a look at this woman accused of hiring a hit man for her husband to knock him off there. you see her with the cop, the fake crocodile tears. cops did say it was a fake, she actually tried to kill the guy three times. the last time police staged a fake crime scene. the sirens, the yellow tape whole charade. now there's new video and shows this woman right there in the car talking with the undercover cop setting up the hit. we're also going to have for you the face-to-face conversation when she finds out hubby's still alive. surprise on that one. how about this? some creep is mailing sexually graphic letters to little girls, girls as young as 8. cops say he hunts for kids,

finds their pictures in the newspaper talking gymnasts, swimmers sent out 80 letters over the past ten years. why can't cops nail this person? how many little girls have to open up letters like this from a sicko? taking your calls, as always, 1-877-tell-hln. shoot me an e-mail or text us. start your message with the word "prime." your chance to be heard. welcome this is "prime news" on mike galanos starting with, this what is holding up the investigation into who killed little shaniya davis, her body was found mon day in rural north carolina more heinous her own mom is facing charges of selling the 5-year-old for sex. we wonder as this played out why no murder charges? here's the problem. police don't know where she was killed, don't know when. is that delaying justice? we'll talk about when you look at this little girl, how cute she was, she was a normal 5-year-old, dad says she just

learned to ride her scooter and liked to giggle. her half-brother, byron colman went on the nancy grace show last night as his father tried to console him. >> have they told anybody what was the cause of death, byron? >> i actually haven't heard anything. i don't think my father has, either. we're not really sure too much yet. we're still trying to figure that out now. >> and there is your dad right there. >> yes, ma'am. >> there's injure da-- your dad >> would you please? >> i really do want to thank everybody for the smoert and prayers. i mean, it race does mean a lot. you know,sh is straying strong as hard as wer "trying to. it's hard. for the mothers out there, please don't let this happen to your child. >> we'll take your calls, as als, 1-877-tell-hln. joining me to talk about it

steve cadian -- marlaina, hearing new charges pend against the mom and mario mcneill accused of kidnapping her. >> that's right, mike there. are charges pending right now but police are not saying when these charges are going to come out. we thought we were going to it hear today there would be murder charges. we expected that today. but still, as you said in the open that they're still trying to figure out where she was killed and that's going to determine the jurisdiction for who takes over this case. now, i did speak to mario mcneill's attorney yesterday and he told me he's expecting more charges against mario. he specified what he thought they would be and has absolutely no indication that's happening but said he thinks murder charges will come forth and also thinks he might get hit with some traffic -- human trafficking charges, as well. >> facing kidnapping now? is that it at this point?

>> just first degree kidnapping right now, yes. >> okay. you've hit on a couple of things. let me go to drew, our attorney on this one. drew, this is a big point we want everybody to understand it. so, let's -- we don't know everybody's role yet but if this is all true and mom sold little shaniya as a sex slave and mcneill had a role and she ends up dead how will they end up facing murder charges? >> because of parties to a crime f. one person is involved with another person in the perpetration of a crime and even if it's not foreseeing somebody dies, you're both responsible or the concept of the felony murder that, is if she's just selling sher, which is heinous enough but during the course of that she dies, even if it's unexpected to the mother, she is going to face charges of felony murder. >> okay. let's hit on the other point marlaina brought up. jurisdiction, how long will that hold things up, is it or what's going on behind the scenes while

they figure out? >> they want to do it and do it right n. most states, for example, a kidnapping can be prosecuted in any county in which that kidnapping or that -- the child or the person was kidnapped rode through. this is probably the same case here. however, they want to get their eggs in order and they want to make sure they lay charges and have the strongest case where that child was eventually murdered. >> okay. let's go back to marlaina, at this point mom accused of selling little shaniya as sex as a prostitute and mcneill charged with kidnapping, a murderer out there on the loose s. there anybody else involved? could there be be anybody else involved? tlimplts could be other people involved, mike but police aren't saying that there are. there was some sort of speculation that maybe mcneill could have handed off shaniya to someone after we saw him on that surveillance video in the hotel but no confirmation on that, mike. everybody is just sort of guessing if there were more people involved. we know there were drugs

involved, all around this family. so, that might, you know, play a role here in the people that surrounded this family. could those people be involved but, again, no confirmation. >> let's clear something else up. when you look at mario mcneill, does he have sex crimes in his background, sex offender at all or when we think of possibly him being the person that killed shaniya, is that even on the table right now? >> it's not. >> okay. >> he has probation violations. he has drug charges. an assault on a female but nothing -- no sex crimes and no crimes having to do with children until now. >> so steve kardian, it looks like you hate to use these terms but mario mcneilal possibly the kidnapper slash deliveryman if this plays out the way it is looking for whoever wanted to buy shaniya for whatever they were going to do. >> that is possible, he could be a graduating criminal. he has a previous criminal history. what's to stop with him with

more drug-fueled involvement that wouldn't exaggerate this crime in. >> okay. we'll take a quick break. more coming up. we know that dad had custody of little shaniya but an want net davis, the mom wanted more time with her, shaniya had been with her mom five weeks. was this premed dated, did she have this in her mind all along? we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln.

-- my father, you know, raising her and my father recently gave her -- antoinette a chance to give the mother a second chance to raise her daughter. i mean, because everybody deserves a second chance. >> and there's shaniya's brother

talking about it. what we talked about before the break how dad was raising little shaniya about had antoinette davis pleading with more time with her little girl, with her five week wls this unfolded. we have experts standing by and we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. as we look at this, obviously people wonder was this a premeditated plan and she knew all along as she was pleading for more time this is what she had in mind, is there talk of that as we look at this case? >> they are looking at that. detectives also let on they are also wondering if davis owed mckneell some money and maybe that was the reason this transpired, as well. a lot is flying around right now. in terms of taking care of shaniya, she was getting her life back together according to the father there. are conflicting stories there but, yes, that's the bottom line, she's saying -- he's saying he was giving her a second chance.

>> okay. drew, what about that? i mean, we have to explore that, whether or not there was a premeditated plan. what are you seeing. >> well, if there was a premeditated plan, they would probably go to the issue of human trafficking, which brings me to an issue i think is very important. and that is that you can't take -- you can't discount the fact that law enforcement are probably going to try to get to these folks and determine if there was human trafficking, where she was ultimately going to go? because that's the problem with the issue of child pornography, how do you stop it? where is it taking place, how do you get to it before it even begins. you can rest assured there are going to be intense attempts to have interviews to say, okay, if there was human trafficking, where was she ultimately going to go a very important issue here. >> you're right. this could -- certainly we are focused on little shaniya here getting justice for her but could turn into a very large case and whoever did this to her is the cockroach and could be hundreds behind them --

>> there could be other shaniyas out there and is this a to find out where they are. if this somehow we could get any positive out of this, can these individuals help us find out where maybe there's another child, two children, three, we don't know. >> let's bring back steve before we go. at this point, are you hoping as an investigator that an want net davis and mario mcneill turning on each other that's the way you'll get a wealth of information? >> it's likely one of them did turn on each other before they lawyered up, mike and provided information that led to the whereabouts of her body. >> okay. guys, we have to leave it there. thanks so much. coming up this story we are revise ting you may remember a newlywed accused of hiring a hit man to kill her husband. they went so far, the cops set up this elaborate ruse. this is the crime scene that she comes and thinks husband's dead so these faking the tears, that's what police are saying, anyway. it seems like they have her. we've got new video, her talking

with the undercover cop who she thinks is a hit man saying she's 5,000% sure she wants hubby dead.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. buckle up for this one a newlywed accused of hiring a hit man to kill her husband of six months. remember this wild story from august? let's revisit. undercover policeman pose a hit

man set up an elaborate ruse, fake murder scene. cops call her over and tell her, your husband's dead. here she is going to the crime scene watch her reaction as again she thinks hubby's long gone. >> yeah, right. cops said they had a hard time keeping a straight face during all. this she's denying everything. cops say obviously it's fake. i'll let you be the judge here as we watch. this today we'll show you knewly released video, her talking to the undercover cop who she thought was a hit man, police interrogation tapes and we'll also have the money moment for you, when she's at the police department and there's the husband, a live and well. ah, you got to stick around for that. joining me to talk about this, drew find ling, criminal defense attorney and again steve kardian, former police detective. we'll take your calls, come on,

i know you want in on this one. 1-877-tell-hln's the number. before we dive in, guys, let's watch some of this. she's in a car at a gas station with a person she thinks is a hit man, actually an undercover cop talking about i'm tougher than i look but at the end of the day she wants michael dipilito dead. >> there's no changing. no, there's no -- i'm positive, like 5,000% sure. >> 5,000% sure. drew findling, they've got her 100 ways to sunday. how do you defend her? >> first of all, the law requires 10,000%. i was crying and crying in happiness i'm not defending this case. what's happening here is they have to establish because it is all a ruse, okay. and so, what the state has to establish sb overt acts. what that means, they have to get her to take steps towards the commission of this crime,

otherwise there is no crime. so what happens they get her to exchange money, pictures, that's what they do. i've done these cases before. what she's going to claim is she's going to claim entrapment, you can bet on that, okay. she's going to say, listen, i was just mouthing off to a friend even though she's tried to do it before. i never would have really done this and -- but for the state or law enforcement getting me to take these steps, i would have eventually just chickened out. that's going to be her defense, you can bet on it right now, go to vegas, you'll make a fortune. >> all right. you pointed it out, let's lay it out for everybody. this is the third time she tried to have him killed, tried once with that another hit man, that didn't work out. number two, she tried to put antifreeze in the guy's starbuck's tea and here's number three, police were ready for her. steve, quickly as you watch this, great police work. she walked into every trap, didn't she. >> the boynton police department took heat early on for this because of the sensationalism of it but i said, wow, they must

