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speeches from in the venice -- the nevada saturday -- the nevada senate race. >> this week, our guest is jose ramos with univision. he hosts a nightly newscast as well as a son the public affairs program. he is also where the author of two books, including an immigrant manifesto. >> jorge ramos, in your book, to lead off with the prologue that says that you do not feel at home, never. anywhere. >> when they ask me where i live, i say that i am mostly on
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the earth do we a newscast or i am traveling all around the world. my family lives in mexico city. i have very good friends all over the united states. my daughter is in paris. another daughter is in los angeles. i do not have a home. maybe my home, my only home, was where i was born in mexico city, and it is the house that i lived in for almost 20 years, and i can remember the address and phone number, and that is the only time in my life when i have felt at home, and now, in the united states, this country has given me opportunities that my country could not give me, but, still, i have the sense of i am an immigrant, and i feel like an immigrant 27 years after getting to the united states. i still feel like i am an immigrant.
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there is no home for me anymore. >> why did you become a citizen? >> it was important for me to participate fully in this country. it is a wonderful country. this country would treat other immigrants like me, and the millions of immigrants who came up to me, it is truly amazing, and i was born the year "a nation of immigrants" was written, and with the wonderful ideas -- of course, he was killed in 1963, but in 1965, with the immigration act, everything changed, and because of that, because of john f. kennedy and "a nation of immigrants," i wanted to participate fully, and i was very concerned about the war.
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my children were born in this country, and i wanted to be fully part of the united states. this has been a wonderful, generous, and magnificent country for me, and i wanted to be part of it. >> those who do not speak spanish and who do not watch univision -- lately, you have been appearing on other networks. where do they see you every night? >> i am on at 6:30 nationwide, and it goes not only to the united states but also 13 latin- american countries, and then on sunday morning, i have a political talk show, so they can see me sundays or every night at 6:30, competing with the networks, but what is interesting, when i first arrived in the united states in 1983, there were only about 15 million latinos in this country, and right now, there are 50 million latinos. the census has confirmed this.
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right now, in many cities, like miami and los angeles and new york, chicago, our newscasts in spanish get better ratings and have more audience than the english-language newscast, so something is changing in this country. the latinos will become the majority in this country. we will not be here, brian, but in 100 years from now, the latinos will be the majority. it is changing everything, from the way we talk to the way we dance to the way we eat to the way we do politics. without the latino vote, no one can make it to the white house, so everything has been changed. >> i counted about 64 affiliates. is that number close? >> owned and operated, less than that. >> how many people watch you at
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6:30? >> over 2 million people. we are the fifth largest network in the united states, and people do not realize that, and in the mornings, sunday mornings, maybe about 1 million people. >> there was a time when another person ran univision, and several people have run it. who owns it now? >> it is a new group. it is in charge. there is a group of investors who trust in us, and i think they believe in us. we are going to keep on going. what is so interesting is that while the networks constantly complain about their declining ratings, we are going exactly the opposite way. now, with the world cup, we had a game recently with mexico playing against uruguay, and more than 9 million people
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tuned in, so something is changing in this country, something magnificent going on in this country, and not only are there more immigrants coming in, and most of them speak spanish, but we latinos love each other so much that we tend to have more children, three children per family, in comparison to about two children per family for the rest of the american families. >> all right, what does that mean? the person who runs and owns the company, univision, born in alexandria, egypt, moved to israel, moved to france, moved into the united states, who is the mighty power ranger that he developed years ago, a very active democrat in the country, a big supporter of bill clinton, now owns the spanish- speaking network, does it mean anything? >> it means that this country is
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based on the acceptance of immigrants. this country is based on diversity, and this country promotes creativity, and what a wonderful experiment. when he was in this country, he was amazed by realizing that it does not matter where you come from. there is a sense of equality, so it is his story and my story and millions of stories that once you come to this country, everyone is equal. hundreds of years ago with the declaration of independence, we were promised that all men are created equal, and we can say all men and women are created equal.
