they are a powerful force in the country that has taken action to support iran's nuclear program and taken action to repress the universal rights of its citizens and to facilitate its state sponsorship of terror which led the treasury department just last week to tighten sanctions on the irgc. our policy of the engagement is not for the sake of simply engaging. this is not talk for the sake of talking. engagement is a means toward an end. if iran is unwilling to constructively take part in that and change their behavior, then the president -- as the president said and the russians and french said they are not

changing their behavior, we will have concert -- they will have consequences. . . i think that the pakistanis realize that the extremist threats near the border were not just threats outside of their country, but to their country. they require strong action >>.

>> do you think it is a reflection of the new ports policy of the obama administration? >> they are engagement, we have seen an increased amount of cooperation with them. we are working constructively with them. we are meeting with them regularly. we have better intelligence- sharing capability. i do not think it is an either or -- an either/or. it plays a big part in changing their actions. >> over the weekend, senator lindsay gramm suggested that john brennan stepped down -- step down.

>> i reiterate what i said last week. nobody could hope for in this administration or in the previous administration in which he served to stand up a national counter-terrorism center. john brennan is doing everything he possibly can every hour of the day to keep this country save. the men and women like him who work to keep our country save, weho dummy thank you -- we owe them a thank you. >> some of the criticism of the obama administration and the criticism of farm policy serve to aid terrorism is what he

said. >> what john pointed out is that these are not a giant man. these are not great people. again, john's service dating back over two decades is something to be commended. >> does the present agree with the language he used? >> -- does the president agreed that the language -- agree with the language he used? >> he hopes it is something that will unite us in our efforts in afghanistan and in activities that are taking place around the world that will make this country said. >> [unintelligible] >> it seeks to divide and makes us working together much more difficult. >> you may have heard that a

vice-president cheney was on tv. he has a lot of criticism here and he has been doing this for over a year. when you have a high capture of the taliban leaders, is there an indication that you are prosecuting militarily? >> we're not looking for vindication. the president has taken strong steps to make sure that we are doing everything we can to keep their country said, whether that is taking steps to eliminate that threat, taking steps to capture those who pose harm to our soldiers and their security. candidly, watching the vice- president this weekend, i have said this before, but i felt

that was more apparent this weekend that the vice president seems to have been engaged in a number of policy battles in the previous administration. it appears that he had great battles with the department of justice and the attorney general. he had battles with the state department. theseçó appearances, given whate has said this weekend, seemed more focused in litigating those battles from seven years, six years ago, five years ago, more than anything. >> there are some liberal commentators that are upset. the former vice president still thinks that waterboarding should be on the table. commentators are saying what is the current president doing

about this? the current president says that waterboarding is torture and it is illegal. >> what are we going to do? >> we have a vice president who says that we have waterboarded and should still be waterboarding when the current president says that it is against the law. >> his criticism is not anything new. >> what about what happened before? >> we have gone through that. the president focused on moving forward. i think the actions around the activities of the bomber on christmas day demonstrate that leading to professionals to make these decisions is far

preferable than getting into the political back-and-forth. as a bit of an aside, one thing that i was struck by when i watched these interviews was the number of things that are now being reputed when this administration does them and the lack of being able to go back and search transcripts and interviews and find that criticism when the same thing happened over the eight years of the bush administration. richard reid was redeyes five minutes after he landed in boston -- was mirandized five minutes after he landed in boston.

they defended how he was being handled. in a completely analogous situation, everybody is a critic. that is when it comes to how someone is interrogated. you heard the vice president's red herring. military commissions are not about interrogating. they are about educating. the idea of military commissions is moot. the vice president said that they could have maintained him in military custody. they made a definitive decision not to do that. the attorney general confirmed the fact that they're moving him

into the civilian court system. i think building of of what several people have said, are you going to take the steps that are necessary in a bipartisan way to keep our country safe or are you more interested in playing a political game? the president and others are far more interested in keeping this country safe rather than the volley of talking points and pressure. >> on nuclear power, the president offered an olive branch to the republicans. he said he will have a bipartisan panel the side. the country has been trying to figure that out for years and years. this administration said that they will take yucca mountain of the table. will the bipartisan panel able to put everything on the table or is yucca mountain off the

table. >> what has taken yucca mountain off the table as far as a long- term solution for a repository for our nuclear waste is the science. the president has a panel headed by lee hamilton with able individuals to help decide a problem -- i think the nuclear policy after 1986 is what began the process of collecting money to build a long-term nuclear waste repository. this is something the country has struggled with for several decades. we have also struggled with the fact that, as the demand for electricity generation and power has increased, we have not build any additional nuclear facilities in 30 years.