have a really good case if they are presenting it this way and they do. >> let's watch more, the shot and we'll talk about her crying police say there were no toors actually coming out but lets watch the oscar-winning performance from her. police have said i don't know how you are keeping a straight face at this point knowing what you know. drew, what do you think is going on here with her? i mean, you think she had this all locked and loaded, this was her reaction when it was death day for him, huh? >> well, you know, i'd have to say coupled with the entrapment, i mean, anybody that's going to defend this case based on that video because that's really tough to deal with when you couple that with the fact she's meeting with people, arranging for her husband's assassination and finds out and goes into that. you're going to have to throw a mental evaluation this there. this is just kind of the checklist when you defend a case. they'll get her evaluated and

see whether or not she's just so mentally ill those were sincere tears? if water was actually leaving her eyes. >> you are talking checklist going over this piece by piece. i think we have this video here. this is dalia dippolita taken to the police station. we aren't going to hear it but a back-and-forth between her and police officers questioning her and basically says -- would anybody want your husband dead? would you want him dead and she's like, no, no we're fine. then they bring in the -- again under cover cop who she thinks is a hit man or thought was a hit man and she denies ever knowing this guy. steve, again, it's just one after another against this lady. and they had -- i mean, have you ever seen such an elaborate plan from police? >> no. >> where they had cameras at every turn? is. >> it was pretty well orchestrated by the police department and they got her good and i don't think there's going to be a jury that believes anything that comes out of her

mouth. >> so, why don't you just fess up, drew? and you're good at he owe you know, you are going to fight to the last breath her, so go ahead. >> let me tell you, the defense to this case, as i said it's going to be entrapment, that's what it's going to be. the way you usually defend these cases and will have jurors receptive at what point in time does law enforcement not say we want the high publicity, rather pull her in and say we heard were you talking to a friend about knocking off her husband. why don't you think commonly used called divorce, separate and divorce. does law enforcement have an obligation to try to say, hey, we intervene on domestic violence every day of the week. >> okay. we'll take a quick break. when we come back we'll tick up on that. this has gotten a lot of publicity, what about that? we'll show you the money moment when she's in that interrogation room and looks up and there's her husband. call in if you want in, 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. all right, co-ed college life, a free-for-all? i know you're thinking, yeah, no doubt but a new study is really laying out numbers here for those that live in the co-ed dorm, more booze, more bine drinking where we'll take note, more sex, watching more porn. does it startle you? i want to hear from you, a number that will get you 42% of students in co ed dorms binge drink compared to 18% of someone in an all-guy or all-girl dorm. should we be looking at this seriously? 1-877-tell-hln is the number. now this one, some creep is

sending young girls sexually explicit letters in the mail and cops say this person picks his victims straight from articles in the newspaper, gymnasts, dancers, swimmers sees the photo and girls between 8 and 14, i couldn't imagine your child, so young so, excited to have their picture in the paper a this is the fallout. they get some filth in the mailbox. police say this has happened over the past ten years in several states, mostly in arizona. cops even have his dna from envelopes. so, why is it so hard to catch this pervert? now, you know parents are concerned. >> it's scary because you think, great, there's a pedophile that can easily track down your kids and he can find out where your kids live so that's unnerving. >> it could be a teacher, it could be a coach. it could be your next door neighborho neighbor and makes it so scary. >> well put there. we'll take your calls 1-877-tell-hln. joining us eric english reporter from our affiliate knxv in

phoenix and clay watson psychologist and joining us sergeant darren birch with the phoenix police department. darren, darren, we know some of the details. why so hard to catch whoever is doing this? >> what's difficult about this situation is that there is no actual contact with the suspect so there's no description. basically, what we're trying to do is get o ut a description of his behavior and those traits which make him somewhat unique kind of like the unabomber situation where we knew what he was doing but we didn't know what he looked like so trying to find out information about what his real for lack of a word profile, those specific traits, the fact he is very articulate, the fact that is he is an avid letter writer and the fact he proofreads work with correction symbols. it is absolutely difficult to

find him and evidence to prosecute but don't have him because his dna hasn't matched anything out there. >> and he uses the term "lovebud" how important could something like that be? i guess at that point you are looking for somehow some way someone using that term and it comes to light for you guys, right? >> you're exactly right. and i hate using this unabomber scenario but the same scenario we hope something a unique phrase may ring a bell with someone maybe not that phrase in and of itself. but, when you add of that phrase, the totality of information, this individual is absolutely fixated with young children and events that would depict young children in like situations where their legs are exposed like swimming, a beauty pageant, things like that and couple the fact the guy is an avid letter writer and uses terms like, for example, "lovebud" and the hope the totality of information will hit home with somebody and think, god that sounds like

what's-his-name weird and sits at home and writes letters all day long. >> a break. one more to you sergeant. this has gone on for ten years y. is it going public now? did something change, become more threatening are, you feel good to get in the public eye. >> really what changed is just the focus that we've exhausted all our leads. you know, in the early stages, we didn't have dna, then you get the dna, it's not that he's getting -- not that he's escalating. the letters in and of themselves is what motivates this -- this sexual deviant. the fantasy of the letter writing, the idea of picturing these kids opening the letters and all 80 cases of decade's worth of crime at no time has there been a physical component so like the voyeur is tick peeping-tom. not that he is going to escalate. some do, some don't. i think this animal really isn't that type. this isn't what trips his trigger, unfortunately. >> let's bring in eric english on this. i think a lot of people wonder,

have the kids opened these letters or hopefully the parents have opened and have screened the kids. what do we know about that? >> well, i think it's happened in both situations where the kids open the letters and then they notify their parents they've been hit with this obscene material. >> let's get clair in on that. clay, as a parent how do you help a child through that who may have read a little bit of this unspeakable what could be coming at them. >> oh, well, it's tricky. you know, first of all, what we say in psychiatry is that a person like this is a person who has a parafhilia, abnormal sexual urges or sexual behaviors and they carry them out to get sexual gratification. for this particular individual it may be the act of writing the letters, mailing it, then imagining, fantasizing about the child opening it, the shock on that child's face or the parents

opening it, the shock on their faces. and that in itself may be enough for that person to reach a climax. in terms of what parents should be trying to do is it's going to be difficult but especially if they're young really trying to explain to the child that there are bad people out there, that they're safe and that, if anyone everyone makes contact with them that they should tell their parents immediately. >> yeah, exactly. we'll take a quick break. more on this coming up as we take a look and we'll -- we have good facebook questions is this guy likely to strike, very methodical in his actions. we'll take your calls, as well, 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln continuing our conversation some sicko out there writing sexually explicit letters to young girls has been doing it ten years mostly in arizona but other states, as well. 80 letters in all. hopefully authorities are getting closer. let's get a facebook comment on this jodi writing these actions seem to me from a very patient and thor error person because it isn't easy to find a minor's address. if i were these parents i would want fwok very tight-knit to protect these children as a group. ba how parents in the jis nas ticks/dancing world dealing with this? >> parents are genuinely concerned. this guy is seeing published media reports whether a picture

in the paper then seeking these girls out and that's genuinely scary to parents, he's going through records and finding their addresses and then sending these articles. >> to pick up on the point from jodi on facebook, sergeant darren burch, she's write, talking about a patient methodical person but nothing's telling you this person is actually going to strike and go out and actually physically confront or do something to one of these young girls. >> that's correct. he's definitely, in our opinion, educated. again he's using these correction symbols much like a journalism proofreader for professional writers and what we're seeing is with the sexual behavior he's fantasizing about these letters, se proofreading, reading them over and over and over and we're not seeing escalation. again some do escalate, some don't. this may be just, you know, this desire and into the writing

itself. it won't necessarily escalate. after ten years, i think we have evidence to kind of suggest it's not going to. >> clay, do you concur with that? do you think this guy or girl, we don't know. we're conjecturing it's a guy, would have done something by now? >> well, first i think that you're right about assuming it's a guy in a sense because the vast majority of folks with paraphilia happen to be male. so you're okay there. in terms of escalating he may escalate in a number of ways, in the number or terms of frequency of the letters. but, may not necessarily go forward with physical contact. >> a couple calls, paul from texas is with us. paul go, ahead. >> caller: i was wondering if this person's done this the last ten years how come they haven't been able to catch him? they said there's dna and everything but how they've not been able to catch them. two, is -- is he mailing straight to the person's house or doing it through the post

office? if he's going it through the post office, why ain't they been able -- how are they going to be able to mail them with no written address. >> anybody correct me. sergeant burch from what i got mailing straight to the house and devious in the way he sees a picture in the newspaper finds out a neighborhood somehow gets the name and that's the way the letters are going. as far as your challenge, the dna, i'm sure you're trying to match it with some sort of database and have come up empty, right, sergeant. >> the situation we have we actually had his dna and sufficient evidence to prosecute the case but we don't have the name to join up with that dna. the dna does not match anything in codis, a combined dna index system, database. no, he's not in that system. and what is more problematic the way the postal system works and operates, the hub in phoenix is a huge hub so whatever you mail your letter could be flagstaff could well end up with a address

of phoenix. he could be going anywhere in the valley. >> well put. couple facebook comments real quick, assuming things up from sandy that's scary if someone would go that far to locate a child, what else would they do, this from tara, wow, can't even let our kids check the mail nor have recognition in the newspaper. very well put. all right. eric, sergeant burch, thank you so much. good luck, sergeant n. nailing this guy, this sicko doing this and clay good talking to you, as well. i know he are sticking around for this one. a new study says college kids who live in co ed dorms more likely to drink and have sex. okay. swap obvious but the numbers talking about binge drinking really rise here and bin binge drinking's dangerous. let's be honest. we'll take your calls on this, your thoughts. what should we do about this? what should we do about these numbers? call in, 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. all right, parents, comforts table with your kids going off to college ending up in the co ed dorm, think that's a good thing. a new study with startling numbers co ed life is a free-for-all. here are numbers, students who live in the same co-ed dorm, opposite sex are more likely to binge drink and more likely to have casual sex, watch the porn. what do you think? call in on this one. should we be splitting up the guys and the girls? is that the way to go to stop some of the boozing and reckless sex out there? call in, 1-877-tell-hln's the phone number. joining us to talk about it welcome back sticking around with us dr. clay watson, psychologist, father of a college student. kind of a nervous laugh from clay as we go over these numbers. >> i hate to admit it.