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unfortunately, things are changing. i just came back from south africa, covering the world cup, and i was amazed and surprised to see how in only 16 years, south africans not only have put aside -- they have progressed incredibly against discrimination and segregation. when i came back, and when you see what is going on in arizona, you realize that they are going in exactly the opposite direction of south africa. i am not saying that the majority of people in arizona, for instance, want to create something, but what i am seeing in arizona and other parts of the country, the way they treat immigrants, it resembles shamefully the worst in south africa. >> "therefore, for me, united states is an odorless country, neutral, and so, my nose is pointed always to mexico." >> i felt exactly the same way. there are anecdotal stories to that. i have broken my nose three times. i cannot smell at all, and so, i will never forget, i will
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never forget that i was born in mexico. i am teaching my children to respect the roots, their history. i am incredibly proud of being a u.s. citizen and having been born in mexico. a few years ago, i was talking to a writer from chile, and she was telling me that for many years, she was having these conflicts. she did not know if she was from chile or if she was from the united states. she felt that she needed to choose, and then, 9/11 came, and she realized she did not have to choose, that she could be at the same time from the united states and from chile. i do not have to choose. i can be from both, and i am very proud to be from both countries.
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>> "dying to cross," which was written after the victoria, texas, where the 19 people died? >> 19 people died trying to get into the united states. >> you are writing this, the mexican government has never under any administration made any type of serious effort to stop the flow of undocumented immigrants to the north, never. that is because it was not and is not in the country's best interest. the main focus of president vincente fox's electoral campaign was about crossing the border illegally, but the end result was nothing more than thousands of posters which were printed up and tacked on electricity poles and bus station walls all along the border. >> the mexican government is not interested in stopping mexicans from coming to the
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united states. as long as there are mexicans making $5 per day, and where they can make that same amount of money in just half an hour or an hour, they will keep on coming. in mexico, just to keep up with the new workers coming into the job market, they would have to create about 1 million jobs per year, and they are creating 100,000, so what is happening to the 900,000 mexicans, the young, creatiave, powerful mexicans, who do not have a job? they come to the united states. on average, there is about 450,000 immigrants coming into the united states illegally every single year, and they are coming because there are jobs for them, so it is an economic problem for all.
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it is an economic problem and requires an economic solution. mexico right now, and i have to say that, is not interested in stopping that, because what are they going to do with these 900,000 new workers every single year without a job? i am sorry. it is something that has to be dealt with with both governments. the united states thinks that they can do with immigration alone, by themselves. it is not possible. they have to deal with mexico on this issue. >> you have had lively discussions from time to time. here is a little bit of a lively excerpt from lou dobbs, back and forth, which happened after lou dobbsleft cnn. >> i mentioned what word? >> president barack obama, john mccain, newt gingrich, they have stopped using the word
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"illegal immigrants" or "illegals." can you change that now? >> i do not see the point. i do not see the point. please, listen to me, jorge. i want to have a conversation. >> i am giving you the argument. >> i want to talk to jorge ramos. i do not need you to be a mouthpiece on other points of view. i bring you mine, you bring me yours. >> you are calling them illegal, but you do not call the american companies who have hired them -- >> i have said all along that the illegal employer is the central issue in this entire mess. >> yes, but you do not call them illegal. >> yes, i call them illegal. i call them illegal employers, and i am not rolling over to play games here. i am taking on the power
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structure. >> where did that happen? >> he had left cnn, and we were doing this interview for our sunday morning talk show "al punto." i think this is a double standard when we call illegal immigrants undocumented aliens, and we do not realize the thousands of american companies are hiring them. what is interesting is, i understand that if you are unemployed in this country, there are 15 million people who are not employed. they are concerned that if we legalize 11 million undocumented people, they might lose their jobs, or they might
