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>> the drowning of the average citizen's voice and public policy. what is your reaction? >> the liberals have been hyperventilating since this case was accepted to the supreme court. they have been actively participating in that case, submitting friends briefs, not once but twice. they have submitted polling data. they are very interested in their viewpoint and their viewpoint is, in my opinion, that they want last speech.

-- less speech. they want fewer people to participate in the process. i am putting for the first amendment. i am fighting for the average person, including the aclu and planned parenthood, to be able to say their peace without big brother or the government telling them what they can and cannot say and when they can and cannot say it. >> tell us what started all this. >> after announcing her bid for the presidency, fellow democrats, including former clinton confidante and hollywood mogul david geffen, publicly questioned her integrity and faithfulness. -- truthfulness. what is the truth about hillary rodham clinton? >> the recklessness that is born of arrogance, that goes back to her 1960's ruth's and her narcissism. they believe that they are rule under themselves.

every time hillary gets caught in a scandal, she says that they made it up. >> she is deceitful. she will make up any story and lie about anything, as long as it serves a purpose of the moment. the american people are going to catch on to it. >> who is hillary clinton? is surely a trailblazer? or is she ruthless, cunning, dishonest, willing to do anything for power? >> i have the dvd in my hand. that is pretty tough stuff. there's a lot more in it. what was the point of all this? >> is a 90-minute documentary. we felt that having her of being -- having hillary clinton not be in the public eye for many years while she and bill clinton, after they left the white house, until the time that she ran for the u.s. senate, that is a short time.

but she is not out there every day as a national figure. there is an entire generation of young voters who did not know who she was. i felt, with my background, with an organization citizens united, producing as one of our overall efforts, and i felt that we should make a documentary about hillary clinton. we could tell the american people about who she is. so we started down that path. we made a film. we knew what the outcome would be. i did not know what the outcome would be in the courts. but we knew we were going to run into trouble. it happened in 2004. it was not news to us that the federal commission loves to

flex its muscles when it comes to people participating in the political process. so i always have to hire lawyers first before i can figure out what i can say and where i can say it, and so does a remedy in -- so does everybody in america, to be candid. >> when did you first hire the lawyer ted olson to do this? >> i hired ted once we were accepted to [unintelligible] -- the supreme court. i had known ted for almost 15 years prior to this. he is a friend of mine. his wife barbara -- the late barbara olson -- was a dear friend of mine. she was murdered on september 11. she was on the airplane that left dulles international airport. she was flown into the pentagon. i remember getting a phone call from barbara comstock. we were the three musketeers on capitol hill during the 1990's.

to hear the tragedy that was going on that day, we were shaken to the core, my wife and i. to hear that barbara was on the plane was incredible. she was a clinton expert. she knew more about the clintons than anybody. she had written a couple of best-selling books about the clintons. when this film came out, i telephoned ted and asked his permission to dedicate the film to barbara. so she knew about the film. -- he knew about the film from that vantage point of me dedicating it to his wife. but i have known teddy long time. he is one of the greatest

lawyers to set foot in the supreme court. his background is second to none. the is the former solicitor general. he acted as solicitor general against us in the mcconnell case in 2002. before that, he argued bush vs. gore. >> one of the things you try to do with all of the stuff you have been involved in is to connect the dots. on the back of this movie, it says that the executive producer is david bossie and lincoln club of orange county. if you go to lincoln club of orange county and you find someone involved the maid was the president of the lincoln club of orange county who is the head of the gibson dunn and crutcher law firm. >> out there. >> yes. is there any connection?

