>> "washington journal" is next. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] caller[captions copyright natiol cable satellite corp. 2010] host: at this hour, and poland, funeral services for the president and his wife. the president confirming that he would not be able to make it to poland it due to the volcanic ash that is ups setting travel = -- upsetting travel

across the world. we want to find out from you what impact if any the tea partiers will have on this year's political races. our numbers are for republicans, 202-737-0001, for democrats, 202-737-0002 and independents, 202-628-0205. the perot movement is an obvious starting point. both movements were killed on the growing distrust of washington and the federal government -- were built on a growing distrust of washington and the federal government. there is this conclusion -- the perot movement created

competition between the two major parties. the question is whether the republican party can harness the new movements energy without paying too high a price. again, the phone lines for republicans, 202-737-0001 fo, fr democrats, 202-737-0002, and our third line is for those who identify with the tea partiers. -- their relationship with their employer isn't governed by union leaders. that is the culture of dependence. the tea partiers see things differently. they are not looking for lower

taxes, half of tea partiers supporters think their taxes are fair. nor are they financially secure. half say someone in their household may lose a job in the next year. they recognize the obama democrats are trying to permanently and large government and increase citizens dependent on it. what impact will the tea party activists have on 2010? gilbert joins us from birmingham, alabama. caller: with the upcoming elections, the tea partiers movement will be slanted, because i do not think they have the impact they are trying to get going. let's go back to when the newly elected president took office. we as american citizens have to realize this country was in dire straits. we have hope not. -- hope now.

the party leaders, sarah palin and those time, those people have not gotten over the fact that -- that they lost. as an indepent, i feel slighted. i will not be supporting the tea partiers people. the american people will not be so naive as to vote for those people. dennis is joining us on the republican line from ohio. caller: one thing that bothers me is the way the mainstream media and characterizes tea party. they will find it radical people in the group. i have not attended. i do not have the time. i support all the things they stand for. i think they will have an

impact, because what they will do is focus a lot of average americans on what the government is doing. were we headed for dire straits? we were going into an economic downturn. what has happened since this new presidency is a huge amount of spending. what i relate to is it is my money. my senator sent this email of saying how we have these new jobs because of cash for clunkers. where did that money come from? i just bought a washing machine. i got a rebate. i really do not -- i will take it, but i do not wanted. where is that money come from? it is not from a money tree. the country is going bankrupt. host: william has this comment from our twitter page. you can join the conversation online.

"the republican party is taking over the tea party. hopefully we'll patriots wake up and do their best to take the party back." linda from texas. have you participated in any marches or rallies? caller: i have gone to two. we were in a lot of rain, and it rained it 10 inches that night. host: what motivates you to get active in this organization? caller: my grandfather had me handing out goldwater buttons when i was 10 years old. i have always been interested. i used to be the mayor of the town i live in. i am 100% disabled. i have never received a dime in

benefits. i have social security. my husband dropped dead january 10, the day after he turned 57. i have zero income and benefits, and i have paid for my house three times to pay for my surgery is because we did not want welfare. now i am a widow with no income and fighting the government, and caught social security and two allies in april -- two lies in april. they just should have recertified me, disabled widow. there will be thousands of dollars trying to keep me from getting what i paid for. i realize social security is going broke and everybody else's, but the people that put

the money in are my age. it is just like the military. you do not make -- take the benefits away from the wives and widows after they fought in two wars. host: how old are you? caller: 56. host: so you qualify for social security based on your own disability and being aware of. caller: the doctor i am being sent to does not do legal tests. i testified to that before the texas senate committee on elderly and disabled care. texas has the 11th largest budget in the world. host: thank you. michael barone in his piece this morning, a battle between the culture of dependence and a

culture of independence. barack obama carry voters with incomes under $50,000 and lost with those with incomes in between. our twitter page -- charlie joins us on the republican line from india. good morning. caller: = host: from indiana. caller: i think the tea partiers will have a huge impact. you watch the news, the head of ge, which is a subsidiary owned by nbc, and people are smart enough to see that the media is -- trouble from obama.

i think the democrats are going to get clobbered in this year's election. host: michael leehy has a story in the republican primary for the senate seat held by lemiuex. but this story is focusing on the upcoming primary. the villages, a senior citizen community, in central florida. here is the essence of the "the washington post" story. "according to polls, charlie crist was once ahead in polls -- a stepping stone toward a bigger stage and the white house run. now targeted for extinction by tea party activists, he is behind by more than 20. som points.

this is the danger awaiting canid it's viewed as not conservative enough. from arizona, where senator john mccain faces a tough primary race, to texas, where senator kay bailey hutchinson failed in her bid to unseat governor rick perry." leah joins us from georgia on the independent line. caller: i hope you will give me all morning -- a moment to explain why people are no longer interested in participating in the tea partiers. i was participating when it first began. i started off in response to the bailout. there were a lot of people interested in this movement, democrats, republicans, and independents. it could have been a successful movement. along the way, the republican party hijacked the tea partiers movement. it is an arm of the republican

party. we have turned off all of that independents and democrats who are interested in reading in the government and spending. now it is all about -- who are interested in reigning in the government and spending. you never hear the tea party activists talking about holding republicans responsible. it is about voting conservative. that is why you've seen the movement, independents pull back, and now you are left with republicans who did not vote for obama and the first place. the motivation is fear. it was president in the -- present in the article you were reading. obama is focused on the issues of poor people, versus focusing what is wrong with america.

as long as that is the attitude that you cannot do anything to uplift this country without feeling like you are handing out, giving handouts to someone, and you are against obama no matter what, because you feel for someone -- is going to benefit from it. host: thanks for the call. i am going back to another opinion piece. dan ball says the tea partiers movement is a reaction against obama and the democrats' agenda. sarah palin may be trying to become the movement's most prominent voice, but the real motivating force is the president and his policies. we are asking whether you think the tea partiers will have an impact on the upcoming elections. we read about charlie crist and the impact on the florida senate race. a democrat from brooklyn, new

york. good morning. caller: good morning. it has become a habit to wake up and hear the conversation focused on the tea partiers movement. either you have nothing else to talk about -- i don't know if fox cable networks as influence in your studio. host: let me stop you. this program is a reflection of what people are talking about in the morning papers. they are talking about the tea party. we are asking whether you or not you think this will have an impact on the 2010 elections. we'll be talking about international adoption, and a number of different topics. no one is influencing this except you as a viewer. caller: that's fine.

i am one of those viewers. i watch you every day. i am a c-span junkie. can i make my point? the tea party people that ever right to do what they're doing. -- every right to do what they are doing. it is up to me to decide if what they say has a value to me. my real point, an hour of calls coming in, if you count the percentages that have to do with your morning conversation and how many times this question has been asked on c-span, it is an act almost every day. there was a clash of right there when on in california. that's to be the topic of conversation this morning. the implosion of american society. that is the story, all right in california.

demonstrations and white supremacist clash -- a riot in california. people's perception of america. how do we want to be perceived around the world? if we are telling other people how to function as a nation, when are we going to get our own act together? host: our next is james, a tea party activist joining us from mississippi. caller: good morning. i hate to say this, but i am going to say it, all this business about the country failing and we need to go back to the way it was, we need to take our country back. this country has never been lost. america is the strongest, most

powerful nation in the world. the united states of america is the leader of all things. you get a few people that have lost, the previous administration had lost, and they feel pretty bad at -- failed pretty bad, and now you have people upset with this administration out which is trying to help everybody. president barack obama is trying to help everybody. he is not trying to turn everybody upside down. when you get these types of controversies, you have to go back to where it started from. it started between 2005 and 2008. it is like they are trying to stir up certain people to be obsessed with this president, interest is sad because, like the man said, you have more people hating this administration over here than you have in other parts are cut

-- in other countries. even the terrorists, they look at these things, the signs and protests. hang this president. just think about what other nations are saying about this. it started out pretty good. as soon as you start trying to handle all of the business, take care of all the people, and not only that, he wanted to reach a handout to the republican party. he did everything he possibly could to reach out to the republican party. and they slapped his hand every time. right now they are slapping his hand on something else. i warn the tea partiers, keep on doing what you are doing, stand up, but you had better watch these republicans. host: we go to tracie from west palm beach, florida. caller: i wanted to say about the tea party movement, when i

first started hearing about it, i watched it on tv, and it sounded like they were of little off base. then i started listening to what they weren't really saying. and then i figured out that the media was trying to portray them as racist -- i tried to figure out what they were really same. they are just about americans. they are regular americans. that is why more and more people are starting to, maybe not stand out there with a sign, but we agree with them. i think it will have a big problem. it is not really against obama. it is against the change of america against the constitution, against fiscal responsibility. against american values of exceptional as of. these are not just republicans. i never paid attention before. i think people are starting to

pay attention that never were. it is the silent majority. we have woken up and said, what the heck is going on? there will be people that will show up that have never showed up before. they will vote american. host: thank you. "tea partiers vetting candidates will make a difference. all have to earn the vote regardless of party association." this story from the "times of london," showing that nick clegg is nearly as popular as winston churchill. a survey shows that the three parties are neck-and-neck with labour an d the tories trying to respond to this phenomena. the lib dems at 29%, their highest popularity.

tonight, a chance to watch the debate at 9:00 eastern time. here is an excerpt. >> i do not think we can justify o40oror afford, a missile system over the next 25 years. we cannot afford it. >> we have been through a financial recession. every time we have had to make the choices about what we do. to support the economy when there was no private investment, in support people who are unemployed. to support mortgages so there were no repossessions like the 1990's. we are at a critical point. i will be honest. you cannot afford to take money out of the economy now, because you'll put jobs in businesses at

risk and put the recovery at risk. 6 billion pounds of the economy means lost businesses in jobs. if you take that money out now, i fear for what would happen. we do not want to have a double dip recession in this country. take 6 billion out, in is the equivalent of taking out thousands of jobs and making jobs on safe. i would not recommend that at all. host: the debate that we carried live on c-span 3, you can watch it tonight at 9:00 eastern time. the upcoming debates will continue over the next two weeks. the first time in british history that you have the three leaders in it presidential style debates. on friday in "the new york times", this editorial -- it's called polish heroes and victims.

