that and this election will recapture the state legislature, both of our congressional seats, and i will keep my seat with been strong candidates with the former attorney general is a real talent. >> senator gregg, thank you for being on "newsmakers." i want to turn to our two reporters for a quick wrapup. victoria mcgrane, let's start with financial regulation. it is pop -- it is passing possibly this week or next week. >> center greg expect this to pass. i think there will be quite a few republicans who are unhappy. senator bradley, senator snowe are already crossing the aisle to vote with democrats. i think you'll see a fair number of more moderate republicans supporting this bill so democrats will not have a problem passing it.

>> what are the big events coming up that our viewers should be watching? >> one is to do with preempting state regulations for banks and consumer protection. that is a big one that has to do with the derivatives market to oppose new rules on this gigantic market which is un- policed. they have not worked out a compromise for a new consumer protection unit and sign the fed. some of these other issues appeared to be settled, but there are still big issues that will affect the banking industry. >> another big amendment from the democratic side will impose a stronger version of the volcker rule which will ban banks engaging in proprietary trading. is a very hotly opposed by the financial industry.

-- it is a very hotly opposed. chris dodd is driving this legislation. the administration supports it. and has a good chance of passing. it will be a huge blow to wall street. >> were you surprised or not surprised that he seemed to be frustrated with the action on this legislation in the senate and the work that is being done by republicans and democrats? >> the republicans have suffered a number of setbacks in the last few days. the senate has gone down to debating and voting on amendments and republicans have moved and a number of them have been rejected. that is frustrating for them. he really answered my first question which was the political calculation they made early on about how this would play out.

the republicans initially tried to block any debate on the bill at all and abandon that strategy. now debating is not going so well. it is a source of frustration. >> that is why i asked the question about if he thought republicans may strategic errors. there were months and months in which senator shelby and later center corker from tennessee -- senator corker from tennessee tried engaging with senator dodd. there was an idea that republicans passed up opportunities to really cement a deal with senator dodd that would have been much more to their liking than what this bill will end up being because of in fighting and misreading the signals of how the politics of

the issue being against them. they may have been better off to strike a deal will be for this got to a floor. >> victoria mcgrane and kevin drawbaugh, thank you very much. >> in the relentless revolution, you seem professor joyce appleby describing why this is a cultural situation. >> south korea -- south dakota senator john thune spoke at the annual meeting. he remarked on the and state of the country and the nation. senator thune is introduced by rnc chairman michael steele. >> i want to welcome all the view and thank you for what has been, we hope for you, a wonderful day and a half so far of the business and information.

we really appreciate everything that the staff has done to put together this event for us. sarah, thank you for all of the hard work and dedication. we want to also make sure that we have an opportunity to welcome and north friend who is here with us, the hon. senator from the great state of arkansas tim hutchinson. thank you, sir, for being here. welcome. [applause] on a note that i know is personal so -- for so many of you and i think is important for us as a family to take note of, we have news to keep the national committee man from arkansas and in our prayers. he has been very seriously ill.

in talking with the family from arkansas, it is close. it is a difficult time for them right now. if all of you would please honor jim through prayer and keep him close in your hearts. it would be important for him and certainly for his family. i want to make sure everyone was aware of that. it the pleasure to listen to a man who is no stranger to excitement, upset, and keeping things going. as you look at his background and learn a little bit about him, he is a glutton for punishment. since he was first drawn to public service when he met congressman jim abner criticized his basketball shooting game -- really. i have to share with you my

basketball story. the coach said, "son, do not ever do this again." he went on to work for the good senator. like so many of our heroes today, he served in the reagan administration. he worked for the small business administration. like many of you today, john was dean ed and the state party in south dakota. in 1996 he joined it to shake things up in the house after the 1994 revolution. he kept his term-limit pledge and went home after three terms. in 2004, we were cheering wildly. i am sure you can remember where you were on that election night when he took down at tom daschle. [applause] in honor of that great feat, we

plan to take down harry reid. [applause] at that time, it was the first time in 52 years a sitting senate leader had been taken out. this man came with his best game and got it done. we look forward to having that great moment again this year. the senator is the head of the politics committee and i have the pleasure of meeting with him and many of the senators every tuesday as they talk about not opportunities in the senate but how, as a party, we get through the message. he is number four in leadership in the senate. his heart is in grassroots. it is important in this time for us because we need that connection. it says that this party is about our grass roots. john thune is one of those guys who allows us to do that every

