barack obama making the first presidential trip to asia. he says america needs to improve alliances there. you'll hear how he thinks that

will affect you. he had a heart attack after a marathon and technically died. well now, he's alive to talk about it. hear what doctors did to revive

him after 40 minutes. >> five, four, three, two, one. >> set an emotional record-setting domino effect. wait until you hear how many tiles they set up for their shining moment. hey, there. thanks for having us over. this is hln "news and views," this is virginia cha. president obama is now in singapore. he will meet with leaders of apec. before leaving japan, he said the u.s. needs to work closer with japan. he also said there are other tough things to deal with. >> this is a place where the risk of a nuclear arms race threatens the security of the wider world, and where extremists who defile a great religion plan attacks on both of our continents. there can be no solution to our energy security and our climate challenge without the rising powers and developing nations of the asia pacific. to meet these common challenges, the united states looks to strengthen old alliances and build new partnerships with the nations of this region. >> also while he's in singapore, he'll talk with russia's president about the nuclear agreement which expires next month. increased fighting in afghanistan is hurting morale with u.s. soldiers. in contrast, two battlefield surveys found morale is up among soldiers in iraq because combat there is decreasing. the survey is indicating suicide have jumped across the board. the army is working to get more mental health workers to help

soldiers cope with depression. this comes as president obama considers sending more troops to afghanistan. police have arrested a sixth member of a missouri family accused of sexually abusing kids for years. 3 % them wthe en % some strong reactions out there about the decision to bring the 9/11-related trial to new york. attorney general eric holder said yesterday, five suspects with alleged ties to the attacks will be try in a civilian court in manhattan. the courthouse just blocks away from ground zero. the suspects include confessed 9/11 mastermind, khalid shaikh mohammed and four other detainees. >> i care about the fact they're war criminals, terrorists, they do not deserve the full panoply of u.s. protection of law. and most important of all, they did terrible, horrible crimes against the human race and now they're going to be given a forum to make america seem bad again and to criticize and mock america. it's just extremely unseemly. >> this may turn out to be an opportunity for some people to get some of the justice they've been looking for for a long time and may show that the civilian court system can succeed in certain cases where the evidence is clear, is overwhelming, and where you don't need to use all

of this secret evidence or evidence that's been obtained through the torture program of the bush administration. families of 9/11 victims, as you can imagine, have some powerful feelings about holding this trial in new york. susan candiotti reports, some people say it hits too close to home. >> eight years of waiting is eight years too long for retired firefighter jim riches. he wants the alleged 9/11 conspirators tried in new york. the attack killed his son, a fellow firefighter. >> i just want to get this moving, justice delayed is justice denied. >> reporter: riches is one of a handful of civilians that got a close-up look at suspected terrorist khalid shaikh mohammed and others at a guantanamo courtroom last january. that's when ksm told a military judge he was the mastermind of 9/11. we don't care about capital punishment or life in prison. >> they called jihad against america. they're proud of what he did.

here i am sitting there, the man that murdered my son is saying he's proud he killed my son. >> reporter: another relative of one of the victims said bringing the suspects back to the scene of the crime will bring unbearable pain. he lost his son in the attacks. >> to bring it back here, to me, my feelings, it's tasteless, it's incensensitive and those ss are going to be opened again. >> christian breitweiser said new york is ready. she plans to attend the trial as often as she can. >> new yorkers are capable of handling it. and it speaks to the heart of who we are, not only as new yorkers, but as american citizens. if a crime is committed on our soil, you are going to be given a trial. you will be given access to an attorney. you will be innocent until

proven guilty. >> reporter: some worry about massive security needs with worldwide focus on five accused terrorists afew blocks from ground zero. >> we are certainly prepared for any eventuality. we handle a lot of high-profile events here. we have the blind sheik's trial here. other high profile trials and events. that's what we do. we're in excellent shape to handle it. >> we asked the families, what about the worries that the evidence will hold up? they say the justice department has assured them it will. a judge and jury will decide. susan candiotti, cnn, new york. a lawmaker caught hiding $90,000 in his freezer has been sentenced to 13 years in prison. louisiana congressman william jefferson was convicted of bribery and racketeering. prosecutors said he took about half a million dollars in bribes and tried to get millions more. that was in exchange to strike business deals in africa. jefferson's sentence is the toughest ever given the

congressman for bribery charges. he is appealing the conviction. a series of powerful explosions ripped through the russian army knew in additions depot that set up a fire that burned for hours. a blast killed two firefighters, injured seven military personnel. the massive blast could be seen and heard up to nine miles away. 3,000 people who live nearby were forced to evacuate. the russian defense ministry says the explosions happened when workers were disposing of ammunition. the so-called balloon boy -- well, his grandmother is standing by her son. she wants the world to know richard heene is a good son and family man. she says she believes heene when he told her the incident is not a stunt and she felt somehow pressured to plead guilty yesterday. >> i still firmly believe that this was not a hoax and that this was a mistake and regrettably so because it

involved so many people. >> you may recall, heene and his wife told authorities that they were afraid their 6-year-old son floated away aboard that giant helium balloon you just saw that set off a race to track that balloon and find the boy. while he was actually hiding in the attic the whole time. prosecutors are pushing for jail time for the couple. there's a foul problem on the new jersey turnpike. >> she's going to have her own show and we're going to be collecting tolls. >> tammy the turkey. she's causing quite a stir two weeks before thanksgiving.

somebody might want to tell this turkey that thanksgiving the just around the corner. drivers on the new jersey turnpike are trying not to run

her over. she has become sort of an unofficial highway mascot. >> how long has she been here? >> like a year, almost. yeah, walking around all over. >> i come through this toll booth every day and i see the turkey sometimes two, three, times a week. >> tammy has become such a driver distraction, there are plans to relocate her before someone gets hurt. these tough economic times are forcing christmas tree growers to trim their prices this season. one grower in oregon says they are being forced to sell their crop for less than it takes to produce it. a record number of unsold trees in the fields. some say the crisis is so bad, they are already making plans to cut and burn the surplus trees. when it comes to gets attention, few know how to do it like chad ocho cinco.

he was hit with a fine for jokingly trying to give the referee a dollar bill to change the call last week. he is seeking help on this issue from the most powerful man on the planet. on his twitter page, he asks president obama if they could meet to set up a fund rule. yeah, he'll leave asia just to do this. he says by the way, prior to each season, he sets up a fund to pay league fines, so wait until you see what he does in pittsburgh this weekend. he and bills receiver terrell owens will engage in a friendly, online roast to see who gets mad first. two star receivers for which silence is forbidden and who will do anything for attention, including things like this. nfl charity's really cleaning up friday.

jay cutler and his comment toward an official -- caps off a bad week for cutler, who threw five interceptions on thursday. cinco interceptions. the belongings of bernie madoff will be auctioned off today and among the items, a personalized jacket. more than a dozen rolex watches and mens shoes. no, i don't know the size. that's sports. did you know clark howard serves in the georgia state guard? this weekend sh you will see him serving our troops. clark and our own robin meade teamed up to help soldiers save more, spend less and avoid getting ripped off. >> you want to talk about investing in a certain plan. >> since becoming parents in the

last year, my wife and i have been concerned with the forecast of our higher education. 17 years from now, they're forecasting about $17,000. i've invested in my state's 529 plan and i was wondering what your thoughts are on that. >> it's a college savings plan. put money into it and all the money grows tax-free as long as the money is used for college, all the earnings are tax-free. so it is the absolute best vehicle to save for college. and so you're doing to right thing. what state plan are you in? >> virginia and actually made a decision to remain a virginia resident because of the education benefits. >> virginia is one of the states that has multiple 529 plans and there are good ones and bad ones. so i have a guide on my website,

which is clarkhoward.com, where you can make sure that the virginia plan you're in is the good one, not one of the bad ones. >> want more good information? then don't miss "operation clark smart." call this a competitive edge or too much time on someone's hands. some folks set a new record for toppling dominos. you'll be surprised to hear how many are at work here.

nasa scientists say they have discovered water on the moon. the find the result of last month's experiment when they crashed a satellite near the moon's south pole. a rocket found evidence that water was there. experts say this will help plan for future human missions on the

moond can help scientists understand how the solar system was formed. a runner who collapsed after a marathon in arkansas didn't have a pulse for 40 minutes. he just finished the race when he suffered a heart attack. but doctors were able to revive him through a new procedure. they lowered his body temperature and protected his brain cells. >> i didn't think he would probably wake up and if he did, he would be limited. but at 45 minutes is a long time. >> if this had happened during the race at mile 9 or mile 20 or so where there was no medical care, i would have died because they couldn't have gotten to me. >> he should be released from the hospital today. the catholic church is throwing itself in the battle over health care reform.

it's been behind tighting restrictions on abortion. >> reporter: in rhode island, a high profile feud between the bishop of providence. he has called the champion of ted kennedy, a disappointment -- the clash happening as the catholic church flexes its muscle in the debate over health care reform. to get the needed support of conservative democrats, speaker pelosi was forced to allow the vote on tougher abortion rules in the bill. >> a lot of members had a lot of faith and in what the catholic

bishops view of this was. they wanted some kind of blessing by the bishops. >> reporter: abortion rights democrats bristoled at the thought. >> that such an extraordinary effort was launched by church, pushing an idea that many americans probably the majority of americans really don't agree with. >> reporter: the health care debate moves now to the senate, where a quarter of the chamber is catholic and where the church will again exert its influence. >> and i think it is very, very likely that the outcome will be the same in the senate as it was in the house. >> democrat aides in the senate concede he may be right, but senators probably won't scuttle the bill over the issue of abortion, but in the house, some say they will vote no on the

final bill if this language is in it. so this might give you a whole new perspective on the phrase, domino affect. they set up and knocked down more than 4 million dominos in the netherlands yesterday. that is a new world record and to spice things up, organizers incorporated pictures of different places around the world, including new york. they try to break the record every year. the new one beat the old one by 140,000 dominos. congratulations. in case you haven't heard, the world is coming to an end. that's what some think. nasa is trying now to calm some real fears.

president obama is in singapore this morning. the second stop on his asia tour. he'll talk to russian leaders about renewing an agreement that's set to expire next month. he promised the u.s. will work more closely are asian countries. heavy snow has killed 21 in china. snow caused thousands of buildings to collapse. almost 160,000 people were evacuated from their homes or stranded vehicles. and several victims of the ft. hood shootings will be laid to rest today.

services will be held in indianindian indiana, wisconsin and utah. the attorney for the alleged gunman in the ft. hood rampage says major nidal hasan is paralyzed from the waist down. ed lavandera has more on where the investigation stands now. >> his family describes him as a good american, but several who knew him say the high-ranking army officer expressed extremist islamic views. one says he openly pledged allegiance not to the united states, but the koran. when asked if the constitution was a brilliant document, he said, no, not particularly. our source asked not to be identified. >> we are doing everything possible and we are looking at every reason for this shooting. we are aggressively following

every possible lead. we are collecting, analyzing every piece of critical information pertaining to this case. >> hasan has been charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder. the sources say superiors at the university were told about his inflammatory comments, but that concerns about how to handle the situation led to hasan being coddled and accommodates, even though he made class presentations pushing extremist ideology. his attorney wouldn't comment, saying his concern was a fair trial. >> the right to a fair trial ought to be applied to those areas and i've said also that given the nature of the offenses, these folks are talking about, is probably going to be a long and difficult road. >> the road to recovery for the wounded in last week's attack will be long and hard.