>> ann taylor with us as well sex educator and co-author of "sex, how to do everything" quite a title that'll get your attention. clay, starting with you people will look at these numbers and go, yeah, kids go to college they'll drink and have sex but what catches your attention? what gets me is number one the binge drinking that leads to dangerous stuff but go ahead, your thoughts. >> absolutely. there are a few things. the first piece of it you have these kids going off away from their families and trying to manage their brand new adult life with new freedoms and what you throw into the mix is this new piece to juggle and that is living with the opposite sex. and, you know, when you're talking about this sort of situation, what really happens is you have an increase in peer pressure, right, because the kids want to appear in the best light they can when the opposite sex happens to be around. there's easy access now, in terms of one another and sex and so, the other piece is less

parental monitoring. with all that put together then you want to say, okay, i have peer pressure, you know, to fit in also want to do what other people are doing then alcohol plays a role. >> there you go. >> so this is a dangerous sort of combination, i can see how it happens easily. >> okay. let's get anne taylor in on this. clay makes some good points. i think one easy access one you think of when guys and girls are living together in the dorms there. your thoughts on this. >> well, you know, first of all, i'd like to see a study done on this before i would say that every dorm in america should be single-sexed. i'm not 100% convinced these results aren't a result of who would choose to be in a single-sex dorm. i remember my time in college and the single-sex dorms were quieter in large part because of the kinds of person who would choose to be there they wanted a bit of a buffer zone between them and the hook-up culture on campus, the drinking culture on

campus but i can also see that the -- you don't have any respite from that culture in the co ed dorm, no down time even to take a shower in, you know, the shared bathrooms rife with should i put makeup on i'm worried who i might bump, into never any down time from it. >> excellent point there. i think both of you are making some good points that. is as we look at this we don't want to be knee-jerk about this but want to look when you see things like obviously the big number on binge drinking also what we're talking about here, clay, easy access, em, you are talking about making sure you are gus seed up to walk to the showers here. you know, and when we talk about risky sexual behavior you are seeing those in the co-ed dorms more likely think it's all right for a couple people just to hook up, nothing expected beyond that. you know, more partners, more casual sex, and all that. clay, have we turned a blind eye to this in a sense and just

said, you know, that's college life? that's that. or should we look at this and say, you know what, seeds of alcoholism, sexual addiction could be being planted here and >> this is an important study to at least review and see whether or not this is a good study. for a couple of things, one is, if you have students who are genetically predisposed to addiction, then this is a bad setup for them. and they could have long-term problems later on in life with addiction as a result. we don't know that. and it would be nice to see. another study i would be interested in seeing is if there is an increase in the number of date rapes reported in these situations. where you have social bound rils, and obstacles sort of eroding, and becoming blurry, whether or not kids who are impulsive and then you have alcohol on top of it, presents a situation where, you know, there's potential for date rape. it's an important issue. >> let me stay with you, clay. you have a son in college but does not live in the dorm, is

that correct? >> yeah, thankfully. >> again the nervous laugh. what did you tell him? okay, college life is college life, there's going to be opportunity to do some things. what do you tell him? >> absolutely. well, you do the best you can as a parent. that's what i did. i tried to tell him all the things that i wouldn't do if i were him. and i hope i did the right thing when i was there. and luckily, you know, he's at home so i can talk to him constantly. these kids may not have that sort of constant parental guidance in their ear to sort of keep them out of trouble. >> that's so important, that conversation, and that communication with our kids going into college and through those college years as well. we're going to take a quick break. more with clay and em. we want to hear from you. what should we do with these numbers? should we take action? is this what you would expect in? call in 1-877-tell-hln.

look at this woman here. accused of hiring a hit on her husband. there you're seeing her with the crocodile tears with police, that's on the left. cops say it was all a fake, that she actually tried to kill him three times. this was the last time when she finally got nabbed. they staged the fake crime scene as you saw, the sirens, yellow tape, the whole thing a ruse, a charade. we're getting new video coming in showing this woman in a car, with the undercover cop, the guy was posing as a hit man. and she says she's 5,000% sure she wants hubby dead. i think they got her. some creep mailing sexually graphic letters to little girls

as young as 8. he hunts for these kids finding their pictures in newspapers. gymnasts, swimmers, sent out 80 letters. over the past ten years. why can't cops find him? how many more little girls are going to have to open up this garbage from a sicko? taking your calls as always, 1-877-tell-hln. shoot me an e-mail, cnn.com/primenews. or text us at hlntv, just start your message with the word prime. it's your chance to be heard. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com this is hour number two of "prime news." i'm mike galanos. this story of shaniya davis, what is holding up this investigation. the girl's body was found on monday in rural north carolina. even more heinous, we know this, her own mom already facing charges of trying to sell her 5-year-old for sex. so why no murder charges at this point? here's the problem the way we gather. police do not know where she was killed, don't know when. so that could lead to

jurisdiction issues, maybe delaying justice. we'll get to the bottom of that. and take a look at that. what a cute little girl. and being described as just the normal 5-year-old. dad says she just learned to ride her scooter. she liked to giggle. her half-brother, byron coleman, op the "nancy grace" show last night, and cad came up to try to console him. >> have they told anybody what was the cause of death, byron? >> actually, i haven't heard anything. i don't think my father has either. we're not really sure too much yet. we're still trying to figure it out now. so -- >> there's your dad right there. >> yes, ma'am. >> there's your dad. >> we really do want to thank everybody for the support and prayers. it really does mean a lot. you know, we're trying to stay as strong as we're trying to. it's hard. but for the mothers out there,

please don't let this happen to your child. >> touching scene there. we're taking your calls, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. joining us, welcome back steve kardian, former police detective. also with us, clay watson, forensic psychologist. and michelle si goena, we welcome her back as well, investigative journalist. michelle's been doing a great job covering this. all right. let me go to steve kardian on this first off, steve. i want to pick up on nancy's question there, in the sense of finding out more details. and also this whole issue of a delayed investigation. what do you see? because we see this from a distance and go, why not charges? why not more charges now? what's going on behind the scenes? >> well, mike, they have both of the perpetrators in custody. they're not going anywhere. and they want to rule out the jurisdictional issues. kidnapping and murder, the criminal procedure law in most states will allow for any child that was taken from one county to another to be prosecuted in either county, or if a person

was killed in one county and found in another, it could be either/or jurisdiction thesmt want to get it right. they want to make sure they've got everything in order and prosecute the appropriate. >> let's get a call in. anthony is with us in ohio. anthony, go ahead. >> caller: hi. thank you. one of the things i was curious about is the man that they filmed carrying the child, they're charging him with kidnapping, but if the mother gave the child up, and he took it willingly, is that still kidnapping? >> good question there. let's get steve kardian in on that front. steve, i would think -- well, good question. if this was all part of a plan, the way it's laying out, if the mom is selling little shaniya for sex and mario could be the deliveryman. actually he could be facing murder charges at the end of the day. >> he could also face murder charges. i don't think there's going to be any affirmative defense he had permission to take that

child to another jurisdiction, and presumably have that child put into the sex traffic trade. >> let's get michelle sigona in. do we know anything more, michelle, about what happened as we try and piece things together ourselves? are authorities saying anything about who did what and when? >> what's interesting is that we were supposed to see more charges come out today, mike. but as you know, investigators are delaying that for some reason. it could be that they're waiting for the autopsy results to come back. it could be that they're trying to figure out the jurisdiction issues, like you mentioned. so there's a series of things i think with their time line and with the evidence. investigators are being very careful, because as they move forward with these charges, and into the courtroom, they need to be able to have everything lined up properly so it sticks. it sticks to the wall when they throw it out. so that's a really good important point in all of this. secondly, i do want to mention, that this is -- you may have mentioned this in your 5:00 hour -- the second time bradley

has gone through a murder in his life with someone that he loves. his wife, back in 1998, was murdered. and that would be the mother of his three children who are now staying with their mother's father. her mother's father would be byron coleman, who i spoke with earlier today and had a very long conversation with. >> we saw it on the "nancy grace" show. so heartbreaking for bradley. >> it is. very sad. >> doing a great job with shaniya. but was too trusting, is the way it looks, in mom, antoinette davis in all this. the more on this coming up. we're also going to look at the possibility that mom had premeditated this plan all along to sell that cute little girl for sex.