day through his leadership in his state and across the country. it gives me great pleasure to welcome to the microphone a friend, a family member, and someone who is doing great work for us, the hon. john stone from south dakota. -- john stone from south dakota. [applause] >> thank you all very much. thank you. thank you, michael. thank you for flattering me by wearing those thune stickers. i appreciate the leaders are presented here in the room, committee women, executives, and i have my delegation here from south dakota. deena, our ed, and as michael said, i was an ed and we look

forward to a great year in south dakota and have great hopes with regards to some of the races in our state. i know that is true around the country. that will come down to the people in our room inspiring and helping to raise resources so we can get that job done. michael has said we go a ways back. we campaigned together when he was running for the senate in 2006. that was not a particularly good year to be running for the senate. i am very pleased that he is our chairman and that race did not work out how we had hoped, but he is serving in a capacity that is critically important to our party and country. i have to tell a story because you mentioned basketball. we all knew that michael was going to do great things with this position and previous posts that he had held. after campaigning with him, i

happened to run into one of his basketball coaches from his formative years. i had this discussion with him and he said, we knew michael would do great things from a very early age because he demonstrated a great capacity for leadership, decision making. he said there was one game in particular where they were playing this team. the game started and before the first quarter was over, they were down by 15 points. a guy on the other team was just killing them. the coach said he called a timeout and not everyone in a huddle. we needed to do something to stop no. 22. if we keep letting him getting these shots off, we will be out of this game in no time. showing the great leadership potential that he had, michael stepped up and said, "i will take canada because i am not guarding anyone -- i will take

him because i am not guarding anyone." [laughter] or something like that. there may be a little embellishment there. i appreciate the chance to be here this evening. these are interesting times for our country. i compare this to a story i heard a while back about a person who wanted to become a locomotive engineer. he went to the place where you get such training. he had an instructor there. they said if you have a train coming from this direction at 65 miles per hour, a train coming from this way at 45 miles per hour, what would you do? he said, i think that would call my brother. the instructor said that was a strange answer. my brother has never seen a really bad train wreck before. i look at what is happening in washington, d.c., and it seems like that is the direction we

are heading in unless we can change the direction. that is what we are fixing to do in november. that is why it is important that everyone in this room is involved in that effort. in 1900 six, two norwegian brothers came to this country in search of the -- elaine 1906. the only words. or apple pie and coffee. immigration informed than they needed to change their names. i think they thought that it would be too difficult to spell and pronounced. they picked the name of the farm where they worked which was the "thune" farm. that was my grandfather. he and my great of go to work on the transcontinental railroad. they saved enough money to start it came merchandising company --

to start a merchandising company. when the great depression hit, it made it difficult. they went in different directions. they stayed in the hardware business, but my grandfather started a hardware store in a town of its population of 600. the middle son, my father, went on to start at minnesota. when world war ii started, he became a naval aviator and was assigned to the uss intrepid. in 1944, he was involved in one of the greatest naval battles in history where he shot down four enemy aircraft for which he received the distinguished flying cross. when the war ended, he came back, married his sweetheart, came back to our hometown. my grandfather's health was not so good. he asked him to take over the

hardware store. i then said he felt like he had a responsibility to do that. he settled down in our small community and started raising his family. there are five of us. i do not think my grandfather or father would have expected that anyone in our family would go into the profession of politics. as michael said, i had a random encounter as a freshman in high school with our congressman which peaked my interest in politics. it was about the same time that ronald reagan came on to the political scene. i met the congressman in january 1976. as i got older, are registered to vote for the first time and president reagan ran in 1980. i decided i wanted to be a republican because i liked what he had to say. i was impressed by his conviction and his belief in american exception was a map. i'm impressed by his willingness to confront the communist

threat around the world. i was impressed by his sunny optimism, his belief that america's best days were ahead of us, his belief that you achieve peace through strength. all of the things he talked about where things that really struck a chord with me. that is how idec interested in politics, and more importantly republican -- that is how i got interested in politics. we were in really tough shape, but it was the principal the leadership that he brought at that time in history which i think brought america's spirit back to let us -- which led us to a whole new standing in the world. is that kind of leadership that i think america covets today. i remember a story he once told when we were fighting the cold war about a guy in the soviet union who wanted to buy a car. he goes into the transportation bureau and says he wants to buy a car. the guy says you can pick up

