tonight, live, colorado, the whole country on pins and needles. a little 6-year-old boy's life hanging in the balance and a beautiful silver space-like balloon soaring through the clouds. police, sheriffs, national guards, volunteers, the faa, even a whole airport and commercial carriers trying to save the life of a 6-year-old boy whose brothers and parents say is trapped inside that homemade balloon. eyewitness reports something or someone falls thousands of feet

to rough terrain. after 60 miles of terror, the balloon lands. no boy. was he dead? was he injured? was he lying down a ravine with every bone in his body broken? no, he was hiding in the family attic the whole time blurting out on national of course it was all, quote, for the show. not one but two morning shows that same boy so nervous he vomits when asked a question. breaking tonight, a stunning confession blows this case wide open. we learn the mom confesses to police it was a hoax from the get-go. the hen anhennes forcing their boys to lie. video of another attempt of daddy using the boys as fodder

for a reality show. we have the video. in addition to an alleged domestic abuse 911 call to the home, the boys, ages 6, 8, and 10 appear on youtube in a rap song allegedly their dad wrote and taught them, full of filthy language. the title is so vulgar, a smear on women, i will not repeat it on the air. richard heene's ex-wife with us live, taking your calls tonight. looks like bye-bye reality show, hello cell block. >> how long -- is the flying saucer gone as well? >> yes. about 20 minutes i think. >> it's been -- they've both been missing for about 20 minutes? >> yes. >> okay. >> oh, my god. oh, my god, my son. >> did you hear us calling your name at any time? >> mm-hmm. >> you did? >> you did? >> then why didn't you come out?

>> you guys said that we did this for a show. >> this is a hoax. >> i'm really sorry i yelled at him. >> it was a publicity stunt. >> absolutely no hoax. >> investigator says mayumi heene came clean on the whole deal. specifically, she said she lied to police. >> i don't know what happened to the tie, but it got loose or something. so it's flying. >> okay. you think he's flying around in the air somewhere? >> yes. >> he's in the air. >> he's in the air? >> yes. he's only 6. ♪ ♪

and breaking news, satsuma, florida. a 5-year-old girl tucked into bed. five hours later she's gone. daddy comes home from the nightshift to find not a trace of little haleigh. the last person to see her alive -- new stepmother misty croslin. croslin flies to new york, taking to the airwaves to declare she's innocent. but even in one brief interview she can't keep her story straight. including a 180 on a failed lie detector, claiming she passed, then admitting on tv she failed. bombshell tonight. according to sources inside the search and investigation, little haleigh is dead. search teams pack up and leave town, convinced haleigh is no longer alive.

tonight, as insiders announce haleigh is dead, croslin goes awol, skipping town again. why? >> i pulled into the yard. the front door was wide open. she was standing in it. i asked her what she was doing up. she told me that the back door was wide open and haleigh was gone. >> new developments in the case of missing 5-year-old florida girl, haleigh cummings. a searcher looking for haleigh cummings says he believes haleigh is dead. >> i know i didn't do anything to that little girl. i would never hurt her. they love me. >> the founder of texas equusearch, tim miller, believes haleigh is no longer alive and authorities will be lucky to find her body. miller says his group will no longer search for haleigh as they only search for missing children who could possibly still be found alive. >> ronald cummings, did it ever disturb you that misty croslin's

story actually changed? >> yes, ma'am, it did. >> putnam county authorities continue to work day and night on the case, poring through over 5,000 leads, hoping to find the one tip that could bring haleigh home. >> we would love to have a break in this case, and we really would not care who it implicates. >> misty has been deceptive. that her stories don't make sense. and that the key to this case lies with her. >> in other developments, stepmom/babysitter misty croslin's 911 call has been released. >> some black guy just jumped in my car and stole my whole purse and threw me out the car and he said he had a gun and said he was going to shoot me. >> croslin called cops after being robbed at gunpoint while allegedly trying to buy drugs. >> these highly addictive substances, we've seen people commit crazy crimes against their own family members because the drive of these drugs are so strong. good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. bombshell tonight. a stunning confession blows the

case wide open. we learn mom confesses to police it was all a hoax from the get-go. the balloon hoax. the boy in the balloon. and video surfaces tonight of another attempt of daddy using his own three boys as fodder for a different reality show. tonight we have the video. >> flying saucer. it wasn't supposed to fly. >> okay. >> it's -- we thought we had this thing tethered down. >> okay. >> and my -- i think my 6-year-old boy's -- >> what's wrong? >> he got inside. and it took off. >> he says he was hiding in the attic. and it's because i yelled at him and scared the heck out of him. >> the act was convincing. >> i'm really sorry i yelled at him. >> first there was the tear-filled post-attic news conference, and then to top it

off you had the 911 call where quiet mayumi heene gives quite a performance. >> we are doing experiment. the flying saucer, we made it here. and it's supposed to be tied down, so it's just floating and it's 20 feet up. >> mm-hmm. >> but i don't know what happened to the tie, but it's loose -- it got loose or something so it's flying. >> okay. you think he's flying around in the air somewhere? >> yes. >> then on cnn the story started to crumble. >> you guys said that we did this for a show. >> one of the guys told him it was for some tv show. so that's what he was referring to -- that's what he was referring to when he made that statement. >> and i know i want to point out that the sheriff's office said last night that they believe your account of what

happened but they do want to question you a little bit more. >> you are seeing the heene family on the nbc "today show." out to nia winder with 17 knus radio. i understand that mommy made a confession. >> mommy made a confession. >> after all this, what happened? >> apparently she went ahead and confessed in an -- they were taking an affidavit, that she was aware of the whole thing, knew it was a hoax, that her husband knew it was a hoax, and they planned it for about two weeks before it took place. >> to clark, give me the story surrounding this alleged confession by mom. after all we've been through she calls up to police just like that, they told their boys to lie to police and on tv? >> it didn't go exactly like that. it was a bit more involved. here is how law enforcement convinced the wife to talk. what happened was they talked to the husband, they said -- this

is on saturday, they said come down to the police station. we've got the aircraft for you and we'll turn it back. he comes down and they start questioning the husband. at that time law enforcement converges on the home, they question her. shea talks with them willingly law enforcement says. they take her down and she begins to talk. >> and it's my understanding, clark, that the morning after, that the lawyers are all mad that the affidavit she submitted to was released. they don't want the public to know. the parents are admitting it was a hoax. they're not talking about, hey, we're sorry we caused thousands and thousands of dollars, we had everybody upset. we used our own flesh and blood, our 6-year-old boy, we made him vomit on tv. they're not worried about that. they're mad that the affidavit was released? am i right? >> yes, nancy, and in addition to that, the husband's attorney is also saying, well, the confession may not be all that important because the wife's command of the english language

is not that great. >> hold on, hold on. let's play part of that 911 call. let's check out her english. i'm waiting on that 911 call. tell me when you have it cued up, norm. you do have it? okay. let's roll. >> hello? >> hi. >> hi, what's going on? >> we are doing experiment. the flying saucer, we made it here. and it's supposed to be tied down, so it's just floating and it's 20 feet up, but i don't know what happened to the tie, but it got loose or something so it's flying. >> okay. so you think he's flying around in the air somewhere? >> yes. >> unleash the lawyers p peter

odom, defense attorney atlanta. daniel horowitz, famed defense attorney, san francisco. all right, odom, give me your best shot. now the lawyers are saying the husband's saying she has a problem with english? did you hear the rest of that call? not only is her english not fluent but perfect, she even knows how to inject emotion. this is all a big act. she's crying. she sounds like she's hyperventilating about her little boy that could die any moment. >> ultimately, nancy, if this does go to trial, if they're ever charged with anything, it's going to be a case about mitigation of sentencing -- >> put odom's face up. >> they don't have criminal records. >> why can't you address -- you know, forget it, odom. you had your chance. horowitz, what do you have to say about the lame excuse she doesn't speak english? >> it's a lame excuse. but it's just one big hoax, nancy. it's the american tradition. it's not -- >> tradition, b.s.

at least if you're going to come up with a story, come up with something i can kind of believe, that i can at least wonder if it's true. we all heard that 911 call, not only is she speaking perfect english, she's also using perfect emotional inflection throughout to display her distress at her son who is about to fall thousands of feet through the air to his death. i have right here in my hands the affidavit. let's see a full screen of that, norm, that she signed where she states, the hoax was planned approximately two weeks earlier. the flying saucer was

specifically made to carry out the hoax. she and her husband had instructed their children to lie to authorities as well as to the media. there you have it. but let's take a look at video that we have just obtained of another failed attempt by the heenes to make a reality show. you're seeing it right there. that is video from tmz.com of the boys on a show produced by their father called box time. you're going to see the youngest one jumping in and out of the box. to susan moss, you're the child advocate, what the hey is going on with this bunch? >> this is absolutely awful. these children are not only being taught how to lie, but they're taught that they need to lie on such a grand scale that it caused one kid to throw up repeatedly on national television. this is just devastating and there will be penalties for

this. >> what is heene saying right there, norm? do we have sound for that. >> would you like me? i don't think so. that's what i'm saying. the boobs fake, i think. what do you think? fake or real? what is better? i have a few other things i want to talk about that is fake and real -- >> i don't want to hear the rest, but what i do want to see is the rap video mr. heene apparently allegedly wrote and produced for his children. it's been all over youtube, and the title is a slur on women. let's hear the sound, norm. where are the lyrics? ♪

