right now on "showbiz tonight," mad over michael's movie. tonight, the explosive new claims about michael jackson's "this is it" as the movie opens around the world. >> one more time. ♪ >> tonight, the great debate about new claims the movie exploits michael and the movie should have included jackson's drug use. we have seen the movie and wait until you hear what we found

out. >> the andre agassi drug shocker. the legend's startling confessions about using crystal meth and marriage to brooke shields. >> levi johnston's claims that he had bombshell secrets about sarah palin. his words on the cbs early show. >> i have things that would get her in trouble and could hurt her. will hurt her. >> tv's first most provocative entertainment news show starts right now. >> i'm a.j. hammer broadcasting tonight and every night from new york city. mad over michael. the michael jackson documentary "this is it" opened around the world today and i have seen it, but i can tell you there is explosive controversy surrounding the movie.

all of this made for big news around the world. people lined up to see the movie about the rehearsals for what was supposed to be jackson's big concert come back. there were explosive accusations that the movie exploits michael and covers up his addiction to drugs. on the same day the movie opened, the former plastic surgeon makes wild claims he fuel-injected michael with drugs 51 times. at the screen r screening of "this is it" and editor for "in touch weekly" and a correspond ept for inside edition. we were right there at the hollywood premier last night and everybody out celebrating his live and talent. there is a dark side here getting a lot of attention. claim that is the film exploits michael's legacy and ignores the

controversy over his addiction and a protest to the movie. do you buy the theory that this film exploits michael? >> absolutely not. this movie is a celebration of who michael was. not only an entertainer, but a real person. you never got to see that side of him before. it was a mesmerizing experience. i can only say that. i didn't know if i would be able to see the show, but i am grateful kenny ortega did what he did. >> people are on your side. they said back off, it's an important movie. jermaine and all the brothers were there and jermaine said nothing but good will come out of this film. watch this. >> this is going to show the humane side to him and show people what he was prepared to do. >> the world will learn my brother is say human being and a wonderful person.

they will see that. >> i think despite the fact that it was a rehearsal, we got to see his humanity. i saw the movie and as a base line, i think anything making money off the michael jackson theoretically does exploit him, but the truth is this is a movie. the fans want to see it and this is a movie people who are going to see the concerts deserve to see and anyone who may have been wavering about his talent should see his movie. do you think this movie is at all exploitive to jack? >> not hugely so in that it's not up close and personal look at michael jackson the man, but the artist. the fact that they have it in theaters so soon after his death is a little bit exploitive and making as much money as they can, yes. is the film itself? no. let us show you evidence of his drug use. not at all. this is a look at michael jackson, the artist.

>> we will see the protests and not mentioning the drug use. some are protesting this online movement with the website called this is not it. one of the beefs they have is they say it gives a distorted view of his health in the last day of his life. the whole point was to honor michael jackson and give us a glimpse of his talent. is there anything wrong with this film only wanting to show michael in the best light? >> par said it. this exploitive film will come. of the numerous reviews, it was not an exposy and a documentary, but a tribute to the life and legacy of michael jackson. it is what the fans wanted and it was almost two hours of incredible songs and dance moves we love to see and people got to see him perform one last time.

>> it was enjoyable and what a spectacular concert it would have been. the effects and everything else is mind blowing. some people who were explain being this went as far as to say parts of the film had a body double. not as far as i could tell, but who knows. you shouldn't be able to tell. kenny ortega is the choreographer for the movie and concert series and said the idea of a body double is a bunch of bum. >> it's all michael and unguarded and raw and real and he is beautiful. >> this body double thing is an outrageous claim, but there complaints that they should have shown the dancer's reaction to the news that they learned michael died. i think that would have been exploitive. did kenny have an obligation to include the bad with the good.

>> i don't think that would have made the movie better. that was a personal thing that the cast had to go through and having worked with michael jackson day after day. that was something they needed to keep to themselves. that would have gone down the route of exploitation. it was tasteful leaving that out. >> i wasn't watching this thinking he died. what i did think was sadness for the dancers and the close-knit family of the people living out their dreams. some of michael's family members is he would not have wanted his fans to see him rehearsing because that shows him imperfect and wanted them to see the finished polished product. paula adbul said his performance was top notch. >> it's an important movie to see. michael would never want anyone to see him halfway rehearsed, but he gave full out even during

rehearsals. >> that are said, don't be disillusioned. he held back his voice to save him. it was raw footage that you are seeing and very unpolished at times because it was rehearsal footage, but that was fascinating about it. michael's performance, will it satisfy fans? >> will it satisfy fans and for those of us including myself who wanted a look at the man behind the man in the mirror, you are dissatisfied. he never lets his hair down literally. you don't see him joking and talking about his children and you get a sense of michael jackson, the artist and less of the man. >> i would like you to chime in on that because i wished i had seen more context. we have seen very little behind the scenes footage of michael. we have seen home video and interaction with the dancers and the way he went through the creative process, but a little

more context is pretty much the only thing i was hoping for. >> that are would have been nice. we saw michael as the micromanager. he was so meticulous, a perfectionist in every sense and it would have been nice to get the insight as to how he was as a guy hanging out and messing up a rehearsal here and there. this shows you what type of a performer he was. if you questioned that he was one of the greatest performers who ever lived this movie will prove it. >> as i said at the beginning for anyone who waivered in their opinion of michael with the drama that surrounded him, this will remind him that this is a great artist. >> a hardworking one. you see him sweat. the one thing that is open to criticism is he goes on and on for his love for the environment and the fear for the planet and looking at the size of this production, these were huge productions. >> you are going on there.

thanks to all of you. do not forget you can read more on the movie in the latest issue of "people" magazine on newsstands friday. we will reveal the shocking claims by michael's dermatology that he gave him 51 injections in the three months before he died. that is coming up. andre agassi's shocking drug confessions. the tennis star is speaking out. this is unbelievable. talking about using crystal meth and revealing a lot about his marriage to brooke shields. shocking stuff. levi johnston said he has a lot of dirt left to dish about sarah palin. is it pay back time for what sarah said about him? >> are you hurt by all of this? >> i was, yeah. now it's like all right, now it's my turn. >> wait until you hear what levi has to say about the kind of dirt he has on sarah palin. sex and the series. a woman willing to trade sex for

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>> welcome back to "showbiz tonight." i'm a.j. hammer in new york. a showbiz special report. oh, so fabulous. star who is makeover 40 look fabulous. they teamed up to bring you the story of some of hollywood's biggest star who is seem to get better and better with age. the women we are about to reveal prove that age is nothing but a number. here's brooke anderson.

>> your visa application is denied. >> 45-year-old sandra bullock plays a woman desperate to get married in the proposal. her body of work goes way beyond that. >> oh, my god! >> who can forget halle berry's sexy turn as a bond girl in die another day. >> magnificent view. >> it is, isn't it. >> it sure is. they are women over 40 in hollywood and they really know how to pack a punch. >> they say 40 is the new 30. i don't know. maybe 40 is the new 20. today women in hollywood when you reach 40, you become the woman that you are. that shows in their work. >> it sure does. "showbiz tonight" and more magazine are teaming up to

reveal top hollywood women in film make 40 look absolutely fabulous no matter what part they play for the camera. say hello to 60-year-old merrill streep who plays the fashion editor miranda priestly in the devil wears practiced a. >> you have no style or sense of fashion. >> that are depends on what you're -- >> no, no. it wasn't a question. >> there is no question streep could pass for the real julia child in the movie julie and julia. streep is so good that sigourney weaver said she thinks it's streep's best work yet. >> i thought she was absolutely so flooded with life and light and just i thought she was awesome. >> so do we, but she is not alone. let's hear applause for 51-year-old michelle pfiefer.

everybody's favorite cat woman. >> i had to go home and feed my cat. meow. >> she made black spandex look great. pfiefer looks great in real life too. >> she said she works at it and works hard at the gym and does it almost every day. >> working hard is just another day in the life of our next fabulous over 40 star, cate blanchett. she channelled bob dylan in i'm not there. >> i'm not the president. >> and cate has proven time and time again she is more than a pretty face. remember when she starred in elizabeth that same year? >> she shaved her eyebrows and shaved her hair back. >> i have a hurricane in me!