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not have a chance to get a new job. the reality is that all immigrants contribute more to the economy of this country than what they take away from it, and immigrants pay taxes, they create jobs, and they do not take away jobs from american citizens. i have not seen thousands or millions of americans going to the farm fields in california or in texas and florida, picking up tomatoes and oranges. these were built by undocumented immigrants. it was harvested by undocumented immigrants, so i think it is a double standard to call them illegals. something really interesting is that president barack obama
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currently makes an effort not to call them "illegal immigrants." i never call them illegal. >> yes, and i just want to find out what the definition was. i got on the internet, wikipedia, and i want to read you what they say, and i want to try to find out why this is so offensive. an alien who is present in a country, which is foreign to him or her, unlawfully, is known as an "illegal alien of the country." an illegal alien commonly refers to a national in a country unlawfully, either by entering at a place other than a designated port of entry or as the result of an expiration of a
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non-immigrant visa. what is so offensive about somebody who is in that category being called "illegal"? >> even benjamin franklin was concerned that the united states, and especially philadelphia, would be germanized the same way people think the united states is being latinized. with this discussion on immigration, respectively changing the words -- i mean, if we're able to change the words, and when you are saying "illegal," brian, many people think you're talking about terrorists and criminals, and that is what we have to change. most undocumented immigrants are not criminals or terrorists, and when people realize that immigrants create jobs, they pay taxes, they do not take away jobs -- the justice department in a recent study concluded that despite the fact
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that the immigrant population has more than doubled in the last decade, crime has gone down 35% when it comes to violent crimes, 25% when it comes to robberies. crime has gone down 13% in some states, but in the other 31 states, crime went down less, so even in arizona, the fbi concluded that crime has been going down, so what i am saying is immigrants create jobs, and what i am saying is the more immigrants that you have, the less crime that you have. once you understand that, i think it will be easy to understand why we are so offended sometimes when people call them "illegals," because when you use the word "illegals," i think people think you mean criminals. barack obama, john mccain, and newt gingrich are not using the word. >> is there any other country in the world that would let,
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pick your number, 11 million, 12 million people who are not documented go into their country? >> yes. >> there are? >> the united nations recently published a report of 35 million, and we have only 11 million of them. probably, the percentage of immigrants in this country are foreign-born, it would be about 14% at this point, so, yes, we are talking about 35 million immigrants. >> i want to get to how you are thinking. i have heard them, americans here are very much in favor of people from outside of here or certainly people from mexico or
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anywhere, hispanic, but what they really do not like is the fact that they are not here with documents. i mean, is it possible, because this thing gets so emotional, that people have a legitimate reason for not wanting people here that are not documented? >> i understand, and i think we can all agree that the immigration system is broken. we can all agree that nobody wants or likes undocumented immigration, not even undocumented immigrants, especially undocumented immigrants. i think we can all agree that the u.s. government should not separate families and that it is impossible to deport 11 million undocumented immigrants, and also, i think we can all agree that the united states has the right to protect its borders, and i perfectly understand that, but we also have to understand that they are here not only because they wanted to come here, they are here because thousands of american companies need them,
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hired them, and because millions of americans are taking advantage of their work, so i think it is a double standard and hypocritical to criticize undocumented immigrants and at the same time benefit from them. many of the people are being benefited every single day by their presence in this country. we have to do something. it is incredible, but the most powerful country in the world is persecuting and discriminating 11 million people, going against the principles of the declaration of independence. >> you had a little back and forth with a gentleman named hugo chavez. >> yes. >> i want to show a video of you on a univision newscast. it shows your position on chavez. how do you pronounce that? not pronouncing the "h."
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>> [speaking spanish] >> [speaking spanish] >> [speaking spanish] >> [speaking spanish] [dialog in spanish] >> it is the documentary playing in this town right now, by oliver stone, and he says he loves the guy. and you hear a lot of americans, not a lot, you hear americans say what a great president this guy is.