♪ we're out in the road ♪ drop our pants ♪ with a big load ♪ colorado, dallas, amarillo ♪ south dakota, north dakota, kansas city too ♪ ♪ oklahoma city greens berg,burg wichita, omaha, too ♪ >> we're going to show you those lyrics shortly. in another shot in that rap song, peter odom, daniel horowitz, defense attorneys joining us tonight, they actually have one of the children smeared in i assume fake excrement sitting on a commode. and you all know the lyrics by now, i'm sure our producer sent them to you. it's full of filthy language. calling a gay guy a faggot up a tree, using slurs on women,

sexual slurs on women. that little boy is 6 years old now, daniel horowitz. i don't know how old he was when he was spewing that kind of filth on youtube. what about it? you've got a child to raise now. a new child. what do you think, horowitz? >> well, nancy, unfortunately, i think it's a sign of our times. this type of conduct is seemingly widespread. and he's not going to lose his children because of it -- >> if that's your best defense, i'm going to give you the commercial break to come up with something else. >> all right. >> everybody, as we go to break, congratulations to georgia friend of the show homecoming queen miss taylor minton. miss west side 2009. now, coincidentally, it runs in the family. her mother, dana graham minton, was on homecoming court several years ago. congratulations, beautiful taylor.

>> i hate these pajamas. these pajamas always stick to me. >> pajamas are [ bleep ]. ♪ ♪ let me tell you a story about

three cool kids ♪ ♪ we do storm chasing with mom and dad, in a tornado makes us glad ♪ ♪ we're out in the road ♪ drop our pants, we take a big load ♪ ♪ texas, colorado, dallas, amarillo, south dakota, south dakota, kansas city too ♪ ♪ we chase dirt devils, get sand in our pants ♪ ♪ our flies are itching, it's the fire ants ♪ ♪

♪ my name is ryo, i love big trains ♪ ♪ i run your -- over ♪ ♪ okay. it gets worse after that. and i'm leaving out the part where you have the sex slurs on women. i want to go back to patty, richard heene's ex-wife. you alluded to the fact that you got out of the relationship because your children were in fear. what, if anything, did mr. heene do allegedly that caused your children to be afraid, your two little girls? >> well, they watched him verbally throw fits and throw

things at us. he was like a master of mental warfare. he put us down, hollered at us a lot. he pushed me one time over a couch and then flipped the couch with me and the children on it, threw things at me, and sometimes you know, the things would not hit me but hit them. i filed a police report in lake arrowhead, california. and that was the night he flipped us over the couch and flipped the couch and he left marks on me from throwing things. >> with me is patty. this is heene's ex-wife. giving a little insight to their family life. out to the lines. tamara in texas. hi, dear. >> caller: hi. >> what's your question? >> caller: first of all, let me tell you, god bless your family. god bless your twins. and they're just adorable. >> and they're almost 2. >> caller: i know it. >> it went by just like that. >> caller: but with this heene family, nancy, shouldn't there

be somebody, cpa or some kind of, you know -- these kids are going to need counseling for so, so long. and i cannot believe -- to me the parents need to be throwed under the jail and these kids need to be got out of the environment they're in. and maybe it won't be too late to fix them. >> to dr. janet taylor, psychiatrist and m.d., what about tamara's point? >> well, i mean, clearly they do need some intervention, some psychological evaluations. and my hope is that the kids wouldn't get taken away from the parents but some real strict -- you know, if somebody has to go to jail, they go to jail and you keep this family together and teach them about how to raise their kids from here on. because potentially that could be more destructive if you remove these kids. >> right. out to the lines. ann in iowa. hi, ann. >> caller: hi, nancy. first of all, prayers for your mom's speedy recovery coming to her from iowa. >> thank you so much. this is a blouse she gave me for my birthday last week.

i'll pass that on to her. what's your question, dear? >> caller: i'm a parent and a grandparent, and i don't condone anything that i've watched about this family. my question, though, is do you think that possibly the mom confessed "a" to potentially avoid prosecution but "b" to possibly think it was the only way to get out of an abusive relationship? >> excellent question. sue moss, peter odom, daniel horowitz. there's nothing that says police cannot trick you into a confession. miranda applies when you are in custody. she was not in custody. she was in her own home. so that's not going to apply here. so do you think she did this to avoid prosecution of her, of herself, peter odom? >> it very well could be, nancy. the authorities are no doubt going to use her confession. they're going to try to get her to cooperate against him. and if he's as abusive as people are talking about, that might just happen. >> okay, guys.

i'm hearing in my ear we are going live now to our story on little haleigh cummings. insiders in the investigation and the search now say the little girl is definitely dead. take a listen. >> ronald, do you feel that misty is the key to this investigation? >> no, i don't. i think they're barking up the wrong tree. >> i don't believe you. i think you do suspect your ex-wife, soon to be ex-wife's story -- >> i seen the back door open, and then i go in her room and she's gone. and that's all i know. >> here's the back screen door, the one that was propped open with the cinder block. okay? now, if you see, when it closes, it slams, it makes a loud noise. but if you leave this door, this slowly closes as well. >> this is such a travesty and such a circus that i'm waiting for the acrobats to come in. it's one ridiculous story on top of another. it's all very ludicrous. and what about haleigh?

>> ron marries a woman that is questionable as to losing his child. and his child is missing, maybe being raped and tortured -- >> if this girl keeps doing what she's doing, it's only a question of time before she's charged with something having to do with this kid's disappearance. she just repeatedly -- >> to art harris, investigative journalist at artharris.com, art, people inside the search now saying they're packing up and leaving town. they've left. they say haleigh is dead. why? >> i talked to tim miller a little while ago. he believes that haleigh is dead. not so much for the evidence that he has but for the lack of it. he is the one who set up the polygraph. nothing she has said has helped investigators at all. so many inconsistencies. and nothing solid has led anybody to believe that she is alive. they can't prove she's alive. they've traced down, tracked down leads, about possible sightings, about one side of the family or the other. >> art, this pronouncement that haleigh is in fact dead is

coming from people inside the search and people that have had personal access to misty croslin, the new stepmother. what, if anything, has she revealed that makes them so sure it's over? >> nancy, it's pretty much what she hasn't revealed and what she -- they believe she is hiding. and i've spoken with people in the investigation, and they agree with miller privately. they will not say so publicly. they say they're treating this as if a child is still missing, but they investigate it the same way. >> joining me right now, special guest teresa neves. this is the paternal grandmother who has been front and center since the day haleigh went missing trying to find her, trying to publicize her photo and the tip line, which is 888-277-8477. there is a reward for information. teresa, i know that you disagree with search insiders that say she is dead. give me your side.

>> i absolutely disagree 100%. i believe that god hears prayer. i believe that there have been thousands and thousands of prayers for haleigh. i believe that she's alive. and i do not believe that tim miller is god or has a straight line to god. so until he can produce something else, i don't -- i just refuse to believe that my granddaughter is not alive and with us. >> well, miss neves, if the lord listens to a sinner, i hope he's heard my prayers, because i and so many other people are praying that you are right. we are taking your calls tonight on haleigh cummings. i want to first give you tonight's safety tips. a baby can drown in less than two inches of water. keep your baby safe at bath time. never leave the child alone. have all your bathing supplies

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so are you saying that you didn't fail the polygraph like

people and law enforcement are kind of claiming that you did? >> no, i did not. >> okay. so bottom line, you don't know where haleigh is? >> bottom line. >> breaking news in the case of missing 5-year-old florida girl haleigh cummings. the head of a search group involved in trying to find haleigh admits he's convinced that haleigh is dead. >> do not lie to me. you've never lied to me before to my knowledge. don't tell me that you didn't know police want to talk to her again. >> founder of texas equusearch tim miller says his group focuses on children who still have a chance to be alive, and that does not include little haleigh cummings. the family disagrees, maintaining their hope that haleigh is still alive, being held against her will. >> i believe haleigh is alive. i have faith in god to take care of my baby girl and find her. and i don't care who had something to do with it. >> meanwhile, croslin's 911 call released. misty croslin called 911 last week after being robbed while allegedly trying to score drugs. >> oh, my god, my leg and my arm

hurt so bad. >> do you need an ambulance? >> yeah, i think so. oh, my god. my purse is ripped. i can't move it. i can't move it. >> you have made an accusation that croslin was on a drug binge. do you have any evidence to support that claim? >> no, i don't. >> then why did you say it? >> it was just a thought. i mean, maybe she was. >> well, my apologies to crystal sheffield, the ex-wife of ronald cummings, because apparently when the new stepmother, misty croslin, calls 911, her two cohorts with her are saying they're out scoring dope when they get armed robbed. that's a good one. let me go to the lawyers. susan moss, what does she say to cops? come help me, the dope dealer robbed me of my dope and money? >> if you lay down with fleas, you know what they say.

this is just absolutely ridiculous. and it really shows what type of person we're dealing with. and the fact that her credibility is absolutely nil. this is just one further step to get her to hopefully, hopefully break because she is the key to tell us where this kid is. >> norm, let's hear that 911 call where she was allegedly scoring dope. >> i need to you stay on the phone with me. okay? >> oh, my god, my leg and my arm hurt so bad. >> do you need an ambulance? >> yeah, i think so. oh, my god. my purse is ripped. i can't move it. i can't move it. >> okay. stay on the phone with me. okay? >> okay. oh, my god.