>> these daring women in film set the bar high and makeover 40 look absolutely fabulous, giving women everywhere a reason to celebrate. >> they are certainly not the only fabulous female stars over 40. kim bassinger and sarah jessica parker, susan sarandon and there is more. we asked you who you think should be on the list. i will read the comments in a few minutes. pick up a copy of this month's more magazine on newsstands right now. >> everybody wants to be starting something. people calling in from all over the place. a lot of reaction to the michael jackson movie, this is it. deanna thinks michael's father joe should not profit. >> this is about mr. jackson

receiving money from the film, i don't think it's fair one bit. i think he should never get another penny. he ought to live on what he's got and nothing else. >> we heard from sharon calling in from indiana. she said it's fine for the jackson family to be making money from this movie. >> caller: everyone else who is not a jackson is getting paid off michael jackson, why shouldn't a jackson get paid? i think the jacksons should benefit. >> the phone lines are open all the time. 888-sbt buzz is the number. >> levi johnston has plenty of dirt left to dish. >> i have plenty of things that would get her in trouble and hurt her. >> what are kind of secrets is he keep something we want to know. andre agassi's shocking drug confession. wait until you hear what he has to say about how much crystal

meth he used to do. he has something to say about being married to brooke shields as well. things get really dark on the late, late show with craig ferguson. you have to see something totally unexpected in the middle of his interview with a big, big star. this is "showbiz tonight" on hln. it is time for the "showbiz news ticker." more stories making news right now. >> you are watching "showbiz

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showbiz caught on tape. last night on the late, late show, he was interviewing alicia silver stone who is a vegan and things went to the dark side. >> it must be awful for you to go after people eating meat. >> it's fine because i want people to know it's not all or nothing. you can take good steps to get there. >> all right. it's getting close to halloween. this is awesome. everybody quietly.

keep going. keep going? >> it took nearly five years for alicia to come here and the lights go out. you know what's weird, it's kind of like one of the movie that make a million gozillion dollars. >> there was a power outage in the building, but craig handled it like a comedy pro. the lights went out as soon as he closed her book. patrick swayze's wife speak out for the first time since his death six weeks ago. she was married to him for 34 years and there was a part of her that believes she will see him again. she spoke at a grief conference in california and said she is relying on close friends to get her through such a painful time. just a few minutes ago we teamed up with more magazine to reveal

the top 10 women in hollywood to makeover 40 look fabulous. we asked you who you thought should be on the list. what a great response we got here. a few of the comments we received, elizabeth r. rights sandra bullock because she looks so fresh and seems so youthful. jennifer aniston and court no cox. older ladies, but wonderful. you can follow us on twitter for breaking entertainment news alerts. sign up at c cnn.com/showbiztonig cnn.com/showbiztonight. here's what's coming up at the bottom of the hour. andre agassi's shocking drug confession and speaking out about using crystal meth and levi johnston's secrets about sarah palin. >> if she is going to say stuff about me, i will leak things on her. >> he said he's got the dirt on sarah. shocking claims from michael

jackson's dermatology about how many injections he gave jackson in the months leading up to his death. this is "showbiz tonight" on hln. more stories from the newsroom making news right now. >> right now i want you to keep on watching the bottom of the screen. nonstop and compelling news from "showbiz tonight." ninininininini

>> now on "showbiz tonight," andre agassi's agonizing confessions. tonight the former bad boy tennis star tells all about using crystal meth. his never before heard revelations about his marriage to brooke shields. michael jackson's new doctor shocker. his movie debays and his former doctor reveals the mind blowing number of infections he gave him weeks before he died. what the doctor wants and why. brand-new today, levi johnston's explosive sarah palin

claims. >> i have things that would get her in trouble and could hurt her. >> seriously, levi, are you on a one-man mission to destroy your son's grandmother? tv's first most provocative entertainment news show continues right now. >> welcome back to "showbiz tonight." tonight and every night from new york city. andre agassi's shocking confessions about using crystal meth while playing tennis and his marriage to brooke shields. what we learned about the tennis legend from the tennis legend is jaw-dropping. agassi has written a tell all book and when i say tell all, i mean he tells all. that made for big news breaking

today. he was the bad boy of tennis. with his long hair and persona, he ruled the tennis courts and the airwaves in the 90s. >> that ought to wake up the country club. >> "showbiz tonight" can tell you he is revealing a shocking secret. at the height of his fame, he used crystal meth. >> here revealed he was a user and was introduced to it by his assistant and it affected his game. part the new issue of "people" magazine has excerpts about his drug use. he said i never felt so alive, so hopeful and i never felt such energy. i don't sleep for two days. he said he got a huge scare when he failed a drug test. faced with a suspension, he admits he lied his way out. >> he said he drank a soft drink

from his former assistant and spiked his own soda with crystal meth. he drank it and that's why the test failed. >> that are incident scared him away from drugs and wrote i have never been so disgusted with myself. i told my coach i'm done with drugs. he also dishes about his two-year marriage to brooke shields. >> he said he had a jealous streak. >> he writes about a jealous fit he threw as he watched brooke tape a guest appearance on friends. >> these are life-giving hands. i want to be near them and touch them and maybe even lick one. >> he was very angry and pushed the door open saying he wouldn't going to wash brooke lick his hand. >> he is now married to steffi graph. remember the long hair he was

known for? let's say it wasn't all him. >> one of the biggest revelation is that he was wearing a hairpiece. >> even more than the hairpiece, it's the crystal meth admission people are talking b. >> image is everything. >> for image really is everything, is agassi's image in danger. >> although his image may take a beating, he is doing great work with children and runs an organization that helps children who are victims are war and persecution. he launched a charter school in las vegas. all the great work he is doing with his wife and kids is going to help and the negative image that came as a result of the revelations of drug use. >> is agassi a rebel without a cause or are the shocking revelations an ace for his career? we have in new york megan alexander who is with inside

edition. a lot of people having a really hard time wrapping their heads around agassi's revelations, especially that he used crystal meth when he was a tennis superstar and people find it so hard to believe. what were you thinking? >> it was shocking. i always have been a huge andre agassi fan, but in his article with "people" magazine, he said if you are going tell your story, you owe it to yourself to it honestly. i admire him and imagine keeping that secret for so long. it's interesting that he feels he needs to reveal it and has to admire him for telling the truth. >> good point and another point he makes is that the name of the book is open. i don't have a choice. i have to be open about everything. you have to hear how he describes the first time he used crystal meth. he writes his assistant dumped a

small pile of powder on the coffee table and he cuts it and i snort some. there is regret and sadness and then comes a tidal wave of euphoria. i never felt so alive and hopeful and above all, such energy. this is a guy known as one of the greatest tennis players of all time. what do you think an admission like this now does to his leagacy? >> i don't think it affects it. his image is set in stone for a long time. he's in a sport that the average retirement sage around 30. everything he accomplished and all the transformations from being a bad boy to a good boy, that is his legacy now. him doing the crystal meth is his bad boy days. she just being honest and he's probably beating someone to the chase. his assistant or tennis official ratting him out. it's better to hear his words on his terms.

>> i agree. another story that is breaking on the same day michael jackson's movie "this is it" opened worldwide, we hear from his dermatology who made incredible claims in the lawsuit against jackson's estate. in the documents, the estate owes him almost $50,000 for dermatology services. he claims that he performed 179 procedures on jackson three months before he died. it states kline gave jockson 51 injections of demerol within three months of his death. maybe he was up against a filing deadline, but wow. what a case of bad timing. do you agree? it comes across as insensitive filing the claim as the movie made to honor jackson hits theaters. >> i agree. it seems to be very poor taste to file on this particular day when we are celebrating what a

great entertainer he was. it reminds us that so many people wanted a piece of michael jackson and still do. so many people are looking for their way to cash in. even dr. kline who spoke out on being a good friend of his for so many years. still going after the money. >> listen, if he was owed money by jackson and his estate has an obligation to pay that. i don't know if you dismiss a $50,000 claim because michael died. i'm not saying that, but days after he died, he was right there on "larry king live" and talked about the drugs that he used when he treated michael. watch what he says. >> i used sedatives for when he had surgical procedures, but he had a severe burn from the pepsi commercial and hair loss when he contracted lupus.

>> what was the strongest medication you gave him? >> demerol to sedate him. >> he said i didn't do anything wrong. filing this claim perhaps another way for him to say i'm good here. i didn't do anything wrong and have no problem talking about this. >> it's like buying meat at the super market. there so many people trying to cash in. "this is it" is the headline and this is secondary. i don't think it will affect how people view him. >> thanks so much, guys. we have been asking you to vote. will you go to see "this is it"? keep voting at cnn.com/showbiztonight. e-mail us at cnn.com. tonight levi johnston's claims that he has bombshell secrets

about sarah palin. the father of her grandson said it may be pay back time? >> you hurt by all of this? >> i was, yeah. now it's like all right, well now it's my turn. >> seriously? it's levi's vendetta against sarah palin and the stung results on how trustworthy sarah is. kate gosselin's career move. is she going to make an about-face and leave her life as a celebrity behind? sex and the series. the baseball world series that is. wait until you hear the story about a woman accused of offering to trade sex for world series tickets. you heard me, but wait until you hear all the racy details. time now necessary the "showbiz news ticker." more stories making news right now.