he joins us on the telephone from budapest. guest: good morning. i am actually back in warsaw. host: we appreciate it. good morning. the peace talks about the funeral that will take place and grec-- in krakow. it is where the polish president died that makes him a hero or a martyr. can you explain? guest: it is not a discussion about the presidency. it is an incredible grief of ever won, -- over everyone, whether you'd like him or dislike him, because the parish, his wife who was a wonderful person perished, as well as 94

other people. they were on this plane because they were the best. the world knows about the president, but the polish women's movement will be extremely weak and by the death of his wife, and also members of parliament, 18 members of parliament, and six of them were men. -- were women. they were on this plane because they were the best. many people who were families, children, grandchildren of the officers in the military who died. this is an overwhelming event, of which can be compared to its impact on poland it to 9/11, with one multiplying effect, that was a horrible thing 9/11, but the elite of the nation

perished in one accident. this is overwhelming. host: that group was traveling to russia to commemorate the tragedy of april, 1943, that resulted in a loss of 22,000 polish officers. what happened? guest: in 1939, the germans attacked poland from the west, the soviets from the east. polish officers, reserve officers, doctors, others who were drafted, they kept them in the camp. stalin and other politburo members signed the decision to kill them by the shot in the back of the head. there's a movie that shows that. one of the most dramatic things,

and it was suppressed because the soviets were blaming the germans. it was clear the soviets did it. when poland was under soviet domination, this truth was suppressed. and now it has started to be released, and putin and the polish prime minister met three days earlier. the president went with this group of people to meet with the captains of families people. many people came by train and they address them. there was a possibility to de- rail the plane to minsk, but they crashed. this is the essential polish psyche. the law now being shown as the truth -- the lie now being shown

as the truth. host: why is this personal for you? guest: for many reasons. because we lost so many people, including the president. recently, me and my wife got close with the president and his wife appear. she was a wonderful lady. we cooperated with a number of women on the women's issues. we had a discussion about parity in voting. it is personal also to me as a pole, because there is something incredibly loving. my wife's father was killed when my wife was a baby. and that was personal and our family. everyone in poland will have

this kind of attention. -- of attachment. perhaps for the forerunner, the steps of greed --- the depths of is too much, but it has an incredible emotional and psychological influence on everyone. host: on fridays "the new york times", talking about the polish heroes and polish victims, the loss of the president of poland. professor, thank you for joining us. we wanted to point attention it to your editorial. we will continue with your

telephone calls and turn back to domestic politics and the role of tea party activists. they gathered in boston on april 14, and on tax day, april 15, in washington. silverman writing about the president's recent -- weekly address. here is part of what the president said. [inaudible] we will come back to more of your phone calls, because we do not have that. on the democrats' line. good morning. caller: i think the two-party/ republicans will make a difference in november, primarily because most of their people are made up of older whites who tend to vote in every election.

i think it will hinge on the young people and how they come out to vote like they did in 2008. and it will depend, if they see the country as wanting to go back to the 1950's, to the anti- science, anti-women, anti- government, pro-corporation and pro-war party. it depends on whether the young people want to come out and direct which way the country will go, backwards or forwards into the future. thank you. host: carl, republican line, from pennsylvania. good morning. carl? shawn in orlando, independent line. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. as far as the tea partiers is concerned, i think they are a

byproduct of popular people's belief that our government is out of control. in this election, we will see a lot of people wanting to vote to the incumbents out. it is not a reflection upon the obama administration. this goes back to the fact that our government is no longer a government for the people. it is no longer a government by the people. it is a government by goldman sachs, for goldman sachs. the tea partiers is a byproduct of popular opinion, that politicians are taking advantage of this backlash, and forming a political tea partiers which will be short-lived unless the elected government starts to realize what they are doing is wrong. they have been lobbied by the wrong entities that are

destroying our country. they are not listening to what people of the united states want and need. that is my opinion. host: next is terry, joining us from phoenix. he hung up. you can join the conversation on twitter, or send us an email. "can the senate be fixed?" the perception is of eight broken institution. but the senate has already been -- the perception is of a broken institution. but it has always been riven with strife. "national journal" has wasted energy. sergio from texas.

good morning. caller: good morning. [feedback] hello? i'll call back. host: on "newsmakers", which airs at 10:00 a.m. at 6:00 p.m., steny hoyer will be the guest. >> i do not think we will lose the house. i am confident we will retain the house. history shows us that in the first interim election of the president of the united states there is a history of the president's party losing seats in the house. ronald reagan lost 18 in 1982. we understand that history is not good from that standpoint for us. however, we have 253 members.

we want to retain as close to that number. we would like to expand it, but retain as close to that number as we can. we are working hard. are incumbents who won in 2006 and 2008 are very able people, good communicators, hard workers, doing good things for their people. we think it will be excellent candidates. we are confident. we are confident we will retain a majority. we are working hard to do that. unlike 1994, there are no surprises this year. host: you can watch the entire interview with the house democratic leader at 10:00 this morning eastern time. are rebroadcast at 6:00, eastern, 3:00 for our west coast of yours. there is a piece on governor chris christie of new jersey. "if you tax them, they will

leave." raising taxes would be insane. we have the worst unemployment in the region and the highest taxes in america. that is no coincidence. in july joins us from new orleans. on the democrats' line -- angelo joins us. caller: i think they have convinced themselves they are the silent majority, when if you look at the amount of people showing up at the rallies, all is is sore losers. they're so upset that this man's in office. the people they are bringing on for speakers, rick santorum. i mean, it's just. in louisiana, we have the best politicians money can buy.

billie and the head of p harma, he has embarrassed the state for years. the tea partiers movement will be a disappointing surprise. i believe there are some dedicated people that really believe, and then there is the majority that have been led to believe, when the president is right. instead of complaining, they should be saying thank you. most of them got a tax break. they got money back. you have a nice morning. god bless. host: the president saying those remarks thursday evening in miami, after spending the day in central florida to talk about the future of nasa. that speech is available on the white house website. greg joins us from jacksonville, florida. are you anti party activist? caller: -- a tea party activist?

caller: this is usually the identity for independents. host: we are hoping to hear from those who identify with the tea party movement. caller: in 2010, i have a quick comment and observation. the fourth estate and to those members of the media are asking the public not to process or believe what they're lying years may be hearing or what they're lying eyes may be seen. the reason i said that, in all fairness to the person calling from the york, he was only making an observation -- the person calling from new york. i have been watching since c-

span was incorporated in 1979. i have been watching all of the hosts, including yourself, credit, yourself. -- greatta, yourself. i think c-span is the best program when it comes to objective, independent consideration for people's opinions, both republicans, democrats, conservative. i would hope that it is objective enough to listen to those people who disagree with the other side. and when i say the other side, those people who have a critical eye on politics and following it as an independent like i am, with no banner to fly. both of the parties have not served americans well. the caller was seeing more information put into a new element of politics, because the

two party that has not been inclusive of all americans -- the tea party has not been an inclusive of all americans and has represented one side. let me get your question. i think in some ways, there will be an impact by the tea partiers, and that is that may create more polarization, not only in the community, but also at the polls. there may be a groundswell of support for the present administration because of that, not so much that they may agree. most americans are very loyal to their president. we had some people that disagreed with president bush but we were loyal to him because he was the commander in chief. host: another political note from "the washington post",

jerry brown saying he is up from -- up for -- he has been outgunned by republican it make whitman -- meg whitman. the campaign for governor cannot be purchased with millions in television ads. back to your calls. this from our regular viewer, saying that he party -- the tea party -- it is rather humorous to watch the panic taking place over a movement that people claim is a failure. caller: good morning. i believe the tea partiers movement will have an impact. i would like to say that i happen to be a black woman. i went to attend the two-party

to see for myself -- the tea party to see for myself. i disagreed with the people who say it is racist. the fact that there are not a lot of people -- not a lot of african-americans there, i do not know why. it is a group of people who want the country to get back to we the people, for the people, follow the constitution, and be fiscally responsible. i even attended a sarah palin rally. we were all in the same page. i would urge other people to go check things out for themselves and not rely on the media to say who and what these people are. thank you. host: "the new york post" -- the

"volcano that shut down the world." you can see the volcanic ash. this is disrupting air travel throughout europe, and disrupting air travel for president obama, unable to attend the funeral services for the president of poland and the first lady. good morning. caller: i think that tea partiers is nothing more than a front for those persons who are against the president. if they -- if that were not true, then they would have been organized and it said some of the same things they were say when bush was in office. using sarah palin it to say derogatory an explosive things that no one else wants to say.

the republican views hurt -- used her for that as well. she is getting paid for it th-- for that. she will say things that no one else will say. i think they are explosive. for the other caller that just spoke, she notes the signs that are out. it is evident from the signs they carry that there is racism among that group. host: i appreciate your making your point. "perot voters were younger than the tea party activists. only 44% of tea partiers supporters were deandre than 45. -- were younger than 45.

we conclude with a tea party activist. good morning. caller: by a member of the tampa 912, and we have democrats in our group. we have a democratic candidate that will be running for a congressional seat. he has got a lot of support. well everyone in our group support him? no. people are saying they are part of the republican party is totally wrong. what makes the tea party groups so strong is that they are individual groups. we are not always connected, and that could be our weakness. there are groups of trying to pull together for the republican party, but most people are saying we want to stay independent. we want to change our own communities within the right people and working our way up. do we have the same ideas and goals? yes.

do we disagree with this president? yes, we do. i have never heard president bush mock anyone who disagreed with him the way this president has done. and the media mocked the people who disagree with them. we are getting disgusted. it is on presidential for president to mock people. the 912 groups have a lot of good potential, a lot of good people. there is diversity. i think the group will grow more. host: this morning's front page of about your governor charlie crist, and the primary he is facing. what will happen? caller: i knew he would veto the education bill. he did it to be -- to get the

teacher support. i support rubio, but i think he'll win as an independent. host: thank you. from "the washington post", the a look section, the oval office book club. the mention of edwin morris's theodore roosevelt biography, made clear that reading lists don't only give presidents of break from the tedium of briefing documents, they also inform their politics and policies, reaffirming, or creating or shifting their views. peter bakker will look at two

branches of government, executive and judicial. obama v. roberts. conflict between the executive and judicial branches traces its roots to the early days of the republic. there was franklin d. roosevelt's open war with the supreme court in the 1930's, after a in validated much of the new deal program. he proposed to expand the court with new justices appointed by him, only to have the court packing scheme backfired. the struggle between the current president and chief justice so far has been quite tame. it is conceivable, that the legal challenges filed against mr. obama's health care program will wind up before the roberts court. justice stephen breyer told a house subcommittee that he expects it within the next four years. more from the week in review

section of "the new york times", also available online at nytimes.com. we will take a short break. we will talk about the economy and international adoption. first, a look at some of the issues and guests making up the sunday morning program. bobbie jackson. >> the topics will include financial reform and other legislation, the economy, party politics, and iraq. the guests on ""meet the press" ," include treasury secretary geithner, marsha blackburn. on abc's this week, bill clinton. the guests on fox news sunday include iraq's top military commander, and john mccain.

on "face the nation," scott brown. and on ccnnn, senate republican leader mitch mcconnell, mark warner, and an economist. you can listen to all five of the sunday morning talk shows starting at noon eastern on c- span radio. nationwide on xm satellite radio. and follow us on facebook and twitter and c-span.org. >> this weekend, on c-span 1'2's "book tv." the first of three british election debates. for the first time prime minister gordon brown, conservative party leader david cameron, and nick clegg will

face off in u.s.-style debates. watch them in their entirety at 9:00 eastern and pacific. >> "washington journal" continues. host: we want to well, this reporter from the associated press to talk about it -- we want you to welcome this reporter from the associated press to talk about the economy. guest: we seem to have stabilized. there has been good news lately, but there are still some threats in terms of mounting a sustainable recovery. host: this is a cover story that has been getting a lot of attention. your response? guest: well, you can only go by

the numbers and what is out there in the real world. what seems to be happening is the unemployment rate peacked in ked in october. it is now at 9.7%. in march, we created 160,000 jobs, the best performance in three years. people are definitely encouraging. if you look at march air year ago, we were losing -- a year ago, we were losing 700,000 jobs. when you have an unemployment rate of 9.7%, that is still very high. host: this is from "washington journal-- from "the wall street journal", looking at the map,

the san bernardino, california is hard hit. why? guest: the sand states have been hard hit because it was led by a collapse in the housing industry. states like california, like nevada, like florida that had a big boom in housing, when that collapsed, they were hardest hit. host: reaction to the goldman sachs story? does that have an impact in confidence people have in wall street? or is that inside wall street, washington beltway types story? guest: it probably does. the stock market took a hit after that news. goldman sachs' stock was down. we will have to see how that plays out. investors are worried that is not the only shoe to drop.