ted olson worked for the firm. >> no. that is one of the premier and largest law firms. to think that there was a successful lawyer at gibson dunn in los angeles or in the orange county offices that would be involved, where ronald reagan got his start, i don't know who that is. >> and the lincoln club of orange county is one of the executive producers. were they paid? -- does that mean they paid for it? >> yes. they got a lot of their members to support the film. >> how much did they throw in the pot? >> approximately $100,000. the film had a budget of about $1.2 million for production. >> there's another guy who is

connected to the claremont institute. he's a business guy. >> that is right. he is a real-estate guy. he is a terrific friend of mine. he is a wonderful man. he earned his education in the streets of new york. he was a golden gloves boxer when he was a teenager. he is one of these old school businessmen that you only read about these days. there are very few of them left. he is trying to run his business. he is a tremendous man, he and his wife susan. they have become very good friends of my wife and i over the years. we have had a chance to travel together. >> did you go to him for the money or did he come to you and ask you to do the film? >> no. i went to him. we are in the business of making movies. i am out there every day trying to raise money and making

connections. we are nonprofit. we do not have mgm or fox searchlight or lions game behind us. those are all corporations that love to make movies. we just have donors. when i think of an idea, whether it is a book or a movie or a television commercial, i talked to my biggest and best supporters. citizens united has over half a million donors and supporters across the country. we are one of the bigger conservative groups in the country. when i took the group over nine years ago, we had a lot -- we had well less than 100,000 members. we also had a $3.5 million

budget. today, we have more than half a million members. and a $25 million budget. >> how many people work there? >> depending on the amount of movies in production, at anywhere around 25 people. >> how much of your activities are movies? >> credit. -- quite a bit. >> is it everything you do? >> no. we have policy makers and investigative reports. we do the old school petition drives and letter-writing campaigns. that is the old school politics, all the way through the current internet operation and new media. we do short video on youtube. 30-second and 60-second commercials. we make films and we write books. >> here is some more of the movie so that we can get a flavor of what your doing. >> hillary's first effort to socialize health care came in 1993 during her husband's first term widely perceived as a disaster, many say it provoked the republican revolution.

>> u.s. whether or not she has learned from that experience. it was a failure. she knows that it was. it was embarrassing for her. >> where have you seen the government make anything more efficient and less costly and more effective by its present? -- by its presence? >> as i have said on many occasions, i still have scars to show. >> the effort to kill hillary care was a good common sense. americans know a bad fish when they smell when. >> everything hillary wants for america is what candidates do -- can add the -- canada does for all its people. anyone who has five extra bucks in their pocket comes over the border into the united states for health care. >> the clinton team put us

aside. they give us a ceremonial duty thereafter. she was more like a pattern that and eleanor roosevelt. bill clinton realize the past she had made out of the one project to is giving. >> she was visiting china. she visited 74 countries. she did book signing. when the lewinsky scandal happened, she came back to washington. then she led the effort to keep her has been in office. then she spent her time trying to run for the senate in new york. >> where was it scene? was it on television network? >> no, it was against the fcc rules. -- fec rules. i wanted it to be seen. i wanted to be seen far and wide. but i was told by my lawyers --

mccain-feingold people do not understand. it criminalize political speech. when i say that, i mean it. my lawyers told me that it is not a civil penalty any longer. it is not that the sec comes in -- fec comes in and finds you. it is criminal. i could be indicted and imprisoned for five years per count. every time they found a violation, i could be put in prison. to be candid, i am a political guy. i have been around for a long time. i am not a pushover. but i was kind of surprised by my lawyers admonition that you do not really want to do that. we are in non unconcerned when we make their films. where are we going to say enough is enough?

we said, let's do it on film. with the success of making these films and being able to make them and distribute them widely, we want to not have our hands tied. we decided to not let the fec come after us. we actually see them. -- we actually suits them. -- sued them. >> when was the film conceived? >> a film was conceived in 2004. that is when i decided to make our first film. >> your first film about hillary clinton. >> no. >> i met this film. >> 2005. >> how did it start? was it with tried to get rid of -- we did it start with the idea to get rid of the mccain- feingold restrictions? >> back in 2004, we live through the federal election commission's ruling.

it had nothing to do with hillary clinton. hillary clinton was a vehicle, if you will. the movie was a vehicle. we knew that we were going to run into roadblocks because of what happened in 2004. michael moore made his movie and we saw its impact. we decided to try to answer that. we were told by the federal election commission that you cannot. >> there was a decision of the district court where you tried to put it in seven theaters and then try to put it on dvd. >> we did showing in theatres. you can make the movie. you just cannot let anyone know that it exists. i was forbidden to advertise.