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>> welcome back to "showbiz tonight." tonight levi's sarah secrets. the father of sarah palin's grandson, levi johnston made a new claim that he has explosive secrets about sarah. in a new interview, levi made a stunning claim that he knew things that could hurt sarah pail 99 a big way. also breaking tonight, sex and the series. some people will do about anything to get tickets to the world series between the phillies and the yankees, but this woman takes the prize. this 43-year-old allegedly offered sex in exchange for tickets. is this the dumbest move ever? a senior editor for "in touch weekly" and steven smith who is

a music and pop culture expert. let's go to levi johnston's interview on the cbs early show. i can't believe this guy is still out there. in the new interview when he was asked when i would have asked, why do you continue to slam sarah? he gave what i thought was a shocking answer. >> sarah didn't like me and todd didn't like me. they were trying to back stab me and putting on a front to make her look good at the convention and everything else. i don't care anymore. >> are you hurt by all this? >> i was, yeah. now it's just kind of like all right, now it's my turn. >> she so captivating when he speaks. he sounds so bitter. he claims he was used to put up a good front in the republican national convention while bristol palin was pregnant. do you buy the idea that the palins used levi? >> no.

this guy is a waste. he needs to stop talking. i don't think he has any bombshells. he can barely form a sentence. i don't think they are that afraid of what he has to say. look at the example he is giving his son. she going to appear in "playgirl" and bad mouthing grandma. give it a break. >> do you think i could talk like that. are people buying levi's story at all? >> i love levi. he is the new kato kalin. the best response ever is, they started it. that's awesome. she did it first and now it's my turn. >> i love he is talking that way about a woman who may be running for president. in the interview, levi delivered an ominous threat. i heard the spooky music when he said he's got more beans to spill about sarah. watch. >> she is going to go out and

say stuff about me, i will leak things on her. that's how it is. >> you going continue saying things? could you say more that you hadn't said? >> there things i have that are huge. i haven't said them because i'm not going to hurt her that way. >> you draw the line somewhere? >> i have things that would get her in trouble and hurt her, but i won't go that far. phi wanted to hurt her, i could, but i'm not going that far. >> things that could get her in trouble as far as what? >> things she has done while she was governor? >> illegal? >> i'm not going to take about them. >> eloquent. things that sarah did as governor he could hold over her head. what do you think? are you scared for sarah? he has the dirt on her or is

this more cash? >> he is trying to keep the lime light as long as he can. he thinks he's sot hot, but he's so dumb. i can't stand the guy. if he closes his mouth and poses for pictures, i would be fine with that. >> not affecting how people are thinking. look at this new poll. 55% said yes and only 43% said no. it doesn't appear to have an impact. look at the story about a woman who allegedly tried to sell her body for ticks to the world series. this woman is 43 years old and posted an ad on craig's list. it said die-hard phillies fan, gorgeous tall buxom blond in desperate need of two world series tickets. we can help each other. a cop called her and said meet

me in a bar. the woman told the cop she was willing to have sex in exchange for the tickets. the cop slapped the cuffs on her and arrested her. dumbest idea ever? >> i'm glad her reign of terror is over. threatening people online to do things for tick ets and i applaud the police. >> how dumb. i'm sorry. i don't care how big of a fan you are. you don't go on craig's list. what an idiot. >> what a great story. thanks, guys. as we move on, it's kate gosselin's new career move. the reality star of jon and kate plus eight revealed she can be a movie star, but news that kate could be turning her back on hollywood for good. according to published reports, she renewed her license to work

as a registered nurse. the show and all the ensuing drama. by renewing her license, she could be in scrubs in no time and earn money for the family if her a family if her show is cancelled. tonight michael vick's career is going the dogs. actually turns out this is a pr pretty good thing. the superer star fresh out of jail is now inspiring a new dog charity. if you are not a big fan this news will actually make you stand up and cheer. here is a look at the "showbiz" news ticker, making news right now.

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this is amazing. more than a dozen chimps lined up to console each other as they watched one of their own being buried. what is so amazing here. the chimps are arm in arm standing still and totally sigh leapt. this is just about unheard of. you can see this incredible photo in the november issue of "national geographic" magazine. and using michael vick to feed dogs. fresh out of jail for running a cruel dog fighting ring.

an animal rescue group is hoping vick's misfortunes will score a big win for dozens of dogs. >> the original deal was this. every time vick got tackled or sacked, five sacks of dog food would be donated. you remember vick. he spent 18 months in jail for funding dog fights. now he is being used to inspire a dog food give away. you are looking at a truckload of dog food. >> four times the food. >> big smith took out this ad offering to donate sacks of dog food every time vick got tackled. vick ended up not playing much and only got tackled twice but main line animal rescue managed to collect four tons of food including 100 bags donated by

rachael ray. the food was handed out to shelters in the washington d.c. >> they are huge and they eat a lot of food. >> taking out a newspaper ad is small potatoes. they are better known for putting up giant billboards like the one in chicago so oprah would see it. >> just before s ompof -- >> she did the show. >> inside are rows of cramped crates stuffed with dogs. >> another wept up -- >> this was like a soup kitchen. the dog food distributors were

routing for anything but the eagles. >> in the 80s, she was an eagles cheer leader. when asked for a cheer now? >> boo vick. >> they wanted to feed michael vick to the dogs got their wish. >> the animal rescue group said it planned to make good on the pledge. that is it for "showbiz tonight." thanks for watching. tonight on "the joy behar show," a former female writer from "late night with david letterman" breaks her silence. dieting with cookies, does it work? does it not? and joining me in the

tonight on "the joy behar show," a former female writer from "late night with david letterman" breaks her silence. dieting with cookies, does it work? does it not? who cares? they're cookies. and joining me in the studio, hulk hogan. he wrestled more than just people. he struggled with a lot of personal demons, too. and he will tell me all about it. all this and more tonight. a lot of people go bed at

night watching david letterman. and a lot of female staffers were going to bed with him during the day. this news wasn't a secret to everyone. joining me now is nell scovell, former writer on the late night show with david letterman. she worked at the letterman show and never had sex with any of the staffers right? >> that's correct. >> i wanted to get that out of the way. tell me what was going on while you were there that made you uncomfortable. you were a writer there for a few months? >> i was the second woman hired there, the first was the great merrill markoe. she was my hero before she became my friend. i wanted to be on that show. i wrote on "spy" magazine and "vanity fair" in new york. i applied in 1988, filled out

the submission. didn't hear anything from the show for two years. i got offers in l.a. i worked on the last season of "newhart." i wrote a "simpson's" episode. i got call that dave wanted to meet me. i moved back to new york to take this job. and five months later, i walked away from my dream job because it was a hostile work environment. >> what was going on that made you leave? you loved the job, you loved the show. something was going on that made you uncomfortable? >> i was not going flirt. it was just -- a situation where i was -- you know, you talked about it on "the view" yourself. if you're doing your job and

working hard and you're in the middle of a soap opera and that that's not -- i wasn't going to thrive professionally. i didn't get the memo as a young girl that said you should have low self-esteem and put up with crap. so i quit. >> good for you. some people say you should have stayed. when you quit a job like that, a guy will get the job. >> let me also, historically, it was 1990, a year before anita hill. there was not much awareness of sexual harassment. or favoritism. i knew it was dysfunctional.

i didn't know there was legal recourse. i didn't have options. it wasn't my first job in television. i was lucky. a few months later i was working on a top ten sitcom, "coach," which i loved. i was on there for over two seasons. >> what was your reaction. by the way, that anita hill story was the tipping point for all of the sexual harassment suits. women ever where realize that these guys cannot get away with that type of behavior anymore. what was your reaction when this all came to light? >> the what? >> the blackmail, the -- >> well, first of all, it was a terrible thing. and no one should be blackmailed. i should say that. i -- um -- i really did move on. in fact, i had supported dave and the sarah palin joke in an article a few months previously. i had a great quote of johnny carson making fun of lyndon johnson's daughter. if johnny can do it, dave can.

the extortion plot -- dave exposing himself on the air about the plot, that wasn't news. as more people voiced opinions on what it was like in that environment, i talked about "the view" in my article. and the misconceptions. i felt that burden to bear witness. it's crazy. it's just the tiniest injustice. you don't cheese your injustices. they choose you. >> let's talk about the time you spent as a writer in the writer's room. how many women were at the big three shows when you were there? and how about now? >> let's talk numbers. between letterman, leno, and the tonight show. there are about 50 comedy

writers, of which exactly zero are women. >> 50, 5-0. is that what you said? >> yeah. there are 14 male writers on letterman right now. historically, in 27 years, there have only been seven women writers on the show. so today, there are twice as many men as in all 27 years. >> do you think that comedy suffers, that these shows suffered because they don't have women writers? >> oh, absolutely. >> it's like they never put a woman in late night and all of the men are running late night and the comedy writers, and the stars, and there just isn't a shot. i'm very happy that wanda sykes is getting a late night show. i wish her all the best in the world. we are all routing for wanda. >> she is hilarious. >> it's very hard to

breakthrough that. >> um, yeah, i do think that -- you know, the funniest room writer's room that have i been in was when i was at "murphy brown." it was split exactly half and half. it was the funniest and always the crudest, probably. and, you know, one of the reasons i wanted to become a comedy writer, i saw a movie called "real life." and albert brooks wrote with a woman, with monica johnson. i think, the more viewpoints, the more comedy. if everyone is shooting for same joke target and no someone off looking in the weeds for the unexpected, then whole product suffers. >> thank you, nell, for coming on the show. i know you blew off a couple other shows to be here. i appreciate that. >> i appreciate what you had to say on "the view." >> now i would like to bring in

jami floyd. i would like to read part of what she wrote. there's a subset of sexual harassment called sexual favoritism. speak to that as a lawyer. >> it's what nell wrote. it is what i would have written. sexual harassment is not just about sexual touching or activity. it's about a hostile work environment that makes one group, generally women, feel uncomfortable in the work environment in any way. it can be about posting pictures that may be offensive or sexual favoritism. in an environment where some women are receiving favors because they are having sex with the boss or other men in the environment in power, those that choose not to participate are at a disadvantage. let's call the women out. it's about the sisterhood. girlfriends, if you're participating in this, you're not paur rt of the sisterhood.

