welcome back. just into us another victim of the accused ohio serial killer identified. her name nancy cobb last seen in april. wasn't reported missing until monday when cops started pulling bodies out of a sex offender's home. so far only 4 of 11 victims have been identified. there is something going on here. we want to know why are their own family members afraid to go to police? apparently some relatives are reluctant to give police dna and the coroner's office is

reassuring them. their dna won't go into a data base, won't be shared with police. some family members are speaking up like those who knew a mother of three, last night her aunt was on "the nancy grace" show. >> when did you learn that your niece is allegedly one of sowell's many victims? >> today about i guess about 1:00, 1:30. it was very hard but we got to keep going and we got to constantly pray for other families, you know, stay strong for the children. she has three small children. >> so sad. joining me now to talk about this, the mother of one of the victims identified -- excuse me -- brother -- identified as one of the victims. dwayne, first off, our condolences. must be such a difficult time.

i know memorials are going on right now. >> yes. >> when was the last -- she was last seen when, dwayne? >> we last seen her in june but we found out last night one of her friends seen her in july. that's the last we heard from her. >> as this was playing out, dwayne, was this something you had feared? or were you totally caught off guard when your sister was mentioned possibly connected to this guy? >> totally caught off guard. my sister had a brain. she was very smart. we never thought this. >> tell us about your sister. a mom, right, three kids? >> yes. >> how was her life going? from what i'm reading and researching it sounds like she was trying to get her life back together. >> she was getting her life back together. she went through rehab and she was making money for her children and she had just spent a lot of money on her children, spent time with them, and like i said, she just got caught i guess in a weak moment and what can we say?

everybody has a weak moment. i guess he caught her at hers. that's what happened. >> that seems to be what's going on here, dwayne. >> she was a very strong, very loving individual. she very much was. >> does she live or did she live near the area of anthony sowell's home, dwayne? >> well, her baby's father did. >> okay. so that's what might have brought her to that area. >> i guess so, because she's 30 some years old. i live with my wife and everything so she has her own life so i hear from her every now and then. that's why i never, you know, figured her as being missing. you know, because i very seldom see her anyway. you know? >> let's bring in mike brooks. as we walk through this and the investigation i'm sure continuing as that's got to be pains taking at this point, mike, because they've got to be continuing to rip apart anthony sowell's home to find out what evidence and hopefully not but possibly other bodies. >> mike, they had the fire

department in there tearing through walls. they're the best at doing that. tearing through walls looking for any kind of evidence because they found all these bodies and a skull. but there is still a dozen people missing from that community. and, you know, there is a mistrust of what they say, you know, the people don't trust the establishment. they don't trust the police. but it's vital that people, if you have someone in your family that's missing they need to give a dna sample. i mean, i'm sure the reason they don't want to do that is because of their distrust because some of their people, you know, may be wanted. but, still, if you have nothing to hide, give your dna. it's good to help these families who are missing these people, have closure in their life. there are people out there missing and they don't know where they are and they could be involved in this case. >> let's go back again, dwayne fortsin, his sister identified as one of the victims. dwayne, as we -- as we look into this case and we find out this guy committed a brutal crime in

1989, served 15 years, from what we're gathering, not long after he's let out of prison he's right back to his criminal ways and worse. how is your family processing that? >> these criminals, they do their crime and the system lets them right back out. like i said, this situation he wasn't monitored. for the health department to say they've been in the house and the police to say they went and checked on him because he is a sexual predator i can't see it adding up because i haven't seen nothing in life yet that smells like death and if you can't decipher death from a roll of sausage you got nothing coming. and they are covering up something for the city of cleveland, the police, the judicial system, somebody is covering up something and i don't feel it's right. for all these young ladies to lose their lives and nobody did nothing, not even investigating it. >> dwayne, you pick up a good

point. a lot of people talked about it. we talked to people who said that smell was there for three or four years. again, thanks for taking time. our condolences to you and your family. stay strong. thanks again. >> thank you very much. all right. coming up a missouri woman is accused of cutting a line at walmart. now she is facing up to 15 years? how is that? we'll lay it out for you in our weekly feature "what matters."

a woman faces 15 years in prison for cutting in line at a walmart. it sounds harsh but that's how the case against heather ellis is playing out. prosecutors say she jumped the line at walmart and then that led to an argument. police were called in. they say ellis assaulted them. she denies that and refused to sign a plea agreement. >> we tried to resolve this thing early on and there was no indication of any desire to do so. >> ellis was charged with trespassing, disturbing the peace, and two felony counts of assaulting an officer. the case has gotten national attention. joining us now dr. boyce watkins, professor at syracuse university, who is planning a rally for ellis later this month. what was your reaction when you first became aware of this story that heather ellis is facing charges for an incident that stemmed, not technically for cutting in line but for something that stemmed from her

cutting in line at walmart. what was your first reaction? >> i didn't believe it. i said, that's impossible. there's got to be more to it. tell me more about this young lady. my assistant's children were the ones who actually brought this to my attention. that's why we call our rally the journey for justice out of the respect for the kids. they're the heroes in this. i did my research. once i sort of dug into it, you know, i thought about my own background. my father has been in law enforcement for 30 years so i have a lot of respect for good police officers but once i dug deeper i said, you know, something's wrong here. there seems to be an abuse of authority. you know, if you look at heather ellis's record there is absolutely nothing in her past that indicates that she's capable of this kind of behavior. she was a college student on her way to medical school. she's the daughter of a pastor. she doesn't have any criminal record so the idea she's facing these sorts of charges over an incident of this magnitude is absolutely astonishing. >> we do have a statement from the prosecutor in missouri we

