drug slave to pay for mom's drug debt? the little girl's body was dumped object the side of a highway and her own mother and suspected kidnapper behind bars accused of lying about little shaniya's disappearance to 911. and how about this for carrie prejean? some porn companies have gotten aheld of her sex tape. can they do that without consent

of all parties? call 1-877-tell-hln or text us at hlntv. >> i didn't do anything. start your message with the word and i didn't plot anything. >> of course you didn't. "prime." it's your chance to be heard. that was dalia dippolito. she denies she hired a hitman once again, this is ""prime and plotted his murder. police arrested dalia after stationed a 911 and i must say a news" and i'm mike galanos. brilliant, fake murder scene. they have everything from dalia's fake tears and grief to the 5-year-old was sold as a sex her plotting the crime on camera, caught on tape. slave by her own mom, possibly back out to my expert panel. phone lines lighting up. mike, wisconsin, your question or thought, sir? as paid as a drug debt. mike? now arrest warrants show cops >> caller: hi. >> hi. how are you doing? seized evidence, even dna, from >> caller: pretty good, how are you? >> good, what's your question or his vehicle. are murder charges imminent? thought, sir? >> caller: i thought, not that joining us to talk about this is you'd have any idea of this but i've been trying to figure out former fbi agent, john clark. to myself why any couple has to plan or plot to kill their and stacy and michelle joining spouse just to get some stupid as money, kids or house that's us again.

michelle, i'll start with you. as simple as that? we talked about it, authorities i don't understand the point in killing somebody is. >> well, mike, i think you have working out jurisdiction issues, a point. who is going to -- has that been in the sense that i don't think that people always kill just worked out? >> what happened yesterday was over one thing. and often they don't even know investigators did meet with the district attorney's office from why they're doing it. they may harbor a deep-seeded lee county and cumberland resentment against somebody and then they find a conscious reason to justify doing something against them when county. they had a meeting yesterday and their resentment may be based on they are still going over a lot something completely different. of the same details to figure usually people like this are out which charges these next charge also come from and to angry. whom these charges will be given they're angry at world. they feel cheated. they feel like victims themselves and they feel some w to at this point. >> no inkling what the charges will be yet? somehow -- >> not as of yet. my issue tonight, too many b-movies for this young lady? hey, i can do that. and you know it looks like exactly when shaniya was taken that's where they're also up until the point that she was found. >> okay. picking up their acting tips. let's bring in don. as we look at this, are murder look again at dalia dippolito's reaction to finding out her charges coming if mom indeed husband was dead, even though sold shaniya as a prostitute for she allegedly plotted his murder sex and if mcneil was the

and he wasn't dead anyway but she thinks he is. delivery man to give little but listen. shaniya to whoever did this to her, what do you make of this? >> they are going to have to i'm laughing because this is so figure out the evidence and over the top. there's no question in my mind, who wants to take it, jason or joshua? come on, jason, when you see mike, that they definitely are looking towards 11 murder this, first of all, why the heck charges against this mother. because she will be aiding and is she under house arrest? abetting in this daughter's did i hear that? >> she is under house arrest. murder here. they will look for the fact that and that was done at the she actually did work with the beginning of the case. >> why isn't she behind bars other person to get him. she knew what the baby was going practicing her acting skills on to be used for and it wasn't other convicts? like she was giving up the baby >> well, when we first went, got involved in the case, we were because she couldn't take care able to work with the state of the baby. attorney and michael and they'd reduced the amount of space she that's the evidence that they could go. originally she could go to the will be looking for. work, backyard of her moth house >> stacy, as we see this little where she is staying. girl and the eyes of a mom who >> no, no. >> she can only stay there. may have been the ignition to after the fact after this is all done so you have to understand. start this tragedy by selling >> this is wrong, this belongs the little girl for sex, what is going on in the mind and heart of this lady? behind bars as she awaits her >> i really do think that fate. where does this case stand, there's a drug addiction here and that's what we'll be finding joshua friedman, briefly?

out. it isn't just that drugs alter a >> briefly, the divorce case is in the discovery process. person's state of mind, they we're also monitoring the progress of the criminal case. alter your judgment, and the state's doing their own conscience, and they will do case. but on the divorce case in the discovery case. anything to keep their habit >> when is the trial phase filled. >> let's bring michelle back. starting. >> the trial in the divorce case what is the theory that police is not yet set for the divorce are working off of now? case. >> this woman is not behind bars is it that mom sold little after all of this. shaniya for sex and what is this their is something really totally kooky with our criminal mcneil's role? what do we know? >> well, that's the information justice system. it's because, what, she has a that we're going off of as of this time. they do have probable cause to good hairdo, she gets to stay be able to charge mom with those home? a woman could go to jail for 15 years because she cut a line at charges and then also to be able walmart and lost her temper and yet in thwoman when they have to charge mario mcneil with everything caught on tape and she's tried allegedly three first-degree kidnapping. again, they are being so tight times to kill her spouse, once lipped and keeping things so allegedly with antifreeze, she's close, that you and i both know under house arrest? they have to have everything it's -- i want to pull my hair lined upper fektly for these now the tufts, you're watching charges to be able to stick and "issues" on hln. that's what they are working for it at this time. they are working in combination

with the investigators to figure out the nuts and bolts and exactly how this happened. >> what hard evidence do they have on mcneil right now? >> well, right now, evidently, and investigators are trying to figure this out, and we have heard this come out before, was that he told investigators, allegedly, that he had actually had shaniya in his possession and those were the pictures that we saw at the hotel. so that is the evidence that they are probably working with at this time. if other evidence came out as a result of questioning him further or questioning an twa net davis further -- >> what more do we know about mcsneel. >> i think kidnapping is going to be a weak charge. what we know and probably what is suspected is that the mother probably gave him the child. now, if someone or another they can show that he coerced the mother or wanted the mother to pay him in this -- for this child for doing something else

for her, then that may get to be a kidnapping charge but i just think that they are going to focus on the murder charges, that that's what they are going to actually look at for him. >> okay. more on this coming up. we'll take a look at mario mcneil's violent, criminal past and how this guy should have been behind bars. there's no way that he should have had little shaniya in his arms, taking her to some hotel room.