12 soldiers are still hospitalized and others who have left the hospital are back on duty. >> general casey called this event a kick in the gut, which is so appropriate. but at this time, ft. hood has gotten it breath back and we continue to move forward. >> military officials are frustrated by the information leaking out about hasan and they're urging anyone who's had contact with him over the last seven year to share their information with investigators. there are some strong reactions out there to the decision to bring a 9/11 trial to new york. eric holder said yesterday five suspects with alleged ties to the attacks will be tried in a civilian court in manhattan. the suspects include confessed 9/11 master mind khalid shaikh mohammed and four other detainees. >> these people are war criminals, terrorists, they do not deserve the full protection

of the law and most important of all, they did terrible, horrible crimes against the human race and now they'll be given a forum to make america seem bad again. >> this may turn out to be an opportunity for some people to get some of the justice they've been looking for for a long time and may show that the civilian court system can succeed in certain cases where the evidence is clear, is overwhelming and where you don't need to use all this secret evidence that's been obtained through the bush administration. >> the trial is set to be held blocks away from ground zero. increased fighting in afghanistan is hurting moral for u.s. soldiers there. two surveys found moral is up with soldiers in iraq because combat there is decreasing. it also indicates suicides are

jumping across the board. this report comes as president obama considers sending more troops to afghanistan. police have arrested a sixth member of a missouri family sunted of sexually abusing kids for years. his brother and four nephews were were arrested tuesday. a sheriff says more charges could come next week. six alleged victims who are now adults told them the suspects abused them when they were children. a lawmakers who was caught hiding $90,000 in his freezer has been sentenced to 13 years in prison. louisiana congressman, william jefferson, was convicted of bribery and racketeering. he took about half a million dollars in bribe.

jefferson's sentence is the toughest ever given to a u.s. congressman for bribery charges. the so-called balloon boy, his grandmother is standing by his son and wants america to know her son is a good son and family man. she thinks he felt somehow pressured to plead guilty yesterday. >> i still firmly believe that this was not a hoax and that this was a mistake and regrettably so because it involved so many people. >> heene and his wife told authorities they were afraid their 6-year-old son floated away in that giant helium balloon. he was actually hiding in the attic the whole time. they're pushing for jail time for the couple. the remnants of tropical storm ida are moving out to sea.

the storm pulmoled the coastline for three days and caused flooding, damaged buildings and eroded beaches. there is a danger of coastal flooding in the northeast today. that storm is blamed for the deaths of at least six people. parts of the east coast have been suffering through some tough weather. >> virginia, we have seen this nor'ida, or nor'easter, that is a combination of weather systems. essentially, the remnants of ida that merged with another area that swept off of a eastern sea board and really hit the eastern sea board. already at least six fatalities. still windy along the region with coastal flood warnings in effect, but very mild weather across the deep south. we're watching for a weather system into the west that has some areas to the west of denver

expecting one to two feet of snowfall. so watch out for that, especially if you're driving through that vicinity, could be late l bit rough. if you're traveling to denver, about 38 degrees. a dreary day in new york city, and kind of windy weather across the interior west especially into sunday and monday. there's a foul problem on the new jersey turnpike. >> time for her reality show and we're still going to be out here collecting tolls. >> tammy the turkey. this bold bird is causing quite a stir two weeks before thanksgiving.

somebody might want to tell a jaywalking turkey that thanksgiving is just around the corner because this bird has made a busy road her new home. as our affiliate reports, it's become a really foul problem for drivers. >> reporter: meet tammy. a wild turkey who makes her home in new jersey, but on exit 14 b on the turnpike? >> she gets up in the morning when the sun comes up and comes across the lanes. >> reporter: robin, who works for the toll, has never seen a bird like this. the rare bird stares down semis and is seen eating her favorite snack. cracker jacks. how long has she been here? >> almost a year.

>> reporter: tammy here, she's fearless. not only does she weave in and out of traffic, she's doing it two weeks before thanksgiving. although she obeys much of the rules, some are crying foul. >> i come through here every day and sometimes see the turkey two or three times a week. >> reporter: that's because she now has regular visitors. some even take pictures and that's become a real nuisance for drivers. >> tammy's going to have her own reality show and we're going to be here collecting tolls. >> reporter: there are plans to reelect tammy, but until they do, watch out. how many do you think she owes you in tolls? >> for her. nothing, the turnpike can write it off. >> our thanks to mia for that report. by the way, the turnpike authorities hoping to have tammy taken to a new home in a

wildlife reserve and there's no hunting allowed there. it turns out these seals won't be getting an eviction notice. the cove was originally a children's swimming area, but the seals moved in during the 1990s. a court originally ordered them to be removed because seal waste bacteria is dangerous for humans, but the new law allows the area to become a marine park. i'm larry smith. money talks, even for a guy who's great grand kids won't need any. tiger woods was moved to play in his first tournament in australia. third round is done and tiger was rolling right along until he completely fell apart. he blew a three-shot lead.

watch this. didn't like the drive. throws his club, which bounces off the ground and into the gallery, which he retrieved. they gave it back. tiger trying to make things happen. among the contenders for college football's national championship, this guy, he's a senior quarterback, first action in a month since he injured his non-throwing arm. makes three plays. helps the bear cats remain undefeated. lebron james doesn't want to be like mike. the star says he will personally retire number 23 in honor of that man, michael jordan. the reigning most valuable player wants the nba to retire it league wide. was somebody playing with the light switch last night? big game and the lights went

out, not once, but twice. both times for 18 minutes. once in the first half. once in the second half. part of some kind of power grid issue they had. the galaxy got the win. that's sports. do you think frozen vegetables just don't measure up? turns out, sometimes they may be more healthy for you than fresh. check out why in today's "beyond the surface." >> fresh versus frozen produce. which is better? if you think fresh, think again. it turns out that frozen produce is just as nutritious because frozen vegetables and fruit are harvested at their peak. the nutrition is preserved

throughout the process. i would suggest you put them with small amounts by steaming. canned vegetables are usually very high in sodium. canned fruit, unless you get it packed in its own juice or water, skip it. you want to get as many colorful vegetables and fruit as possible to protect you from chronic disease.

nasa scientists say they have discovered water on the moon. the find, the result of last month's experiment when they crashed a satellite near the moon's south pole. the rocket took samples from debris clouds and found evidence of water there. it can also help scientists understand how the solar system was formed. investigators are trying to

figure out who shot and killed four people inside a home. a sheriff's department spokesperson says there are no leads or suspects. this story is just amazing. a runner who collapsed after a marathon in arkansas didn't have a pulse for 40 minutes. he just finished the race when he suffered a heart attack. doctors were able to revive him through a new procedure. they lowered his body temperature and protected his brain cells. >> i didn't think he would wake up and if he did, he would be limited. >> if this event had happened at like during the race at mile 9 or mile 20 or so where there was no medical care, i would have died. because they couldn't have gotten to me soon enough. >> the 67-year-old runner should

be released from the hospital today with a new lease on life. so this might give you a whole new look on the phrase domino effect. watch this. those folks set up and knocked down more than 4 million dom nose in the netherlands. spoke ties things up, they incorporated pictures of different place from around the world. they try to break the record every year. the and for the record about 300,000 dominos failed to fall. congratulations. peggy baker is on the front lines. this virginia woman tells robin meade why she's a a unique mission. >> letters, yeah, from iraq. >> reporter: peggy baker is the founder of "operation first response."

>> some of the ser injuries that they've had, and they're still smiling, working hard to continue on. >> reporter: the group assists with everything from financial aid to visiting the injured. it all started with inspiration from peggy's son. >> my son joined the army, all of a sudden i was put in a position that my child was going to defend our country. it opened eyes. >> reporter: after a friend's son was wounded, peggy met him at the hospital to offer support. >> at first i didn't have a lot of personal support, to have somebody there that actually cared, that meant a lot. >> reporter: more than 5,000 families have been helped by the group. >> it's an emotional but wonderful experience to be part of their lives. they're incredible heroes. in case you haven't heard, the world is come to go an enin 2012. at least that's what some fear.

it's a hollywood doomsday movie that has spooked so many people, nasa is trying to calm some real fears.

barack obama make his first presidential trip to asia. he says the u.s. needs to improve its alliances there. how he thinks that will affect. >> five steps after i finished the race. >> he had a heart attack and technically died. now he's a live to talk about it. hear what doctors did to revive him after 40 minutes.