your black sedan 10 years from today. the guy says, will that be in the morning or the afternoon? the guy at the transportation rewrote says, what difference does it make? he says he has the plumber coming in the morning. ronald reagan had a way of captioning -- capturing what was so unique about the american experience. it is what separates us from so many countries about the world. it is the principle of 1176. -- 1776. as a look at the challenges we face today, i am reminded of that. i think about the things that this great party stands for -- a limited role of government, personal freedom coupled with personal responsibility, fiscal responsibility, not spending more than you have come a living within your means, and belief

that you do achieve peace through strength, the superiority of the individual over the government. those are foundational republican principles. as a the to the challenge we face today, there are no easy answers. -- as i look at the challenge we face today, there are no easy answers. back in 1970, ronald reagan had the national governor's association proposed welfare reform. it was defeated 49-1. it was not until 26 years later in the 1996 that a republican congress passed welfare reform. that changed the culture of this country in a positive way of recognizing the dignity that comes with our work. it is that kind of bold leadership that will take america to that next plateau. what do people care about in america today? first and foremost our jobs and

the economy. if it were president reagan looking at that, he would wonder what the best thing -- the best way to do that is. he would say, do not do any harm. do not pass these programs that rely on a massive tax increases and borrowing at a time where you have an economy in a recession. do not put new punishing energy taxes on people who are trying to businesses. do not raise taxes on capital gains, dividends, and marginal income that are going to happen next year if the leadership here in washington has its way. do no harm. focus on small businesses. it is ironic to me that we passed a $1 trillion stimulus bill in washington, d.c., but it was all about big government. it had nothing to do with small businesses.

who are the job creators? they are the small businesses. we ought to be looking at how do we provide incentives for them to go at and create more jobs. it means keeping taxes low, not putting these burdensome regulations on them, giving them an energy policy that keeps energy rates low. those are the types of things we ought to be forced on when we are trying to -- we ought to be focused on when trying to grow jobs. on the contrary, our leadership is more intent on building more bureaucracies in washington, d.c., and a massive spending programs that rely on tax increases. that is not the prescription for creating jobs. there are no easy answers. when it comes to the issue of debt, i think people are concerned about is that there is a fear, a palpable fear, that this enormous burden of debt that we have as a nation is

going to strangle us and bankrupt us to force future generations to have to deal with a lower standard of living, and lower quality of life than we enjoyed. the federal government last year, out of every $1 spent in washington, d.c., 43 cents was borrowed. 10 years from now, we will spend more on interest on the debt. it is stunning when you look at the trajectory we are on if we do not take steps to change that direction. again, there are fairly simple principles you can bring into this equation. do not spend money you do not have. we cannot continue to borrow from the chinese and hand the bill to our children and grandchildren to finance this new spending in washington, d.c. we need to get the spending under control. you need to cap spending.

with the preparation bills that passed, we increase discretionary spending by 21% at a time when the rate of inflation was 3.5%. we ought to and programs like tarp which have outlived their usefulness. we ought to make sure that the moneys paid back into the program go to pay down the federal debt so it does not continue to grow and become a political slush fund. we need to pass a balanced budget in this country. [applause] when the south dakota legislature goes home, they have balanced their budget. the constitution says that they have to. here in washington, d.c., we continue to borrow and borrow. we passed the bill on to our

children and grandchildren. there are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. when it comes to national security, which i think is on the minds of a lot of americans, look at the attacks as recent as last week. you have to be struck by the fact that sometimes here in washington, and particularly in this administration, there is more of a concern with the rights of terrorists with political correctness than there is with preventing that next attack from happening. we have a perfectly acceptable detention facility in guantanamo bay. we do not need to bring terrorists to the united states. we do not need to try them in civilian courts. we need an administration that understands that what prompts them to admit -- to commit these acts are not psychological problems. it is because they have an ideology, radicalism, extremism that is being taught and

permeating this country and exposing us to those kinds of terrorist attacks. we need to understand what the threats are in this country and confront terrorism in the same way our predecessors dealt with the challenges they faced in their generation. there are not any easy answers, but there are simple answers. president reagan once said that the problem with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant. if you think about the vision that they have for the country and how that contrasts with what we present to the american people as we head into the midterm elections, it could not be more striking. the differences could not be more clear. elections are about differences. they ran on a campaign of change in the last election. i do not think that most of the american people thought the change was going to lead to this massive expansion of government in washington, d.c., that takes more power and money from them,