there are other companies that are under investigation. there are other things to be found out. host: we are talking with martin crutsinger. mike joins us. how did this map come about? marty indicated you went to school to learn how to do this. guest: we were trying to figure out a way to show where the stress was being felt the worst around the nation. we wanted to look at the different points along a downward spiral. first you lose your job, then you cannot make your mortgage, then your file for bankruptcy. we thought these three variables would be a nice measure for getting a sense of the economic pain all around the country, and

especially at eight state and county level -- a state and county the level. host: what surprised you most? guest: the variations. what was the most startling was looking at the changes from october, 2008, and how the pain of the recession up until then, from december, 2007, until october, 2008, was limited to a handful of states going through the housing crisis, like california, florida, and nevada. after that, but you really see the colors on the map darken and change. you can see that stress is

spreading to the interior, hitting a manufacturing communities through the industrial midwest, spreading north along the pacific coast up into organic -- into oregon. and spreading from the east coast, spreading westward into the industrial midwest, until a hit this protective zone, that goes down from montana, wyoming, nebraska, kansas, and texas that have not felt the pain from the recession as other parts have appeare. host: this is one sample that was indicated in "the wall street journal". if you go to kings county, california, the unemployment rate is 18.2%. in san bernadino valley, it is

14.4%. in nevada, it's 16.5%. the foreclosure rate is 7.5%. guest: it is a poster county for economic stress. they were a bedroom community, they still are for metro las vegas. you saw home construction with people commuting to las vegas. with the housing bubble bursting, they felt the pain. host: moving to the north east. heron county, ohio. unemployment at 18.1%. further down into a central ohio, unemployment rate is below 10%. guest: right.

that is probably one of the few counties in ohio where it is below 10%. ohio has felt the pain from manufacturing jobs, as well as some of those in neighboring states, such as indiana and michigan. host: the map looks at the financial stress across the country. tell us aware of -- what it is like where you live. this map that has every county across the country, looking at the bankruptcy rate, the unemployment rate, and the foreclosure rate. there was in the 1980's, the missouri index -- the misery indiex. ex. guest: it started before ronald reagan. it was created in 1970's, a period where we had stagflation.

we have high inflation, but the economy was going to successive recessions and unemployment remains high. you added the high inflation and high unemployment and you've got a misery index. the unemployment now is not as high as 1982. unemployment hit a peak of 10.8%. our peak is 10.1% it so far. inflation has been much more contained this time around. the misery index, the readings will not be the same. if you do not have a job, that is the biggest part of the index. that is a factor in the midterm elections. host: martin crutsinger is here in our studio. mike schneider joining us ont h the phone.

in california, in the northern part of the state, the unemployment rate is 23%. guest: california is not the state that is experiencing the most economic pain. that title belongs to nevada. what you find in california is their counties dominate the list of counties experiencing economic pain. a lot of these counties are inland, as you mentioned, san bernardine, riverside. that has to do with the housing crisis. same with a lot of the counties in the central valley that have unemployment rates approaching 20%. those were bedroom communities that were built for people commuting from san jose.

the counties in california do dominate the list of the most stressed counties in the nation. host: john is joining us from roskam, florida, on the republican line. caller: how do we give out of this mess if you do not find the private sector? now they want to fund financial reform? and no one knows about business in this is administration. i am waiting for them to have a press conference without a teleprompter. congress only has a 10% approval rating. i hear we are bankrupt. what can we do? it is a big mess if you do not get the private sector involved. the government will expand, but that is no way to get out of

this mess. he will help foreign countries long before he helps us. he sent $10 billion down to brazil to make george soros richer. in 10 years, we will be in the 68% tax bracket. we do not have any money. how can we keep buying, paying, and spending if you do not get the private sector into it? . .

but the encouraging part was the fact that about 120,000 of those new jobs were in the private sector. and that's the most in three years. so it's a small number, compared to what we need to raise job losses of 8.4 million over this recession, but at

least it's a start. and the administration is hoping that it's more money in the stimulus bill gets out through the pipeline and starts projects, that that will help support it. and that confidence among small businesses will grow as they see that jobs are coming back, and we'll see employment start to come back. host: mark, looking at this map will it be updated as each numbers come in? guest: yes, it's updated as we get the numbers in. there's usually about a six-week lag between the month we're writing about and when we get the data and do the analysis. but the great thing about the three variables we're using, the une employment rate, the foreclosure rate, and the bankruptcy rate is that we can get the data on the county level on a monthly basis. so we can get a month-by-month

picture by how the economic pain is changing or evolving across the country. host: and if viewers want to go to this map, where can they go? guest: they can google associated press economic stress index. and they should be able to find it that way. host: our next call, illinois. good morning. caller: good morning. i've been thinking about the unemployment situation for some time, and i'm wondering if the united states could not mimic what we did in irpe after -- europe after world war ii by creating our own marshall plan. specifically, is it possible to take areas of our cities that almost look like bombed-out parts of europe, parts of cleveland, parts of chicago, detroit, trenton, and level

them and then rebuild them as far as rebuilding factories, schools, hospitals, apartments, and then make deals with companies to fill these factories with job-producing eerpt prizes? -- enterprises? guest: well, there are portions of that stimulus package that i was talking about do that do have segments for infrastructure spending. i guess private economists would say that it's still very critical that we get the private sector generating jobs again. that you need that because that's where the job creation is in this country. and that for a sustainable recovery, that's what you need the most. that's where a lot of attention in the stimulus bill and the efforts that are being made, the federal reserve keeping interest rates at record low levels. all of those things are kind of, to try to prime the pump,

to get to build confidence in the private sector to start hiring again. host: let me go to earn ohio where the unemployment rate is above the national average at 13.6%, but the foreclosure rate is less than 2% and the bankruptcy also less than 2%. and just moving up north, again, 14.5% unemployment. the foreclosure and bankruptcy rate hovering around 2%. and then if you go to crawford county, pennsylvania, which is in the western part of the state, unemployment at 11%, foreclosure and bankruptcy is 0.25%. guest: right, i think what you're seeing there is basically they had a relatively stable housing market and it appears to be that those were areas where the loss of manufacturing jobs probably hit them the hardest.

and i'm guessing that they probably had a stable housing market, there wasn't as much housing built on speculation or they didn't suffer say the subprime mortgage crisis or bad loans were not made in as great a number as, say, states like florida or california. and as a result, you're not going to see, say, the same high numbers of foreclosure rates in those counties, say, as you are in the states where the housing bubble was the biggest. and, you know, what the stress map really does show you is that the economic stress kind of came in waves. and the first wave seems to be related to the housing crisis. and so you saw it in florida, california, nevada, and then

after, say, october of 2008, roughly, you see it becoming really hitting manufacturing communities, where the demand has dropped off. and so you're seeing a lot of layoffs in these communities. and so i think that's what you're probably seeing in ohio and western pennsylvania. and you're seeing pretty high unemployment rates, but you're really not seeing the foreclosure rates that you see, say, in the sun belt states. host: like clark county, nevada, the unemployment rate is about 14%. the foreclosure rate, 7.3% and the bankruptcy just over 3%. steve from missouri. good morning. caller: i won't ramible because i want to kind of connect two different thoughts but they are connected. i'd like to mention that i agree with your caller, he's from louisiana. where you get c-span where you

can get real independent view of issues of my -- my comment is, and the caller, the young lady from florida immediately afterwards who mentioned that it seemed to be a lot in the media and certain political areas want to characterize key party -- tea party people as racist when really the evidence is all to the contrary. and how that leads into the economic story the it's been 18 months now and the, the general public rl not seeing shovel ready jobs. they see continual extension of unemployment benefits but they don't really see any public works projects going on. yes, there has been encouraging news about the new jobs, but also on the other side in the first quarter of this year

foreclosures are running at a higher rate than they did last year. so there is not a concerted effort to present like c-span does and a few other news sources a picture of what's going on. i don't think our founding fathers could have envisioned the survival of our republic without a truly independent and free press. i think they would be shocked to see so much, such a high percentage of the mainstream media who have aligned themselves with one particular political party. and this just hasn't happened just in the last 18 months or two years. this has been a long progression over time. host: did you have a final point? or a question? caller: no. i just want to thank you for your -- i'm sorry if i rambled.

host: no. i just want to move on. i appreciate it. next is a county from new york. republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. i'm calling about the economic points being made. and i know for sure one thing, even though i don't know a lot about economics, you can't spend a whole lot more money than you don't have and the government has been doing it for a long time. but this is really on steroids. when you have the government taking over 50% of the public sector, that's a really bad thing because they don't run things very well. and as far as that stimulus bill, as far as i'm concerned, that was nothing but a big slush fund. all their pork barrel projects that they've had on hold for many, many years, then they have that omnibus bill, whatever -- i'm not sure what that was about. but the gentleman sitting there is right, that if you don't budget, these things aren't

budgetted for, this administration is so out of control with spending, that's the only thing they know how to do. and that stimulus bill was supposed to help our unemployment rate never ever to go past 8%. it's a slush fund to pay back the unions. this is so out of control. and i agree with the gentleman right before me. i was at my first tea party, and most of the people there, they were concerned about the economy, about the deficit. we are in trillions of dollars. and like i told the gentleman, i was interstrude by a local news channel, i was actually on television for about 20 seconds, and i said i'm here for my children and grandchildren. they're the ones who are going to pay. they're having this -- they have a credit card and they're well passed their limit and they're spending like drunkle sailors. host: what are you hearing? guest: the caller certainly

corrected, the deficits have reached levels that are just pretty amazing for what we would have thought before this recession. that we had a 1.4 trillion deficit for the budget year that ended september 30th. the administration is projecting that this deficit will be $1.6 trillion this year. and it's going to stay at very high levels for a considerable time. what the administration argues is that if -- that if they were not doing all of this spending, that the deficits would be even worse because the economy would be so much worse. that it was critical that this is the worst recession since the great depression, and that the concern was that if there wasn't a massive government effort to address it, that it would be as bad as the great depression. which would be, instead of

unemployment at 10%, we would be talking about unemployment at 25%, one out of four people out of work in the great depression. so their argument was that the spending had to be done to keep the economy from collapsing even further, and that as the economy starts coming back, as jobs start coming back, they will put in place a program to get the deficits under control. they have -- president obama has appointed a commission that's going to produce a report in december. host: after the mid-term election. guest: exactly. because it's likely that any choices will be painful, because, you know, whether you raise taxes, whether you cut spending, whatever combination of those that you try to do to get the deaf sits firmly on a sustainable basis will be --