don't turn your back on your children. if you see a child in danger, please stop and help them.

please, don't turn your back and don't let another innocent bystander go unnoticed because we, as adults, have to realize that they depend on us for safety and trust. >> shaniya's grieving aunt advising us as parents to hug them closer after a story like this. found dead on the side of the road. look at that cute little girl. we'll take your calls at 1-877-tell-hln. michelle, first, let's hit on the word mom, ms. davis, were there any signs of abuse of shaniya? >> i reached out for the department of child services and they told me that prior to the conversation investigators said that there were a few complaints from dfs having to go out to the

home regarding children. what exactly they would not go into detail. there are children involved and having said that, as soon as this happened and as soon as shaniya went missing, her 7-year-old son was taken away from her and put into foster care. so that's something to note. the fact that dfs has been out there on previous events and charges is something to take note zf you better believe it is. so you have antoinette davis and speaking of a shady past, that's an understatement when you talk about mario mcneil. june 2001, he shot a guy in the shoulder, neck, face, arms, did he ever serve jail time for that? >> here's what i can tell you. there are a few different charges that he was faced with, some with drug possession, one

that you just mentioned, eluding arrest, and he spent four years in prison when convicted of the felony charge. so there's no prior charges or arrests resulting -- or in relation to children. more adult charges. but this is someone with definitely a criminal past. >> a criminal past and for that shooting, i think they combined that with a drug charge and there was only going to be probation and that's why he ended up going to jail and then he's out here early on probation and that's why he was able to snag little shaniya. let's get stacy back in on this. we talked about antoinette davis. is this t just a seared, cold person that can take a 5-year-old and -- >> make him a drug addict, someone desperate for money, and you've got a combination for someone that can actually do

something as horrible as this. >> so back to the same thing, drugs, desperation, and they will do anything. that's what you're saying here, stacy? >> that's exactly what i'm saying. and i would never in a million years blame her father for any of this, but what needs to be said is, people need to be locking into who the other co-parent is spending time with when handing your children off. people are very dangerous out there. >> yeah. that's a great point. who is in the lives of your child. we should know that. that's so sad. don, stacy, michelle, we appreciate it. coming up, a 15-year-old girl indicted for murdering her 9-year-old neighbor. we're showing you her picture because this 15-year-old is being charged as an adult. and you are not going to believe the motive.

it's hard to fathom the idea that a 15-year-old girl can kill a 9-year-old girl. alyssa confessed, there's the 15-year-old. and why did she do this? she wanted to know what it felt like to kill and here's how she allegedly carried out the crime. she strangled the little

9-year-old, cut her throat and buried her in the woods. she's being charged as an adult, first-degree murder. welcome back, stacy kaiser and t.j., a reporter for the columbia tribune. t.j., you were in court to see this 15-year-old. what was she like? what was her demeanor in court as she faced the charges? >> i would say that her demeanor was pretty stoic. longing brown bangs ofr her eyes. she didn't see impacted by the charges at all. >> stoic? was her family there at all? >> yeah, we were told that her mother and grandmother were there but they were escorted out. >> was there a lot of emotions?

>> not that i saw but from elizabeth's family there was. they were dressed in pink and doing a remembrance for her. >> did the police officer read off the motive or let everybody know what the motive sfwhas. >> there was a highway patrol man that spoke with the interview that he had with alyssa. and there were multiple objections but she stated to him, she wanted to see what it felt like and that was certainly impactful. >> that is stunning. stacy, how does a 15-year-old get to that place when they wanted to know what it would feel like and they were going to carry it out on a 9-year-old? >> mike, i had to do a lot of research on a case like this. first of all, she's known to be a self-mutilator and filled with

a lot of rage and i have to believe that there are some drugs involved, that she was in an altered state to drive herself to that extreme. >> let's backtrack a minute as far as the plan. t.j., from what we -- it sounds like it was premeditated. she dug the grave like five days before she killed elizabeth, right? >> sure. the grave was -- two graves were dug on a friday and elizabeth went missing on the following wednesday. so that's what they need for premeditated murder, and it certainly looks like that. >> anita, i know she's 15 but that sure sounds like premeditated murder one, doesn't it? >> absolutely. she looks like a typical high

school student by in the eyes of the law and in the court, she is an adult and she needs to be held responsible for what she did as an adult. >> do you think that that's going to stick? if she's convicted, it's life in prison without parole? >> correct, life without parole because she's being treated as an adult. they determined that there was this kind of crime, the evidence that they had, she should be tried as an adult. there could be a plea bargain worked out where she's still treated as a juvenile but usually in cases like that it's where you have proof problems or witness problems, things like that. so far what we're seeing in this case, you've got a confession, her digging graves beforehand. it seems like there's strong evidence. there's not really a reason to keep her at the juvenile status, keep her as an adult. >> stacy, the fact that she's

digging graves, that sounds cold, icy, stoic and flat out evil. what are your thoughts there? >> you know, did i some reading on her twitter page that's now been erased but there's still stuff online and she talks about feeling like she's an addict and that's partly where that came from. but i think that there's trauma in this girl's history and that doesn't excuse her history but i think it led to it. >> no. a 15-year-old just doesn't do this. t.j., what do we know about her past? >> well, she comes from a broken family. her father is in prison and in missouri on assault charges and her mother has been deemed by the court unfit as a parent. so she's living with the grandparents and according to the juvenile officer, they set strict limits and she attempted suicide in 2007 and was hospitalized on an inpatient

