breaking news tonight. live to the heartland. a 9-year-old little missouri girl plays with a friend, walks home, still daylight, through her own neighborhood, no more than 1,000 feet. she never makes it home. the search for 9-year-old elizabeth olton comes to an end. her body found in a booded area. police converge on one of the homes, the last known sighting of the 9-year-old alive. a murder suspect in custody. not one of the registered sex

fenders in the area. it's a 15-year-old girl. reportedly the sister of little elizabeth's playmate. in the last hours, a judge brings down the hammer in a bid for the 15-year-old girl to walk free. breaking news in the case of 9-year-old elizabeth olten whose body was found near her home. the teen suspect, who is reportedly female is the older sister of the little friend e liz best was last seen playing with. they will not confirm this to hln. >> caller: the sheriff wants first degree murder charges. he says it's something that was planned. they have written evidence and they have also talked with the 15-year-old girl. >> the teen will not be allowed to go home while waiting to see if she'll be tried as an adult

of juvenile. >> the time it takes you to raise a gun and pull the trigger. >> an attorney representing the teen wave waived the hearing today. she will wait until the hearing. >> look at the seriousness of the case, the fact it resulted in death. this kid is not going to be prosecuted in juvenile hall, but real adult jail. kmiz reports the home search after the body was found is the same home the suspect lives in. yesterday, we learn frd neighbors the home search is the home of elizabeth's friend she was last seen playing with. police will not say how the reports are connected. >> the minld set is there is a preoccupation. seeking harm and rendering the victims into a helpless state. >> tonight. live, colorado. the whole country on pins and needles. a 6-year-old boy's life hanging

in the balance in a beautiful, silver space-like balloon soaring through the clouds. an airport and commercial carriers trying to save the life of a 6-year-old boy whose parents swear is trapped inside the balloon. after 60 miles of terror, the balloon lands. no boy. was he dead? was he lying on a ravine with every bone in his body broken? no, he was hiding in the family attic the whole time blurting out on tv it was all for the show. on two morning shows, the boy so nervous he vomits. after a 911 call and the video where the boys sing a rap song their dad taught them full of fill think language. the title so vulgar, i will not repeat. after another attempt of daddy

using the boys for a reality show and a confession from mommy, it was a hoax from the get go. bombshell tonight, just when you think there couldn't be more. home video surfaces on tmz with daddy with one of the boys forcing a cigar into the babies mouth and making it suck on a bottle of beer. we have the video. looks like bye bye reality show, hello cell block. >> no. >> hey, baby.

>> hey, bradford. >> turn the tv on. >> hey, bradford. yummy. bradford. bradford. >> that's good. your hand is in the way. oh, god, richard. >> stop it. stop it. stop it. oh, bradford. bradford. hey, bradford. hey, bradford. bradford. bradford. >> try softer. >> bradford. bradford. >> sing a song to him. ♪ mary had a little lam

♪ little lam. >> bark like a dog. >> bark, bark. >> can you imagine putting a bottle of beer and a cigar in a newborn's mouth? good evening, i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. a 9-year-old missouri girl plays with a friend, walks home, still daylight, only 1,000 feet, she never makes it home. the search for 9-year-old elizabeth olten never makes it home. the murder suspect in custody, a 15-year-old girl. all in court hours ago in a bid for the 15-year-old to walk free. that's right. free. back in the same neighborhood where she allegedly lured and murdered her little sisters 9-year-old playmate.

>> have you ever had somebody go in, reach in and pull your heart out? that's what it's like. >> reporter: new details in the case of 9-year-old e liz best. according to abc news, the accused murderer, a 15-year-old girl is the sister of the friend elizabeth was last seen playing with. police will not confirm with hln. >> a 15-year-old girl is the murder suspect? not just murder, but premeditated. this was planned? >> it's ridiculous. the reality is, if this crime is premeditated rngs she's going to do adult time. >> reporter: the suspect will remain at the juvenile detengs center until november 18. at that hearing, a judge will decide whether the teen will be prosecuted as an adult or minor. cops want her charged with

premeditated first degree murder. >> when teens plan to commit violence and they plan to do it, they are fix sated on it, they write about it. >> the home where the body was found is the same home where the suspect lives. the home is where elizabeth was last seen playing with her little friend. what is the connection? police will not say. >> it's likely you will be able to determine cause of death. she was well concealed. it was help coroners figure this out. >> straight out to lad eagan with krcd. thank you for being with us. what can you tell me? the whole case was in court. there was a bid for this girl to walk free after being accused of luring her little sisters 9-year-old playmate and murdering her? >> caller: yeah.

today, there was schedule add detention hearing. when they got there, however, the 15-year-old's attorney waived the right to the hearing. she will remain at the detention center until the hearing in three weeks that will determine if she's tried as an adult or not. >> we are taking your calls live. out to joe ann in alabama. what's your question? >>. >> caller: how can a 15-year-old do this to a child. how can she get away with this? >> i can tell you this, i would never, at this point, ever, i know it sounds overprotective, let the twins walk home from a play meat's home, even in the neighborhood. abc lultly not. to you, karen stark, psychologist joining us from new york. i don't understand this act.

a 15-year-old girl. aren't they usually playing basketball or soccer or cheer leading or something, 4-h, i don't know. murdering a 9-year-old girl. allegedly the little girl leaves the home and she's lured back into the home by the 15-year-old. >> this is not a normal 15-year-old girl, nancy, which is why i can understand. >> karen, no offense. no offense. you are the shrink, not me. i already know that. she's no normal 15-year-old girl, okay. let's shed different light on it. >> this kind of a 15-year-old girl would not be playing basketball. i would be interesting in seeing, she had behavioral problems. her relationship in abusing animals, what it's like for her in school. it's hard to comprehend. >> again, don't mean to

interrupt you. who cares what her record is in school. she's charged with murdering, premeditated. it's no accident. it wasn't a spur of the moment thing. she lured this child back, a 9-year-old little girl, to murder her. then, according to sources concealed her body so well cops couldn't find it. it was only a few feet away from the child's cell phone and they still couldn't find the body. >> you are right to be outraged. she has a antisocial personality. she's not normal. she wouldn't go ahead and do the things you would think a teenager would be doing. >> agree. let's unleash the lawyers. renee rockwell, john burris, defense attorney, san francisco. renee, now i understand why she was a no-show in court.

to go before a judge and ask to wait at home with mommy and daddy, back in the same home where she lured a 9-year-old girl to her death. are they kidding? >> it was obviously a strategic move. can i just switch back to what karen was saying? it's going to be important what kind of life she led. they are going to determine whether she's handled as a juvenile or adult. >> she's just a baby. her mom, she's a wreck. she's like i am. her dad is a wreck.

a horse drawn carriage carries it remains of the 9-year-old hundreds spent two days searching for. the devastating ending of the search drew dozens back together. >> according to abc news, the accused murderer, a 15-year-old girl is the sister of the friend elizabeth was last seen playing with. >> missouri state statutes to open to the general public. this will be the case unless the juvenile court judge orders it

closed. >> there's no way this juvenile will get a fair trial in this city, county, state. i don't know where my client will get a fair trial once this name is released and the facts of the case are released. >> we are taking your calls live. with me is a very special guest joining us from st. martins, missouri. peggy launs, this is the olten family spokesperson. thank you for being with us. >> caller: hello, nancy. >> miss florence, please tell me how the family is doing tonight. >> caller: well, the family is doing as well as can be expected. the family is a very strong and loving family and pulling upon each other and supporting one another in this terrible time. >> miss florence, according to

all of our sources, this was an extremely safe neighborhood. the mom did everything right. she knew where her daughter was, just down the street with a playmate. it was 1,000 feet away. it was daylight. she had a cell phone for elizabeth to stay in touch with her all the time. >> caller: yes. it was a very safe neighborhood. she did everything right. she was a very loving and concerned mother. >> peggy florence, the family, the olten family knows this 15-year-old girl. is that correct? >> caller: the children played together. yes. >> we are taking your calls. out to lakesia. hi. >> caller: hi, nancy. my family and i thank you very

much for what you do for children and victims. >> thank you. >> caller: i was wanting to wish you a happy belated birthday. my birthday is november 1. i don't know how to contact your show to wish me a happy birthday. >> you stay on the line and our producers will get your information. i want to wish you a happy birthday ahead of time and thank you very much. what is your question, dear. >> caller: i know you might not care, but other people care. i was wondering about the 15-year-old suspect. if she was at the house or where she was at before she killed elizabeth? >> to -- >> caller: you know, before all this happened. >> right. our producer on the story, rupa, it's my understanding she was at the home where they were playing. >> that's my understanding as well. sources indicated she was the older sister of elizabeth's

playmate, in the home at the time. >> i want to go back to peggy florence, the family spokesperson. we read about statistics, homicide statistics all the time. i study them, i pour over them to determine patterns and assessing methods of homicide. i want to talk about elizabeth and what kind of a girl -- >> caller: thank you. thank you. >> -- she was. she's not just a statistic. this was a beautiful, vivacious 9-year-old with her whole life ahead of her. tell me about her. >> caller: i have been with the family since this started and they have shared so many wonderful things with me about elizabeth. her smile, she always was happy. she loved her little nieces and nephews. what she aspired to be when she

grew up, she wanted to be a mother. she wanted to love others and take care of others. she was -- she was -- she was just a lovely child. she was -- she never met an animal she didn't love and dress up and play with. she dressed in fancy little dresses and would run in the snow and play in the mud. she was a beautiful little girly girl, nancy. it had everyone's heart.