will cause political pain. host: we're talking about the economy. our guest is a senior writer for the associated press and mark is joining us on the phone from orlando and the ap financial stress index, which is available on line looking at what the economy is like, the foreclosure rate, bankruptcy and unemployment in your community, in your county. pam joining us from new york. good morning, democrat's line. caller: good morning. here in washington county, the last time i looked at a newspaper we had one column and a half of jobs. and we happen to be gearing up for the season. we are a resort community all around this area for lake george, new york. and the only things that are available are line cooks and dish washers. so it's pretty sad up here. i would say one thing. i think there's a story to be had for any investigative

journalist. i have been watching the foreclosure thing and scratching my head saying why aren't these banks modifying? why aren't they modifying? and i think that there is coming along a wave of commercial foreclosures. now, if they can sell a house at auction and those auctions are typically for cash only and they get $75,000 in cash for a house worth $125,000, then they are filling their coffers again, perhaps getting ready for the wave of commercial bankruptcies that are coming along. guest: i think that's interesting. the caller brought up the issue of i guess loan modifications or what we have noticed in the past two months is that in some of the hardest hit foreclosure states such as california and nevada there's been kind of a

slowing down in the pace of foreclosures, and some of the people who live there are creditting laws that the legislatures passed recently that give home owners a little more breathing room to work out i guess a modification of their loans with the banks. so it seems to be having those type of laws seem to be having some affect as far as slowing down the pace of foreclosures. i guess the real question is whether those loans are modified or whether it's just kind of delaying the actual foreclosure process. host: and jim from iowa, next, independent line with mike on the phone in orlando and marty here in washington. good morning. caller: good morning. if you calculated unemployment the way they did until the early 80s, the way they calculated, our actual unemployment is over 22%.

foreclosures we had was subprime are perhaps not even as significant as the foreclosures we will have in the next couple years as prime loans and teaser rates turn over. most of the loan modifications are redefaulting. we have a zombie bank system which has been allowed to perptwut itself by wave waiving the fass by rules so they're able to have myth logical vamus on the properties they have assets. our children won't pay this debt. we will default by inflating the currency. the children will pay by having a lower standard of living. you don't get rich by having more debt. host: marty. guest: well, the caller certainly is right as far as i think he's referring to the fact that the 9.7% national unemployment rate that we had in march, that is, if you add

the people who are looking, working part time, and other people that, the so-called under employed, that rate is at a record high of 16.9% or it is very high. the number of people that have been out of work for more than six months is at 6.5 million, and that is a record level. the federal reserve chairman referenced this point, if large number of people who have been out of work for six months or more is of great concern going forward. in testimony in congress this week he talked about the fact that the longer you're out of work, the dange is that you lose job skill and makes it harder to get back into it. so there is no getting around it. we've had a very bad recession that we're still having to deal

with. host: you indicated that as you go down the center part of the country from the dakotas to texas, a lot of white counties which refer to low stress index including, one example, stanten county, kansas, 3.5%, its foreclosure and bankruptcy rate is nedgible. guest: there's this swath that descends from north dakota all the way down through south dakota, nebraska, kansas, oklahoma and texas that largely were -- felt the recession i guess the least of any area of the country. and a lot of that has to do with the fact that they are agricultural states and counties, and energy states and counties. and for a while at least, that protected them from the worst

of the recession. but you're sort of finding now that wyoming has seen a little bit of an increase in stress because the energy prices aren't what they were say a year ago. but, still, compared to the rest of the country, these states and these counties really are doing much better than anywhere else. host: next is mark from port stnch lucie, florida. good morning. caller: good morning. i appreciate your taking the call. i've been listening to a lot of the calls today and my opinion anyway is most people are just worried about the political end of it. the this divide that we have in this country, i heard a man from hills borrow talk about all of the spending and all the debt and all that stuff. but he forgot to mention that it started under that private enterprise administration of

dick cheney and george bush. so there's enough blame. and i think we need states people. i'm a little slanted in florida with housing being in such a bad shape, and it just affects so many things. and i would like to see the amount of money sent up to wall street be put into the housing crisis. when you start affecting plumbers and elect rigses and everybody else, contractors, roofers, furniture store owners, everybody, it's such a large segment of our economy that i don't think it's getting quite the -- we're not going in the right direction with it. just helping foreclosures isn't going to solve the problem. and i wish i was smart enough to understand what could. host: some news. tim geithner, the treasury secretary indicated the unemployment rate is going to stay around 10%. but he also said that the economy is growing faster than the administration initially

expected. guest: what you've had is that most economists believe that probably the recession ended in the last summer. june or july. and westbound economic growth since then we had economic growth since then. a lot of that was a swing in inventories. but the economists lately have been revising up their forecast for the first half of this year to around 3% or so, which is a bit higher than people had expected. but still, you're going to need sustained growth for considerable periods of time to make a dent in this unemployment rate. host: robert from tampa saying he disagrees but on the issue of inflation. saying we haven't seen the consequence of inflation just yet. guest: there is that concern. the fed's balance sheet has

soared as they put in place the number of exceptional programs to try to deal with this downturn. and the fed has kept its key federal funds rate at a record low of 0 to 0.25% for over a year now. so there is -- that worry is out there among some people. it's been eeks pressed even in the fed -- expressed in the fed itself that we could be creating the next bubble with these very low rates just as we created a housing bubble some people believe with the low rates that the fed used to deal with the 2001 downturn. on the other side, there are people who say there is no inflation there. that this country, that the recession has been so severe that if anything what we're looking at is still a threat of deflation which we haven't seen in this country since the great depression. so the two sides of that argument are out there. host: zpwarey from virginia.

republican line. good morning. caller: thank you. i'd like to say while i do approve of what obama is trying to do with this stimulus money, i don't approve of the way he's trying to do it. you take these stimulus funds being spent for these highway interchanges projects, i talked to chairman lahood i believe it was december or january anyway, on january 29 on cnn at 6:30 in the morning they had a project in nebraska where it was a railroad overpass, and nobody on either side of the tracks wanted it or felt they needed it. everybody just kind of enjoyed waiting for the train to go by when they got stuck at intersections. nobody had ever lost their lives there. there had never been an accident. it only gave two girls a flag jobs. and the reason -- and i told mr. lahood that there's a lot

of chickenry going on. and he said he couldn't imagine that. host: mike, do you want to respond to that point? guest: well, you know, i guess highway construction brings jobs. and that's what's needed. even in a place like nebraska that is weathered the economic downturn scaparettively well. -- caparettively well. host: we'll go to max yin next. good morning. guest: i'm retired, so i don't have the unemployment issue. however, i would like to relate your counties, i would like a map correlation with the tax rate. i grew up and had a lot of relatives in new jersey. i've been watching governor crist discuss the highest tax state. you were talking about the need for private enterprise, and i

look at the taxes in the health care bill that will affect individuals and small business who was the generator of new jobs. and i wonder if you can correlate your map of the highest state and state taxes in states and the impact of the expiration of the bush tax cuts and what will happen in those very dark colored counties. host: thanks for call. let me point out too, the cover story is on energy but inside is a piece by barnes and governor crist ant the issue of raising taxes. and what he says are insane. but the stress index numbers, mark, is there correlation? guest: there's no correlation between taxation and economic stress, because the two of the i guess most stressed states, california and florida, have

completely different approaches to taxation. so i don't think you can really draw any kind of relationship between taxation and economic stress. host: as you put this who project together, what surprised you the most in trying to research the u.s. economy and where we have been and maybe more importantly where we're heading? guest: well, i think mike described the aric of this very well. what we saw waws that -- was that you had a housing bubble that popped. and the states where you had a big boom where the ones that got hit first. he talked about the october 2008. well, that was when the financial crisis hit with severity. and with the collapse of lehman brothers, the stock market plunging, and credit just freezing up at that time. and so, then you saw the pain starting to spread throughout the country and then the recession getting so much worse

and through the rest of that year and then into the spring of last year. so that i guess what it has been interesting to track is just how that recession that started really in housing with the housing bubble spread to the financial sector and when the financial sector came under stress that that really then took the recession too a whole new level across the country. and you're seeing that. and our stress map is showing that, because the number came down a little bit. but it only came down from reaching -- in february from reaching a record high in january. and what that shows is that that stress level has spread out over the country. host: marty, economics writer for the associated press. and mark, you earned a masters in trying to figure out how

this works. guest: right. what's great is you can read a spreadsheet. but when you see it visually, it's just startling. you know, the data just kind of jumps off when you're able to see it visually on a map and see where the economic pain is and where the i guess the geography of the stress is. host: thank you both, gentlemen, for your time. and again, it's the ap economic stress index. you can do a google search and it will pop up. thanks. guest: thank you. host: front page of the "new york times" has this headline. gates says u.s. lacks a policy to thwart iran. david and tom co-wrote the story. he writes that defense secretary gates warns that the u.s. does not have an effective long-range policy for dealing with iran's steady progress toward nuclear capability.

david is going to be joining us in about 45 minutes with more insight into the story this morning that is generating some attention on the sunday morning programs. and is in just a moment, the former governor of new york, has a new title and involved in a new organization called revere america. he will be sharing his story with you and your phone calls as the washington journal continues on this sunday morning. >> let's see another wibber from the student cam. today we speak with second prize winner noaa gray, a 12th gray. >> thanks for having me here today. host: >> why did you select this topic? >> i was in washington, d.c. this summer and the white house has interested me.

so i ig if yurd, i walked by the white house one day and saw these protestors there and said, you know, these people would be neat, you know, to tell a story about them. so that's why. and i think it's so important that freedom of speech and freedom of assembly is such a gift. that's why i chose to expand on that. >> how many days did you spend at the white house gathering video? >> i spent a little less than a month. i went there almost every day after work. and spent anywhere from an hour to three hours there. so i was working with somewhere around 30 to 40 hours of footage. so it was quite a challenge to get it down to an 8-minute movie. >> tell us about the people that you interviewed and why they were there. >> there's so many interesting people outside of the white house. and i spoke to many, many

people out there. and there are continuous protesters or some of them don't like to call themselves protesters, they like to call themselves demen straitors or citizens expressing their voice. but one lady has been there since 1981 protesting against nuclear war. a couple of guys that really caught my attention were keith mchenry and frank owe mars and they were out there with the change we need out there network. and they actually baked bread out there in a solar oven and getting people to sign a petition with, it was for clean energy organic gardening classeses in every school. solar power, passenger trains connecting every city, and universal health care and they'll pay for it all with ending the war, global cease-fire. they were really neat guys and

i gree close to them. >> after creating the documentary how did your view of freedom of speech change? >> well, i thought it -- at first, i thought this is amazing, you can come to the white house, the place where your president lives and say whatever you want. there were guys out there with shirts with expletives on them and they're allowed to be there. i thought that was so great that it was demonstrating our freedoms. but then, there are limitations on them, like we just talked about, the park police officer or the permitting process that you have to go about and get either you have to be in certain places to speak freely or when the president comes you have to move across the street. but it's all very interesting. but i learned that with those freedoms there are certain limitations. >> thank you for spending time with us today and congratulations again on your winning. >> thank you very much. >> here as clip.