>> it is like dating a maried man. >> yeah. >> we're running out of time already. it's impossible for somebody to report david letterman to human resources. nothing is going to happen. he's a multimillion dollar organization in himself. what is a girl to do? she had to leave. >> it's interesting you brought up anita hill and the eeoc. there are laws. there's a greater recognition of what is legal and what is not. the law can only go so far. there comes on point where society has to take it a step further. we, as individuals, the morality has to go where the law hasn't gone. law can only do so much. >> amen. coming up next, eat cookies to lose weight? that sounds like a really good idea, stick around.

have you heard of the cookie diet? you can eat six cookies today. that's not a diet, that's a way of life. joining me now discuss it is dr. sanford siegal. welcome. hello, how are you? >> hello, joy. >> how does it work? >> the dieter is required to eat six cookies a day to help suppress his or her hunger and a meal at night. there's only one meal, that's the evening meal. the cookies alleviate your hunger. the total calorie count, 1,000

calories a day. everyone loses weight on that. >> that's not enough food for a person. 1,000 calories a day. what is in the cookies, amphetamines? >> no, the cookies are strictly a food. you said that's not enough food for the average person. of course it's not. that's what we want. not enough food. >> i could never sustain 1,000 calories a day. i'm too busy, too active. >> i have had 500,000 patients over the last 34 years who were able to sustain it. the point is that if you're not hungry, and hung sir the main problem in dieting, if you're not hungry, you can live on 1,000 calories a day. you can lose weight. >> i don't know what is this the

cookies that are suppressing your appetite. i tried diet pills in college, all i did was cry. i never lost a pound. i just cried all day long. those kinds of stimulants are not healthy for you. >> joy, there are no stimulants in my product. my product is 100% food. but they are foods that are known to be hunger suppressers. >> like what? tell us what it is? >> the general term is protein. there are specific proteins. let me tell you how this came about. i was writing a book on the subject of foods that are hung er suppressers in 1975. i put together a formula based on knowledge that was in the literature at that time that certain mixtures of amino acids are far more hunger suppressing than carbohydrates. i baked them into a cookie, no drugs.

it was an instant success. >> i just tasted one. it's not that great to taste, have i to be honest. is that part of the diet that you don't want to eat more cookies? >> no. there are various reactions to my cookie. some people love them, some people say they're all right, some people truly don't like them. we don't care if they like them. the cookie is not for entertainment. it's for a serious medical problem which is overweight. and i have treated 500,000 patients with this cookie over the last 34 years. i can tell you that they're well tolerated. some people actually like them. i don't want them to like them too much. because that's what got us into trouble to begin with, liking our food too much. >> okay, thank you very much, dr. siegal for coming on the

show. now i want to bring in my panel to talk about the diet. joy bauer, jorge cruise, and dr. michael roizen. the co-author of "you, the owner's manual." welcome, everybody. i tasted the cookies. they taste like insulation. would you like one? >> i'll smell one. >> i think maybe i'll pass. >> what is in the cookie? do you know what's in the cookie? >> i took a look online. two grams of sugar, 11 carbohydrates. there is protein in there. i didn't see how much online. >> that was his point. >> the combination of protein and fiber, he is right. it keeps you fuller for longer. you can get the same effect and lose weight from having a one serving bowl of cereal with skim

milk. you can have a bowl of oat meet with non-fat yogurt on the side. you get the same effect from real food as well. there's nothing dangerous in the cookies. >> there is no speed in there. >> here's the unfortunate thing for me. i'm trying to start a revolution. it's based on a lot of larry talb's book. it's this whole idea that what we are doeng now is a conventional world. in terms of what conventional doctors is saying. calories is the problem. we eat too much and don't exercise enough. we hear that all the time. >> i'm so sick of that explanation. >> it's wrong. it has been going on for over 60 years. this diet is based on that philosophy that less is more. i tell people, that doesn't work. if you starve yourself -- >> you won't keep it off. dr. siegal says you need quick weight loss to not feel discouraged.

what do you think of that? is that healthy? >> what you want is a steady weight loss plan you can stay on for the rest of your life. weight cycling, the quick loss and regain is much worse for your health than slow, steadily loss or maintaining a higher weight. in fact, what you want is a slow, steady rate. the second point is it's 1,000 calories. which, if we could stay on, if people can stay on it is a calorie restriction diet. it would be great to stay on it forever. people can't. that's one of the problems. >> the other good news is when you just start eating better and you reduced your calories from what you normally eat, the first couple of weeks, you will see that euphoric drop on the scale. >> it's mostly water, isn't it? >> it doesn't matter, though. it's so great to see, the first few weeks, a significant

drop, it gives you the staying with it power. then you have the slow, consistent weight loss afterwards. >> so maybe his idea for this cookie diet, it's easy to bring these things to work. >> but you can't meet your friends at a restaurant for lunch. >> this is the most important thing. anyone listening right now has to hear. i represent a lot of new forefront thinking. the idea that calories, in the sense of how many you eat, don't matter as much as the kind of calories. the number one driver of weight gain is insulin. it is all hormonal based. if you eat 500 carries of cheese, meat, proteins, the whole grain carbs, the right amounts of sugars, not too much, you will keep your insulin levels low. what happens in america right now, everyone is doing this. everyone is in a high insulin state. when that happens, we constantly lock in fat and what i call belly fat. it never goes away.

if you want to lose fat, you have to keep insulin levels low. >> or get liposuction. next, stay away from that fridge all of you out there.

i have tried just about every diet there is. i tried the atkins. you get sick eating so much meat. i got fruits. i don't eat a lot. at night, before i go bed, if there's cookies, cake, ice cream, i devour it. cakes, cookies, pies, brownies. give me the light food, i devour it. we just watched a woman going on about dieting.

wanting to get up at 1:00 in the morning for a snack. >> we're conditioned to do that. go back before there was processed, refined products. when we found that in nature, we were hunting and fathering, it was so rare that our taste buds were drawn to it. sugar is everywhere. >> you want more and more. that's what we end to have. >> a lot of people think it's avoiding the sodas. i've been working with president clinton about getting sodas out of schools. people are drinking more orange juice, if you drink it in quantity, than cola. >> it's all of the liquid calories. they don't satiate you like the solids. >> one orange, that is fine. a glass is made up or six, or seven oranges.

there is more sugar in that than a coke. >> we talked about cheese before. the latest thing i hear is i don't eat dairy. this is from skinny girls all over new york city. i wouldn't look at yogurt. i don't eat cheeses. what do you say? >> the trick is looking at what you are eating. is it protein, fat, or carbs? most cheeses don't have any sugar. if it doesn't have sugar, it doesn't spike insulin. >> however, full fat cheese, although it doesn't have sugar, it has artery clogging fat. it won't raise your insulin levels, it will -- i argue with you here. i'm all about the dairy. i want to promote low fat and nonfat dairy. then you get all of the good. >> nonfat dairy tastes like

rubber. >> i disagree. >> let's hear what the dr. roizen thinks. >> food is not let's make a deal. yes, we get addicted to sugar but we also get addicted to saturated fat and salt. cheese has a lot of both. not only are those addictive, they turn on genes that cause inflammation. the cholesterol effect is a little bit. the gene effect is a huge amount. it's got to be protein without saturated fat. if you're not going to die like a cigarette addict. they are a great appetite suppressant but we die early because we're changing genes. >> wait a minute. we are taking a break. i really do think that the french women that say french women don't get fat is because they smoke. stay right there.

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okay, i'm back and we're talking about how to lose weight. that's a reason to stay tuned, right? joining me are registered dietitian, you bauer. jorge cruise, and dr. michael roizen. let me start with you. before we go, i want a tip. doctor, tell me what can i do this week to lose a pound or two.

just one week, give me your answer. >> walk 30 minutes every day. call a buddy, tell them you're doing it. the second thing is avoid white food. >> no white food, rice, bread, pasta. how about cheese? >> cream sauce. anything that is white other than white fish. >> that is so racist, i love it. >> what the american heart association recently released. i spoke to the provost at the university of vermont. everything they talked about cheese and high cholesterol was wrong. they said sugar was the primary cause of heart disease. get six servings of the rich, fibrous carbs. get the bowels healthy. that will guarantee your insulin levels say low. >> no sugar and more -- >> avoid, you need to make sure anything that increases insulin, sugars, processed carbs, those two things are the most

detrimental to our health. you do that you will release belly fat. four the nine pounds is what i talk about any my new book. >> joy, a woman gets the last word on this. >> two tips, omit liquid calories. the sodas, juices, coffee concoctions. enjoy the sandwiches open face. loose that top slice of bred. if you eat a sandwich every single day, at the end of the month, you've saved 30 slices of bread. that's 3,000 calories. >> and a lot of sugar and carbs. >> let's talk about fad diets. the cookie diets. the atkins diet. the grape fruit diet, the zone diet. or south beach? >> at the end of the day, it's about your own personality. what can you sustain? you need to eat less and move

more. i think there are options out there for all different food preferences and lifestyles. again, eat less, move more. watch the weight come off. pick something you can personally stick with. >> jorge, dr. roizen said walk more. >> if you exercise you will eat more. you have known me as a fitness expert. i have changed a lot of my philosophy. i exercise and walk for cardio health. not to lose weight. that's the cover of "time" magazine that put in on the cover. >> that makes it gospel? >> we're more overweight and eating less. >> you heard that. what do you think? >> pat of what he said is absolutely wrong. when you exercise, you increase insulin uptake. you increase its effectiveness. he's arguing for getting foods

that don't increase insulin. one of the ways to increase insulin is doing a little exercise consistently every day. the second thing is, with the zone and atkins, if you make them more like south beach, which is more healthy fat rather than unhealthy fat with the protein, it's much healthier for your body because you don't stimulate -- >> what do you think about burst exercise. go for 12 minutes at a normal pace, then for 30 seconds to a minute, increase, increase, increase. do you like that? >> it's the intensity that you're getting is excellent and it actually is healthy. >> there you go. >> if you enjoy it. >> no one enjoys any of this. >> the bottom line with exercise -- you enjoy it when it's done.