thanks for having us over. i'm virginia cha. president obama is now in singapore, the second stop of his asia tour. he will meet with leader of apec. before leaving japan, he said the u.s. needs to work closer with japan. he also said there are other tough things to deal with. >> this is a place where the risk of a nuclear arms race threatens the security of the wider world, and where extremists who defile a great religion plan attacks on both of our continents. there can be no solution to our energy security and our climate challenge without the rising powers and developing nations of the asian-pacific. to meet these common challenges, the united states looks to strengthen old alliances and build new partnerships with the nations of this region. >> also while he's in singapore, he'll talk with russia's president about replacing the

nuclear agreement which expires next month. increased fighting in afghanistan is hurting morale among u.s. soldiers there. in contrast, two battlefield surveys found morale is up among soldiers in iraq because combat there is decreasing. the survey is indicating suicide have jumped across the board. the army is working to get more mental health workers to help soldiers cope with depression. this comes as president obama considers sending more troops to afghanistan. police have arrested a sixth member of a missouri family accused of sexually abusing kids for years. police say darrell moeller was found at his house in florida where he now lives. his brother and four nephews were arrested tuesday. they were charged with rape and child sex abuse. but a sheriff says more charges could come next week. six alleged victims who are now adults told investigators that the suspects sexually abused them when they were children. some strong reactions out there about the decision to

bring the 9/11-related trial to new york. attorney general eric holder said yesterday, five suspects with alleged ties to the attacks will be tried in a civilian court in manhattan. the courthouse just blocks away from ground zero. the suspects include confessed 9/11 mastermind, khalid shaikh mohammed and four other guantanamo bay detainees. >> i care about the fact they're war criminals, terrorists, they do not deserve the full panoply of u.s. protection of law. and most important of all, they did terrible, horrible crimes against the human race and now they're going to be given a forum to make america seem bad again and to criticize and mock america. it's just extremely unseemly. >> this may turn out to be an opportunity for some people to get some of the justice they've been looking for for a long time and may show that the civilian court system can succeed in certain cases where the evidence is clear, is overwhelming, and

where you don't need to use all of this secret evidence or evidence that's been obtained through the torture program of the bush administration. families of 9/11 victims, as you can imagine, have some powerful feelings about holding this trial in new york. susan candiotti reports, some people say it hits too close to home. >> eight years of waiting is eight years too long for retired firefighter jim riches. he wants the alleged 9/11 conspirators tried in new york. the attack killed his son, a fellow firefighter. >> i just want to get this moving, justice delayed is justice denied. >> reporter: riches is one of a handful of civilians that got a close-up look at suspected terrorist khalid shaikh mohammed and others at a guantanamo courtroom last january. that's when ksm told a military judge he was the mastermind of 9/11. >> they called jihad against america.

they were proud of what they did, and 6 here i am sitting there, the man that murdered my son is saying he's proud he killed my son. >> reporter: another relative of who met us tess site, said bringing the suspects back to the scene of the crime will bring unbearable pain. he lost his son in the attacks. >> to bring it back here, to me, my feelings, it's tasteless, it's insensitive and those scars which have never been healed, are going to be opened again. >> christian breitweiser said new york is ready. she plans to attend the trial as often as she can. >> new yorkers are capable of handling it. and it speaks to the heart of who we are, not only as new yorkers, but as american citizens. if a crime is committed on our soil, you are going to be given a trial. you will be given access to an

attorney. you will be innocent until proven guilty. >> reporter: some worry about massive security needs with worldwide focus on five accused terrorists a few blocks from ground zero. >> we are certainly prepared for any eventuality. we handle a lot of high-profile events here. we have the blind sheik's trial here. other high profile trials and events. that's what we do. we're in excellent shape to handle it. >> we asked the families, what about the worries that the evidence will hold up? they say the justice department has assured them it will. a judge and jury will decide. susan candiotti, cnn, new york. a lawmaker caught hiding $90,000 in his freezer has been sentenced to 13 years in prison. louisiana congressman william jefferson was convicted of bribery and racketeering. prosecutors said he took about half a million dollars in bribes and tried to get millions more.

that was in exchange for his influence to strike business deals in africa. jefferson's sentence is the toughest ever given the congressman for bribery charges. he is appealing the conviction. a series of powerful explosions ripped through the russian army munitions depot that set up a fire that burned for hours. a blast killed two firefighters, injured seven military personnel. the massive blast could be seen and heard up to nine miles away. 3,000 people who live nearby were forced to evacuate. the russian defense ministry says the explosions happened when workers were disposing of ammunition. the so-called balloon boy -- well, his grandmother is standing by her son. she wants the world to know richard heene is a good son and family man. she says she believes heene when he told her the incident is not a stunt, and she thinks he felt somehow pressured to plead guilty yesterday. >> i still firmly believe that

this was not a hoax and that this was a mistake and regrettably so because it involved so many people. >> you may recall, heene and his wife told authorities that they were afraid their 6-year-old son floated away aboard that giant helium balloon you just saw that set off a race to track that balloon and find the boy. while he was actually hiding in the attic the whole time. prosecutors are pushing for jail time for the couple. there's a fowl problem on the new jersey turnpike. >> she's going to have her own reality show and we're going to be still collecting tolls. >> tammy the turkey. she's causing quite a stir two weeks before thanksgiving.

somebody might want to tell a jaywalking turkey that thanksgiving is just around the corner. she's causing problems on the new jersey turnpike, trying not

to run her over. she has become sort of an unofficial highway mascot. >> how long has she been here? >> like a year, almost. yeah, walking around all over. >> i come through this toll booth every day and i see the turkey sometimes two, three, times a week. >> seriously, though, tammy has become such a driver distraction, there are plans to relocate her before someone gets hurt. these tough economic times are forcing christmas tree growers to trim their prices this season. one grower in oregon says they are being forced to sell their crop for less than it takes to produce it. the grinch this christmas is sagging consumer demand. that means a record number of unsold trees in the fields. some growers say the crisis is so bad, they are already making plans to cut and burn the surplus trees. i'm larry smith. when it comes to getting attention, few know how to do it like chad ocho cinco.

are you paying attention? he was hit with a fine for jokingly trying to give the referee a dollar bill to change the call last week. he said he was just having fun and promises to match the fine with another $20,000 donation to charity. he is seeking help on this issue from the most powerful man on the planet. on his twitter page, he asks president obama if they could meet to set up a fund rule. yeah, he'll leave asia just to do this. ochocinco said, by the way, prior to each season, he sets up a fund to pay league fines, so wait until you see what he does in pittsburgh this weekend. i can't wait. heard enough of chad ochocinco? i don't think so. he and bills receiver terrell owens will engage in a friendly, online roast to see who gets mad first. two star receivers for which silence is forbidden and who will do anything for attention, including things like this. yeah, this could be fun. nfl charity's really cleaning up friday. jay cutler will pony up 20 grand

in his conduct toward an official. it caps off a bad week for cutler, who threw five interceptions on thursday. cinco interceptions. sorry, had to say it one more time. the belongings of bernie madoff will be auctioned off today and among the items, a personalized new york mets jacket. yeah, it could be yours. more than a dozen rolex watches and hundreds of pairs of men's shoes. some experts say the collection is underwhelming. that's sports. did you know clark howard serves in the georgia state guard? this weekend you will see him serving our troops. clark and our own robin meade teamed up to help soldiers save more, spend less and avoid getting ripped off. >> so senior officer jeff torrez is a candidate. >> you want to talk about investing in a certain plan. let's ask about that. >> since becoming parents in the

last year, my wife and i have been concerned with the forecast of our higher education. 17 years from now, they're forecasting about $300,000. i've invested in my state's 529 plan and i was wondering what your thoughts are on that. or other state and federal plans i don't know about. >> 529 is a college savings plan. put money into it and all the money grows tax-free as long as the money is used for college, all the earnings are tax-free. so it is the absolute best vehicle to save for college. and so you're doing to right thing. what state plan are you in? >> virginia and actually made a decision to remain a virginia resident because of the education benefits. >> let me tell you something about virginia. virginia is one of the states that has multiple 529 plans and there are good ones and bad ones.

so i have a guide on my website, which is clarkhoward.com, where you can do the hyper link and make sure that the virginia plan you're in is the good one, not one of the bad ones. >> want more good information? then don't miss "operation clark today smart." today at noon eastern. call this a competitive edge or too much time on someone's hands. take a look. some folks set a new record for toppling dominos. you'll be surprised to hear how many dominos are at work here.

nasa scientists say they have discovered water on the moon. the find the result of last month's experiment when they crashed a satellite near the moon's south pole. remember that? a rocket found evidence that water was there. experts say this will help plan for future human missions on the moon. it can also help scientists

understand how the solar system was formed. a runner who collapsed after a marathon in arkansas didn't have a pulse for 40 minutes. he just finished the race when he suffered a heart attack. but doctors were able to revive him through a new procedure. called therapeutic hypothermia. they lowered his body temperature and protected his brain cells. >> i didn't think he would probably wake up and if he did, he would be limited. but at 45 minutes is a long time. >> if this event had happened during the race at mile 9 or mile 20 or so where there was no medical care, i would have died because they couldn't have gotten to me. soon enough. >> the 67-year-old runner should be released from the hospital today with a new lease on life. the catholic church is throwing itself in the battle over health care reform. it's been a key player behind tightening restrictions on any

federal funding on abortion in a health care bill. as brianna keilar reports, the church is turning up the heed on lawmakers. >> reporter: in rhode island, a high profile feud between the bishop of providence. tobin has called him a disappointment -- >> reporter: the clash happening as the catholic church flexes its muscle in the debate over health care reform. to get the needed support of conservative democrats, speaker pelosi was forced to allow the vote on tougher abortion restrictions in the bill, and at one point found her self-directly negotiating with members of the catholic church.