>> you can see the entire documentary and all the other winning videos any time. go to student cam.org. host: joining us from new york is the former governor of new york and now the chairman of revere america.org kicking off later today in boston. thanks for being with us in

c-span. >> gork. >> what's your intention? >> we created it in response to the passage of obama care. it was clear to me when this bill passed that the president, speaker pelosi and harry reid were not listening to the american people because it was clear the american people did not want this bill. the voters of massachusetts then sent a very clear message saying do not pass this bill, and not listening to the people or the message that was sent from massachusetts or even following the rules of the senate, they rammed obama care through. and the theory was that once it passed the american people would forget about it, move on to other things and it would slowly become accepted over time. thankfully that has not been the case. the american people as they learn more about it gt more upset about it to the point today that a majority think it should be repales. so what revere america is, we're going

to be at all 50 states, we're going to mobilize to get a million signatures of people who will support us in working to repeal obama care and replace it with true health care reform. >> do you intend to appeal to the tea party activists talking about taxes in this country? >> we intend to appeal to all the different groups who understand that our government is headed in the wrong direction and is headed in the wrong direction because it's not listening to the american people. certainly those who like the tea party activist whose believe government is spending too much, doing too much, borrowing too much are a natural ally. >> let me go through a couple points that the white house has made in recent weeks with regard to health care. first, long-term, peter or zag saying it will ultimately bring down health care expenses, make sure american people have

coverage so they're not using emergency rooms for their private fastigs, also make sure that insurance companies cannot eliminate your insurance because of a preexisting condition. so based on what they're saying how do you run against those points? >> you don't run against those points. you point out to the american people what they already know is that most of them are not the case and is just not true. they say it's going to reduce the deficit. the objective analysis i have seen is that it will increase the deficit by at least a half trillion dollars and probably a lot more over the course of the next decade. and they're relying on a static cbo analysis that only can look at the facts that are given to them and not the facts as they actually exist. so they're wrong on that. and the american people know they're wrong on that. they say they're going to drive down health care cost but i think the american people know that this is going to increase health care costs. we're not going to see lower costs because thing that is could have been done like

medical mall practice reform to drive down costs were ignored to protect special interests in washington. and yes there are some good provisions to obama care, like dealing with the issue of preexisting conditions and when we repeal this bill we are not going to simply not ig -- ignore the need for real health care reform, we will include parts like dealing with the issue of preexisting condition, dealing with the issue of lifetime caps and insurance companies dropping people after they've been good customers simply because they're reaching the point where they could become more expensive to the carrier. we're not going to let the companies get away with that. but we're not going to let congress and this narrow partisan majority get away with obama care. >> is there symbolism in beginning today? >> there's symbolism both to today and the name. revere america has a double meaning. first, we love america as all great americans love this great country. and second, 235 years ago, paul

revere left the north church to awaken patriots that our freedom was in danger. we think obama care is one example of how a washington that doesn't listen to the people, and that's these politicians in government as having the solutions to all the issues facing our country is another threat to our freedom. and we woke up then and create ed the greatest country the world has ever known. we're going to be active and wake up today and reclasme this government for the people. >> other stops will include nebraska, california, texas, and iowa. >> and nevada, too. >> but iowa of course the first in the nation primary. some speculating that this could be the lauch of a possible presidential bid. >> well, i think to worry about 2012 is a disservice to the american people. a couple of points. first, i love the private sector. i am having a very good time. i spent 12 years as governor of new york state and now i'm

working in green energy areas and next generation vehicles so we can end our overreliance on oil from places like venezuela and the middle east. and i'm enjoying that very much. and second, i don't think we can wait to 12i to reclaim our government. that's why revere america is out there now. we're going to gather thee signatures and e-mail addresses. we hope to get more. we're going to break them down to congressional district and let the representatives and those districts know that the people want this repealed and replacement of obama care with real health care reform. and either they're going to listen to the people this time or we'll elect people who will. >> if you were to decide to run for president in 2012, what questions would you ask yours? what would lead you to make that decision? >> it's just so speculative. there are going to be many great candidates out there, many who ran the last time. and that's the way it should be. this is a great country and you

want to have a broad range of people who advance their ideas as to what they will do for their country. but let's focus on the fact that in 2012 er single member of the house of representatives is up. 33 or 34 senators, go no, sir, people across the country, and i just really think we're staring at record trillion dollar deficits each year for a decade to come, we still haven't seen as wall street has done fine and the banks have done fine, we haven't seen jobs come back. and there are too many hard-working good american families where an important part of that family doesn't have a job or has lost their job. so there's a lot to do this year today, tomorrow, and between now and november. so in the media, everybody loves to speculate on what is going to do this or what's going to happen here. we're going to do one thing, and that is try to focus that grass roots dissatisfaction on this government and in

particular with obama care on a positive solution to that problem by repealing it and replacing it with true health care reforms that will reduce health care costs, will provide great coverage that people can choose for themselves and instead of empowering politicians let the people make the right decisions for themselves and their families. >> the questions and e-mails are coming in. ken wondering what's your objection to a public option which would compete with private insurers? scant private insurers handle the competition? >> private insurers do engage in competition. and when i was governor one of the many health care reform we put in place was mandatory managed care for medicaid recipients. but we did it in a way when that plan went into effect we had 32 different private carriers competing with quality, competing with access, competing with quality of care and the ability of that system

to meet the health needs of an individual or family as well as possible. when you put a public option on the table and combine it with the government telling the private sector what they can and cannot do, there's no question in my mind that they would have very quickly squeezed out the private sector so that the public option became the only available option. and we don't want the government running health care in this country. obama care is a huge step towards that goal i fear because we do have the heavy hand of government intruding on too many decisions. but when you have government competing with the private sector and government setting the rules and then being the umpire interpreting the rules, and when you have an administration where the president has said unequivocally when he was running earlier in his career that he wants a single payer system, a single payer system is a government monopoly system where the government pays. so a public option over time

with this administration's attitude, setting the rules, determining whether people are playing by the rules, would have meant a government monopoly system. i don't want that and i don't think the american people want that. >> on a twitter. >> i believe one of the reasons beginning in 2006 and continuing through 08 the american people people gave control of congress and the white house was because they were disappointed with republican control. we did not balance the budget. we put in place entitlement programs without paying for them. we had our share of scandals of members of congress who were literally flat out bribed or who were totally controlled by special interests like abenoff.

so the american people listened, saw, and said we want change. but they now have had since 2006 a democratic congress and since the end of 2008 a one-party rule controlled by the democrats. and i believe that they are saying, this isn't a change we wanted. we wanted balanced budgets. we want add limited government. we wanted government that paid for itself and didn't steal from our children's future. but you don't want massive tax increases in the face of a recession. you don't want a government who believes that creating jobs is 16,000 new i.r.s. agents in obama care instead of the private sector jobs that millions of americans are looking for and need right now. you don't want a government that doesn't listen to the people and by partisan majorities rams through a government beginning takeover of our health care system against the wishes of the american people. so i think the jury is out for this november. you can't say that republicans

are just going to walk in. they're dissatisfied with the government in washington, but we have to offer positive solutions and a reason besides not being them why people should support our candidates. and that's why, when we're talking about health care through revere america, we're talking about not just reel peeling it but replacing it with good reforms for the american people could look and say yes that reform will help my family. yes, that reform will lower my costs. yes, that reform will make the insurance company responsible to the needs that we have as citizens of this country as opposed to what obama care is, which is government imposing solutions on the people of america. >> if you want to get more information on revere america, a link is available. revere america.org. we're talking with the former governor of new york, prior to that a member of the legislature and.

joining us. caller: i really love your talking points. the situation is that the public wanted a public option. we want competition against the insurance companies. the insurance companies is what's ruining health care. and we need somebody to go in and so we're able to compete. and another situation is we need to get down the price of medical schools. i mean, the debt in which a doctor once they graduate has, that's one of the reasons why we have such a high insurance, because doctors need to pay back their debts. and then we have a situation where you have -- well, that's about it. >> governor. >> well, e jeff, first of all i love the fact you live in freedom, wyoming. and that's what this country

has always been about. freedom. people can live, work where they want, and make decisions without the government telling them what to do. and yet you talk about a public option. so the government competes with the private sector. let me try an anallergy here. i don't know if you're a ooble fan but i love bable. and when you're watching a close game you always worry that the refs are making a wrong call on one side or the other. imagine that it's the government team playing against a private sector team and the government team is making the rules. so that if all of a sudden they're having a problem competing, they change the rules. and, by the way, the referee, who are making all the calls, work for the government team. you would not have competition. it would not work. you would havele a government monopoly in a very short period of time. and if you want government monopoly, how about government housing, how about public schools particularly in inner cities where there is no competition. we need a competitive system.

but the history of this country shows that competition works best when you empower many different private sector entities with the ability to compete. we need a government that oversees that competition, that regulates it and makes it fair, holds insurance companies in the case of health care accountable so they can't deny preexisting conditions or drop people simply to improve their bottom line. yes, we want that but we don't want the government running the show. they do not do it well. they would not do it well. and i don't want the politicians in washington who won't listen to the people and who tell us things because they think we want to hear them as opposed to they believe them running our health care system. and let me give you one example. i'm on c-span. throughout the campaign the president was saying we're going to have our debate on c-span. you'll be able to see what's going on, whether it's in this piece of legislation we're fighting for and this. the health care process was totally done in the dark.

without public participation. and in a very narrow, partisan way. to this day i doubt if there's one person who voted for this bill in congress who even read it. and certainly not one who understands it completely. and let me just, jeff, give you one more example. and if i get a little worked up it's because i really do feel this is a horrible, horrible mistake for the american people. not just for today, but for our future. the congress, some of the members of congress just tried to figure out whether or not obama care was going to change their health care coverage and they were going to have to change their policies or not. they couldn't figure it out. so they got the congressional service group to do an analysis, and they came back with an over 8,000 word report that said we don't know. we're not exactly sure. we can't tell you with certainty whether or not you're going to have to change your health care coverage and your staff's health care coverage under this bill because it's unclear. now, if congress doesn't know how a bill they voted for

affects them, how can they tell you how it's going to affect the american people? it's just the wrong thing to have done. the american people know that. and that's why revere america is out there fighting to repeal it and replace it with true health care reform. >> hair yet beck has this question. who is financing revere america? >> revere america is a group that we just started. and so far we have some private sits sebs who have stepped up and supported this not because they have an action to grind but because they are american patriots who understand that obama care is the wrong thing for this country. it is a 501 c 4 which allows us to be advocates for a position and get out there and make the case and gather these petitions and take them to the members of congress. and we're going to do everything we can to turn that grassroots anger at obama care and at the fact that this narrow controlled government doesn't listen to the american

people into something positive, and that positive result will be a good health care reform bill for the people of america. host: on the republican line. welcome to the washington journal. caller: god bless you both. god bless c-span. this is a tremendous moment. thank you for revere america.org. i'm a former new yorker, i'm a disabled senior citizen. i do have a blog that someone put on the internet for me. if you will google creativity 777.com, i don't have access to e-mail or fax but you can contact me once you investigate me. we will do very big things to get america back on track. i am self-proclaimed to the heartbeat of america. ashland virginia bills itself the center of the universe. there's a big message looking to come out of me. and governor, i'm a former native new yorker. caller: well good talking to

you and i hope you're having a good time in virginia. but ashland considers itself the heartbeat of america. and i'm sure freedom, wyoming, does, too. and that's the great thing about america. we can all take pride in our country. our country is imperfect and that's why i believe that obama care is terribly flawed. and you can e help me here. people who go on your blog, they can go to revere america.org. we will have petitions for people to sign. we want to get those million signatures. we want to let the members of congress know that the american people are not going to forget about obama care and just let it become a fait accompli. we're going to change it and let it do what's right for the american people. host: clinton, larry on the phone. caller: good morning, sir. how are you?