>> there is no such thing. >> when it comes to exercise. i find this with so many people that i personally work with. and this is why i argue with what you said, it puts people in a positive mind set. to then make smart food choices later in the day. >> i don't want anyone watching. i have written five million books out there. i exercise. i believe in it. it makes you feel good, keeps your muscles young. but the science, the new science that has just come out, the more you exercise, the more you build your appetite. if you needed to gain weight, go exercise it will build up your appetite. that's what they said in the 1950s. >> exercise doesn't burn so many calories. it doesn't show that you are put in a feel good mind set. >> but it makes you hungry. >> what is the last word on exercise? >> three components make a difference.

resistance, any exercise, walking, and a little cardio. that's for your health. we look for in a diet is not just getting thin. it's getting thin and living with a quality of life that you want. that is those three components combined. >> okay. >> and the most important thing, i tell people that the fat you have on your body is not your fault. a lot of people beat themselves up. they think it's their fault. the science has misled us. the conventional wisdom has been

about counting calories. if you can do that for life, you will be the first person to be able the eat cookies for the rest of your life. portion control. >> i hate portion control. >> i know. >> so do i. >> i am sorry to be the dreg to bring it up. at the end of the day, the only thing you can truly eat unlimited amounts of is going to be nonstarchy vegetables. >> isn't it better to eliminate something than to have portion control? >> i would eliminate the white food. >> if you can do that, if it doesn't backfire. >> it does backfire. >> if it's a personal trigger food. you have one and it opens up a pandora box and you have to have a thousand, don't go near that food. but if you can have a small amou amount, go for it. it is all in the head. back in a minute with hulk hogan.

one, two, he goes. ladies and gentlemen, the winner of this bout, and the new world wrestle federation heavy weight champion. >> inside the ring he had to deal with opponents like andre the giant and the undertaker. in his new book, hulk hogan paints a bleak picture of abuse, anger, affairs and suicidal thoughts. welcome to the show. can i call you hulk? >> that's awesome. >> what is you real name? >> terry. >> terry?

>> that's like saying santa claus' name is bob. >> but you know, your book is filled with all sorts of things. suicide attempts, abuse. didn't anything nice happen to you? >> a loft great stuff. >> it opens with a horrific revelation that you nearly -- you discuss a suicide attempt. tell me about it. >> i bottomed out. i had a whole budge of things happen in a short amount of time. lost my family, had a show on nbc, a prime time show, the first day on the set i got hit with divorce papers in front of a sound stage and arena full of people. nbc on one side and my son was there. >> the reality show? >> it was american gladiators, a prime time show. that hit me at once. and just a bunch of things happened. my son had an accident. and i went through some crazy things trying to get through the

shoot. we had a bunch of episodes ordered. i just couldn't get out of it. when i went back to the big house my family grew up in. everything was gone. the kids weren't there, my wife was gone. we were animal freaks. we had animals. all the animals were gone. every closet, the clothes were gone. there were pictures all over the house of my family. >> why didn't she take the pictures? >> i don't know. i was in so much pain from my back and hips. i had a chair in the bathroom. i could only shave half my face. i had a chair in the bathroom. i found myself sitting in the chair and it was like, it came on all at once. after 23 years of marriage, everything was over. and i just found myself going back to kind of like the old wrestler attitude.

i grabbed the bottle of liquor, an old bottle of xanaxes. i started drinking the bottle. as the day went on, my gun was there. i don't remember getting it. i remember hiding the gun in the safe. >> she left the gun and the pictures. >> i remember hiding the gun in the safe because i didn't want to turn into another phil hartman. i have the gun. i thought anybody that attempted suicide was a coward. i had no idea you could slip into this situation. i was playing with it, messing with it. it went on for several days. my neighbor called me, a friend of mine, bubba, called me. eric, another friend. i thought i was doing good saying i'm okay. then finally, laila ali called me. >> mohamed ali's daughter?

>> uh-huh. she said, we're so worried about you. you left l.a., we're so worried. hearing her voice snapped you me out of it. it really did. >> it's interesting that story. it went on for a couple of days? >> i just hypnotized myself. >> did it change your attitude to suicidal people? one woman i know tried to kill herself because she was very ill. she said it's impossible to do. very hard to do. it takes a certain kind of guts to do it almost. it's not a cowardly thing. >> i couldn't do it. >> you could not do it? >> i couldn't do it. i didn't understand why everything changed to fast. >> the wife, your wife, 23 years with her. you said it was horrific to live

with her. what was she doing? >> she was unhappy. >> for 23 years? >> when we started out, i mean, i'm still madly in love with her. she's a great person. i know that person. that's the linda that i married. she had a desire to move back to los angeles. my work was on the east coast. we made several attempts to go back and forth. i kept several homes in l.a. her desire to go back where she started, my career was getting bigger and bigger. the drinking never stopped. i asked her, the kids asked her. she went to the betty ford clinic for awhile. it go to an aggressive, violent relationship. instead of saying hello, every word was the "f" toward me.

>> the booze was doing it? >> i think so. >> she said over the holidays in 2007, she sank into a depression. she said, i didn't have a gun, but i didn't want to live. >> she filed for divorce. over the years, no matter what i took. >> but both of you were very crazy it sounds like at that time. >> i don't know her situation at that time. >> she told "people" magazine at that time. >> they said there was going to be a war. i didn't understand that either. >> how did that happen? >> there were serious hard times. her attorney, a.j. out of miami, made a statement to "people" magazine that this is going to be a war. that was the one thing that i begged linda, don't file for divorce.

please don't file. when she publicly filed, that changed me. all of a sudden, she told the public she didn't want to be with me. didn't want to be married. >> do you think the lawyer geeked her up a little? >> i don't know. >> you said to "rolling stone" i could have turned everything into a crime scene, like o.j. cutting everybody's throat. you know a 19-year-old boy is sleeping in bed with your wife. i totally understand. i get it. she was sleeping with a 19-year-old boy. >> she's in love with one of the children that went to school with one of my kids. >> she's still with him? >> yes. >> how long now? >> almost two years. >> really? >> it was a situation where when you love in a town, you're proud

to be from that town, your a world champion, everybody looks up to you, then serve saying there's a young kid driving your cars, motorcycles, boats, sleeping in bed with your wife, it does something to you as man. you have to take the high road or the low road. i was saying, am i going to go down the tubes and be a statistic, or am i going to take the high road? i understand how people can do the wrong thing, make mistakes. i chose to take the high road. i remained silent. >> well, o.j., from what i understand, was in a lot of abuse for a long time. there wasn't hitting in your relationship? >> no. >> she was sleeping with a kid. ho old is your wife? >> 51. >> she must have something that this 19-year-old is attracted to her. what do you think? unless he's a -- idiot.

>> well, what i'm saying the you have to make a decision in life. sometimes you have to say, okay, do i want to become a statistic. happen. >> you call her an abusive alcoholic. why do you write this? >> i know who the person is when i married her. as things went along, i went through a situation that i thought was normal. to scheme, have chaos. i didn't understand that mentally and verbally. you call it abuse or manipulation. i thought that's how life was. when i snapped out and got sick and tired of being sick and tired, what i call breathing clean air, i realized how wrong that was.

i went through a crazy period. i survived it. >> we'll be right back with more hulk hogan after this.

you just tell me, brother -- >> all right. a front chin lock. how about it, t? >> keep it like that for a little while. he's all right. he's just sleeping. he's sleeping. really. he'll be all right. >> i'm back with hulk hogan. do you remember that? 1985? >> you guys have all the old stuff. >> we have access to everything. this is cnn stuff here. we have it all. you put my friend, richard belzer, into a sleeper hold. this is what happened in those days. you were a real tough guy. he then sued you and bought a house in france.