>> do you know what he was wearing? >> all black. i know where he -- which way he ran. >> what did his gun look like? >> i don't know, he just -- >> you go score some dope right near a crack house, and then you call police crying because mr. dope dealer grabbed your arm during the transaction and you got a bruise. okay. i think that sums it up. let's get back to the issue at hand. to ellie jostad, our chief editorial producer, what can you tell me about reports of insiders with access to croslin who say this child is dead? >> right, nancy. well, that's tim miller. he's the founder of texas equusearch. he is saying that after being with misty croslin during that polygraph that he set up, after that layered voice analysis, he says that she keeps insisting that haleigh is alive, which makes him think that haleigh is actually dead and they're not going to find her. >> to marlaina schiavo, when she

says that on the lie detector, that the child is alive, was that proven to be a lie? >> according to tim and his polygrapher, yes. i mean, they said that it was full of deceit, all of the answers that she was giving. but at the same time, nancy, we have to keep in mind that as much as tim miller doesn't have any evidence that she's still alive, he hasn't really given us much evidence that she is dead. >> absolutely correct. and that is the point made by grandmother teresa neves. i want to go to ron shindell, former nypd deputy inspector. what, if anything, can police do now? they seem to be at a dead end. >> nancy, they have to keep going out doing standard, good old-fashioned detective work. keep shaking the trees, keep interviewing people, keep following leads even if they don't seem important. you have to get out there. someone knows something. and you have to keep searching at this point and keep the pressure on. >> joining me right now, dr. joshua perper, chief medical examiner broward county, author of "when to call the doctor,"

renowned in his field. dr. perper, if this child was killed that night, let's say she was not put in a trash dump or anything like that, her body was put out in the elements, which would be the most logical thing to do given the time constraint. could she be identifiable now? would her remains be identifiable? >> considering all the month which pass since her death, most likely now the body show advanced decomposition changes, which should make identification difficult. although some tissue might be still present for dna identification. but the advanced decomposition is also to make -- is also going to make difficult the determination of the cause of death if the injuries are limited to soft-tissue injuries -- >> you mean like a strangulation or a smothering?

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what did misty tell you that night about where haleigh was sleeping? >> her and junior were sleeping in my queen size bed, and that she was sleeping in the bed beside her, three or four feet from her. >> that story changed several times. out to the lines, lorraine, new jersey. hi, lorraine. >> caller: hi, nancy. one question kyle was answered but i have another one. the one question i was going to ask you, i wonder if they have any evidence that they are not wanting to reveal right now and number two, haleigh has turner syndrome. i understand she has to use an inhaler because she has asthma.

she has been gone so long without her inhaler, could she possibly have died from an asthma attack? i mean, she's little, she can't breathe. i mean -- or would somebody -- >> let's go to grandma on that. teresa nieves with us. how often did she have to use that inhaler? could she survive without it? >> yes, ma'am. the inhaler was basically for her to have if she had like the pneumonia symptoms starting. she would have an inhaler. she actually had two different inhalers. one that she could use before it started and one if it got bad and, you know, before she went to the hospital. >> tammy, new york. hi, tammy. >> caller: good evening, nancy. so nice to meet you. >> likewise. >> caller: you are my idol and i respect everything you do. >> i do not deserve that, but thank you for your compliment. what is your question, dear? >> caller: when her brother, the girl's brother that came to the

home at the request of haleigh's dad knocking that night, have they learned whether he noticed the back door propped open at that time. >> good question. to teresa nieves, you heard that story that he told police. he came to the home that night haleigh goes missing and nobody answered the door. this is around a quarter to 10:00. according to him, did he notice if the backdoor was open or shut? >> i had not spoken with tommy. >> from my knowledge of his statement he did not go around back. i just got a couple of seconds. ms. nieves, in your heart, you truly believe haleigh is still alive, regardless of what the insiders say? >> absolutely. absolutely. >> everyone, let's stop and remember army private first class steven walberg. just 18. dreamed of enlisting since 7 years old and would carry backpacks. awarded the bronze star, purple heart, army commendation medal. lost his life protecting a colonel in a sniper attack. loved math, physics and mentoring programs.

favorite album is "top gun" sound track. leaves parents karen and steve, sister leanna and brother jason. steven wahlberg, american hero. thanks to our guests and especially to you for being with us. see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp eastern. until then, good night, friend.

tonight, many catholics are furious with larry david because of a joke he made on his show "curb your enthusiasm" involving jesus. did the joke go too far? then michael jackson may be gone from the world, but he's very much alive at the box office. his new movie opened yesterday, and we're going to find out what's up with "this is it." plus, wanda sykes is on stage, on screen, on television and tonight on my show. is she just on a roll or is she on speed? she'll be here joining me in the studio. all this and more starts now.

now, some people call this clip from larry david's hbo series comedy and others blasphemy. you be the judge. here's the scene from "curb your enthusiasm" on sunday, god's day off, that started the controversy. ♪ >> some people say why is there a picture of jesus in the bathroom? joining me to discuss this and more, andy borowitz. of the bor oddwitz report.

michelle collins, comedian and managing editor of bestweekever.tv and lorri morgan, country music star extrodinaire. now, we just saw that. what it is, he -- first of all, i find it offensive to watch people urinate. that part annoys me. i know larry. he is hilarious and takes a lot of chances on that show. what he did was the urine accidentally goes on the picture of jesus and other people come in and religious people think that the portrait is crying. you know, these type of people who think that the face of jesus appears on a tamale and they get all excited. but it's that same group of people that he's making fun of. lorrie, i know you are a devout catholic. >> very much. >> does that offend you? >> it does. i -- i guess because i was raised to be reverent to jesus and to the church and that's my -- that was my upbringing. and that's how i feel. i feel it would have been funnier had he had his mother

hanging there or something. >> oh, yeah. as a matter of fact, before i go on with you two, the president of the catholic league issued a statement monday saying, last night's episode demonstrates that david's best years are behind him. he ought to quit while he's ahead. would he think it's comedic if someone urinated on a picture of his mother? >> really? >> he would think it's hilarious. that's one of the things that donahue, whatever his name is, he doesn't get. he would think that's the funniest thing. >> that's going to be an episode for "sweeps," i think, for larry. peeing on his mother's picture. >> or his mother peeing on him. every show larry does something to offend someone. i'm glad finally the catholics are feeling a little bit -- >> they got picked on. >> it's about time. >> i was a little bit offended as a urinator. i've got to say. >> i can see that. >> that is my group, people with the heavy flow. i was a little bit offended. >> he says, this guy, donahue, he says hbo only makes fun of catholics. what about this scene from "curb" when a holocaust survivor

argues with a contestant from the show, "survivor"? watch this. >> have you ever seen the show? >> did you ever see our show? it was called the holocaust. >> look, all i know is i was damn close to that million dollars. the whole time everyone's backstabbing me and undermining me trying to get me kicked off the show. >> i'm a survivor! >> i'm a survivor! >> i'm a survivor! >> i'm a survivor! >> i'm a -- >> he also took on the muslims in another episode. so he really is a religious basher on all counts. >> buddhists are next. >> maybe buddhists. they're pretty funny, buddhists. >> they are funny. >> i'm jewish. my grandparents are holocaust survivors. we, as jews, have bigger things to worry about like our people not getting re-murdered in europe. we have bigger fish to fry. than our -- you know, the adl or whatever coming after larry david. >> to me there's still something that is so -- and i -- i understand your point totally, but to me, it's just, i guess it's my upbringing.

it's just my opinion. i would never, ever think of doing something like that to a picture of jesus. i just -- >> because it offends the catholic sensibility. >> it does. i'm with my mom, who is 78 years old. totally -- i mean, she could be the pope, you know, if she wanted to be. that's how strict she is. >> i don't think technically she could be the pope. >> i agree. i'm not familiar with all the rules, but i think there are some problems -- >> she could be in our family. i mean, her sisters are the same way. so -- >> is it common to have jesus in the bathroom? this is my question. i would feel more uncomfortable having a hot dude in a beard watch me pee than getting my waste on him. he's a handsome guy, joy. >> jesus? in that rendition, we don't really know what he looks like. do they make up the way he looks? nobody knows what he looks like really. >> i would be heartbroken if -- >> if i found that out i'd be heartbroken, too. no hunchback. >> no hunchback jesus for me. >> he looks like willem dafoe. as far as i know.