>> good morning. i'm doing great. caller: from an old man, and i am an old man. i'm 71 years old. i've sat here and watched our country go down the tubes and it's going down more and more every day. not only the health care bill that is already been passed will bring us down. cap and trade will bring us down even more. than the illegal immigration thing which will put 13 to 14 more million people on obama care. which, if you add that on to the 32 that we're talking about, comes out to 46 million people. and most of them are going to end up on medicaid, which is totally unfunded, funded by the states, which can't afford to do it and all it is, is they couldn't bring us down militarily so they're trying to bring us down with our pocketbooks.

guest: well, i certainly understand the frustration. but let me be upbeat. yes we have our problems and yes i have my disagreements with speaker pelosi and leader reid and president obama. i think they're wrong. but this is still the greatest country the world has ever seen. and for all the troubles and the difficulties we have today, we have always been able to overcome them through listening to the people, participation by the people, and ultimately making the right decisions with the right deards. and i'm confid -- leaders. and i'm confident we're going to do that again. but you point out some real problems. we not only have these trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see, we also have programs like medicaid that are underfunded and med medicare that and social security and freddie mea and -- fannie mae and freddie mac that are incurg hundreds of billions of dollars

of liability that ultimately are going to require the taxpayers to pay. and it is an enormous concerns to me. and it is wrong for this country, when you think of the united states and what has made us great, we have freedom first of all and the ability of people to make their own decisions. but also, the traditions in this country have been that one generation's sacrifices so that the next generation can li a better life. my parents never had a new car. they never went out to fancy restaurants or joined a club or played golf. they sacrificed so that my brother and i could get great educations and have the opportunity to build a better life. and that's not a unique story. that is the american story for hundreds and hundreds of millions of us. and now we have a government that's doing the exact opposite. it is stealing from our children. it is stealing from our grandchildren trillions of dollars, tens of trillions of dollars to buy off interest groups today, to buy off political groups, to make people seem to be happy with

entitlement programs that are not sustainable. obama care is one example of this, a glaring example of this where the costs will balloon in the outyears and it will hurt not us so much as future generations. so i hope you join with us. i hope you click on to revere america.org or you go check where you can get a petition signed and help us to repeal and replace it with real health care reform. and that's not the only thing revere america is looking to do. we believe in limited government, we believe in responsible government that looks to the future and doesn't buy off interest groups today and will be working to try to achieve those goals but. host: marcus from auburn, new york, democrat's line with the gove nor from new york city. caller: good morning. how you doing? guest: good morning. auburn is a great city. i've been there several times. i had a chance to tour the

house a couple times and one example of great new york patriots. caller: and i am a true patriot. i've got to be honest, i am on the democratic line but i really don't believe in a party system. i really believe that that has been our downfall is the way that we have a two-party system, you pit one side against the other. and i mean, the only dinchings between republicans and democrats and sunnis and shiites is the amount of weapons we're allowed to use. but that's not where i'm going. i've got to be honest. i want to tell you a story, i drive for a company you might know, we care transportation. i gt hurt on the job in 2007. i'm now unemployed. i'm on compensation. when i got hurt, i was in the process of getting my teeth fixed. i was diagnosed with hepatitis c. the medication that i was given

destroyed my limb of nodes. i can now get no insurance. and you sit there and you look into this camera and i look into your eyes, and what you're saying is wrong. and i knew this was going to happen the day that obama decided to run, i looked at my uncle and i said this will be the day that decides the dividing line in this country. all those great black friends that everybody had, well, you know where i'm going. host: governor, did you want to respond? guest: i'm happy to respond, but i'm not sure where you're going. as i indicated earlier, first of all, i'm sorry for your extraordinary health difficulties and i hope you're able to get through them and that you do get the help that you need. but on the other hand, you know, you're talking about how i'm wrong and maybe obama care is right. but in new york we already do cover preexisting conditions. insurance companies are not allowed to turn down an applicant because of

preexisting conditions. so that's not the reason there would be no coverage in this case. but you are right on one thing. and that is when you talk about the two-party system. and we can't be republicans and democrats in any way anal gus to shia and sunni. with we have to put the interest of country before the interest of party. noy that he because i got elected three times in new york as a republican in a democratic state. and i needed at least 1 million democrats to vote for me. and each one of those elections to be able to lead my home state, the state that we both i believe love so much. so this is not about one party or the other. it's about a philosophy of government. are we going to empower people with opportunity and empower people with a choice to make the decisions that will best reflect the interests of themselves and their families, particularly when it comes to issues like health care. are we going to have far away government bureaucrats in washington tell us what procedures, what doctors, what

health care opportunities we're going to have? obama care, i believe, is the latter. it really does put the heavy hand of government into the decision making process as to how health care is doing to be delivered. . . insurance that they are very happy with. and this was not what was

promised to us. this was not what they told us. so obama care is not what he said it was and it's going to spreas health care cost and require tens of millions of americans to change health care coverage they are happy with. it's wrong. we should reappeal it and replace it with true reform. >> host: a sales state, a broken state, a shambles, a fiscal mess, a basket case, and that's how to current governor chris cystry, your republican friend is describing the state of new jersey. your comment? guest: well, new jersey had horrible leadership for too long. and by the way i may point out it was one party leadership the same one party that is governing washington right now. and it is very easy to say yes

when the special interest groups and lobbyists are walking the hall. they are always just asking for more money for this and that and washington is saying yet to every interest group or entitlement program without having the ability to pay for it in the hopes that somewhere down road there will be a magic pot of gold that appears. there is no magic pot of gold just filled with what we have earned. and he is going to reduce the size of the state government, it can be done because i did that in new york when i was governor there, i did that we reduced in absolute terms size of the state's budget and the size of the state's workforce. so i would not dispair fur in

new jersey. yes, it is a mess right now. but governor christy has the right approach. give him the a chance to restore proper pal to the state of new jersey and it lsh fine jue as we're giving must needs and the needs of the taxpayer and country to be able to live their own lives, we're going to be fine as a country. host: if you tax them they will lead, let me go back to the 3/4 conversation fonding of rear america, do you have a board of directors and are you paid personally for this? >> no. i'm not paid. i'm doing this as an american citizen, and we have a very lean staff, a very good bit of professionals. we're brand-new and we want to have vol ears to of every world of the 50 stites help us get this glass roots effort to

reappeals of pama fove -- everything from $10 to $50. of course we also hope that people will become responsers and help us at a larger level. but it's not about the money. it's about the principal that this is a government that's supposed to be a government of the people, by the people and for the people and not for the politicians and special interest groups if washington. and for the people we did help, that last year we're going to pay it back. >> to the govern you had about lobbyist's and you had 20 of please tell us of tchars that you could donate to an organization or campaign. they hear you in washington. in many the efforts of deprand

theater have we saw they don't have a lobbyeth what they have is a voice and a vote. and in america a voice and a vote what should mean the most. so they are getting involved. they are participating at the grass floots national politics is wanted by this whole has rushed for over 200 years and how we will adopt succeed in becoming boring, boring, because he's not twitter question, governor pataki, did you ever budget your balance in new york >> every budget we had over $2.2 billion set aside for reserved. we had already maximizeed the rainy day fund and i couldn't get the legislature to increase personal dollars a bit so i

created new reserve responsers, an elmo rembs ponce thert retire debt. when the opportunity arose. so yes, the govern's a state of new york is required to submit a balanced budget. sadly, the legislature is not required to adopt the balanced bum et and tried very often nosme we had the highest credit rating new york had ever had. that's going through the nightmare these costumes at the point 44 glrks financial sequences to those who they you can't do it. you can. hen ri on the independent line. thank you, governor, for ar ticklating your points clearly. bringing that to our program. i have two questions for you gopher.

sure. caller: one is that you are a very good student of history, and i want to go back a little bit on history here. in 1994, when the republicans first came abroad with the contract for america, there were a lot of things that were park tick lat country in up an one things and it turned between foreman and you control it the legislature and the high branch of government. you did not balance the budget. you did increase spendling. you did increase the deficit. why should we believe that for all those years that you have complete control you did not do any of the things that you are now saying you did not want to

-- that you are now saying you want to do? referee: that is why we were in office tovet host: now november is not clear what's going to happen at the elections. i think there's dissatisfaction and growing dissatisfaction as people esee what it's like. but you also republicans or disagree ranges if they didn't push by equipment of your less. >> don't they have -- during that time frame, when you look to the future, and that's what this country has always been about. if you want to be a leader. if you want to solve problems, point fingers back and say look what they did or another group

back this history, it doesn't stolve problem. we are where we are today and we have a one-party government power. and is running far beyond, way beyond what a prior ren can and administration even thammingt about approaching, they are puting in massive new entitle ment programsal called obama care that they plain are smart knuck them lit increase if he raising cam accesses on virtuely everyone. at a time when unemployment is at a strats feerick and unacceptable rate. i don't think there's arn economist in the twhoorled says you create appear jobs in a recession by raising small taxes on businesses. but that's who solve is point

foings somebody who used to be in contest to see where we are today. and to look to the future with solutions as opposed to the past with finger pointing. >> and governor is scolding me for a tweet. host: it reads states has china they do not have a bully form. >> yes. there's a valid point that ultimately the states are accountible and they either have to get straightened out or they are going to default on their debt. but too many local governments r.v. zpest. generaling from politicians who know that down the road they are not going to be able to pay for it, they simply hope they'll be gone and it's somebody else's problem.

that's not the way america has worked in the past or the way america should be working today. we can't be burdened with it. our posten and grernrm host:, i know, but maybe people have lost that believe we have to do what's right not just for ourselves and our day-to-day living today but for our country and our future. but i don't think so. that's why i think there's a huge disconnect between washington around the american peel. washington lost sight 34r5rly the one light bomea said said is right for this people, two totally discuss gavegave democrats line, good morning. caller: hello, i would like to make a couple comments on what the governor has said and actually some of it was stated by the previous caller about how thrill republicans had done

for regular americans or the middle class that's what i was trying to say when they were in power. guest: he says that obama's not listening to the people. he is. i mean, we elected him. he and the democrats were elected. they said they were going to change health care that the country was going to change. he wanted and people wanted change. >> now a lot of this stuff is being exradge reserveous dine party son and people like fox news. i have tried to watch them, and if i listen told some of the rhetoric including what governor pataki says, obama care, obama care, i keep hearing that and it's in a derogatory way, i would be scared to death, and it's just a misrepresentation.