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>> it is a documentary playing in this town right now, by oliver stone, and he says he loves the guy. you hear a lot of americans, not a lot, you hear americans say what a great president this guy is. >> he is not a democrat, and that is the problem. it is that simple. president hugo chavez, right now, he has concentrated all of the power in venezuela. he controls the congress. he controls the supreme court. he controls the electoral body who organizes the election. he controls the army. he controls the electoral body. he controls most of the media. that is not a democracy. >> do the public like him? >> he has been able to win many elections, and it is not only very corrupt, but it is an authoritarian government, and he has won elections because the political competition and
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disappeared, basically, because he sometimes does not allow candidates to participate in elections. >> you have a sense why somebody like oliver stone would like him, admire him? >> it is interesting. it is fantastic just to talk to hugo chavez or with fidel castro. they are interesting people, but you cannot get away from the fact that they are dictators. >> i want to read back something that you wrote about interviewing. "when i interview a president or people with lots of power, i especially like to imagine them with their big bellies and their backaches, bags under their eyes, balding, with hair
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coming out of their ears, and fingernails that have not been cut. in other words, i like lowering them to a manageable and realistic level. if you let them stand on their unprecedented, superhuman laurels, you would never have a good interview?" i wonder what i should do to interview you. >> the most important mission of a journalist, the most important mission in journalism is to confront those who are in power, to question those who are in power so that we can prevent abuse of power. who is going to ask those questions to fidel castro and to hugo chavez? for that matter, to any president? to ask the tough questions. of course, if you go to venezuela, the second or third time that i talked to hugo chavez, i went to caracas to
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talk to him, and he did not want to talk to me in venezuela. so we went to the border with colombia, so i had to take another flight, an airplane that almost fell because we almost had an accident, and when he decided to talk to me, he was surrounded by hundreds of people, so whenever i was asking a question, i was booed, and whenever he was answering, he was getting applause from all of the people. the authoritarian president of venezuela. i would have to think of hugo chavez as just a human being who is sometimes insecure and who has kids, in order just to have a conversation. otherwise, i would not be able to ask a single question. >> which american president, and you have interviewed almost all of the big names, which is the hardest to interview, to get them to say anything, or the toughest interview -- well,
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we would just say tough? which one? you have done president obama, john mccain. >> all u.s. presidents. it is always difficult to go to the white house and confront the president. it is never easy. >> why? >> it is the most powerful man in the world, and it does not matter that you knew them during the campaign. once you go to the white house, and you talk to them in the white house, it is a different story. it does not matter that you might have had a good conversation with them during the campaign. i spent a lot of time with george w. bush on a train in california when he was campaigning, and he was a very different person when he was in the white house. >> how?
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>> the power gets to them, and they are completely isolated. they lose touch with reality very, very fast. they tend to forget their promises very fast. and i have noticed in all u.s. presidents, there is a suddenness, when they have the lives of other people in their hands, making the decision to go to war, but when you talk to barack obama, it has been a heavy, heavy weight on both of them. you can have a great conversation with george w. bush or barack obama on
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anything, and we can discuss immigration or the economy, but when it comes to war, their faces changed completely, and you notice honestly a sadness, and there are things that they tend to tell you, but you just have to say "war," and they change. it is completely different. it is something i do not think they realize. that sense of history, and really being responsible for the deaths of other people, i have never seen it anywhere else, not with any other foreign leader. it is not the same. with u.s. presidents, it is completely different. it is very different to be the
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dictatorship, but it was. imagine growing up in a government like that. that would not allow me to say anything critical of the president, so i was 23 or 24. there were two members of opposition party, and they did not allow me to run the reports. they said, you cannot use them. instead of being critical of the president, you have to say he is a great president. i quit. i was very young and idealistic.
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i had to thousand dollars, got accepted at ucla, and came there. >> you have been to 38 countries. any of those ever sensor your work? >> i am sure they do. it is funny right before the elections they do not run our newscasts, and there are many times that somebody decides each of you and simply do not run it. it happens all the time. even now it happens all the time, so i am used to that. what is so wonderful about the united states? i have never seen a country that has such a fantastic openness. it is something you would not see in almost any other country
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in the world. >> why you think that is? >> as a journalist, it is such a privilege, and to be a country in which it is that to criticize your government. they were discussing openly for how many hours? six hours? the same day i was talking to desmond tutu, and we were talking about an experiment in democracy. the situation in which the president would be confronted by millions of people by the
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official party, and nothing happened. they go back to their home, and nothing happened. in other countries, you would have a military coup, but nothing happened. it is a wonderful and marvelous experiment. >> the argument is they are not opene enough, and we would like to be more open, but still it is fantastic if you compare it to other places. in great britain, the political culture is different, and it is almost obligated for politicians, but i am still amazed by what i can see in the united states. >> you talk about your
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children, and you mention a girlfriend. >> i have two kids. i am divorced, and i am 52. agai>> the kids are doing what? >> my daughter is doing an internship at the european union. i think she wants to get into politics or journalism, and nicholas is 12. for many years he wanted to be a soccer player, and in the middle of the world cup, you can understand that if you have spent time watching the game, i do not know, but hopefully, neither one of them are going to. >> where do you live? >> nicholas lives in miami, and she lives in paris during an
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internship. >> this new manifesto, at the back, you name great latino pioneers, and i want to go through them and have you tell us why. >> cesar chavez is the one who gave up the fans' talk -- gave us the fantastic sense of the importance of being latino and being proud of our roots, and he is the one who fought for latino rights and immigrant rights before anyone else, and there is no question that because of him, i am here, and there is no question that now we can savy no one can make it to the white house will of the hispanic vote. >> he died when?