basis since that time and she had a lot of input and a lot of people focusing on her as far as her treatment. >> okay. anita, what does the court do with that when maybe the grandparents were fit but dad in prison on assault charges and mother unfit, does the court take that into effect and say, hey, this 15-year-old never had a shot? >> well, it's possible and something that the prosecutors can look at. if there's so much trauma in her background, that may be -- although it sounds odd, it may be mitigation for her and that's when you might see something worked out where she's treated as a juvenile. the problem is, when you have a 15-year-old who, this is how they start their criminal life, right out of the gate, there's little hope. >> well, call 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back. carrie prejean admits that she made a sex tape and a company has gotten ahold of it. they say that they are going to distribute this tape or else. call 1-877-tell-hln. i think confusion is the word for many out there, over what women should do concerning mammograms. here's what we have. the secretary of health and human services saying the controversial study that we've been talking about will not

influence -- we thought all along these were the guidelines, that women should get yearly mammograms. and then a new study comes along recommending that some women wait until they are 50? what should you do. olivia newton-john weighed in on this. >> you were in your 40s when you were diagnosed with breast cancer, yes? >> yes. >> how did you find it? >> myself. >> breast exam? >> yes. advocate that we do self breast exams. it's an obvious thing that we do. it's commonsense. if you find something that isn't right, you get it checked out, which is what i did. >> we're going to get to that with the doctor. did you follow it up with a mammogram? yes, i did. and it was negative. i instinctually felt that

something was wrong. i had lumps before and i wasn't feeling my best so he did a surgical biopsy and he found a cancer. so i was very fortunate. >> so many testimonies like that is what we're hearing now and it's again confusion out there. so what are we to do? are the guidelines valid? we're going to clear things up. joining me to talk about this is breast cancer advocate, renee, the director -- also from the -- well, she's done a lot on this and she's invested with the susan b.komen foun indication. renee, i'll start with you. how many women out there are confused about this? what is going on in their hearts and minds right now? >> i think this was just an enormous -- almost a bomb went off. i think women were already a little bit confused about when

they were supposed to get mammograms. a mammogram is not the most pleasant thing to have and i think a lot of women were sort of putting it off. knowing it was important but maybe putting it off. i think there was confusion already there and now this just adds to -- you know, makes an issue that was already muddy even more muddled. >> yeah. let me read the statement. this is part of the statement from health and human services secretary, kathleen sebelius. the u.s. preventive task force is an outside independent panel of doctors that make recommendations. they do not set poll tea and do not determine what services are covered by the federal government. my message to women is simple. keep doing what you have been doing for years. talk to your doctor about your individual history, ask questions, and make the decision that is right for you. renee, that's wise advice, isn't

it? >> i think she's absolutely on the money on this. the aspect about talking to your doctor is really, really critical. knowing your family history is very, very important. listening to what olivia newton-john had to say a few minutes ago, feeling a lump, the first and second test was negative but kept saying, many something isn't right, bev to teach women to be advocates for their own health. which is why this thing about don't do breast exams is shocking. >> that's right. the self-exam may not be fool-proof but it's a start, right? >> yes, i agree with that, mike. if something does not cost anything, it's something that a women would get used to doing for her own breasts, it can pick

up something that is not detected by other means. so i agree with you. it's a no-brainer to me to have women exam their breasts because they know their breasts better than anybody else, obviously, and to me it just seems not very wise to take that away as a guideline. >> the u.s. health chief and federal advisory boards are on two different boats. it's an eye opener. so, doctor, it speaks to the confusion there. what would you tell a woman right now who comes in and she's confused? >> well, i would join the women in saying, we're confused as well. the data that we have clearly

shows that screening mammography has caused a decrease in breast cancer mortality of about 30%. so -- and this is not new information. this is information that has been out. there is nothing new that is against this data. then what we hear is a recommendation not to scene women from 40 to 49 and every year from 50 and we're all wondering why this has changed. my advice to women concerning that is to follow the guidelines that the american cancer society has put out and still is supporting. so i understand your confusion and we are confused as well. >> mike f. company jump in here as well zsh yeah g. ahead, renee. >> 15% of breast cancers are in

this 40 to 50 age group. and what is also frustrating, this is for women of average risk being not women like myself at high risk. but women of average risk and we know that breast cancer case, there is no family link. there is no gene. most of it comes out of the blue. so you're saying that women who are of average risk could be diagnosed and it's very frustrating. >> yeah, that's great point. we're going to continue this conversation. call in. i'm sure that you have questions. let's clear up the confusion. you know the number. 1-877-tell-hln.

a lot of women if they get mammograms will go to a free mammogram clinic. we don't want to discourage this just because -- we're talking about tests that are based on 1900 women and decided that 1300 woman minute under 49 -- it's -- what we're talking about here are -- >> is not a balance zsh not a balanced study. >> thank you, sheryl crow,

breast cancer survivor. look at that. mammogram mayhem. would those words ever be put together? we're talk taking your calls. sharl lean is with us from louisiana. how are you doing? >> caller: thank you for taking my zaul yeah. >> caller: i'm from a family of eight. they say it's not hereditary. my grandmother had her breasts removed and my great aunt and my aunt. my mother's doctor said, if you have daughters, and she had five, they said, make sure that you have your kbreerl mammograms. i have sisters and i'm 58 years 0e8d and i have sisters that are younger than me. what are we to do? >> charlene should talk to her doctor about the genetic come poen noent breast cancer.