and you said none of the doors were open? >> no, but she knows how to unlock the door. >> you said it was around 5:30? >> yes, ma'am. >> okay. have you checked the neighborhood? >> i checked everywhere. i haven't checked the back end of the neighborhood yet, but i checked the front end. i don't know what else to do. >> the 911 call from antoinette davis, the mother of shaniya davis when she went missing on that tuesday morning. very early that morning. let's bring in clay watson. clay, allegedly she's lying through her teeth there. how can you pull that off? i'm not sure my viewers agree, how do you come to that place when you're a mom and you're accused of what you're accused of and just call 911 and play

along? >> it's unimaginable. especially when we think about the bond between a mother and a child. it's one of the strongest relationships that we have with one another as human beings. that a mom could sit there and do that, it shows that this mom may have some serious issues with attachment with that daughter. i understand that the father really, with the primary caretaker of this child. but once a crime has been committed, then the juices start flowing, and then a story has to come up. and then a role is taken and you play that role out until the end. >> clay, let me stay with you here as we look at this. and i'm sure a lot of people wonder, was this a premeditated plan all along. dad had custody, was doing a good job with shaniya and gave antoinette davis a chance to spend more time with her. she had been with her about five weeks. do you think it was premeditated to do this all along to get money and put her daughter in harm's way? >> the way that it's been

reported, it certainly sounds that way. but i don't know if we'll ever know the answer to that actually. >> steve, from what -- what are you reading on that front? do you think that's the plan? or do you think maybe two, three weeks ago she owed money to somebody and this was her way to get money? >> i think that at some point, mike, she became so desperate to fuel the need for her drug habit, if you will, and i believe that's going to be the case, that she became very desperate. and many times we see it's mental illness, it's drugs that make that maternal instinct eliminated. >> let's get a call in. veronica is with us in ill know. veronica, go ahead. >> caller: hi. one of the things that i wanted to say is that i really believe that this was all planned. she planned to get her child to sell for the drugs. because one of the things i want to explain is i am an ex-drug user. i stopped using drugs because of

my kids. it varies in a drug person, the person that uses drugs, where they go with the drugs. is this what they want to do, are they comfortable doing this. i stopped using drugs 15 years ago. because i didn't want my kids to be out and people calling them and telling them their mother was a drug addict. i was not a cocaine user, i was a heroin user as well. >> nice job. congratulations on that front to do that for your kids. we've been talking about that, whether or not it was planned, how desperate someone could be. let's get michelle sigona in on this. was this a money grab? a desperation as we're talking? is that what we believe? >> that's what a lot of folks are saying. that's what a lot of reports out are saying. unfortunately we have not heard from antoinette davis, so we don't know the truth in that matter. again, she is innocent until proven guilty. these are just charges that have come forward on her about her daughter. now, having said that, if there were some problems, allegedly

with drug use or anything of that matter, that could definitely be the reason why she possibly sold her child. >> guys, we have to leave it there. thanks so much. of trying to have her husband killed.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. buckle up for this one. a newlywed accused of trying to hire a hit man to kill her husband of six months.

undercover policeman sets up a ruse. cops call her over and tell her your husband's dead. here she is going to the crime scene. watch her reaction as she thinks hubby's long gone. yeah, right. cops, they said they had a hard time keeping a straight face through all this. she's denying everything. cops say obviously it's fake. i'll let you be the judge here as we watch this. and today we're going to show you newly released video, her talking to the undercover cop, who she thought was a hit man. police interrogation tapes. we'll also have the money moment for you when she's at the police department and there's the husband, alive and well. you've got to stick around for that. joining me to talk about this, drew findling, criminal defense attorney. also with us, steve kardian, former police detective. we'll take your calls, i know you want in on this one,

1-877-tell-hln is the number. guys, before we dive in, let's watch some of this here. this is dahlia in a car at a gas station with a person she thinks is a hit man. it's actually an undercover cop. she's talking about i'm tougher than i look, and they're having this back and forth. but at the end of the day she's adamant she wants mike dead. let's watch. >> $5,000% sure. drew findling, they've got her 100 ways to sunday. how do you defend her? >> the lou requires 5,000%. i was crying out of happiness i'm not defending this case. but what's happening here is, they have to establish, because it is all a ruse, okay? what the state has to establish is overt acts. ha that means is they have to get her to take steps towards the commission of this crime.

otherwise there is no crime. and so what happens is, they get her to exchange money, pictures, that's what they do. i've done these cases before. what she's going to claim is she's going to claim entrapment. you can bet on that, okay? she's going to say, listen, i was just mouthing off to a friend, even though she's tried to do it before. i never would have really done this. and but for the state, or law enforcement getting me to take these steps. i would have eventually just chickened out. that's going to be her defense. you can bet on it right now. you'll make a fortune. >> you pointed it out, let's lay it out for everybody. this is the third time that she tried to have him killed. tried once with another hit man. that didn't work out. number two, she tried to put antifreeze in the guy's starbucks tea. here's number three, where police were ready for her. steve, real quick, as you watch this, great police work. she walked into every trap, didn't she? >> yeah. the boyton police department took the heat for this because of the sensationalism because of it. but i thought they must have a

pretty good case if they're presenting it the way they do. and they do. >> we'll talk about it. her crying, police say there were no tears actually coming out. but let's watch her, the oscar-winning performance from dahlia. >> no, no! no! >> police said, i don't know how you keep a straight face at this point knowing what they know. drew, what do you think is going on with her? you think she had this all locked and loaded? this was her reaction when it was death day for mike? >> well, you know, i'd have to say coupled with the entrapment. anybody that's going to defend this case based on that video, because that's really tough to deal with when you couple that with the fact that she's meeting with people, arranging for her husband's assassination, and then finds out and goes into that, you're going to have to throw a mental evaluation into there. this is a checklist in

evaluating this case. they'll see whether or not she's mentally ill, that those were sincere tears, if water was actually leaving her eyes. >> you're talking checklists. we're going over this piece by piece. i think we have this video here. this is dalia as she's taken to the police station. it's back and forth between her and the police officers questioning her. basically says, you wouldn't want to know -- would anybody want your husband dead. would you want him dead? she's like, no, no, we're fine. then they bring in the -- again, undercover cop who she thinks is a hit man, or thought was a hit man and she denies ever knowing this guy. steve, again, it's just one after another against this lady. and they had it -- i mean, have you ever seen such an elaborate plan from police where they had cameras at every turn? >> it was pretty well orchestrated by the police department. they got her good. and i don't think there's going to be a jury that believes anything that comes out of her

mouth. >> so why don't you just fess up, drew? you're good at -- you know, you're going to fight to the last breath here. go ahead. >> let me tell you, the defense to this case, as i said, it's going to be entrapment. that's what it's going to be. the way you usually defend these cases, and you will have jurors that are receptive, at one point in time does law enforcement say, we want the high publicity of this case, rather than pull her in and say we heard you were talking about knocking off your husband. why don't you try a thing commonly used called divorce, separate and divorce. does law enforcement have an obligation to say, hey, we intervene on domestic violence every day of the week. >> we'll take a quick break. we'll pick up on that. it's gotten a lot of publicity. we're also going to show you the money moment when she's in that interrogation room and she looks up and there's her husband. call in if you want in, 1-877-tell-hln. %%%%%%%%%

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. all right. co-ed college life, a free-for-all? well, i know you're thinking, yeah. but a new study is laying out numbers here. for those that live in the co-ed dorm, more booze, more binge drinking. that's where we're going to take note here. more sex. they're watching more porn. does it startle you? i want to hear from you. here's a number that will get you, 42% of students in co-ed dorms binge drink compared to just 18% of someone who lives in an all-guy or all-girl dorm. what do you think of these findings? call in. 1-877-tell-hln is the number. now this one. some creep is sending young girls sexually explicit letters in the mail. and cops say this person picks

his victims straight from articles in the newspaper. gymnasts, dancers, swimmers, sees the photo, and these are girls between 8 and 14. i couldn't imagine your child, so young, so excited to have their picture in the paper and then this is the fallout, to get some filth in the mailbox. police say this has happened over the past ten years. it's happened in several states. mostly in arizona. now, cops even have his dna from envelopes. so why is it so hard to catch this pervert? now, you know parents are concerned. >> scary, because you think, okay, there's a pedophile that can easily track down their kids, and he can find out where your kids live. so that's unnerving. it could be a teacher. it could be a coach. it could be your next door neighbor. that's what makes it so scary. >> well put there. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. joining us to talk about it, eric english from knxv there in phoenix.

we welcome back clay watson, psychologist. joining us, sergeant darren birch with the phoenix police department. darren, we see this, we know some of the details. a few of them anyway. it's happened over ten years. have dna. why so hard to catch whoever's doing this? >> what's difficult about this situation is that there is no actual contact with the suspects, or no description. basically what we're trying to do is get a description of his behavior, and those traits which make him somewhat unique. reminds kind of like the unabomber situation where we knew what he was doing, but we didn't know what he looked like. we're trying to put out information about what his, for lack of a better word, is his profile. those specific traits, the fact that he was very articulate, the fact that he's an avid letter writer. the fact that he proof reads these works with the correction symbols. that's what we're trying to put out. because it's absolutely difficult to find him. we have his dna, the evidence to

prosecute him, but don't have him because his dna hasn't matched anything out there. >> he uses the term love bud. how important can something like that be? i guess at that point you're looking for some -- someone using that term and it comes to light for you guys, right? >> you're exactly right. i hate using this unabomber scenario, but we're hoping that a unique phrase may ring a bell with someone. maybe not that phrase in and of itself, but when you add that phrase to the totality of information, this individual is absolutely fixated with young children and depicts young children in like situations where their legs are exposed. like swimming, a beauty pageant, things like that. then you couple the fact that the guy is an avid letter writer and uses terms like, for example, love bud. the totality of information we're hoping will hit home with somebody and think, that sounds like what's-his-name who writers

letters all day long. >> sergeant, this has been going on for ten years. why is it going public now? did something change, become more threatening? you felt this was good to get this out in the public eye? >> really what changed is the focus we've exhausted all our leads. in the early stages we didn't have dna. you get the dna. it's not that he's getting -- not that he's escalating. the letters in and of themselves is what motivates this sexual deviant. the fantasy of the letter writing, the idea of pictures these kids opening these letters. in all these cases of decades worth of crime, at no time has there ever been a physical component. almost like the voyeuristic peeping tom. not that he's necessarily going to escalate. some do, some don't. i don't think this animal is this type. this is what trips his trigger unfortunately. >> let's bring in eric english on this. i think a lot of people wonder,

have the kids opened these letters, or hopefully the parents have opened and have screened the kids? what do we know about that? >> well, i think it's happening in both situations where the kids open the letters and then they notify their parents that they've been hit with this obscene material. >> let's get clay in on that. clay, as a parent, how do you help a child through that who may have read a little bit of this -- unspeakable, what could be coming at them? >> it's tricky. you know, first of all, what we say in psychiatry is that a person like this is a person who has a paraphilia, a person who has abnormal sexual urges or behaviors and they carry them out to get sexual gratification. for this particular individual, it may be the act of writing the letters, mailing it, and then imagining, fantasizing about the child opening it, the shock on that child's face, or the parents opening it, the shock on their faces.