>> i could never worship a man who looked like that. i'll be honest with you. >> speaking of leaking, levi johnston continues to leak dirt about sarah palin in their ongoing feud. did you know that? >> oh, yes. >> on the early show today he was asked about reconciling with the palins. take a look. >> is it too late to turn back now? is it too late to save that relationship? reconcile with the palins? >> yeah. i don't see myself over there for christmas or whatnot, so i don't know. >> oh, my god. >> do we really want this to end? andy, it's such a great thing. >> i never want it to end. first of all, i'm so happy he's posing nude. actually, i've been doing a little dance of joy in my office all day long. can't wait for the picture. like the tasteful wang on the antler shot. whatever they're going to go for. >> do you know he's going to drop his levis and show us his johnston? >> i know that. i think whatever floats your boat or whatever floats his stuff. it's fine with me. i don't care what he does.

i just don't want him bashing his family all the time. >> levi and sarah palin have become the republican version of jon and kate. they're like this fraught couple that doesn't get along. we haven't heard from bristol in months. todd, i -- >> she's laying low, bristol. she's smart to do that. >> todd, we've never heard from. >> what's todd doing? you know the palins, don't you, lorrie? >> i don't know them personally. i do not. i'm a sarah palin fan. >> you are? >> yes, i am. >> are you looking forward to her book? >> well -- >> i'm getting the english translation. >> are you? >> waiting for that. >> here's what levi said on the "early show" about his claim that palin called her son, trig, retarded. listen to this. >> you know, she'd be like, where's my retarded baby and all this. it wasn't right. i have no proof of showing you it's true, but i knows it. i was just in shock the first time i heard it. she would say it regularly. i was just like, you know -- i think she was joking but still, you know, doesn't make it right. >> do you think she really said that?

>> for sure. >> you do? >> oh, for sure. why would he make something like that up? >> because he's an idiot. >> he's an idiot. that's why he wouldn't make it up. he's too stupid to make that up. >> i can see levi being offended by the retarded remark. i think it probably didn't happen. think about it, guys. neither levi nor sarah palin has even been in haq for in alaska for the last 12 months. she's been out promoting the book -- >> therefore? >> this couldn't have happened. >> they were at the convention together. >> okay. that brief photo op. >> she passed the baby around. >> i'm sorry. i just don't think she said that. i just really don't. >> i think she has a whole other side to her we don't see. >> here's palin's response. she said, consider the source -- i remember when i was a kid, they'd go, consider the source of the most recent attention-getting lies. those who would sell their body for money reflect a desperate need for attention and are likely to say and do anything for even more attention --

meaning the full frontal in play girl. which by the way, does he know that mostly gay guys read that book? >> for sure. >> that's where the money is. gay porn. he's not stupid. >> i like when levi is on the shows like the "today show." they treat him like a serious political pundit, like he's george will or something like that. why does he have that credibility? i don't underat that. >> i don't understand it either. >> by the way, his "playgirl" shoot is on the same day oprah is interviewing sarah palin. coincidence, you tell me. thanks, everybody, very much. up next, one of the rare women of late night, wanda sykes, joins me.

people ask me why i'm doing late-night tv. well, now whenever we ask our friend to come over, they want to know, are the babies going to be there? of course the baby's going to be there. they're like, oh, we can't make it. i have to go give blood. so clearly i had no choice but to find another place to hang out. so this is my home away from home. but just don't tell my wife about it because right now she thinks i'm out in the garage putting together a highchair. >> i've known this woman for a long time. her hbo specials prove she's one of the funniest and edgiest women working in comedy today. not just women, anybody. her new late night talk show premieres on november 7th and i love the title, "the wanda sykes show." has a ring. i always wanted a show named after me, too. oh, i do have one. sorry. wanda, hi. >> hi. >> how are you?

>> good to be here. >> so, listen. you've got so many things going on, girlfriend. you've got the hbo special, you're on the christina -- what is it again? >> "new invincible christine." >> a laborious title but a funny show. and now you have a talk show at night competing with all the boys late at night. >> well, i'm on saturday night. >> oh, you're on saturday? >> the boys take the night off. >> chelsea has one, too? >> yeah. >> chelsea lately. she's on every night. >> i think she's on every night. >> you're only on on saturday night? >> saturday night. >> that's how you can do all this work. >> yes. with a black president now i don't have to work as hard. >> that's true. okay. >> i just do -- they wanted me to work seven nights. i was like, no, race card, black president. >> pass the race card. >> we get two race cards a year now with a black president. sweet. >> that's great. so the last person to -- a woman to have a talk show, late night, was joan rivers. that was 25 years ago.

>> wow. >> you know, i mean, that was -- dick cheney was still on his first pacemaker. nothing for that. okay, fine. >> i'm with you. i'm with you. >> it's fine. no, they're brain dead. it's tonight. rumor has it that you wanted a black head writer for your show. >> a blackhead writer? >> a black head writer. >> okay. >> not a blackhead writer. how many jokes can you do on one blackhead? >> you can't. there's not a lot there. >> why is it important for you to have a black head writer? >> i didn't specify i wanted a black, you know, head writer. i said i wanted a funny writer. a guy who was good. it wasn't -- i didn't put that out. that wasn't in the -- >> it wasn't? so it was just a rumor, not true. >> not true. not true. i said i wanted a head writer with a large penis. oh. >> okay. >> you can -- you know. however you want to go with that

one. >> i guess they interpreted it that way. >> and big lips. that's all i said. large penis and thick lips. that's what i said, all i wanted. >> and a good dancer. >> great dancer. >> so they can come to any conclusion they want. >> i didn't say nothing about black. >> i see. everyone's talking about the letterman show and the staff quoted -- all the staff quotes on all the shows. i found out last night here that there are 50 writers on all three shows and they're all male. >> really? >> all male. 50 male writers. is that shocking to you? >> it's very shocking. i have female writers, male writers, you know, black, white, it's a mix. yeah. >> you were a female -- a writer -- >> i still am. >> you're still a female show woman. >> yep. still there. >> and you were working with chris rock, right? >> working with chris rock, right. i was the only female on that staff. >> did anyone sexually harass you over there? >> i wasn't that hot back then. >> that was before you were a lesbian.

>> before i became a hot lesbian. >> now that you're a lesbian -- >> now i'm a hot lesbian. they would be all over me. back then, yeah, no, no one hit on me. i mean, come on. you know, i mean, we're filthy. comics are filthy. we talk, stuff we say is -- it's not appropriate outside of the comedy room. it's not. but, yeah -- but the guys over there, they were cool. >> they were cool with it. >> yeah. >> there's some kind of scuttlebutt about how the guys in the comedy room, they don't feel comfortable in front of the girls with their, you know, with their flat lens flatulence material. the girls probably go, that's not funny, and they don't like that. >> well, yeah. i guess. or, you know, they -- guys are -- i'm not going to even say intimidated, but it's, to me it's like they don't hear women in the writers' room. when you're there, you pick something and -- >> you're invisible. >> you're invisible.

it's like they don't even hear. another guy will pitch exactly what i just said and they think it's the funniest thing in the world. >> why is that? >> didn't i just say that? you know, i just said -- i think guys, like, when they're at work they tune off their ears to listen to a female's voice. you know? it's like, okay, i'm at work. no need to hear that. then when they go back home they turn it up a little bit and, okay, all right, okay, i can barely hear her. i hear her voice and that's it. >> i'm going to change the subject if you don't mind. >> we want to roll with that. it's your show. >> moving along here. because i want to talk about the fact that you came out as a -- you came out of the closet. i don't know if you were in the closet. >> i really wasn't in the closet. >> i knew you when you were married when you were wanda sykes-hall and the next thing i knew you were gay and just wanda sykes. i never saw that coming. >> you didn't see that coming? >> no. >> after we were making out, you

didn't see that coming? >> does that make you -- for goodness sakes. you came out at a same-sex marriage rally in las vegas in 2008. >> right. there was a lot -- i'm very proud. i'm proud to be a woman. i'm proud to be a black woman. i'm proud to be gay. and i love you all. now, let's go get our equal rights. come on. >> i'm not proud of that hair color. >> this is cute. this color's cute. when did you realize that you were gay? how did it happen? tell me. >> how did it happen? >> was it a slow -- >> i think -- you know, it was the way i was born and i think earlier on, like when i was in maybe second or third grade, i knew. >> oh, really? >> yeah. yeah. >> that you were attracted to the girls? >> i remember telling one of my brother's girlfriends or something, i was like, i wish i were a boy or whatever, so then you could be my girlfriend.

yeah. she was like, oh, no, no. you can't say that. you know? you can't think like that. so, you know, so you just go, okay, that was a bad move. you suppress everything and get in line. okay, this is the way things are supposed to be. >> you got in line for a long time. >> yeah. >> there must have been a trigger, though. where were you when it came to you? were you at a bowling alley? where were you? >> okay, yeah. bowling alley, softball game, come on. >> where were you? come on, tell me. >> i don't even remember. it just happens. you know? it's -- you know, you have the attraction there, i guess. >> you're not the first person. it happened to a -- >> i'm not the only gay person? get out of here. >> no, women comedians. women comedians who thought they were straight and then they turned out not to be. their so much happier now that they're out of the closet. >> so much happier. i want to talk about this and other stuff when we come back with wanda sykes, not wanda sykes-hall.

where's your husband now? >> first black president. but i got to tell you, it's a little bittersweet. it is. first black president and the country is broke. what the [ bleep ]?