creates more jobs for bureaucrats, try it -- piles trillions and trillions of debt on to future generations. that is not what i think the american people had in mind. i think the american people are receptive and will respond to the message -- to than that is consistent with this basic republican principles. i think most americans right now are sitting around their kitchen tables, perhaps even right now, trying to figure out how they will make their ends meet, how the book cut their budgets, how they will live within their means. the only place that is not being done is here in washington, d.c., where it is business as usual. this is a crossroads election. it is a very important time for america. we are going to choose the vision for the future that consists of more taxes, more

borrowing, more spending, more government or we are going to choose a future that is consistent with the principle that build this great country and will continue to make it strong. those are the principles like personal freedom, personal responsibility, fiscal responsibility, peace through strength. those are the types of principles that made this great country what it is today. we are moving on a very different track right now. if we did not change directions, we are heading for a physical wreck, and national-security rack -- a fiscal iraq, and national security wreck. as i look at my status s.d. and across this country, people are creating -- as i look at my state of south dakota, people want to elect officials into office who are intent on solving

problems. i have a plaque on my wall in my office that is a quote from the president of the netherlands in the 1800's he said that when principals began to win in this your convictions that piece becomes sen. you must, at the price of dearest peace, laid bare your convictions before friend and enemy with all of the fire of your face. it is time for us to be in the arena. it is time for people all across this country and across our states to get engaged in the political process. if we offer them a vision and future that consists of those basic principles which i think to lead to great outcomes, we will grow our majorities in the

house and senate. we will prepare for majorities in the state legislatures all across this country, governorships, and hopefully in 2012 and the president. that is what this midterm election is all about. in 2002, i lost an election. i lost it by 524 votes. it was the first time i ran for the senate. i had to go up or out. i decided to challenge an incumbent from my state who was going down until the very end. it was not known until wednesday at 9:00 a.m. i remember watching that the vote total flip and losing the election by 524 votes. i cannot tell you how many people came up to me and said, if i knew if it was going to be that close i would have voted. [laughter] i would have done this or done that.

it will always be close. it is a game of inches. it comes down to execution. you all know that. it is why we have to do a better job this time around. when 2004 came around, i remember sitting in my living room after the 2002 election and we were having this discussion. i will tell you that it is sometimes much harder on the spouses. she looked at me and said, "i am not going to another campaign unless god himself comes to the door and says you have to run." i do not think that is going to happen, honey. as time passed and we had an opportunity to process when we had been through, we were sitting in the living room again having a similar discussion. she looked at me and said, "i finally realized that what we went through in losing that campaign last year was not just

about winning. it was about the race." that is a pretty interesting observation. which she had concluded was that as much as i was intent on winning, and i am a competitive person, at the end of the day we need to be in the arena. we need to be in the race. .

if we will do that, we can consistent with those core values and principles build a better and brighter and more prosperous future for future generations. thank you very much. may god bless you and may god bless the united states of america. thank you. >> monday on c-span, campaign events from two candidate running in tuesday's special election in pennsylvania's 12th congressional district. a get-out-the-vote rally and a rally for republican ken burns with massachusetts senator scott brown in washington. they are running to serve out the remaining term of john murtha. that is monday night beginning at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span. and now, a look at the midterm

elections. from "washington journal," this is just under an hour. "washiton journal" continues. host: are sunday round table with kevin madden and maria cardona. let's begin with a headline in the "the washington post" -- everyone has a different definition of the anger. definition of the anger. but the expressions of displeasure are everywhere. >> that is right. people are angry. people are fearful. there is a lot of banks because of the recession. there arereat signs in terms of recovery, but until we see the numbers in terms of job eation, people will continue to be nervous and will focus it on washington. i think it is anti-incumbent and not anti-democratic. we have seen it all around. the republican leadership has even said that is anti-cumbent because of what happened to bob bennett in utah.

we are seeing across the board. what democrats need to do is -- we knew that these midterm elections would be difficult. what happened in 2006 and 2008 in terms of democrats winning more house seats, it meant that there are few republican seats left to lose. so there are a lot of democratic seats that are vulnerable. we know that. we are in a good situation in terms of raising money. we will take the case to the voters, eachemocrat that will be up. they will talk about what they have done that for their constituents and the last two years, eight years, however many years they have been in office. we will make sure we keep as many seats as possible. host: kevin madden. guest: i think it is an anti- washington sentiment.