and that in itself may be enough for that person to reach a climax. in terms of what parents should be trying to do is it's going to be difficult. but especially if they're young, really trying to explain to the child that there are bad people out there, that they're safe, and that if anyone ever makes contact with them, that they should tell their parents immediately. >> exactly. we're going to take a quick break. more on this coming up. as we take a look, and we'll -- we have facebook questions. is this guy likely to strike. very methodical in his actions. we'll take your calls as well, 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. continuing our conversation of some sicko out there writing sexually explicit letters to young girls. been doing it for ten years, mostly in arizona, but some other states as well. 80 letters in all. hopefully authorities are getting closer. let's get a facebook comment in on this. jody writing this. these actions seem to me to be from a very patient and thorough person because it isn't easy to find a minor's address. if i were these parents i would want to become tight-knit to protect these children as a group. eric english is covering this. how are parents in the gymnastics, dancing world dealing with this? >> well, parents are genuinely concerned. you know, this guy is seeing published media reports, whether it's a picture in the paper and seeking these girls out.

that's what's genuinely scary to parents is he's going through records and finding their addresses and then sending these articles. >> to pick up on the point from jody on facebook. sergeant darren burch, you know, jody's right. we're talking about a patient, medical person. but nothing's telling you this person is actually going to strike and actually go out and physically confront or do something to one of these young girls. >> that's correct. he's definitely, in our opinion, educated. again, he's using these correction symbols much like a journalism proofreader for professional writers. what we're seeing with the behavior is he's fantasizing about these letters. he's proofreading them and reading them over and over. we're not seeing an escalation. some do escalate, some don't. this may be just this desire into writing himself. it won't necessarily escalate. after ten years, i think we have

evidence to kind of suggest it's not going to. >> got you. clay, do you concur with that? do you think this guy or girl, we don't really know, we're conjecturing it's a guy, would have done something by now? >> first, i think you're right about assuming it's a guy in a sense, because the vast majority of folks with parafhilia are guys. he may escalate in a number of ways. he may escalate in terms of the frequent sieve of the letters, but may not necessarily go forward with physical contact. >> let's get a couple calls in. paul from texas is with us. paul, go ahead. >> caller: i was just wondering if this person has done this for the last ten years, how come they haven't been able to catch him? you said there's dna and everything. but how come they haven't been able to catch him? are they mailing it straight to the person's house or doing it through the post office? if he did it through the post office, why ain't they been able

to -- how is he able to mail them if there's no written address? >> anybody correct me. sergeant burch, i understand he's mailing it straight to the house. sees a picture in the newspaper and gets the name and that's the way the letters are going. as far as your challenge, the dna, i'm sure you're troig to match it with some sort of data base and have come up empty, right, sergeant? >> the situation we have is we actually have his dna and sufficient evidence to prosecute the case. what we don't have is a name to join up with that dna. the dna does not match anything in the codas, the data base. and no, he's not in that system. and what's more problematic is the way the postal service works and operates, the hub in phoenix is a huge hub. so from anywhere you mail your letter, it could end up with a postmark of phoenix. it's conjecture he's sending the

letters from his home. it could be anywhere in the valley. >> a couple of facebook comments. this from sandy. that's scary. if someone would go that far to locate a child, what else would they do. this one from tara. wow, can't even let our kids check the mail nor have recognition in the newspaper. very well put. all right. eric, sergeant burch, thank you so much. good luck, sergeant, in nailing this guy, this sicko who's doing this. clay, always good talking to you. i know you're sticking around for this next one. a enough study says college kids who live in co-ed dorms more likely to drink and have sex. somewhat obvious. but the numbers when you talk about binge drinking really rise here. and binge drinking is dangerous. let's be honest. we'll take your calls on this. your thoughts. what should we do about this?

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. parents, but comfortable with your kids going off to college, ending up in the co-ed dorm? a new study laying out startling numbers that co-ed life is a free-for-all. students who live in the co-ed dorm, opposite sex, they're more likely to binge drink, 42% compared to 18%. more likely to have casual sex. watch the porn. what do you think? call in on this one. should we be splitting up the guys and the girls? is that the way to go? to stop some of the boozing, some of the reckless sex out there? call in, 1-877-tell-hln is the phone number. joining us to talk about it, we welcome back, sticking around with us, dr. clay watson, again, psychiatrist, father of a college student. so clay, kind of a nervous laugh there from clay as we go over these numbers. >> i hate to admit it. >> yeah, right.

em taylor is with us as well, sex educator, co-author of the book "sex, how to do everything." quite a title. that will get your attention. clay, we'll start with you. people look at these numbers and say, yeah, kids are going to go to college and drink and have sex. what catches your attention? what gets me is, number one, the binge drinking. because that leads to dangerous stuff. go ahead, your thoughts. >> absolutely. well, there are a few things. the first piece of it is you have these kids who are going off away from their families and trying to manage their brand-new adult life with new freedoms. you throw into the mix this new piece to juggle, and that is living with the opposite sex. and when you're talking about this sort of situation, what really happens is you have increase in peer pressure, right? because the kids want to appear in the best light they can, when the opposite sex happens to be around. >> sure. >> there's easy access now, in terms of one another, and sex. and so the other piece is less

parental monitoring. with all that put together, then you want to say, okay, i have peer pressure, you know, to fit in. i want to also do what other people are doing. and then alcohol plays a role. >> there you have it. >> this is a sort of dangerous combination. i can see how it happens easily. >> let's get em taylor in on this. clay makes good points, em. i think one easy access is one you think of when guys and girls are living together in the dorms there. your thoughts on this? >> well, you know, first of all, i'd like to see more study done on this before i would say that every dorm in america should be single sex. i'm not convinced that these results aren't simply a result of those who choose to be in a single-sex dorm. i remember my time at college. and the single-sex dorms were quieter. that was in large part because of the kind of person who would choose to be there. they wanted to have a little bit of a buffer zone between them and the hookup culture on campus, the drinking culture on campus.

but i can also see that you don't have any respite from that culture when you're in a co-ed dorm. there's no down time. there's even a trip to take a shower in the shared, you know, bathrooms, it's rife, should i put makeup on? there's never any down time from it. >> excellent point there. you're making good -- both of you are making good points. that as we look at this, we don't want to be knee jerk about it. but we also want to look at this, when you're seeing things like obviously the big number on binge drinking. what we're talking about here, clay, easy access. em, you're talking about making sure you're all gussied up to go to the showers here. when we talk about risky sexual behavior. those in the co-ed dorms thinking it's all right just for a couple people to hook up. nothing expected beyond that. more partners, more casual sex. and all that. clay, have we turned a blind eye to this in the sense and just

said, that's college life? that's that? or should we look at this and say, you know what, seeds of alcoholism, sexual addiction, could be being planted here and we're not doing anything about it? >> this is an important study to at least review and see whether or not this is a good study. for a couple of things, one is if you have students who are genetically predisposed to addiction, then this is a bad setup for them. and they can have long-term problems later on in life with addiction as a result. we don't know that. and it would be nice to see. another study i would be interested in seeing is if there is an increase in the number of date rapes reported in these situations. where you have social boundaries and obstacles sort of eroding and becoming blurry, whether or not kids who are impulsive and then you have alcohol on top of it, presents a situation where there's a potential for date rape. it's an important issue. >> let me stay with you, clay. you have a son in college but

does not live in the dorm? >> yes, thankfully. >> again, the nervous laugh. college life, is still college life. there's going to be some opportunity to do some things. >> absolutely. >> what do you tell him? >> you do the best you can as a parent. that's what i did. i tried to tell him all the things that i wouldn't do if i were him. and i hope i did the right thing when i was there. and luckily, he's at home, so i can talk to him constantly. these kids may not have that sort of constant parental guidance in their ear to sort of keep them out of trouble. >> yeah. that's so important, that conversation and that communication with our kids going into college and through those college years as well. we're going to take a quick break. more with clay and em, and we want to hear from you, what should we do with these numbers? surprise you? should we take action? is this what you would expect? call in 1-877-tell-hln.