that was my point. i cannot put on a 30-second commercial. you could have the primary process in full year. people engaged in the political process. they were looking for information. and i could not put on a tv commercial for a radio commercial that said "coming to a theater near you, hilary the movie" or go buy the dvd out this friday or video on demand, purchase it in your own home. i was precluded because of mccain-feingold, because of the criminalization of that act. >> did you phone and call the lincoln club of orange county? give us that scenario. >> in 2004, michael moore came

up with "fahrenheit 9/11," a very powerful and successful documentary. in my opinion, it did not let the facts give away from a good story from his standpoint. as a political guy, who works in this town and realizes the importance of pushing back and having an answer for this, i did not pick up the phone and call a donor. i pick up the phone and called my political friends aroundñr town and said that we cannot let this stand. they said, nobody knows how to make movies in this town. no conservative, of course. there are plenty of liberals, hollywood is full of them, who know how to make films. from a conservative standpoint, there was not anyone. after being told that and i knew that, i decided that i would do it on my own.

so citizens united produced. i went to hollywood. i called the late ron silver. he is literally one of the two conservatives in hollywood that i knew. today, there are a lot. many have come out of the woodwork to support conservative causes. but i called ron silver. >> there's a picture on your web site for a premiere with you and robert duvall. >> he came to the hillary movie. >> did he help raise money? >> no. he literally just showed up to the los angeles premiere of "hillary the movie" unbeknownst to me.

>> you go out of hollywood and talk to ron silver. >> and another person. i called and said, how do we make a movie and have it out by election day? this was mid-june or the end of june. since july 1, which started producing a film. i went to the federal election commission and filed a complaint against michael moore. he was running commercials that were better at making george bush look bad. i thought, this guy is really creative and has come up with great tv spots. but how can you show them 30 days before the republican convention and 60 days before the general election? it did not follow the same rules. >> you could not do that. >> that is right. that is a blackout period.

those are mccain-feingold lost. it is very complicated. you need to hire a battery of lawyers and accountants before you even start. you don't to be in trouble on your first step. >> did you know that the first time you would end up in the supreme court it would be with "hillary the movie." >> i was hoping so. i spoke with different lawyers, including ted olson, and said that i really thought i had an interesting idea. you never know what happens. it is always hypothetical at that time. but the theory of the case developed early on for me. i walked into my general counsel's office and i told them

what i thought. he said, that is a really good idea. this is a very important point. the federal election commission had an opportunity to make this go away. i went to them in 2004. i said, please, i am just one guy. may i please have the media exception? they said no. >> why not? >> we were not a media entity at that point. we were not considered mainstream media. over 30 years ago, you were one guy with an idea and cameras and they could tell you no. did the founding fathers think

that the new york times corp. and the washington post corporation would be those who had the media exemption? the people who would be protected? those who would have their first amendment rights protected? they had printing presses and they printed flyers and they stood on soap boxes. those are the people that were protected. so i went to the fec and best for the media exception and they said no. >> i found this article from 1998. this comes from "world net daily." the question is who is david bossie?

>> they did not like me very much. >> why not? >> i am my own man. i have always been my own man in this town. i am a conservative. i am a conservative leader. i tried to be the best conservative leader that i can be. but not every conservative -- you never please all of the people of the time. >> he was either extremely incompetent or was intentionally trying to sabotage the investigation. are either one of those true? >> i clearly have an opinion about not being incompetent. >> were you trying to sabotage the investigation of the house fundraising?