thanks to curtis, i'm earning $15,000 a month in child support, but i don't even have a child. >> okay. that was my guest, wanda sykes, on "the chris rock show." that was a big break for you, wasn't it? >> yes. that was a big break. that was my first real tv gig as a writer. it got me in the writers guild. that's the ground where i learned everything, how to edit, produce. because it was such a writ writer-driven show. chris would let us stay with the piece. write it, go out and shoot it, edit, produce, and everything i learned from that show is why i can do my own show now.

i give chris all the credit. no check, just credit. >> okay. let me talk about your marriage a little bit. you got married? >> yes. >> you're not -- your marriage is not a civil union. >> it's a marriage. we got married before prop 8. >> what's your wife -- >> alex. >> that was before prop 8? >> yes. >> so are you still married in california? >> still married in california. >> there's a grandfather clause? for people who got married before? >> the marriages that happened before prop 8 passed are still valid. yes. so we're still married. >> that must have been a disappointing night, election night for you, because prop 8 passed. but of course obama won, so it's a mixed bag. >> yeah. it was very -- like a roller coaster ride. at first, like, obama won, yes! then it's like, we saw the numbers coming in and saw prop 8 was going to pass. so i couldn't even really fully enjoy my black president win. >> yeah. >> you know?

because now it's like, gee, okay, black president but now i'm a second-class citizen. >> are you disappointed with the fact he's dragging his heels on gay marriage a little bit? >> you know, would i like for him to step it up? yes. but i'm being very patient because, you know, when he took over, this country was in the dumper. >> i know it. >> i mean people -- there's like bush deniers out there, like it never happened. it happened. we were in, i mean, dire straits. the economy, everything. so i want him to take care of these problems first. these are things that he should be focused on. the war. i mean, afghanistan. iraq. these are the things that -- >> health care, the economy. >> these are the things that he needs to put on the, you know, on the forefront. i believe eventually he'll get to gay rights. you know, do we want to be standing in the back of the line waiting for it? no, but as long as we're in the line, as long as we're -- you know? he's getting to it.

>> the patience that the left is exhibiting is phenomenal for him because the right is really on his case and pushing him and he's not doing it and he's a do-nothing president and they just carry on like that. but the left like us, people like us are giving him time, more time. because we know. >> we know how awful, you know, the place we were in when he took office, and to criticize him, that's like somebody giving you life-saving cpr and then you go, your breath stinks. you know? >> exactly. i mean, dick cheney had the nerve to say he was dithering on afghanistan. when they rushed into iraq and there were no wmd there and they started a war that will not end. he says he's dithering. the nerve, the hypocrisy. it boggles the mind. stay there. we'll be back in a bit. we're not done with you yet.

rush limbaugh said he hopes this administration fails. you know, so you're saying i hope america fails? you're like, i don't care about people losing their homes or jobs or our soldiers in iraq? he just wants the country to fail. to me, that's treason. he's not saying anything differently than what osama bin laden is saying. you know, you might want to look into this. i think rush limbaugh was the 20th hijacker but he was so strung out on oxycontin he missed his flight. >> i'm back with the very funny woman. her new late night talk show premieres on november 7th. that was from the washington correspondents dinner.

you caused a lot of controversy at that dinner. everyone who does it causes controversy and gets criticized for it. it's a thankless job. why did you say yes? >> i mean, cause, come on, it's the first black president. >> got to do it. >> you got to do it. i had to do it. it's just an honor to be invited, you know? so -- i said -- i made a decision. i was like, you know what, you asked for it so you're going to get it. i'm not going to hold back. i'm not going to hold back. you know? i'm going to show up and be me. >> was limbaugh mad? >> i have no idea. i don't know. who cares. >> who cares. >> it was so funny because i was so wrapped up into doing it, focusing. i was sitting at the table. the first lady is there. i'm going through my notes and going through my cards. okay, i got it, i got it. she leaned over to say something to me and i -- she leaned over and said something. i literally looked at her and went -- and went back to my cards. that's how focused i was. i brushed off the first lady, like, i'm working, woman.

>> she was interrupting you. >> yeah, interrupting me. hey, hey. busy. >> busy. working over here. >> people ask me, what was that experience like? i don't even remember. >> let me go back a minute to your family. because i'm very interested. you have twins now. >> yes. >> and what's your girlfriend's name again? >> alex. >> alex. i keep thinking kelly. i'm thinking of another couple i know. >> yeah. okay. >> so alex gave birth to the babies, right? sorry. and so -- has your family seen the babies? how are they dealing with all of this? it's an interracial gay marriage. >> right. >> it's a lot to digest. >> so we should stay out of louisiana is what you're saying. >> mississippi. i would say alabama. >> we should just take a ride through the south and just film it. we should. just see how many states we can get through. you know, here's the mississippi border.

>> i mean, has anyone in your family come to see the kids? are they accepting of it? do you care? >> my brother and his wife, my nephews, they've seen the kids. and it's just like an issue as far as with distance, i guess. my parents do plan on seeing the kids. >> so everything is copacetic at home with this? >> not going to say that, but it's getting there. >> when does your new show start? >> november 7th. >> do you feel nervous about it? >> a little. but usually everything just comes together. you know? i work hard at it. keith robinson, a very funny comic, we've been friends for 20 years. so it will be -- it's great. i get to hang out with keith and just every week just rip him apart. >> i just want you to be successful at this, because it's been so many years and there's never a woman in late night, particularly on the big three networks.

we have "chelsea late night" and now you. you know, those real money-makers. >> mo'nique is on b.e.t. >> mo'nique. did you see precious? >> not yet. i want to see her. >> she -- i hope she comes on this show. i want to tell her what a brilliant performance she gave in that movie. oh my god. the levels -- the levels -- she's a comedienne. who knew she was such an -- it was like meryl streep level. really very interesting stuff. so what to you think about how the country's going now? do you feel positive about it? >> i feel -- i feel positive. i just hope we don't lose focus because when you see how we all jump behind balloon boy, that's scary. >> i know. >> that's scary. that balloon boy -- >> did you think he was in that thing? you didn't think -- i said, he can't be in that thing. >> no, no. i knew he wasn't in there. look at the father, he looks

like a big dummy. it was like what makes you think this idiot could build a spaceship that could carry a child? look at it. it looks like a big bag of jiffy pop. what the hell? >> exactly. >> everybody wanted -- they loved the drama of it. loved the drama of it. everybody was disappointed when they found out the little boy was okay. like oh -- >> they weren't disappointed. >> joy, they weren't disappointed. they wanted that boy to be found in the woods somewhere being protected by like a bear or something. they wanted a bear to come out of the woods. >> have you seen the new michael jackson movie? >> no, i have not. i plan -- that's another thing on my list. because you know i have a lot of free time now, joy, with a show and kids and everything. >> i haven't been able to see it. >> why are you asking me like i have free time, like a life or something? >> i'm sorry. i thought maybe you saw it. now that he's dead he's making a lot of money. >> he is making a lot of money. >> a lot.

is it the third or the fourth? the third wealthiest dead celebrity. >> the third? >> the third wealthiest. >> elvis and who? >> elvis is fourth. >> who are the other two? >> yves saint laurent, the designer. composers rodgers & hammerstein. one and two. then michael jackson, then elvis. isn't that something? it's fascinating to me. >> i was going to say something very inappropriate. >> go ahead, say it. >> no. >> we can cut it out. we can cut it out. we have a seven-second delay. come on, say it. say it. do you want to say the "f" word? want to say the "f" word? >> no, it's fine. >> say it, come on, wanda. >> nothing. not going to get it out of me. >> what's the most tasteless joke you've ever told? >> what i was about to say. >> i'm telling you, we have ways here to cut things out. go ahead. >> you get it and then you air it. what this [ bleep ] said. >> no, we wouldn't. i promise you. >> i'll tell you later. want me to write it down for

you? okay. >> now, what's the thing you love the most? is it standup, is it the tv show? is it acting? you do everything. >> it's all of it. >> you love all of it? >> i love all of it. i think i would probably get bored if i was just doing one -- but stand-up is the -- that's the key right there. that's where it all starts. >> it's the most stressful. why is it? tell people why it's the most stressful. i'm tired of saying it because i know it is. i know it is. >> it's just you. you know, you, it's the audience, and it's never the same. because you don't know what kind of audience you're going to get. you don't know what the building -- you know, the venue is like. it's just, you're alone. you're alone. there's no edit -- okay, i'll cut that out. you know? >> everybody's wearing clothes and you're naked. that's how it feels. everybody's looking at you and you have no clothes on and they're sitting there in tuxedos. >> you're alone, right.

>> it's make me laugh, bitch? >> exactly. >> do you think it's harder for women? >> i think it's -- well, i don't know about harder for women. you do have to get past this first. you know, it's, okay, stop looking at my boobs. can you hear me? let's have some fun. let's have some jokes. >> do you think it's easier for lesbians? >> easier for lesbians? >> yeah. >> hot lesbians or -- >> no, not hot lesbians, just lesbians. just plain old lesbians. you think it's easier? because the men, if they know you're a lesbian -- >> no. because now they're all doing is fantasizing about, i bet i could turn her. >> exactly. >> or picture me with, you know, fantasize about joining in. so -- actually, it's harder for me, joy. it's harder. >> is it harder for you? >> it's harder. >> anyway, good luck with everything. you're doing great. you're on a roll. it's great to have you here.

