showing just a little while ago, it shows where the body was

found. it shows her house. and it shows the house that -- where she was there with the little girl. >> i want to go to dr. carey peterson, internal medicine doctor at lenox hill hospital. dr. peterson, she went missing on wednesday. her body was found two days later. she was in the elements. will we be able to determine cause of death? >> i think it will be extremely likely you'll be able to determine cause of death. and the fact she was very well concealed may actually help coroners figure this out. because being very well concealed, to me, means that you're being protected from the elements. rain, water, wind, even animals. so i think -- and also -- >> it's so hard for me to look at this little girl's picture, doctor, and hear you say -- >> it's devastating. it's horrific. and one other thing to mention. is that in a 48-hour period there is decomposition going on but it's still internal.

so the skin is still intact. so if there's any physical injuries such as, god forbid, a knife wound or strangulation, it will be very visible. >> out to the lines. barry in illinois. hi, barry. >> caller: hi, nancy. i just want to tell you i appreciate so much for everything you do for victims who can't speak for themselves. >> thank you. >> caller: and i also appreciate the way you love your two little kids, the way god intended for you to love them. >> i do. >> caller: and this breaks my heart over and over again when i watch your show. but we need to know what's going on out there and the question i was going to ask has already been answered, i guess, by the penalty. this little girl could be tried as an adult. but nancy, that's not enough. we need to get together as a nation and say hey, we're not going to take this anymore. we're not going to kill our kids, we're not going to mutilate their little bodies and destroy families. we've got to have some tougher penalties so people aren't so

apt to do this and then spend 20 years in jail and think, well, they're paying my rent, they're feeding me, we're paying their medical care. it's just not fair. >> have you ever had somebody go in and just reach inside you and pull your heart out? that's what it's like. she is an angel. i mean, they keep going back to the woods. my niece is scared of the dark. x

we miss our little baby. she is our precious daughter. and we hope that this attention can help bring her back to our home. >> morgan harrington was somehow separated from her friends at an arena in charlottesville, virginia. she's a junior at virginia tech, very close to her family, calls home every day, and mom and dad say it is so out of character for her to just disappear with no contact. >> the group of friends that she went with are friends from middle school. you know, from what i understand, she went to the restroom and they then got a call from morgan that she was outside the arena. >> it is suspicious to me that she ended up outside the arena, and it makes me wonder if she

saw someone she knew and walked out. >> people do come up missing. however, it is very, very unusual that we have not heard anything, either from her friends, or from her family, regarding her whereabouts. >> if anyone has seen morgan, either in a store or by the road after the concert, anyone that looks like the description of morgan, please notify the police. it would be very helpful to all of us. >> joining us tonight, morgan's parents, dr. dan harrington and jill harrington. to both of you, thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> thank you for having us. >> i understand that video emerged that appeared to be morgan.

what do you make of it? >> yes. >> to you, dr. harrington. >> well, i think initially looking at the picture i thought, gosh, this could be morgan and morgan's brother came in from new york and said he thought it was morgan. and the more i looked at it i thought no, no, i don't think it is. it gave us hope for a period of time and then, of course, today we learned that that video was not morgan. >> where did the video come from, ms. harrington? >> i believe in this it actually was forwarded to us from this station where we are right now. >> that's correct. one of the reporters here forwarded that film to me. >> now, was the outfit in the video -- i remember, ms. harrington, you told me that she showed you several outfits and you helped her pick out the one. >> right. >> was this similar to that outfit? >> you know, it could have -- it looked like morgan. you know, maybe the hair was a little bit shorter. and it was a very similar outfit, but no black tights. but you know, we were saying, well, maybe if it got really hot she took her tights off. >> right. >> so we thought -- our hearts

leapt when we saw it on the computer, but we were split, even between the three of us that know her. her brother said it's her, her dad said no, and i said i'm not sure. i wanted it to be so badly. >> plus it showed -- oh, man. you know, after my fiance's murder, i wanted to believe so, so much that there had been a mistake. and i know right now you're hanging on to every shred of hope. >> that's right. >> we're trying. >> stacey newman, tell me the latest in the investigation. >> nancy, this investigation is now turning to social networking sites in light of this video that you're seeing here on our air tonight. now that this video's been on facebook and youtube, cops are monitoring those social networking sites very closely, nancy, for photos, videos, any postings that can help them find morgan harrington. >> joining me also, tim martin, reporter with news talk 960. wfir. tim, what more can you tell me?