>> to be candid, i do remember that now. when that happened, on occasion that is now referred to as the blogoshpere where there are people who do not have any responsibility and just make accusations, i was a hard- working investigator back then. i had a reputation of being fairly brash. i ended up paying the price for that, but i was ok with that. >> the price from? >> being fired. when newt gingrich announces that you have been let go and when he did that, i have not been let go in the sense that

the card was a little bit before the horse. i found out about it live on cnn at the time it was a little bit of a shocker to me. i was a hot water investigator -- whitewater investigator on the senate side. when baldonado was the chairman of the whitewater investigation, i was one of the main investigators there. one of the great old characters from the u.s. senate, working with them and orrin hatch and richard shelby on that committee, that was a phenomenal time in my life. for a couple of years, i worked in the senate. i was actually recognized by some folks on the house side for being for pushing things along on the clinton administration on the white water investigation.

campaign finance was born out of the whitewater investigation. mike was the one u.s. the -- michael chertoff, who ended up being homeland security, he question of all people, webster hubbell, about where he was getting his payouts from. back in the 1990's, he received millions of dollars, hundreds of thousands of dollars in no-work contracts from friends in film. he was the no. 3 in financing. -- in the justice department, and then he had to resign. then he went to prison. he was not a hazard to anyone. he paid his price.

one investigation was born from another. mike chertoff ask the question about foreign money in the senate hearing. that is how we get into the lambeau group and all of the chinese money that went into the clinton campaign. then i left to the senate when the committee wrapped up its work and i went to work for the house of representatives. then i was the chief investigator there. i was the head of the committee. that is where our olson and i worked together. >> where is barbara, stock today? >> she is a delegate in northern virginia. she is trying to deal with snow removal issues. >> you were born where? >> east boston, massachusetts. >> what year? >> 1965. >> that makes you 45.

>> i'd like to say that i just turned 44. i am from november 1965. >> your first political job? >> volunteer or paid? volunteer, i worked in the reagan-bush reelection. i was born and raised in the northeast my entire life. i lived through the carter administration and the first four years of the reagan did ministration. so when it was time for me to vote or to pay attention enough to vote -- my parents were not political at all. my family was not political at all. i was the first registered republican in my house and in

my family, that i know of. it was something new to me. i did not know to be republican, to be candid. i went to register to vote in 1984. i went to the motor registrar's office. as i turned to walk away, she said, you did not put -- in maryland, you are required to put democrats, independents, or republican in the box. i had no idea. i just wanted to be with ronald reagan. she said, i cannot tell you what ronald reagan is. here is "the washington post." go figure it out. she made me sit down in the office there and i read "the washington post" and found that he was a republican and i put that in the box. >> he has maneuvered his way

around a number of political circles. he made himself known as the vice presidential candidate in the bob dole campaign. there was an added a toll-free number [unintelligible] his biggest claim to fame is that he helped in the production of the famous willie horton commercial. is that true? >> i think i was 21 when that ad came out. the answer is no. but if i did have anything to do it, i would be the best ad man in the world. a group of people that i knew made at the ad. i was 21. i was a kid. i did not even get them coffee. i literally did not have anything to do with it.

tony fabrezio and lloyd brown. i knew several people assembled in the dole campaign. that is kind of where i cut my teeth in 1987 and 1988. i had an opportunity to work for senators bob and elizabeth dole. it was a tremendous honor for a young guy. i got to organize college campuses across the country. we had a tremendous team effort. that led me to the leadership institute. if you know anything about conservative youth politics, i had the honor of running their schools.

>> [unintelligible] the senator len andrew issue. >> yes. there is a tremendous group of people who have come from leadership institute training. there are dozens of elected members of congress that have gone through these programs. >> what you did you start running citizens united? >> i went there in 1993 at first as the political director. i was the second employee there. i stayed there for a couple of years. we had grown tremendously as an organization and had been very successful. in the 1992 cycle, i have learned a lot about the clintons. that is where i got my head in arkansas and how the white water

investigation even started. >> there is the story of billy dale, the head of the travel office in the white house. here's a clip. >> the white house travel office affair became known as travelgate. legal bills were estimated to run as much as $750,000. he considered a plea deal. >> blanche and i had been married for 38 years at that time. i decided that i would have to sell my home. could i ask her to give up everything that we had worked for? >> the plea bargain seemed just that, a bargain, in order to save himself and his family from the unending ordeal. but when he was informed that he would not able to proclaim his innocence, he realized that he could not bargain with the truth. >> in the meantime, during this year, i got a notice from the irs that i was being audited.