people are starting to lose faith in institutions in congress. the biggest proble for congress is that there is this canyon between where the voters are on many issues and the way the voters have reacted, or the public has reacted to the downturn and the way congress has appeared when you go through the economic downturn, most families start to do more with less. they react conservatively. they are looking at a congress and the washington that has reacted liberally. spending policies, proposed tax policies, bigger government. there is a huge disconnect there. the problem is -- i would argue that it is an anti-incumbent, but the problem for democrats is there are more democrats than republicans. they are the ones in charge. they are the ones, voters are beginning to hold them responsible. i do think the electorate has this interesting instinct of revenge. they are turning out incumbents

that were here 20-30 years, that seniority andof clout. it is being held against them. they're almost doing it apologetically. they are saying it, it is time for somebody new. host: the president this past weekend, a fund raiser in buffalo, new york, and then traveled into new york city for a fund-raiser and said this about the upcoming midterm elections and the republican party. >> we have our mops and brooms out. we are cleaning stuff up. hold the broom better, is what they're saying. don't tell me how to mop. pick up a mop. do some work on behalf of the

american people to solve some of these problems. [applause] strategywasn't their from day one. i am not making this up. i am not making this up. this is public record. they have said in interview, we made a political decision. if we did not do anything, we the otherwell, maybe side would take the blame. we did our best to gum up the rks, to say no to everything. after they drove the car into the ditch, another what the keys back -- now they want the keys back. [laughter] no! [applause] drive.n't guest: i find it interesting

that when the president starts to talk about the challenges we have in this country, he continues to sag, we have to stop finger-pointing and get things done. then when it is a chance to introduce politics, he goes all the way i starts pointing fingers back at the republicans. the democrats are in charge. they have majorities in both houses. he has to start leading. i think what theepublicans did is they decided to present themselves as the alternative, and democrats tried to paint us as the party of no. over this past year-and-a-half, we see in the american public become the electorate of no. they are saying no to spending and no to this left-of-center overreach that we are seeing. we have actually had some success of the last year because

we have realigned ourselves with mainstream america on the issues. an important part of the democrats' coalition, independents, come the republican way. we have said here is how we would do healthcare and cut spending. i disagree with the presidents of finger-pointing, and i think that is why republicans will do better. host: two specific details. the gop has big ideas. the thing i want to ask you about is the parents' tax cut. parents must -- invest thousands of dollars and parents do not get the tax breaks they need.

the second point is a republican of wisconsin who wants to change the entitlement programs, in terms of medicare and medicaid and social security, saying this country cannot afford the central -- scheduled increases in these benefits. guest: let's look at the details. president obama is exactly right in that when he came to washington, he had an agenda of change. that is what he has done since he walked into office. he has tried to do it in a bipartisan manner. to kevin's point of laying blame, you need to do that when you are trying to set the record straight. he came in trying to talk to republicans and convince them to pick up a mop and help them fix the situation they created over the past eight years. all we got was obstructionism. that was the only thing they were offering the american people. they said from the beginning.

the president sai it again -- this is their political strategy. jim demint said it, they just want to see president obama fail, because that is how they would see success. the issue in terms of taxes. this is something the democrats need to underscore. it came out in "usa today" where it said the 2009 tax bill was the lowest the american people have had in more than 60 years. the tax cuts he promised, he has delivered on. only 95% of americans have the lowest tax bill they have had since president truman. that is something democrats need to talk about. the need to talk about the situation that the president inherited when he walked into office. 750,000 jobs were being lost

per month when he came into office. we created the biggest job creation in over four years last month. while people are not feeling it yet, and we need to continue to work harder because those numbers are not good enough, we need to continue to remind the american people why we were in this situation. we were not starting from ground zero when the president walked we were trying to bring us bk from the brink of the biggest economic daster since the great depression. guest: and yet the deficit is approaching $13 trillion. i find that amazing with the american public as far as they understand it. it usually takes a long time. when you see the deficit in polling, it usually ranks pretty low. it is not something that jim and mark but in middle america are sitting around talking about. -- jhiim and martha in mide

america are sitting around talking about. talking about. the democrats have proposed more spending. it has filtered back to voters th this is becoming an increasingly big problem. we may be eating some jobs, we are creating 20 many jobs in the government sector and not in the private sector -- too many jobs in the government sector and not in the private sector. washington continues to open up this ticket -- the spick from the u.s. treasury. they elected a post-partisan and a centrist. but he has governed very differently. on january 20, and then on