she disappeared wednesday when she was playing at a neighbor friend's house. she was supposed to walk home. it was a quarter mile walk back to her house. she didn't show up. when she didn't show up, her parents called the police. hundreds of people searching. they found cell phone pings. they knew the phone wasn't far. they got an anonymous tip, either a letter or the unwritten evidence the sheriff is talking about. this led them to the 15-year-old suspect who then led them to the body. >> we are taking your calls live out to rebecca in pennsylvania. hi. >> caller: hi, nancy. i absolutely love you and watch you every night. >> thank you. i appreciate that. >> caller: i told my mom to watch. i hope she hears me and gets me your book for christmas. i just had a question for you.

i was wondering if they have released anything as far as the autopsy or the manner in which she died? >> out to lad eagan with krcg. i don't believe they have released it, correct? >> they have not. it was done on saturday, but it's sealed until it's said she can be tried as an adult. at that point, we will know more. >> susan moss, reina rockwell, john burris. john burris, i know you're not a stat statustition. this is what they call a soft kill, either a strangulation, a

smothering. there could be a blow to the head, maybe. what is your take? cause of death? >> well, i think you probably have it right. i don't see it as a gunshot of knife case at all. i will say this. it's fair they will have a lot of psychological investigation around this young girl. it's so abnormal. when i have had 15-year-old girls -- >> you know what burris. >> i know you don't like it. >> no. i would be mad in you didn't. 

breaking news in the case of 9-year-old elizabeth olten whose body was found behind her home. the teen suspect, who is female, is the older sister of the little friend elizabeth was last seen playing with. law enforcement will not confirm with hln. the teen will not go home before finding out if she'll be charged as an adult or juvenile. the teen suspect will remain at

the juvenile detention center until the hearing november 18. kmiz reports the home search shortly after the body was found is the same home the suspect lives in. yesterday, we learned from neighbors the home search is the home of elizabeth's friend she was last seen playing with. police will not say how the reports are connected. >> we are taking your calls live. out to pat brown, criminal profiler, author of "killing for sport." pat, i hardly know where to start with you. this is your expertise. weigh in on your profill of the 15-year-old girl. of all the cases i have covered, this has thrown me for a loop. when i see a set of facts, icon injury up in my mind, analytically who i think the perp is. all right. i would have never guessed a

15-year-old playmate sister. never. >> i'm with you there. we haven't had many females do this to young children. we have seen an increase in the teenagers. i'd say my book was called "killing for sport." that's what she did. no remorse. no guilt. maybe watched one too many slasher films. i don't get this fun out of normal teen activities. when you let your child over to play, not only should the playmate be okay, but the sisters and brothers. they might have a creature sitting around the house. >> hey, hey, hey. you are preaching to the choir. they look out the window and there i am looking in. just checking. >> absolutely. >> you cannot be too safe. i want to ask you, in your expertise, the mode of killing. the autopsy report has not been

released. >> right. generally speaking, i think a strangulation. she might like to beat with a rock. not a gun. i think it's hands on. >> back to the lines, mercy in pennsylvania. hi, dear. >> caller: thank you for taking my call. i have two quick questions for you. the first is, do they know for sure if the letter was written by the 15-year-old girl and not somebody else? my second question is, do they have motive, yet? >> good question. we were told yesterday that police were led to the 15-year-old playmate's sister because of written evidence. now, we later thought to be true the girl written out a diary. apparently, there was an anonymous letter that went to

police from who? >> the police are tight lipped about it. they said there was a correspond that led them to the girl. they have written evidence. it leads us to believe there are two separate pieces of information. one is a diary, the other correspondence. >> to dr. kent harshbarger joining us out of dayton, ohio. doctor, thank you for being with us. the autopsy report has not been released. the child's body was in the element for several days, do you think they will be able to pinpoint cause of death? >> sure. they should be able to. being partially buried may help. physical evidence is preserved, it's not in the wind and rain. the remains, out of the sun and elements will slow down

decomposition. analysis should be precise. to former police chief, private investigators, thank you for being with us. tom, what should the police be doing now to prove the case? >> they should be looking in the social network area on the internet, namely myspace accounts. i suspect this individual boasted to somebody in her peer group. that individual might have spoken to a parent and that's how the information found its way to the police. but, all of their -- this child's acquaintances, friends, teachers, they should all be interviewed extensively by investigators in this case. they will come to more information. i won't be surprised people won't come forward and say i heard this was in the plans. >> you know, tom, these pictures of elizabeth are killing me

because, you know, every day, when i look at lucy, i think she is the most beautiful girl i have ever seen. i know, elizabeth's parents thought the same thing about her. i just -- i don't know how you cope with the death of a child like this. back to the lawyers. susan moss, renee rockwell. susan moss, now i understand, the more i hear about the case, why the girl was a no-show in court today. how dare they go to a judge to ask that she goes back to the home where she allegedly lured a 9-year-old little girl to her death. walk free. back in the same neighborhood. >> let her go. oh, heck no. i have to tell you something. lured back by a criminal, any type of juvenile punishment is too minimal. she's going to be tried as an

adult, get an adult sentence. it will be in an adult court. >> that hearing is scheduled in the next weeks. will this 15-year-old girl face up to adult trial on an adult crime? that crime, allegedly premeditated, plan ned malice murder of this 9-year-old little girl. her little sister's play meat. we are switching gears. more out of the balloon boy story. you think you have seen it all. take a look. >> no. >> hey, baby. bradford. hey, bradford. >> where's daddy. >> turn the tv on. take the bear.

take this. >> hey, bradford. yummy. >> tell him to look at the tv. now, get him to look at you. >> bradford. >> that's good. your hand is in the way. oh, god. >> just when i thought lying to the police was bad enough, having your three little boys lie to the police, just so you can get famous was bad enough. allie, all time low. i would rip the hand off somebody that gave a beer bottle to lucy or john david to suck on or a cigar, for pete's sake. >> this is another video, allegedly of the heene family. you can see the oldest boy, bradford, then just a baby. he's propped up on a couch. richard heene is try ing ing to

him with a cigar, putting it in his hand and mouth. you can see him sucking on the beer bottle. >> okay, let's go to the defense attorneys. renee rockwell. you are the defense attorney. has your client lost his mind? the more those people are out there, the more that surfaces that gets worse and worse and worse. >> talking about losing his mind is not going to rise to a level of defense. he's got bigger problems than this. how about conspiracy of contributing to the delinquency of lying. >> you are acting as the defense attorney. i don't need a chore us behind me. we'll show you the video in full. buckle your seatbelt. quickly, to tonight's safety tips. halloween days away. keep safe while trick or treating. don't trick or treat alone or let your children go alone.

supervise them. stay on sidewalks, if you have them. use flashlights. put reflective tape on costumes and bags. never go inside somebody's home, ever. wait outside for candy. wear flame resistant costumes. look over the candy. let your children only eat those wrapped individually and avoid homemade treats, please. drive safely. watch out for trick or treaters. lucy and john david and mommy will be out there. for more information, go to cdc.gov.

>> bradford. >> no. >> hi, bradford. bradford. hey, bradford. >> where's daddy. >> oh, no, turn the tv on. take the bear. take this. >> hey, bradford.

>> oh. >> oh, yummy. >> tell him to look at the tv. now, get him to look at you. >> bradford. >> that's good! your hand is in the way. oh, god, richard. >> stop it. stop it. your hand is in the way. he's bottling the bottle. >> oh, bradford. bradford. hey, bradford. hey, bradford. bradford. bradford. >> try soft talk. >> hey bradford. >> sing a song to him. ♪ mary had a little lam ♪ little lam -- >> bark like a dog. >> woof, woof. >> bark like a cat.