>> he was investigated. his son and daughter were also subpoenaed. >> i remember vikki, our oldest daughter, telling her mother that, if i was found guilty -- that maybe we should start over. i remembered in my trial, vikki, my oldest daughter, telling her mother that, if i was found guilty and had to go to jail for something i did not do, that she did not know if she could live in this country anymore when the government would be responsible for doing

something like that to her father. >> let me ask you a question about the movie. when he broke down and said to start over, did you ask permission to use him saying that? that is dramatic. >> billy and his family were just tremendous in helping us make this film. it is the old added. everybody reads the criminal complaint on the front page of the paper that you were accused. very few people see that you were found not guilty because it is on page 15 of the paper. he felt that this was his first opportunity -- not to speak for him -- it was really a cathartic moment for him.

he was able to really -- because of what we were doing, showing how ruthless this administration was and what they did to him as an individual. >> where is he now? >> he lives in virginia quietly with his wife. they came to the movie premiere. >> that is him and that we see at the movie premiere. i believe it was at the loew's georgetown. >>we are covering you end the movie and the case, all of this. >> yes. >> you jumped to january where you get the 5-4 decision out of the court. some people say that they are the five republicans are the five conservatives. >> up until this case, nobody put kennedy into the conservative column. >> yes. when you started all of this,

justice o'connor was on the bench and she was a swing vote. did you analyze what it would take to get a 5-4 decision? >> my legal team, during the analysis, felt that we really had three votes from previous writings of previous cases. >> in what year were you figuring this? >> leading up to this case. who were our swing votes? we felt we had three, justice scalia, thomas, and kennedy. kennedy had written extensively on first amendment issues. so we felt that we had those three. our to swing votes were chief justice roberts and justice

alito. you did not know where they were going to be because they did not answer these questions before. >> in 2005-2006 is when they first came on the court. >> the chief justice was. it did not matter. we did not know where either would be in this ruling. >> how much did the whole lawsuit cost you? >> we have spent well in excess of $1 million on the legal fees related to this. >> did you have to raise it for this particular purpose? >> nobody gives to mccain- feingold lawsuits. >> you did not call somebody and said, we're going after this one and we need 50 grand?

>> no. we raised less than $10,000 directly as it relates to this lawsuit. >> you are not getting any more money? >> nobody has called and said, what a great victory and here's a donation. if anybody would like to help us, we would love to have it. we spend about $1.25 million on the production of the film and about the same amount on legal fees. i tell people this all the time. you cannot save the world if you cannot pay the rent. we make movies to try to break even to make the next movie. this movie had bigger meeting for us. it meant that we would be making feature movies. i decided to make this movie when it was you and i and everyone in america who thought that hillary clinton was going

to be the nominee in 2006-2007, she was the heir apparent to the nomination. and then the wheels came off. >> can people by this movie? >> people can go to our website and view all of them. we have a tremendous library. it is not for free. you can go to the web site and see the films, but anywhere from $15 to $20 on the website. >> did you get some feedback and all directly from hillary clinton? >> no. i would love to sit down and have a cup of coffee with early to see what she thinks of the supreme court ruling. she was the vehicle for the case. >> you go back into your own personal history of being very anti-clinton and working very hard to derail them. >> i was not anti-clinton.

i was a guy who felt that it was important to have somebody hold their feet to the fire and get the truth out of them. everybody remembers this. now it has been many years since their white house times, but everybody remembers the document said the leaks and the push back and the 24-hour spin cycle and the book that came out about how the white house had a spin cycle and that they would attack anybody who raise their head. they had the best of the best. we went up against the heavyweights. a respected those guys. i don't know if they respected us. but we certainly respected them. >> do you know [unintelligible] -- eric boehlert?