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early 1990's? >> yes. >> his job at the end was what? >> i think the most important thing when i think of cesar chavez, i think of latinos and immigrant rights as a civil- rights issue. i think when we think of him, we would not be here, we would not have progress so much without cesar chavez. that was his main job. >> remember that barack obama used to say, yes, we can. it was pylorus -- i was having a conversation. >> where is she now? >> she is still working with immigrants in california. she is the one who started this, yes, we can. after the nomination, she went
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in support of barack obama. >> did barack obama get the slogan from her? >> yes, he did. she did not know that. >> julien samarra -- samorra. >> he was a professor in the southwest. he was the first -- one of the first to denounce discrimination of latinos. i remember when he was saying, he remembers reading signs that would say, no latinos allowed. when you have that kind of experience and go through the most difficult times in the united states for minorities, and that is an example. >> he was the university of
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notre dame professor, and he is no longer alive. >> yes. >> i do not know how to say this next one. >> if we put everyone together -- cesar chavez, and you are going to find right now the father of all latinos, he has been fighting for a latino rights, even today. >> the you know him? >> yes. he has been important to me and many latinos. because of him, we remember we are part of the country, but we
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can maintain an element of our latino culture. >> the final name is cisneros. >> not only did i work for him, but let me tell you, i am completely convinced -- it is simply a matter of months. there are more latinos and african american, and the african americans already have their first president. we should have our first president. we all thought we were going to have the first hispanic president, and he has been fighting for a hispanic rights and opening up possibilities. he is probably the first politician that opened of the possibility of having a hispanic president. >> what happened? why will he be? >> he just did not continue in
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politics, but his presence is being felt even now. >> he had a mistress and all that. is that fair? >> i do not even think that. i think he would have been a fantastic president. >> he's still around. >> i do not think he is running for office any more. he would have been a wonderful person, but now we are thinking about a new generation. the son of former gov. jeb bush. now there are great young possibilities for our first hispanic president. >> i have to in it the most unusual thing i read about in your background is proust. where did you come across him?
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>> it has to do with my notes. i was born in 1958, and back then -- maybe it was the same thing in the united states, but the medical fashion was to have -- [unintelligible] so i was pulled in through my notes. my mom thinks i was actually pulled into life, and she still remembers having a huge scar for many years, so little by little, i started losing my sense of smell.
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i always had a crooked nose, and i had three surgeries to try to correct that, and i broke it again playing basketball, and they broke it again. my sense of smell is incredibly limited, so marcel proust in his novel when he was talking about that and how the smell would bring his five -- bring him back to his usyouth, sometimes that s what i feel. when i smell the grass, it brings me back to mexico, to when i was five or six or seven. >> did you read all seven volumes? in college or what? >> it was in college, but that image was so wrapped -- apt to
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my nose. >> you also talk about toqueville. >> sometimes -- on the fourth of july, i was in washington and new york. just imagine de toqueville going to see the fireworks in washington or new york. what a wonderful experience, and the same idea. what he was impressed with in this country was the quality. it is essentially the same thing i see right now.
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the fact that barack obama, an african american, made into the white house, is the basic idea we have that anything is possible in this country, and i am another example. >> we see members of congress on the floor and in committees speaking english. mr. villard of florida -- i think he is retiring, but you interviewed him in spanish. [speaking spanish] [applause]
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cup three univision. you might think it is a completely different game, and you might think it is a completely different year, because the way we express our emotions in spanish is completely different than the announcers on espn, but the fact is going beyond that, the u.s. is the largest spanish-speaking country and the world with the exception of mexico. they are going to be the majority eventually, so i am not saying that we are becoming of bilingual country, but i am saying already in parts of the united states, it is already a bilateral country in that part of our culture is just to have another language. this is only the country and -- only country in the world that people have obtained that we speak spanish or french or other languages.
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now in other countries, that is excepted. -- accepted. yes, the motions are different, but it was with the debate on immigration, and most members of congress of hispanic heritage speaks spanish fluently. >> what is the difference between a cuban american and mexican americans? why is one often more conservative? >> it is very simple. the cuban americans have been very successful in presenting the point of view in washington. they know how washington works, and they have been able to protect people coming from cuba, so if you are a cuban, and you get into the united states, and you are able to touch u.s.