>> my other one will get pissed. pull him out of the way. now, look. bradford. >> he likes it. >> what you have to do. hey, pay attention when i'm talking to you. hey, hey, i'm talking over here. hey, buddy. >> you know, renee rockwell, i was worried about switching the twins from formula to real milk, i thought it might upset their stomach. that's a cold miller genuine draft that baby has in its mouth. it's an infant. >> it's in poor taste -- >> poor taste? poor taste? >> it's not illegal. it's not going to rise to the level of the family getting an entire rescue operation where people could have lost their lives looking for falcon, the 6-year-old that was just hiding

in the attic, if you will. >> neah, thank you for being with us. no. i doubt, since the child is 10 years old, there's going to be prosecution for feeding the baby a beer bottle and cigar, it's part of a long line of using these three boys, whether the reality show we showed you last night or the balloon hoax where thousands of dollars were lost and genuine 911 calls were diverted trying to save the boys life, to the rap song with the vulgar female slur. i refuse to even say it on the air. this is just one in a pattern. >> caller: it is one in a pattern. ability the time you think it's not going to get anymore

bizarre. even if it was a joke, what are you doing releasing this stuff. you don't do it with babies. >> what it reminds me of, see if you can pull up the little boy on the morning show vomiting. the father keeps giving his interview and the mom holds a tuper ware for the little boy. they act like nut sg p happening. >> caller: it's because it's all about dad. >> is it true, to top it all off, the icing on the cake -- here we go with the vomit. there you go. this is off the "today" show. do we have sound on that. >> it's what he was referring to when he made that statement. >> i know, i want to point out the sheriff's office pointed out they believe your account of

what happened, but they want to question you a little more. >> that is meredith viera interviewing heene. it happened on another morning show and they kept on the interview, again. the boy is being ask ed to lion television and to police. the mommy breaks down to admit it's all a hoax. please tell me i'm wrong. i want to be wrong. is it true they are pointing the finger at the sheriff saying they are responsible for wrong doing? >> right. the heene's lawyer asked that the sheriff be investigated. >> wait, wait. richard heene, the daddy who taught the kids this filthy rap song and put it on youtube, he's claiming the sheriff did something wrong. did you say that? >> that's right. they are asking for a criminal

investigation into the sheriff because they say that sheriff mentioned to the press that he had instructed cps to look into the case. >> child protective services. would he, john burris, the sheriff be derelict if he did not refer the case to child protective services? >> it's true. it doesn't mean he has to tell the world about it. >> whoa. whoa. burris, burris. please. let me have a little respect for you. keep it confidential. this family has kept nothing confidential. >> no. no. two wrongs don't make a right. the sheriff is not supposed to give up confidential information about cps. it doesn't mean he gets to waive the rights these individuals have. he doesn't have a right to do that. i can see -- >> he doesn't have a right -- you're saying he has a right to

allegedly provide a horrible home environment, mistreat his children, coax them to lie, but, the public cannot find out child protective services are involved? >> public has the right to find out after the investigation has taken place. >> sue, weigh in. >> if charges against him are a go, this information can be let go. if child protective services brings a petition against this family, the information is free game. >> we'll be right back. as you go to break, happy birthday to florida friend mimi. she loves bridge, vacationing in mexico, devoted to her husband stan, of 67 years. happy birthday, mimi. and to veteran defense attorney

miss rockwell. she's one of five cajun catholic kids. she was wearing purple boots when i first met her. e knew she was a keeper. happy birthday, renee.

now, get him to look at you. >> bradford, bradford. >> oh, your hand's in the way. he's following the bottle. >> you're seeing just surfaced video from tmz of richard heene having his infant boy pose with a genuine draft beer and a c cigar. am i missing something? is there more to this story?

>> we don't know if or when any criminal charnlgs will come down against the heenes. >> wait a minute, look at the screen. see mommy, mayumi, see her telling the story over and over, then she says, she can't speak english. that's the problem. >> st the sheriff's department said she told them they lied. they told the kids to lie. they built the balloon with the purpose of committing this hoax. they're going to wait and decide if they're going to file charges. >> to wanda. >> caller: my question is do you have any information on is this a guy that has ever been on the -- under psychiatric care. he sounds absolutely nuts. >> what do we know?

>> we don't know anything about that. we've heard a lot about his videos. his tv aspirations. >> i blame mommy just as much. she's wiping the vomit from her kid's mouth while they're using the children, having them lie to police for them to get some kind of kooky reality show. let's stop and remember kelly youngblood, just 19. killed iraq, awarding the bronze star, purple heart. dreams of being a soldier thins third grade. loved video games, skateboarding, riding his bike. leaves behind parents, two brothers and two sisters. thanks to our guests but especially do you for being was. see you tomorrow night. until then, good night, friend.

-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight on"the joy behar show." a former female writer from late night with david letterman tells me what it's like to be part of the boys club. and the cookie diet, let it be true. and joining me this the studio, a man who wrestles with his dark side, hulk hogan talks

about his suicide attempt and other chapters in his life.

tonight on "the joy behar show," a former female writer from "late night with david letterman" breaks her silence. dieting with cook kis, does it work? does it not? and joining me in the studio, hulk hogan. he wrestled more than just people. he struggled with a lot of personal demons, too. all this and more tonight. a lot of people go bed at

night watching david letterman. and a lot of female staffers were going to bed with him during the day. this news wasn't a secret to everyone. joining me now is nell scovell, formerly a writer on late night with david letterman. she worked at the letterman show and never had sex with any of the staffers right? >> that's correct. >> i wanted to get that out of the way. tell me what was going on while you were there that made you uncomfortable. you were a writer there for a few months? >> i was the second woman hired there, the first was the great merrill marko. she was my hero before she became my friend. i wanted to be on that show. i wrote on "spy" magazine and "vanity fair" in new york. i applied in 1988, filled out

the submission. didn't hear anything from the show for two years. i got offering in l.a. i work tonight last season of "newhart." i wrote a "simpson's" episode. i got call that dave wanted to meet me. i moved back to new york to take this job. and five months later, i walked away from my dream job because it was a hostile work environment. >> what was going on that made you leave? you loved the job you luved the show. something was going on that made you uncomfortable? >> i was not going flourish. it was just -- a situation where i was -- you know, you talked about it on "the view" yourself. if you're doing your job and working hard and you're in the

middle of a soap opera and that that's not -- i wasn't going to thrive professionally. i diplomat get the memo as a young girl that said you should have low self-esteem and put up with crap. so i quit. >> good for you. some people say you should have stayed. when you quit a job like that, a guy will get the job. >> let me also, historically, it was 1990, a year before anita hill. there was not much awareness of sexual harassment. or favoritism. i knew it was dysfunctional. i didn't know there was legal recourse. i didn't have options. it wasn't my first job in television. i was lucky. a few months later i was work b

on a top ten sitcom, "coach," which i loved. i was on there for over two seasons. >> what was your reaction. by the way, that anita hill story was the tipping point for all of the sexual harassment suits. women ever where realize that these guys cannot get away with that type of behavior anymore. what was your reaction when this all came to light? >> the what? >> the blackmail, the -- >> well, first of all, it was a terrible thing. and no one should be black mald. i should say that. i -- um -- i really did move on. in fact, i had supported dai and the sarah palin joke in an article a few months previously. i had a great quote of johnny carson making fun of lyndon

johnson's daughter. if johnny can do it, dave can. the extortion plot -- dave exposing himself on the air about the plot, that wasn't news. as more people voiced opinions on what it was like in that environment, i talked about "the view" in my article. and the misconceptions. i felt that burden to bear witness. it's crazy. it's just the tiniest injustice. you don't cheese your injustices. they choose you. >> let's talk about the time you spent as a writer in the writer's room. how many women were at the big three shows when you were there? and how about now? >> let's talk numbers. between letterman, leno, and the tonight show. there are about 50 comedy writer. exactly 0 are women.

>> 50, 5-0. is that what you said? >> yeah. there are 14 male writers on letterman right now. historically, in 27 years, there have only been seven women writers on the show. so today, there are twice as many men as in all 27 years. >> do you think that comedy sufrs, that these shows sufficiented because they don't have women writers? >> oh, absolutely. >> it's like they never put a woman in late night and all of the men are running late night and the comedy writers, and the stars, tland just isn't a shot. i'm very happy that wanda sykes is getting a late night show. it's very hard to break through that. >> um, yeah, i do think that -- you know, the funniest room writer's room that have i been in was when i was at "murphy

brown." it was split exactly half and half. it was the funniest and always the crudest, probably. and, you know, one of the reasons i wanted to become a comedy writer, i saw a movie called "real life." and albert brooks wrote with a woman, with monica johnson. i think, the more viewpoints, the more comedy. if everyone is shooting for same joke target and no someone off looking in the weeds for the unexpected, then whole product suffers. >> thank you, nell, for coming on the show. i know you blew off a couple other shows to be here. i appreciate that. >> i appreciate what you had to say on "the view." >> now i would like to bring in jami floyd. i would like to read part of what she wrote. there's a subset of sexual

harassment called sexual favoritism. speak to that as a lawyer. >> it's what nell wrote. it is what i would have written. sexual harassment is not just about sexual touching or activity. it's about a hostile work environment that makes one group, generally women, feel uncomfortable in the work environment in any way. it can be about posting pictures that may be offensive or sexual favoritism. in an environment where some women are receiving favors because they are having sex with the boss or other men in the environment in power, those that choose not to plaths participate are at a disadvantage. let's call the women out. it's about the sisterhood. girlfriends, if you're

participating in this, you're not helping. >> we're running out of time already. it's impossible for somebody to report david letterman to human resources. something to going happen. he's a multimillion dollar organization in himself. what is a girl to do? she had to leave. >> it's interesting you brought up anita hill and the eeoc. there are laws. there's a greater recognition of what is legal and what is not. the law can only go so far. there comes on point where society has to take ate step further. we, as individuals, the morality has to go where the law has gone. law can only do so much. >> amen. coming up next, eat cookies to lose weight? that sounds like really good idea, stick around.