the president believes that we need a bounce approach. he made good on the balanced approach today. -- that we need a balanced approach. he made good on a balanced approach today. it will create a market for cleaner energy sources. >> if you cannot find a place to put the waste, the country will still be stuck any will not be able to build nuclear reactors. >> again, this policy began in 1986. we are in 2010. the president understands that, in order for this to be the type of source that needs to be in the future, we do have to seek a permanent storage facility for

the waste. he believes in this commission will be charged to do that. >> what is the responsibility of this ministration to make sure that the latest alleged captive from the afghan taliban is not waterboarded or tortured? is it to the administration's responsibility to make sure that waterboarding does not happen by pakistan's security forces? >> i am not going to get into the details surrounding any of these events right now. >> it is a question of policy, not to this particular case. >> i would be happy to talk about it off-camera. >> switching topics then to the stimulus recovery act. tomorrow is the anniversary, i

believe. what is the number of jobs now that the administration believes they have created? how are you counting them? >> let me give you the see a -- the cea report. i can also send you the non- partisan -- the congressional budget office was something close to 6.4. as you know, there is a website for recipients statistics for a portion of -- >> that is precisely my point. >> i think that is very much in the same ballpark. >> it does not sound like counting jobs if they differ by half a million. >> you should call the other

over at the congressional budget office. -- you should call the othdog ot the congressional budget office. >> i want to hearing from you. >> they have pieces of legislation that we consider gives us budgetary and policy impact scores. i would point to a report that says that is how many jobs were created. look at the recipient reports. again, they cover a portion of the recovery act. but we have seen hundreds of thousands of teachers that, as a result of pretty drastic cutbacks by state local government funding, required to be laid off. schools would have been likely

closed as a result of those harmful budget cuts. that is why the recovery act has a significant amount of state and local assistance to ensure that police and firefighters and teachers and of the like are not laid off. >> i ask this because a recent poll had one number that leaves out at you. when u.s. people has the recovery act created jobs, 6% say yes. either they are massively confused by these numbers for you have done a bad job at selling this and convincing people. >> it could be plus or minus 6%, based on your example. >> why you think it is so small? >> i think we're living in an

environment where the unemployment rate is 9.7%. i think we're living in an environment where 8.4 million people since december 2007 have lost their jobs. let me give you the answer the president would give when they ask him about his approval ratings. i am sure it is very true when you call somebody who lives in elkhart, indiana, whose unemployment has come down in the last year, but is still probably 30% or 14% -- 13% or 14%. an entire industry of motor homes has been decimated. if you live in elkhart, you had just lost your job and your wife has lost her job. you are stuck figuring of how you will play for your kid's

education and sunday asked you how is the recovery act working? >> [unintelligible] >> the problem is that 8.4 million people since december 2007 have lost their jobs. the frustration of economic anxiety did not start in december 2007. it is going back for 10 years where people have seen their wages decline, people have work longer and harder, they have seen productivity rise, yet the money in their park it does not rise. home values have plummeted and continue to have a hard time sustaining their value. we have gone through an economic trauma of like anything that we have seen in this country since the late 1920's. i think that is a significant

number. >> on the taliban leader, if it is so public that we have captured him, why is it so public if it is in danger in the mission by [unintelligible] >> i am not going to do this. i said i was not going to. any time classified information becomes public, it is never helpful. >> one person said that if they could create one job in the private sector, that is more than congress has done. do you agree with that? >> i think we have seen continued job loss. i think the president has outlined steps and we need to

see congress act on them. they're going to take the first of those steps when they go back into recess. >> [unintelligible] >> i think people are frustrated with job growth. i have used this statistic before. if you take any jobs were lost in the most severe recession in most people's memories, the early 1980's, and comerica -- and compare that to the job loss in the early 1990's, and compare that to the job loss in 2001 and 2002, add them up together and you do not have the job loss that uc since december of 2007. of course, people are frustrated. >> why is it about the environment that kevin was

complaining about? the system is broken and the senate is broken. does the white house except any blame for this? >> i think that what evan bayh identified [unintelligible] >> why do you think he did not want to stick around and help? >> i have had this conversation. people use -- you and i have had this conversation. people use various reasons. someone with a $14 million electoral bank account is not worried. the president is frustrated with of the way washington works. the american people are frustrated with the way washington works.

the question is what are you going to do to fix it? the president is trying to do all the weekend to make this -- all that he can to make this work. >> [unintelligible] what do you think he meant by that? he said that he had a problem knitting together everything that you had been trying to do. >> we have been dealing with something unforeseen by the administration in 80 years. >> [unintelligible] [laughter] >> is this something that was hanging out there six weeks ago? >> someone on the outside says that you could be doing [unintelligible] do you not except the criticism?