>> i think it was casa del hogan, the name of the house. >> maybe you can do something for me. i can use a summer home. >> wow. >> let's go back to you. you're dating now i hear. >> well, i've got a girlfriend. >> you have a girlfriend. >> yes. >> it's not dating. this is like a real thing. >> yeah. >> how long are you dating? is she 19? >> no, she's not 19. god, you're brutal. you're brutal. >> i heard -- howard stern says your girlfriend looks like your daughter. does she? >> i think howard stern's wife looks like my daughter. touche. >> you can fight that one out with him. no, i was just thinking, maybe you and your wife have in common you like someone younger. it's up to you. i'm not judging. i'm just saying. all right. fine. now, you also just announced you're returning to pro

wrestling. you're 56. i don't want to when an ageist, but, you know, those guys that you're going to go up against are going to be a lot younger than you. is there a senior citizen match? >> we can do a geritol match. >> that will be good. >> i don't know if i'm going to get back in the ring and wrestle. >> you're not? >> i don't know. you never know. i would love to say i could jump off the top rope and go crazy. i think i understand the business a lot and can help these guys get along. i don't want to go to the glue factory when i'm ready to go to the racetrack. >> i see. what scares you, besides your wife? >> you know, nothing really scares me. >> nothing scares you? >> no. no. >> come on. >> it doesn't. >> you'll take on anybody? >> no, i don't mean -- i thought you meant other than physical. i'm scared to death. i don't like confrontations. >> you're a big pussy cat but act like a tough guy. >> that's pretty close. >> uh-huh. all right. >> are you hitting on me? >> no. >> okay.

>> i'm over that. i'm post menopausal. nothing turns me on anymore. do you and linda maintain a friendship, i'd like to know? >> no. >> you're not friends? that's the reason the book. >> no, that's not the reason. >> you love her, she's adorable. >> you're missing the whole point. >> i'm pushing your book now. >> thank you. the reason i wrote the book, i went through two years of having the carpet pulled out from under me. there's a lot of people that are on tv now that have homes and problems with jobs and losing their homes. you know, i looked at my life and decided to take the high road and pull a nose up on this thing. you know, there's a lot of things i'm doing which i don't want to -- just following the spirit of christ. positive. that -- >> we didn't get to the religion. oh my goodness. you'll have to come back again. >> thank you. i love you too. >> thanks to the hulk and thank you all for watching. good night, everybody.

breaking news tonight. live, to the heartland. a 9-year-old little missouri girl plays with a friend, walks home, still daylight through her own neighborhood. no more than 1,000 feet. she never makes it home. the search for 9-year-old elizabeth olten comes to an end. her body found in a wooded area just houses from her own home. police converge on one of those homes, last-known sighting of the 9-year-old alive. breaking tonight, a murder suspect in custody. no, not one of the registered sex offenders in the area, not a parolee, the suspect is a 15-year-old girl.

reportedly the sister of little elizabeth's playmate. in the last hours, a judge brings down the hammer in a bid for the 15-year-old girl to walk free. >> breaking news in the case of 9-year-old elizabeth olten, whose body was found in a heavily wooded area behind her home. the teen suspect who's reportedly female, is the older sister of the little friend elizabeth was last seen playing with. law enforcement will not confirm this report to hln. >> the sheriff wants first-degree murder charges which he plainly says this was something that was planned. he says that they have written evidence and also have talked with this 15-year-old girl. >> the teen will not be allowed to go home while waiting to find out if she will be tried as an adult or juvenile. >> malice or premeditation can be formed in the blink of an eye, in the snap of a finger, the time it takes you to raise a

gun and pull a trigger. >> an attorney representing the teen waived a hearing today. >> look at the seriousness of the case. the fact that it resulted in death. this kid is not going to be prosecuted in a juvenile hall, but in real adult jail. >> also today, kmiz reports the home search shortly after the body was found is the same home the suspect lives in. >> also today, kmiz reports the home search shortly after the body was found is the same home the suspect lives in. yesterday we learned from neighbors that the home searched is also the home of elizabeth's friend she was last seen playing with. police will not say how these two reports are connected. >> the mindset of the killer is there is a preoccupation with wreaking vengeance and seeking harm and rendering the victims into a very helpless state. tonight, live, colorado, the whole country on pins and needles. a 6-year-old boy's life hanging in the balance and a beautiful silver space-like balloon

soaring through the clouds. police, sheriffs, national guards, even an airport and commercial carriers trying to save the life of a 6-year-old boy whose parents swear is trapped inside that balloon. after 60 miles of terror, the balloon lands. no boy. was he dead? was he lying down a ravine with every bone in his body broken? no. he was hiding in the family attic the whole time, blurting out on tv it was all, quote, for the show. on two morning shows, the boy so nervous he vomits. after an alleged domestic abuse 911 call and a video where the boys sing a rap song their dad taught them, full of filthy language, the title so vulgar, a slur on women, i will not repeat. and after another attempt of daddy using the boys as fodder for a reality show and a confession from mommy it was all a hoax from the get-go, bombshell tonight. just when you think there

couldn't be more, home video surfaces on tmz of daddy with one of the boys as an infant, forcing a cigar into the baby's mouth and making the baby suck on a bottle of beer. we have the video. looks like bye-bye, reality show, hello, cell block. >> no. >> hi, baby. hey. >> take this. >> here, bradford. oh, yummy. bradford?

bradford? >> oh, that's good. your hand's in the way. >> stop it. stop it. >> your hand's in the way. >> oh, bradford. bradford? hey, bradford. hey, bradford. bradford? bradford! hey, bradford. bradford? >> sing a song. ♪ mary had a little lamb, little lamb ♪ >> bark like a dog. >> woof. >> meow like a cat.

>> no, my other one will get pissed. >> can you imagine putting a bottle of beer and a cigar in a newborn's mouth? good evening, i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. a 9-year-old missouri girl plays with a friend, walks home, still daylight, only 1,000 feet. she never makes it home. the search for 9-year-old elizabeth olten comes to an end. her body found in a wooded area just houses from her own home. bombshell tonight. the murder suspect in custody, a 15-year-old girl. all in court, just hours ago, in a bid for the 15-year-old to walk free. that's right, free, back in the same neighborhood where she allegedly lured and murdered her little sister's 9-year-old playmate. >> have you ever had somebody go

in and just reach inside you and pull your heart out? that's what it's like. >> new details emerge in the case of 9-year-old elizabeth olten found murdered in a heavily wooded area behind her home. the accused murderer, reportedly a 15-year-old girl, is the sister of the friend elizabeth was last seen playing with. police will not confirm this report to hln. >> a 15-year-old girl is the murder suspect? not just murder, premeditated malice murder one suspect. this was planned? >> it's absolutely ridiculous. because the reality is, if this crime is premeditated, she's going to be doing some adult time. >> the suspect will remain at the juvenile detention center until her certification hearing november 18th. at that hearing, a judge will decide whether the teen will be prosecuted as an adult or minor. cops want the teen charged with premeditated first-degree

murder. >> there was a fondness for aggression. whenever teens plan to commit violence and want to do it and fix sate on it, they write about it. >> according to kmiz, the home searched right after elizabeth's body was found, is the same home where the teen suspect lives. neighbors told us yesterday, the home was where elizabeth was last seen playing with her little friend. what's the connection? police will not say. >> it will be extremely likely you'll be able to determine cause of death and the fact that she was very well concealed may actually help coroners figure this out. >> straight out to ladd egan, news director and anchor with krcg. thank you for being with us. what can you tell me, the whole case was in court. it's my understanding there was actually a bid for this girl to walk free? after being accused of luring her little sister's 9-year-old playmate and murdering her? >> yes. today they were scheduled to have a detention hearing in the juvenile court system, and when they got there, however, the

15-year-old's attorney waived the right to the hearing. so she will remain at the detention center for the -- the youth detention center until the hearing in three weeks from now that will determine if she'll be tried as an adult. >> out to joanne, alabama, hi, dear. >> caller: hey. i want to know how a 15-year-old can do this to a child. i watch you talking about your twins and i have grandchildren, myself, you know, that goes and plays with their playmates. how can she get away with this? >> i can tell you this, joanne in alabama, i would never, at this point, ever, and i know it sounds overprotective, let the twins walk home from a playmate's home. even in the neighborhood. absolutely not. to you, caryn stark, psychologist joining us from new york. i don't understand the

psychopathy behind this act. a 15-year-old girl? aren't they usually plays basketball or soccer or cheer leading or something? 4-h? i don't know. murdering a 9-year-old little girl and allegedly the little girl leaves the home to go home and she's lured back into the home by the 15-year-old. >> this is not a normal 15-year-old girl, nancy -- >> caryn, no a fence. you're the shrink, not me. i already know that. i already know she's no normal 15-year-old girl. okay? so let's shed different light on this. >> this kind of a 15-year-old girl would not be playing basketball. this is a 15-year-old girl i would be interested in seeing probably has behavior problems. i would want to see what her relationship is in abusing animals, what it's like for her in school. it's hard to comprehend -- >> caryn, again, don't mean to interrupt you, but who cares what her record is in school. i mean, she's charged with murdering, premeditated.

that means it's no accident. wasn't a spur of the moment thing. she premeditatedly lured this child back, a 9-year-old little girl, to murder her. then, according to sources, concealed her body so well cops couldn't find it. it was only a few feet away from the child's cell phone. they still couldn't find the body. >> well, nancy, you're right to be outraged because this is somebody who has an anti-social personality. the best i can tell you is that it would be her inclination to do something like that. she's not normal. she wouldn't go ahead and do the kinds of things you think a teenager would be doing. >> let's unleash the lawyers. susan moss, new york. renee rockwell, defense attorney atlanta. john burris, defense attorney san francisco. rene, now i understand why she was a no show in court. to actually go before a judge and ask to wait and home with mommy and daddy?

back in the same home where she allegedly lured a 9-year-old girl to her death? are they kidding? >> well, nancy, it was obviously a strategic move, but can i just switch back to what caryn was saying? it is going to be important what kind of life she led because they're going to determine whether she's going to be handled as a juvenile or an adult. >> she's just a baby. her mom, i mean, she's a wreck. i mean, she's like i am. her dad's a wreck.

a horse-drawn carriage carries the remains of the 9-year-old girl hundreds spent two days last week searching for. the devastating ending to that search drew dozens back together. >> according to abc news, the accused murderer who was reportedly a 15-year-old girl, is actually the sister of the friend elizabeth was last seen playing with. police will not confirm this report to hln. >> missouri state statutes allows for a and b-felony cases involving juveniles to be open hearings to the general public. this will be the case unless the juvenile court judge orders a close.