want to share. it says we tried to resolve this thing early on. there was no indication of any desire to do so. you know the family. let me ask you. being devil's advocate why won't she just sign something and make it go away? >> well, because, you know, one of the problems with our justice system which is why i consider this case to be the beginning of a broader search for justice rather than the end of anything is that we have lots and lots of people, thousands of people who go to prison every year for crimes they did not commit primarily because they sign these plea bargains that are offered and they're with an implicit threat that says if you don't sign this plea bargain you get a long time in prison. i stand by heather's decision not to sign the plea bargain. the truth is when you sign it you're waiving your right to a jury trial. you can't sue the police department for false arrest or whatever the case may be. so heather did exactly what any good, conscientious person should do. she said, i didn't do this. i'm not going to sign this. i stand behind her on that. the idea that the prosecutor

feels that oh, we could have all made it go away if you were willing to admit to something you feel you didn't do, it's a little bit of a travesty of justice and should concern all of us. >> we also have a statement from walmart we do need to get out there. walmart says this. when the incident involving ms. el ills occurred we asked local police to intervene. you'll have to direct any questions about the incident and resulting investigation to them. we also did that as well. boyce, somehow the ku klux klan has become involved. what is that about? >> well, effectively the kkk has threatened the family and told them if you raise too much of a stink then we're going to respond. in a scary way. what's even more frightening about this, which says a little bit about kennett, missouri is that the threats were actually delivered by a police officer in uniform. i don't have any information to or knowledge that says the officer then went to investigate where the threat came from or went to prosecute the threat as a hate crime which is what it is. so, you know, the truth is that this is a very complex case.

the people we've asked to come down for the rally, we've let them know, look. this is not a safe places specially for people of color. it's my greatest hope we can get in and out safely while standing up for justice. this is not a black issue. this is a civil liberties issue that all americans should be concerned about. >> okay. boyce watkins, thank you very much for your time in talking about this. it looks like no plea deal. looks like they may be heading to trial. we'll keep people posted on this. for more of what matters check out the november issue of "essence" magazine or log on to cnn.com/what matters. thanks. coming up rihanna speaking out about her violent relationship with chris brown telling abc's "good morning america" why she took him back then why she decided to leave.

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we provide services for veterans only, a safe, clean place to live, all their meals, mental health services, camaraderie. it is that internal glue. tell him one of his brothers in arms came looking for him and let him know, yeah, we will be back. >> they are the best and they deserve the best. what i do i love. i love it. an emotional rihanna recounting the night she was brutally beaten by ex-boyfriend chris brown. it's rihanna's first interview since her attack and she is really opening up confiding in abc's "good morning america" that chris brown had no soul in his eyes. she talks about the relationship, a violent obsession yet she went back to him. >> the more in love we became the more dangerous we became for each other, equally as

dangerous, because it was a bit of an obsession. >> rihanna says taking him back was a big mistake. now she wants to send a message to young girls to get out of these abusive relationships. but guess who is appearing on tv right before rihanna's primetime interview tonight -- chris brown. he's going to upstage her? she's opening up for the first time about this terrible ordeal and he's going to horn in on her message? a bad move. see what the experts have to say. let's bring in our psycho therapist and the chief correspondent "inside edition" and also former attorney and cnn anchor. let's get back to what rihanna is talking about, falling in love turning into an obsession. how common is that among a young couple like this? >> it's very common with young people but they aren't really falling in love. what she is describing that the rest of us would call that intense passion where it makes for great happy times and really

volatile violent times. >> and young people more susceptible i would think, just not mature enough to handle those feelings, right? >> i think that's part of it. you get older, wiser, more jaded and less accepting of that kind of stuff let's listen more of rihanna talking about what led to this infamous incident, a text message from another girl. let's listen to rihanna again. >> i caught him in a lie and he wouldn't tell the truth. i wouldn't drop it. i wouldn't drop it. i kept saying, i couldn't take that. he kept lying to me and he couldn't take that i wouldn't drop it. >> as you listen to that, for young people, jealousy, a text from somebody else, how does that turn into this brutal beating? >> that isn't really what caused it. that's what she thinks caused it. that's the excuse. what we're looking at is people who have abuse in their history and when they do and they

haven't gotten the right kind of psychological help for it, they haven't healed those emotional wounds, the trigger gets set and they go. i think that's what happened. they got explosive. also she talks about sort of seeing thatreally compartmentallized and went back to sort of that raging childhood experience. >> let's bring in jim moret. jim, rihanna admits they had a volatile relationship. do we know anything about past incidents? >> we do from the court documents, that there were -- there were, i believe, two incidents that were not nearly as violent as this. but there were incidents in the past, and also, mike, i don't want you to think that this was just a text from somebody and she got jealous. i think that what the allegation was, and what we got from the court records was, i believe it was a text from somebody that he was allegedly seeing. she caught him in a lie. she wouldn't drop it, as she said, and then, you know, it simply escalated. so it wasn't just a text from a friend. >> from a random friend.

well put, jim. so stacy, when we talk about this, and parents are watching, and maybe they're -- their child's involved in a relationship. is it more difficult for a young person to realize, this is bad, i've got to get out? >> well, you know, i read an interesting statistic the other day. i read it takes the average woman 11 assaults before she gets out. and so what that says to me is young or old, people are staying too long when they're getting beaten up and once it starts, if someone can do it one time, they can do it again. people need to get out immediately. >> 11? >> yeah. >> why, stacy? >> you know, you know, first of all there's the whole cycle of violence where after they beat you up, they apologize, they send you flowers. they tell you how amazing you are. that's a big piece. the other piece is women tend to blame themselves. so just like rihanna is saying, well, i wouldn't stop relenting. there's lots of people that are persistent and don't get hit. >> taking your calls.