february 12, he went down on the a democratic retreat and lambaste a republican. the door to buy partisanship closed very early on in this ministration. there was a poisod atmosphere from the beginning because of the prident hyper partisan actions, all sugared over with bipartisan talk. host: let me put another topic on the table. elena kag. guest: what the white house did was precentor with the type of résume mthat she has -- incredibly qualified and brilliant. she has a terrific resonate in terms of being the dean of harvard law school, have experience at the white house, which puts her in a unique position. in terms of her understanding how the decisions are made that

will impact real people. the fact that she has been incredibly well qualified in incredibly well qualified in terms of history. she was at harvard. she did a lot of changes at harvard. that undescores the fact that she understands the kind of environment that real people have every day. i think the rollout was terrific. a lot of republicans have been very gracious. a lot of them saying -- not say they will vote for her, but 11 of them voted for her when she was up for solicitor general. that is another important piece of experience she has. host: some of the news of the weekend is that the obama wte house is asking the clinton library to release 160,000 pages, documents related to her.

when republicans go after her, is a hypocritical? -- for her lack of experience. guest: i think there is a higher standard that you have to meet. the risk is when you have somebody that has aeady been confirmed by the senate, even though it is n for our judicial appointment, but for solicitor general, you have now created a higher standard for yourself when you're born to try to prove that. to provee going to try that. it is not about her lack of experience. it -- there are some individuals that have made that point. host: this morning, one reporter said that what is most striking is the extent to which it is about obama. it is no secret that he sees the

supreme court's conservative majority as an obstacle to his agenda. surely there are republicans on the senate judiciary committee prepared to challenge the president by standing up for fundamental liberty. . .

jo people are not quite sure that she will match their liberal check marks. clearly, she is a nominee for the democratic situation. there's no question in terms of her beliefs. in terms of the person she will be replacing, another reason republic cans won't beuick to oppose her is because her opiniowon't quhange the profile of the court

host: has clout become the kiss of death guest: institution tutions roit now the news media is being questioned. they areot happy with both potical parties or the administration. as far away from washington as you can run. the best cal queue luiyou can have. >> you need to demonstrate

exactly what you have at home in these two years, congress has addressed them a lot. this doesn't have the same

political guarantee that it used to. in the pennsylvania race, the 12th district, a closely watched race let's go to me lisa on the republican line. good morning. >> caller: i want 0 to say as far as kegan, it doesn't matter to me who her politics are. what matters to me is that she up holds the law. you can have an opinion when you are given a statement about a specific decision that's made.

to say he was completely dumb struck by what was happening is an excuse to me. when 9/11 happened, george bush didn't blame bill clinton for it. he took responsibility and action. when do you think it is proper for a president to take responsibility for their actions. this is getting to the point of ridiculousness. i'm waiting for barack obama to say the bp oil spill was george bush's fault. guest: i think what barack obama has done --

he has taken responsibility for everything he's done since he walked in to the oval office. it is important to point out that we didn't walk in to ground zero. it takes a long time to get

into the hole. the president takes responsibility for everything he's done from day one. what he has done is tried to put us back on the pafpblg economic grieged making sure we are growing our jobs. last many, we had the biggest job growth. we are not satisfied. clearly main street is not feeling it yet. you mentioned this earlier. more than 2/3 of the jobs created were private sector jobs. >> who belongs on the bench. the elite, no apologize needed. they are from different parts of new york.

she believes this must be about who c interpret the law. we have these standard that's other people hold up to it. melissa's point is one that is incrosingly being shared. forget about all the personal stuff. forget about what law school they went to. is this person going to faithfully up hold the law i

have a feeling she'll get 7-10 republicans supporting her. host: a call from orange county, california. caller: good morning. one of the main problems is the hyper partisanship that has developed as the news media has expanded to the internet as well as obviously fox news. people that watch fox and other news have two totally different senses of reality. it seems that the hot button issues, fox seems to drive real hard as far as wedge issues are concerned. a lot of miss givings about people who can't speak the length wadge correctly

they have poor personal habits and such. take the fence that theyuilt between america and mexico where they did build a fax. disassemble the thing and rebuild it along the mason nixon line. maybe all those people who do have problems with the english language from getting confused. language from getting confused. host: i should point out what are you wearing. guest: my bracelet says ask for my papers. i am a lat irve na, i speak spanish and have brown skin. i could get pulled over for not having my license.