>> thank you, good to be here. >> the show is called "the wanda sykes show." producers are so clever, aren't they? it premieres on fox on november 7th.

♪ be careful what you do be careful what you do ♪ ♪ because the lie becomes the truth ♪ ♪ hey, hey ♪ billie jean is not my lover she's just the girl who claims that i am the one ♪ >> michael jackson's "this is it" debuted this week among

acclaim and controversy. everyone is talking about it. take a look. >> right there. ♪ into the nighttime ♪ if this town is just an appetite ♪ ♪ and they say why, why ♪ and they say why, why ♪ and they say why, why >> joining me to talk about the movie, the man, the money, frank dileo and gayle king, editor at large at "o" and host of "the gayle king show" on sirius xm. gayle, let me start with you. it seems like it's a fabulous film. do you think it's oscar worthy? they're talking about nominating it for best documentary. >> i actually do think it's oscar worthy.

what's so funny to me is my own reaction to it. i was always a fan of michael jackson's music, but i can't say i was still into michael jackson the way i used to be. but after he died and hearing all of his music, it brought it all back about why i liked him. so when i went to go see this movie, i can honestly say to you i was blown away and not expecting to be. i was blown away because you see his passion for what he does, his humility, his kindness to people was really something to see. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. frank, did you see the film? >> oh, yes, i've seen it, many stages. of course, i've seen the finished product many times. gayle is right. it shows the warmth of michael. it shows his work ethic. it shows how passionate he was about this show and how perfect he wanted it to be. >> joy, he was a perfectionist in every sense of the word. >> the music is great. i mean, when you just want to move. >> and i'm telling you, joy, it brings it all back to you. what bothers me when i hear

people criticizing the movie. because this was not a movie that was supposed to be for public consumption. this was for his own personal library. we were never supposed to see this. when people say, they had to use subtitles, well, he wasn't talking to us. there wasn't a microphone. >> do you think he would be upset if he knew everyone was watching this movie? >> no. may i butt in for a second? >> yes, frank, please butt in. >> please butt in. >> what this is, this is the documentary part of all of his tours. my history with michael, we always filmed rehearsals backstage. crowds. that's all we were doing. unfortunately when he passed away, as we were sitting there talking amongst ourselves remembering the great times, we threw on some film and we were just looking at it and somebody said, you know, this would have been such a great show, but the fans should see what he was really about. that's how this came to pass. >> let me ask you something. did he seem healthy, frank?

because protesters were saying he was unhealthy and aeg was using him to make a profit. >> no. that's an absolute lie. >> it's a lie? >> michael was healthy. >> then why all the drugs and the doctor 24/7? what was that about? >> well, i'll explain it to you. he was 136 pounds. now, for some reason, michael wanted a doctor to go on tour. i wasn't aware of this doctor. we met him one time. all right? >> yeah. >> i don't know why he wanted that. the man was 50 years old. he made decisions without me. i was in charge of the tour, not his personal, personal, personal life. >> you didn't really know what was going on? >> no. no. if i would have known, do you think i would have let it happen? >> i can't say, joy, he looked unhealthy in the movie that we saw. you know, it's my understanding, frank, they recorded 100 hours. we only saw two. but he was very, very thin. but i have no way of knowing -- i don't think anybody really

knows whether he was healthy or not. >> joe jackson, his father, his father claimed body doubles were used. >> i didn't believe that. i think joe jackson said a lot of things that are very skeptical to those of us who have seen the movie. i didn't see indication of a body double. >> what do you think of that, frank? >> there are no body doubles. was there a stuntman? any manager or any studio would not let somebody in a blue screen maybe slide down a ban ster or jump through a window. >> do you think joe is mad because he's not making money on this film? >> you'll have to make that decision on your own. >> what do you think, frank? come on. >> no, no, no. >> frank, what do you think? >> come on, frank. >> you know joe jackson. i don't. do you know joe jackson, joy? >> no, but i've seen him on television and don't believe a word he says, frankly. it's interesting. i mean, there's a lot of money we're talking about. because michael jackson -- i just saw the crawl yesterday that he's the third richest dead celebrity in the world.

do you know who the first one is? yves saint laurent. worth $350 million dead. michael jackson, $90 million. elvis presley only a mere $55 million. i would have thought he was more than that. >> i'm not surprised the numbers have jumped for michael jackson. i didn't have one michael jackson song on my ipod. after he died and i started hearing all the music, i decided that i wanted to get all of the top things that i remember. i know a lot of people have done that. >> it's interesting. >> you didn't do that, joy? you don't have michael jackson joys on your ipod? >> i don't know how to even download. how much do you think this film's going to make? frank, do you know? >> well, i -- we think it's going to do very well. right now, two days, we're at about $22 million. but you have to remember something. that 90% of all the profits go to the children's trust. >> that's good. >> not only that, they're saying right now it's only going to play for two weeks. i don't believe that, joy. i believe there will be such a demand for the movie, they'll say, well, why don't we extend

it another week, why don't we extend it another two weeks? right now, it's really genius when you think about it, to be told you only have two weeks. you think, i have to go see it now. >> it hasn't sold out everywhere. did you know that? >> no, i did not know that. >> it has not sold out everywhere, frank. did you know that? maybe it's too much of michael right now or the economy? i don't know what the reason is. >> i heard it was sold out everywhere. >> it may be -- it could be in certain areas that it hasn't sold out. our research hasn't been, you know, that great today for me to comment on that. >> yeah. >> but i'm sure there's small pockets that haven't sold out. i'm sure buffalo didn't sell out. >> would you go see it? >> i would love to see it. >> we never sold a lot of records in buffalo. >> i would like to see this movie. a lot of the money is going to go to the kids. do you think the children should see the movie? will it have a negative effect on the kid or what? >> well, it's funny -- go ahead, frank. >> i'm sorry. the children do want to see the film.

they both have had the flu. they've missed two of the screenings set up for them. they will see it probably in the next week or so. >> a lot of the -- a news article i read said that these children are being used as pawns in the financial tug-of-war that's going on. used as pawns financial tug-of-war that's going on. >> see, i don't know anything about -- are the children being used or not used. i think whether the decision is made for them to see it will come at a time when they're ready. but when i was sitting there watching it, i was watching with my daughter who is 23, and i said i wonder how difficult it would be for his kids. i found it difficult to watch, and i never met michael jackson. i never had a conversation with him, but i felt such sadness for the life that he had. i really did. it made me so incredibly sad. so i can't imagine what it's like for people who loved him and knew him. two of the brothers were on oprah the other day, jackie and tito, and i believe it was tito who said it was too painful for him to see it yet, that he was not able to see it. i'm curious about the people who

loved him and really knew him. >> i want to talk about when we come back about his legacy and how it's being affected. we'll come back and talk more about the michael jackson movie in just a moment.

i love this because it shows there is a person in him throughout all the shows and everything. you see that he is focused and concentrating on the band, the dancers. you see there is a humane side to him as opposed to him being on stage all the time in the glitz and the glamour. so i think he would be very proud. sdplz i >> i'm back discussing all the madness of the new jackson film "this is it," with the beautiful gayle king. you look great tonight, by the

way. >> thanks. >> so does the movie help his image or hurt his legacy? what do you think? >> i think his legacy is filled with a lot of contradictions. there are a lot of people that believe michael jackson had a lot of issues. i'm one of those people. but i do believe this movie will help his legacy. and a lot of people i know saw the movie, jermaine alluded to it a second ago, saw a totally different side of him. joy, he was very kind and very -- >> he was kind. >> based on the tape that i saw, he was very kind with the people that he worked with. even when he was chastising one of the musicians in the movie. somebody did something he disagreed with, and he said, i say this with l-o-v-e, love, but could you please do -- i believe that's something people will pick up on. he said, let it simmer. i believe that will be a pop culture reference. you see how positive he was about his work and you admire

that. >> yes, he was a con sum at professional in his work, really. but frank, you knew him a long time as his manager r, right? >> right. >> what about all the negative stuff gayle alluded to? some of the stuff in his background was not always positive and wonderful, what about that? >> i've known michael since 1979 and i managed him the longest at 5.5 years in the middle of his career. yeah, there has always been a lot of controversy with michael. but i think when you see this film, you'll get a new revived feeling for him. people who loved him will love it. people who are just being introduced to him as young children will love him. people who are older and see it will remember him in a great light. >> what about all the bad press he got about having children in his bed and all that stuff that came out a few years ago? is that going to go away? it's all garbage? >> i think so. a lot of it was ciggarbage.

some of it was important, some of it wasn't. but this clears up the legacy and sets it straight. >> gayle, there seems to be a different perception of him with the races. 44% are fans of michael jackson, and 81% are fans? >> 81% are fans and only 44% are white. >> i don't agree with those numbers. when you go to a concert, you see a tremendous mixture of the people that go to see michael jackson. so i'm surprised to hear that. no, no, no. i disagree with those facts, mrs. behar. where did you get them? i think as frank said, the people who loved him before will continue to do so. >> and i love both of you for coming on the show.