>> i do not know what that statement is based on. i have not read whenever you are referring to -- whenever you're referring to -- whatever you are referring to. we have been dealing with an extraordinary amount over the past year. we are working desperately to fix it. >> the president reiterated today his desire to have a comprehensive climate change energy bill. did he secured -- before announcing the nuclear reactor permits, did he secure any kind of concessions from the republicans? did they say, all right, we're going to come to the table on

cap and trade? >> now there is a process that you could probably call tri- partisan to seek a comprehensive solution, the likes of which the president talks about. there was not a negotiation around this. the president believes that this has to be one aspect of the way we generate power in this country. i think the president -- the cheapest way to do it is to have a coal-fired power plant. but even those operators understand that this is not the way of the future. the way of the future is to set a market for the innovation around clean energy. one of the ways that is done is

through a capt. trade comprehensive -- a cap and trade comprehensive energy source. >> it would take care of that coal plant, but it would basically only cover about 40% of the economy. is that something that the white house would consider? >> let me check with carol and others. i have not seen the proposal. we took steps in the recovery plan and have taken steps as a result of increased fuel mileage requirements, different ideas of that to deal with the largest sector of greenhouse gas emissions, which is transportation. >> there is an effort in the senate and in the house as well

to jett -- to legislatively prevent the epa from having its regulations on greenhouse gases. would the president veto legislation on something like that? >> i don't know how that legislation would work. obviously, we would not support that because what the epa is doing -- they were instructed to do this as a result of a lawsuit by states to regulate those dangerous gases. >> you said last week that the president would be coming out with his commission to have a -- with a debt commission could do you have a timeframe? >> yes. >> [unintelligible] >> i am sure they are having conversations with people who are interested.

first and foremost, those that are in indiana have to decide whether they are interested in running or not. >> what will the chief of staff tried to dissuade it? >> i don't know all the conversations that senator biden has had with all the people in washington and -- senator bidebh has had with all the people in washington and in indiana. i am sure that he is taking into account in a lot of criteria. >> you are on tour. are you sending out all these tweets -- you are on portetwitt.

are you sending out all of these streets? -- these tweets? >> it is an avenue through which our boys would be valuable. it is fascinating -- which our voice would be valuable. it is fascinating since i have joined it, i have enjoyed all of you commenting on figure skating and all manner of -- [laughter] >> there's a tremendous amount of information that we all get and have to read through each day. this is certainly one way to see

a lot of that information in front of you. it is an interesting thing to watch. >> how do you think a 140-word limit would work in this discourse? >> i do not know yet. i have not -- i have tried to type those out and the number at the bottom is neativegative something. i am sure my son can help me with that. >> are you guys confirming his

capture? >> i am not talking about that from the podium >. >> on the greek debt crisis, how concerned is the president? >> as part of the economic debt rating to date, director summers and dr. romer all talked to the president about the situation in europe and gave him an update on what was going on, on the challenges that the greeks and the larger be you face. -- the larger eu face. the president believes that the eu is capable of dealing with this situation he has monitored through news reports and what

larry, 10, and dr. romer had told him. -- larry, tamim, and dr. romer have told him. >> how can a president who has conducted more prime-time appearances in his first year -- >> he did six, actually. >> i stand corrected. >> i could have twittered that. [laughter] >> how come the american public does not know precisely what he wants? >> he talks about it every day.

the median is segmented -- the media is segmented. we are asked why the president the summit in areas. people get their information from so many -- what the president does so many interviews. people get their information from some many places. -- from so many places. >> the strategy also reminds people that the president is the agent of change. it would seem that what is in the way it is old washington ways, partisanship. why can you not affect some change in that? >> we try.

with the presidency does not come the magic wand for changing the way this town works. you have heard the president say how he thinks this town can work better in his state of the union. we can take steps to ensure that foreign corporations cannot unduly influenced our elections based on what the supreme court decided. contacts with lobbyists are reported more readily so that people understand that, if you are the hat -- understand if you're working on behalf of the people's interest or not. >> the climate action partnership is now without the support of conocophillips, bp, caterpillar, who have all announced that they are dropping

out. when is your reaction? -- what is your reaction? >> i would be happy to see that. i have not read it yet. >> as i remember it, the president has always talked about nuclear energy and additional oil drilling as part of a comprehensive package that would include climate change legislation. by peeling off this piece of it, is he giving away one of his trading ships that he can use with the republicans? >> no. there are two things. as a part of energy legislation that went through congress, it opened up the possibility for loan guarantees to stabilize and

incentivize an industry that had dwindled because of new construction over 30 years. the president demonstrated in his budget a desire to see more loan guarantees in the future. the president said it in the state of the union and in the meeting with republican leaders in congress. mitch mcconnell said, we support nuclear energy. we support offshore drilling. the president said, mitch, you will be happy with what we do. i don't think there's anybody who will tell you that today's announcement alone or more of simply doing what we did today will salt all of our energy problems. -- will solve all of our energy problems.

there is solar, wind, biofuel, electric, coal. not one of those things will solve all those problems. by incentivizing clean energy, we have the ability to take the steps we need to lessen our independence -- lessen our dependence on foreign oil. we are certainly willing to be part of this dialogue. we are heartened by senator gramm working with senator lieberman and senator kerry on comprehensive legislation that will get through the senate. >> do you see it as sending a pretty clear message to the republicans more broadly on comprehension climate change?