guest: my parents immigrated here from ireland in 1964. i have an interest in this as well. it becomes less about the color of their skin and more about if the federal government is protecting our poorder. the arizona reaction is one where the state has become so bee leaguered. i won't judge the law. i don't know enough about it to criticize it too much. i will say that the caller makes an interesting point. a lot of times because the media covers these things. the squeeky wheel will always get the oil. immigrion is a very complex

issue. it is not going to be solved in a day. even if we agreed on it, we wouldn't agree. the specifics where we start to argue. this bill, the healthcare, the hyper partisanship referred to was not about death panals. that became a distraction. the squeeky wheel will always get the attention. a parking lot full of 100 cars, no one will notice it. no one will notice it. that is the way i think a lot of the media starts to focus. there are really reasonable debates we can have that don't get the same coverage of the hot topics.

responsibly for climate change issues. and the older brother. the two are challenging each other to head up the labor party in great britain. guest: their parents must be having a hard time. having a hard time. >> nick clegg and cameron both in their early 40's, they almost look alike. that is clearly the biggest

challenge. everybody is nervous about that. to kevin's point in terms of folks being disappointed in the two-party system. when we need to focus on is that the two-party system has worked thus far. one of the things that everybody can do is to make sure everybody participates in this system. one of the most interesting ings to me depen as a naturalized citizen. is that less than 50% of the people come out to vote.

if you are not voting, then don't complain. it was still very, very and didn't even get to 70 or 75% of voter participation. we think that's when we will start seeing a lot of folks better understand and accept the two party system.

what great britain is going through is quite fascinating really truly my faff rite. on two sides i have one thing republicans do quite well. they stay on message and repeat their message. one thing you saw the president do was repeat the messaging quite a bit. it gets repetitive. they seem to have a new

message. with regards to one of the previous callers, i a degree this you have to point out some of these issues to set the record straight when it comes to the oil spill, it probably b will be george bush's fault.

i think the caller is pointing to an interesting did he lema in that republicans do repeat the talking points they won the message. but i think it goes to the fact that the democratic party has a much bigger tent. it is a lot more difficult for democrats to say from top down,

here are the talking points. here, mr. or miss democrat and you mr. or miss liberal democrat have got to slip.

i would not necessarily agree with that. what you're seeing is that the middle became very large. the middle is where i would argue that barack obama build base was there. he won by convincing a moderate, many people who had left the republican party and became self identified as independent, even convincing some republicans to vote for him. that is out democrats win in places like indiana. -you look at colorado, arapahoe county or jefferson county, they are now held by a democrat eats the

middle was a they have lost them over the ated. they've entertained and tried advance an agenda very left of center. we can bring them all over to our side. they are contracting what is going on. a lot of the races this year with folks like the tea party movement and making decisions for which are to run.

you have a lot of representatives win guest: and democts are running scared. and they should be as long as they can show guest: trillions of dollars of deficits is what you will have to explain. spending has not stopp.

we are going to cut taxes and increase, we will have a wonderful november. wonderful november. this is an interesting piece ult mountainly winning the presidency. reflecting 50 years outside of the date none of us around back then. joining us from cleveland. i want to talk to kevin. i want to give him some

includes. the democrats had a total majority for a whole year put in front of the senate and house, cap and trade, until scott brown came into office. they accomplished nothing. the only way was by going to remembering sillwation at 51%. i want you to tell our republicans we are strong. we love you. you better get down to the counstution -- caller: i'm a sales man and a tea partier. host: why are you? guest: i'm so tired of both sides. host: what do you sell? caller: medical capital

equipment. jean makes a good point. it makes sense that she is a salesman. she could probably do a better job of arguing with maria than i can. they haven't adequately paid attention to the tea party.

we came here in 1994 as the party of ideas and reform and didn't live up to it long enough. that is the stainl for the last estimated 3,000 jobs estimated 3,000 jobs >> maryland has gone through some of the same big issues

because of the recession i think what he has done is really tried to look at that deficit. there are times you have to raise taxes. what you want are leaders who are going to give it to you straight they will fix tha budget deficit for years to come. all you have to do is cut spending and programs. that's how you can fix budget deficits. what oweali is going to be doing and any governor in this positions to talk about with the reality an programs in place to fix in 2009.