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territory, you can stay here legally, but if you are a mexican during the same thing, you are going to be detained and deported. >> what the think about that? >> it would be great if mexicans could have the same rights. it is a difficult situation because cubans are escaping from a dictatorship, and most mexicans and central americans are coming for economic reasons. i think the united states has the right to protect its borders, but we have to change the immigration system. it is not working. it is not right that some have certain rights of others are different. i understand why cubans are doing it. i am in favor of protecting both. >> you lived among a lot of cubans. >> my son and my daughter have cuban blood in their veins, so of course. >> from their mother?
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>> from their mother. >> here is the opposite with you interviewing an english-speaking member of parliament. >> with my accent. [speaking spanish] >> no, they do not. [inaudible] >> why do you think john boehner did this? >> they need latinos. the republican party has to make peace with latinos and immigration. if they do not, they are going to lose the election after election. it is that simple.
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where is john mccain now? i interviewed him once in september, 2008, and back then, he told me he was in favor of this issue, and now he is running a tough primary, so are they not god's children any more? when we need republicans, president barack obama cannot do it alone. the republican party does not make peace on other issues, they are going to lose done, and they are going to lose the power for many generations from now. they used to say all latinos are republicans. they just do not know that,
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because latinos tend to be more conservative. they are against abortion, very suspicious of big government, so in terms of value, latinos are very concerned. >> you have several quotes, and this is the last of five very good -- of 5. barack obama, 2007. the time to fix our broken immigration system is now. what did you think? >> it was not only a good speech. it was a great speech. >> it is not a matter of blood or birth. it is a matter of faith, a matter of fidelity for the shared values we all hold so dear. that is what makes us unique.
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that is what makes us so strong. anybody can help us write the great chapter of our history. we cannot forget this process of immigration has often been painful. each new wave of immigrants has generated fear and resentment toward newcomers, particularly in times of economic upheaval. >> that was when he was running for the white house. he told me in an interview that he was going to have an immigration bill during his first year in office. 18 months later, nothing has happened. president obama broke his promise. it is that simple. the speech was fantastic, but we need action. he could have stopped the deportation of students.
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he could have stopped the deportation of the parents of u.s. students -- citizens. he could have presented his own immigration bill, as he promised, and he did not, so the time for speeches is over. we need action. >> a question to you about being in journalism and why you pick sides, and i want to read the excerpts. neutrality helps the oppressor -- why do you take sides on the issue? >> i think it is valid -- every single night i am not supposed
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to, and i will not give my opinion, because death is not my role. i was not hired to give my opinion, and i will not give my opinion as a journalist. at the same time, people realize that you and i have opinions, and i have the privilege of being an immigrant with a voice, because i invited -- and invited to programs like yours, and there are millions of immigrants who do not have a voice, so as an immigrant, i think i have to take sides. i have to take sides with those immigrants that came behind me. sometimes it is giving voice to the voiceless, so as an immigrant and a journalist, i
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think i have not only the right but the duty. >> how many books have you written? >> sen. >> which ones? >> i wrote to my children about three years ago, and that was the most personal and the one that sold the most. >> was this in hardback? >> it was written in spanish originally, and now it is available, and hopefully, we will not need this book two years from now. it is calling for action. hopefully we will get immigration reform in the next two years, and we will not need a book like that. >> you can was set at 6:30, east coast time. is it repeated? >> yes. >> we thank you very much for joining us. >> this was wonderful to be a
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will to talk. -- to be able to talk. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2010] >> for a dvd copy of this program, calle. for free transcripts or to give your comments about this program, visit us at q &a.org. it is also available as c-span podcast. >> up next, british prime minister david cameron at weekly question time in the house of commons. that is followed by the address of the united nations by queen elizabeth ii. and we look of the nevada senate race with michael steele and the
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republican candidates as well as harry reid at the campaign even to with president obama. monday on "washington journal," a look at the week ahead with the chief capitol hill correspondent for "the capital examiner." then a discussion on unemployment with young adults. after that, a liggett lobbyists roles in shaping the financial reform bill currently in congress with steven brill, and as always, your calls, e-mails, and tweets, here on c-span. >> this week, on-line safety and the cable industry in europe. monday night on c-span
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