tonight, sickening twists and turns in the murder of shaniya davis, this beautiful little angel was allegedly sold into prostitution by her own mother. tonight, disturbing new claims that a family friend actually warned shaniya's father not to allow this little girl to live with her mom. and there's allegations that this woman was using drugs and claims there were signs of abuse on shaniya's little arms, after a previous visit. did shaniya's dad know about these alleged proks? cutting in line leads to racial divides. outrage, controversy and charges of racism. ripping through a small motown. it all started when a woman was accused of jumping the line at

walmart. an african-american high schoolteacher claims she was brutalized by police and mistreated by employees because of the color of her skin. but cops say she was belligerent and assaulted an officer. now she's facing 15 years in prison. the case has sparked a face-off between the naacp and the kkk. with all the murders and horrific crimes we talk about every day, is this really the kind of case we need to be prosecuting? plus, toxic secrets of a soccer mom, diane schuler was boozed up and high on pot when she drove the wrong way on a new york highway. eight people were killed. now an explosive new article in new york magazine goes inside her marriage. her husband continues to defend her against accusations that she was reckless, and a regular drug user. is he putting his wife up on a shrine? did he miss the warning signs of addiction? or is this all a giant and deadly case of denial? "issues" starts now. tonight, horrifying claims

that 5-year-old shaniya davis who cops say was sold into prostitution, 5 years old, had previously been abused. and there's accusations her mother was a known drug user. shaniya's lifeless body was discovered a week after she was last seen on surveillance video with her alleged kidnapper, mario mcneill. tonight just when you thought this case couldn't get any sicker, the man who takes care of shaniya's half-sister is speaking out, tim allen says he warned shaniya's dad not to send the 5-year-old to live with her biological mother, antoinette davis. antoinette, as the world now knows, is charged with selling her daughter into sexual servitude. tim allen added this charge to the list of vial acts in antoinette's home. >> boyfriend, and his friends, or whatever, would put the cigarettes out on the baby's arms. >> what? he's claiming they snuffed out their cigarettes on this baby's

flesh? did anyone else see the alleged marks? you would think they would be hard to miss. tim allen believes the father shares some of the blame for the child's death by allowing the girl to live with his troubled mom. the explosive allegations do not stop there. shaniya's 17-year-old half-sister says the mom, antoinette davis, smoked pot in the home and she suspects she did cocaine. all this, and still no murder charge. why not? and why aren't cops telling us more about when shaniya left that hotel at 7:30 in the morning? that's the last time she was seen alive. where is the video of that? is there somebody else involved? meantime, an extraordinary and dramatic moment last night on hln, "nancy grace," interviewed shaniya's half brother, byron. >> have they told anybody what was the cause of death, byron? >> actually, i haven't heard anything. i don't think my father has either. we're not really sure too much yet.

we're still trying to figure that out now. so -- >> and there is your dad right there. >> yes, ma'am. >> there's your dad. >> wow. shaniya's devastated dad, wracked with grief and perhaps even feeling some guilt. and there is this, shaniya's 25-year-old mother, an accused human trafficker, and suspected druggie, is pregnant again, as she sits behind bars. tonight's big issue, breaking the cycle. it is up to us to take action to stop abuse from being handed down generation to generation. we have to learn something from these horror stories, or we are part of the problem. i can't talk about it anymore. and just talk about the details of the crime without talking about a solution, what's your solution? give me a call. the number, 1-877-586-7297. straight out to my fantastic expert panel, lisa bloom, cnn legal analyst.

we're delighted to have brian monroe, visiting professor, northwestern university madill school of journalism. and ken sealy, author of "face it and fix it," as well as tom ruskin former nypd investigator. but we begin with michelle sigona. michelle, what is the very latest? >> the very latest, jane, is more charges were supposed to come down today from investigators. but they're actually waiting until possibly later on this week to figure out which jurisdiction will in fact handle those charges. they're also waiting for the autopsy results to come back from shaniya. she is at the medical examiner's office right now. and they're still trying to piece together this puzzle, because what investigators do know is that when she was last seen one week ago, and that when she was coming out of the hotel in stanford, north carolina, she was alive at that point. so they're trying to put together that time line to figure out who killed her, when she was killed, when her body was dumped, and at what stage it

was found in when it was actually discovered earlier this week. >> now, michelle, quickly, we have video of her being taken into the hotel, allegedly by mario mcneill who is charged with kidnapping. we don't have video of her leaving the hotel. have police say she left the hotel with mcneill or is there a possible third person involved in this horror? >> there could be another person involved. but when i spoke to investigators a few days ago, jane, what they told me is they feel at this point that they have the two main people who are involved. >> then who's in the video? >> i think the stills of the individual kro were released at the time before shaniya's body was found and before shaniya's mother was charged with all these allegations. so they put out a few stills to be able to show the public, look, this is what shaniya looks like. we could have evidence of her being alive. >> very good explanation. thank you for that, michelle. shaniya's half-sister spoke out. tim allen says he warned shaniya's father not to send the

child to live with her mother. allen actually lays the blame for her death on the dad, believe it or not. >> he's 99% the reason why this happened in the first place. >> this man, tim allen, also makes shocking allegations that shaniya was abused when she was living in her mother's home. listen once again. >> the boyfriends, and his friends, or whatever, would put the cigarettes out on the baby's arms. >> all right. it turns out shaniya's greef-stricken dad has in fact a messy back story. according to court records, in addition to shaniya, bradley lockhardt has five other children with three women. wral reports there are disputes, none involving shaniya, interestingly enough. lockhardt suffered another tragedy ten years ago when his wife vickie was violently murdered. vickie's father told the fayetteville reporter said, he knew the kind of environment. i hesitate to bring this up,

lisa bloom, because who wants to blame, or in any way point the finger at a grieving father, a father who has been seen very publicly weeping. he obviously feels terrible. what do you make of these criticisms? >> well, without knowing more, i think it is cold to blame him at a time like this. he's just lost his little daughter. he's clearly grieving. very upset at what happened. what he says is that he was the primary caretaker of his little daughter, and about a month ago he decided that the mother was capable of taking her back. that she had gotten structure in her life, she had gotten a job and he was trusting the mother, gave shaniya back. obviously with horrendous results. but to cast blame on him at a time like this, without more evidence, i think is a little over the line. >> shaniya's half-sister told nancy grace that she knew drugs were present in the home of shaniya's mother, antoinette davis. listen. >> i did know about antoinette using drugs, but i knew of dss

going to her home. but i never knew that somebody told me that she wasn't supposed to have her. so i didn't know of that. i was told that she wasn't supposed to have shaniya, but i did know about, you know, i knew she did drugs and stuff. >> do you know what drugs she was on? it's our understanding it was cocaine. >> yes. i mean, i didn't know for a fact, but i figured that -- but i did know she smoked marijuana. but i've always thought that she did cocaine. >> so yesterday during a news conference, shaniya's dad was asked about that very accusation. listen. >> brad, do you have a reaction to what cheyenne said last night, that you knew that antoinette had some drug problems, there were drugs found in the trailer? you let your daughter go there anyway? >> she was not to talk about that. most of it's speculation, though. >> so let's talk about the big

issue. breaking the cycle. bottom line here, we've got a problem. we have a woman who is accused of committing this unspeakable act against her own daughter. cops say they raided her home, found drugs. they believe she used cocaine and pot. and she's pregnant again. how can we break this cycle? how can we prevent this tragic occurrence from being passed down to the next generation? >> well, unfortunately, jane, there really are no easy answers. we know the grip that drugs have had on all of our cultures, black, white, they have really permeated every fiber of american society. and we've seen, you know, in this very dreadful case, how someone who allegedly was so hooked on drugs, that she was offering her own child -- her own child -- up to others. that is just unconscionable. but jane, i've got to commend you, and your program, for

putting a spotlight on this. too often, particularly in cases of missing black children, and murdered black children, they don't get enough media attention. we see a lot of coverage on the laci petersons and jonbenet ramseys of the world, but putting attention and coverage on a story like this, tragically this child killed, casts attention on it. >> we don't just want to cover the details, we want to look for solutions. we have to have a teaching moment. we'll look for solutions tonight. everyone stay right there. more disturbing details in this case. we're also taking your calls on this, #-877-586-7297. what do you think? plus, a small motown boiling over with racial tensions. the naacp and kkk square up. a woman allegedly jumped the line at walmart. a family searches for answers. who killed little shaniya. why hasn't anyone been charged

with her murder. >> it was crazy when it first happened. nothing is making any sense. nothing is making any sense.

police say that was shaniya's mom, full of you-know-what when she called 911. ken sealy, an expert. police are saying this woman is flying flat out. even though we're hearing this distraught, emotional-filled voice. how does that dovetail with addiction? >> well, jane, what you're seeing here, again, is what we keep reporting on. but i love that you want the solution. because that's what this is really about. is bringing the answers. and yes, the people that watch the behavior and had seen the red flags, they need to be held accountable. because the addicts do what they do. the addict is an addict. they lie, they steal, they cheat. they do bad things. but the people that are healthy

in the addicts' lives need to hold them accountable. they need to be monitored. they need to be put into a program where they're being held accountable, that they're going to their meetings and testing clean. >> let me ask you this. from what i know of addiction, and i'm a recovering alcoholic, but what i know about addiction is, that when somebody is jonesing, their ability to lie increases incrementally. in other words, the more they need the drug, the wilder the lies. >> yes. >> this in fact sounds like an academy award-winning performance. this sounds like a distraust mother. is that how addicts can behave? >> oh, jane, they can -- that's only the tip of the iceberg. they could get themselves out of anything. addicts know how to lie to get their drugs. this is not out of the norm. this is what we see every single day. so this is what the addict does. but the family, the people surrounding the addict, we need

to be held accountable. that's the solution. >> let me just say this. i think we have to be very careful, because we have a grieving father. >> yes. >> and a 20/20 hindsight, what do they say, monday morning quarterbacks, there's a million cliches. it's so easy for us after the fact to say, this guy shouldn't have sent her down there. >> no. >> but a lot of what he says is my heart was in the right place. i had faith and trust that this woman had changed. the one thing we know about addiction, though, is people don't change. if they don't get clean, they have not changed at all. and all their words and their fancy, flowery talk about how much i've pulled my life together means absolutely nothing. it is a crock if they are still using. and it would appear that this woman was using, according to friends. that is the devastated dad there. and the devastated friends and relatives. bertha in connecticut, your question or thought, ma'am? >> caller: hi. a comment.