>> facebook, youtube playing a big role. and with this video police really hoping that would be the clue they needed but ultimately that just wasn't the case. they're getting a lot of tips right now. over the weekend police searched a hotel in the area after receiving a tip, but that turned up nothing. while doing a ground search they found clothing near the university but it wasn't morgan's. right now they're getting a lot of tips. unfortunately not a lot of answers. the good news, the reward continues to grow, now up to $150,000. >> i understand metallica has put in $50,000 into that. everyone, the tip line, 434-352-3467. look at this girl. she looks like a fairy princess. morgan harrington is 20 years old. she's a coed at virginia. 5'6", 120 pounds, blond hair, blue eyes, last seen at this metallica concert. that arena, the john paul arena, holds 16,000 people. somebody knows where she is.

somebody knows what happened to this girl. there's $100,000 riding on your tip. the tip line, 434-352-3467. back to special guests joining us, dr. dan harrington, his wife, jill harrington. these are morgan's mother and father. dr. harrington, you feel sure that foul play is involved. why? >> well, morgan is not the kind of person that would take off. she was really quite close to us. and in fact, the day that she went to the concert she had talked with -- she talked with me about meeting with me the next day to go over math in preparation for a test as well as to help her balance her checkbook. you know, morgan has an apartment that's beautiful in blacksburg at virginia tech.

you know, morgan, we're not monitoring her behavior at virginia tech. she could have friends and -- >> freedom. >> -- freedom that, you know, she doesn't have to run off to have freedom. and you know, this is not behavior that we've ever seen from morgan. i think she was taken. >> and miss harrington, based on the little bit that i've learned from you, i mean, if a 20-year-old is going through her wardrobe with you and you guys together are selecting an outfit for her, i mean, most 20-year-olds don't care about what their mom thinks about what they wear. i mean, their mom doesn't even know they're going to a concert, much less helping them pick out their clothes. ms. harrington, it's my understanding that she may have told friends that she was outside -- she'd gone outside the arena, they wouldn't let her back in and that she was okay, she might get a ride home with other people or they could meet up after the concert. what do you know about her telling her friends inside that she might get a ride home? >> i know that she did tell them that she could get a ride home,

is what we believe. i don't know what that means. i can't think that morgan would leave with someone she did not know. >> exactly. exactly. >> kids think everyone is their friend. they are so trusting. what is your question? >> hi, nancy, thank you for taking my call. what i would like to know is did morgan have a car and have they found it? >> did she have a car? >> morgan's car was not at the arena. morgan drove to harrisonburg so morgan's car was not involved. >> what is your question dear? >> you are beautiful inside and

out. >> however, morgan' story doesn't add up to me. is it possible they know more than they are telling? have they checked the guy at the arena? >> we'll be back with her parents in a few moments.

joining us tonight, morgan's parents asking for your help. >> quickly to lus sa in michigan's question, do you believe that her friends are holding out information and do you know whether the guards at the doors have been questioned? doctor? >> i don't know if the guards

have been questions or not. you don't think the girl is are hiding anything. more ghan wegan went to the res ended up outside of the arena. the question is why did morgan feel that she could get a ride out of the wards. >> do you believe who she went with was a local, why do you say that? >> well, i think charlotte's l charlotte'sville is considered safe and the concert drew people from all over the east coast. but this kind of thing occurs all over the country.

it is usually someone who is comfortable with the roads and not someone just out of the blue driving through town and decides to do this. >> that is an accident analysis. with me, this is the mother and father of morgan. take a look at her photo. you just heard her mother say please, please help us. let's stop and remember army specialist russell hercules, junior. highly decorated with the bronze star purple heart. afghanistan campaign medal. a newly wed shlg loved carniv carnivals, widow crick torial, children christopher and

cadence. american hero. thanks to our guests. a special good night to friends of the show stacey and lisa, aren't they beautiful? congratulations to michael's own show, "street court". everyone i will see you tomorrow night. 8:00 sharp eastern and until then, good night, friend. this is a showbiz tonight news break. brand new star confessions tonight. shocking confessions about oprah and rosies claims of childhood abuse. today for the first time on camera, hulks revelations about how and why he almost killed

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