he works for media matters and wrote a piece about you. he wrote a piece about you. he says stuff like this, "bush's father condemn them for saying that they will stop them from using campaign tactics. they even sent a letter to various supporters. the they ever come to you and say keep going? >> not ever. you have to remember that george bush signed mccain- feingold. he signed the bill that everyone in this town was saying was unconstitutional. i have no way to prove this, but i believe they signed it hoping that the supreme court -- they wanted the political benefit of signing it and felt that the supreme court would

overturn it. in essence, i think they made a tragic mistake. >> he thinks that the press has been really good to you and that you are a friend of the press. the press has been hesitant to discuss or dissect bossie's current role. many news outlets simply identified him as the president of citizens united. but the times is well acquainted with his modus operandi. he has boasted about feeding information to the reporters. did you feed to jeff that information? >> it is not ill-advised or unfounded. he likes to mix fact and fiction.

he is one of the greatest reporters. >> he is in your film. >> yes. he has retired since then. he was not in this film as a current reporter. but in the 1990's, he was one of the top investigative journalists at "the new york times." i worked with dozens of reporters who wanted facts. >> was jeff ideological? is he today? >> no. >> why would he participate in a film he knew you were doing about hillary? >> he trusted me in that it would be a fair film about hillary clinton wrote a book on hillary clinton as well. he has decided in his own mind -- jeff was one of the great

guys to work with in the 1990's. i got the privilege of working with most of the top reporters in this town, those who are the top reporters today. back then, they were cubs. >> [unintelligible] how many years to give in the president? >> 9 or 10 years. >> here's a list of the board members. >> my cell and doug ramsey. >>who is doug ramsey? >> he is a businessman who lives in seattle, washington. >> who is kirby wilbur and how did you get into your board? >> i inherited the board. >> they're still there? >> yes.

>> he is to be a talk-show host. >> yes. he was one of the top conservative talk-show hosts in the country. guest hosts for people like sean hannity. he is one of the cream talk-show host in the country and a conservative leader. >> young america's foundation owns the reagan ranch. >> yes, they do. they turned that into an incredible site. they built a museum in santa barbara near the ranch. it is in honor of the president. >> how does john bliss get into all this? >> he is the only one i did not inherit. he is a constitutional scholar. back in 1992, i have known him

for 18 years or 20 years. he was the chief counsel for the senate judiciary committee's constitution sub-committee. he was the top constitutional lawyer. he is a tremendous guy. >> brian berry. >> i have known him the longest of the mall. i inherited him on the board. when i walk into the reagan- bush campaign headquarters in 1984, i said, i am here. i am 17. i will turn 18 on november 1. that is three days before the general election. i will get to vote. i would like to volunteer. they pointed me to an office and brian berry was the youth director. we have known each other now way too long. >> some people say that that is

the wrong guy for politics. the same thing that would say with somebody on the left. what would you say to somebody who is furious with what is going on in politics? >> first of all, i am the wrong vehicle to be mad at. >> but you make movies. i will give you a chance, but let's show you another clip. >> all of the expenses that i paid for entertainment and costs for various fundraisers for hillary were never legally reported. but because hillary was involved directly, parsley, and indirectly through her agent, in conceding the events, in -- and conceiving the events

soliciting the money to pay for the events, and then coordinating the expenditures for the events, they were violating federal law. >> ladies and gentlemen, the chairman of stanley media, stan lee. >> i want to welcome you all to the hollywood salute. to president william jefferson clinton. >> it was the biggest event ever produced in hollywood for a president. muhammed ali, john travolta, shirley maclaine, share, diana ross, patti labelle, tony braxton, melissa etheridge -- you had over 100 stars. the entire leadership of the democratic party was there. it was a magical party. >> but two days later, the magic was gone.

>> the monday after the event, i got a phone call from ed rendell telling me that "the washington post" was asking questions. hillary clinton would say that she hardly knew me. if i was smart, in order to maintain my deal, i would go along with that. >> the bombshell question hillary's decision to associate with and given his criminal past. the clinton camp declared that they were not aware of it. >> why does a guy like that talk to you? >> i do not know the answer to that question. you have to ask him that. we were trying to find interesting stories. those like billy dell and kathleen lally.