the doctor can speak to more about that. but when you have breast cancer level after level after level, you may be concerned about a family gene that makes you more disposed to breast cancer. >> doctor, can you address that? when there's such a history in the family? >> hi, from louisiana. i understand what you're saying and interestingly, to get to your point, most are the cancers are not in high-risk women. approximately 75 to 80%, if not more, are in nonhigh risk wochl men. so, again, obviously if you have some of the risk factors that we know about, that even strengthens the article to get a ma'am mog gra fee. but i want to make sure that everyone understands that that is not the major sector where breast cancer occurs. they still occur with a women

with an average risk for breast cancer. >> let me pick up on one thing that sheryl crow said, folks. and this facebook woman writes, my insurance no longer covers it. are you concerned that this will set the stage for insurance companies to deny? >> yes, it's very interesting that this policy has come from a government agency. and it's totally confusing that this is something that was signed off years ago. and i'm concerned that the insurance companies will say, look, this is what the federal agency says. these are their guidelines. so we're just following the guidelines and we won't pay. yes, that's a fear that i have. i hope it does not happen. >> right. >> but that is definitely a fear that i have. >> but if their doctor

recommends it, won't the insurance company pay for it if you go to your doctor and the doctor says, yes, you are at high risk and i want you to be screened, won't the insurance company then say yes? >> lohopefully they will. but we're only picking a narrow sector. and when you exclude the other women where most of the breast cancers will occur, we're going backwards. >> yeah, well put. we have to leave it there. doctor, renee, we'll have to leave it there. hopefully this will clear things up for some folks. well, here's a murky situation. what is going on with carrie prejean? she admits that she made an adult sex tape with her ex-boyfriend. a porn company says that they have it and they want to make a deal. what recourse does she have?

welcome back. more problems for carrie prejean. she admits that she made a sex tape for her former boyfriend. now an adult entertainment company says that they have that tape. regardless of what you think of carrie prejean, does she have legal recourse here? can she do anything to stop this? what do you think? call 1-877-tell-hln. i'm with carlos diaz. we'll start with you. is she out of luck here? >> well, the legal answer is, it depends. how vivid got the tape. if she gave it to her boyfriend as a gift, here's a tape i gave

to you, and then he turned it over, it's a gift he can do whatever he wants with it. it depends on how the company got that tape. while it's a sex video, think about a picture. if i gave a friend a picture of myself and then they went and sold it but it's just a picture of, you know, an innocent picture, it doesn't seem like such a big deal. it's only a big deal because it's a sex tape. if she's giving it as a gift -- >> the guidelines are the same as if it was a conservative 5 by 7 versus -- >> she's giving it as a gift. just because it's a sex tape, does she have a privacy issue? she's giving it to someone as a gift. she's putting it out there. it goes back to, again, and again, don't make those kinds of tapes. >> carlos, do we no how vivid got the tape? >> we have no idea how vivid got the tape. this is not going to be the most

popular thing you're going to hear, all right, but think about it for a second and going by what anita says, if it is a gift and she has no legal recourse, maybe you make the deal. you know, right now her credibility is shot any way. people are calling her one of the biggest hypocrites in the family, promoting family values and having a sex tape and several provocative photos out there. there are reports of eight sex tapes out there. if they are offering her multimillion dollars to put out the sex tape that will eventually get out any way, what's the harm of making someone off of it any way? >> marvette, there's no way she can make any kind of a deal with these people. how would you advise her to handle this? it's a tough situation in the midst of trying to sell her book. >> well, it is a difficult situation but she is being

viewed as a hypocrit because everything that she said in the beginning when the pictures came out, she claimed to be trans we believe. instead of playing offense, she's now playing defense. she has no choice. her credibility is shot, which is why she won't stand up to tough questions. no one really is going to buy a book from carrie prejean on family values, or any values at this point, when she hasn't displayed values and honesty and morality herself. >> do you agree with carlos? does she make the deal? >> absolutely she makes the deal. she absolutely makes a deal. at this point, you know, she doesn't really -- everything that she's tried to build, her independence on, you know, has really got down the drain. it's fizzled. what little credibility she had, the supporters she did have are no longer supporting her. we just don't know when another land mine will explode with carrie prejean.

>> again, as a brand strategist, don't you say, i was just 17? and fight this? >> at this point you come with the honesty. my strategy is always honesty. and at this point we don't know where honesty lies with carrie, she says one thing one day and we discover another the next. >> very quickly, you know, the boyfriend that the tape was sent to has told tmz that she wasn't 17, that she was 20 or 21. the people that i've talked to with the pageant have told me that she was not 17, that she was above 18, that she was 20 or 21. when the tapes came out. so she's a hypocrite in that way as well. like i say, it's not the most politically correct thing to do. i actually talked to donald trump about this and he half jokingly said maybe she should release the sex tape. >> let's tease the folks. what donald trump had to say after the break. y8

was little shaniya sold as a sex slave to pay for mom's drug debt? more shocking allegations in the 5-year-old's tragic death here. the little girl's body dumped on the side of the highway. her own mom, suspect kidnapper, accused of staging this elaborate hoax. even lying about little shaniya's disappears to 911 operators. new charges filed at any moment. will it be murder? >> plus this. carrie prejean, trying to sell a book. she's answering questions about a sex tape. and an adult entertainment company says they have the sex tape. they say they're going to