you have the smallest tax bill americans have seen in over 60 years. they are the lowest they have been in over 50 years. guest: he's got the fundamental world view. you cannot help the wage earners in this country by smothering or punishing the

wage payers what you are doing is suffocating the growth. what happens is that the democrat also go out and derive tea partiers as foaming at the mouth and not understanding how the tax bills are really low. i feel confident we are in a good place, come any election. about going back and talking about the bush administration and blaming the past republican congresses. when you are constantly looking back and pointing fingers, i think it will hold you

accountable they have to do with wearnt they have the alternatives ordeas to move the country forward. before, it was a little known congressman from wisconsin. how we would govern all those folks that could ee merge. guest: fir of all, it's a myth that democrats do not help with businesses. in addition to 2009 being the

lowest tax year in depenl. president obama's plan focused on cutting taxes and giving them incentives. that has worked very well in terms of job creation. secondly, we are more than willing to take to the american people, our ideas. we are focused on investments and clear energy and healthcare. yes, making sure that we continue on the right path of this economy, which was a mess when we came into office. and saying this has to talk sound like nails on a chalk board i have some issues with

kevin madden. he's trying to sa trying toay t are trying to paint the republicans as a party of no. republicans as a party of no. they are the party of no. they have said no to absolutely everything that president obama has tried to do. if he would take into consider ation. president obama had to come in and clean up all this mess coming out to say that rush

limbaugh is not the head of the republican party and that they do not go along with all the hate that he spews when we try to put all republicans in a hateful place and against what everybody is for. that's where most republicans are right now. speaking about being a party of no. disagree that when they try to paint us as a party of nain

they said no to a trillion dollar healthcare bill and bail outs. they said no to spending, no to growth of government. we all agree that the party and elector rat is angry. they are yelling yes andaying no. what i would argue is without the party of no is that we would align ognselves host: jackie, stay on the line, if you would. piths, i want to show you from about a week ago from utah. mitt romney supporting bob bennett who lost in his bid to get the republican nomination. we'll just show the video.

rebuilding requires going out and helping the parties. sominaody that he he worked ver hard. is that the version. if you look at 2012, it is going to be a contest of individuals whether or not that means this is a person that leads this country. 2012 is going to be about big things i think those are the

big issues. i really tend to be bored with the whole endorsement game. one of these thingshere we keep score inside the beltway. the biggest challenge it is becoming a smaller party. the conservatives are making sgne that the republican party is making sure that they talk to a smaller elector rat. you look at arizona and the fact that the rpewublicans are zero senators on boferede. it is the reason why we have ari rana and other states. if we could get half of the

senators on board, we could get this by next we fr. we have mccain and grant. they are not going to go to the republican party any time in the near future. they are the biggest gronal factor. if rpewublicans don't find a wa to bring them in to the party, they are done. in late august, we are talking about the republican primary on not goesdacto our last cault from pittsburgh, good morning.

people in ari rana are scared. when we need is a complete audit of every government agency we dourt have the monect agency we dourt have the monect this doesn't make sense if we get millions of illegals allowed to stay here. i lived in washington state for 14 years. i've been upset since 2000. i'm glad republicans are the psh rty of now. host: let me ask you a question. primary day on tuesday. a lot of attention on the

district. also the senate race. what is g atng to happen? guest: i didn't like inspector as a republican or a democrat. and i hope these pmiple up there, the democrats in pennsylvania are not the democrats in califor froa. if you talk to them, my congressman is a democrai di ihingte called him several time abt nancy pelosi. they don't like her. i don't want this state to becomeike california. these pmipleown there. if they keep voting these same people in all the time, they are in deep trouble in california the healthcare bill, when you see what they are

d atng. you can't make sense talk about jerry handering. >> that's one of the problems across the boardhen you are talking about the etorremes of the parties or the middle because of so many years of redistricting, you have these districts more engineers toward electing the extreme parties that's one of the reasons why the middle doesn't seem to be having its way in terms of the

healthcare bill, you have -- no one is gooding to be taking away medicare benefits. we are g atng to make sure ther is no fraud you will be getting 30 million americans who don't have healthcare to be able to have healthcare you have children who can now not be denied coverage because a preexisting condition. they will look at the democratic party. nancy pelosi will go down in history as one of the greatest speakers ever because she was able to get healthcare done. american people understand tt this is something that needed to get done.

>> i think jackie's point is that government has become too eyig. we spend more and more tax dollars sent to washington from pittesdgngh and elsewhere aroun the country so it can get even bigger that is a real big worrcto gal lop just came out with a poll the other day. poll the other day. six of the seven top issues at a time when washington continues to spend money as if it is growing on trees. that is really driving frustration out there. this has become a canyon.

>> tomorrow on "washington journal," lawrence yun discusses a decline in foreclosures for the first time in five years. a representative from the chamber of commerce talks about strengthening small business. and our correspondent george wilson looks at defense spending and what programs they be cut. "washington journal," clyburn morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. next, "q&a