i got very upset just now when i heard them talking about him, that he -- that he should be to blame for his daughter going down there. he gave the woman another chance, just to be with her daughter. he didn't know she was still addicted and doing all this stuff. do you think he would have sent his daughter down there? that is very upsetting to me. >> jane, can i jump in? because i agree with the caller. and if we're going to talk about solutions, one thing is very important. and that is, if people have any sense that a child is being abused, and that includes a child living with a known drug user, to please call child protective services. if you see a bruise on the arm, if you see somebody lighting up a crack pipe, if you have any sense of this, the lesson from this case is, please call child protective services so we don't have to have another shaniya davis tomorrow. >> i want to mention, jane, that byron coleman, so last night on nancy's show, that was the younger byron, that is one of

bradley's sons, byron coleman is his grandfather -- they were separated at the time -- >> it is hard to keep track of everybody. >> it is. >> and that brings me back, ryan monroe, to the issue of this mother accused of selling her child, also being pregnant. you know, i was thinking about this. when is the last time we ever talked about family planning on television? when did contraceptives and birth control become dirty words? >> thank you, jin. >> nobody talks about it anymore. and a lot of these problems would be solved if we simply had excellent family planning. birth control and contraceptives. and i understand that there is a lot of resistance among a lot of young people to even use condoms. what's up with this? >> well, you know, you're right. in this case we know the father -- i don't know if the father should be blamed for any of this. i don't know any -- >> of course not. >> knowingly putting a kid in this situation. but jane, let me tell you.

if he indeed has, what, five children by multiple women, that's a problem. and that's a problem about responsibility. and it's the responsibility of raising a child, not just bringing a child into this world, but raising it right. >> we're just scratching the surface.

don't give up on shaniya. >> all right. law enforcement sorts out the red tape, we have so many unanswered questions this evening. the chilling surveillance video, time stamped 6:11 in the morning. police say shaniya and her abductor, mario mcneill, seen arriving at the hotel. cops say they believe the child was alive when she left the hotel at 7:30 in the morning. but we have not seen that video. and we also have many unanswered questions. you know, who was shaniya with on her way out? why did mcneill allegedly take her to a hotel in the first

place? is somebody else involved? could that be why cops are waiting to announce murder charges? there have been no murder charges so far. tom ruskin, you're the investigator. why do you think that's the case? >> well, what they're doing is looking to put all the -- dotting the is and crossing the ts. that's why they haven't released the other video. they feel this video may be helpful for people coming forward and giving them information. i believe that the other video will tell us a lot more once that's released. it will probably be released after they make an arrest. >> i guess what i'm not figuring out is, why -- the allegation, michelle sigona, human trafficking, selling this precious 5-year-old for the purposes of sex. mcneill allegedly takes her to a hotel. and then she leaves. but we're not sure who with. why would this man who is supposedly the ex-boyfriend of the mother's sister even need to go to a hotel if he were going

to be the person who was assaulting her himself? he could have done that anywhere. doesn't the whole notion of a hotel raise the specter of a third party? >> it does. that's something investigators are looking into, the fact he could have been possibly the delivery person for someone else. he could have been the middleman. that's why he only has these kidnapping charges against him initially. but i'm sure that, as we see if those charges will come down, possibly tomorrow or possibly friday, then we'll see exactly what's going to stack up against him and also against antoinette. >> also the dna tests on the child as the autopsy is done. >> that's right. >> will reveal a whole lot in terms of was she sexually assaulted, and so, by whom. rita in missouri, your question or thought, ma'am? >> caller: yes, thank you for taking my call, jane. i was listening to lisa saying you need to call child protective services. i wonder if she's ever tried to call child protective services? because i have and they don't do

a thing. at least here in missouri. >> all right. lisa? >> caller: they'll take a report, but i mean, the child -- >> we hear you. i hear what you're saying. good question. lisa, i'm going to give you the last word. >> but you've got to do it. you've got to do it anyway. and you've got to follow up. and you've got to call the police, and you've got to do everything humanly possible. it does take a village to raise a child and it takes all of us to save children who are in jeopardy. imagine being 5-year-old shaniya, her last moments being carried off by this man into a hotel. we know for what purpose. we know what happened to her afterwards. that's why you've got to make the call. that's why you can't give up. >> but i think the caller makes an important point u our system is broeb. it never works. i've never called a government agency and get a response. i either get a busy signal, or this number is not in service. the system is completely broken. and we need to fix it. thank you, fabulous panel. an innocent move in the

checkout line with cries of racism.

cutting in line leads to racial divides. outrage, controversy, and charges of racism ripping through a small motown. and it all started when a woman who's accused of jumping the line at walmart. are you kidding me? plus, toxic secrets of a soccer mom, diane schuler was boozed up and high on pot when she drove the wrong way on a new york highway. eight people were killed. now an explosive new article in new york magazine goes inside her marriage. tonight, a racially charged trial divides a small motown. the and it all started at a walmart checkout line? yes, indeed. now, 24-year-old heather ellis, a preacher's daughter, could

face 15 years in prison. that's 1-5 years in prison. is she a victim of racist police brutality or did she lose her cool and assault a police officer? here is heather's dad. >> this has been a horrific roller coaster. she has her moments. sometimes she wakes up kind of hollering with nightmares. >> the scuffle broke out three long years ago at walmart in missouri. heather says she simply joined her cousin in line. but she was accused of cutting the line. an argument quickly got out of control. police were called to the store. according to the police report, heather threatened an officer saying she would beat his ass. when cops tried to restrain her, she began to swing her arms and fists and kick her feet. that she kicked one of the officers and struck the other officer on the mouth. heather says the report is just plain wrong. she claims the white officers roughed her up while spewing racial slurs at her. the case has stirred up some

pretty nasty racial tensions. >> this is a racist and bigoted town. racism and bigotry is thick in this city. there are skinheads here in this city. >> with all the hideous violent crime in this country, is this really the kind of case we need to spend our tax dollars on when there are a slew of unsolved murders and rapes that need solving and prosecuting? i want to welcome back cnn legal analyst lisa bloom. and curtis sliwa, founder of the guardian angels. there you go. we're also joined by boys watkins. bois, i understand you had a rally the other day. but there was a counterprotest. tell us about that. i understand it was pretty interesting, let's put it that way. >> yeah.

there were some skinheads and some neo nazis there holding up flags with swastikas on them, confederate flags, et cetera. you know, i respect their right to freedom of speech. i wasn't upset about it. we had a much bigger crowd than they had. what's also interesting is the fact that the new prosecutor actually wrote a book that has a picture of the confederate flag on the cover of the book. i think he should understand how offensive that flag is to people of color. >> whoa, whoa, whoa, you're saying a person prosecuting this case against this young woman -- say that again? >> yeah. he put a picture of the confederate flag on the cover of his book? >> in what context. >> we're not sure. he should know that that's an offensive symbol to people of color. and it certainly doesn't help him in terms of attempting to come in as an objective figure. >> we've got two starkly different versions of what happened here. why doesn't the store surveillance video just get released so we can figure out

what actually went on? because that usually tales the story. a walmart spokesperson said they handed the tapes over to the feds and prosecution but won't release it publicly. video can really tell the story. remember the alabama woman who was charged with felony child cruelty because of this shocking tape? it shows her dragging her son all around the store on a leash. then there was -- take a look at that. that tells a story. you don't need either side to comment. that tells the entire story. how about the surveillance footage of a jcpenney burglary, the video helped bust a mass theft operation in california last year. there you see the kids running out. should businesses be required to release video like that? here's my question. curtis sliwa, a lot of times the cops do release video. but it seems hit or miss. do they release the video when it backs up their story or don't release it when the video doesn't back up their story?