one more point i would like to make. host: sure. caller: my grandchildren's future was stolen by george w. bush. unfunded war and medical bills and giving in to people's private business like the schiavo -- terry schiavo. i never heard people like governor pataki speaking up then. guest: marie, first of all, i hope i'm not frightening you. the one thing about this country is people can have honest and disagree with people without being disrespectful to those who do not agree with you. the president did say he was going to change health care but also said he was going to do it on c-span where everybody knew what was going on and do it in

the a way where we look to achieve some sort of a bipartisan consensus. he also said he was going to retire one person red of there's tell -- congress can't figure out how the bill applies to them let alone how it applies to the american people. it was done by ramming it through against will of the people and against interest of the people and that t theory was such that the politics the such that we will have gotten it done. we can't allow that to happen. that's why america is out there. because we're going to show the same denasty feoff host: we're not going to let the american people get away with it. guest: we're going to help change this law and make it

better for you and for the american people. host: follow up on one point marie refering to rush limbaugh and glen beck and other congressmen tarets, do they speak for this movement as well? guest: un, it's interesting to me. you can have people with president bush out there saying the most outrageous thing. you supported him or not? >> i depit 12. i'm at the head of the teacher's union. in little materials about how he'd like to see the governor dead. and there's no outcry about that. there seems to be a double standard. i believe in dialogue. i don't believe there's one person that speaks for the democratic or liberal move meant in this country.

heavy has person who speaks for the democrats and republicans and his dialogue are all that -- what advanced, boss -- as long as you sit for those representfully and we now see people legitimacy la jit matley upset with their government and assembling as they did at the tea parties. president said he was amused by their dissatisfaction. when you're a republican glove of new york i had piquets and protesters and demonstrations ought time. i didn't dismiss they will. i didn't demean them. i respected them and tried treat them civilly and in fact tried to listen because when people disagree with you to simply dismiss it is narrow minded, air depant and not way to lead and that's what the president did when he left

instead it would be niece exercise their rights and concerns for the future of this country. host: the new chairman of revere america. governor, thank you for being with us on c-span. ? thank you. guest: it's nice to see health care honestly discussed these days. host: thank you. the president and the candidate did talk about health care covering the health care sthalmt took place about two months ago. guest: well, thank you, steve. host: thank you, govern. one of the stories getting a fair amount of attention is front page of the new york styles. the headline is "gates saying the u.s. lacking policy to

thwart iran" he zwroins us. thank you for joipping us. host: you say good morning, jab finance. joel: and the public event the memo was sent to general james jones who is the national security advisor. and when a memo is sent formally from a defense secretary to the next security advisor, it's clearly intended for the top echelons of the national security team. at the white house. and beyond. and secretary gates whose been around washington now for 30-plus years and is the one who has dealt with trrn longest, since he has -- he has

a special role in iran policy. his former cia director, obviously now defense secretary. so he's been deeply involved. and so when we first heard that he had sent this memorandum concerned about whether or not there was long-term policy. i don't think that he was concerned about the sanctions issues. and for tuesday. his concern had to do with whether or not there was policy to deal with the moment, should it come, that iran is on the edge or a nuclear capability over the so what's called breakout, which is renowned the nuclear pro announced what city and what your -- did in 2003. guest: one --

host: one that you have here this morning on the front of the new york sometimes the gates memo appears to refleblingt concerns the white house did not have a well-prepared series of al alternative tivets in place in case the diplomatic steps finally failed. is there a sense that the diplome sip isn't working? guest: nop surprise hit that hasn't worked under president bush and obama. you will troll in addition outreach president obama during his time. there were three united nations security council sanctions resolutions voted against iran, all intended to of uranium. the iranians are still producing uranium, so by effort this is has failed. but it was interesting to hear

the reaction of the white house when we began to ask about this memo. they wouldn't acknowledge the memo itself because it's the a classified document. but they did make the point. and you'll see general jones quoted in the story making the point that the white house system focused on developing contingents for these possibilities for -- since 15 months ago. so they maintain that they have fully considered anticipate of these options. secretary gates the spokesman issue spoke late yesterday. host: jeff morale? >> yes. saying what the secretary acknowledge that is there's been a lot of work done here. but obviously if he believes that the policy issues had all been set and resolved, i suspect he probably wouldn't have written this memorandum in january. guest: we're -- host: we're talking with david

sanger on the phones at the "new york times." defense steck tear gates. can you believe pan its had ha hole indangness it's a long and teamy sale, but as your question combleed, this was a multi-laird effort to change behavior in iran. guest: so there's a diplomatic outreach they attempted last year. the iranians did not. reach back. so then the president moved a combination of sanctions and the outreach, and that sort of phase that the united states is in right now. so but at the same time i think there's been a recognition that if the iranians caused a --

crossed a line that no one in the administration wants to define all that clearly, then more forceful issues or techniques may have been employed. you have already seen quietly throughout persian golf as we report ad few months ago that the u.s. will be installing anti-missile batteries. taped via batteries and they've accelerateed the effort that began in the bush administration. i ropted by otherwise that there will habitat end of the bush administration stepped up covert actions. no one is purposefully thought of. you know, you can only have a major effort. you can have a well thought out strategy and it's possible none of it may work. host: do you think -- well you said the administration didn't respond tooth enact that there

was this memo. and i'm not going to ask you who gave it to you or what was the assumption get to things for the known that the conclusions or word of documents in this case which we made clear from people sleeping that, they are all liberally paid foff and naturally. i'm saulsal the way this thing sorts out. guest: mavs the that i think supposed sweetly -- a difference in view between those people who believe that this memorandum actually sparked a lot of new words starting in the gipping of this year, and those people who believe that when at the white house they didn't have all that

big sasts and in fact all this work was underway already. >> and it's tanger, the co-story written by the sthomplee couldn't be lonely on the american policy towards iran. the newspaper says -- thanks for being with us. guest: you're welcome. host: we're going to take a break and come back with your phone calls. tell us what's on your mind this morning. the other tables and broadcast sales i bank robbered then. >> the topic from the sunday shows will include continuing conversation and financial reform and other legislation pending on capitol hill and iraq. on nbc's meet the press david will be talking to timothy excite they are in.

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we're going to spend the next half-hour hearing from you. host: our line for republicans and democrats. if you're an independent, call. as well. we have we hope to have tom to join us to talk about adoption. there is a story in the new york sometimes about adoption. some cases, excuse me, love doesn't conquer haufment the distance being unimaginable. it generated-round the clock dugs onls television networks and something of an international incident with the throort adoption. that of course referring to the 7-year-old hugsal from her tennessee pore. that story in "the new york times." also from, this looking for

room for maneuver. senators are unhappy -- part in are the more they try to change, the more it stays the same. dan in his sunday take writing about the similarities and some of the differences between the pero movement and the tea party. he says it's not the same brand-new. the pro-movement tended to be older ravements. at age 68. i'm trying to understand the tea party movement, both movements began during economic distress and built on growing, and side proofs can i talk to the mirror sweets. good morning, yes, good morning to you. i had hoped to speak with governor pataki one of my an

crestors was instrumental in sembing peaks skill, i guess he serves there. but this is an american thing, and it seems hard to build up and governor pataki at this point represents a centerist. asia pointed out he had to give a lot of thing, but governor shirnings concerned there's plell flow there's something that joe lieber mand peter king were taking up all the floom the insurance company's pockets. but on the serious. what he should know and what i think folks of like mind really should know is that government on the business driven model that we've known for the better part of the last 30 years is in china now. and i don't think that smoled going to to maybe who will not

be instructed that part of their work is to promote whatever it is they are regulating. that has been going on in the faa, even with the mining thing. certainly with regard to financial and debate just get it rightt, will be enough to obligation to promote. what you regulate. you're there like a traffic cop. not like a good cop, bad cop -- host: i'll leavittt there. joe with this comment refering to open phones which is what we're doing right now. my favorite. i want my country back, long thrive dear leader, question mark? sand did later dealer. good morning. host: good morning. >> caller: good morning. i have two comments.

it was so much fun. obama care, which i do think is dread null looking at what socialized someone in other countries, and the over govern is so biased november i have to admit it i have to search to find well if you for c-span, again. because i think that is the only network where we can have some unbiased information. either you have fox which is far on one side or everything else seems to be democratic leaning, i wonder if you could help me with those questions. host: like? caller: like what does it take to rephilley law? >> i think part of it is the funding. can the i think govern pataki was saying if we could get at

new congress it would be more republican than democratic and much of the plan that the president puts forth won't happen until 2012, 2-13, mid sur iing -- denny story is joining us later. darnell is zwroing us from maryland, good morning to you. caller: how are you doing? mr. pam tacky. john he's being straight up with the people. if the republicans wanted to do something regarding american insurance, then they would have done it. i would like to see the republicans work with dennis kucinich, make the health care a law. insurance reformer. make the insurance reform better. you have it, it's a step in the rep so be honest, work with

dennis can you sinnish and make it better, can't to clairely fofere buying better with a democratic like dennis kucinich. thank you. host: thank you for the call. a look at the weekend review a look ott the relationship or lack throfe. in the body of the story there's a point we want to bring to your attention there's an historical analysis between thomas getting proposal that failed in the 1930's by comparison of course head the to you're going to wish i had a phase one but fotch he expects to hear a case involving health

care. steny hoyer the house democratic leader asked about health care and its funding over the next few months and years. here's an excerpt from our newsmaker's answer. and i think we need to sell this will product because it's complicated. no doubt about that. i had more public hearings, debate and more town meetings and discuss and all sorts of things thoupt country about the bill but it's a complicated bill. we're dealing with a very large segment of our economy and i think the administration is correct and that we need to inform people about the vote and what this fosm for businesses. why would we take a breag? it's been more effective deliverry of health care to martinez. we're going to help with waste, fraud and abuse.