>> a lot of members had a lot of faith and in what the catholic bishops' view of this was, and they wanted some kind of blessing by the bishops. >> reporter: abortion rights democrats bristled at the thought. >> that such an extraordinary effort was launched by church, pushing an idea that many americans probably the majority of americans really don't agree with. >> reporter: the health care debate moves now to the senate, where a quarter of the chamber is is catholic and where the church will again exert its influence. says bill galston, a former policy adviser to president clinton. >> and i think it is very, very likely that the outcome will be the same in the senate as it was in the house. >> reporter: democratic aides in the senate concede he may be right, but source tell me that abortion rights senators probably won't scuttle. the bill over the issue of abortion, but in the house, some say they will vote no on the final bill if this language is in it.

a promise of more tough negotiations ahead for speaker pelosi. brianna keilar, cnn, washington. so this might give you a whole new perspective on the phrase domino effect. watch this. those folks set up and knocked down more than 4 million dominos in the netherlands yesterday. that is a new world record and to spice things up, organizers incorporated pictures of different places around the world, including new york. they try to break the record every year. the new one beat the old one by 140,000 dominos. and for the record about 300,000 dominos failed to fall. congratulations. in case you haven't heard, the world is coming to an end in 2012. that's what some think. it's a hollywood movie that has spooked so many. nasa is trying now to calm some real fears.

president obama is in singapore this morning. the second stop on his asia tour. among other things, he'll talk to russian leaders about renewing an agreement that's set to expire next month. in japan yesterday, he promised the u.s. will work more closely with asian countries, particularly on the economy. heavy snow has killed 21 in china. snow caused thousands of buildings to collapse. apparently almost 160,000 people were evacuated from their homes or stranded vehicles. and several victims of the ft. hood shootings will be laid to rest today. friends, families and public

leaders will attend those funerals. services will be held in indiana, wisconsin and utah. that's a quick check of your saturday headlines here on hln. i'm virginia cha. the attorney for the alleged gunman in the ft. hood rampage says major nidal hasan is paralyzed from the waist down. ed lavandera has more on where the investigation stands now. >> reporter: nidal hasan's family describes him as a good american, but several who knew him say the high-ranking army officer expressed extremist islamic views. one says hasan openly pledged allegiance not to the united states, but the koran. when asked if the constitution was a brilliant document, he simply responded, no, not particularly. >> our sources asked not to be identified because of the ongoing investigation, and the investigators wouldn't comment on the details they offered. >> we are doing everything possible and we are looking at every reason for this shooting. we are aggressively following every possible lead.

we are collecting, analyzing and disseminating every piece of critical information pertaining to this case. >> reporter: hasan has been formally charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder. the sources say superiors at the uniformed services university were told about his inflammatory comments, but that concerns about how to handle the situation led to hasan being coddled and accommodated, even though he made class presentations pushing extremist ideology. university officials wouldn't comment, and ha ascertasahasan' wouldn't either, saying his concern was a fair trial. >> the right to a fair trial ought to be applied to those areas and i've said also that given the nature of the offenses, these folks are talking about, is probably going to be a long and difficult road. le. >> reporter: the road to recovery for the wounded in last week's attack will be long and hard. 12 soldiers are still

hospitalized, but many other soldier who is have left the hospital are already back on duty. >> general casey called this event a kick in the gut, which is so appropriate. but at this time, ft. hood has gotten it breath back and we continue to move forward. >> reporter: military officials are frustrated about the anecdotal information leaking out about hasan and they're urging anyone who's had contact with him over the last seven year to share their information directly with investigators. ed lavandera, cnn, ft. hood, texas. there are some strong reactions out there to the decision to bring a 9/11 trial to new york. attorney general eric holder said yesterday five suspects with alleged ties to the attacks will be tried in a civilian court in manhattan. the suspects include confessed 9/11 mastermind khalid shaikh mohammed and four other guantanamo bay detainees.

>> these people are war criminals, terrorists, they do not deserve the full panoply of protection of the law and most important of all, they did terrible, horrible crimes against the human race and now they'll be given a forum to make america seem bad again. and to criticize and mock americas. it's just extremely unseemly. >> this may turn out to be an opportunity for some people to get some of the justice they've been looking for for a long time and may show that the civilian court system can succeed in certain cases where the evidence is clear, is overwhelming and where you don't need to use all this secret evidence that's been obtained through the torture program of the bush administration. >> the trial is set to be held blocks away from ground zero. increased fighting in afghanistan is hurting more real among u.s. soldiers there. in contrast, two surveys found more real is up

with soldiers in iraq because combat there is decreasing. it also indicates suicides are jumping across the board. this report comes as president obama considers sending more troops to afghanistan. police have arrested a sixth member of a missouri family suspected of sexually abusing kids for years. his brother and four nephews were were arrested tuesday. they were charged with rape and child sex abuse, but a sheriff says more charges could come next week. six alleged victims who are now adults told investigators the suspects sexually abused them when they were children. the so-called balloon boy, hi grandmother is standing by her son. she wants the world to know richard heene is a goodson and family man. she says he felt somewhat pressured to plead guilty

yesterday >> i still firmly believe that this was not a hoax and that this was a mistake and regrettably so because it involved so many people. >> you may recall that heene and his wife told authorities they were afraid their 6-year-old son floated away in that giant helium balloon. that set off a race to track the balloon and find the boy. he was actually hiding in the attic the whole time. prosecutors are push fog jail time for the couple. the remnants of tropical storm ida are moving out to sea. leaving behind a real mess. the storm pummelled the coastline for three days and caused flooding, damaged buildings and eroded beaches. there is a danger of coastal flooding in the northeast today. that storm is blamed for the deaths of at least six people. there a fowl problem on the new jersey turnpike. >> time for her reality show and we're still going to be out here collecting tolls. >> tammy the turkey. this bold bird is causing quite a stir two weeks before thanksgiving.

air travel condition a nightmare, but knowing how to work the system can help make it a little less stressful. >> the best way to avoid delays both on the tore mac and in general is to take the first flight of the day. delays pile up through the day causing congestion. if you can get ahead of the problem, take the first flight of the morning you'll be in good shape. >> using alternative airports will help. >> smaller airports have fewer planes arriving and departing, so may be less likely to have delays. >> listen to the advice of other travelers and take weather into considering. >> laguardia in northern is no tore yurs for flight delays. it's one people talk about avoiding, chicago o'hare is particularly tricky in the winter months, and it can slow down airports all over the country.

somebody might want to tell a jaywalking turkey that thanksgiving is just around the corner because this bird has made a busy road her new home. as our affiliate reports, it's every become a really "fowl" problem for drivers. >> reporter: meet tammy. a wild turkey who makes her home in new jersey, but on exit 14 b on the turnpike? >> she gets up in the morning when the sun comes up and comes across the lanes. >> reporter: robin, who works forred turnpike authority has never seen a bird like this. >> she's feisty, but is a good bird. >> reporter: the rare bird stares down semis and is seen eating her favorite snack. cracker jacks. how long has she been here? >> almost a year. yeah, walking around all over.

>> reporter: tammy here, she's fearless. not only does she weave in and out of traffic, on one of the busiest highways in the state, she's doing it two weeks before thanksgiving. although she obeys much of the rules and doesn't henpeck the toll boot, some are cry iing fo. >> i come through here every day and sometimes see the turkey two or three times a week. >> reporter: that's because she now has regular visitors. some even take pictures and that's become a real nuisance for drivers. >> tammy's going to have her own reality show and we're going to be here collecting tolls. >> reporter: fearing someone could get hurt, there are plans to relocate tammy, but until they do, watch out. how many do you think she owes you in tolls? >> for her. nothing, the turnpike can write it off. >> our thanks to mia tosky for that report. by the way, the turnpike authorities hopes to have tammy

taken to a new home in a wildlife preserve, and tammy will be relieved to know there's no hunting allowed there. it turns out these seals won't be getting an eviction notice. yesterday a judge overruled an earlier decision that would remove them. the cove was originally a children's swimming area, but the seals moved in during the 1990s. a court originally ordered them to be removed because seal waste bacteria is dangerous for humans, but the new law allows the area to become a marine park. so the judge decided there is no need to remove those seals. i'm larry smith. money talks, even for a guy whose great-grandkids won't need any. tiger woods was wooed to play in his first tournament in australia. third round is done and tiger was rolling right along until he completely fell apart. he blew a three-shot lead. in a six-hole span, and had to

rally to get back into a tloof he way tie. watch this. didn't like the drive. throws his club, which bounces off the ground and into the gallery, which he retrieved. in the u.s., they would sell it on ebay, but downunder, they gave it back. tiger trying to make things happen. among the contenders for college football's national championship, this guy, he's a senior quarterback, first action in a month since he injured his non-throwing arm. he comes? four plays of those, throw two touchdown passes, helps the bearcats remain undefeated, 10-0. lebron james doesn't want to be like mike. the cleveland cavaliers star says he will personally retire number 23 in honor of that man, michael jordan. the reigning most valuable player wants the nba to retire 23 leaguewide in honor of the great superstar jordan. was somebody playing with the light switch last night? big game and the lights went

out, not once, but twice. both times for 18 minutes. once in the first half. once in the second half. part of some kind of power grid issue they had. the galaxy got the win. so they move on to the mls final. david beckham going for a championship and maybe his final game in a galaxy uniform. that's sports. call this a competitive edge or maybe just too much time on someone's hands? take a look. some folks said a new record for toppling dominos. you'll be surprised to hear exactly how many dominos are at work here.

nasa scientists say they have discovered water on the moon. the find, the result of last month's experiment when they crashed a satellite near the moon's south pole. remember that? the rocket took samples from debris clouds and found evidence that water was there. experts say it will help prepaid for future human missions on the moon, and it can also help scientists understand how the solar system was formed. investigators are trying to figure out who shot and killed five people found inside a

burning home. police say four people were killed before the trailer home burned, another victim was found in a separate house. a sheriff's department spokesperson says there are no leads or suspects. this story is just amazing. a runner who collapsed after a marathon in arkansas didn't have a pulse for 40 minutes. he just finished the race when he suffered a heart attack. doctors were able to revive him through a new procedure. it's called therapeutic hypothermia. they lowered his body temperature and protected his brain cells. >> i didn't think he would wake up, or if he did, he would be limited, but at 45 minutes, that's just an extremely long time. >> if this event had happened at like during the race at mile 9 or mile 20 or so where there was no medical care, i would have died. because they couldn't have gotten to me soon enough. >> the 67-year-old runner should be released from the hospital today with a new lease on life.

so this might give you a whole new look on the phrase "domino effect." watch this. >> five, four, three, two, one. >> those folks set up and knocked down more than 4 million dominos in the netherlands yesterday. that is a new world record. and to spice things up, organizers incomped pictures of different place from around the world, including new york. we try to break the record every year. the new record beat the old one by more than 140,000 dominos, and fort record about 300,000 dominoings failed to fall. congratulations. novelist stephen king stopped by hln to talk to our own robin meade. turns out he's a big fan and offered a sneak peek of his new book "under the dome." >> "under the dome" it's called, set in maine, a tiny town and this bubble comes down and boom,

people are locked inside. this becomes a problem how so? >> it becomes a problem, because nobody can get in, nobody did get out, so the food supplying that are there, there's no electricity, because when the dome cuts down it cuts all the lines. the government cuts the phones. they do have some internet and tv. one of the things i had fun with is there's a lot of newspeople in this, because an event like that would pull everybody off their beats. so i had a chance to put in all my cnn people. >> you can see more of robin's interview with stephen king, including the question about whether he is thinking about retiring? don't misacquisition morning express" from 6:00 to 10:00 in the morning. the roar of a 900-horsepower engine may not see the most eco

friendly, but race fans are finding out that speed can be ecoconscious. >> reporter: for a sport centered around cars that car, they get about 5 miles per gallon and races all use tires that are shredded and each year, 180,000 gallons of oil. >> the oil in a stock car could be used for what? >> in fleets and cars thousands of cars and tons of trash. and officials say that all of them will within the next few years. >> much of the success is being held on changing the every day behavior of the fans and that's where the drivers come in.