-- billy dale and kathleen williy. maybe people who had heard about it tangentially over the years, but they did not really get the full story. we could take 10 minutes and really tell it in detail, using interviews with them. at the time, he was under house arrest. he was wearing an ankle bracelet and could not leave his home. so we had to go to him. that was in north carolina, if i am not mistaken. so we had a chance to visit with him for a day. it was one of the more interesting interviews. >> in the american political life, what recourse does someone like hillary clinton have when you make a film like this and you disagree with the tenor of this? >> politicians disagree with the tenor or tone of a lot of them.

i can say anything that is not true. if they feel that i have slandered them, they have recourse. they could come and sue me. we are set to release their 14th film in 45 days. >> which one has been the most successful? i would assume that you would say it was this one. >> most people make determinations of what is successful and what is not. that is, in monetary terms. i think we have had several films that fit the very successful model that we would

like to have, one of which is "ronald reagan, rendezvous with destiny," which i did with newt gingrich. >> you were fired by newt gingrich. now you were seen with him everywhere. >> how did that happen? >> he was the speaker of the house. thehe was the no. 3 person in line for the white house. he was a busy guy. he did not just focus on my investigations back in the 1990's. yes, he did fire me. yes, he remembers that. but the reality is that it took as many years to get back together. but we have been incredible friends for many years now. >> what did you have to do to

get back together? did he come to you or did you go to him? >> we ran into each other. it was at cpac, the largest conservative gathering in the country here in washington. it is a wonderful event. i go for a little bit here and there at each conference. i ran into a new gingrich and his book had just come out and it was a best seller. it was a walk through washington, d.c. and our founding fathers. i told don that i would love to turn that into a film. that has been a tremendously successful film. >> -- i told him that i would love to turn that into a film. that has been tremendously successful film. >> [unintelligible]

>> these very successful people have big books, which is wonderful and they deserve id. >> de you have people who participate in documentary's? -- do you have to pay people to participate in documentaries? >> we really do not. every once in awhile, we have a stipend. most of the time, we do not. >> it is all the same folks you see on television now, and called her and the like. we just saw nick and [unintelligible] their same people just moving around in different venues. >> when it is is that i am making a movie. what i would like to do is that it be successful. i want to market it. the more you have known entities in the films, the easier it is to market it. we have "perfect valor" coming out with fred thompson.

it won best film at the g.i. film festival. >> there's a picture of your wife on the website. which one is she in the picture with the group of women? >> she is the blonde next to the gentleman. that is my wife susan. >> when you started all of this, you were single. you now have three children. >> i was single and i live in a fire house. i was a volunteer firemen for 20 years. i live in the firehouse alter the 1990's. i moved in in 1990 and i moved out in 2000. >> what drives you, money, politics? >> i am conservative first. i have been a conservative my whole life.

i was born and raised in east boston in the city. it is not a conservative place. as i said earlier, i was the first republican in my family. now there are many that have turned from independents and democrats to republicans. but the point is that i am a movement conservative. i have learned to believe that smaller government and less government intrusion gives people the greatest of opportunity. >> would you change any of the tactics you had used in the past. some people have referred to you as a modern-day donald sagretti. >> i call it a full contact sport. people who play this game and understand it -- it is the old godfather. it is not personal. it is just business.

in this town, you have to take that to heart. you have to have a thick skin. you google citizens united and there are a lot of people who say a lot of nasty things. they do not know. they make it appeared they connect dots that are not connectable. that is fine because i have a thick skin. i know what i am doing. i have a great partner in my wife who supports everything that i do. now have three kids. i am a full-time dad as well. >> where did you meet your wife? >> mark kirk, when he was first running for congress, he was a former staffer with me and she was volunteering to help him. i met her there. >> he is now running for the senate in illinois. >> yes. >> thank you. we are out of time.