>> neither of the american people need to ennis from tape otherwise. brian dominik particularly and making sure this is understood by the american people. host: do you have any names you'd like to throe out there? >> no. i don't have a specific name. i think there are a lot of good people out there. tom daschle is certainly somebody who is very good at communicating with the american people, understand it is health care system. i'm not recommending tom. i don't know whether tom daschle, senator daschle would be interested in that kind of situation but that's the kind of person who communicates well and understands the public and legislation is the kind of person that you need. hoirp congressman steny hoyer in our program that gets underway in 22 minutes. 10:00 eastern time and again it's 6:00, 3:00 for our viewers on the west coast also heard on

espn radio show. including the number one on the list a recent guest on our q & a program likal lewis the book is called the big short. people who saw the reals crash coming and made fofede the specific number three. karl rove is number four. still on the list. market hall pring and their book game change a look at the 2008 presidential campaign. billy, good morning. independent line. caller: good morning c-span. i want to say c-span is a great program. and it's a few things y'all could do better. the last guest you had up there, pataki. you let him go on and on and on and it seemed testimony callers that call in you can't hardly get the calls in.

i think there should be a time limit on how -- he well, time limit hmm? yes? yes. i'm saying you let some of those guys, they know exactly what they are doing. they'll keep going on and on after somebody give them a question and nobody gets chance to talk to them. most most of the rub temp another suggestion. can you hook those guys up to a truth meter, snabe i'm serious. because -- host: i'm not laughing at you, bill qui, i'm laughing with you. because it's hard. i know. caller: i'm saying because they get up there and lie and there's a part of the population that's very slow, un, uneducated, and they prey upon those people. and the stuff this guy was saying is rid clouse. if you go back and see how we got into this mess, it was mainly because of republicans it goes back to george bush's father, and the way -- he's the

one who started the nafta thing, the new free trade and clinton signed it but did it in a bipartisan way to satisfy the republicans. feoff for stpwharks and they taking all the money out of the service sectorened the things that was helping network' people and that's what they want. they eventually want to take all servicings away and put the money into other area where they can make money off of and if you'll notice these juarez, these people are getting superrich and we need to go back and look at the tapes from george bush's father and see, i know you guys got now they are coming back factory we wasn't

with them. this was different. threes are the people that these people been supporting for years and years and years. host: i'm going to have to stop you there but thank you. your comments on the front of the houston post. item nlings 7, reporting the dutch airline klm safely flew its aircraft without passengers through a window over europe and is now pressing to an end to a total ban on commercial air traffic that is folve they are also conducting similar tests, the the president canceling his plans to be in poland for the fufrpble services because of the problems over europe ann summerville. actually we go to jeff on the republican line. good morning. 40eu7 -- caller: good morning.

listen, as far as the last caller that just called in. i just like to remind billy that if america stops being america, who is going to step up and take over our mantra in the world which is something no one seems to want to answer that question when it comes dom foreign relations and the size of our military. if we do that what a lot of these socialized countries in the uk have done and shed military concerns where it's they all rely on us the common -- host: trude you you're next. summerville, south carolina. good morning. caller: good morning, steve. well, it's a beautiful day here in summerville. like heaven on earth and it was important that i got through because today would have been my daddy's birthday and he was one of the greatest

generations, -- host: where did he serve, trudy? caller: well, he was at pearl harbor when it hit. when hitler started warring, and so he did sign up and then he was at pearl harbor. but he would have been -- host: happy birthday to him. caller: well, i want to tell you a joke he would have liked to have told you eworries about the division in our country and what he would have said was do you know why they call it the happy medium? it's a joke. host: i'm waiting for the punchline. caller: because it's so rarely ever struck. host: very good. [laughter] caller: so, bye-bye. host: thanks for calling from summerville south carolina, jorny from brooklyn, good

morning to you independent line. johnny, you're on the hair. caller: can you hear me? host: we sure can. good morning to you. caller: so i was really surprised that governor pataki although i shouldn't be. you know, they all feed at the same trough. the politicians from both sides. but particularly with pataki coming out, give at any disdeignful past and the corruption between his wife and property dealings of his administration to come out and talk of entitlements. you know it's never an entitlement plan when it's for benefitting corporate benefits or the top 2% of this country or when the country is bankrupt and the money went to companies like halliburton who then threatened to move their businesses offshore. you know this country has been robbed by that upper 2% and

everyone is running to be a quote-unquote patriot in the name of this tea party movement but i think they are going to be surprised. i really pray we'll all be surpriseed in november that people even they are against health care plan a lot of people are because it doesn't go far enough. host: katrina is joining us from the republican line. caller: i would like to say we have already experienced obama care. we picked up our prescription on monday, the 12th. and the prescription went from $12.45 and it's been the same price for six years to almost $ 40. >> this was $39 and some change. caller: had you called the insurance between? i called the pharmacy because there's a tech i worked with and she said all of our prices are skyrocketting and people are screaming at us but we can't eat the cost. every time i hear the democrats

talking ant creating jobs or taxing businesses i hear we're going to tax the citizens because we're the ones who get it. i said is this because of obama care? >> she says yes, they wouldn't have gone up. that's a 220% increase. fortunately right no i can afford that but what about the people who can't afford it when it goes up 200-300%? the other experience i've had is i've always been able to go in and cash my husband's paycheck now they are making me fill out a deposit slip. and i said why? what is it? >> they said they are cracking down banks. we have no federal regulations. host: your point? caller: i have no tron make it up. host: speaking of president obama and some of its predecessors, speaking from the reading one is the rise -- the

expertise in the washington outlook section looks at the president's night steend check out what he is thinking in historical sense the president follows readers dating back to its founders john adam's libraries had -- thomas jefferson's massive book collection launched him into massive debt and later became the library of congress and the rough rider himself who charged through multiple books in a acceptingal day and wrote dozens of well-regarded works from the war of 20 david from fort worth texas democrats line good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i was originally talling in to comment on the health care but also want to comment from the gentleman who called in from north carolina if i might. host: sure. caller: first of all i'm glad i got health care esm reform.

should have been single pair plan. such as congress and the senate have. and i might am a totally disabled veteran and have it through the v.a. it's wonderful. i spent four years in great brit and used the nhs national health service. that works wonderful. but you see, you've taken all these you've team all these private companies out of the hospitals and the ambulance service, everything. now if we want to -- if these republicans are worried about funding it, we need to fair to all these contractors no. oh, and we don't need their

mercenaries over there either. they are spending a lot of money on that each and every week. >> fir interested in "the new york times" taking a look at some past supreme court justices dating back to harry blakman and 1970 based on a study conducted by the university of washington and the -- nearly all supreme court justices who served at least 10 years grew either more liberal or more conservative while on the court. justice backwell was viewed as more liberal in his decisions in 1993. conversely if you look at antonin scalia he was viewed as moderately conservative growing more conservative in 2008. justice scooter. another depramp right dehe was vudes as much more liberal when he retired and justice lewis

referred more tim? joipping us from mess i can, michigan, independent line, good morning to you. caller: good morning, steve. how are you? host: fine, thank you. caller: pleasure getting through to you. host: the pleasure is ours. and we're glad to hear from you. caller: it's pretty funny. because i think governor pataki. i think he thought he was on fox news instead of the "washington journal." because when he was saying about how obama is raising the taxes on the average american and small businesses, from what i understand the opposite of that is true. am i mistaken in that? host: well, the president commented on that that those earning less than $2,000 will not pay more in taxes and that is tax cut for middle class americans. caller: that's what i'm saying. governor, this is not fox news, you can't just make things up.

host: and some of our twitter followers and called him than to, too. caller: now i'm glad you reminded me you got this guy joe from georgia and likes to call in once every 20 days or so. host: joe mccutchen. sounds like a three-pack a day republican cheerleader guy. host: he is a c-span caller and will known once every 30 days. caller: well, it was yesterday and then on march this. i really do have to get a life and job, but, you know. host: well, we'll call him on it next. steve, open phones for the next eight or nine minutes. republican line. good morning, steve. caller: yes. i had a question. where is, like, everybody's talking about we're all broke. we all -- where is all the

money? that's my question. host: ok. caller: betty from waukegan, illinois. good morning. caller: depooping. my question is on the contest the young children are having from the different schools. i tweent give them kudos. they are really listening to what's going on. and i think that the tea party people are going to be quite surprised, because you did quote the ages of the tea party. and i feel like that the young people are not living in the guess who's coming to dinner stage. thank you, very much. host: thank you. frank this morning, welcome to confederate history month. >> a look at the governor of california for the what is known is that the fearly all-white gop is now traumatized by race and it's

now morphed into a pair gone of racial and for irrefutable proof look at the chairman whose wreckless spending would cost him the job of many others entestimony only because he is the seoul black nan a white party higher arky. that hierarchy is fearful as crossing him as it is of calling tout extreme bow bama haters in its ranks. greg is joining us from buffalo, new york. good morning, independent line. caller: yes. good morning, steve. it's my 30 days and you know that i'm going to talk call about the tweeters. american hero every day we get to hear from him. why don't you take this as i always bring up why don't you take the 30-day rule off and let us have at it.

you got that guy from north carolina calling in every day starting off by disguising his voice and talks about how the country is uneducated. that's got to stoop. let's just open up the phones, open up the tweeters and let's just stop worrying about the 30-day rule until have you done any thilling than to? host: we're always thinking, greg. caller: of course people are violating every day. let's -- host: you still there? caller: yes. and by the way, i'm the fellow you called about tim russert here in buffalo. let me tell you what i'm looking at up here. i live just outside of buffalo in a town called clarence, new york. host: i know it well. caller: yes, you do and know it's quite welterweighty in this town and every monday my wife and i read "the buffalo news" and she reads off to me how many houses are being sold and the house around here is

$700,000 to $800,000 dollars and in the past six months there's been three houses sofmente so maybe we can have a so i can look if the economy is going to serve. also we live in half the year in the winter time. and when -- comes back, i'll let you know but here in the outside of buffaloals it's really, everybody have a nice day. thank you. host: thank you. al joining us from pine bridge, new york. good morning. caller: good morning. am i on? host: you sure are. caller: quickly i wanted to make two comments. the first was on health care. you have a 3.8% sales tax on houses now. i don't believe that the government has ever been able to stacks houses directly an now they are actually doing that. i'd like to know if that's something where the federal government has the right to do that on the sale of a house.

the other thing is when you take a look at the overall health care system, since the end of the war, the second world war where most of the world went to a socialized medicine. the united states has been the leader. and i think it's been like six or eight times that they haven't won the nobel prize in advancement of medicine. when you take a look at that. it's because of our economy and the way in with us going into socialism or socialized medicine, we're not going to be able to have those innovations because it's not rewarding enough. host: from a twitter comment and the only confederate history the virginia needs to recognize is the surrender news flash the south lost. next is al from pine bridge, new york, republican line or no

more questions, loretta, fort valley. good morning. caller: good morning. i was calling in rens to the lady who said her medicine went up. my medicine went down. and i don't think it has anything to do with president obama. maybe she need to try the generic instead of the brand medicine. but i called her, she seemed to have been very anxious to try to naught in to that. and maybe she need change it up so maybe she can find a better price. thank you. host: thank you. and another comment on the tweet i just read saying the south did not lose. we will rise again. marion is joining us from cincinnati. good morning. caller: good morning. i wanted to get on with your preevels guest to expose a lie that he set there and told the american people. he said that the insurance companies currently do not deny people with preexisting

conditions. i work for one of the major insurers in the country. that is my job monday through friday to deny, deny, deny. he lied. we do it. we've always done it. and i am so thankful for this insurance reform so it can stop. but he would sit this and tell that lie when he knows that's not true, and i wouldn't follow him across the street. thank you. host: thank you. our last call is from ken in cincinnati. good morning. caller: yes, the reason i'm calling. i have solution for our economic problems it's when i what -- 3% that doesn't allow the government ensure 3% loans and allow everyone to go to their bank and finance at 37 and the only time government was involved is if someone were to default on a