>> i think the president said that he was going to make some decisions on energy that might not make everybody in his party completely comfortable. again, that goes back to what i said a minute ago. there is no energy silver bullet. only by working together and increasing our investment across a broad spectrum will we be able to deal with all our problems. i think the president's announcement today demonstrates his willingness to take part in that comprehensive discussion about a comprehensive piece of energy reform. >> when you came into office a year ago, a lot of you were grumbling that he would have to give up your social media, like facebook. >> i am not nearly as young and

hip as -- >> clearly. [laughter] >> you are not supposed to readily agree with that. [laughter] >> have you somehow result security concerns? >> this has gathered some attention on the internet when i said that our computers did not have access to twitter. obviously, we cannot go -- there are sites that are blocked from government computers. for me to get on a site like twitter, the computer guys had to go do whatever the computer guys do. [laughter]

that is why we have computer guys. dating back, presidential records require that, if i go on a site like this and send a message, that message has to be archived for the future, just like any e-mails that i sent or get. we can change the settings on our computers. it requires not just the i.t. guys, but an explanation. just as anybody would not fear sending an e-mail, i do not think anybody should fear going

on web sites and reading what we write or responding to what we write based on the presidential records act. it is simply intended to preserve the paper and the electronic records of the administration. >> the president has talked about the health care summit and he wants to use it to establish what the problems are and laid on the facts in front of the american people. can you put in little meat on the bone and talk about how he envisions this summit working? how will he do that within a short span of a day? >> we understand some of the issues involved. i think we are toward the end of the solution-finding.

we understand the questions that the president laid out during his state of the union, particularly around cost, how you will give access to the millions that cannot afford health care coverage, and lay out the plan as he sees it, hoping that others have been invited and that others will give information to those who have been invited to lay out in a detailed way what their solutions are for cutting costs , for providing reforms for insurance, and for providing access and coverage to those who currently lack health insurance. the backdrop of what we have talked about for almost a year is that we have seen what has happened.

-- we have seen what has happened to the individual insurance market. people are getting letters in the mail now. they got them in california. your health insurance will go up 40% from last year to this year. that is a preview of what is going to happen if we do not do anything. interestingly, the company that previously fought health insurance, they said they would do this because we did not have health reform. i would say to that in short, welcome to the game. help us by being part of the solution by cutting costs and raising coverage. >> [unintelligible] are you expecting cost of proposals on the spot? >> in engaging some person

about their proposal, will the present as the fundamental questions he has on cost cup -- will the president asked the fundamental questions he has on costs and reform? yes. the american people can watch and engaged in discussion on these facts. >> republicans say that we can afford to cover 30 million people. we fundamentally disagree with your goals. >> that will certainly be part of the discussion. understanding the proposal that the president laid out is that it is paid for and does not add to the deficit. or the next 20 years, it lessens -- over the next 20 years, it lessens the obligation the government has. it would provide access and help

for those who do not have it. but i think that everyone will get a chance to watch and see it. we know the problems that people have. we know that small businesses are being crushed by these costs. we know that if you work in the individual market, you're getting this letter that your insurance is going up. the question is what is washington going to do, working together, to address that problem? the president will lay out his ideas. i would expect that republicans and others will lay out theirs. if they say that we cannot help the guy in the individual market, he is on his own, then you have the parameters of that debate. >> have the republicans accepted the invitation? they have indicated that they have not accepted it.

would the president go ahead with just to the democrats and have a televised work session on it? >> right before the president issued the invitation, the thing that each of these individuals were hoping for most was an opportunity to sit down on television and discuss and engage on these issues. not accepting an invitation to do what they have asked the president to do, if they decide not to, i will let them lipa the chasm that is there and tried to explain --le let them leap the chasm that is there and tried to explain why. >> some say it is a trap. >> how so?

everybody that is in washington that works in the executive branch and the legislative branch were sent here as part of representative democracy to solve problems. that is what this is intended to do. >> [unintelligible] is on his turf and he is the one convening it. he is issuing the invite. >> the invitees are the relevant committee chairs and members who dealt with the legislation. it is not that we have invited to people that you have never heard of and all of the smart guys are coming with us. i do not think that the the republicans would say that the people we have invited -- that the republicans would say that the people we have invited could

whip them into dealing with the people that are charged by congress to deal with budget issues. i don't know where the home court advantage is? >> [unintelligible] >> according to her, we have not heard that the era original invitees -- we have not heard that the original invitees have accepted. >> [unintelligible] >> i do not have the specific time yet. but it will be one for you and others around the country to work out a plan. we will have a chance to go through that process. i hope that those that are coming, because they have asked for it -- we need to see what --

the american people need to see what we are discussing. >> will be -- will he be in the position to have to point out his own proposal up there? >> stay tuned. >> there have been several rounds of talks with the chinese government without tangible results. is the president hopeful for some kind of movement? >> the president would simply encourage the two parties to continue to talk. >> the president is meeting with the talia lama -- with the dali lama on thursday. >> i would not guess what it would go over what they might not. >> [unintelligible] >> i do not know the answer to that. >> if your tweets are part of

the white house records, are the ones that you are receiving or following the part of the record itself? does that constitute receiving a message? >> meaning what? it took me a year or so to get on this. i might not be the guy -- >> would it be part of the record? >> i believe they are. i do not know that every side i have visited on the internet has been documented for the presidential record. >> it is basically a message. >> i can check on it. >> [unintelligible] [laughter]