release it and trying to make a deal with carrie prejean. is this thing going to be released regardless? call in, 1-877-tell-hln. e-mail me, cnn.com/primenews. or send me a text at hlntv, just start your message with the word prime. it's your chance to be heard. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com this is "prime news," hour number two of the show. i'm mike galanos. we continue to follow this tragedy. there are new developments in the death of little shaniya. cops say the 5-year-old from north carolina was sold as a sex slave by her own mother. possibly to pay off a drug debt. plus we have new details about little shaniya's alleged kidnapper. a hardened thug with a violent past. now arrest warrants show cops seized evidence, even dna from his vehicle. are murder charges imminent? let's talk about it. joining me to do just that, don clark. also with us, anita kay, criminal defense attorney,

former prosecutor. we're joined once again by michelle sigona with her own website, michellesigona.com. let's hit this from the top when we talk about possibly new charges, jurisdiction worked out. where do we stand on that? >> right now, hopefully by the end of this week, investigators will be able to figure out which jurisdiction these new charges will come from, and if in fact they are murder charges. there are two counties involved here. cumberland county and lee county. the initial charges did come from cumberland county. since the body was found in a different place, the new charges, the ones that we've been waiting for to come out for the last couple of days, may have to come from lee county. investigators met with the district attorneys from both offices yesterday for four hours, and they had another long meeting today, to be able to comb through all of the evidence, all of the past crime time line in this particular indication, and also waiting on the autopsy to come back. the medical examiner's office

still has shaniya's body right now. it has not been turned over to her family yet. >> let's bring in anita kay. anita, do you see murder charges coming soon if these two concocted this plot to help pay off a drug debt and little shaniya ends up dead? >> absolutely. i think the mom could be charged with murder. it's what we call felony murder rules. you've got -- she's committing a felony by selling her child. any of the crimes that she committed were felonies. and then any murder that stems from that, because she was murdered later, you could get her for the murder, even if she wasn't actually involved specifically in the murder. it's kind of like a continuum. the crime carries on. she could very well be facing murder charges. >> how about mario mcneill? >> same thing. you could work the little continuum down the line and say what was the first felony. as a murder resulted, go back and charge him with murder under a felony murder rule. >> don, let's talk about this

investigation, getting evidence on these people. where do you start? are you going crime scene, hotel, back at the house? what's your order here? >> well, i think you start right where the crime started from, and the crime started when she left the house. you've got to start there. and then you've got to proceed on with all of the other places that she went to. but the main thing is, too, mike, when you're running this investigation, i agree with anita totally, is that you're going to have to find some way to hold this woman so they can really put it together. number one, work on the drug aspect of it. and secondly, possibly you could be working on the selling of the kid. and then get murder charges. but get that first charge, because this is very serious and nobody needs to make a mistake on this. >> we'll be clear, antoinette davis is innocent until proven guilty. michelle, we're talking about possibly selling her daughter as a sex slave to pay off a drug debt. what is the drug past for antoinette davis? >> allegedly, and also lots of reports have come out to say there is a past.

people that have known antoinette have come forward to say she was in fact using drugs. that's not something that i do know personally, because i have never met her. and i don't know about her past drug use personally. but again, these are based off of people that know her, that have come forward to say, yes, things have happened. yes, she did have drugs in the home. but then again, you have shaniya's father who has come forward to say, look, i felt she was on the right path. she had a job. she had a home. it looked like things were straightening up for her. that's why i let shaniya stay with her a little wit longer than we had initially planned. >> we'll take your calls, your thoughts on this, your theories. the number, 1-877-tell-hln. when we come back, we'll take a look at the violent criminal past of the alleged kidnapper, mario mcneil as we look at cute little shaniya.

don't give up on me and don't give up on shaniya. she's right there with you. just knowing my little baby is up there with you is making me comfortable right now. >> grieving father bradley lockhardt when he found out his little girl was found dead on the side of the road. here's a man blaming himself somewhat. he had custody of little shaniya. but she had her mom, wanted more time with shaniya. had been with shaniya about five weeks. anita, as we look at that, we wonder, was this a premeditated plan all along that she was going to, you know, get more -- have more time with shaniya so she could end up selling her? do you see that? and how are you going to prove that? >> it's possible. because to do what she's alleged to have done, doesn't seem

necessarily a spur of the moment thing. it does seem planned. so that makes you wonder exactly what you're saying, did she want to keep little shaniya longer because she had this planned all along. did she have that plan from the moment she got custody of shaniya for that short time. because it just seems something doesn't happen spur of the moment. >> that's a good point. let's bring don clark back in, former fbi special agent in charge. how difficult is that to prove? >> i agree with anita 100%. this person has left a trail, and lapd's going to be very methodical about following that trail, mike. they're not going to rush this. here's another thing that we need to understand. that that is a real serious problem. law enforcement has just finished recovering like 900 kids sold for prostitution, and a number have been convicted. this is not an unusual affair. we're hearing about this one little baby that has taken

place, but it is a very serious problem. so i think they need to be very careful, which i'm sure they will, very methodical and put this together. now we know this little kid is dead. >> exactly. to your point, don, when investigators find who did this, who is the actual person who murdered little shaniya, that could lead to a larger case, a larger case study and maybe we can save some other kids down the road. as we look really deep into the future on this one. michelle, before we go there, let's back track and talk about mario mcneil, the alleged kidnapper here. he's got a pretty violent rap sheet. it starts in '01, maybe before that, we knew june of '01, shot a man in the face, neck and shoulders. and there's more trouble after that. >> there's a lot of trouble. i have all the documents in front of me right now. it's multiple pages here. he is a convicted felon.assault. you have drug possession. you have a lot of information here that goes back a long way,

as you mentioned, all the way back to 2001. here we are again with the new charge of first-degree kidnapping. it will be interesting what happens in the next couple of days and where exactly these charges will come from and who is going to be charged with what. that's really what we're all waiting. we're anticipating. and we want to see who in fact will be -- in the end, held responsible for the death of little shaniya. >> don, at this point, as you're interrogating these two, you've got to pit them against each other, right, to get them to talk? >> absolutely. you know who's got the most to lose is the guy that's got the most to lose right now, because there's points in his direction as far as murdering the kid. however, the mother has a lot to lose as well. we're just going to separate them and try to get them to go against each other. at the end of the day, if they're guilty, we want both to be severely punished. >> you better believe it. thanks, we appreciate it. coming up, a doctor, a doctor's accused of killing his