>> i've enjoyed the outdoors and ip want to make sure that it's still there for my kids and grandkids. >> brian, driver of the 83 car, is the sports young talent. since nascar fans are infamous to the fans that sponsor the drivers, he thinks that he and others may be able to sell them on eco consciousness as well. >> there's a connection with this sport and its fans unlike any other. it presents a bigger impact. >> the potential is there but even jeff bord en, some one of the biggest races in and there's a lot that we can't be doing and i think the fans would appreciate that. >> brianna keel lar, cnn, richmond, virginia. >> for more environmental news, go to our website at cnn.com/eco solutions. in case you haven't heard, the world is coming to an end in

2012. so many people, nasa 

i will never quit. >> i will never quit. >> i am an american soldier. >> after our country was viciously attacked in september 2001, i enlisted in my state guard with georgia defense force

and served for more than eight years but i am proud today to serve on the team with hln's robin meade. why? so they can be as savvy about money as you are. >> i want to tell you something that is obvious to you we are in a really tough spot with our economy. and i want to tell you something crazy. today's economy and people came before in order to build a financial future for yourself is

cheaper now than and many men and women, you have access and i p want you to know that even though a lot of your relatives and civilian life and you are in a position to have an absolutely fantastic future. >> we have lieutenant jose elizabeth, right? >> yeah. >> and he wants to know about how much money you can save selling your house. what makes you ask that? >> today they are saying on cnn that soldiers are getting a discount. >> so you want to know what kind of discount there is for the military? >> there is a special program for soldiers and you have a home

that you can't sell for what you owe on it, the feds will absorb a portion of those losses. and depending on the amount that you would be upside down when you sell your home, the feds would either end up covering all of it or a substantial portion of your upside down amount. and here we go lawsuit tenant. i have the actual -- see, my executive producer is so swift. the actual law is called a military assist 1257b9 home loan program and there are specific rules about who is eligible for compensation under the program but it's cut off date at sunset is transfers through 2012. so it is there specifically so

you that service our country do not service a hardship. you don't say, hey, i think i want to move to. you're told. so you shouldn't suffer financial harm because of that. >> right behind him is staff sergeant derek hallbash and somebody contacted him. when people contact you, my radar always goes up. what do you mean, they contacted you about relief. what were they telling snu. >> they said that they could refinance my home, about a third off. could you advise -- do you advise going with this strugs or not? >> well, it is within reason that you could get a 30-year refinance right now from 4.75% to 5.25% if you have solid credit for a 15-year refi right now from just under 4% to 4.25.

the question is, what fees are they going to charge you and you want to divide them into three parts. part some one is the interest rate that anybody ever tells you about. the second part is they charge you what are known as points. each point is 1% of the amount of money that you're borrowing. do you know how many points you should pay on a refi? none. the third category is closing costs. they go from here to here. and that's where a lot of lenders will say, they are picking your pocket when they are smiling at you because they will say, hey, we'll give you this great rate but charge you so much in closing costs that it's not a great rate. but is it true you could get 4.75 right now?

yes, it is. >> next on clark howard -- >> we have a brand new 2008 truck that has a very high interest rate in the near 20s, 20%. >> you don't? >> it just touches my heart because, you know, we know that the men and women in uniform sacrifice so much. but sometimes we don't really hear about the family stories. and they sacrifice just as much.

>> so senior officer jeff torres. >> in the last year my wife and i have been concerned about the forecast in education and $300,000 to shell out. what i've done for the first year sin vested in my state's

529 plan. what is your opinion on 52 # plans or other state plans that i don't know about. >> it's a college savings plan that you can put money into it and all of the money grows tax free as long as the money is used for college. all of the earnings are tax free so it's the best vehicle to save for college. what state are you in. >> in virginia. we've remained a virginia resident almost exclusively for those reasons. >> virginia is some one of the states that has multiple 529 plans. and there are good 529 plans in virginia and bad some ones. so i have a guide on my website, which is clarkhoward.com where you can do the hyper link and make sure that the virginia plan that you are in is the good some one, not some one of the bad some ones.

>> this is colonel retiring from the firm, about five years from retirement. and she has a question about coming up on retimplt. >> good afternoon, sir. >> hi. >> i'm actually going to be retiring from the army reserve next year sometime. and i will retire from my civilian job i'm projecting five or six years from then. >> when do you rest? >>. >> right now i'm resting. >> this is it. she's resting. >> i just got back from afghanistan and i'm on my way home and but i have about five more working years. i don't get my reserve retirement until i'm 59 1/2. what would be the best thing to look into for end of career type of investments.

>> okay. let me ask you a tough question. if you quit working at 59 1/2, the odds are you will live maybe another 30 years or so. are you confident that you're going to have enough money five years from now that you will be able to carry yourself the rest of your life? >> pending a market crash, unless there's a market crash, i expect to have enough by the time i hit 60. >> so you feel comfortable that you are going to be able to at 60, boom, you're done? >> well, i might not want to quit work. i still like to work. >> all right. do you understand why i'm asking this question? >> yes. >> because i want to make sure that you are in a position and although i was talking with the young soldier about doing a roth account for you doing a roth is even better because you're allowed to do what is known as catchup. you can do an extra thousand a year at 6 grand each year into a roth account. and i would do that for these

next five years. when military personnel are deployed over cease, often they leave behind a spouse and children who suddenly are having to deal with money issues state side. i had the privilege of sitting down with some one couple that's getting ready for an imminent over cease deployment. my name is prif lights and this is our two week old son hunter white. i'm 21 years old and my wife is 19. we're facing a deployment here in about two weeks. >> how can we be of service to you? >> i have a question. i know with the way that the economy is and banks sort of changing the rules as far as things go, are there any banks still participating in the soldiers and sailors relief act? >> they don't have a choice. they have to. and why is that relevant in your

case? >> my husband is deploying to iraq in the next two weeks and we have a brand-new 2008 truck that has a very high interest rate, in the near 20s, 20%. >> you don't? >> he -- >> what from you thinking? we were young when we got it. >> while you're deployed, that will go down to 6%. you have to petition for t the other thing is, your credit is good. why don't you re-fi it. >> we're actually thinking about doing that. >> ask them. it may require a down payment for the reduction in the loan balance. they will mark it down if your credit is good. >> i have some one more question for you. i have two credit cards but i've been very leary with them. if i've put anything on by the time i get the statement, as soon as i get the statement, i

pay it off. how is that affectinging my credit score? >> it's making it great. that's the right thing to do. learn from her. >> okay. next on clark howard -- >> would you want me toting a gun? let's take a vote. who wants me carrying a gun?

we are at an arm mow post to show gratitude for the young men and women who put their lives on the line for our country and answer their questions and also those of retired military

personnel about their wallets. but i am joined by new york times best selling author, robin meade. >> it it feels good to be on the new york times best sellers list, doesn't it? >> hi, you may not know me but i'm on the new york times best sellers list. >> i remember i was at a humanity and i got a phone call and it was amazing because, let me tell you, i didn't do very well in english and high school. the new york best sellers list was pretty good. >> we just had a graduation ceremony for a new group of recruits and i was at the ceremony earlier today and i want you to know, there's a

massive grand stand that was 100% full with family and friends and there were standees, a couple of them because there was no more room for them. they were there to express their pride in a young soldier a young family member who put himself on the united states army and he expressed gratitude to soldiers that is not based on a pr buff thing. >> on the morning show, morning express with robin meade, every day we salute -- >> somebody. >> well, these she's on the list. every year we do a salute to the troops. it's once an hour and generally it can be someone in the military but do you know who it generally is? it's family members generally missing their loved some one because they might be deployed

over cease or even just at another base where they can't be. >> i cannot tell you how much i miss my son. >> i wish he was my dad. >> i love my husband so much because he puts smiles on my children's faces. he's such an amazing husband and father. our 9-month-old misses her father so much. please be careful and come home safe. we love you so much. >> it just touches my heart because, you know, we know that the men and women in the uniform sacrifice so much but sometimes we don't hear the family stories. my heart goes out to all sides

of the family, whether they are in uniform or not. >>. >> and you have been to a number of posts? >> uh-huh. at ft sam houston, we were visiting amputees and then something happened where they were amputees. we were at ft brag doing a special and the soldiers are pretty excited to see you? >> really? >> yes. >> everyone is asking me why i'm in uniform because i saw you looking at me in uniform and -- >> i don't know if it's the correct title. are you in the reserves? what do you do? >> i'm in the state guard. >> what does he do? >> thank you for asking. there are 27 of the 50 states that have state guards that are

usually part of the states guardsman only deploy within the 50 sfats. >> and what job do you do? >> they have me do public affairs. i have listed right after the terrorist attacks, someone told me about the state guard and i was like, wow, i'm too old to go into and for all of the states that have state guards and how people can volunteer and enlist. >> do you want me toting a gun? let's take a vote. who wants me carrying a gun? who wants me not carrying a gun? okay. >> you know, your weapon -- your

weapon is the information with finances and you help us. >> oh, very good.