>> there is an incredible number. >> when a second. michael, how many followers? i do not want to compare. >> do your followers become part of the federal record? >> i will ask the lawyers. >> [unintelligible] [laughter] >> wendell, if you send me any milk, -- send me an e-mail -- >> [unintelligible] [laughter] >> in eight years, i am sure that the archivist will be entertained by yours. again, if you e-mail -- congress

long ago passed a law that interactions on e-mail have to be archived. they are not released for some time durin. >> it is easier to e-mail you than to fall you on twitter. >> one of the reasons that you cannot just log on to that computer and get onto a site like that is because interactions with us are governed by -- we follow the laws -- governed by the presidential records act. that should not scare anybody in. judging -- that should not scare anybody. judging from what i have

received, it does not. [laughter] >> there is concern that there will be high casualties. do you worry that this will undermine your government? [unintelligible] >> i understand that the size and scope of this operation has not been seen in the history of the war of afghanistan care. working together with our allies in the region, with isaf, taking the steps that are necessary both militarily and coming in behind them that with economic development shows a better way

of life and will show why that is important on a military and civilian level. we always regret, in any way, the loss of civilian life. i think that always makes the job, what you have to do, that much tougher. as i said, we regret that. this operation, however, demonstrates the security forces in afghanistan and working with others as partners to make progress against the taliban >> . >> [unintelligible] >> i do not want to get ahead of what we post.

once we posted, we will have more time to discuss it. >> looking at indiana and delaware, for the lack of one particular democratic candidate , keeping them democratic is diminishing. is there anything the president can do? >> the reports that i saw before i came out here was that there had not been a qualifier for the seat in indiana. as i understand it, the central committee will select a democratic nominee among those who wish to run. the notion that we do not have many exceedingly credible, well qualified candidates on our side is very premature to say.

i think the same is true of our candidates in delaware. . i think that the president can do is to work each and every day to create an environment for hiring in the private sector, to take the steps necessary to keep our country safe and secure. i think that is the best way ford for us -- best way forward for us. >> representatives of the wind and solar industries' love all tax breaks that you guys are providing them. but one of the more important things you can do is put solar

panels on the white house. in shanghai, you were not prepared to discuss it. can you? >> i do not want to get ahead of the architects around here. i doubt that a small wind turbine is in the offering. i know there has been a discussion of solar panels. >> about the tax break, the state of wyoming is a big producer of wind power. you're not considering taxing that? it is -- is it a good idea to tax an industry that is already struggling? >> i do not know what is being proposed. i can simply talk about what the efforts are that have gone into when production tax credits that the president has supported for years and which we enhanced and

increased in the recovery act, which has led to dramatic increases in wind energy production and in the capabilities for future generations at a time when the industry felt like -- because of the lack of credit in the larger and broader economy -- that investment in wind energy projects around the country would likely -- you would see a regression in that. as a result of the recovery act, we have seen greater and enhanced investment at a time of economic uncertainty which has allowed the industry to grow exponentially like never before. the president considers it a good investment of money as we

create our own energy from the wind and less than overall our dependence on foreign oil -- and a lesse -- and lessen overall our dependence on foreign oil. >> you talk about extremists. >> i would have to go back and look at the transcript. i think i said at calcutta and its extremist allies. -- i think a said al qaeda and its extremist allies. i was pretty clear about the type of activity we were talking about. >> on iran, you said you wouldn't rule out military consequences. >> i would not rule out anything. our focus has been on the process of engagement.

the iranians have, at virtually every turn, either ignored or disregarded that engagement. that demonstrates to the world that its nuclear program is not of the means and tight that they have tried to convince others that it is for. as a result of that, not living up to their responsibilities, the consequences will follow. the lot -- the letter that has gone to the ñiieu outlines the conditions for dealing with iran. thank you.

on twitter.com absolutely free market >> president obama announced the $8 billion in federal loan guarantees for new nuclear plants, the first to be built in the u.s. in 30 years. president obama made that announcement today. . georgia. president obama making that announcement today. also today part of this week they are focusing on the one year anniversary of the stimulus spending. and president obama sending the vice president and other members to talk about jobs created. vice president biden is in saginaw michigan today at a jobs training facility there. it was about a year ago that the stimulus bill was passed by stimulus bill was passed by congress and signed into law.