have you heard of the cookie diet? you can eat six cook kis today. that's not a diet, that's a way of life. joining me now discuss it is dr. sanford siegel. hello, how are you? >> hello, joy. >> how does it work? >> the dieter is required to eat six cook case day to hem suppress his or her hunger and a ma meal at night. there's only one meal, that's the evening meal. the cookies alleviate your hunger.

the total calorie count, 1,000 calories a day. everyone loses weight on that. >> that's not enough food for a person. what is in the cook kis, amphetamines? >> no, the cookies are strictly a food. you said that's not enough food for the average person. of course it's not. that's what we want. not enough food. >> i could never sustain 1,000 calories a day. i'm too busy, too active. >> i have had 500,000 patients over the last 34 years who were able to sustain it. the point is that if you're not hungry, and hung sir the main problem in dieting, if you're not hungry, you can live on 1,000 calories a day. you can lose weight. >> i don't know what is this the cookies that are suppressing your appetite.

i tried diet pills in college, all i did was cry. i never lost a pound. those kinds of stimulants are not healthy for you. >> joy, there are no stimulants in my product. my product is 100% food. but they are foods that are known to be hunger suppressers. >> like what? tell us what it is? >> the general term is protein. there are specific proteins. let me tell you how this came about. i was writing a book on the subject of foods gnat are hunger suppressers in 1975. i put together a formula based on knowledge that was in the literature at that time that certain mixtures of amino acids are far more hunger suppressing than carbohydrates. i baked them into a cookie, no

drugs. it was an instant success. >> i just tasted one. it's not that great to taste, have i to be honest. is that part of the diet that you don't want to eat more co cooki cookies? >> no. there are various reactions pop some people love them, some people say they're all right, some people truly don't like them. we don't care if they like them. the cookie is not for entertainment. it's for a serious medical problem which is overweight. and i have treated 500,000 patients with this cookie over the last 34 years. i can tell you that they're well tolerated. some people actually like them. i don't want them to like them too much. because that's what got us into trouble to begin with, liking our food too much. >> okay, thank you very much,

dr. siegal for coming on the show. now i want to bring in my panel to talk about the diet. joy bauer, jorge cruz, and dr. michael rosean. the co-author of you, the owner's manual. i tased the cook kis. they taste like insulation. would you like one? >> i'll smell one. >> i think maybe i'll pass. >> what is in the cookie? >> i took a look online. two grams of sugar, 11 carbohydrates. there is protein in there. i didn't see how much online. >> the combination of protein and fiber, he is right. it keeps you fuller for longer. you can get the same effect and lose weight from having a one

serving bowl of cereal with skim milk. you request get the same effect from real food as well. there's nothing dangerous in the cookies. >> here's the unfortunate thing for me. i'm trying to start a revolution. it's based on a lot of larry talb's book. what we're doing right now is a conventional world. in terms of what conventional doctors is saying. calories is the problem. we eat too much and don't exercise enough. we hear that all the time. >> i'm so sick of that explanation. >> it's wrong. this diet is based on that philosophy that less is more. i tell people, that doesn't work. if you starve yourself -- >> you won't keep it off. dr. siegal says you need quick weight loss to not feel

discouraged. what do you think of that? >> what you want is a steady weight loss plan you can stay on for the rest of your life. weight cycling, the quick loss and regain is much worse for your health than slow, steadily loss or maintaining a higher weight. in fact, what you want is a slow, steady rate. the second point is it's 1,000 calories. which, if we could stay on, if people can stay on it is a calorie restriction diet. it would be great to stay on it forever. people can't. that's one of the problems. >> the other good news is when you just start eating better and you reduced your calories from what you normally eat, the first couple of weeks, you will see that euphoric drop on the scale. >> it's mostly water, isn't it? >> it's so great to see, the first few weeks, a significant drop, it gives you the staying

with it power. then you have the slow, consistent weight loss afterwards. it's easy to bring these things to work. >> but you can't meet your friends at a restaurant for lunch. >> this is the most important thing. i represent a lot of new fore front thinking. the idea that calories, in the sense of how many you eat, don't matter as much as the kind of calories. the number one driver of weight gain is all insulin. if you eat 500 carries of cheese, meat, proteins, the whole grain cashes, the right amounts of sugars, not too much, you will keep your insly levels low. in america, everyone is doing this. everyone is in a high insulin state. when that happens, we constantly lock in fat and what i call belly fat. it never goes away.

if you want the lose fat, you have to keep insly levels low. >> or get liposuction. next, stay way from that fridge all of you out there.

i have tried just about every diet there is. i tried the atk irk ns. you get sick eating so much meat. i got fruits. i don't eat a lot. at night, before i go bed, if there's cookies, cake, ice cream, i devour it. cakes, cookies, pies, brownies. give me the light food, i devour it. we just watched a woman going on about dieting. wanting to get up at 1:00 in the morning for a snack.

>> we're conditioned to do that. go back before there was processed, refined products. when we found that in nature, we were hunting and fathering, it was so rare that our taste buds were drawn to it. sugar is everywhere. >> you want more and more. that's what we end to have. >> a lot of people think it's avoiding the sodas. i've been working with president clinton about getting sodas out of schools. people are drinking more orange juice, if you drink it in quantity, than cola. >> it's all of the liquid calories. they don't satiate you like the solids. >> one orange, that is fine.

a glass is made up or six, or seven oranges. >> we talked about cheese before. the latest thing i hear is i don't oath dairy, from skinny girls all over new york city. i wouldn't look at yogurt. i don't eat cheeses. what do you say? >> it's looking at what you're eating. is it proe ten, fat, or carbs? most cheeses don't have any sugar. if it doesn't have sugar, it doesn't spike insly. >> however, full fat cheese, although it doesn't have sugar, it has artery clogging fat. it won't raise your insly levels, it will -- i argue with you here. i'm all about the dairy. i want to promote low fat and nonfat dairy. >> nonfat dairy tastes like

rubber. >> i disagree. >> let's hear what the doctor things. >> food is not let's make a deal. we get addicted to saturated fat and salt. cheese has a lot of both. not only are those addictive, they turn on genes that cause inflammation. the cholesterol effect is a little bit. the gene effect is a huge amount. it's got to be protein without saturated fat. if you're not going to die like a cigarette addict. they are a great appetite suppress sant but we die early because we're changing genes. >> the french women that say they don't get fat is because they smoke. that's why --

okay, i'm back and we're talking about how to lose weight. that's a reason to stay tuned, right? joining me are registered dietitian, you bauer. jorge cruise, and dr. michael roizen. let me start with you. before we go, i want a tip. doctor, tell me what can i do this week to lose a pound or two. just one week, give me your answer. >> walk 30 minutes every day. call a buddy, tell them you're

doing it. the second thing is avoid white food. >> no white food, rice, bread, pasta. how about cheese? >> cream sauce. anything that is white other than white fish. >> that is so racist, i love it. >> what the american heart association recently released. i spoke to the proe voes at the university of vermont. everything they talked about about cheese and high cles roll was wrong. they said sugar was the primary cause of heart disease. get six servings of the rich, fibrous carbs. get the bowels healthy. >> no sugar and more -- >> avoid, you need to make sure anything that increases insulin, sugars, processed carbs, those

two things are the most detrimental to our health. four the nine pounds is what i talk about any my new book. >> a woman gets the last word on this. >> two tips, omit liquid call ris. the sodas, juices, coffee concoctions. enjoy the sandwiches open face. if you eat a sandwich every single day, at the end of the month, you've saved 30 slices of bread. >> let's talk about fad diets. the cookie diets. the atkins diet. the grape fruit diet, the zone diet. or south beach? >> at the end of the day, it's about your own person that willty. what can you sustain? you need to eat less and move more. i think will tl are options out there for all different food

preferences and lifestyles. again, eat less, move more. watch the weight come off. pig something you can stick with. >> jorge, dr. roizen said walk more. >> i've been doing it for ten years. you know me as a fitness expert. i've changed a lot of my philosophy. i exercise and walk for cardio health. that's the cover of "time" magazine that put in on the cover. >> that makes it gospel? >> we're more overweight and eating less. >> you heard that. what do you think? >> pat of what he said is absolutely wrong. when you exercise, you increase insulin uptake. you increase its effectiveness. he's arguing for getting foods

that don't increase insulin. one of the ways to increase insulin is doing a little exercise consistently every day. the second thing is, with the zone and atkins, if you make them more like south beach, which is more healthy fat rather than unhealthy fat with the protein, it's much healthier for your body because you don't stimulate -- >> what do you think about burst exercise. go for 12 minutes at a normal pace, then for 30 seconds to a minute, increase, increase, increase. do you like that? >> it's the intensity that you're getting is excellent and sit healthy. >> there you go. >> if you enjoy it. >> no one enjoys any of this. >> the bottom line with exercise -- you enjoy it when it's done. i find this with so many people

that i personally work with. and this is why i argue with what you said, it puts people in a positive mind set. to then make smart food choices later in the day. >> i don't want anyone watching. have i 5 million books out there. i exercise. i believe nit. it makes you feel good, keeps your mustles young. but the science, the new science that has just come out, the more you exercise, the more you build your appetite. if you needed to gain weight, go exercise it will build up your appetite. that's what they said in the 1950s. >> exercise doesn't burn so many call ris. it doesn't show that you are put in a feel good mind set. >> what is the last word on exercise? >> three components make a

difference. resistance, any exercise, walking, and a little cardio. that's for your health. we look for in a diet is not just getting thin. it's getting thin and living with a quality of life that you want. that is those three components combined. >> okay. >> and the most important thing, i tell people that the fat you have on your body is not your fault. a lot of people beat themselves up. they think it's their fault. the science has misled us babt the conventional wisdom has been about counting call ris. if you can do that for life, you will be the first person to be able the eat cook ies for the rest of your life. portion control. >> i hate portion control. >> i know. >> so do i. >> i am sorry to be the dreg to bring it up.