thank you for watching. good night, everybody. ninininini

tonight, live, colorado. the whole country on pins and neeldss. a six-year-old kid's life hanging in the balance and a beautiful space-like balloon, soaring through the clouds. the faa, even a whole airport and commercial carriers trying to save the life of a six-year-old boy whose brothers and parents say is trapped inside that homemade balloon. eyewitness reports say something or someone fell thousands of

feet to rough terrain near the colorado rocky mountains. after 60 miles of terror, the balloon lands. no boy. was he dead? was he injured? was he lying down a ravine with every bone in his body broken? no! he was hiding in the family attic the whole time, blurting out on national tv it was all, quote, for the show. on not one, but two, morning shows that showed the boy so nervous, he vomits when asked the question. breaking tonight, a stunning confession blows this case wide open. we learn the mom confesses to police it was a hoax from the get-go. the heenes forcing their boys to lie on tv and to police, all to make the family famous. more disturbing news about the boy's home environment. video of another attempt of daddy using the boys as fodder

for a reality show. we have the video. in addition to an alleged 911 call to the home, the boys appear on youtube in a rap song allegedly their dad wrote and taught them full of filthy language. the title is so vulgar, a smear on women. i will not repeat it on the air. richard heene's ex-wife with us live taking your calls tonight. looks like bye bye reality show, hello, cell block. >> is the flying saucer gone as well? >> for about 20 minutes. >> they've both been missing for about 20 minutes? >> yes. >> okay. >> we've got to find my son. >> did you hear us calling you at any time?

>> yeah. >> you did? >> why didn't you come out? >> you said that we did this for a show. >> i'm really sorry i yelled at him. it was a publicity stunt. >> investigators said mayune heene came clean. she said she lied to police.

breaking news in florida. a seven-year-old girl tucked into bed. five hours later, she's gone. no trace of little hayleigh. even in one brief interview, she can't keep her story straight, including a 180 on a failed lie dete detector, claiming she passed. according to sources inside the search and investigation, little hayleigh is dead. search teams pack up and leave town, convinced hayleigh is no

longer alive. tonight, as insiders say hayleigh is dead. croslin goes awal, skipping town again. why? >> i pulled into the yard, the front door was wide open. she was standing in it. i asked her what she was doing up. she told me the back door was wide open and hayleigh was gone. >> new discoveries in the missing five-year-old girl, hayleigh cummings. >> i didn't do anything to that little girl. i love her. >> they believe hayleigh is no longer alive and authorities will be lucky to find her body. they say they will no longer search for hayleigh as they only search for missing children who could be found alive. >> did it ever disturb you that

misty croslin's story actually changed? >> yes, ma'am, it did. >> putnam county authorities continue to workday and night on the case, poring over 500 leads, hoping to come across the one tip that would bring hayleigh home. >> misty has been deceptive, her stories don't make sense, and the key to this case lies with her. >> misty croslin's 911 call has been released. >> croslin called cops after being robbed at gunpoint after allegedly trying to buy drugs. >> we've seen people commit crazy crimes against their own family members because the drive of these drugs are so strong. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i thank you for being with us.

bombshell tonight. a stunning confession blows the case wide open. we learn mom confesses to police it was all a hoax from the get-go. the balloon hoax, the boy in the balloon, and video surfaces tonight of another attempt of daddy using his own three boys as fodder for a different reality show. tonight we have the video. >> he said he was hiding in the attic because i yelled at him, scared the heck out of us. >> the act was convincing. >> i'm really sorry i yelled at him. >> first there was the tear-filled post-attic news conference. then to top it off, you had the

911 call where quiet mayume heene puts on quite a performance. >> then on cnn, the story started to crumble. >> because you said that we did this for a show. >> one of the guys told him it was for a tv show, so that's what he was referring to. and that's what he was referring to when he made that statement. >> and i know i want to point out that the sheriff's office said last night that they believe your account of what

happened, but they do want to question you a little bit more. >> you are seeing the heene family on the nbc today show. out to ian bender. i understand that mommy made a confession. >> mommy made a confession. she did. >> after all this, what happened? >> apparently she went ahead and confessed in an affidavit -- well, they were taking an affidavit, that she was aware of the whole thing, knew it was a hoax, that her husband knew it was a hoax, and they planned it for about two weeks before it took place. >> clark, give me the story behind this confession by mommy. after all they've been through, she called up police just like that, they told their boys to lie to police and on tv? >> it didn't go exactly like that, nancy, there was a bit more involved, and here's how law enforcement convinced the wife to talk. they talked with the husband --

this is on saturday, the hoax happened on thursday -- they said come on down to the police station, we've got the aircraft for you and we'll give it back. he came on down and they started questioning the husband. at that time law enforcement converges on the home of mayumi and the children, they question her, they take her down and she begins to talk. >> it's my understanding, clark goban, the morning after, they're all mad that the affidavit she submitted to was released. they didn't want the public to know. the parents are admitting it was a hoax. they're not talking about, hey, we're sorry we cost thousands and thousands of dollars. we had everybody upset, we used our own flesh and blood, our six-year-old boy, we made him vomit on tv. they're not worried about that. they're mad that the affidavit was released. am i right? >> yes, nancy, and in addition to that, the husband's attorney was also saying, well, the confession may not be all that important because the wife's command of the english language is not that great. >> well, hold on, hold on.

norm, let's play part of that 911 call. let's check out her english. >> i'm waiting on that 911 call. tell me when you've got it queued up, norm. you do have it? let's roll.

>> alicia, atlanta, famd attorn -- famed attorney, san francisco. the wife is saying, the husband is saying she had a problem with english? did you hear the rest of that call? not only is her english not fluent but perfect, she even knows how to inject emotion. this is all a big act. she's crying, she sounds like she's hyper ventilating about her little boy that could die at any moment? >> nancy, if this case does go to trial, if they're ever charged with anything, it's going to be a case about mitigation of sentence. >> why can't you address -- forget it, odom. you had your chance. horowitz, what about that statement that she doesn't understand english? >> it's just one big hoax. >> okay, tradition.

b.s.

if you're going to come up with a story, come up with something i can kind of believe. we all heard that 911 call. not only is she speaking perfect english, she's also using perfect emotional in flexion throughout to display her distress that her son was about to fall thousands of feet through the air to his death. i have right here in my hands, the affidavit. let's see a full screen of that, norm, that she signed, mayumi heene signed, where she states, the hoax was planned approximately two weeks earlier.

the flying sauceer was specifically made to carry out the hoax. that she and her husband had instructed their children to lie to authorities as well as to the media. there you have it. but let's see the other attempts they've made to receive a reality show. that is a show you'll see of their father called "box time." you'll see the little boy, i believe the youngest one, falcon, jumping in and out of the box. you're the child advocate. what the hay is going on with this bunch? >> this is absolutely awful. these children are not only being taught how to lie, but they're taught they need to lie on such a grand scale that it caused one kid to throw up repeatedly on national television. this is just devastating, and there will be penalties for

this. >> what is heene saying right there, norm? do we have sound with that? >> i don't want to hear the rest. what i do want to see is the rap video that mr. heene reportedly wrote and produced for his children. it's been all over youtube and the title is "a slur on women." let's hear the sound, norm. where are the lyrics? ♪

♪ we're out in the road ♪ drop our pants ♪ ♪ colorado, dallas, amarillo ♪ south dakota, north dakota, kansas city too ♪ ♪ oklahoma city ♪ wichita, omaha too >> we're going to show you those lyrics shortly. in another shot in that rap song, peter odom, daniel horowitz, defense attorneys joining us tonight, they actually have one of the children smeared in i assume fake excrement sitting on a commode. and you all know the lyrics by now, i'm sure our producer sent them to you. it's full of filthy language. calling a gay guy a faggot up a tree, using slurs on women, sexual slurs on women. that little boy is 6 years old

now, daniel horowitz. i don't know how old he was when he was spewing that kind of filth on youtube. what about it? you've got a child to raise now. a new child. what do you think, horowitz? >> well, nancy, unfortunately, i think it's a sign of our times. this type of conduct is seemingly widespread. and he's not going to lose his children because of it -- >> if that's your best defense, i'm going to give you the commercial break to come up with something else. >> all right. >> everybody, as we go to break, congratulations to georgia friend of the show homecoming queen miss taylor minton. miss west side 2009. now, coincidentally, it runs in the family. her mother, dana graham minton, was on homecoming court several years ago. congratulations, beautiful taylor.

>> i hate these pajamas. these pajamas always stick to me. >> pajamas are [ bleep ]. ♪ ♪ ♪ let me tell you a story about three cool kids ♪

♪ we do storm chasing with mom and dad, in a tomorrow makes us glad ♪ ♪ we're out in the road ♪ drop our pants, we take a big load ♪

okay. it gets worse after that. and i'm leaving out the part where you have the sex slurs on women. i want to go back to patty, richard heene's ex-wife. you alluded to the fact that you got out of the relationship because your children were in fear. what, if anything, did mr. heene do allegedly that caused your children to be afraid, your two little girls?