$787 billion in economic stems if you go c-span.org to. , you can look at where that money is being spent but . they are talking about job creation. that is that c-span.orgstimulus. you will find dvd's on our capital and supreme court. our series on presidential libraries in nearly every c-span program, has a collection of coffee mugs and other c-span accessories. look for these and other gift- giving ideas at c- span.org/store. >> foreign policy magazine has an article this month about it ministration's use of predator drones in afghanistan. they talk about this for 45 minutes bu.

host: mark thiessen is here to talk about the use of the drones in afghanistan. first, i want your impression on the story. a top commander in the taliban is captured. he is the highest ranking taliban figure to be cut since the 2001 invasion of afghanistan. how important is this to the u.s.'s overall mission in afghanistan? guest: it is very important, and a very different approach to the strategy. he is potentially a treasure trove iof the information. let's just hope we do not read him his miranda rights. but this is also part of the criticism coming from those from

the republican party. they are criticizing our ability to interrogate leaders. our goal is to change of policy. host: with regard to interrogations, who should be taking the lead? u.s. military, intelligence, or afghan security? guest: this meter is being held, not by the united states, but by the pakistani intelligence services, and is being questioned by them. when president obama issued his executive order, he said, effective immediately, any one in custody of the u. s., owned by the department of the united states shall not be subject to any interrogation techniques or approach, or treatment that is not listed in the army field manual.

if you see the big loophole, the pakistani prison, where he is being held, is not a facility owned or operated by the united states, and is not being interrogated by an officer under the control of the united states. so barack obama has a policy and of moral preening when it comes to interrogation. pakistan, i suspect, has not requested a copy of the army field manual. let me read you a statement from the human rights report. the reports aren't that security forces and intelligence forces torture individuals, occasionally resulting in death or serious injury. on one hand, he is taking the moral high ground, but he is also outsourcing the interrogations to the pakistanis.

host: let us talk about the use of drones in the afghan war? . why does the obama administration depends so heavily on them? guest: they are very useful. they can hover over areas without being in danger. they can be deployed quickly when there is a time-sensitive situation. they are very important tools in the war on terror. host: your article, dead terrorists tell no tales, in your opinion, is the use of these drones going too far? guest: it is not the use, but they are being used as for interrogation and capture.

a dead terrorists cannot tell you about a future attack. there was a story that said u.s. pursues of canada. it tells the story of the leader of al qaeda in east africa from september of last year. the military wanted to take him in for questioning. they went to the white house and asked, should we kill him or take him alive? they order to kill him. he was the top leaders in east africa. he could have told us their plans. the white house chose to kill him instead of capturing him. a senior military leader was quoted to the reason as to why, and he said we do not have a detention policy to hold high value terrorists. so we do not have the ability to detain and effectively in terror

get top terrorist leaders who can tell us their plans for -- interrogate top terrorist leaders who can tell us their plans for the future. sometimes you do have to kill them. a dead terrorist is better than one who is at large. at the same time, you cannot get intelligence other than through the delicate -- interrogation to see what future attacks can be. i interviewed general michael hayden. one of the things he explained was, intelligence is like putting together a puzzle. you have thousands of pieces on the table, but you cannot look at the picture on the box. to fit the pieces together, you have to interrogate the senior leaders who know what the picture on the cover of the box looks like.

and when you capture khalid sheikh mohammed, or one of the people that the bush administration interrogate, they are not only giving you intelligence, but they are telling you how the intelligence you have fits together. that is how we can stop terrorism. host: we are speaking to marc thiessen of the hoover institution. we are talking about how interrogations kept us safe, as well as the use of the drones in afghanistan. republicans, 202-737-0001. democrats, 202-737-0002. independents, 202-628-0205. our first call comes from charles. orange, connecticut. caller: good morning.

hopefully everyone is having a good morning. mr. hoover man, that is in reference for who you work for. all want to keep this short and simple. when is this going to stop? here we are using the same military, the same tools, okay, everything, in a war that has been going on for about 10 years. nothing has changed. the man who your support did not do his job. had we done this job, we would not be having this conversation. when you step up to the plate in a baseball game and you do not

hit, it is up to the manager to put you on the bench. when you fight, instead of assisting the administration, you are helping the enemy. guest: criticizing the administration's policy because you think it is putting the country at risk is assisting the enemy? caller: no, let me finish. this is the problem, the infighting in the country. the other day, susan had a congressperson on. host: that is ancient history. i need a question. caller: this is the united states of america. have you been in the military? guest: no, what does that have to do with anything? host: we are going to move on.

caller: thank you for taking my call. thank you for coming in to give us a bit of insight. my question is, are these things accurate, is the military making sure that these things are not killing civilians? how accurate are they, what is the likelihood of them breaking down? guest: they are very accurate, but the fact is, sometimes civilians are killed. a few months ago, it reported drone attack was used to kill a senior taliban leader. he was found and killed, and in his house, visiting was his father-in-law.