at the end of the day, the only thing you can truly eat unlimited amounts of is going to be nonstarch yrks vegetables. >> isn't it better to eliminate something than to have portion control? >> if you can do that, if it doesn't backfire. if it's a personal trigger food, you have one and it opens up a pandora box and you have to have 1,000. if you can have a small amount. that's okay. back in a minute with hulk hogan.

one, two, he goes. ladies and gentlemen, the winner of this bout, and the new world wrestle federation heavy weight champion. >> inside the ring he had to deal with opponents like andre the giant and the undertaker. in his new book, hulk hogan paints a bleak picture of abuse, anger, affairs and suicidal thoughts. welcome to the show. ky call you hulk? >> that's awesome. >> what is you real name? >> that's terry. >> terry? >> that's like saying santa

clauss' name is bob. >> but you know, your book is filled with all sorts of things. suicide attempts, abuse. didn't anything nice happen to you? >> a loft great stuff. >> it opens with a horrific revelation that you nearly -- you discuss a suicide attempt. tell me about it. >> i bottomed out. i had a whole budge of things happen in a short amount of time. lost my family, had a show on nbc, a prime time show, the first day on the set i got hit with divorce papers in front of a sound stage and arena full of people. >> the reality show? >> it was american gladiators, a prime time show. that hit me at once. and just a bunch of things happened. my son had an accident. and i went through some crazy things trying to get through the

shoot. we had a bunch of episodes ordered. i just couldn't get out of it. when i went back to the big house my family grew up in. everything was gone. the kids weren't there, my wife was gone. we were animal freex. we had animals. all the animals were gone. every closet, the clothes were gone. there were pictures all over the house of my family. >> why didn't she take the pictures? >> i don't know. i was in so much pain from my back and hips. i had a chair in the bth room. i could on the shave half my face. i had a chair in the bathroom pi i found myself sitting in the chair and it was like, it came on all at once. after 23 years of marriage, everything was over. and i just found myself going back to kind of like the old wrestler attitude. i grabbed the bottle of liquor,

an old bottle of xanaxes. i started drinking the bottle. as the day went on, my gun was there. i don't remember getting it. i remember hiding the gun in the safe. >> she left the gun and the pictures. >> i remember hiding the gun in the safe because i didn't want to turn into another phil hartman. have i the gun. i thought anybody that attempted suicide was a coward. i had no idea cow could slip into this situation. i was playing with it, messing with it. it went on for several days. my neighbor called me, a friend of mine, bubba, called me. eric, another friend. i thought i was doing good saying i'm okay. then finally, laila ali called

me. she said, we're so worried about you. you left l.a., we're so worried. hearing her voice snapped you ome out of it. you were toying with it and decided not to do it. >> i just hypnotized myself. >> did it change your attitude to suicidal people? one woman i know tried to kill herself because she was very ill. she said it's impossible to do. very hard to do. it takes a certain kind of guts to do it almost. it's not a cowardly thing. >> i couldn't do it zblp you could not do it? >> i could continue to it. i didn't understand why everything changed so fast. >> the wife, your wife, 23 years with her. you said it was horrific to live with her. what was she doing? >> she was unhappy.

>> for 23 years? >> when we started out, i mean, i'm still madly in love with her. she's a great person. i know that person. that taps linda that i married. she had a desire to move back to los angeles. my work was on the east coast. we made several attempts to go back and forth. i kept several homes in l.a. her desire to go back where she started, my year wcareer was ge bigger and bigger. the drinking never stopped. i asked her, the kids asked her. she went to the betty ford clinic for awhile. it go to an aggressive, violent relationship. instead of saying hello, every word was the "f" toward me. >> the booze was doing it? >> i think so. >> she said over the holidays in

2007, she sank into a depression. she said, i didn't have a gun, but i didn't want to live. >> she filed for divorce. over the years, no matter what i took. >> but both of you were very crazy it sounds at that time. >> i don't know her situation at that time. >> she told "people" magazine at that time. >> they said there was going to be a war. i didn't understand that either. >> how did that happen? >> there were serious hard times. her attorney, a.j. out of miami, made a statement to "people" magazine that this is going to be a war. that was the one thing that i begged linda, don't file for divorce. please don't file. when she publicly filed, that changed me. all of a sudden, she told the

public she didn't want to be with me. didn't want to be married. >> do you think the lawyer geeked her up a little? >> i don't know. >> you said to "rolling stone" i could have turned everything into a crime scene, like o.j. cutting everybody's thoroat. you know a 19-year-old boy is sleeping in bed with your wife. i totally understand. i get it. she was sleeping with a 19-year-old boy. >> she's in love with one of the children that went to school with one of my kids. >> she's still with him? >> yes. >> how long now? >> almost two years. >> really? >> it was a situation where when you love in a town, you're proud to be from that town, your a world champion, everybody looks up to you, then serve saying there's a young kid driving your

cars, motorcycles, boats, sleeping in bed with your wife, it does something to you as man. you have to take the high road or the low road. i was saying, am i going to go down the tubs and be a statistic or aim going take the high road? i understand how people can do the wrong thing, make mistakes. i chose to take the high road. i remained silent. >> well, o.j., from what i understand, was in a lot of abuse for a long time. there wasn't hitting in your relationship? >> no. >> she was sleeping with a kid. ho old is your wife? >> 51. >> she must have something that this 19-year-old is attracted to her. what do you think? unless he's a -- idiot. >> well, what i'm saying the you

have to make a decision in life. sometimes you have to say, okay, do i want to become a statistic. do something really stupid? >> but you people flip out and go crazy. i understand how a situation can happen and someone can flip out. i understand now. >> you said you're still in love with your wife. she's a wonderful person. yet in your book you call her an abusive alcoholic. who do you write this? >> i understand. the know the person she was when i married her. i know who that person is. as things went along, i went through a situation, i thought it was normal to yell and scream and have chaos and hear cuss words all the time. i didn't understand that mentally and verbally that sometimes when you hear that all the time, whether you call it abuse or manipulation, at the time i thought that's how life was. when i snapped out and got sick and tired of being sick and tired, what i call breathing clean air, i realize how wrong

that was. that's not normal, that's not how things are. i went through this crazy period and survived it. >> i see that. okay. we'll be right back with more hulk hogan after this.

you just tell me, brother -- >> all right. a front chin lock. how about it, t? >> keep it like that for a little while. he's all right. he's just sleeping. he's sleeping. really. he'll be all right. >> i'm back with hulk hogan. do you remember that? 1985? >> you guys have all the old stuff. >> we have access to everything. this is cnn stuff here. we have it all. you put my friend, richard belzer, into a sleeper hold. this is what happened in those days. you were a real tough guy.

he then sued you and bought a house in france. >> i think it was cass sa dell hogan, the name of the house. >> maybe you can do something for me. i can use a summer home. >> wow. >> let's go back to you. you're dating now i hear. >> well, i've got a girlfriend. >> you have a girlfriend. >> yes. >> it's not dating. this is like a real thing. >> yeah. >> how long are you dating? is she 19? >> no, she's not 19. god, you're brutal. you're brutal. >> i heard -- howard stern says your girlfriend looks like your daughter. does she? >> i think howard stern's wife looks like my daughter. tu shay. >> you can fight that one out with him. no, i was just thinking, maybe you and your wife have in common you like someone younger. it's up to you. i'm not judging. i'm just saying. all right. fine. now, you also just announced you're returning to pro

wrestling. you're 56. i don't want to when an ageist, but, you know, those guys that you're going to go up against are going to be a lot younger than you. is there a senior citizen match? >> we can do a jerital match. >> that will be good. >> i don't know if i'm going to get back in the ring and wrestle. >> you're not? >> i don't know. you never know. i would love to say i could jump off the top rope and go crazy. i think i understand the business a lot and can help these guys get along. i don't want to go to the glue factory when i'm ready to go to the racetrack. >> i see. what scares you, besides your wife? >> you know, nothing really scares me. >> nothing scares you? >> no. no. >> come on. >> it doesn't. >> you'll take on anybody? >> no, i don't mean -- i thought you meant other than physical. i'm scared to death. i don't like confrontations. >> you're a big pussy cat but act like a tough guy. >> that's pretty close. >> uh-huh.