>> there's no way this juvenile will get a fair trial in this city, county, state. i don't know where my client would get a fair trial once this name is released and the facts of the case are released. >> we are taking your calls live. with me right now, a very special guest. joining us from st. martins, missouri, peggy florence, the olten family spokesperson. ms. florence, thank you for being with us. >> hello, nancy. >> ms. florence, please tell me how the olten family is doing tonight. >> well, the family is doing as well as can be expected. the family is a very strong and loving family, and they're pulling upon each other and

supporting one another in this terrible time. >> ms. florence, according to all of our sources, this was an extremely safe neighborhood. that the mom did everything right. she knew where her daughter was. just down the street with a playmate. it was about 1,000 feet away. it was daylight. she had a cell phone for elizabeth to stay in touch with her all the time. >> yes. it was a very safe neighborhood. she did everything right. she was a very loving and concerned mother. >> peggy florence, the family, the olten family, knows this 15-year-old girl. is that correct? >> the children played together, yes. >> we are taking your calls. out to lakisha in indiana. hi, lakisha. >> caller: hi, nancy, first of

all, my family and i thank you very much for what you do for the children and victims and i was wanting to wish you a happy belated birthday. my birthday is november the 1st. i don't know how to contact your show to wish me a happy birthday. i would appreciate if you could wish me one. >> you stay on the line and our producers will get your information. i want to wish you a happy birthday ahead of time. thank you very much. what is your question, dear? >> caller: i know you might not care, but other people might care. i was wondering what the 15-year-old suspect, if she was at the house or where she was at before she killed elizabeth? >> to rupa mikkilineni -- >> caller: before all of this happened -- >> right. -- our producer on the story. rupa, it's my understanding she was at the home where they were playing. >> that's my understanding as well. sources have indicated she is

the older sister of elizabeth's play mate. she was in the home at the time. >> i want to go back to ms. peggy florence, the olten family spokes person. you know, ms. florence, we read about statistics, about homicide statistics all the time. i study them. i pore over them to determine patterns and assessing methods of homicide. but i want to talk about elizabeth and what kind of a girl -- >> thank you. >> -- she was. what can you tell me? she's not just a statistic. this is a beautiful, vivacious little 9-year-old with her whole life ahead of her. tell me about her. >> i've been with the family since this started, and they have shared so many wonderful things with me about elizabeth. her smile, she always was happy. she loved her little nieces and nephews.

what she aspired to be when she grew up, when she was a little girl, she wanted to be a mother. she wanted to love others and take care of others. she was -- she was just a lovely child. she was -- she never met an animal she didn't love and she didn't dress up and play with. she dressed in fancy little dresses and would go run in the snow and play in the mud. she was just a beautiful little girly girl, nancy, that had everyone's heart.

she disappeared wednesday when she was playing at a neighbor friend's house. she was supposed to walk home. it was a quarter mile walk back to her house. she didn't show up. 7:00 when she didn't show up, the parents called the police. hundreds of people searching for the next two days. dogs searching. they found cell phone pings. they knew the phone wasn't far. they got an anonymous tip, either a letter, or, again, unsure, this written evidence the sheriff was talking about. immediately afterwards this led them to the 15-year-old suspect who then led them to the body. >> we are taking your calls live out to rebecca in pennsylvania. hi, rebecca. >> caller: hi, nancy. i just want to tell you i absolutely love you and watch you every night. i'm a huge fan. >> thank you, rebecca, in pennsylvania. >> caller: i told my mom to watch and i hope she hears me and gets me your book for christmas. so -- i just had a question for you. i was wondering if they have

released anything as far as the autopsy or the manner in which she died? >> out to ladd egan with krcg. i don't believe they have released the autopsy report, correct? >> they have not. we do know it was completed on saturday. it's sealed because the juvenile court proceedings. at that point, we will know more. >> let's unleash the lawyers. susan moss, renee rockwell, john burris. john burris, i know you're not statistician. when you think back over the murder cases you have defended and i'm looking back over the murder cases i prosecuted and investigated. i would imagine just based on our anecdotal statistic memory that this what was a soft kill, either a strangulation, a smothering.

there could be a blow to the head maybe. what's your take, cause of death? >> well, i think you probably have it right. i don't see this as a gunshot or knife-type case at all. i will say this. it's fair they will have a lot of psychological investigation around this young girl. it's so abnormal. when i've had 15-year-olds in murder cases -- >> you know what, burris? >> i know you don't like it. >> no. i would be mad in you didn't. a jury will probably take it with the same box of salt that i am.

breaking news in the case of 9-year-old elizabeth olten whose body was found in a heavily wooded area behind her home. abc news reports the teen suspect who was reportedly female is the older sister of the little friend elizabeth was last seen playing with. law enforcement will not confirm this report with hln. the teen will not be allowed to go home while wait to find out if she will be tried as an adult or juvenile. an attorney representing the teen waived the detention hearing today.

the teen suspect will remain at the juvenile detention center until the certification hearing november 18th. kmiz reports the home searched shortly after the body was found is the same home the suspect lives in. yesterday we learned from neighbors the home searched is also the home of elizabeth's friend she was last seen playing with. police will not say how these two reports are connected. >> we are taking your calls live. out to pat brown, criminal profiler, author of "killing for sport." pat, i hardly know where to start with you. because all of this is your expertise. i want you to weigh in on your profile of this 15-year-old girl. i have to tell you something, pat, out of all the cases i've ever prosecuted, investigated, or covered, this one has really thrown me for a loop because when i immediately see a set of facts, i conjure up in my mind, analytically, who i think the perp is. all right? i would never have guessed a 15-year-old playmate sister. never. >> i'm with you there, nancy. we haven't had many females do this to young children. we are seeing an increase of

violence among those teenagers these days. my book was called "killing for sport." that's what this girl did. she killed for sport. cold-blooded psycho path. no remorse. no guilt. maybe watched one too many slasher films. i don't get this fun out of normal teen activities. when you let your child over to play, not only should the playmate be okay, check those parents out, brothers and sisters. it you don't trust the family implicitly, don't go over there because you may have one of these creatures sits around the house. >> hey, hey, hey. you are preaching to the choir. john and lucy's teachers, there i am looking through the window and there i am looking in. just checking. >> absolutely. >> you cannot be too safe. i want to ask you, in your expertise, the mode of killing. the autopsy report has not been

released. >> right. generally speaking i think you're right. you have a strangulation-type thing, a suffocation. this girl might like to beat somebody with a rock or something like that. i don't think guns. possibly a knife. i tend to think it's going to be a hands-on kind of thing. >> back to the lines. mercy of pennsylvania. >> caller: hi, nancy, thank you for taking my call. i have two quick questions. >> okay. >> caller: i have two quick questions for you. do they know for sure if the letter was written by the 15-year-old girl? and not somebody else? and my second question is, do they have motive yet? >> good question. to rupa mikkilineni. we were told yesterday police were led to the 15-year-old playmate sister because of written evidence. now, we later thought to be true

that the girl had written out a diary, but apparently there was an anonymous letter that went to police from who? what do we know? >> the police are being tight lipped about this but they did announce initially there was some type of correspondence which led them to the 15-year-old suspect. later they said when they were charging her with first degree premeditated murder they had written evidence which leads us to believe there were two separate written information. one possibly a diary, the other correspondence. we don't know to who from possibly the suspect. >> to dr. kent harshburger, medical examiner, forensic pathologist, joining us out of dayton, ohio. again, the autopsy report has not yet been released. the child's body was in the element for several days. do you think they'll be able to pinpoint cause of death? >> sure. they should be able to. being concealed like that it might be partially buried, will help in the short time interval. physical evidence may be preserved. not out in the rain, the wind watching away potential evidence. it will help slow down decomposition. analysis should be precise. >> to tom shamshak, former police chief, private

investigator, instructor at boston university. tom, thank you for being with us. tom, what should the police be doing right now to prove this case? >> well, nancy, they should be looking in the social network area on the internet, namely myspace accounts. i suspect that this individual boasted to somebody in her peer group and that individual might have spoken to a parent and that's how the information found its way to the police. the -- all of this child's acquaintances, friends, schoolmates, teachers, they should all be interviewed very, very extensively by investigators associated with this case. they will come to some more information and i won't be surprised that people won't come forward now and say that, yes, i had heard this was in the plans. >> you know, tom, these pictures of elizabeth are just killing me because, you know, every day when i look at lucy, i think she

is the most beautiful girl i've ever seen, and i know elizabeth's parents thought the same thing about her. i just -- i don't know how you cope with the death of a child like this. back to the lawyers. susan moss, renee rockwell, john burris. susan moss, now i understand the more i hear about this case why the girl was a no show in court today. how dare they go to a judge to even ask that she goes back to the home where she allegedly lured a 9-year-old little girl to her death. walk free. back in the same neighborhood. >> let her go, oh, heck no. i have to tell you something. lured back by a criminal? any type of juvenile punishment is too minimal. this girl is going to be tried as an adult. she's going to get an adult sentence. i don't care how many psychological tests you throw at that judge.