9-year-old son. the boy was stabbed to death in the family's kitchen. police say dad said the little guy, his own son, was the devil. you are going to hear a chilling 911 call.

this one is just brutal. a doctor is accused of killing his own 9-year-old son, stabbing him to death in the family's

kitchen. police in nichols hill in oklahoma say mary wolf watched in horror as her husband fatally stand their little boy, tommy. 3rd grader, cub scout. what happened? listen to the 911 call from his mother, as police just arrived on the scene. >> i wish i had warned you, that was very difficult to listen to. i can't imagine ha that mom was going through to watch this unfold.

wow, we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. joining me to talk about this, dave jordan, reporter from kmtv. he's at the police department in nichols hills. also with us, kay, criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor. and stacy kaiser, psychotherapist. stacy, how does this poor woman even come remotely to cope with this? losing a son and watching her husband do this? >> this is really a double loss for her. because she's not only lost her son, but she's lost whatever semblance of a husband she had before this. and so this is something where she's going to really have to rally the support of other friends and family to get through it. >> yeah. let's get dave jordan in on this. dave, let's get this straight now. the doctor, the father was saying his little 9-year-old was the devil? that was the motive here? >> well, that's according to the 911 tape that you just played, mike. it's also according to the affidavit in this case.

the policeman who was on the scene said that his 9-year-old was reportedly the devil. and that the father, steven wolf, dr. steven wolf of nichols hills, stand him at least twice because dr. wolf claimed he is indeed the devil. what's interesting to note is the police officers have gotten a search warrant where they are looking for any material, written or otherwise, that would suggest demonic possession of an individual. that information coming out today. >> wow. stacy, again, as you've watched this, as you listen to this, and we see it unfold, the doctor calling his 9-year-old the devil. where is that coming from? >> you know, i always say that people who can be in any occupation and still have mental and psychological problems, and i think what this was was a psychotic break. this man really, really lost it. >> yeah. and he has a history. we'll get to that in a second. dave, any charges yet against mr. wolf? >> well, we're hearing that charges could come as early as monday. today the police investigators have met with the d.a.'s office.

they're looking at a number of different issues. he's already been denied bond as of yesterday. and that is obviously, if you listen to 9 tape, that's one of the reasons he's been denied bond. >> dave, any trouble in the home? had he been accused of abusing his 9-year-old son? or is this violent episode, tragic episode a first in that realm? >> this is a community of about 4,000 people, a pretty affluent community near oklahoma city. some people say that the family life was pretty normal for this type of area. others say that there was some sort of family discord. police have not commented on that as of yet. they're still looking into that. that's also part of the investigation, mike. >> were they married? was he living in the house, dave? >> that's also up for debate. from what i've heard that the parents may have been separated. but he was in the house there. there were reports that he went back to the house early saturday morning -- sunday morning, rather, and leading into sunday night, leading into monday morning. so there is some debate. police haven't really commented

on the family life. >> we mentioned the mental health history for this man. 1984, he battled major depression, received psychotherapy until june of 1988. hospitalized for acute depression, 1995. stacy, clear some things up for us here. major depression, acute depression. what's this guy going through at that point? >> major depression is pretty serious. in order to be hospitalized in that way, you either have to be a harm to yourself or a harm to others. this guy definitely has a history of some pretty extreme behavior. >> anita, as you talk about the defense and how this will play out legally, insanity is what we're going to hear at some point? >> absolutely. it's going to be the first thing. just hearing him say those words he's the devil about a child, let alone his own child, that's the first thing you think of is some type of insanity. there will be evaluations. i don't think this has come out, were there any toxicology reports, was any blood taken, because he may have been on some type of medication, prescribed

or self-prescribed, because he is a doctor. so if this was a psychosis, was it related to a mental health issue, or, you know, is it related to a drug issue, perhaps self-medicating? those are the things that i would definitely want to see as the prosecutor to determine how to charge this case and what you're looking at. >> good point there. dave, any issues with drugs or alcohol for this guy? go ahead, dave. >> well, the police have told me repeatedly that they have ruled out illegal drug use, and alcohol abuse. they say they've interviewed a number of people who knew dr. wolf and all of them said they've never known him to use illegal drugs, or drink excessively. police have not commented at all about any sort of prescribed medication, any sort of anti-depressant medication. that is supposed to come out later on in the investigation. but they are ruling out, as of this point, illegal drugs and alcohol. >> let's talk about that prescription drug use. if that's involved here, stacy

kaiser. is that a -- that's a delicate balance, to make sure you get the medication right and make sure he's taking it? >> that is 100% correct. if he's not taking his medication, or because he's a doctor medicating himself, that could lead to this kind of act. >> dave, we'll hit on more of this after the break. what was going on in his life? i was reading he was dealing with anger issues at work. is that true? are police talking about that? >> well, that is what we're also hearing as well. but his work has not commented on that. obviously there are hipaa laws and privacy laws that prohibit them from releasing that information to the media. we haven't really reported extensively on that because it would just be conjecture or rumor at this point. >> we'll take your calls, you know the number, 1-877-tell-hln. as we continue to delve into the death of this poor little 9-year-old.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. is a porn company threatening beauty queen carrie prejean? she admits she made a sex tape for an ex-boyfriend. now an adult entertainment company says they have it and they want to make a deal with carrie prejean. they say they're going to distribute this tape basically or else. what options does she have? we'll hit this on a legal front, take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. also call in on this one. i think confusion is the word for many out there. over what women should do concerning mammograms. here's what we have. secretary of health and human services, kathleen sebelius, saying the controversial study we talked about will not influence federal policy. we thought all along these were