all right. >> are you hitting on me? >> no. >> okay. >> i'm over that. i'm post menopausal. nothing turns me on anymore. do you and linda maintain a friendship, i'd like to know? >> no. >> you're not friends? that's the reason the book. >> no, that's not the reason. >> you love her, she's adorable. >> you're missing the whole point. >> i'm pushing your book now. >> thank you. the reason i wrote the book, i went through two years of having the carpet pulled out from under me. there's a lot of people that are on tv now that have homes and problems with jobs and losing their homes. you know, i looked at my life and decided to take the high road and pull a nose up on this thing. you know, there's a lot of things i'm doing which i don't want to -- just following the spirit of christ. positive. that -- >> we didn't get to the religion. oh my goodness. you'll have to come back again. >> thank you. i love you too. >> thanks to the hulk and thank you all for watching. good night, everybody.

breaking news tonight. live, to the heartland. a 9-year-old little missouri girl plays with a friend, walks home, still daylight through her own neighborhood. no more than 1,000 feet. she never makes it home. the search for 9-year-old elizabeth olten comes to an end. her body found in a wooded area just houses from her own home. police converge on one of those homes, last-known sighting of the 9-year-old alive. breaking tonight, a murder suspect in custody. no, not one of the registered sex offenders in the area, not a

parolee, the suspect is a 15-year-old girl. reportedly the sister of little elizabeth's playmate. in the last hours, a judge brings down the hammer in a bid for the 15-year-old girl to walk free. >> breaking news in the case of 9-year-old elizabeth olten, whose body was found in a heavily wooded area behind her home. the teen suspect who's reportedly female, is the older sister of the little friend elizabeth was last seen playing with. law enforcement will not confirm this report to hln. >> the sheriff wants first-degree murder charges which he plainly says this was something that was planned. he says that they have written evidence and also have talked with this 15-year-old girl. >> the teen will not be allowed to go home while waiting to find out if she will be tried as an adult or juvenile. >> malice or premeditation can be formed in the blink of an

eye, in the snap of a finger, the time it takes you to raise a gun and pull a trigger. >> an attorney representing the teen waived a hearing today. >> look at the seriousness of the case. the fact that it resulted in death. this kid is not going to be prosecuted in a juvenile hall, but in real adult jail. >> also today, kmiz reports the home search shortly after the body was found is the same home the suspect lives in. yesterday we learned from neighbors that the home searched is also the home of elizabeth's friend she was last seen playing with. police will not say how these two reports are connected. >> the mindset of the killer is there is a preoccupation with wreaking vengeance and seeking harm and rendering the victims into a very helpless state. tonight, live, colorado, the whole country on pins and needles. a 6-year-old boy's life hanging in the balance and a beautiful

silver space-like balloon soaring through the clouds. police, sheriffs, national guards, even an airport and commercial carriers trying to save the life of a 6-year-old boy whose parents swear is trapped inside that balloon. after 60 miles of terror, the balloon lands. no boy. was he dead? was he lying down a ravine with every bone in his body broken? no. he was hiding in the family attic the whole time, blurting out on tv it was all, quote, for the show. on two morning shows, the boy so nervous he vomits. after an alleged domestic abuse 911 call and a video where the boys sing a rap song their dad taught them, full of filthy language, the title so vulgar, a slur on women, i will not repeat. and after another attempt of daddy using the boys as fodder for a reality show and a

confession from mommy it was all a hoax from the get-go, bombshell tonight. just when you think there couldn't be more, home video surfaces on tmz of daddy with one of the boys as an infant, forcing a cigar into the baby's mouth and making the baby suck on a bottle of beer. we have the video. looks like bye-bye, reality show, hello, cell block. >> no. >> hi, baby.

hey. >> take this. >> here, bradford. oh, yummy. bradford? bradford? >> oh, that's good. your hand's in the way. >> stop it. stop it. >> your hand's in the way. >> oh, bradford. bradford? hey, bradford. hey, bradford. bradford? bradford! hey, bradford. bradford? >> sing a song. ♪ mary had a little lamb, little

lamb ♪ >> bark like a dog. >> woof. >> meow like a cat. >> no, my other one will get pissed. >> can you imagine putting a bottle of beer and a cigar in a newborn's mouth? good evening, i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. a 9-year-old missouri girl plays with a friend, walks home, still daylight, only 1,000 feet. she never makes it home. the search for 9-year-old elizabeth olten comes to an end. her body found in a wooded area just houses from her own home. bombshell tonight. the murder suspect in custody, a 15-year-old girl. all in court, just hours ago, in a bid for the 15-year-old to walk free. that's right, free, back in the same neighborhood where she allegedly lured and murdered her little sister's 9-year-old playmate. >> have you ever had somebody go

in and just reach inside you and pull your heart out? that's what it's like. >> new details emerge in the case of 9-year-old elizabeth olten found murdered in a heavily wooded area behind her home. the accused murderer, reportedly a 15-year-old girl, is the sister of the friend elizabeth was last seen playing with. police will not confirm this report to hln. >> a 15-year-old girl is the murder suspect? not just murder, premeditated malice murder one suspect. this was planned? >> it's absolutely ridiculous. because the reality is, if this crime is premeditated, she's going to be doing some adult time. >> the suspect will remain at the juvenile detention center until her certification hearing november 18th. at that hearing, a judge will decide whether the teen will be prosecuted as an adult or minor. cops want the teen charged with premeditated first-degree murder. >> there was a fondness for

aggression. whenever teens plan to commit violence and want to do it and fix sate on it, they write about it. >> according to kmiz, the home searched right after elizabeth's body was found, is the same home where the teen suspect lives. neighbors told us yesterday, the home was where elizabeth was last seen playing with her little friend. what's the connection? police will not say. >> it will be extremely likely you'll be able to determine cause of death and the fact that she was very well concealed may actually help coroners figure this out. >> straight out to ladd egan, news director and anchor with krcg. thank you for being with us. what can you tell me, the whole case was in court. it's my understanding there was actually a bid for this girl to walk free? after being accused of luring her little sister's 9-year-old playmate and murdering her? >> yes. today they were scheduled to have a detention hearing in the

juvenile court system, and when they got there, however, the 15-year-old's attorney waived the right to the hearing. so she will remain at the detention center for the -- the youth detention center until the hearing in three weeks from now that will determine if she'll be tried as an adult. >> out to joanne, alabama, hi, dear. >> caller: hey. i want to know how a 15-year-old can do this to a child. i watch you talking about your twins and i have grandchildren, myself, you know, that goes and plays with their playmates. how can she get away with this? >> i can tell you this, joanne in alabama, i would never, at this point, ever, and i know it sounds overprotective, let the twins walk home from a playmate's home. even in the neighborhood. absolutely not. to you, caryn stark, psychologist joining us from new york. i don't understand the sigh copthy behind this act.

a 15-year-old girl? aren't they usually plays basketball or soccer or cheer leading or something? 4-h? i don't know. murdering a 9-year-old little girl and allegedly the little girl leaves the home to go home and she's lured back into the home by the 15-year-old. >> this is not a normal 15-year-old girl, nancy -- >> caryn, no a fence. you're the shrink, not me. i already know that. i already know she's no normal 15-year-old girl. okay? so let's shed different light on this. >> this kind of a 15-year-old girl would not be playing basketball. this is a 15-year-old girl i would be interested in seeing probably has behavior problems. i would want to see what her relationship is in abusing animals, what it's like for her in school. it's hard to comprehend -- >> caryn, again, don't mean to interrupt you, but who cares what her record is in school.

i mean, she's charged with murdering, premeditated. that means it's no accident. wasn't a spur of the moment thing. she premeditatedly lured this child back, a 9-year-old little girl, to murder her. then, according to sources, concealed her body so well cops couldn't find it. it was only a few feet away from the child's cell phone. they still couldn't find the body. >> well, nancy, you're right to be outraged because this is somebody who has an anti-social personality. the best i can tell you is that it would be her inclination to do something like that. she's not normal. she wouldn't go ahead and do the kinds of things you think a teenager would be doing. >> let's unleash the lawyers. susan moss, new york. renee rockwell, defense attorney atlanta. john burris, defense attorney san francisco. rene, now i understand why she was a no show in court. to actually go before a judge

and ask to wait and home with mommy and daddy? back in the same home where she allegedly lured a 9-year-old girl to her death? are they kidding? >> well, nancy, it was obviously a strategic move, but can i just switch back to what caryn was saying? it is going to be important what kind of life she led because they're going to determine whether she's going to be handled as a juvenile or an adult. >> she's just a baby. her mom, i mean, she's a wreck. i mean, she's like i am. her dad's a wreck.