>> this whole story makes no sense. i used to be a night manager of mcdonald's in the bronx. i managed a supermarket. i had people bum rushing to the front of the line, fighting with cashiers, fighting with attendants. yeah, they sometimes get dragged out by the police. they cool out for 72 hours and get a disappearance ticket and everybody goes their way. i would think walmart, the number one cooperation in america, would want this to go away. this is not good news to walmart. yet the tennessee stump jum percent over there in missouri just want to make this a capital offense. >> i tell you why it hasn't gone away. because my reading of the police report is the police got a little too personally involved in this case. she was leaving the store. whatever happened inside, whether there were racial epithets, she was leaving the store at the time the police arrived. she was ranting and raving according to them. they said, calm down. and she didn't calm down. by the way, note to men, telling women to calm down, that never works, okay? never has worked in history.

never is going to work. does not calm us down. just makes us angrier. continues walking away. she gets angry. and at that point they come and apparently a scuffle ensues. let it go. i agree with you, jane. we don't have enough child protective services workers, enough police resources on important cases. this is a woman who got mad. maybe justifiably, maybe not. but the p.s. to the story is the kkk is handing out cards in that neighborhood? there's people with swastikas? are you kidding me? that only supports her claim that there could have been racial epithets thrown around in that walmart. >> does this case really warrant all the time, tax money and heart ache? you know, we here on "issues" cover these horrific cases of crime every day in the very same state, we're talking about the state of missouri all this is happening. five brothers and their dad are accused of heinous sex acts with children. in north carolina, we just talked about it, the young mom charged with selling her daughter for sex. that little girl is dead.

you know, you've got fort hood, the soldier who mowed down fellow soldiers. and these are just from this month alone these cases. let's assume she did lose her cool and she had a big fat tantrum. she didn't go in there with the purposes of robbing or killing. we have so many horrific cases at this point that are unsolved. why do you think prosecutors are focusing on this one, boyce? >> well, i think they're focusing on this, and again, i say this as a son of a police officer, so i've seen both sides of the system very closely. sometimes people don't like to have their authority questioned. in this case, heather made the mistake of telling the truth. she said, i'm not going to sign your plea deal, even though europe's threatening with me with extra prison time if i don't because i didn't do anything wrong. the reality that this whole justice system is very sick. we are asking the attorney general to step in and to investigate. because if they're doing everything on the up and up, the investigation will be fine. you can't just destroy lives

with the stroke of a pen and think that's okay. >> we have heather's attorney, pat rosenbloom, who's joining us on the phone. have you been listening? >> i just tuned in. i listened enough to know you got my name wrong. it's scott. >> scott, all right. he told me in my ear. and these ear phones we have aren't perfect. you got me on that one, scott, all right? scott, scott, scott, scott, scott. what's your point? >> pardon me? >> what's your point? you want to weigh in. weigh in. >> i had nothing to say. you called. i said -- you wanted to ask me a question. >> don't use this technique in the jury room, i've got to tell you, it's not going to work for you, sir. why do you feel that the police are prosecuting this case, scott? do you feel that this is a case of racism? >> i'm not going to go there. it's up to the prosecutor, to prosecute the case that the

police present to them. once a citizen is accused, they can elect to negotiate a disposition short of the -- >> did they offer some kind of plea deal? did they say this could all go away if you just plead guilty to disorderly conduct and we'll call it a day? >> i've only been on the case for two months. >> jane, can i weigh in on this? >> yeah. >> i think one of the reasons she refused to sign it is part of the plea deal is she was supposed to drop her complaints against the police. she's complained against them they were unprofessional in this situation. >> that's right. >> she didn't want to drop that. that's one of the reasons she didn't take the plea. >> you might take this case, lisa. i think you would do a good job representing this lady. >> i'll take it, baby. i'm hopping mad. by the way, being angry at walmart is not a crime. >> no, it's not. >> jane, you notice coming up, black friday, there are going to be people playing roller derby in all these box stores, bum rushing. there will be total chaos and

nobody's going to get arrested. >> black friday, watch out. thank you, fantastic panel. is nicolas cage addicted to spending? has he wasted his fortune? cage blames his manager. but the guy owns 22 cars and two castles. could he be a spending addict perhaps sf. plus, explosive new insight into the drunk driving mom. a new article pulls back the curtain on diane schuler's marriage. her husband fights to defend her honor. we're taking your calls on this one. q

let's meet today's winner, michael, from magnolia, ohio. michael turned to the crack pipe to escape his childhood demons for 21 long years. when he had to tell his three daughters there was no money left for food, the look in their eyes forced him to destroy all his drug paraphernalia right then and there. clean for almost a year. he says the fact that he's no longer disappointing his family is the best motivation of all. michael, wow, way to go, for sharing your courageous story. you're going to be getting an autographed copy of my book "i want" plus a chance to win a trip to new york city and visit me here on the set of "issues." we're going to have a sober

dinner if you make it here. you may want to check out my book "i want" at cnn.com/jane. it's my story of recovery. it could help you out. well, a mom allegedly drunk and high gets behind the wheel and kills eight people, including her daughter and herself. now her husband's calling her a saint. you will not believe what he has to say about his perfect wife. but first, tonight's "top of the block." is nicolas cage addicted to spending money? his former business manager says yes. he's one of hollywood's highest paid movie stars and now he's in financial ruin. nic cage blames it on his business manager, suing him for $20 million. but his old money manager is firing back saying nic squandered away his fortune by buying two castles, 15 mansions and multiple yachts and rolls-royces. the cage allegedly bought three

mansions, 22 cars and 47 rare art pieces, plus expensive jewelry in 2007 alone. wow, that could even top one of the late michael jackson wild spending sprees. oh, hollywood. and that is tonight's "top of the block." it started with a chilling phone call. a frightened k450i8d said there's something wrong with aunt diane. diane schuler, her minivan packed with kids, her body full of alcohol, driving the wrong way on a highhighway, she crash into a car. her grieving husband is putting diane on a pedestal. danny schuler tells new york magazine his wife was perfect. a saint. he describes their marriage as idyllic. he tells his son, the lone survivor of the crash, that his mommy's in heaven where good people belong. in another home, diane is no saint. a relative of two men killed in the crash says diane is a murderer, not even a moment have

i felt sorry for danny. he becomes a man you can't hate enough. danny refuses to accept test results that show diane was drunk. listen to this. >> i go to bed every night knowing my heart is clear. she did not drink. she's not an alcoholic. listen to all that? she is not an alcoholic. and my heart has rested every night when i go to bed. something medically had to have happened. >> but in a fabulous new article in new york magazine, danny paints a very telling picture. a husband and wife closed off from one another. their conversations limited to talking about cleaning the gutters and kids? was he on livious to his wife's toxic secrets? did he really know her or was their relationship superficial? is he in denial? straight out to my expert panel. also joining me tonight, david schwartz, and the author of this very compelling article, contributing editor for new york magazine, steve fishman. thank you for joining us, steve.

but first to tom ruskin. you have been hired by diane schuler's family to determine what cause the the accident. how do you explain the fact that his wife had alcohol and signs of marijuana in her system? >> i really can't. listen, i'm a finder of the facts. when danny schuler and the schuler family approached my firm and said find out what happened, that's what we have attempted to do. and at this point in time, what we're going to do is retest the specimens and samples and tissues taken at the time of the autopsy to verify the findings. >> you told me that a long time ago. what's taking so long? >> to be very honest with you, the schuler family is not a wealthy family. they have had trouble raising the money that it's going to cost for these tests and have just really recently come up with the money to be able to pay for it. >> i'm going to quote the new york magazine article. "she was a pot smoker. danny told police she smoked once in a while. but jay, her friend, knew

better. she liked pot and smoked it on a regular basis. the police understood from the interviews." tom? >> well, danny schuler is the husband, and saw her every day. and even though they kept different schedules, they saw each other routinely in the morning, before she went to work, and saw each other every weekend. and they spent summers up in the camp. >> what does that have to do with the -- >> jay says she was taken out of context. the last time she knew diane to smoke pot was two and a half years ago, before aaron ws born. i don't know what happened. i know that they were interviewed on the day after they buried diane, their daughter, the nieces, and jay wanted to be -- and danny wanted to be as cooperative as possible with police and gave those statements. >> all right. i want to bring in steve fishman, contributing editor of "new york magazine."

insightful article. what's the big take-away in terms of the relationship between danny and diane? were they just a superficial couple and didn't really they a that didn't really know each other in the sense a man and wife should know each other? >> it's difficult for them. he worked nights. she worked days. they rarely saw each other during the week. they had two kids. weekends were devoted ed to the kids. they were devoted parents. given that schedule, it's very difficult to have the -- >> can i jump in? neither seemed inclined to learn each other's secrets? was there a disinterest in going too deep? >> i don't think there was a deep interest. it's not the way danny works. he goes to work, does a job.

doesn't need to know secrets. he's not the kind of guy who is built to handle secrets. diane was independent. she ran the house, controlled the money. >> in a second, we'll get more. we're going to dive deep.

the that is a t 911 call that came too late to save the people in the crash that killed 8. here's a new york magazine article. danny didn't know diane packed vodka in the car. she left with orange juice and a mixer. she has a pretty face and doesn't weigh 204 pounds, her

weight according to the autopsy. gorgeous disguises. clueless and blind to the conclusion of law enforcement that diane was under the influence of alcohol and pot. >> yes. i agree. i think what happened here is that, i see this every day in my practice where what happens is the family wants to protect their loved one. they don't want them to see they are an addict. they don't believe it in the core of who they are. it's part of the denial you were talking about. it's so strong in the family system, the denial. we have to breakthrough that denial and tell the truth about the red flags, everything else everyone was seeing. >> at the same time, i don't understand why danny is blamed for diane's criminal

transgressions, by everybody. tom ruskin is an investigator hired by the family to investigate, to be a fact finder. why is he attacked for doing his job as an investigator. >> todd, do you feel you have been attacked? >> he's been attacked everywhere. >> i have by some of the other people who were victims of the crime. i have been demonized. listen, it goes with the job. but, we should want these facts investigated fully and i'm not too sure -- and the fact of the matter is, whether or not they had a good marriage or bad marriage or he didn't know what was happening, the bottom line is, diane is the one that transgressed, not daniel. >> i think it's because of danny's attorney. his attorney has basically spewed at a news conference. we're going to play a sound byte of the attorney.

this is where the controversy started. listen. >> she has numerous medical conditions, problems. one of them was an abscess, which was almost two months old, she has diabetes, at various levels, she also had a lump on her leg. >> all right, steve fishman, what do you make of this attorney? >> in defense, i think it was his job to deflect. he did, in weird ways, kind of change the story. people wonder what happened to her. i think the other thing at the center of this and to david's point -- >> we have ten seconds. >> she really was not the profile of somebody who would do this. >> that's the whole point. that's the whole point. we can't stereo type what an addict looks like. this is the face of addiction here.

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