>> i will never quit. >> i will never quit. >> welcome back to the national infantry museum in columbus, georgia. we're here with our brave men

and women who i appreciate putting so much on the line for their freedom. we're here to answer questions for better ways to handle their dough. >> thank you for your service. he heard you talk about tsp and he wants to know about other good investments. >> like what? >> to get a little more money. >> if you have more money than you put -- >> no. let's say we already have the tsp or -- >> and you want -- >> what other investments that you know of -- >> i got t all right. you've got $5,000 for me right now? >> yeah. >> okay. good. because you can do -- everybody's head swivelled. they are like, who? let me see. >> who has the 5,000? you can do up to 5 thourn,000 i

calendar. if you're married, you do five and five. you don't have to do five. that's just the ceiling. but listen to this, you never get taxed on that money. everything you earn on it tax free. when you spend it, you spend it tax-free. and the tax-free advantage over time is when you're allowed to spend the money -- when would you guess i'm going to let you spend the money? >> that was the next question. when can i spend it? >> how old are you now? >> 33. >> 33? so you would put this money into a roth and you've got to leave it in there for 26 years but then everything that you have is your money to spend dollar for dollar, government out of your

life on taxing it. >> chrissy, i'm sitting right beside her. and you're doing over cease pcs move to germany. you only have two months to prepare. what question do you have financially? >> i want to know -- there are extra costs that are going to be occurring for an over cease move that will not be -- like shipping our pet and things with our cars and multiple things that we are coming across that we have to do. and i was wondering, instead of dipping into our savings, which would you think would be the best way to cover these costs since we only have two months to prepare and we have to start doing that now? >> actually, this is the kind of circumstance that dipping into savings is appropriate. that'ses what that's what it's there for. but you said shipping cars to germany? >> well, like we're shipping some one. there are things that we have to do to ship the cars. things that we have to do to the tires. >> and you're having to pay for the shipping of the car. >> no, we're not paying for the shipping but all of the

maintenance that needs to be done and the shipping of the pet and -- we're going over the $1,000 mark and, of course, i don't have that budgeted into the monthly budget. >> but you do have save sngs. >> yes, we do have savings. >> you're making the people right behind you very happy. you have a way to pay for those that are not covered. >> next on clark howard -- >> this is how much this guy loves saving money and he's going to share that with you. he uses some one razor every six months. i'm not joking.

>> my father-in-law is a huge fan and any time we ask financial advice, they always say, well, clark howard says. so we hear that a lot. we have to tell you that they are huge fans. and they really like you a lot. >> thank you. >> on my way back from my wreck, just before we redeployed to the states, i got paid the 9 grand and i decided to take a loan out for the other 9 to build my credit. would it be smart of me to ride out my loan? i'm not having any problems paying it off. >> what interest is the harley loan at? >> 4.69%. >> that's a fantastic rate. is that subsidized by harley or from the credit union?

>>. >> credit union. >> smart man. >> before we go on, who has already joined the credit union? >> all right. i want to tell you something. next time i come here, whenever i ask that question, i want that hand up in the air because you're missing a real opportunity. you heard that 4.69%. and credit unions are so great and virtually every military installation that you're going to have access to, you're going to have a credit union. you're not going to learn why it's so great to be in some one. if you go to a bank and open an account, you are helping to fund the profits for the stockholders of that bank. on the other hand, everything that they do and everything that they offer is so that you get a better deal on loans, savings,

and checking. so by the time we're done today, i hope that everybody will raise their hands and say that they are a credit union zeb all right. specialist craig fry is here and he has a question about something that i've seen again and again. >> what is the best way to invest in gold. >> other than turn in your wife's story and stuff like that? >> yeah. >> okay. first, any of those ads that you see on tv from people who bi your jewelry and stuff like that, run away. run away. not to them. second, biing gold is tough. because when you bi actual gold, you have to pay a commission to bi it. you have to pay a commission to sell it. and then let's say you put real money into gold. let's say you take all of your savings and put it into gold. gold is something that people want to steal. so then you've got to pay to

lock it up. so then anything that i like about biing actual gold. but there's a trick way to bi it. it's easy and cheap if gold is what you want to have. you can bi ownership in gold, like you bi a stock. and it's called an etf, an exchange traded fund, which sounds complicated but it's not, and you pay a company to bi gold for you. they store it for you in a vault and then when you choose to sell it, you can sell it right away at whatever market price is. it's really, really easy to do. and it saves you a fortune. and you have the same thing owning gold there are a lot of money issues that come up with that and i visited some one couple that had a lot of

questions for me. >> i've had some one deployment to iraq for 15 months during the surge from 2007 to 2008. >> and you were going to be deployed where in america? >> i'm going to be stationed at ft brag. >> so that's like a permanent duty station? >> yes. >> what kind of questions do you have about biing there? >> we won't have a significant amount of down payment or should we rent for a while and put a decent sized savings away so we can put a good down payment down on the home? >> there's no right answer to that. if you bi a home pretty quickly under the v.a. loan, the advantage to that is that the housing market will not recover six months from now. let's say you waited 18 months, 24 months to have substantial

down payment. they may have started to have a meaningful recovery to the market. even though i love people to pay substantial down payment, in your circumstance, when you get to bragg, i would look at biing there. but especially if you find some one that's a real deal. >> next on clark howard -- >> you can actually ask for a bargain? >> no, it's something that you look for.

>> how are you doing, clark? >> good. >> the question is about biing a house and it's either buying a

house or building a house and what's the best way to invest in land. >> i would prefer that you consider buying a house rather than buking land. houses are selling for less than replacement cost. the price is cheaper than it cost sticks up to build. so you might get are real deal on the land but then you decide to build your own house now or later. if you were to build the house now, at least you'd get good prices from builders and you'd get better prices on materials because the market is not in great shape because you've got to buy it at a fraction of what it would cost to make. >> what is the best way to be debt-free before retirement?

when are you going to be retiring? >> ten years from the army reserve and two to five years from civil service. >> okay. so the question is, what kind of debts do you have that you're trying to get your arms around? >> i want to get around to paying off the house and having just house and utilities by the time i retire. >> all right. paying off your home mortgage is not always a priority. the big priority is paying off personal loans, car loans, and home mortgage debt is not a high priority with me. it's more important that you beef up your savings than it is to be mortgage debt-free. it's psychological for people to be mortgage debt-free when they retire. i'm not much into that because your house isn't going to feed you money. you're going to feed yourself from the money that you save. >> yeah, but clark, what about -- i heard other financial analysts who aren't half as good as you.

when they say, yeah, that you are paying off your mortgage should be a priority because that way you are never homeless. >> well, that is the good point but i'm more concerned about people who retire, don't have enough money, don't have enough cash to pay for every-day things, and they, as an empty victory, own their house free and clear. >> this is how much this guy loves saving money and he's going to share a little bit of that with you. he uses some one razor every six months. >> the secret to making a blade last that long is yours for free if you buy robin meade's best sellers book. >> the secret is, whatever blade

you use, dry it after you use it. the blade does not deteriorate from shaving you, does not deteriorate from a guy's beard or from shaving a woman's leg. it only deteriorates from the moisture. so if you're drying a blade, just before i find out about this, i had gone to a warehouse club and they had 35 packs of razors on clearance and i had 70 that i had bought. now, i used two blades a year so that means i now have a 35-year supply of razors and i've got to make it to 89 years old. >> anybody know the secret pricing code at sam's club? >> really? does it have anything to do with

what kind of card you are? >> are you serious? >> you can actually ask for a bargain? >> when you're walking around sam's, anything that ends in some one cent has been marked down. they don't want to wait for things to be reduced. so for internal use, if you see something like $52.31, that means before it may have been $89.99. so when i walk around sam's, at sam's yesterday and i walked the floor and i go aisle to aisle and look for what is ending in some one penny and then i look to see if i want it and that's how i shop there. >> okay. how did you learn that? how did you find that out? >> it's my job to know stuff like that. anybody ever been in a costco wholesale? >> oh, yeah.

>> nobody has been -- >> oh, honey -- >> anybody know the system at costco? they have a similar thing. 97 cents. anything marked down below cost. so those are the times you're getting something that's a real, real, real deal. >> i have with me officer candidate neil schubert and his wife laura. it's good to see you. and laura, who do you have in your arms here? >> this is aubrey. >> and who's in your arms? >> who are you? >> bella. >> bella. >> bella, how are you, honey? >> good. >> how old are you? >> four. >> i understand that you might be going to harvard someday and that's expensive. >> yeah. go to school? >> that is what you want to know about, right? >> that's right. >> how you're going to pay for these two in college? >> exactly. >> tell me what you've been thinking, what you've been trying to process what you're going to do here. because pretty expensive for two

of them in college. >> absolutely. right now we're just kind of looking at just saving as much as we can. but we're trying to figure out what options are out there to you know, save more to get the most bang for our buck. >> the big thing is that i always want to make sure that the two of you are saving for yourselves, first. so your first step is to put up to $5,000 for each of you into a roth each year. if you still have more money you want to save, then you can open one of the college 529 plans. the 529 savings plans. but you start by saving for yourself, because the roth has the double flexibility, if they end up getting scholarships, whatever it is, you don't need any money for college. but you still need it for retirement. >> perfect. >> okay. >> does that make sense? >> absolutely. that's fantastic. thank you so much. >> sure.

next on "clark howard" -- >> you want the car that your neighbors and your friends are laughing at you about. because then someday you're going to be saying -- am i going to go play golf over there or over there? and they're getting in their car and they're going to work. y8

remembering the victims of the fort hood shooting rampage, the first funerals for those who gave their all are being held across the country throughout the day. iran is calling in the cyberpolice to fight what it calls insults and lies. while others call the attempt to police the internet just another effort to crack down on the government opposition. and an unexpected scare at a high school football game. a wall collapses, sending people tumbling to the ground. we'll bring you the latest on the hospitalized students. you're watching hln news and views, thanks for watching. fubls are being held across

the country today for some of the victims of fort hood shootings, to captain john gaffney, a psychiatric news from the san diego areath and a funeral is under way for staff sergeant justin decrow, an indiana native. a funeral is being held today for private first class aaron nemelka in utah, members of utah's congressional delegation is expected to attend and a private funeral for staff sergeant amy krueger was held in illinois. she was remembered last night. >> i was amy's first commander. and we went to afghanistan together in 2003 and 2004. and i think the one thing that you recognize as you serve with people for any period of time, just like any family, what gets you through incredibly difficult

events is coming together as a family. >> the funeral for private first-class michael pearson will be held later today in midway, illinois. and there's also a funeral planned for specialist jason hunt, of frederick, oklahoma. 13 people were killed and dozens more wounded after the attacks last week. the only suspect, major nidal malik hasan, remains hospitalized, he's been charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder. president obama is asking congress to slow down on fort hood. he says lawmakers shouldn't be focusing on possible intelligence failures until the police and military officials get a chance to do their job and finish up the work on the shooting. the president already ordered his own intelligence review of the accused gun man, major nidal malik hasan. >> the purpose of this investigation is clear, we must compile every piece of information that was known about the gunman and we must learn what was done with that information.