family members were apparently killed and injured. the administration had said that we violated american values in the war on terror by interrogating terrorists. this is an example of hypocrisy from the obama administration. we do not have to make a choice between this and our ideals. but the president is signing a death warrant when he signs off on to these things. arguably, it is not a morally superior choice. if you kill women and children along with the terrorists, why would you do that instead of capturing him and interrogating him? the president is open to the charge of hypocrisy and he is only -- and he is making not only morally-tricky dick choice strategic choice.

there is a military and the end intelligence component to this. host: next up is a springfield, ohio. the line for republicans. caller: good morning. i wanted to tell your guest, i love bush. i wish he was back. my question is, [inaudible] guest: i think what she is saying is these terrorists need to be held as enemy combatant, not as common criminals. i could not agree with you more. the problem is, the cia had a program to interrogate these

leaders. in the bush administration, we interrogated over 100 terrorist leaders. questioning produced unbelievable amounts of information. according to the cia, half of what we knew itabout al qaeda came from interrogations. when khalid sheikh mohammed was captured, unbeknownst to us, they were planning an attack in karachi. they were planning to blow up our marine camp in the movie using a water tanker filled with explosives. they were on their way to recruit terrorists to fly airplanes into heathrow airport and downtown london. khalid sheikh mohammed have actually developed a cell in southeast asia that would fly an

airplane into the library tower airplane into the library tower 14 men were waiting out in pakistan awaiting orders. we saved a lot of lives. barack obama was very address. host: our next call comes from cambridge, illinois. caller: good morning. you have criticized the current administration's separate deterred drones. i think that is valid. we all know that the bush administration used pritchard drones as well. the previous administration's a torture was criticized not only for the morality and international standards, because of its effectiveness. the questionable intelligence obtained from the torture of terrorists curveball' was one of the reasons we used to justify iraq.

i think this bait and switch to try to suggest that there is hypocrisy when the fundamental quality of intelligence from torture is unreliable. that is the fundamental reason we do not use it today. host: it is not torture. we did not torture anybody. pakistan does torture people according to the state department report. barack obama is outsourcing hour interrogation to the extent we capture anybody. hour interrogation to them. so the hypocrisy charge stands. s to the effect this, you are wrong. -- best to the effectiveness, you are wrong. that was in question until the obama administration looked at all the documents and found unequivocably that this program was successful. obama had accused us of torture,

said that the program did not work, and it is absolutely false. that is what my book is about. before waterboarding, clique check muhammed was defined. -- khalid sheikh mohammed was defiant. he would say, soon enough, you will know. after waterboarding, he became the most prolific detainee in u.s. custody. he ran glasses on al qaeda where he grew schematics on how they operated, with their command structure was, how ya usama bin laden communicated, how they chose targets. this was invaluable information that we knew almost nothing about when we were hit on 9/11. we could not have gotten that information without the enhanced interrogation program, and now we have lost that ability. host: tell us about the process that takes place once the

drones are in the air, and the bad guys have been spotted. what is the decision to send troops in to get the bad guy, or just to send a missile in? guest: those details are classified, so you cannot talk about it. however, in the bush administration, we did use predator drone. some areas, you cannot get troops in. you might have time-sensitive intelligence. there is no way to mount an operation, but you could kill someone. the fact is, barack obama has dramatically increased the use of these predators while reducing our capability of capturing and bringing these guys into custody. clearly, there has been a decision made in the administration to kill, rather

than capture senior terrorist leaders. host: tell us how they are being used in the offense in [inaudible] guest: i would assume they are, but i cannot comment on it specifically. host: next phone call. caller: i want to start by saying i do not think much of you. i would not give you 15 cents. guest: at least you should understand what you're arguing. caller: i would like you to finish your state -- my statement before you open up your mouth. host: let's keep it simple. caller: where is your field of expertise? what is the hoover administration -- institute? i would like to know what your expertise is and how you are getting all of this on classified information that no one knows about. guest: i spent 15 years in the

national security field, i spent three years as the chief speech writer for secretary donald rumsfeld. i was a member of the white house senior staff at the end, chief speechwriter to president bush. as a speechwriter, i was asked on september 2006 to draft his speech revealing the existence of this interrogation program. for that speech, i was put into a secure room at the national security council and was given access to all the intelligence that this program produced. quite frankly, i was given access to the actual interrogators. the people who water boarded khalid sheikh mohammed. they walked me through all the information. i start my book with the

sentence "you should not be reading this book, and i should not have been able to write it." some of this information was some of the most classified in the possession of the u.s. government. the reason i could write it is because barack obama released to the information. in the past year, he has released tons of information, according to leon panetta even, that gives the terrorists a guidebook on how to withhold information. it is very damaging, but it frees someone like me, had access to the intelligence. in my book, you can hear from the interrogators, in their own words, how they stop attacks, how they apply their technique, and why it works. host: you are now a weekly columnist for the "washington post." for those of you who want to