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the truth. >> do you trust them? because that what this case comes down to. >> steven bochco's "raising the bar" mondays at 10:00 on tnt. pick up nancy's new book "the eleventh victim" available now wherever books are sold. a horse-drawn carriage carries the remains of the 9-year-old girl hundreds spent two days last week searching for. the devastating ending to that search drew dozens back together. >> according to abc news, the accused murderer who was reportedly a 15-year-old girl, is actually the sister of the friend elizabeth was last seen playing with. police will not confirm this report to hln. >> missouri state statutes allows for a and b-felony cases involving juveniles to be open hearings to the general public. this will be the case unless the juvenile court judge orders a close. >> there's no way this juvenile

will get a fair trial in this city, county, state. i don't know where my client would get a fair trial once this name is released and the facts of the case are released. >> we are taking your calls live. with me right now, a very special guest. joining us from st. martins, missouri, peggy florence, the olten family spokesperson. ms. florence, thank you for being with us. >> hello, nancy. >> ms. florence, please tell me how the olten family is doing tonight. >> well, the family is doing as well as can be expected. the family is a very strong and loving family, and they're pulling upon each other and supporting one another in this terrible time. >> ms. florence, according to all of our sources, this was an extremely safe neighborhood.

that the mom did everything right. she knew where her daughter was. just down the street with a playmate. it was about 1,000 feet away. it was daylight. she had a cell phone for elizabeth to stay in touch with her all the time. >> yes. it was a very safe neighborhood. she did everything right. she was a very loving and concerned mother. >> peggy florence, the family, the olten family, knows this 15-year-old girl. is that correct? >> the children played together, yes. >> we are taking your calls. out to lakisha in aiindiana. hi, lakisha. >> caller: hi, nancy, first of all, my family and i thank you

very much for what you do for the children and victims and i was wanting to wish you a happy belated birthday. my birthday is november the 1st. i don't know how to contact your show to wish me a happy birthday. i would appreciate if you could wish me one. >> you stay on the line and our producers will get your information. i want to wish you a happy birthday ahead of time. thank you very much. what is your question, dear? >> caller: i know you might not care, but other people might care. i was wondering what the 15-year-old suspect, if she was at the house or where she was at before she killed elizabeth? >> to rupa mikkilineni -- >> caller: before all of this happened -- >> right. -- our producer on the story. rupa, it's my understanding she was at the home where they were playing. >> that's my understanding as well. sources have indicated she is the older sister of elizabeth's play mate. she was in the home at the time. >> i want to go back to ms.

peggy florence, the olten family spokes person. you know, ms. florence, we read about statistics, about homicide statistics all the time. i study them. i pore over them to determine patterns and assessing methods of homicide. but i want to talk about elizabeth and what kind of a girl -- >> thank you. >> -- she was. what can you tell me? she's not just a statistic. this is a beautiful, vivacious little 9-year-old with her whole life ahead of her. tell me about her. >> i've been with the family since this started, and they have shared so many wonderful things with me about elizabeth. her smile, she always was happy. she loved her little nieces and neph nephews. what she aspired to be when she grew up, when she was a little girl, she wanted to be a mother.

she wanted to love others and take care of others. she was -- she was just a lovely child. she was -- she never met an animal she didn't love and she didn't dress up and play with. she dressed in fancy little dresses and would go run in the snow and play in the mud. she was just a beautiful little girly girl, nancy, that had everyone's heart.

she disappeared wednesday when she was playing at a neighbor friend's house. she was supposed to walk home. it was a quarter mile walk back to her house. she didn't show up. 7:00 when she didn't show up, the parents called the police. hundreds of people searching for the next two days. dogs searching. they found cell phone pings. they knew the phone wasn't far. they got an anonymous tip, either a letter, or, again, unsure, this written evidence the sheriff was talking about. immediately afterwards this led them to the 15-year-old suspect who then led them to the body. >> we are taking your calls live out to rebecca in pennsylvania. hi, rebecca. >> caller: hi, nancy. i just want to tell you i absolutely love you and watch you every night. i'm a huge fan. >> thank you, rebecca, in pennsylvania. >> caller: i told my mom to watch and i hope she hears me and gets me your book for christmas. so -- i just had a question for you.

i was wondering if they have released anything as far as the autopsy or the manner in which she died? >> out to ladd egan with krcg. i don't believe they have released the autopsy report, correct? >> they have not. we do know it was completed on saturday. it's sealed because the juvenile court proceedings. at that point, we will know more. >> let's unleash the lawyers. susan moss, renee rockwell, john burris. john burris, i know you're not statustigs. when you think back over the murder cases you have defended and i'm looking back over the murder cases i prosecuted and investigated. i would imagine just based on our anecdotal statistic memory that this what was a soft kill, either a strangulation, a smothering. there could be a blow to the head maybe. what's your take, cause of

death? >> well, i think you probably have it right. i don't see this as a gunshot or knife-type case at all. i will say this. it's fair they will have a lot of psychological investigation around this young girl. it's so abnormal. when i've had 15-year-olds in murder cases -- >> you know what, burris? >> i know you don't like it. >> no. i would be mad in you didn't. a jury will probably take it with the same box of salt that i am.

breaking news in the case of 9-year-old elizabeth olten whose body was found in a heavily wooded area behind her home. abc news reports the teen suspect who was reportedly female is the older sister of the little friend elizabeth was last seen playing with. law enforcement will not confirm this report with hln. the teen will not be allowed to go home while wait to find out if she will be tried as an adult or juvenile. an attorney representing the teen waived the detention hearing today. the teen suspect will remain at the juvenile detention center until the certification hearing november 18th.

kmiz reports the home searched shortly after the body was found is the same home the suspect lives in. yesterday we learned from neighbors the home searched is also the home of elizabeth's friend she was last seen playing with. police will not say how these two reports are connected. >> we are taking your calls live. out to pat brown, criminal profiler, author of "killing for sport." pat, i hardly know where to start with you. because all of this is your expertise. i want you to weigh in on your profile of this 15-year-old girl. i have to tell you something, pat, out of all the cases i've ever prosecuted, investigated, or covered, this one has really thrown me for a loop because when i immediately see a set of facts, i conjure up in my mind, analytical analytically, who i think the perp is. all right? i would never have guessed a 15-year-old playmate sister. never. >> i'm with you there, nancy. we haven't had many females do this to young children.

we are seeing an increase of violence among those teenagers these days. my book was called "killing for sport." that's what this girl did. she killed for sport. cold-blooded psycho path. no remorse. no guilt. maybe watched one too many slasher films. i don't get this fun out of normal teen activities. when you let your child over to play, not only should the playmate be okay, check those parents out, brothers and sisters. it you don't trust the family implic implicitly, don't go over there because you may have one of these creatures sits around the house. >> hey, hey, hey. you are preaching to the choir. john and lucy's teachers, there i am looking through the window and there i am looking in. just checking. >> absolutely. >> you cannot be too safe. i want to ask you, in your expertise, the mode of killing. the autopsy report has not been released. >> right.

generally speaking i think you're right. you have a strangulation-type thing, a suffocation. this girl might like to beat somebody with a rock or something like that. i don't think guns. possibly a knife. i tend to think it's going to be a hands-on kind of thing. >> back to the lines. mercy of pennsylvania. >> caller: hi, nancy, thank you for taking my call. i have two quick questions. >> okay. >> caller: i have two quick questions for you. do they know for sure if the letter was written by the 15-year-old girl? and not somebody else? and my second question is, do they have motive yet? >> good question. to rupa mikkilineni. we were told yesterday police were led to the 15-year-old playmate sister because of written evidence. now, we later thought to be true that the girl had written out a diary, but apparently there was an anonymous letter that went to police from who? what do we know? >> the police are being tight lipped about this but they did announce initially there was

some type of correspondence which led them to the 15-year-old suspect. later they said when they were charging her with first degree premeditated murder they had written evidence which leads us to believe there were two separate written information. one possibly a diary, the other correspondence. we don't know to who from possibly the suspect. >> to dr. kent harshburger, medical examiner, forensic pathologist, joining us out of dayton, ohio. again, the autopsy report has not yet been released. the child's body was in the element for several days. do you think they'll be able to pinpoint cause of death? >> sure. they should be able to. being concealed like that it might be partially buried, will help in the short time interval. physical evidence may be preserved. not out in the rain, the wind watching away potential evidence. it will help slow down decomposition. analysis should be precise. >> to tom shamshak, former

police chief, private investigator, instructor at boston university. tom, thank you for being with us. tom, what should the police be doing right now to prove this case? >> well, nancy, they should be looking in the social network area on the internet, namely myspace accounts. i suspect that this individual boasted to somebody in her peer group and that individual might have spoken to a parent and that's how the information found its way to the police. the -- all of this child's acquaintances, friends, schoolmates, teachers, they should all be interviewed very, very extensively by investigators associated with this case. they will come to some more information and i won't be surprised that people won't come forward now and say that, yes, i had heard this was in the plans. >> you know, tom, these pictures of elizabeth are just killing me because, you know, every day when i look at lucy, i think she

is the most beautiful girl i've ever seen, and i know elizabeth's parents thought the same thing about her. i just -- i don't know how you cope with the death of a child like this. back to the lawyers. susan moss, renee rockwell, john burris. susan moss, now i understand the more i hear about this case why the girl was a no show in court today. how dare they go to a judge to even ask that she goes back to the home where she allegedly lured a 9-year-old little girl to her death. walk free. back in the same neighborhood. >> let her go, oh, heck no. i have to tell you something. lured back by a criminal? any type of juvenile punishment is too minimal. this girl is going to be tried as an adult. she's going to get an adult sentence. i don't care how many psychological tests you throw at

that judge. it will be in an adult court. >> that hearing is scheduled in the next weeks. will this 15-year-old girl face up to adult trial on an adult crime? that crime? allegedly premeditated, planned malice murder of this 9-year-old little girl. her little sister's playmate. we are switching gears. more out of the balloon boy story. you know, you think you've seen it all. take a look. >> bradford. >> oh, no. >> hi, baby. bradford. hey. hey, bradford. >> turn the tv on. take the bear. take this. >> baby. hey, bradford.