once we have those facts, we must act upon them. if there was failure to take appropriate action before the shootings, there must be accountability. beyond that and most importantly, we must quickly and thoroughly evaluate and address any flaws in the system, so we can prevent a similar breach from happening again. our government must be able to act swiftly and surely when it has threatening information. and our troops must have the security that they deserve. i know there will be inquiries by congress, and they should. but all of us should resist the temptation to turn this tragic event into the political theater that sometimes dominates the discussion here in washington. the stakes are far too high. of all the response builts of the presidency. the one i weigh most heavily is the one as commander-in-chief. their service and bravery were on full display in fort hood. the great dignity has been on

display, in rallying together. >> leading the charge for congressional investigations into the fort hood shootings, independent senator joe lieberman. as the fighting in afghanistan increases, it's hurting morale among u.s. troops there. the u.s. army released a new report comparing morale in afghanistan and in iraq. in iraq, morale is up and fighting has tapered off there. but in afghanistan, morale is dropping as the summit has intensified its push against the taliban. and the surveys also show that the army's overall suicide rate has jumped. and the army said it's getting more mental health workers to work in afghanistan. president obama is now in singapore. the second stop on his asia tour. he's meeting with leaders of apec, the asia pacific economic cooperation forum. before he left japan, the president said the u.s. needs to work more closely with asia, because it could create jobs back home.

he also said there are other tough things to deal with. >> this is a place where the risks of a nuclear arms race threatens the security of the wider world. and where extremists who defile a great religion plan attacks on both our continents. and there can be no solution to our energy security and our climate challenge without the rising powers and developing nations of the asia pacific. to meet these common challenges, the united states looks to strengthen old alliances and build new partnerships. with the nation's of this region. >> while in singapore, the president is due to talk with russian president, about replacing the start ii nuclear agreement which expires next month. there's strong reaction to bring a 9/11 trial to new york city. attorney general eric holder said five suspects with alleged ties to the attacks will be tried in a civilian court in manhattan blocks from ground zero.

the suspects include khalid sheikh mohammed, and four other detainees from guantanamo bay. family members of the victims are sharply divided over the prospect of a civilian trial. >> to bring it back here, to me, my feelings, it's tasteless, it's insensitive. and those scars which have never been healed, are just going to be opened again. so i am not comfortable with this call. >> i think it speaks to the very heart of who we are. not only as new yorkers, but as american citizens. you know, if a crime is committed on our soil, you are going to be given a trial. you will be given access to an attorney. >> it's not just the families of the 9/11 victims, sharply divided over the idea of a civilian trial. some say it's dangerous. because any evidence obtained against the defendants under duress, such as waterboarding, cannot be used in the trial. >> i do not understand why war

criminal should be able to have the same rights as a common criminal. i think the american people will be very unhappy about this decision. they should be. and they should reverse this decision. and they should be tried in military tribunals. >> this may turn out to be an opportunity for some people to get some of the justice they've been looking for, for a long time. and may show that the civilian court system can succeed in certain cases where the evidence is clear, it's overwhelming. and where you don't need to use all the secret evidence or evidence that has been obtained through the torture program of the bush administration. >> u.s. attorney general eric holder said he made the choice to try the suspects in civilian court for several reasons. because of the strength of the evidence against them, the fact that the 9/11 victims were mostly civilians, and the attack took place on u.s. soil. iran is creating a new cyberpolice unit to crack down on internet crimes.

iranian newspapers report the new force will monitor websites, looking for what one official calls fraud, insults and the spreading of lies. it's seen as a move against the opposition in iran, which relies heavily on the web to spread its message. authorities banned most websites that were even linked to the opposition. but often, new sites spring up within days. iran said how the cyberpolice will carry out their internet surveillance. a series of powerful explosions ripped through this russian army munitionings depot and set off a fire that burned for hours yesterday. officials said the blast killed two firefighters and hurt seven people in the military. people could see and hear the blasts from nine miles away. 3,000 people who live nearby had to evacuate. and the russian defense ministry said the explosions apparently happened when workers were disposing of ammunition. surviving the storm.

remnants of tropical storm ida hammered virginia beach. and one of our own i-reporters was right there on the scene to capture it all.

moving away and out to sea, leaving a real mess behind for three days, the storm hammered the east coast from the carolinas up to new jersey. it's blamed for six deaths, caused flooding, damaged buildings and eroded beaches. there's still a danger of coastal flooding in the northeast, partly due to persistent winds coming in from the atlantic. i-reporter tazz anderson sent us these images of the nor'easter hitting virginia beach. he said no gazebos were hurt in the filming of this video. and he said it nearly knocked him off his feet.

he loves wild weather and dreams of being a storm chaser. a newly-discovered dinosaur could explain why some of them were so big. scientists unearthed these bones in south africa, they belong to a new species. and these guys were big. about 20 feet long. they roamed the earth about 200 million years ago. now most dinosaurs then walked only on two legsed on their hind legs. dinosaurs on all fours came much later. but arrdonyx could walk on both its hind legs, two legs and on all fours. scientists think the fossils could hold important clues to trace the evolution. >> if i tilt it toward you, you can see those same processes that you see in the sauropod dinosaurs, and this allows this radius bone to be locked in place, so that the arm can't twist on itself. and it shows that this animal was bearing the weight on its

forelimb from time to time. when i saw that, that was a big tip-off that hey, we have an animal, that while it may not walk on all fours all the time, certainly was capable of doing it. certainly was capable of dropping down on to all fours and walking on those. >> these new dinosaurs weighed more than 1,000 pounds. but ate only plants. it's a watershed event for nasa. nasa crashed a probe onto the moon and discovered water. and we're not just talking about a few drops. chad myers from our sister network, cnn tells us what it means. forget counting the cars on the new jersey turnpike, you better watch out for the turkeys. >> we're still going to be out here collecting tolls. >> that is tammy the turkey. how the bird is causing quite a stir just two weeks before thanksgiving. what exit is she at?

okay, so that was chad myers from our sister network, cnn. well now, astronaut buzz aldron, the second person set foot on the moon is weighing in. he said he was pleased with the nasa discovery. but said he thinks the u.s. should focus on colonizing mars. this is a miracle at the finish line, a runner collapses after a grueling marathon for nearly an hour he has no pulse. how doctors brought him back to life.

fbi agents are digging through the backyard of a house where an alleged serial killer lived in cleveland. the replains of 11 women have been found at his home he's in jail, charged with five counts of aggravated murder. authorities say sowell used drugs and alcohol to lure women to his home and then strangled them. yesterday fbi used thermal imaging equipment to search for bod disnext door. a former congressman caught hiding $90,000 in his freezer has been sentenced. prosecutors said he took about half a million dollars in bribes and tried to get millions more in exchange for his influence to strike business deals in africa. 13 years is the toughest sentence ever for a u.s. congressman on bribery charges.

jefr sorn sa jefferson says he will appeal. police have arrested a sixth member of a missouri member suspected of sexually abusing kids for years. police say darrell moeller was arrested at his current home in florida, he's the brother of the father in the case, who was arrested on tuesday, with his four sons. charged with rape and child sex abuse. a sheriff says more charges could come next week. six alleged victims, now adults, told investigators that they were sexually abused by the suspects when they were kids. i want to warn you that the pictures you're about do see could be disturbing. and they've certainly got animal rights activists outraged. a police chief in arkansas said he was just trying to keep people safe, northeast arkansas for animals says, that photos show police chief jim groenings shooting seven or eight dogs to death at the pound. animals are normally euthanized by a vet. the sheriff said there were

signs the dogs had rabies and he was acting on the mayor's orders. >> i went down there and saw them foaming and all messed up and fighting each other in the pen and decided that was the best thing to do with them. >> do you think you did wrong? >> no, i don't think i did wrong. i did it in good faith and thought i was helping the dogs for the shape they were in. >> corning's only vet told local tv she was never contacted by city officials until after the dogs were put down. investigators in arkansas are trying to figure out who shot and killed five people, leaving four of them in a burning home. police say, the four people were shot before the mobile home burned. another victim was found in a separate house, a spokesman for the sheriff's department said they don't have any leads yet. the huge arizona mansion destroyed by fire yesterday was set to be auctioned next

february. the arizona republic reports the owner has been trying to sell the scottsdale property for months, even slashing the price from $4 million, to $3.5 million. the owner was home when the fire started. fire crews say the 8,000 square-foot house is a total loss. it had a sprinkler system, but there were no sprinklers in the attic, where it looks like the fire started. this is an amazing medical story. a runner collapsed after running a marathon in arkansas. he had a heart attack after crossing the finish line. he had no pulse for 40 minutes and incredibly, doctors were able to revive him. they used a new procedure called therapeutic hypothermia. they lowed his body temperature and protected his brain cells. >> i didn't think he would probably wake up. or if he did, he'd be limited. but at 45 minutes, it's just an extremely long time. >> if this event had happened like during the race, at mile

nine or mile 20 or so, where there was more medical -- no medical care, i would have died. they couldn't have gotten to me soon enough. >> the 67-year-old should be released today from the hospital. frightening moats for high school students at a football game, when a wall collapsed. take a look at this. the cheers and the game in south carolina quickly turned to horror when a concrete stadium wall gave way. students that were leaning against the wall fell about six feet to the ground. a dozen of them were taken to the hospital. but thankfully, the good news is, nobody has life-threatening injuries. local media report that authorities think the collapse could have come because of heavy rains in the area recently. @@@

remembering the victims of the fort hood shooting rampage. the first funerals for those who gave their all are being held across the country throughout the day. iran is calling in the cy r cyberpolice to fight what it calls insults and lies, while others call the attempt to police the internet another effort to crack down on the government opposition. and an unexpected scare at a high school football game. a wall collapses, sending people tumbling to the ground. we'll bring you the latest on the hospitalized students. you're watching hln news and views, thanks for watching, i'm jennifer westhoven.