it will be in an adult court. >> that hearing is scheduled in the next weeks. will this 15-year-old girl face up to adult trial on an adult crime? that crime? allegedly premeditated, planned malice murder of this 9-year-old little girl. her little sister's playmate. we are switching gears. more out of the balloon boy story. you know, you think you've seen it all. take a look. >> bradford. >> oh, no. >> hi, baby. bradford. hey. hey, bradford. >> turn the tv on. take the bear. take this. >> baby.

hey, bradford. >> ooh. >> now get him to look at you. >> bradford, bradford? >> that's good. your hand's in the way. >> just when i thought lying to the police was bad enough, having your three little boys lie to the police just so you can get famous was bad enough. ellie jostad, all-time low. i would rip the hand off somebody that gave a beer bottle to lucy or john david. to suck on. or a cigar for pete's sake. >> yep. well, this is another video allegedly of the heene family. in this video you see the oldest boy, bradford, then just a baby. he is propped up on a couch. richard heene is trying to pose him with a cigar, putting it in his hand, in his little mouth.

you see him right there sucking on the beer bottle. >> let's go to the defense attorneys. renee rockwell, you're a defense attorney. has your client lost his mind? the more these people are out there, the more surfaces. it gets worse and worse and worse. >> talking about losing his mind, that's not going to rise to any level of a mental defense. he's got much bigger problems than this, nancy. how about little bit of conspiracy or contributing to the delinquency of a juvenile, having those children lie like he did? >> let me remind you, ms. rockwell, you're asking as the defense attorney. very quickly, we are taking your calls live. we'll show you the video in full. quickly, to tonight's safety tips. halloween a few days away. please keep safe while you're trick-or-treating. don't trick or treat alone. don't let your children go alone. you have to supervise your children. have them walk in groups. stay on sidewalks.

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bradford. >> oh, no. >> hi, bradford. bradford. hey. hey, bradford. >> turn the tv on and take the bear. take this. >> hey, bradford. >> ooh. >> look at the tv.

now get him to look at you. >> bradford? bradford? >> oh, that's good. your hand's in the way. oh, god, richard. >> stop it, stop it. >> hand's in the way. he's bottling the bottle. >> oh, bradford. bradford? hey, bradford. hey, bradford. bradford? bradford? bradford! >> try soft talk. >> bradford. >> sing a song to him. ♪ mary had a little lamb, little lamb ♪ >> bark like a dog. >> woof, woof. >> meow like a cat. >> nope. my other one will get pissed. hey, bradford, pay attention to when i'm talking to you, son. we're going to pull the bottle away.

now look. bradford, bradford. what you've got to do -- pay attention to when i'm talking to you. hey, hey, hey. i'm talking over here. hey, buddy. >> you know, renee rockwell, i was worried about switching the twins from formula to real milk. i thought it might upset their stomach. that's a cold miller genuine draft the baby's got in its mouth. thoughts? >> nancy, again, it's in pour taste. it's not illegal, nancy. it's not going to rise to the level of the family getting an entire rescue operation where people could have lost their lives looking for falcon, the 6-year-old, that was just hiding in the attic, if you will.

>> let's go to nia bender. thank you for being with us. no, i doubt since the statute has run, the child is now 10 years old, there isn't going to be prosecution for feeding a baby a beer bottle and a cigar. it's part of a long line of using these three boys. it's that cooky reality show we showed you last night or the balloon hoax where thousands of dollars were lost and genuine 911 calls were diverted trying to save the boy's life in a balloon who wasn't in there, to the rap song with the vulgar female slur? it's -- i refuse to even say it on the air. this is just one in a pattern. >> it is one in a pattern. about the time you think it's just not going to get any more bizarre, it does with this shocking video. and i have three kids. i mean, i can't even fathom doing something like this. you know, even if this was meant as some kind of joke, what are you doing releasing this stuff? you know, my question is is, you

don't do this with babies. >> you know what it reminds me of, nia, rosie, see if you can pull up the video of the little boy on the morning show, falcon, vomiting, and the father just keeps giving his interview. the mom holds a tupperware over for the little boy and they all act like nothing's happening. >> that's because it's all about dad. it is. the whole thing is all about dad. >> nia, is it true that to top it all off the icing on the cake -- here we go with the vomit. there you go. this is off the "today" show. do we have sound on that? >> that's what he was referring to when he made that statement. >> and i know i want to point out that the sheriff's office said last night they believe your account of what happened, but they do want to question you a little bit more. >> that is meredith vieira interviewing heene while his kid

vomits in his lap and then it happened on another morning show. and they just kept on with the interview again. the boy's being asked to lie, not only on national television, but to police. the mommy breaks down and admits it was all a hoax. to ellie jostad, please tell me i'm wrong. is it true the heenes are now pointing the finger at the sheriff saying they're responsible for wrongdoing? >> the heene's lawyer, the lawyer for richard heene, ask the sheriff be investigated. >> wait, wait. richard heene, the daddy who caught the kids this filthy rap song and put it on youtube? he is claiming the sheriff did something wrong? did you say that? >> that's right. they're asking for a criminal investigation into the sheriff -- >> of the sheriff? >> into the sheriff because they say that sheriff mentioned to the press that he had instructed cps to look into the case.

>> child protective services. wouldn't he, john burris, the sheriff, be derelict in his duty if he didn't refer the case to cps child services? >> it's true. it doesn't mean he has to tell the world about it. this is confidential information. >> burris, please. let me have a little respect for you, okay? keep it confidential? this family has kept nothing confidential. >> no, no, no. the issue over going -- two wrongs don't make a right. the sheriff is now supposed to give out confidential information about somebody's referral to cps. he's not supposed to do that. that doesn't mean just because the other people have committed criminal conduct he gets to, himself, waive the particular rights these individuals have. he doesn't have a right to do that. i can see where he can be -- i doubt if he gets prosecuted. >> you're saying he has a right to allegedly provide a horrible home environment, mistreat his children, coach them to lie, but the public cannot find out the

child protective services are -- >> the public has the right to find out but only after an investigation has taken place -- if you want to prosecute them criminally, do that. that's public. >> sue moss, weigh in. >> if charges against heene are a go, then this information can be let go. >> we'll be right back taking your calls, but happy birthday to florida friend mimi. 87 years old and loves bridge and vacationing in mexico and devoted to her husband stan, two children, two grandchildren and two greats. happy birthday beautiful mimi and veteran atlanta defense attorney, miss rockwell. she is one of five cajun

siblings. she took the courthouse by storm. she was wearing purple boot when is i 50 met her. this was when we couldn't wear long pants to court. i knew he was a keeper. happy birthday, renee.

>> bradford! bradford! >> your hand's in the way. >> stop it. stop it. >> your hand is in the way. stop holding the bottle. >> you are seeing video off tmz of richard heene having his infant boy pose with a genuine draft beer and a cigar. ellie, am i missing something? is there more to the story other than this? >> in addition this, we don't know if or when any criminal charges will come down against

the heenes. >> wait a minute. ellie. look at the screen. see mommy, mayumi. look at her telling the story on national tv over and over and over with a straight face and then she said she can't speak english. maybe that's the problem. >> right. according to the sheriff's department, she told them that they lied and instructed the kids to lie and built this balloon with the purpose of creating a hoax. that's according to prosecutor, but they will wait and ask for more information before they decide whether to file charges. >> hi, wanda. what's your question? >> caller: my question is, do you have information on if this guy has ever been under psychiatric care. he sounds absolutely nuts. >> we don't know anything about that. we heard about the videos he posted and the tv aspirations and nothing about psychiatric care. >> i blame mommy just as much.

there she is wiping vomit from her kid's mouth while they are using the children and having them lie to police for them to get a cookie reality show. let's stop and remember army private first class kelly youngblood, just 19 from arizona, killed iraq. dreamed of being a soldier since 3rd grade. remembered for sense of humor and big heart. loved skateboarding and riding his bike e. kristin and david parents and two sisters. thanks to our guests, but especially to you for being with us. see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp eastern. until then, good night, friend.

>> this is a "showbiz tonight" news break. here's what's coming up at the top of the hour. new claims about michael jackson's this is it. does it exploit michael? i saw the movie and i will let you know what i think. andre agassi's crystal meth confession. that's your "showbiz tonight" news break. that's right here on hln.