>> well, they watched him verbally throw fits and throw things at us. he was like a master of mental warfare. he put us down, hollered at us a lot. he pushed me one time over a couch and then flipped the couch with me and the children on it, threw things at me, and sometimes you know, the things would not hit me but hit them. i filed a police report in lake arrowhead, california. and that was the night he flipped us over the couch and flipped the couch and he left marks on me from throwing things. >> with me is patty. this is heene's ex-wife. giving a little insight to their family life. out to the lines. tamara in texas. hi, dear. >> caller: hi. >> what's your question? >> caller: first of all, let me tell you, god bless your family. god bless your twins. and they're just adorable. >> and they're almost 2. >> caller: i know it. >> it went by just like that. >> caller: but with this heene family, nancy, shouldn't there

be somebody, cpa or some kind of, you know -- these kids are going to need counseling for so, so long. and i cannot believe -- to me the parents need to be throwed under the jail and these kids need to be got out of the environment they're in. and maybe it won't be too late to fix them. >> to dr. janet taylor, psychiatrist and m.d., what about tamara's point? >> well, i mean, clearly they do need some intervention, some psychological evaluations. and my hope is that the kids wouldn't get taken away from the parents but some real strict -- you know, if somebody has to go to jail, they go to jail and you keep this family together and teach them about how to raise their kids from here on. because potentially that could be more destructive if you remove these kids. >> right. out to the lines. ann in iowa. hi, ann. >> caller: hi, nancy. first of all, prayers for your mom's speedy recovery coming to her from iowa. >> thank you very much. this is a blouse she gave me for my birthday last week. i'll pass that on to her.

what's your question, dear? >> caller: i'm a parent and a grandparent, and i don't condone anything that i've watched about this family. my question, though, is do you think that possibly the mom confessed "a" to potentially avoid prosecution but "b" to possibly think it was the only way to get out of an abusive relationship? >> excellent question. sue moss, peter odom, daniel horowitz. there's nothing that says police cannot trick you into a confession. miranda applies when you are in custody. she was not in custody. she was in her own home. so that's not going to apply here. so do you think she did this to avoid prosecution of her, of herself, peter odom? >> it very well could be, nancy. the authorities are no doubt going to use her confession. they're going to try to get her to cooperate against him. and if he's as abusive as people are talking about, that might just happen. >> okay, guys. i'm hearing in my ear we are going live now to our story on

little haleigh cummings. insiders in the investigation and the search now say the little girl is definitely dead. take a listen. >> ronald, do you feel that misty is the key to this investigation? >> no, i don't. i think they're barking up the wrong tree. >> i don't believe you. i think you do suspect your ex-wife, soon to be ex-wife's story -- >> i seen the back door open, and then i go in her room and she's gone. and that's all i know. >> here's the back screen door, the one that was propped open with the cinder block. okay? now, if you see, when it closes, it slams, it makes a loud noise. but if you leave this door, this slowly closes as well. >> this is such a travesty and such a circus that i'm waiting for the acrobats to come in. it's one ridiculous story on top of another. it's all very ludicrous. and what about haleigh? >> ron marries a woman that is

questionable as to losing his child. and his child is missing, maybe being raped and tortured -- >> if this girl keeps doing what she's doing, it's only a question of time before she's charged with something having to do with this kid's disappearance. she just repeatedly -- >> to art harris, investigative journalist at artharris.com, art, people inside the search now saying they're packing up and leaving town. they've left. they say haleigh is dead. why? >> i talked to tim miller a little while ago. he believes that haleigh is dead. not so much for the evidence that he has but for the lack of it. he is the one who set up the polygraph. nothing she has said has helped investigators at all. so many inconsistencies. and nothing solid has led anybody to believe that she is alive. they can't prove she's alive. they've traced down, tracked down leads, about possible sightings, about one side of the family or the other. >> art, this pronouncement that haleigh is in fact dead is

coming from people inside the search and people that have had personal access to misty croslin, the new stepmother. what, if anything, has she revealed that makes them so sure it's over? >> nancy, it's pretty much what she hasn't revealed and what she -- they believe she is hiding. and i've spoken with people in the investigation, and they agree with miller privately. they will not say so publicly. they say they're treating this as if a child is still missing, but they investigate it the same way. >> joining me right now, special guest teresa neves. this is the paternal grandmother who has been front and center since the day haleigh went missing trying to find her, trying to publicize her photo and the tip line, which is 888-277-8477. there is a reward for information. teresa, i know that you disagree with search insiders that say she is dead. give me your side.

>> i absolutely disagree 100%. i believe that god hears prayer. i believe that there have been thousands and thousands of prayers for haleigh. i believe that she's alive. and i do not believe that tim miller is god or has a straight line to god. so until he can produce something else, i don't -- i just refuse to believe that my granddaughter is not alive and with us. >> well, miss neves, if the lord listens to a sinner, i hope he's heard my prayers, because i and so many other people are praying that you are right. we are taking your calls tonight on haleigh cummings. i want to first give you tonight's safety tips. a baby can drown in less than two inches of water. keep your baby safe at bath time. never leave the child alone. have all your bathing supplies ready at one time.

and if you forget something, take the baby with you if you've got to step away. baby bathtubs can help stabilize a wet slippery child so they don't fall. but they should be slip resistant, made of thick plastic and stay firm under the weight of water. stay away from those bath rings and flotation devices and suction seats that don't have restraints. they flip over, and babies can drown, and baby's stuck in the circle. always drain the tub completely when you're through. and know cpr. for more info go to kidshealth.org.

so are you saying that you didn't fail the polygraph like people and law enforcement are kind of claiming that you did? >> no, i did not. >> okay. so bottom line, you don't know where haleigh is? >> bottom line. >> breaking news in the case of missing 5-year-old florida girl haleigh cummings. the head of a search group involved in trying to find haleigh admits he's convinced that haleigh is dead. >> do not lie to me. you've never lied to me before to my knowledge. don't tell me that you didn't know police want to talk to her again. >> founder of texas equusearch tim miller says his group focuses on children who still have a chance to be alive, and that does not include little haleigh cummings. the family disagrees, maintaining their hope that haleigh is still alive, being held against her will. >> i believe haleigh is alive. i have faith in god to take care of my baby girl and find her. and i don't care who had something to do with it. >> meanwhile, croslin's 911 call released. misty croslin called 911 last week after being robbed while allegedly trying to score drugs. >> oh, my god, my leg and my arm

hurt so bad. >> do you need an ambulance? >> yeah, i think so. >> you have made an accusation that croslin was on a drug binge. do you have any evidence to support that claim? >> no, i don't. >> then why did you say it? >> it was just a thought. i mean, maybe she was. >> well, my apologies to crystal sheffield, the ex-wife of ronald cummings, because apparently when the new stepmother, misty croslin, calls 911, her two cohorts with her are saying they're out scoring dope when they get armed robbed. that's a good one. let me go to the lawyers. susan moss, what does she say to cops? come help me, the dope dealer robbed me of my dope and money? >> if you lay down with fleas, you know what they say. this is just absolutely ridiculous. and it really shows what type of

person we're dealing with. and the fact that her credibility is absolutely nil. this is just one further step to get her to hopefully, hopefully break because she is the key to tell us where this kid is. >> norm, let's hear that 911 call where she was allegedly scoring dope.

>> you go score some dope right near a crack house, and then you call police crying because mr. dope dealer grabbed your arm during the transaction and you got a bruise. okay. i think that sums it up. let's get back to the issue at hand. to ellie jostad, our chief editorial producer, what can you tell me about reports of insiders with access to croslin who say this child is dead? >> right, nancy. well, that's tim miller. he's the founder of texas equusearch. he is saying that after being with misty croslin during that polygraph that he set up, after that layered voice analysis, he says that she keeps insisting that haleigh is alive, which makes him think that haleigh is actually dead and they're not going to find her. >> to marlaina schiavo, when she says that on the lie detector,

that the child is alive, was that proven to be a lie? >> according to tim and his polygrapher, yes. i mean, they said that it was full of deceit, all of the answers that she was giving. but at the same time, nancy, we have to keep in mind that as much as tim miller doesn't have any evidence that she's still alive, he hasn't really given us much evidence that she is dead. >> absolutely correct. and that is the point made by grandmother teresa neves. i want to go to ron shindell, former nypd deputy inspector. what, if anything, can police do now? they seem to be at a dead end. >> nancy, they have to keep going out doing standard, good old-fashioned detective work. keep shaking the trees, keep interviewing people, keep following leads even if they don't seem important. you have to get out there. someone knows something. and you have to keep searching at this point and keep the pressure on. >> joining me right now, dr. joshua perper, chief medical examiner broward county, author of "when to call the doctor," renowned in his field.

dr. perper, if this child was killed that night, let's say she was not put in a trash dump or anything like that, her body was put out in the elements, which would be the most logical thing to do given the time constraint. could she be identifiable now? would her remains be identifiable? >> considering all the month which pass since her death, most likely now the body show advanced decomposition changes, which should make identification difficult. although some tissue might be still present for dna identification. but the advanced decomposition is also to make -- is also going to make difficult the determination of the cause of death if the injuries are limited to soft-tissue injuries -- >> you mean like a strangulation or a smothering? >> correct.

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