funerals are being held today for fort hood victims. friends and family are saying good buy to john gaffaney, he will be buried at the fort rose secretary. and a funeral is under way for staff sergeant justin decrow. and a funeral is being held today for private first class aaron nemelka in utah. and a private funeral for staff sergeant amy kruger was held this morning in illinois. she was remembered last night at a memorial. >> i was amy's first commander. and we actually went to afghanistan together in 2003 and 2004. and i think the one thing that you recognize as you serve with people for any period of time, just like any family, what gets you through incredibly difficult

events, is coming together as a family. the funeral for private first class michael pearson will be held later today in midway. illinois and there's also a funeral planned for specialist jason hunt of frederick, oklahoma. 13 people were killed and dozens more wounded after the attacks last week. the only suspect, major nidal malik hasan remains hospitalized, he's been charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder. president obama is asking congress to slow down on fort hood. he says lawmakers shouldn't be focusing on possible intelligence failures until the police and military officials get a chance to do their job and finish up the work on the shooting. the president already ordered his own intelligence review of the accused gunman, major nidle hasan. >> the purpose of this review is clear, we must compile every piece of information that was known about the gunman and we must learn what was done with that information. once we have those facts, we

must act upon them. if there was a failure to take appropriate action before the shootings, there must be accountability. beyond that and most importantly, we must quickly and thoroughly evaluate and address any flaws in the system so we can prevent a similar breach from happening again. our government must be able to act swiftly and surely when it has threatening information. and our troops must have the security that they deserve. i know there will also be inquiries by congress and there should. but all of us should resist the temptation to turn this tragic event into the political theater that sometimes dominates the discussion here in washington. the stakes are far too high. of all the responsibilities of the presidency, the one that i weigh most heavily is my duty as commander-in-chief to our splendid service men and women. their character and bravery were on full display in that processing center in fort hood when so many scrambled under fire to help their wounded comrades and their great dignity and decency has been on display

ever since. >> leading the charge for congressional investigations into the fort hood shootings, independent senator joe lieberman. as the fighting in afghanistan increases, it's hurting morale among u.s. troops there. the u.s. army released a new report comparing morale in afghanistan and in iraq. in iraq, morale is up, fighting has tapered off there. but in afghanistan, morale is dropping as the u.s. has intense fied its push against the taliban. the surveys also show the army's overall suicide rate has jumped. the army said it's working to get more mental health workers to help soldiers cope. and that report comes as president obama considers sending more troops into afghanistan. president obama is now in singapore. the second stop on his asia tour. he's meeting with leaders of apec, the asia-pacific economic cooperation forum. before he left japan, the president said the u.s. needs to work more closely with asia, because it could create jobs back home. he also said there are other

tough things to deal with. >> this is a place where the risk of a nuclear arms race threatens the security of the wider world. and where extremists who defile a great religion plan attacks on both our continents. and there can be no solution to our energy security and our climate challenge without the rising powers of developing nations of the asia-pacific. to meet these common challenges, the united states looks to strengthen old alliances and build new partnerships with the nations of the this region. >> while in singapore, the president is due to talk with russia president about replacing the s.t.a.r.t. ii nuclear agreement which expires next month. strong reaction to the decision to bring a 9/11 trial to new york city. attorney general eric holder says five suspects with alleged ties to the attacks will be tried in civilian court in manhattan, blocks away from ground zero. the suspects include khalid shake mohammed, who has

confessed to being the mastermind behind 9/11, and four other detainees from guantanamo bay. friends and family of the victims are sharply divided over the prospect of a civilian trial. >> to bring it back here, to me, my feeling, it's tasteless, it's insensitive. and those scars, which have never been healed, are just going to be opened again. so i am not comfortable one iota with this call. >> i think it speaks to the very heart of who we are. not only as new yorkers, but as american citizens. you know, if a crime is committed on our soil, you are going to be given a trial. you will be given access to an attorney. >> it's not just the families of the 9/11 victims sharply divided over the idea of a civilian trial. some say it's dangerous. because any evidence obtained against the defendants under duress such as waterboarding cannot be used in the trial. >> i do not understand why a war

criminal should be able to have the same rights as a common criminal. i think the american people will be very unhappy about this decision. they should be. and they should reverse this decision. and they should be tried in military tribunals. >> this may turn out to be an opportunity for some people to get some of the justice they've been looking for, for a long time. and may show that the civilian court system can succeed in certain cases where the evidence is clear, is overwhelming and where you don't need to use all the secret evidence or evidence that's been obtained through the torture program of the bush administration. >> u.s. attorney general eric holder said he made the choice to try the suspects in civilian court for several reasons. because of the strength of the evidence against them, the fact that the 9/11 victims were mostly civilians and the attack took place on u.s. soil. iran is creating a new cyberpolice unit to crack down on internet crimes.

iranian newspapers report the new force will monitor websites, looking for what one official calls fraud, insults and the spreading of lies, it's seen as a move against the opposition in iran, which relies heavily on the web to spread its message. now authorities banned most websites that were even linked to the opposition, but often, new sites spring up within days. iran hasn't said how the cyberpolice will carry out their internet surveillance. surviving the storm -- remnants of tropical storm ida hammered virginia beach. and one of our own i-reporters was right there on the scene, to capture it all.

the final remnants of tropical storm ida are finally moving away and out to sea.

leaving a real mess behind for three days the storm hammered the east coast from the carolinas up to new jersey. it's blamed for at least six deaths and caused flooding, damaged buildings and eroded beaches. there's still a danger of coastal flooding in the northeast today. that's partly due to persistent winds coming in from the atlantic. i-reporter tazz anderson sent us these images of that nor'easter hitting virginia beach. he was light-hearted about it and said no gazebos were hurt in the filming of this video. he said the winds were tremendous and at times nearly knocked my 200-pound frame off my feet. he loves wild weather and dreams of being a storm chaser. a newly-discovered dinosaur could explain why some of them were so big. scientists unearthed these bones in south africa, they belong to a new species, ardonnyx. and these guys were big, about 20 feet long, they roamed the earth about 200 million years ago. now most dinosaurs then walked

only on two legsed on their hind legs. dinosaurs on all fours, called sauropods came much later. but arddonyx walked on hind legs, two legs and on all fours. scientists think it could hold important clues. >> if i tilt it toward you, you can see those same processes that you receive seen in the saurpod dinosaurs, and that allows this radius bone to be locked in place, so that the arm can't twist on itself. and it shows that this animal was bearing weight on its forelimbs from time to time. when i saw that, that was a big tip-off that hey, we have an animal that while it may not walk object all fours all the time, certainly was capable of doing it. certainly was capable of dropping down on to its, on to all fours and walking on those. >> arrdonyx weighed more than 1,000 pounds, but it wasn't the

scary kind of dinosaur. he ate only plants. it's a watershed event for nasa. nasa crashed a probe onto the moon and discovered water. and not just a few drops here. chad mires from our sister network cnn, tells us what it means. >> there can be water anywhere now in the entire solar system. in the universe. it really just means we're not the only place that is going to have this. and they proved it. remember this? this is the vehicle they crash-landed. they broke this part off and crashed it into the moon, way on the bottom of a moon in a place that is always dark. it will be that little black spot right there. why did they want to do it on the dark spot? because that spot never warms up. 200 degrees below zero where this thing crashed. and that was important, because they wanted to know in this crater, they wanted to know that this sun, this warm air never reached this. and the water would never have evaporated from here. so they were watching this part

of the moon. here's what happened. they crashed this thing into the moon. there goes the probe. right into a very dark crater on the southern pole of the moon. it splashed up some dust. and the dust, as it flew through it, was collected by a spectrometer in the second vehicle. the vehicle picked all those things up and it said, okay, here's what i found. that right there is a representation of the spectrometer. if it was just gray dirt, it should, the line should have looked like that. the line did not look like that. the line was like this. so the color was wrong. all the scientists went -- aqua doesn't look like that. what are these big dips in what we expect the color to be? well right through here and in here and in here, those dips indicated a especially here, water vapor in that dust. not a lot of water. just vapor, because when this thing hit, it created a dent,

obviously a crater in the moon. the crater got to 700 degrees, so that ice that was under the surface evaporated. vaporized, basically and the second vehicle flu right through it. okay, so that was chad myers from our sister network, cnn. well now astronaut buzz aldrin, the second person to set foot on the moon is weighing in. he said he was pleased with nasa's discovery, but he thinks the u.s. should focus on colonizing mars. this is a miracle at the finish line. a runner collapses after a grueling marathon for nearly an hour he has no pulse. how doctors brought him back to life.

a lawmaker caught hiding $90,000 in his freezer has been sentenced to 13 years behind bars. you may remember louisiana congressman william jefferson, he was convicted of bribery and racketeering. prosecutors said he took about half a million dollars in bribes and tried to get millions more in exchange for his business influence to strike deals in africa. 13 years is the toughest sentence ever for a u.s. congressman on bribery charges.

jefferson says he will appeal. police have arrested a sixth member of a missouri family, suspected of sexually abusing kids for years. police say darrell moehler was arrested at his current home in florida. he's the brother of the father in the case, who was arrested on tuesday with his four sons, charged with rape and child sex abuse. a sheriff says more charges could come next week. six alleged victims, now adults, told investigators that they were sexually abused by the suspects when they were kids. this is an amazing medical story -- a runner collapsed right after running marathon in arkansas. he had a heart attack right after he crossed the finish line. he had no pulse for 40 minutes. and incredibly, doctors were able to revive him. they used a new procedure called their pudic hypothermia. they lowered his body temperature and protected his brain cells. >> i didn't think he would probably wake up.

or if he did, he would probably be limited. at 45 minutes, it's just an extremely long time. >> if this event had happened like at during the race, at mile nine or mile 20 or so, where there was no medical care -- i would have died. because they couldn't have gotten to me soon enough. >> that's amazing, the 67-year-old should be released today from the hospital. frightening moments for high school students at a football game, when a wall collapsed, take a look at this. the cheers and the game in south carolina quickly turned to horror when a concrete stadium wall gave way. students that were leaning against the wall fell about six feet to the ground. a dozen of them were taken to the hospital. but thankfully, the good news is nobody has light-threatening injuries. local media reports that authorities think the collapse could have come because of heavy rains in the area recently. okay, think about this word,

witch hazel. maybe it sounds more like a goth band to you than a beauty product. but it's a product that your great-grandmother may have used and now the company that makes it is trying to generate a around. >> what's flowing through this tube? witch hazel. in the early days, wood from witch hazel shrubs was harvested with horses. today it is still harvested in connecticut but it is distilled in this high-tech facility. his son credits him with the first important renaissance of this family company. >> his vision was to be the best in the country after manufacturing witch hazel. >> everything from facial cleansers to hemorrhoid creams. his son set out to transform the old brand into something fresh

and modern. same product, updated image. >> we are the best in the world at producing this product and our goal is to be the best in the world at marketing the product. >> first off, running the image bast today's consumers. >> that doesn't look like a skin care product. >> the look changed. it is now a pore perfecting toner to position it as a gentle product. >> removes what cleansers don't. >> almost every year i have been here has had double digit groet. the vision i have is expanted the team, bringing more professionals in. >> the company plans to build a new wear house, bringing this 19th century beauty stable to a 21st century beauty rej min.