the guidelines, that women in their 40s should get yearly mammograms, especially if they're high risk. a new study comes along recommending some women wait until they're 50. what should you do? olivia newton john was on with my colleague, joy behar last night. she weighed in on all this. >> you were in your 40s when you were diagnosed with breast cancer, yes? >> yes. >> how did you detect it? >> i found the lump myself. >> by breast exams? >> self-breast exams. that's why i'm so up in arms that they not advocate we do self-breast exams. it's an obvious thing to do. it's common sense. if you find something that isn't right, you go get it checked out, which is what i did. >> yes. we're going to get to that with the doctor. but i wanted to hear your story. did you follow it up with a mammogram? >> yes, i did. the mammogram was actually negative, which is unusual. i don't say that to scare people. but i instinctively felt something was wrong, so did the doctor. he did a needle biopsy first,

which was also negative, which is uncommon also. i had lumps before and wasn't feeling my best. he did a needle biopsy and found the cancer. i was fortunate. >> there's confusion out there, so what are we to do? what are women to do? are the new guidelines valid? what should we do with them? we're going to clear things up. joining me to talk about this, breast cancer advocate rene siler. she's the director, also, from the -- well, she's done a lot on this. she's on the susan g. koman foundation. first off, how many women are confused out there? you've talked to a lot of women concerning this issue. what's going on in their hearts and minds right now? >> i think this was just an enormous, almost a bomb went off in the middle of this debate. i think women were already a little bit confused about when they were supposed to get

mammograms. a mammogram is not the most pleasant thing to have, and i think a lot of women were sort of putting it off. knowing it was important, but maybe putting it off. i think there was confusion already there. and now this just adds to, you know, makes an issue that was already muddy, even more muddled. >> let me read the statement. this is part of the statement from health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius. the u.s. preventive task force is an outside independent panel of doctors and scientists who make recommendations. they do not set federal policy and they don't determine what services are covered by the federal government. further in the statement, she writes, my message to women is simple. mammograms have always been an important life-saving tool in the fight against breast cancer and they are still today. keep doing what you've been doing for years. talk to your doctor about your individual history. ask questions, and make the decision that is right for you. rene, that's wise advice, isn't

it? >> i think she's absolutely on the money on this. the aspect about talking to your doctor is really, really critical. knowing your family history is very, very important. listening to what olivia newton-john talked about how she felt her own lump through self-breast exam. then she went to the doctor, the first test was negative, the second test was negative, but she said something just isn't right. this whole thing about don't do breast self-exam was really just shocking to me. the. >> i want to bring in dr. carl dorsey. dr. dorsey, let's hit on that point right there. the self-exam. that has proven to be effective. it may not be foolproof, but it's a start, and anything can help save a life, right? >> yes. i agree with that, mike. it's something that does not cost anything. it's something that a woman will get used to doing for her own breasts. she'll understand what her breasts feel like. and it can pick up something

that is not detected by other means. so i agree with you, it's a no-brainer to me to have women examine their breasts, because they know their breasts better than anyone else, obviously. and to me, it just seems not very wise to take that away as a guideline. >> let me read, this is a facebook comment. it doesn't make any sense that the u.s. health chief and the federal advisory board are on two different boats. what the heck is going on here? there's a reason they have such differences and i think it isn't based on facts. it speaks to the confusion there is what she's saying there. what would you tell a woman right now, who comes in and she's confused? >> well, i join the women in saying, we're confused as well. the data that we have clearly

shows that screening mammography have decreased mortality by about 30%. this is not new information. this is information that has been out. there is nothing new that is against this data. then what we hear is a recommendation not to screen women from 40 to 49, and every other year from 50. and we're all wondering why this has changed. my advice to women concerning that is to follow the guidelines that the american cancer society has put out, and still is supporting. so i understand your confusion, and we are confused as well. >> mike, if i could jump in here real quick. one of the things that's frustrating to me is 15% of breast cancer cases is in this 40 to 49 age group.

the other thing that's frustrating is this is for women of average risk. okay? not women like myself who are at high risk. but women who are of average risk. yet we know that most breast cancer cases, there is no family link. there is no gene. most of it really does sort of come out of the blue. so europe's saying that women who are of average risk could be diagnosed, and it's very frustrating. >> that's a great point. we're going to continue this conversation. call in, i'm sure you have questions. let's clear up some of the confusion. you know the number, 1-877-tell-hln.

insurance companies are now going to say we won't pay for this? >> my concern with that is that you have women who don't have the luxury of going in and having a conversation with their doctors. many women in this country are not insured. and they don't have the luxury of saying at the appointment, do i have a mammogram or not. many women will go to a free mammogram clinic, and that is -- we don't want to discourage women getting mammograms just because they cast go in and have a conversation with their doctors. we're talking about tests that they took 1900 women and decided over 50 that one woman was diagnosed. and 1300 women under 49. what we're talking about here are -- >> larry: is not a balance? >> was not a balanced study. >> singer sheryl crow, breast

cancer survivor. mammogram mayhem, did we think those two words would be put together? that's where we are. it's obviously causing some confusion. we're taking your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. charlene is with us in louisiana. hey, charlene, go ahead. >> caller: how are you doing, mike? thank you for taking my call. >> yeah. >> caller: i'm from a family of eight. my mother had five daughters. they say that it's not hereditary. my grandmother had her breasts removed. my great-aunt had had breasts removed. my mother's doctor said, if you have daughters, which she told us she had five, make sure they get their yearly mammograms. and they want -- i have sisters, i'm 58 years old, but i have sisters that are younger than me. what are we supposed to do? >> charlene is actually someone who should talk to her doctor about the bracket gene. that's the genetic component to breast cancer.