continue to beat him, you can find him there. baltimore, maryland. caller: good morning. the more your guest tries to explain himself, i think both sides are hypocritical. i am more levelheaded. i think the folks in the field know what they are doing. you are not military. if they had not bond as terrorist, you would say that they left them alive. i am sure if they could capture every one of them, they would. everyone wants to keep america safe. i do not think keeping america safe is only one party's idea. i trust military generals. if they think this is the best way forward, then that is it. the last few years of the bush

administration, they were humiliated. i do not think touting them as your guys is because we the way to go either. guest: fair enough. i agree with you in the sense that the people in the military and intelligence community are great people who want to keep our country safer, but they get their orders from the white house. in the case of "the washington post," there was a senior -- the top leader of al qaeda in south africa, and the military wanted to capture him and bring him in, but they were overruled by the white house. military people wanted to question him for intelligence and the white house chose to kill him instead of bring him in. the washington post said that

this was an opportunity to interrogate one of the most about labeled terrorists ever. these people know who have been deployed, how they are recruiting, where they're safe houses are, cell phone numbers, e-mail accounts, bank numbers. this is information that you cannot get anywhere else. moreover, they know how to connect the dots. why did we fail on christmas day? we did not connect the dots. we need to be able to see the picture on the cover of the box, and the only way to do that is by capturing and interrogating these people. host: more targeted killings then captures, an article about drone activity.

so it sounds, like from that article, that the pakistani government says it is ok to take them out, and the cia does not have to ask for permission to take them out. guest: that is not true in pakistan, yemen, other places. what they need permission for it is to capture them alive, which they have been on it -- have not been doing. according to that article, there has not been one high-level attention of a senior al qaeda terrorist leader. there have been reported cases of leaders who were captured in pakistan pearly in the obama administration, and they were

never taken into u.s. custody. they were interrogating briefly by the pakistanis and then repatriated to their countries. who are these guys? where did they go? what information did they produce? we do not know. when we do not interrogate them ourselves, and we kill them instead of capturing -- if we had killed khalid sheikh mohammed -- we did not send a predator drone to get him we brought him in for interrogation. if he had been killed within a predator drone instead of broad in alive, there would be a hole in the ground in a crunchy, -- karachi, a hole in the ground where heathrow airport yesterday, and another one in

los angeles. this program was essential, and the obama administration eliminated it. host: we are speaking with mark thiessen from the hoover institute. if anyone has had experience in operating these predator drone -- we will not put your name up or even identify where you are from. if you have had experience with these things, you have some time to give us a call. let us know what is happening. cincinnati, ohio. on the line for democrats. caller: you are saying that we should capture the guys in pakistan, they are supposed to be our allies. as far as torture goes, i do not know how to say it -- in the future, will it be ok for

someone to torture our soldiers? guest: first of all, you cannot use these tactics on american service members. they are covered under the geneva convention. terrorists like khalid sheikh mohammed do not have the privileges of the geneva convention. so you have more ability to use coercive interrogation techniques. so in this case, it is lawful. we waterboarding three terrorists in the bush administration. .

guest: we do water board our own troops. it is tough, but is not torture. host: on the independent line, mark kiko. i am a soldier. i serve this nation. please, do not embarrass our country. do not claim that we declared war in termination that is there for legal lost. we are not of war with them.

we got the right to torture those people, but they do not have the right to torture hours. >> thank you for that comment. you are just completely wrong. water boarding is not torture. i will tell you a story as to why it works. there is the story that was given to me by the actual interrogators. it was the first person to the water board. after underwent water boarding, he thanked us for waterboarding. said it lifted a moral burden from the shoulders to resist. the jihadist philosophy is that allah will prevail in a matter what he says during his interrogation. his responsibility is to resist as far as the camp. his responsibility is to resist as far as he can, and once he

has reached his limit he is free to spill his guts and tell us everything he knows. if you know that, and what the cia did is that they've developed a set of techniques that were not tortured, that did not cause severe mental and physical pain, which is the standard under the law, but give them something to resist. they started with the three -- with the least twiccoercive techniques first. they ask them questions that they knew the answers to such a good gauge whether or not there were telling the truth and had made the decision to cooperate. once they had made the decision to cooperate the techniques stopped. and the conversation continued the way you and i are talking right now. khalid shaikh mohammed graduated through these levels and gave us everything he knew about his plans for attacks. host: an article in the christian science monitor, a a

"new role for robach droid war years." are you concerned at all that by using these drones we might be on the road to giving more response ability to machines and taking away the human element involved in operating these machines and being involved in warfare? guest: not at all, these drones instead of being in the cockpit, they're in a virtual cockpit. i think it is run by a military air force base in nevada. and the cia has done it elsewhere. but no, they are manned by human beings. it is no different than using a cruise missile or any other tool of warfare except that they're much more effective. these are extremely effective tools. the we need to use them in the

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