>> ooh. >> now get him to look at you. >> bradford, bradford? >> that's good. your hand nie's in the way. >> just when i thought lying to the police was bad enough, having your three little boys lie to the police just so you can get famous was bad enough. ellie jostad, all-time low. i would rip the hand off somebody that gave a beer bottle to lucy or john david. to suck on. or a cigar for pete's sake. >> yep. well, this is another video allegedly of the heene family. in this video you see the oldest boy, bradford, then just a baby. he is propped up on a couch. richard heene is trying to pose him with a cigar, putting it in his hand, in his little mouth.

you see him right there sucking on the beer bottle. >> let's go to the defense attorneys. rene rock fell, you're a defense attorney. has your client lost his mind? the more these people are out there, the more surfaces. it gets worse and worse and worse. >> talking about losing his mind, that's not going to rise to any level of a mental defense. he's got much bigger problems than this, nancy. how about little bit of conspiracy or contributing to the delinquency of a juvenile, having those children lie like he did? >> let me remind you, ms. rockwell, you're asking as the defense attorney. very quickly, we are taking your call s live. we'll show you the video in full. quickly, to tonight's safety tips. halloween a few days away. please keep safe while you're trick-or-treating. don't trick atreat alone. don't let your children go alone. you have to supervise your children. have them walk in groups. stay on sidewalks.

use flashlights after dark. put reflective tape on costumes and bags. never go inside somebody's home. never. wait outside for candy. wear flame resistant costumes, accessories like fake swords and knives should be short and flexible. look over the candy. let your children only eat those that are wrapped individually and avoid homemade treats, please. drive safely. watch out for trick ore treaters. lucy and john david and mommy will be out there. for more information, go to cdc.gov.

bradford. >> oh, no. >> hi, bradford. bradford. hey. hey, bradford. >> turn the tv on and take the bear. take this. >> hey, bradford. >> ooh.

>> look at the tv. now get him to look at you. >> bradford? bradford? >> oh, that's good. your hand's in the way. oh, god, richard. >> stop it, stop it. >> hand's in the way. he's bottling the bottle. >> oh, bradford. bradford? hey, bradford. hey, bradford. bradford? bradford? bradford! >> try soft talk. >> bradford. >> sing a song to him. ♪ mary had a little lamb, little lamb ♪ >> bark like a dog. >> roof, roof. >> meow like a cat. >> nope. my other one will get pissed. hey, bradford, pay attention to when i'm talking to you, son. we're going to pull the bottle

away. now look. bradford, bradford. what you've got to do -- pay attention to when i'm talking to you. hey, hey, hey. i'm talking over here. hey, buddy. >> you know, renee rockwell, i was worried about switching the twins from formula to real milk. i thought it might upset their stomach. that's a cold miller genuine draft the baby's got in its mouth. thoughts? >> nancy, again, it's in pour taste. it's not illegal, nancy. it's not going to rise to the level of the family getting an entire rescue operation where people could have lost their lives looking for falcon, the 6-year-old, that was just hiding in the attic, if you will. >> let's go to niabinder. thank you for being with us. no, i doubt since the statute

has run, the child is now 10 years old, there isn't going to be prosecution for feeding a baby a beer bottle and a cigar. it's part of a long line of using these three boys. it's that cooky reality show we showed you last night or the balloon hoax where thousands of dollars were lost and genuine 911 calls were diverted trying to save the boy's life in a balloon who wasn't in there, to the rap song with the vulgar female slur? it's -- i refuse to even say it on the air. this is just one in a pattern. >> it is one in a pattern. about the time you think it's just not going to get any more bizarre, it does with this shocking video. and i have three kids. i mean, i can't even fathom doing something like this. you know, even if this was meant as some kind of joke, what are you doing releasing this stuff?

you know, my question is is, you don't do this with babies. >> you know what it reminds me of, nia, rosie, see if you can pull up the video of the little boy on the morning show, falcon, vomiting, and the father just keeps giving his interview. the mom holds a tupperware over for the little boy and they all act like nothing's happening. >> that's because it's all about dad. it is. the whole thing is all about dad. >> nia, is it true that to top it all off the icing on the cake -- here we go with the vomit. there you go. this is off the "today" show. do we have sound on that? >> that's what he was referring to when he made that statement. >> and i know i want to point out that the sheriff's office said last night they believe your account of what happened, but they do want to question you a little bit more. >> that is meredith vieira interviewing heene while his kid

vomits in his lap and then it happened on another morning show. and they just kept on with the interview again. the boy's being asked to lie, not only on national television, but to police. the mommy breaks down and admits it was all a hoax. to ellie jostad, please tell me i'm wrong. is it true the heenes are now pointing the finger at the sheriff saying they're responsible for wrongdoing? >> the heenes' lawyer, the lawyer for richard heene, ask the sheriff be investigated. >> wait, wait. richard heene, the daddy who caught the kids this filthy rap song and put it on youtube? he is claiming the sheriff did something wrong? did you say that? >> that's right. they're asking for a criminal investigation into the sheriff -- >> of the sheriff? >> into the sheriff because they say that sheriff mentioned to the press that he had instructed cps to look into the case.

>> child protective services. wouldn't he, john burris, the sheriff, be dir elect in his duty if he didn't refer to the cps child services? >> this is confidential information. >> burris, please. let me have a little respect for you, okay? keep it confidential? this family has kept nothing confidential. >> no, no, no. the issue over going -- two wrongs don't make a right. the sheriff is now supposed to give out confidential information about somebody's referral to cps. he's not supposed to do that. that doesn't mean just because the other people have committed criminal conduct he gets to, himself, waive the particular rights these individuals have. he doesn't have a right to do that. i can see where he can be -- i doubt if he gets prosecuted. >> you're saying he has a right to allegedly provide a horrible home environment, mistreat his children, coach them to lie, but

the public cannot find out the child protective services are -- >> the public has the right to find out but only after an investigation has taken place -- if you want to prosecute them p criminally, do that. that's public. >> charges against heene are a go, information can be let go. the way it works is if child protective services brings neglect or abuse petition against the family, the information is free game. >> we'll be right back taking your calls, but happy birthday to florida friend mimi. 87 years old and loves bridge and vacationing in mexico and devoted to her husband stan, two children, two grandchildren and two greats. happy birthday beautiful mimi and veteran atlanta defense attorney, miss rockwell. she is one of five cajun

siblings. she took the courthouse by storm. she was wearing purple boot when is i 50 met her. this was when we couldn't wear long pants to court. i knew he was a keeper. happy birthday, renee.

>> bradford! bradford! >> your hand's in the way. >> stop it. stop it. >> your hand is in the way. stop holding the bottle. >> you are seeing video off tmz of richard heene having his infant boy pose with a genuine draft beer and a cigar. ellie, am i missing something? is there more to the story other than this?

>> in addition this, we don't know if or when any criminal charges will come down against the heenes. >> wait a minute. ellie. look at the screen. see mommy, mayumi. look at her telling the story on national tv over and over and over with a straight face and then she said she can't speak english. maybe that's the problem. >> right. according to the sheriff's department, she told them that they lied and instructed the kids to lie and built this balloon with the purpose of creating a hoax. that's according to prosecutor, but they will wait and ask for more information before they decide whether to file charges. >> hi, wanda. what's your question? >> caller: my question is, do you have information on if this guy has ever been under psychiatric care. he sounds absolutely nuts.

>> we don't know anything about that. we heard about the videos he posted and the tv aspirations and nothing about psychiatric care. >> i blame mommy just as much. there she is wiping vomit from her kid's mouth while they are using the children and having them lie to police for them to get a cookie reality show. let's stop and remember army private first class kelly youngblood, just 19 from arizona, killed iraq. dreamed of being a soldier since 3rd grade. remembered for sense of humor and big heart. loved skateboarding and riding his bike e. kristin and david parents and two sisters. thanks to our guests, but especially to you for being with us. see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp eastern.

until then, good night, friend. >> this is a "showbiz tonight" news break. here's what's coming up at the top of the hour. new claims about michael jackson's this is it. does it exploit michael? i saw the movie and i will let you know what i think. andre agassi's crystal meth

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