the doctor can speak to this more. when you have breast cancer, level after level after level, you might be concerned about a family gene in there that is -- makes you predisposed to breast cancer. >> dr. carl d'orsi, can you speak to that? >> hi from louisiana. i understand what you're saying. and interestingly, to get to your point, most of the cancers that are discovered are not in high-risk women. approximately 75% to 80%, if not more, are in non-high-risk women. so again, obviously if you have some of the risk factors that we know about, that even strengthens the article to get mammography. but i want to make sure that everyone understands that that is not the major sector where breast cancers occur. they still occur in women with an average risk for breast

cancer. >> let me pick up on one thing sheryl crow said before we go, guys. this is a facebook comment. it deals with this as well. the only confusion would be if i were to go to my yearly mammogram and find out my insurance no longer covers it. dr. d'orsi, are you concerned that this is setting the stage for the insurance company to deny? >> yes, i'm very concerned. it's very interesting that this policy has come from a government agency. and it's totally confusing to us that it's a reversal of what they actually signed off on a few years ago. and yes, i am very worried now that companies may have the ability to say, look, this is what the federal government agency says. these are their guidelines. so we're just following the guidelines and we won't pay. yes, that's a fear that i have. i hope it does not happen. >> right. >> but that is definitely a fear that i have. >> but if their doctor

recommends it, won't the insurance company pay for it? if you go to your doctor and your doctor says, yes, you are at high risk, i want you to be screened, won't the insurance company then say yes? >> hopefully they will. i think that's true. but again, we're only picking a narrow sector. and when you exclude the other women, where most of the breast cancers will occur, if we take out that sector, we're going backwards. >> well put. we have to leave it there. doctor, rene, thanks again. hopefully this cleared some things up for folks out there. now this. remember this story? dalia dippolito, hiring a hit man to kill her husband? we have brand-new video showing her in the car with the hit man who's really an undercover cop and she's 5,000% sure she wants hubby dead. but she's still denying it.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. a woman accused of hiring a hit man to kill her husband of six months. undercover policeman set up a elaborate muse, fake murder scene, there's the accused. dalia dippolito, even crying when cops tell her that her husband's dead. >> no, no. >> the police believe all that was an act. fake crocodile tears. buff she'sdenying everything. there's new video with her in the car talking to the hit man, who's really a cop. police interrogation tapes as well. the money moment as well, her in the police department and then

hubby shows up, still alive. that must have been a shocker. let's bring in my friend and colleague, jane velez-mitchell, host of "issues" with jane velez-mitchell. this one keeps giving. now we have the new video out there. what do you make of this? still the denials, even though it's right there on tape for us. >> i'm just astounded by the acting ability of some of these people. it's absolutely amazing. i mean -- >> that was better than her. >> i just couldn't imagine actually doing that. you know, this sort of perverse guts, in a perverse way, but the gall to think of something like this, something out of a bad b movie. and then to actually carry it through. not once, but three times to attempt to do it. in different ways. and then the acting. and i can laugh about this story, because the man thankfully is alive. and when he stepped in there and said, look at me, because she

thought he was dead, she thought that she had actually accomplished her mission to kill him. i think she wanted insurance money and the house or whatever. you know, great reason to take a life, huh? not. >> little regard for life. divorce the guy. come on here. we talk about -- you mentioned, well, let's go in order here. first off, let's show the new video of her in the car who she thinks is a hit man, really it's an undercover cop, and she's sure she wants michael dippolito dead. let's watch that. all right. >> 5,000% sure. she's not crying there. she wants him dead for, what, the house and some cash, right, jane? >> i think her profession is listed as something as professional escort. which kind of gives you an idea of the milieu that she is working in here. so maybe that's one reason she's

coming up with these hellish schemes. but it is a cautionary tale. i'm always astounded at people who attempt always astounded at that attempt these heinous crimes and how they don't realize what they are doing is absolutely absurd and they will be caught. in today's world where there's hidden camera video and audio and undercover cops and all sorts of high-tech gizmos to tech you, you are not going to be able to cook up a scheme like this and get away with it. it will not work. >> that's right. as we just saw, police saw her and knew that they had her. they get him out of there and set up the elaborate crime scene, call her over, did you know anybody that would want him dead? she says, i've never seen this guy before in my life. we've talked about it.

let's watch the moment where husband bee walks in. he's alive. let's watch. >> he's alive. >> come here. come here. please, come here. come here, please. >> she didn't even break character. mike, come here? so they can put a knife in his back? >> i really don't understand. i don't understand the level of self delusion that someone has to be going through, for someone that you used to sleep with, that you said you would be with until the end of time. >> we'll be watching. carrie prejean next. keep watching. y8

tonight, fast breaking developments in this case of little shaniya. she may have been killed for a drug debt. was she sold into prostitution because shaniya's mom owed this man, mario mcneil, money? issues is all over the story as we uncover the allegations of prostitution and murder. and a horrifying hate crime,

too graphic for television. a gay teenager killed, set on fire, arms, legs, and head ripped off of his body. now the gay community is outraged. saying people who lead this type of lifestyle need to be aware that this will happen? how is this possible in the 21st century? and if at first you don't succeed, try, try again a woman trying to kill her new husband three times. she was caught on tape giving an undercover cop instructions on killing her hubby, even telling this woman, her husband was already killed. it's video that you have to see to believe. her performance is worthy of an oscar. "issues" starts right now. major